Thank you from, Baja, Mexico. I have an 890R with 11000 miles. My chain is in great shape and glad to hear that yours lasted even longer. Good warning about the sprocket, though. No issues fir me so far. Nice report - gives me confidence about the bike's durability.
Greetings from the USA! Excellent 50,000km review, It's reassuring to see it. I own a 2020 KTM 790 Adventure R and have had a great experience so far. Zero issues and one recall for the brake spring. I also owned a Honda Magna in the past where my starter would stick and not work causing me to push start the bike so legendary reliability is not always the case. This is my first KTM and no complaints so far, I'm actually enjoying the brand and also lucky to have a dealer with great customer service, called Wooly's Cycle of Atlanta, a family-owned and operated. I would consider another KTM at this point and have considered the 890 as the next bike but might wait until 2023 since KTM tends to update models every two years. Congrats on the bike you ordered! Cheers!
On my Super Duke, I got the fork seal replaced under warranty, oil was all over the wheel and brake disk a couple of days after the first service. They had the seal in stock, but wanted me to wait almost three month for a workshop appointment. Not so funny, if you buy a new bike in June and cannot ride it from July to mid of October. Next time, if they don't have a seal for you, measure the inner and outer diameter and try to find a generic seal with the measurements, it should do the job on any bike?
Спасибо большое за отзыв! Это первый обзор этой модели, которая проехала 50000 км. Очень ценная информация! И большой плюс к надёжности этого мотоцикла именно от вас! Надеюсь КТМ не приносили вам чемодан с деньгами за этот отзыв! Будем ждать отзыв на 901 хаску) И да, привет из России! С Южного Урала!
Great video, it’s clear and very detailed👌 I absolutely loved my 2020 790 Adv R in the beginning, but unfortunately it turned into a bad ownership experience. First, there was no bike handover from the sales team, so I ended up taking the bike out of the dealership myself, which was really weird and disappointing, to me at least. Second, the clutch pack was replaced twice within the first year. First one was at 3,000kms, the second was at 11,000kms. I had to wait for 2 weeks without a bike for the ‘express’ order to arrive, because the dealership didn’t have any parts in stock, nor demo / courtesy bikes 🤯 Third, I kept getting endless errors on my TFT screen, ranging from key failure to ABS failure to TC failure - on & off-road. Love KTM as a brand, but I dislike their lack of after sales support. I definitely don’t see myself owning another KTM unless they truly change their approach.
That’s really bad. It shows again that a product is only as good as the aftersales support. I was waiting oncr six weeks for the head bearings of a 690 Enduro to be fixed - thats half of the riding season here! :-(
Muy buen video. Gracias por contar tu experiencia con la 790 Adv. Espero que la mía me dé tantas alegrías como te dio la tuya en 50Mil Km. Saludos desde Argentina 🇦🇷
@@octaviogomez5793 desde el punto de vista dinámico (el uso) es divina. Amo la moto. Llevo 5mil km y estoy enamorado de la moto. Lo que sí deja mucho que desear es la garantía de fábrica y además en caso de necesitar algo específico, no tienen repuestos, al menos en Argentina, y por lo que pude averiguar en la mayoría de los paises es igual. Venden y venden, pero después….
Once again, thanks for doing this. I think you’re assessments are highly credible. I had a 2018 Africa Twin, now I have a Himalayan, and I’m very happy, that doesn’t mean that I’m not looking forward to your next review
I have 2020 R model, zero issues so far, except for damage due to using it as big dirt bike. It's an incredible machine with a lot of tuning potential. I shaved 13kg off, which transformed it completely.
@@christopherocha2403 lipo battery, passanger pegs, Evap system, decat+light tailpipe, removed some plastic parts, narrower lighter wheels, 140mm enduro tire+Tubliss, rottweiler airbox, single caliper on the front with Brembo caliper and Brembo pump. I also did shock setting, replaced handlebar, replaced steering damper, added neckbrace, fuel pump shield and crank case saver, replaced seat with Rally. I spent mini fortune on this bike it seems, hope my wife would not realize ;-)
Excellent video, thank you! I have a 2019 ktm 790R, i have had some moisture in my tft and a few black outs and key failure notices.of course this happened after the warranty but the replacements do the same thing.lasr july my rear shock failed, it leaked, so i had to have it rebuilt at my cost. I only have 8,350 miles so I'm not too happy about this.I want a Norden 901 but have to sell my ktm, I know it's the same company but I love the looks of the husky! Thanks
Iv a 2020 790 r best bike Iv ever ridden. Just changed chain and sprockets 11k miles, slightly premature but also dropped a tooth to 15, much better for me.
Thanks for this review Kai-Uwe, I have ad no problem at all so far except from loosing one of the bolts for the gear shift linkage. A friend had to change the camshafts at only 30.000 Km's, but they covered this (by goodwill). Congrats to the 901 Norden deal, loo forward to see your videos on it. Are You using the Fujifilm XT for this video?
Yes, this was the first time I used the X-T4, with a brand new Samyang 2.0/12mm that I bought last week mainly for aurora pictures next week. It works nicely for video, except that did not hit the focus correctly in one scene. I forgot to mention that the sidestand bolt got loose once, so I almost lost it on a vacation trip. Sadly there is not the necessary torx in the tool set, so I used the next smaller one (whithout pulling too hard) and some loctite glue! :-)
Thank you for this great review. As far as tires are concerned, I cannot recommend the dunlop trailmax mission enough! If you can get them I would recommend them above everything else.
Thanks for the review Kai. You mentioned about changing the seat to the S seat. If we do that, what is the seat height? Can we get something closer to the 850 mm that is standard on the S model?
Thanks for doing this. I would be very happy with this reliability. The fork seals on my Africa Twin went in the first few months. It wasn’t a polite little dribble. Both seals went and the front of the bike was soaked. I had to replace the brake pads as well. Of course, it was not covered under warranty.
