Is 3D printing FINALLY easy enough to print Warhammer at home? Uniformation GKTwo!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 21 ม.ค. 2024
- Join me, a 3d printing novice (and idiot) as I try my very best to get to grips with this awesome technology.
Here is the printer I used: uniformation3d.com/?sca_ref=5...
Huge thanks to Uniformation for sending me the gear to test out!
Massive thanks to @FauxHammer for making all of this happen, and coming down to hold my hand through the basics. Go follow him RIGHT NOW!
Here's the "beginner Q&A" we promised! • 3D Printing - Beginner...
Here are some links to the things I used in this video, just in case you want the EXACT stuff I was using:
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Rack shelving: geni.us/rackshelving
Pickle jar: geni.us/picklejar
Non-stick tray: geni.us/nonsticktray
Things I printed
XP2 Calibration test: www.thingiverse.com/thing:491...
Little Plastic People “Fireborn” power packs: littleplasticpeople.com/store...
Dorkfactory: www.myminifactory.com/users/d...
Music by Midwinter Minis and the TH-cam Audio Library.
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Here are some useful links for stuff we use. Amazon gives us a few pennies if you buy using these, at no extra cost to you!
The wall-mounted paint rack I use: geni.us/nailpolishrack
The voiceover microphone I use: geni.us/PodcastPro
The painting lamp I use: geni.us/DaylightLumi
The “hobby cam” I use for livestreams: geni.us/LogiBrioWebcam
My favourite headphones: geni.us/BeyerDT770Pro
The camera I used in 2020: geni.us/mwm50
The camera I use now: geni.us/SonyAlpha728-70
How I mount my camera to my desk: geni.us/SmallrigDeskClamp
My airbrush compressor: geni.us/AirbrushCompressor
My airbrush: geni.us/IwataAirbrush
The airbrush set I started with: geni.us/RevellAirbrush
A great model paint starter set: geni.us/VallejoPaintSet
A great beginner paint brush set: geni.us/RLTaklon
Cheap brushes for detail work: geni.us/RLDetailTaklon
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Thanks for watching! 3 important things...
1 - Here is the printer I used: www.uniformation3d.com?sca_ref=5309662.D3ug7xsqPK
2 - Go follow Fauxhammer right now: www.youtube.com/@FauxHammer
3- You're awesome, you're important, and I hope you're having a great day.
I hope you never get sponsored by games workshop. Literally encouraging people to break copyright
I'd never encourage that, I say so in the video @@valeforedark
... But also Uniformation sent me more gear for this video than GW has ever sent me after making 240 videos on their products 😅
I am happy you went into detail about the health and safety aspects of this. A lot of people ignore that and have no idea of the dangers of breathing in resin day in day out. But, I feel the pricing at the end of this video is a little misleading. It's over £1000 (1300 USD) to get everything you used in this video - the 3 machines they sent you are £992.21 and that's before you have bought resin and other things you'll need for the clean-up process. I am sure it is worth it, the prints look great, but it's certainly a lot more than the price you said at the end of the video.
I mean, I was pretty obviously just comparing the printer prices. I speak about the costs of other items, and the general 3d printing hobby throughout the video.@@idontwanttopickone
I'm hoping that more youtubers take the time to showcase proper ppe for printers. Especially resin.
You don't need a 3d printer at home. You need a friend with 3d printer at home. It's the best solution :)
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There are enough print on demand services around these days that you don’t even need that.
Absolutely, too bad I'm the friend with the 3d printer at home
Especially for your long term health.
I know you spent 400 on your set up but I find elegoo mars pro 3 was excellent for me as a beginner
for those watching, water washable resin dosen't mean the water used to wash is safe and can be flushed or rinsed away - u still have to treat it as contaminated and dispose of it correctly. just a small but crucial point, since it's not always made apparant.
Oh man I totally forgot about that aspect of it. (I don't own a printer, but was thinking about it). It's another advantage fdm has over uv resin printers I suppose
Good point! And isopropil alcohol evaporate faster than water, so it is easier to dispose an empty container with resin leftovers inside, rather than liters of contaminated water
@@Pesso86 I pour the waste water into old paint cans, put them in a closed box on my shed roof till they evaporate down to the resin. label clearly and drop them off at the tip on the hazardous table. Easy
@@andywang7875 other than the advantage of absolutely crappy results you get with FDM, you mean? 😂 (I'm talking about the specific use case of printing minis, to be clear)
@@pgabrieli you're supposed to use FDMs as glorified injection moulds when printing miniatures. You get perfect results that way, admittedly you do need to make your own moulds for this but worth it for the results you get
Your honesty is why you're my favourite hobby channel. Highlighting both the good and the bad, with 3D printing in particular, I feel people gloss over the safety issues a little, or they have setups that allow for better ventilation or separation from the rest of their home so it's not an issue.
