My main reason for interest in recovery operation , equipment , and technique is that i got my tractors three times stuck in the bush ,and that was before TH-cam .TH-cam provide this good video - th-cam.com/video/_4tI3HtgdCY/w-d-xo.html, th-cam.com/video/ampWzHMez28/w-d-xo.html My interesting the Scammell recovery tractor goes back to old steam tractor plow - th-cam.com/video/CACHjIGH3kQ/w-d-xo.html , the Scammell recovery Lorry use the same type of winching rather than the normal drum type winch.
Pete Also saw NO hard hat's, no British Government safely organization back then, to save your poor smashed brains, if one of those heavy, even small hand held tools hits you in face.
I don't envy that situation, trying to make the cheapest most durable means. "Don't let the ramp fall or you will need a crane" 😳. I did enjoy the "flat foot" part, nice to join the ranks of those who laughed at that.
What happens if the terrain is not level or dry , also when the driver gets back into the tractor to run the winch who turns the crank to start the engine . It would make more sense to send 3 or 4 guys to repair the tank or send another tank to tow it back to a repair facility .
I am surprised that they don't have a A-Frame so to speak ( sky hook) that can come up by winch power. Just saying with all this other heavy haul manual labor intensive work. The boom seems to be straight out of bed of front truck( what ever British call front truck) why they did not make them lower to ground on trailer All heavy hauls are ( low boys) but I was not even though about being born when they made this so what do I know about British heavy hauls recovery. Interesting to watch from back then.
Even back then WTF can't people back them up into position.Try backing up a old TJ skidder bucket and trailer,it's a lot harder to do than that stupid little trailer. On the TJ skidder bucket you had to keep an eye on the boom that stuck out over the front as it would go the opposite direction you want to turn.Then the trailer was another trick and you had to keep an eye on all of it. Once you done it awhile it was easy.....and the steering on the TJ was stick,not a big steering wheel...lol How about farmers that have balers and wagons...... Hell of a lot of work detaching that trailer (even though it's a pintle hitch)and then reattaching it to the front,then detaching and reattaching it to the rear.......must be a Britts "better idea" like that recovery SNAFU along with the "NCO" standing beside the winch cables under load...especially that kinked (damaged) cable.
By following these simple 564 back breaking and dangerous steps, you may or may not survive loading the casualty. Talk about over complicated engineering.
Fascinating film. Thanks for uploading. I can imagine there were a lot of black thumb nails with all that lot going on. I'm curious about two of the recoveries though.. What's the reasoning behind passing the cables under the 'casualty' and hooking them to the rear of it? Not seen that done before.
The hooks on the casualty do not close around the cable eyes, and are open at the top. If you tow from the front, the tow cables can pop out of the hooks under the slight upward pull. By passing the lines under, then up to the hooks, you ensure the pull is down, away from the open top. Additionally, the strain is placed on the body of tge tow hook where its connected to the main body of the casualty, otherwise you put all the strain on the flange/tip of the hook, where its weaker.
@@Andy-qo7dj I feel sure the troops dojng an actual field recovery in deep mud instead of conveniently flat, clean concrete greatly enjoyed the process.
@@MGower4465 It'll also help to lighten the front of the vehicle as it's being winched to aid in getting it up the ramps. My father was a tank mechanic (M48) from '57 to late 60's and was on a M88 tank retriever once they were issued into service.Once out of the Army he spent the next 40 yrs as a heavy equipment mechanic for a very large road construction company as their #1 field mechanic.He's worked in everything from -50*F to 100+*F rain,snow,sleet,shine,wind so he must not have minded to much...lol
“Removing the trailer is quick and easy” takes 4 guys, tools, and 20 minutes! Whoever designed this thing should have been charged as a war criminal! Imagine trying to do this with people trying to kill you!
The same arrogance that allows me to watch TV in the UK without paying 159£ per year (216$ us) You see a Captain writing on a board in the film. Not in a million years, trust me that would have been a SGT or a Corporal giving that lecture.....but in every one of these instructional videos the Officers get off their backsides and muscle in on the 'filmstar for a day'. They disgust me.....but they save me a lot of money.
Ten minutes? This looks like the best part of a weekend…
I freaking love these videos
My main reason for interest in recovery operation , equipment , and technique is that i got my tractors three times stuck in the bush ,and that was before TH-cam .TH-cam provide this good video - th-cam.com/video/_4tI3HtgdCY/w-d-xo.html, th-cam.com/video/ampWzHMez28/w-d-xo.html
My interesting the Scammell recovery tractor goes back to old steam tractor plow - th-cam.com/video/CACHjIGH3kQ/w-d-xo.html , the Scammell recovery Lorry use the same type of winching rather than the normal drum type winch.
Me too , Simple and efective
They are entertaining and informative .
Fifthwheel, you've come a long way, Baby.
Not a pair of gloves in sight, happy days
They didn’t have dirt or grease on the cables in those days.