Thanks for this review. I have been researching what my next bike should be for both commuting and touring. I don't like the bigger bikes for weight issues and low speed mobility in the city so I have narrowed it down to KTM 790 or Suzuki V-strom 800 DE. I think after watching this I will take the plunge and go for the KTM when I am ready. I hope a I get a decent ownership experience like you have. Cheers!
I'm at same cross road. I'm chosing the Suzuki mainly due to reliability and parts availability especially here in Canada. And don't forget the insurance savings alone to go Suzuki pays half the payment
Been watching your vids since you had the CCM and am very interested to see your new bike (901) and how you get on with that and what mods you choose to do.
Thanks! I will probably not do many modification. With the mileage I am doing, I have never kept a bike for more than four, five seasons and learned that I will never get back that investment when I sell it. Also the Norden 901 seems quite complete. It has the low fender which I prefer (my personal opinion: a high fender looks silly on a 220kg bike that is never used like a sports enduro) and the auxiliary lights (good to be seen by other). I will remove the passenger handles because they collide with my Mosko Moto R80, but most likely keep the plastic carrier. The bike WILL get some sort of heated grips, so much is for sure. February, maybe...!
Excellent review and best wishes for your new Norden. You're a braver man than I to buy in the first year but that 890 engine is well proven at this stage.
Very informative review. I have a 2019 790 Adventure S and I love it. It has the same issues as your "R" but the bike is so much fun to ride. To me the fun factor is worth dealing with the couple of quirks. Have you considered Dunlop Trailmax Mission tires? I have them on my 790 and they have been great.
I also have the 790 adv S, I love it so far. I do have one problem, It drains the battery from time to time.. but other than that, its been great. I still have the stock tires, but I'll get new tires for next season. I need more offroad oriented tires, I'll look into the dunlop trailmax tires for sure
hmmm each video i watched pushes me away from KTM that i did want to buy for the same reasons. TBBs from video are way too unpredictable and or too early than Japanese bikes. :( I would love a KTM Duke 790 and still doing research
Listening to the mileage you reached and driving style, the Norden 901 is perfect. The Engine and electronics are mutch better than the 790. You wil like it, and you don’t need a smaler sprocket.
Excellent, superb review. You are an Ambassador. What seat height is your bike with the S seat? I am 1.72 tall, and just manage my 1290s with 1 foot down. What height are you and is this 790R ok to get a foot down? Thanks
I am 1.71m with a 74cm inseam, jeans length perferably 30". I got another video out (in German, it was a reaction to a discussion in a German group) about that.
@@masterpanda2975 Wenn du nicht gerade einen völlig ungewöhnlich proportierten Körperbau hast, also extrem (!) kurze Beine sollte die Höhe für dich überhaupt kein Problem sein! Ja, ich kann zum Beispiel kaum rückwärts rangieren, wenn ich auf dem Bike sitze, muss dann halt absteigen. Ja, ich muss ein bisschen gucken wie ich halte - neigt sich der Boden nach links muss der erste Gang schon drin sein wenn ich halte und das rechte Bein runter zum Boden. Und ja: manchmal klappt's nicht und das Bike fällt um. Aus Asphalt bisher nie, wenn dann nur wenn ich wirklich "offroad" bin, also zum Beispiel wenn ich irgendwelche Hinternisse umfahren muss. Bisher hab ich aber nie ein Problem gehabt es wieder hoch zu bekommen, auch nicht mit Gepäck drauf.
Hallo, Ik begrijp niet waarom (bij de meeste video’s over dit thema) toch steeds weer de (lichaam)lengte genoemd wordt. Dit heeft toch helemaal geen invloed op hoe je met je voeten aan de grond komt. Dit helpt je niet verder! Het heeft hoofdzakelijk te maken met de (binnen)lengte van je benen (inseam legs or jeans in inches/cm.) in combinatie met de hoogte én breedte van het zadel op de plek waar je zit. Kai-Uwe is een van hen die dit wél weet en ook benoemd 👌🏻👍 Ik kijk met vreugde uit naar de volgende revieuws over de Norden 901. Always ride safe and on top of your bike 😉 Vriendelijke groet uit Zuid-Limburg / Nederland 🙋♂️
40k kilometers on a set of chain and sprockets.... wow. That is crazy.... if definitely should have been replaced a lot sooner than that. For a person that does seem to ride quite a bit and have some technical knowledge you should know that 40k on one set that is insane.
31,000 km on mine, serviced at 937km, 4,000, 9500, 14,900, 25,000, 31,000, it's in the workshop right now getting the camshafts and followers replaced. These engines are a rubbish design and a terrible build quality. The cam lobes are soft, the cam follower is much narrower than the cam at 11mm wide and 7.5mm for the cam follower, their follower design increases the mechanical advantage of valve spring over the cam lobe. By comparison my Triumph's valve clearances never moved in 3 checks in 60,000 km.
I have never tried this! Actually I realize now that the bike never left Sweden, got it in 2019 and the Covid prevented all international travel. However even going down to the ferry in Malmö I am trying to avoid motorways, execpt first bit to get away from the well known roads around Stockholm and maybe at the rnd if time is an issue. Guess the helmet turbulences would get very tiring. The 901 seems to be a bit better in that respect and if I take her down to Germamy and Slovenia this summer I’ll use a helmet without shield.
@@sergebinder9363 By far too small tank. For getting the 901 I sold my scrambler Icon, same engine and tank as the desert sled. The yellow light went to at 200km, which is ok if I'm somewhere around Stockholm, but for going far north this is by far too little. Last summer I missed one gas station on the TET in Lappland. Next one was about 50km away, no problem I thought, I am not going back now. Unfortunately the next one was closed down. So I had another 50km to Karesuando and made it there with a mere 2l left, 460km overall distance. I ever trust the meter 100%, preferably I am filling up around 300km. ;-)
Those larger KTMs are great bikes but very pricey at the garage, not unlike similar BMWs. Arguably worth investing in high quality DIY tools. I heard someone describe Ferrari as a finance company that specialises in cars; I'm wondering whether KTM is turning into the motorcycle equivalent...