I've got respiratory problems and even using my airbrush with protection gives me anxiety. So the fact you straight up show how the air quality changes in this video is really valuable to someone like me. That and I think spilling resin on my carpet would implode my soul so I'm happy to leave it to others 😅
No worries matey! Thanks for the kind words :)
Dude, the best tip I have is to do it outside.
I’m with you Captain. I definitely noticed a downgrade in my breathing quality when I got my first PHOTON.
I work in a garage shop, wear a mask (respirator), and gloves when working with the resins. We also have a vent exhaust system that pulls stuff out, and two giant air purifiers. I also have to pay to dispose of my IPA and chemicals that i use, and lot of folks don't follow those rules.
watching you remove prints from the build plate without removing the plate from the machine drove me insane. Talk about the hardest possible way to retrieve your prints. With that said I am glad you have now found an appreciation of the 3d print!
Also bits of cured resin can fall into the tank and damage the membrane when printing or cause the printer to not even print at all until bits are removed.
You never forget your first carpet resin spill! Looking forward to seeing how well everything else went!
Haha, thanks bud. I honestly think that spot cleaner has been the best financial investment of my life
there is a 1ft x 1ft square of my carpet that is less faded than the rest, thankful for the decision to keep some spare over a decade ago
if at all possible grab one of those mats for a rolling chair and use that on the carpet, its will save you ALOT of pain
Thanks for the honest review including the toxic vapors. That had been my main concern about whether or not to try 3d printing myself. I currently don't have a dedicate, safe space for it.
No problem mate! Glad you found it useful
@@MidwinterMinis Id be curious to know how the VOC sensor would react if you had used water instead of the odorless spirits. Any chance you would use water instead at a later date and give an update on the impact?
I've studied chemistry, so I feel pretty confident in what I'm going to tell you: I haven't used my 3D printer for almost 4 years, because the last places I lived simply didn't have a space I could safely use. If you live alone and have a well ventilated bathroom, you're gonna be pretty safe, if you only leave it running when you're out and the windows are open.
The methylated spirits aren't that big of a problem, if you leave the windows open while working with them and keep them tightly sealed otherwise. Personally, I prefer Isopropyl Alcohol, since it is less volatile and less toxic than even pure alcohol.
What I would be concerned about is the fumes from the resin while printing, since the exact composition of the resin is seldom disclosed by the manufacturer and can cause allergies.
It's probably still safer than having an FDM printer without a proper filter system at home, since those will put a lot of particles in the air that definitely aren't healthy and that your body may not even be able to get rid of.
So, with all that, you need to decide what's best in your situation.
@@miguelengelhardt4687 Resin certainly isn't safer than FDM printing. FDM typically uses PETG or PLA plastics that are both organic plastics and biodegradable. They are non-toxic and can be broken down by the body if inhaled. Using ABS with an FDM printer would be toxic, however.
Resin is many many times more toxic and irritating to the skin. Let alone needing to be cleaned with IPA or other solvents which can exasperate / amplify it's toxicity when inhaled. This is the primary reason I've avoided buying a resin printer as I cannot create a proper ventilation environment which would require a vent hood and an air exchanger that leads to the outside. You must also wear a proper VOC intended respirator or you are really asking for trouble.
A carbon filter gets rid of VOCs efficiently (the same which are used to grow weed), but it adds some cost to the setup.
I have been resin 3D printing for nearly 3 years and it has been the best thing that I did for my hobby. It can definitely be difficult, though.
Nice! What kind of stuff do you print?
I print all lots of small additions for my Warhammer models as well as miniatures for Dungeons and Dragons.
@@MidwinterMinisremember it's best to remove supports from the item before curing. Placing them in warm water (not hot) for a few minutes really let's the supports fall off.
Best thing to know is the right printer makes everything so much easier. Get your area set up, develop your process, get good at supporting your own items and print, print then print some more. Soon you'll be among those of us that laugh when people say 3d printing is hard or messy etc...
I think the ultra sonic cleaner is over kill. Any of the wash n cure stations will serve the purpose just fine and they have an air tight seal. So there's no need to constantly break everthing down just to set it up when next needed. I have a Egloo Saturn 8k and have never been more satisfied. I imagine I'll get many more years out of it before considering an upgrade.
Your old Anycubic did sterling service for my school Warhammer club and when I upgraded it went to a group of schools in Scotland where it is still going strong. Feels like Old World will cause a few massed ranks converts to 3D printing.
So glad it got a good second / third life!
I hadn't realised temperature made such a difference! Maybe the unheated utility room wasn't the best place, huh...
Thanks for the tips!
Yeah, that was my big take-away too honestly!
I'm glad you're up front about the dangers. They're very real. I dove headfirst into resin printing and it was extremely fun and I was able to build a whole army of Traitor Guard out of it, but the fume build-up started causing me severe irritation around my eyes. It can be done safely, but there are probably thousands of people like me who weren't doing it safely. You bringing light to that is important.
i'm pretty sure the vast majority of people who 3d print don't do it safely, at least from what i can tell on fb groups and subreddits dedicated to 3d printing. A lot of people incorrectly believe that if it doesn't smell, it's safe
I watched a video somewhere saying that even if the amount of VOCS were low, it's really the type and particle size that makes a big difference, I was wondering if there's a sensor you can get that gives you that information along with the amount, I also wish there was a safe way to print in a room with no windows (hard to run a vent tube outside), I've heard of people doing a similar vent tube setup but running it into a big carbon filter like the ones people use in home grow tents for weed smells, it would be interesting to see if those actually absorb most of the VOCs and none of the vents or tubing leaks air.