Neither have to worry about broken strands of wire.
Yeah sure…….
Pete
Also saw NO hard hat's, no British Government safely organization back then, to save your poor smashed brains, if one of those heavy, even small hand held tools hits you in face.
My back is aching just watching these guys work.
Things certainly are a lot simpler these days.
Absolutely primitive technology !
I don't envy that situation, trying to make the cheapest most durable means.
"Don't let the ramp fall or you will need a crane" 😳.
I did enjoy the "flat foot" part, nice to join the ranks of those who laughed at that.
Meanwhile there is every possibility these soldiers are being shot at by the enemy
What happens if the terrain is not level or dry , also when the driver gets back into the tractor to run the winch who turns the crank to start the engine . It would make more sense to send 3 or 4 guys to repair the tank or send another tank to tow it back to a repair facility .
I'm sure the Engineers could cope, taking an operational tank (which could be miles away) out of service to rescue a disabled tank sounds implausible.
I am surprised that they don't have a A-Frame so to speak ( sky hook) that can come up by winch power. Just saying with all this other heavy haul manual labor intensive work. The boom seems to be straight out of bed of front truck( what ever British call front truck) why they did not make them lower to ground on trailer
All heavy hauls are ( low boys) but I was not even though about being born when they made this so what do I know about British heavy hauls recovery. Interesting to watch from back then.
Wonder if they actually ran from each position?
Even back then WTF can't people back them up into position.Try backing up a old TJ skidder bucket and trailer,it's a lot harder to do than that stupid little trailer. On the TJ skidder bucket you had to keep an eye on the boom that stuck out over the front as it would go the opposite direction you want to turn.Then the trailer was another trick and you had to keep an eye on all of it. Once you done it awhile it was easy.....and the steering on the TJ was stick,not a big steering wheel...lol
How about farmers that have balers and wagons......
Hell of a lot of work detaching that trailer (even though it's a pintle hitch)and then reattaching it to the front,then detaching and reattaching it to the rear.......must be a Britts "better idea" like that recovery SNAFU along with the "NCO" standing beside the winch cables under load...especially that kinked (damaged) cable.
Happy days when men where real men no soy boys 👍
By following these simple 564 back breaking and dangerous steps, you may or may not survive loading the casualty. Talk about over complicated engineering.
Fascinating film.
Thanks for uploading.
I can imagine there were a lot of black thumb nails with all that lot going on.
I'm curious about two of the recoveries though..
What's the reasoning behind passing the cables under the 'casualty' and hooking them to the rear of it?
Not seen that done before.
The hooks on the casualty do not close around the cable eyes, and are open at the top. If you tow from the front, the tow cables can pop out of the hooks under the slight upward pull. By passing the lines under, then up to the hooks, you ensure the pull is down, away from the open top. Additionally, the strain is placed on the body of tge tow hook where its connected to the main body of the casualty, otherwise you put all the strain on the flange/tip of the hook, where its weaker.
@Michael Gower That makes sense. I hadn't thought of it that way.
Thankyou so much for explaining.
Much appreciated
@@Andy-qo7dj I feel sure the troops dojng an actual field recovery in deep mud instead of conveniently flat, clean concrete greatly enjoyed the process.
@@MGower4465 It'll also help to lighten the front of the vehicle as it's being winched to aid in getting it up the ramps.
My father was a tank mechanic (M48) from '57 to late 60's and was on a M88 tank retriever once they were issued into service.Once out of the Army he spent the next 40 yrs as a heavy equipment mechanic for a very large road construction company as their #1 field mechanic.He's worked in everything from -50*F to 100+*F rain,snow,sleet,shine,wind so he must not have minded to much...lol
They did not mention use of the ground pins bastard things
This video demonstrates the use of ground pins - th-cam.com/video/9WP1vxNJGZY/w-d-xo.html
no health and safety in them days lol
“Removing the trailer is quick and easy” takes 4 guys, tools, and 20 minutes! Whoever designed this thing should have been charged as a war criminal! Imagine trying to do this with people trying to kill you!
What do call this - www.pinterest.ca/pin/863002347317524618/
You wouldn't get servicemen working like that now, too much like hard work
1943 ,, are you real….??
The same arrogance that allows me to watch TV in the UK without paying 159£ per year (216$ us) You see a Captain writing on a board in the film. Not in a million years, trust me that would have been a SGT or a Corporal giving that lecture.....but in every one of these instructional videos the Officers get off their backsides and muscle in on the 'filmstar for a day'. They disgust me.....but they save me a lot of money.
You strange little man.
Not the brightest sprocket in the gearbox either - changing 20 to 30 by rubbing out the 0 !
@@steveluckhurst2350 So where did you serve and when?
@@Pinzpilot101 salvation army. 1979 to 1991.
@@steveluckhurst2350 Me too 72-87 (in 82 they sent me as a missionary to South America).