Great to see them getting to those types of mileage without major issue. I take it you had no report of cam lobe wear during your major service? I have just bought a 2019 790R with 1300 miles to replace my 990 that’s done 37k miles, hope the 790 can do as well as yours has 😊
Yes, when I travelled with the 790 this was possible - speed limits e g in Norway are 70/90, speeding tickets are REALLY expensive (several hundret Euros) and the landscape too beautiful to rush through! If you ride it rally style this is a different story, of course!
Hej Kai-Uwe wer are you in Sweden. I am mostly at Oskarshamn or Barsebäck. 2021 I almost did 7000 km in Schweden, all during or beside the job. We / I even got a 790 too. Would be happy if we get contact and connecting each other. Hallo Kai-Uwe wo bist du in Schweden? Ich bin oft in Oskarshamn oder Barsebäck 2021 bin ich mit der 1290 /2021 ca 7k km in Schweden gefahren. Wir/ ich haben aber auch noch ein 790. Würde mich freuen wenn wir etwas von einander hören. Gruß Ralf
old video but fork seals at 30k? dude that is insane quality and not really the ktm at fault, you even said you were not maintaining well - i replace them so often on my mx bikes which i imagine take less shit than your 790 ,same with chain - 30k for a chain? i wish i got 30km on my chain from my exc 500, if i get 2k miles i am more than happy and i care for my bike - sounds like the dealers are shi7e there, the bike review is useful thankyou
Terrific review 👌 and gives the lie to KTM being more unreliable than other manufacturers. Let us hope that Husqvarna have taken the feedback and have used a bonded TFT as used by BMW and Triumph. I had 3x TFT on my 790 and all of them leaked, ALL of them. But they never failed. I am very much looking forward to your Norden 901 experience, please please keep us updated on the TFT. The 890 engine I tried is much more tractable with the heavier crank. Happy New Year from Liverpool UK 👍
Thanks for your feedback! Yes, I am really hoping the new TFT unit (which seems to be new hardware) is now really 100% waterproof. Can't be too difficult, considering that I e g never had Garmin GPS leaking in water! A friend of mine comment "Never buy a motorcycle from an exotic manufacturer!" but he was probably not aware that the Husqvarna brand is owned by Pierer Mobility, so the Husky bikes are basically redressed KTMs. And the 790/890 engines have been around now for three, four years or so. So problems with mine engine wise!
@@kai-uweoch1159 So long as the front glass is bonded to the TFT (no air-gap, as BMW and Triumph) then there can be no condensation inside the front glass. Here’s hoping. The 890 engine felt terrific to me. I shall watch your progress carefully, keep the videos coming, always very good 👍👍
Brilliant video. Reliability is, like any statistics, always difficult to judge whether you will be unlucky or not. I have a Multistrada 950 now, but I'm consideringing something a little smaller, a little lighter and more dirt-worthy for example like going to the north of Sweden and Norway like you did. A slightly used 790 is a candidate, but I'm a bit worried about the reliability. The Norden 901 is cool, but in Denmark it's unfortunately quite a lot more expensive than both the 890 and 890R. Also 700€ for the big service is cheap in my context! I paid 2000€ for the big 30.000km-service on the Ducati. Full service, new timingbelts and adjustment of 11 of the 16 desmo-valves took them almost 3 days...😅
Thanks! You know: my ”slightly used” ;-) 790 is for sale now! 2000€ for a service??? Boahhhh…! Never (again) Ducati. I am also selling my Scrambler 800 now.
@@kai-uweoch115916 valves on a multistrada 950???😮😮 pheraps 8 is better. Ah, in italy I have a friend of me with 88000km on 790 adv 2019..only regular service
Thanks for your review, Kai-Uwe. And I can underline the "myth" about Ktm and their issues of quality. I changed my 790 R last winter for the new 1290 R and I had exactly the same problems that you had, moisture in the display and one leaking front fork, both on warranty(the fork with a little bit of goodwill). I rode that bike 19000 km in two years of time on gravel mostly. Before that I have had a 990 R between 2010/ 2014(32000 km) and a 1190 R between 2014/2019(29000 km) with no issues non so ever. I have ridden my current 1290 R 12000 km also with no issues. A total of 4 Ktm bikes, eleven years and 92000 km. I don´t know about some written statistics between different brands about warranty issues, I only can tell from my own experience. Staffan/Karlstad
Having 92k km on 1 single bike in 11 years is different from having the same km on 4 bikes tho....you can't really tell what would've happened if you kept your bikes for more than 32k km. My S1000R have 48k km and apart from the fist recall it worked flawlessly till now. I hope my 890adv can do the same now.
@@Devilcry91 Of course that`s another view...and I have no clue what happened with the bikes in the long run. But for myself I had been a little surprised that it was that free from problems to own Ktm bikes. I , like many others, had heard the story of Ktm and their quality problems. And for my four bikes(as you mentioned all relatively new)it has worked out nice. I hope you have the same joy on your 890 that I have had on all of mine. You have Kai-Uwe`s review as a pretty good benchmark. Wish you good luck/Staffan
@@staffannunstedt548 yeah I hope so too. I have 2 friends who had 1290SD 1.0 and 2.0 other than 1290SA and all of them had problems with the electronics so I was really afraid to buy a KTM. Now I'm very happy to own one (screen condensation is a problem tho) as I'm not afraid anymore to take the wrong turn while exploring with added range and comfort. With the S1000R it was quite problematic to have even a little bit of gravel hahahaha
The drop in quality in recent years is very obvious to KTM mechanics. One of the best here in Greece has come across corroded forks in a brand new (5.000 kms travelled) 790R which was eventually compensated and covered in warranty. This was unheard of in the era of the 950/990s adventures. I owned a 2009R and travelled 110.000kms before selling it and all the reliability issues I had with it concerned minor parts like clutch and slave master cylinders, TPS and other small peripheral components. Extremely corroded forks in a brand new bike indicate a substantial drop in manufacturing quality control and/or processes. These forks would eventually snapped if the owner continued riding. Compare those to the looking like brand new, used forks of a 990. Accompanying this drop in quality is a RISE in pricing which is extremely disturbing.