Few remarks:
1. You should wear mask when handling resin and spirits/alcohol, even though you have the air cleaner, as well as handling uncured and wet prints.
2. It is easier to take the print plate from the printer and remove the models on some kind tray
3. For ease of use I'd say Lychee slicer is much better than Chitubox
4. Increasing size of prints with supports already in stl may not always work
Any idea how to use lychee with egloo printers? I prefer lychee but when I upgraded to the saturn 8K I was forced into chitubox.
So I take it you have HAZMAT training, right?
It doesn't take HAZMAT training to understand resin isn't good for your skin and lungs. Neither is ISP. @@BullScrapPracEff
That's long past. All elegoo printers are simply supported now. @@jc7997aj
@@jc7997aj Been awhile since I used Lychee with my Mars, but I believe you just need to make sure you export the slices to the right format when using Lychee with an elgoo printer.
Thank you for NOT having a typical TH-camr overreaction! Great video 😊
Just want to point out that the methylated spirits itself is the VOC your detector is picking up (you get enough evaporation at room temperature for alot to be in the air).
Methylated spirits vapor isn't too hazardous unless you're going to spend hours huffing it, opening the window to let it ventilate was a good way to help deal with it.
Also, just keeping some kind of lid closed over the containers when you're not actively using the solution for the rinse/clean will help reduce the amount evaporating into the room 👍
This feels like the most honest and genuine 3D printing review from a real world perspective as a concerned father. Thank you for your honesty.
My mate and I gifted ourselves an Elegoo Mars 4 (6k) for christmas. After the initial setup and some massive pains leveling the thing, it's now standing in his boiler room, where it's a) always nice and cozy and b) noone's usually in there. The amount of awesome nurgly armour bits to put on his Knights almost single-handedly reinvigorated his love for the Death Guard (and to a larger extent the hobby). To this day I still think your "Landrussy" is one of the most awesome Nurgle vehicle videos I've seen here, but for someone not as confident in his/her sculpting, printing seems like a real godsend for individualising your army.
Landrussy oh my god
@@MidwinterMinisI'm just borrowing the joke from the comments. But I had a similar reaction when I first read that. 😅
you have absolutely no idea how convenient this is to see considering I'm getting the last part of my printing setup tomorrow.
I really like the idea that you can create or re-create miniatures with 3d printing. I agree with all of the health concerns , especially with children and pets around. One thing I have noticed is that some people have started setting up "mom and pop" 3d printing businesses which let you supply the files for them to print, and that may be the way to go, like maybe a few people in every local community have their own 3d printer set up, or hobby shops have their own 3d printing service, and people use those services for alternative supplies of minis instead of getting their own printers.
Besides the issues you've mentioned, the major thing that keeps me from actually using my printer is doing supports. It's long, tedious, and if done wrong causes failed prints that you only discover many hours later when the printer is finally finished.
Curious what you'd be printing that isn't already supported, at least in terms of tabletop hobby stuff.
I almost never print something that isn't already supported. When I do, I try Auto-Supports. Dennys Wang has some videos of how to take Auto-Supports, give them a look, add a couple if needed, and be done with it much faster than full manual supports.
For what it’s worth, while it’s not perfect, Chitubox’s auto-supports very rarely let me down, particularly if you double check them and add some manual supports while needed. I’m not sure if every slicer has that as an option, though.
Support's are only one of the three factors you have to be really ONTOP off that make 3D printing a hobby. See more below on what they are.
Something you have to be prepared to invest you leisure time in for free for what ever returns you feel are equitable for that investment.
1) Settings appropriate for your resin i.e. dialled in.
2) Temperature/environment control.
3) Supports or purchased supported models.
If you omit or fail on any of them your just courting trouble because all 3 are undisputable points of failure and the worst part is you can't always just at a glance go OHHHH they happened because of 2) or 1) or 2) & 3) caused it.
Unlike painting with the wrong paint or using plastic glue on your resin model and going ohh yes that's my mistake 3D printing is still full of variables that can't be trouble shot by any one but the owner/consumer.
Anyone who says it's easy is either lieing or has an established technical background that's offsetting much of the trouble. Be it from understand modelling or engineering and chemistry etc etc etc.
All the creators I subscribe to provide pre-supported files. I wouldn't support creators or buy files from them if they didn't. You do get some variation in quality of these, but the more successful ones have this down pretty well now.
@@Dark0Storm This years Loot Studio stuff just falls out of the supports. Very well done.
Took it up in one of the later lockdown of 2020. It's been great for both miniatures and useful little tools.