Yay, he's back. I so wanted to buy one of these Adv 790R, but the KTM dealer network and accounts of poor customer service put me off. Motorcycle dealers are no different to car dealers ripping their customers off. Shall look forward to your thoughts on your new bike. You have never reviewed your Ducati Scrambler? Happy New Year.
Thanks! No, I have not done any review on that one. I bought it as a second bike for short rides, like literally riding into the city for some ice cream and the occasional after work ride out on the countryside. However the suspension, mainly on the rear, is not even suitable for smaller roads with less smoot asfalt roads and it is totally unsuitable for gravel. Also the seat is too soft, so in combination it feels like I am getting hit by a hammer from below all the time. The engine and gear box are wonderful at the other side, but it doesn't help. I realized I used the bike much to seldom, so it needs to go again. It's also a matter of operating cost, because I have a third bike (Yahama WR250R) at my summer/weekend house. Insurace is summing up...
Thank you for the honest review. While its true that any bike after 40k plus kms would show some issues, honda and yamaha t7 have a more reliable track record. The T7 is too tall for me, so i think I will get the transalp this year.
I think my 790 was running quite well. Compare that to the CRF1000L I had before, which all the „child diseases“ that have been reported in the www: rusty spokes, defective switches, start switch taking in rain water and worst valve clearances that were so far out of spec that the mechanic called Honda to confirm the values in the workshop manual!
Africa twin hasnt inertial plattform and abs cornering. The first model had not ride by wire 😂😂😂. And the high quality of japan were 2 pistons brake, and no TUBELESS 😂😂. Anyway a africatwin 1100 that has less power and less sporty engine of an 890 (but a 790 adv is the same: eats every africatwin when it wants). And his weights is 226 kg. Dct 236 kg. You are talking of 2 different bikes. One.is a sleep bike. Too smooth, little power for his weight. And the other is a racing bike. People pay attention at a few of oil loosing from thank of front brake, but don t know that has a bike with component of 90 yrs (honda). If you pass from an africatwin to an 790 adv is like to take a punch on the face.
No offense but anyone riding a motorcycle should be aware of their own maintenance needs. It is only worse if you didnt pay attention to the detail offered to you from the dealer. To amplify the fact it was covered with the receipt, only shows your lack of attention to detail. Which is likely why you missed the wear on the front sprocket. It seems you may feel a bit guilty for your own lack of attention and wish to blame someone else. I will close by saying, I am thankful I dont work for KTM and have you as a customer!
T7 is like an old transalp 650 with ABS MORE..has not inertial plattform, gas not tubeless, has too low power, has not a real antiwheeling. And if yiu put tech pack on a 790 you have cruise control, QUICK SHIFT bidirectional, and cobtrol of embarcate..790 adv is a Shuttle if compared a t7...when I takeaway my bike I want ergasm not reliability.Bikes are not a truck for iob
@@Okke-j2n T7 is way better in reliability, engine is simple and bullet proof! Is exactly the kind a bike to take around the world! KTM isnt this good in general- the electronics sucks on ktm! After things like tubeless helps, but not a deal breaker either, quick shifter u no need and some tech pack is completely waist of money
@@Okke-j2n by the way I sold my tenere with 49k km and 0problems!!! Got africa twin now and guess what no need electronics but they there! But it consume oil!
@@michsky46 africa twin 1100 weights really too much..226 kg dry..almost 40 kg more than a 2020 790 adv s that is on 188kg..the amazing thing is that a 790 or better an 890 have more power and torque weighting 40kg less. The other funny thing is that Africatwin has not tubeless
@@Okke-j2n africa twin is tubeless!! But u basically dont know what u talking about. Africa twin is different category than 890, and people buy this bike due to reliability. Lets be honest ktm struggles a bit. But even I was testing 1290SAR is good bike but now will it last? For instance i find as big issue the oil consumption on ATAS, so honda will have to sort out
Thank you from, Baja, Mexico. I have an 890R with 11000 miles. My chain is in great shape and glad to hear that yours lasted even longer. Good warning about the sprocket, though. No issues fir me so far. Nice report - gives me confidence about the bike's durability.
Greetings from the USA! Excellent 50,000km review, It's reassuring to see it. I own a 2020 KTM 790 Adventure R and have had a great experience so far. Zero issues and one recall for the brake spring. I also owned a Honda Magna in the past where my starter would stick and not work causing me to push start the bike so legendary reliability is not always the case. This is my first KTM and no complaints so far, I'm actually enjoying the brand and also lucky to have a dealer with great customer service, called Wooly's Cycle of Atlanta, a family-owned and operated. I would consider another KTM at this point and have considered the 890 as the next bike but might wait until 2023 since KTM tends to update models every two years. Congrats on the bike you ordered! Cheers!
Same here, went from owning my VF750's to this 2019 790 Adventure S and love it!!!
These kind of video's are exactly the ones that are really interesting on youtube. I hope you reach the same usage on the norden 901!
On my Super Duke, I got the fork seal replaced under warranty, oil was all over the wheel and brake disk a couple of days after the first service. They had the seal in stock, but wanted me to wait almost three month for a workshop appointment. Not so funny, if you buy a new bike in June and cannot ride it from July to mid of October. Next time, if they don't have a seal for you, measure the inner and outer diameter and try to find a generic seal with the measurements, it should do the job on any bike?
Thank you for the review. Did you have any cam wear when doing the valve checks? Thanks
How did your cams look at 30000km?
Thanks for the review. I am thinking of getting the new 2023 790 Adventure and it doesn’t seem too bad on the issues. One can get them sorted.
Спасибо большое за отзыв! Это первый обзор этой модели, которая проехала 50000 км. Очень ценная информация! И большой плюс к надёжности этого мотоцикла именно от вас! Надеюсь КТМ не приносили вам чемодан с деньгами за этот отзыв! Будем ждать отзыв на 901 хаску)
И да, привет из России! С Южного Урала!
Have you inspected it for Cam wear
Are your camshafts still OK and did you check them (physically).?