I think being an engineer did help jumping into it without hiccoughs.
It's also nice to become the goto guy in your player group providing cool bloodbowl teams and things.
When I started 3D printing, I was for minis. And not to fine a point on it, D&D style minis. I grew up on D&D and 3D printing then painting my own was like Charlie & the Chocolate Factory. Then of course came all the cosplay and everything else. But my first printers were resin, solely for the detail! Resin remains my go to, I say I print 80/20 resin to FDM. The mess and effort, worth it to me, solely for that detail. I live alone, I am home-bound disabled, my apartment is basically my 3D printing & painting studio that I happen to live in. The majority of room is taken with machines, workbench, painting area and so on. While the kitchen & bedroom is where I live. Many may shake their heads at this, go ahead, but this is my zen. This is what brings joy and zen to me. This is what helps me forget, at least for moments, the pain I endure all day.
The goal in life is happiness. If you enjoy printing and painting minis, then be glad you found a hobby. Many adults fail to entertain themselves and become grumpy depressed individuals. So congrats, nothing wrong with a room full of machines if you like that. Only the former will disapprove.
i recently got the anycubic mono m5s, truly a beast of a printer, its been tough getting it running but it has revolutionised my hobby ability - im a 3D design student so ive been creating my own models!
That sounds great, I'm tempted to try to model things as well but... there's only so many hours in the day!
@@MidwinterMinis i’d recommend AutoDesk maya, it’s far more powerful than blender and is super easy to get started in
Really loved your objectivity. As usual.
A true tutorial to this side of the hobby.
Warm thanks
i use both an FDM and resin printer and work in the room i have them both in. toxic fumes were a huge concern for me. my biggest recommendation is to not rely on filters. they can only take you so far.
VENTILATION IS KEY!!!
i house my resin printer and wash station inside a fireproof ventilation chamber (kind of like a square tent you put the printer in) and run ducting out of my window. i also have an in-line fan in the ducting to suck and the toxins out better. Since i started using this method my air quality has improved to a point of complete safety. i also run a couple of rechargable carbon filters inside the chamber too but WORD OF WARNING! carbon filters do litte against toxic vapours and mainly just deal with smells i just use them to take away any rsidual smell from the chamber.
I also use, gloves, an apron and a filter mask at all times when handling/cleaning prints and any used disposibles like paper towels and so on get bagged and binned in my outside bin. i also often run my prints overnight since i wont be in the room while they work. I've taken a lot of precautions to make it perfectly safe to be in the room while printing but an extra layer of caution will never go amis!
That being said, this all sounds like printing is a massive pain, but once you have set up your station properly, as long as you stick to the basic safety principles it becomes a very easy and methodical process that gives you some really cool prints and i do still recommend getting into it. but only if you can do it properly!
I have the exact setup you're describing, but I stopped printing since i found it to be too unhealthy, at least in the house. It doesn't smell at all, but that really doesn't matter since the toxic chemicals don't necessarily smell. I'm going to build myself a work shed next summer and print there instead. Seems to me like the only way to make it perfectly safe is to print outside the house
Just gotten into 3d printing, had the same experience at the start as you was super rough. But now I seem to have made it work super excited to see where it leads
Your honestly is really refreshing to see, generally speaking you / your channel has an amazing attitude!
I appreciate that!
Ey up Guy, I used to have my printer set up in the basement, but the smell it produced was quite strong. Even now, if I bring the isopropyl alcohol I use for cleaning indoors for daft reasons of mad science, the odour is quite noticeable.
My solution was to relocate my printer to my outdoor shed, which isn’t airtight but can be locked. It’s not as convenient as having it indoors or in a hobby room, but it keeps me from being affected by VOCs.
My printer is a bit older and doesn’t come with a built-in heater, which is crucial in the UK and for printers located outside the house. So, I had to improvise a heating solution, which thankfully works. Your printer, however, should be ready to use without any modifications!
Exactly what I'm planning to do! I'm going to make myself a work shed (for other reasons) this summer and put the 3d printer in there. It's going to be heated and insulated since I'm in Canada and it gets pretty cold even in the summer during the night. Even with my over the top safety setup in my house for 3d printing (grow tent, two filter ducts to outside + bathroom fans in each, soldering filter fan etc) it,s still very unhealthy, so I don't see any other option than printing outside
Once in a six side has an amazing pre flight check list for printing that's all work checking out
I think 3d printing has a lot of things that could work if you are in the right conditions. I don't a 3d printer and... This video helped out a lot. I'll keep buying 3d printed minis in my local hobby store for now, but if I am able to, I'll buy one and put it in a place where no danger can be presented.
Lovely video, thank you for that
I'm just happy to see that you found out you can do it. My Mars 3 is doing everything I need it to for now, but it's great to see what the technology has achieved in such a short amount of time.