Great video, it’s clear and very detailed👌
I absolutely loved my 2020 790 Adv R in the beginning, but unfortunately it turned into a bad ownership experience.
First, there was no bike handover from the sales team, so I ended up taking the bike out of the dealership myself, which was really weird and disappointing, to me at least.
Second, the clutch pack was replaced twice within the first year. First one was at 3,000kms, the second was at 11,000kms. I had to wait for 2 weeks without a bike for the ‘express’ order to arrive, because the dealership didn’t have any parts in stock, nor demo / courtesy bikes 🤯
Third, I kept getting endless errors on my TFT screen, ranging from key failure to ABS failure to TC failure - on & off-road.
Love KTM as a brand, but I dislike their lack of after sales support. I definitely don’t see myself owning another KTM unless they truly change their approach.
That’s really bad. It shows again that a product is only as good as the aftersales support. I was waiting oncr six weeks for the head bearings of a 690 Enduro to be fixed - thats half of the riding season here! :-(
@@kai-uweoch1159hi, how many kms has now the bike? I saw one with 91000km and i m curios to know how many 790 have these km..mine has only 18000km..😂
Do you have any problem with camshaft?
Muy buen video.
Gracias por contar tu experiencia con la 790 Adv.
Espero que la mía me dé tantas alegrías como te dio la tuya en 50Mil Km.
Saludos desde Argentina 🇦🇷
1 año después como te ha ido con la 790, tengo muchas ganas de comprar una de segunda con 20.000 pero no se que tal es la maquina a largo plazo
@@octaviogomez5793 desde el punto de vista dinámico (el uso) es divina.
Amo la moto.
Llevo 5mil km y estoy enamorado de la moto.
Lo que sí deja mucho que desear es la garantía de fábrica y además en caso de necesitar algo específico, no tienen repuestos, al menos en Argentina, y por lo que pude averiguar en la mayoría de los paises es igual.
Venden y venden, pero después….
@@tincho1979 gracias por responder, que la sigas disfrutando mucho buenas rutas! En Colombia también es muy malo el servicio post venta
Thank you from the UK: a very interesting and well-balanced review. Those dealer service prices are shocking.
Great review! Congratulations with the Norden 901! Im looking forward to see more of it when you get it :)
Once again, thanks for doing this. I think you’re assessments are highly credible. I had a 2018 Africa Twin, now I have a Himalayan, and I’m very happy, that doesn’t mean that I’m not looking forward to your next review
I have 2020 R model, zero issues so far, except for damage due to using it as big dirt bike. It's an incredible machine with a lot of tuning potential. I shaved 13kg off, which transformed it completely.
What did you remove ?
@@christopherocha2403 lipo battery, passanger pegs, Evap system, decat+light tailpipe, removed some plastic parts, narrower lighter wheels, 140mm enduro tire+Tubliss, rottweiler airbox, single caliper on the front with Brembo caliper and Brembo pump. I also did shock setting, replaced handlebar, replaced steering damper, added neckbrace, fuel pump shield and crank case saver, replaced seat with Rally. I spent mini fortune on this bike it seems, hope my wife would not realize ;-)
@@mazoviaadv5536 a lot of job and money for sure 👍
Nice video ! What is the difference from the R seat to the S seat ? What is the seat height and your opinion ?
Thanks
Excellent video, thank you! I have a 2019 ktm 790R, i have had some moisture in my tft and a few black outs and key failure notices.of course this happened after the warranty but the replacements do the same thing.lasr july my rear shock failed, it leaked, so i had to have it rebuilt at my cost. I only have 8,350 miles so I'm not too happy about this.I want a Norden 901 but have to sell my ktm, I know it's the same company but I love the looks of the husky! Thanks
Iv a 2020 790 r best bike Iv ever ridden. Just changed chain and sprockets 11k miles, slightly premature but also dropped a tooth to 15, much better for me.
Thanks for this review Kai-Uwe, I have ad no problem at all so far except from loosing one of the bolts for the gear shift linkage. A friend had to change the camshafts at only 30.000 Km's, but they covered this (by goodwill). Congrats to the 901 Norden deal, loo forward to see your videos on it. Are You using the Fujifilm XT for this video?
Yes, this was the first time I used the X-T4, with a brand new Samyang 2.0/12mm that I bought last week mainly for aurora pictures next week. It works nicely for video, except that did not hit the focus correctly in one scene.
I forgot to mention that the sidestand bolt got loose once, so I almost lost it on a vacation trip. Sadly there is not the necessary torx in the tool set, so I used the next smaller one (whithout pulling too hard) and some loctite glue! :-)
@@kai-uweoch1159 Cool, i would also like to get north experience the beautiful Aurora Borealis or norrsken. Where are You going? Abisko or Arvidsjaur?
Excellent review thank you and well done on all the miles 🏍👍
Great video, and thanks for US conversions - 58 MPG is fantastic!
thx great video. What air filter do you use? thx
Thank you for this great review. As far as tires are concerned, I cannot recommend the dunlop trailmax mission enough! If you can get them I would recommend them above everything else.
Thanks for the review Kai. You mentioned about changing the seat to the S seat. If we do that, what is the seat height? Can we get something closer to the 850 mm that is standard on the S model?
If I remember correctly, I measured 86cm with that „S” seat on my R.
Mycket bra review, värdefull för mig som står i köpartankarna, vet inte om det blir en 790 2022 eller en 890 2022, vi får se.
Vad blev det?
Great long term review of 790 ADV R. Looking forward to your first impression of the Norden 901. Cheers.
Some time in Mai, hopefully!
Thanks for doing this. I would be very happy with this reliability. The fork seals on my Africa Twin went in the first few months. It wasn’t a polite little dribble. Both seals went and the front of the bike was soaked. I had to replace the brake pads as well. Of course, it was not covered under warranty.
On the AT I had before the 790 the seals lasted 30.000km (just like on the KTM) and that was with A LOT of gravel road dust. Guess I was lucky!
Thanks for this review. I have been researching what my next bike should be for both commuting and touring. I don't like the bigger bikes for weight issues and low speed mobility in the city so I have narrowed it down to KTM 790 or Suzuki V-strom 800 DE. I think after watching this I will take the plunge and go for the KTM when I am ready. I hope a I get a decent ownership experience like you have. Cheers!
I'm at same cross road. I'm chosing the Suzuki mainly due to reliability and parts availability especially here in Canada. And don't forget the insurance savings alone to go Suzuki pays half the payment
@@timdeleij7105in wich country this fact of insurance?
Been watching your vids since you had the CCM and am very interested to see your new bike (901) and how you get on with that and what mods you choose to do.
Thanks! I will probably not do many modification. With the mileage I am doing, I have never kept a bike for more than four, five seasons and learned that I will never get back that investment when I sell it. Also the Norden 901 seems quite complete. It has the low fender which I prefer (my personal opinion: a high fender looks silly on a 220kg bike that is never used like a sports enduro) and the auxiliary lights (good to be seen by other). I will remove the passenger handles because they collide with my Mosko Moto R80, but most likely keep the plastic carrier. The bike WILL get some sort of heated grips, so much is for sure. February, maybe...!
Excellent review and best wishes for your new Norden. You're a braver man than I to buy in the first year but that 890 engine is well proven at this stage.
Yes, that's also what I explained to a friend who is sceptical: it's basically a redressed 890, so same drive line, almost same electronics.
Very informative review. I have a 2019 790 Adventure S and I love it. It has the same issues as your "R" but the bike is so much fun to ride. To me the fun factor is worth dealing with the couple of quirks. Have you considered Dunlop Trailmax Mission tires? I have them on my 790 and they have been great.
I also have the 790 adv S, I love it so far. I do have one problem, It drains the battery from time to time.. but other than that, its been great. I still have the stock tires, but I'll get new tires for next season. I need more offroad oriented tires, I'll look into the dunlop trailmax tires for sure
hmmm each video i watched pushes me away from KTM that i did want to buy for the same reasons. TBBs from video are way too unpredictable and or too early than Japanese bikes. :( I would love a KTM Duke 790 and still doing research
Listening to the mileage you reached and driving style, the Norden 901 is perfect. The Engine and electronics are mutch better than the 790. You wil like it, and you don’t need a smaler sprocket.
Excellent, superb review. You are an Ambassador. What seat height is your bike with the S seat? I am 1.72 tall, and just manage my 1290s with 1 foot down. What height are you and is this 790R ok to get a foot down? Thanks
I am 1.71m with a 74cm inseam, jeans length perferably 30". I got another video out (in German, it was a reaction to a discussion in a German group) about that.
@@kai-uweoch1159 Echt mit 1,71 eine R fahren . Ich überlege mit meinen 1,80 ob ich groß genug dafür bin.
@@masterpanda2975 Wenn du nicht gerade einen völlig ungewöhnlich proportierten Körperbau hast, also extrem (!) kurze Beine sollte die Höhe für dich überhaupt kein Problem sein! Ja, ich kann zum Beispiel kaum rückwärts rangieren, wenn ich auf dem Bike sitze, muss dann halt absteigen. Ja, ich muss ein bisschen gucken wie ich halte - neigt sich der Boden nach links muss der erste Gang schon drin sein wenn ich halte und das rechte Bein runter zum Boden. Und ja: manchmal klappt's nicht und das Bike fällt um. Aus Asphalt bisher nie, wenn dann nur wenn ich wirklich "offroad" bin, also zum Beispiel wenn ich irgendwelche Hinternisse umfahren muss. Bisher hab ich aber nie ein Problem gehabt es wieder hoch zu bekommen, auch nicht mit Gepäck drauf.
Hallo,
Ik begrijp niet waarom (bij de meeste video’s over dit thema) toch steeds weer de (lichaam)lengte genoemd wordt.
Dit heeft toch helemaal geen invloed op hoe je met je voeten aan de grond komt. Dit helpt je niet verder!
Het heeft hoofdzakelijk te maken met de (binnen)lengte van je benen (inseam legs or jeans in inches/cm.)
in combinatie met de hoogte én breedte van het zadel op de plek waar je zit.
Kai-Uwe is een van hen die dit wél weet en ook benoemd 👌🏻👍
Ik kijk met vreugde uit naar de volgende revieuws over de Norden 901.
Always ride safe and on top of your bike 😉
Vriendelijke groet uit Zuid-Limburg / Nederland 🙋♂️
12:20 what was that? :D
40k kilometers on a set of chain and sprockets.... wow. That is crazy.... if definitely should have been replaced a lot sooner than that. For a person that does seem to ride quite a bit and have some technical knowledge you should know that 40k on one set that is insane.
31,000 km on mine, serviced at 937km, 4,000, 9500, 14,900, 25,000, 31,000, it's in the workshop right now getting the camshafts and followers replaced. These engines are a rubbish design and a terrible build quality. The cam lobes are soft, the cam follower is much narrower than the cam at 11mm wide and 7.5mm for the cam follower, their follower design increases the mechanical advantage of valve spring over the cam lobe.
By comparison my Triumph's valve clearances never moved in 3 checks in 60,000 km.
I recommend that you look at the lens of the camera and not its screen, it is weird that you are not looking straight
Thanks very information
Incredible km so far, you must be the biggest KTM distance rider - hope they give you some free servicing.
Now I am laughing....! Free service??? :-)
Great review!
How does the bike feel when you ride on the highway at 115 km/h for 5 or 8 hours ???
I have never tried this! Actually I realize now that the bike never left Sweden, got it in 2019 and the Covid prevented all international travel. However even going down to the ferry in Malmö I am trying to avoid motorways, execpt first bit to get away from the well known roads around Stockholm and maybe at the rnd if time is an issue. Guess the helmet turbulences would get very tiring. The 901 seems to be a bit better in that respect and if I take her down to Germamy and Slovenia this summer I’ll use a helmet without shield.
@@kai-uweoch1159 thank you very much
@@kai-uweoch1159 what do you think about de desert sled of ducati ???