Thanks for the detailed explanation and demonstration of the process! I've been thinking about a resin printer for a while and this has been a great and transparent video of the process. Very well made video
for continuing your mini printing journey, I would HIGHLY recommend Once in a Six Side he is the goat for this kind of stuff
Thanks! Just subscribed
Seconded on Once In A Six Side. He recently put out a video going into more detail on setting up a 3D printer, the pitfalls that can happen, and how to deal with them.
You mean that annoying guy who does nothing but make knockoffs and harrass play on tabletop?
@@TheSonOfRyan He made exactly one video responding to Play On's vid on 3d printing, where he was like "I don't know how much I agree with this sentiment". And then talked about his own experiences with 3d printing.
That's not harassment. I don't even know how you came to that conclusion.
@@TheSonOfRyan he doesn’t make knock-offs, he shows an incredible insight into the design process and interviews the creators of a lot of STLs, and shows the failures and why they happen.
He does ‘nothing but attack Play On Tabletop’ by making exactly one video pointing out why he disagrees on a few things, and frankly, I’d trust his experience a lot more than there’s. But harassing them with one whole video where he didn’t harass them…? Despicable stuff, honestly.
You seem a bit irrationally obsessed with hating this guy. He’s just a really good 3D-printing channel, dude, and he doesn’t make content often, but when he does it’s consistently interesting to learn from.
Great to see your perspective on the 3D printing trend and great to see Fauxhammer on the channel, what a great dude! I think the point you raise at the end of the video (spoilers I guess) about space, toxins and investment price are always what has prevented me from getting into 3D printing myself. It has never primarily been about the definition of models or ease of use of the machines though that does play a part.
The fact is most people are hobbying out of the corner of a room or in a room they use for other things like home office or bedroom, 3D printing does require a dedicated ventilated (i.e not a cupboard) separate work space, hard to tout something as the budget solution to Warhammer when you need that to safely get to grips with it. But that's just my two cents, I have loved seeing the technology improve and it will continue to do so exponentially I'm sure, I look forward to printing a new liver in 2066. Great stuff guys!
What with having bought one just before Christmas after a couple of comments on Fauxhammer's video asking various questions and also using that resin too, I feel like this video that shows the process and all the bits in between the steps was perfect for me, almost tailor made.
As this is my first video of yours I've seen, I will watch your career with great interest.
Getting Fauxhammer in, very nice - and I didn't realise he lives around the corner from me! I'll be sure to drop by with a thousand 3D printing questions.
Also Jay was referenced, yay! EoB is awesome.
What this video highlights, is that while 3D printing is technically cheaper than buying stuff normally, the money saved is offset by the cost of tedious and (potentially hazardous) work and effort of doing the whole process yourself + needing dedicated space. For some people that is an easy price to pay, but for others (like me) the space to set-up a printer is simply not there and I'd much rather pay extra to have all the tedious work done for me by the company.
Especially if you count the hours put in 3d printing and compare them to your wages. Time is money, and 3d printing requires A LOT of time, making it expensive if you don't have that much free time in a week
I was in the same doubting place as you are in the video. I slowly got used to having access to the huge community and library of stuff available across the community. It was slow to catch on but wow. There is some truly amazing stuff out there to print, paint, and game with if you learn where to look.
Thank you! A real 'how do I do and keep this' video.
I've been wanting one for years, but don't have the space (storage and safety) and don't need MORE backlog of things to paint/ accomplish. Like an airbrush, it's a tool (that takes a significant amount of space, like you said), but not a needed asset. Great in a pinch for your channel though, should you need that missing weapon or shoulder pad, but not needed, just a luxury.
Hope you keep at it as you can and find uses.
A great video and look at a new 3D printer. Now saying that, I don't have the time, money, setup area, or desire to use a 3D printer, but man, that was really enjoyable to watch the process of setup to cured miniatures. It's absolutely amazing to see how far the 3D printing technology has come in such a small timeframe. Thanks for sharing the video, Guy!
If anything it’s a massive success in resin technology that the major VOC production stems from spirits and not the resin itself (at least for the most part) given that it’s well protected and filtered inside the printer. Water washing would fix my largest issue at that point!
I recently acquired a printer around Christmas. I've just finished priming my warhound titan and cant wait to keep them coming. I run the Anycubic Photon Mono 2 with 2 air purifiers in with it using the Anycubic Water washable resin and so far its been fantastic with very little issues.
My wife jusy got me a Phrozen Mighty 8k for my birthday and I am very excited to try. Also a bit nervous because I have struggled plenty to learn on my FDM printer. Thanks for doing this!!!
Honestly great vid! I started my 3d printing journey just before Christmas it's helped my self along with loads of people in my gaming community just to save money on games we love to play with out the expensive price tag that comes with it
Personally I hate how many people advocate 3D Printing as being the perfect alternative to buying the original kits. There are many reasons why 3D Printing your own models could not be for you. Things like unsuitable workspaces, not enough time or not wanting to buy gear that far outprices the kits you want, these get glossed over almost always when people talk about 3D printing.
Not only that, the amount of effort it takes to perfectly set up your printer to get you the results you want or the tedious cleanup work get sweeped under the rug too. Lets also not forget that not every model you want has a free STL to download.
Personally as someone who has a 3d printer I advice others to first consider what and how much they want to print and if all the extra work is worth the savings you might have after printing enough. I usually only print big models that are far too expensive, like the Hierophant, and get the regular kits whenever I want them really badly. I just love the assembly process and feel less connected to models I printed.
Agreed. No space, no time, don’t want to work with toxic materials, and I’d rather just buy the models I want. If I want 3D printed models, I will happily pay someone for them.
3D is great, but it is a whole other hobby/job on its own. They have really improved these last 2 years and I don't just mean in quality but ease of use. After helping me to relearn how to write (yes, I am serious) they allowed me to get back into the wargaming hobby since my hand movement is not what it was.
Thanks for this, its really... REAL and realistic about what I should expect if I tried this myself. 😊
If you ever do tests on water washing I'd love to see a video (or even just read a write up) on what you found out. I also don't love being around that much open spirit, and this seems super cool.
For the VOC fumes issue, maybe you can use a shower curtain or similar plastic with magnets to create a curtain to wrap your rack in. Then use a flexible hose duct and a small fan to direct the fumes out of your window. Maybe there is a charcoal filter so you don't need to use the duct and window.
Awesome vid, but Guy... the GK2 has a little flat lever above the build plate where it attaches to the Z-shaft.
Flip the lid up, flip that flat lever and the plate will come off. You can then pop the prints off without the risk of them falling into the vat.
Clean the plate after, then reattach securely and you're good to go. It's also designed to fit into the cleaning machine if you wanted.
Also, highly recommend a P3 filter mask and safety goggles. Sometimes print supports will flick around and I've had a few occasions where they'd go into my eye had I not been wearing them.
Good luck and enjoy the machine
He came down and helped you out? That's badass!
I think your honesty about the downsides of 3D printing is so refreshing, and important. I've had to rethink the whole idea of getting into 3D printing because the only spaces I could use to print in, would be my bedroom or the kitchen. Toxic fumes and resin alongside kitchen counters, food etc, just doesn't seem feasible or advisable, and nor does sleeping with the VOC's.
Though my kids are grown up and not at home, visits from my granddaughters also make it a no go. So, without the dreamed of Lottery win and my own studio, it's a nope from me 😂 Great video, thank you. Subscribed )O(
I’m glad you included your air monitor as part of the video and it confirmed somewhat my own experiences over the last few years printing. The resin itself isn’t that bad. It’s the cleaning solutions. I wonder how isopropyl alcohol compares to methylated spirits in regards to VOCs put off.
Thanks for sharing!
Started with an Anycubic Photon M3 a few months ago. I've had less than a handful of failures and most of those were my fault as I put something too close to something else on the build plate. In that case the both items kinda merged so they were unusable. The other items on the plate printed fine though. I didn't print any calibration stuff...just used the recommended settings from the website. I've even mixed different resins that people said will "be unpredictable" and even those parts printed fine. I do print in my garage so the VOCs aren't an issue.
Currently in the process of thinking whether I want to get into 3D printing or not, and genuinely loved your nuanced insight, especially regarding health & safety issues!
It's good that you also highlighted a crucial point many in the wargaming community forgets or ignores: 3D printing is NOT a tool for your wargaming hobby; it's a hobby all in itself (which can incidentally produce results you can use in your wargaming hobby, but still)
A lot of those extras from that printer are still not a thing for the budget printers (
I have been on the same situation as you, the solution that I found was that I learned how to scale and put the supports on the mini, and then just send it to a place to print it, even better if you send them the resin that you want to be used on the minis (they store mine for future projects). the cost is minimal and you don't have to be exposed to malicious resin gases.
It has pros and cons but because I don't want to invest a lot of time to learn about the technical thingys of the printer it works for me.
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Loved this. I think 3D resin printing is SO COOL, but it's so much to do in a hobby that's already time consuming (maybe that's cuz I"m a slow painter...). Having said that, I love finding 3D prints on Etsy and other sites to snazz up minis or get more.
Great video. Your final thoughts on the safety aspect is pretty much whats been stopping me from buy a 3d printer. Little ones and those chemicals dont mix.
I'ver got my Uniformation GK this Cristmas and did my first steps into 3D printing with nothing more than some TH-cam videos. I'd say that a GK2 is really easy to use, quite self explanatory and so on. But, as you've aöready said, it's another (big) hobby.
I think you did a great job of pointing out the pros and cons, Guy. Fantastic review of the product via demonstration but equally pointing out the magnitude of the process and investment as a whole.
First of all, great video and I hope that 3D printing can further support your passion. I also started with an Anycubic Photon, which eventually turned into 3 printers. I'm currently using a Phrozon Sonic Mighty 8K and I have to say, you can clearly see the difference between the devices. In addition, from today's perspective, I would say that the Anycubic was not the ideal entry-level printer, but back then the selection was unfortunately not as large as it is today😅
For removing the supports, I recommend a hair dryer set to warm, or submerging the mini in warm water to soften them up. They pop off super easy that way, with no worries of them breaking in half, or taking something off with them!