@@sergebinder9363 By far too small tank. For getting the 901 I sold my scrambler Icon, same engine and tank as the desert sled. The yellow light went to at 200km, which is ok if I'm somewhere around Stockholm, but for going far north this is by far too little. Last summer I missed one gas station on the TET in Lappland. Next one was about 50km away, no problem I thought, I am not going back now. Unfortunately the next one was closed down. So I had another 50km to Karesuando and made it there with a mere 2l left, 460km overall distance. I ever trust the meter 100%, preferably I am filling up around 300km. ;-)
Those larger KTMs are great bikes but very pricey at the garage, not unlike similar BMWs. Arguably worth investing in high quality DIY tools.
I heard someone describe Ferrari as a finance company that specialises in cars; I'm wondering whether KTM is turning into the motorcycle equivalent...
Great to see them getting to those types of mileage without major issue. I take it you had no report of cam lobe wear during your major service? I have just bought a 2019 790R with 1300 miles to replace my 990 that’s done 37k miles, hope the 790 can do as well as yours has 😊
Vilken mc firma i sth försökte lura dig gällande servicekostnaden ?
Bra sammanfattning av ägandet 👍
Säger vi så: det är den enda KTM handlare i norra delen av Stockholm.
4lit/100km with 790 engine? ;)
Yes, when I travelled with the 790 this was possible - speed limits e g in Norway are 70/90, speeding tickets are REALLY expensive (several hundret Euros) and the landscape too beautiful to rush through! If you ride it rally style this is a different story, of course!
Hej Kai-Uwe wer are you in Sweden. I am mostly at Oskarshamn or Barsebäck. 2021 I almost did 7000 km in Schweden, all during or beside the job. We / I even got a 790 too. Would be happy if we get contact and connecting each other.
Hallo Kai-Uwe wo bist du in Schweden? Ich bin oft in Oskarshamn oder Barsebäck
2021 bin ich mit der 1290 /2021 ca 7k km in Schweden gefahren. Wir/ ich haben aber auch noch ein 790. Würde mich freuen wenn wir etwas von einander hören.
Gruß
Ralf
Very good review
Congrats on H901 :-)
Awesome review 👍🏻
old video but fork seals at 30k? dude that is insane quality and not really the ktm at fault, you even said you were not maintaining well - i replace them so often on my mx bikes which i imagine take less shit than your 790 ,same with chain - 30k for a chain? i wish i got 30km on my chain from my exc 500, if i get 2k miles i am more than happy and i care for my bike - sounds like the dealers are shi7e there, the bike review is useful thankyou
Terrific review 👌 and gives the lie to KTM being more unreliable than other manufacturers. Let us hope that Husqvarna have taken the feedback and have used a bonded TFT as used by BMW and Triumph. I had 3x TFT on my 790 and all of them leaked, ALL of them. But they never failed. I am very much looking forward to your Norden 901 experience, please please keep us updated on the TFT. The 890 engine I tried is much more tractable with the heavier crank. Happy New Year from Liverpool UK 👍
Thanks for your feedback! Yes, I am really hoping the new TFT unit (which seems to be new hardware) is now really 100% waterproof. Can't be too difficult, considering that I e g never had Garmin GPS leaking in water! A friend of mine comment "Never buy a motorcycle from an exotic manufacturer!" but he was probably not aware that the Husqvarna brand is owned by Pierer Mobility, so the Husky bikes are basically redressed KTMs. And the 790/890 engines have been around now for three, four years or so. So problems with mine engine wise!
@@kai-uweoch1159 So long as the front glass is bonded to the TFT (no air-gap, as BMW and Triumph) then there can be no condensation inside the front glass. Here’s hoping. The 890 engine felt terrific to me. I shall watch your progress carefully, keep the videos coming, always very good 👍👍
You're lucky to have had so little problems... some have plenty issues.
Did you see the 901 reviews about increased upper weight? Maybe watch these? Thanks
Well, I guess with more plastic high up, also the point of balance will move slightly upwards. I have not compared how the tank is shaped.
50k ktm 790 ? That is a lucky guy- normally you have at least 2 if not 3 top end engine rebuilds -cheese camshafts. Basically do not buy those.
Brilliant video. Reliability is, like any statistics, always difficult to judge whether you will be unlucky or not.
I have a Multistrada 950 now, but I'm consideringing something a little smaller, a little lighter and more dirt-worthy for example like going to the north of Sweden and Norway like you did. A slightly used 790 is a candidate, but I'm a bit worried about the reliability. The Norden 901 is cool, but in Denmark it's unfortunately quite a lot more expensive than both the 890 and 890R.
Also 700€ for the big service is cheap in my context! I paid 2000€ for the big 30.000km-service on the Ducati. Full service, new timingbelts and adjustment of 11 of the 16 desmo-valves took them almost 3 days...😅
Thanks! You know: my ”slightly used” ;-) 790 is for sale now! 2000€ for a service??? Boahhhh…! Never (again) Ducati. I am also selling my Scrambler 800 now.
@@kai-uweoch115916 valves on a multistrada 950???😮😮 pheraps 8 is better. Ah, in italy I have a friend of me with 88000km on 790 adv 2019..only regular service
Thanks for your review, Kai-Uwe. And I can underline the "myth" about Ktm and their issues of quality. I changed my 790 R last winter for the new 1290 R and I had exactly the same problems that you had, moisture in the display and one leaking front fork, both on warranty(the fork with a little bit of goodwill). I rode that bike 19000 km in two years of time on gravel mostly. Before that I have had a 990 R between 2010/ 2014(32000 km) and a 1190 R between 2014/2019(29000 km) with no issues non so ever. I have ridden my current 1290 R 12000 km also with no issues. A total of 4 Ktm bikes, eleven years and 92000 km. I don´t know about some written statistics between different brands about warranty issues, I only can tell from my own experience. Staffan/Karlstad
As mentioned in the video, the first generation of the Honda CRF1000L had many more problems than the first batch of the 790! 🙂
Having 92k km on 1 single bike in 11 years is different from having the same km on 4 bikes tho....you can't really tell what would've happened if you kept your bikes for more than 32k km.