I got into 3D printing about a year ago, though I've never done tabletop games. I love being able to scale up models to create figures rather than minis, though I only scale to around 60mm. I'd say the biggest learning curve was learning to do supports that don't fail but also don't leave a lot of bits to clean up. Supporting a model before printing is probably the biggest drag for me. I've kind of fallen into printing in the warm months out in my garage and painting in the cold months. I do have a Fungoo enclosure for each of my printers. They have fans and hoses so you can run a hose out your window to pump the air in the enclosure directly outside. For those without super nice heated vats, you can get small personal space heaters and a temperature regulator often used in tabletop greenhouses to maintain the temp inside the enclosure. I believe a small heater that fits inside the cover of most 3D printers was recently released as well.
I've gotten the science of resin printing down I think. Got my Lion El Jonson, Azrael, Dreadnought Bastillus, etc files from here and there online, and have already made up for the price of my printer with what I've found. Believe me. It's worth it. My favorite part of printing is making stuff for my buddies and surprising them with nice gifts.
This is really helpful. The time to learn and print, cost and health issues feel like they are not brought up enough, people often only talk about the end goal of how cheap it is to print things. I want a 3D printer, but don't have the space, I have respiratory issues and my housemate has worse ones, so I feel more sure that I will wait longer.
Also good to know I can get a printer like that one that can mitigate the fumes.
I for one definitely think 3D printers definitely have a place in the miniature hobby. I personally run 2 FDM printers but am looking at getting a Resin printer to print my own miniatures in the future. Also having 2 young children, the safety side of things is definitely something high on my list to mitigate for my childrens safety. Education is definitely the key for young kids and not hiding the fact that the resin could kill them if they drank it.
Wow, never heard of that printer, but it seems good.
I bought an Anycubic photon as my first printer and i have had basically zero issues with it, and have printed a huge range of things with it. So even budget printers are fine, you just have to make sure you google what to do if your using new resins. Also Lychee slicer is by far the best, it does most of the hard stuff for you.
I have the Anycubic Photon and it has been a big headache to figure out. A portable heater was the most helpful investment. I can lock it in a tiny ventilated bathroom while it’s operating. I hadn’t thought about fuses from the spirits so will need to revise my setup. Definitely going to wear my respirator for all stages of the process now.
Thorough and honest... I love this video! Happy printing, happy painting, happy playing!
Great video. I've heard brief mention of some of the concerns before, but this filled out the details. I also have a friend who will print stuff on the rare occasions I want something :)
I just want to say THANK YOU so much for giving an honest and thorough opinion instead of forcing yourself to pick a side on the subject.
The most important thing you can do is read the material safety data sheets for the resins that you've chosen to use and take appropriate precautions for each of them.
I'm in charge of a Formlabs 3L at work. It's the perfect tool for printing minis, never had a failure yet.
I started a few months ago with a Bambu Lab P1S FDM printer, it's pretty neat. I'm mainly using it for larger items. I'm currently printing all the pieces for a Thunderhawk and with the exception of a few failures along the way, the majority of the pieces come out really crisp. I'll be trying a Warhound Titan afterwards. I've got young kids so wanted to start with something safer to be around, and also safer material wise. It's neat to be able to print toys for the kids that I don't have to worry about being toxic, like resin. FDM prints are surprisingly strong, so I'm looking forward to doing some cosplay outfits and props too. The cost of materials is also quite a bit lower than resin.
With that said, I do plan on buying a resin printer eventually. I have a plan in my head for an enclosure that will house the printer and cleaning station that will be vented outside directly so the VOCs aren't circulated around my house.
I've had trouble putting my reluctance to use 3D printing into words before, but something Guy said in this video explained exactly what I have been wanting to tell friends of mine whenever they asked me if I was going to get a 3D printer or not. I'm not into that kind of hobby. For me, the majority of the creativity and joy I get from the modeling side of the hobby is assembling and kitbashing minis, and it's just not the same with 3D modeling different minis to print.
Thank you for this video, I've been thinking about getting a 3d printer for several years now but after seeing your point of view I definitely know that for now I don't want one. I really liked the fact that you insisted on the toxicity of certain products and the necessity of good safety measures.
Now that you have a good 3d printer and some experience, perhaps the Blackstone Fortress 3d terrain replacement pieces for the card board tiles. Pick a level, print the pieces, paint them, and show them off. Your channel started with BSF, a great way to tie it back in. Great video!
I jumped into 3D printing this year, live with the risk I print in the garage. Using the Mars 4 it’s awesome!
Yes. It has been for nearly 2 years now. I have an entire 2000pt retro ork army. I started at 14 lol.
Great video. Also I can see your twins will be into warhammer too..."Daddy, it's a titan!" so cute.