My S1000R have 48k km and apart from the fist recall it worked flawlessly till now. I hope my 890adv can do the same now.
@@Devilcry91 Of course that`s another view...and I have no clue what happened with the bikes in the long run. But for myself I had been a little surprised that it was that free from problems to own Ktm bikes. I , like many others, had heard the story of Ktm and their quality problems. And for my four bikes(as you mentioned all relatively new)it has worked out nice. I hope you have the same joy on your 890 that I have had on all of mine. You have Kai-Uwe`s review as a pretty good benchmark. Wish you good luck/Staffan
@@staffannunstedt548 yeah I hope so too.
I have 2 friends who had 1290SD 1.0 and 2.0 other than 1290SA and all of them had problems with the electronics so I was really afraid to buy a KTM.
Now I'm very happy to own one (screen condensation is a problem tho) as I'm not afraid anymore to take the wrong turn while exploring with added range and comfort.
With the S1000R it was quite problematic to have even a little bit of gravel hahahaha
The drop in quality in recent years is very obvious to KTM mechanics. One of the best here in Greece has come across corroded forks in a brand new (5.000 kms travelled) 790R which was eventually compensated and covered in warranty. This was unheard of in the era of the 950/990s adventures. I owned a 2009R and travelled 110.000kms before selling it and all the reliability issues I had with it concerned minor parts like clutch and slave master cylinders, TPS and other small peripheral components. Extremely corroded forks in a brand new bike indicate a substantial drop in manufacturing quality control and/or processes. These forks would eventually snapped if the owner continued riding. Compare those to the looking like brand new, used forks of a 990. Accompanying this drop in quality is a RISE in pricing which is extremely disturbing.
Yay, he's back. I so wanted to buy one of these Adv 790R, but the KTM dealer network and accounts of poor customer service put me off.
Motorcycle dealers are no different to car dealers ripping their customers off.
Shall look forward to your thoughts on your new bike.
You have never reviewed your Ducati Scrambler?
Happy New Year.
Thanks! No, I have not done any review on that one. I bought it as a second bike for short rides, like literally riding into the city for some ice cream and the occasional after work ride out on the countryside. However the suspension, mainly on the rear, is not even suitable for smaller roads with less smoot asfalt roads and it is totally unsuitable for gravel. Also the seat is too soft, so in combination it feels like I am getting hit by a hammer from below all the time. The engine and gear box are wonderful at the other side, but it doesn't help. I realized I used the bike much to seldom, so it needs to go again. It's also a matter of operating cost, because I have a third bike (Yahama WR250R) at my summer/weekend house. Insurace is summing up...
Thank you for the honest review. While its true that any bike after 40k plus kms would show some issues, honda and yamaha t7 have a more reliable track record. The T7 is too tall for me, so i think I will get the transalp this year.
Their major problem is dealer network.
All I see on videos of KTM bikes on youtube are problem after problem. I don't think ill ever buy one of those.
I think my 790 was running quite well. Compare that to the CRF1000L I had before, which all the „child diseases“ that have been reported in the www: rusty spokes, defective switches, start switch taking in rain water and worst valve clearances that were so far out of spec that the mechanic called Honda to confirm the values in the workshop manual!
Africa twin hasnt inertial plattform and abs cornering. The first model had not ride by wire 😂😂😂. And the high quality of japan were 2 pistons brake, and no TUBELESS 😂😂. Anyway a africatwin 1100 that has less power and less sporty engine of an 890 (but a 790 adv is the same: eats every africatwin when it wants). And his weights is 226 kg. Dct 236 kg. You are talking of 2 different bikes. One.is a sleep bike. Too smooth, little power for his weight. And the other is a racing bike. People pay attention at a few of oil loosing from thank of front brake, but don t know that has a bike with component of 90 yrs (honda). If you pass from an africatwin to an 790 adv is like to take a punch on the face.
You know KTM have got an issue when even their mechanics are shocked that the bikes go 40000+ km. Every other brand does that regularly 😂
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No offense but anyone riding a motorcycle should be aware of their own maintenance needs. It is only worse if you didnt pay attention to the detail offered to you from the dealer. To amplify the fact it was covered with the receipt, only shows your lack of attention to detail. Which is likely why you missed the wear on the front sprocket. It seems you may feel a bit guilty for your own lack of attention and wish to blame someone else. I will close by saying, I am thankful I dont work for KTM and have you as a customer!
tenere 700, 36000km: 0issues!
T7 is like an old transalp 650 with ABS MORE..has not inertial plattform, gas not tubeless, has too low power, has not a real antiwheeling. And if yiu put tech pack on a 790 you have cruise control, QUICK SHIFT bidirectional, and cobtrol of embarcate..790 adv is a Shuttle if compared a t7...when I takeaway my bike I want ergasm not reliability.Bikes are not a truck for iob
@@Okke-j2n T7 is way better in reliability, engine is simple and bullet proof! Is exactly the kind a bike to take around the world! KTM isnt this good in general- the electronics sucks on ktm! After things like tubeless helps, but not a deal breaker either, quick shifter u no need and some tech pack is completely waist of money
@@Okke-j2n by the way I sold my tenere with 49k km and 0problems!!! Got africa twin now and guess what no need electronics but they there! But it consume oil!
@@michsky46 africa twin 1100 weights really too much..226 kg dry..almost 40 kg more than a 2020 790 adv s that is on 188kg..the amazing thing is that a 790 or better an 890 have more power and torque weighting 40kg less. The other funny thing is that Africatwin has not tubeless
@@Okke-j2n africa twin is tubeless!! But u basically dont know what u talking about. Africa twin is different category than 890, and people buy this bike due to reliability. Lets be honest ktm struggles a bit. But even I was testing 1290SAR is good bike but now will it last?
For instance i find as big issue the oil consumption on ATAS, so honda will have to sort out
Thankfully most ktms dont make 40000 km due to failures lol