I've been 3d printing for several years now, i can say for sure that you could have had the same experience with your old anycubic as you have had with this gktwo with the right guidance. My original resin printer was the first ever elegoo mars and although it was a learning curve, it was easy compared to fdm. The only complicated bit with resin prints is learning how to support them properly. The post processing takes time, but is easy enough.
I'm lucky enough to have my printers in a shed with their own dedicated air circulation and heating. Personally i wouldn't recommend doing this indoors. I've used mine to print all sorts, from warhammer bits, to titan proxys.
I've been resin printing for a couple of months, (on a much cheaper machine. I got a mars 3 pro for about £130 i think). There's been some definite troubleshooting, but I feel like I'm getting the hang of it. I decided against it 3-4 years ago because it seemed like the learning curve was too high then, but there's a much more developed community to get help from now.
I definitely wouldn't be printing in my painting space - i am fortunate to have an internal garage where I can keep it out of the way and not be breathing in fumes.
Great video Guy and Hattie. Appreciate it.
I wish I could have your Awesome setup!
I know! Ross is truly the dream-maker
I fell in the other way. I started with a resin printer, intending to print a few gray D&D minis. Then all the resin printing videos I was watching started to get me recommendations for mini painting, including a few that made it seem approachable enough to try. After a few years of mini painting, I started to crave an outlet to show off my painted minis which led me to wargaming. But wargaming and miniature painting, while major hobbies of mine in their own right, are still ancillary to my first love: 3D Printing.
That pickle jar is an instant buy, I own the saturn 2 printer and the mercury x wash and cure machines, and the water gets clouded so fast, can only use it once or twice after the first wash before decanting it and cleaning it out.
To minimize the VOC you can place the wash station in a garage or shed and keep the printer and curing station in the house. You could even do the wash out on a balcony.
Best option is to ventilate the room with a good size vent and flow, sheds and garages have poor air circulation and would compound the problem.
Once you get used to the process of 3D printing and managing the toxic chemicals, it does get much better. I was completely put off the first time printing as well.
I use wash water and dispose of it either by boiling it or letting it evaporate outside (depending on the weather). I use a fabric printer enclosure and inline vent fan to exhaust the air outside. Both my combo cleaning/curing station and printer fit in the enclosure. Whenever the enclosure is opened, I turn the vent fan to maximum and turn it down during printing with the zipper open a few inches to assist with the negative pressure (flow-through). There are no perceivable odours from the printing with this setup.
I appreciate the conclusion of this video. 3D printing is definitely not for everyone. I don't blanket recommend it to everyone. The concern of kids and pets being exposed to the toxic chemicals is absolutely a huge concern. I'm fortunate to have a garage I can set everything up in where I can control who goes out there. The wash station I have has an airtight lid and I wear glasses, gloves, apron, and a respirator whenever I'm doing anything with uncured resin. Folks need to see videos like yours before diving into 3D printing. Its a lot more than just having a corner in a room to set up a printing station. Yeah, I was able to get a printer, computer, all of the stls, resin, and alcohol I needed to print an imperial guard army for what it would have cost to buy one from GW, but there are definitely other costs and concerns to consider.
A year and a half printing using eSun water washable resin. Great, easy, consistent printing. Few to no failures. Ever. And then, over summer, when the weather was warm and humid, every single print I had done developed surface cracks ranging from tiny to catastrophic. That's hundreds of dollars of resin and hundreds of hours of prep and painting etc. I didn't make mistakes in the printing, supporting, hollowing, etc process. Exposure times were optimal. I wasn't over washing. I wasn't over or under curing. I was extensively drying models before curing. Cracks appeared in small models and large models. Hollowed models and unhollowed models. Thin sections of a print and thick sections of a print. So I switched to Elegoo water washable resin. Frustrating, time-wasting, futile attempts at printing. Consistent failures. I've leveled and re-leveled the build plate, checked the FEP, the room is constantly at or around optimal temperature, the exposure settings are optimal. I've adjusted all the print parameters to try and prevent bed adhesion issues, and spent countless hours liaising with Elegoo support. The subset of models that have printed properly look good, but I'm scared to invest any more time into prepping or painting them because I don't know if these models, like those printed with eSun resin, won't crack during a warm humid summer. Non water-washable resins are out of the question for the toxic fumes evolved during washing with alcohol.
Ive got a resin 3D printer in mothballs at the moment after moving home, but I wont be unpacking it until I can have a dedicated fume hood in my shed or spare room. Like you said, the idea of these toxic liquids in a residential setting is scary, and in a workplace I would demand PPE and CoSH handling regs / eye wash stations etc. The VoCs arent the scariest bit for me though. The worst case scenario is either vision loss through one careless splash or eye rub, or a gradual bioaccumulation that causes a BPA allergy. BPA is in so many plastic products that it can seriously impqct your quality of life forever, and people trivialise the risks around these materials. I applaud your cautious attitude with this stuff. My brother did away with his resin printer as soon as children and dogs were in the equation for the same reasons.
It seems like a big opportunity for printers to make stuff for hobbyists to buy online. I don't have the space or time to add 3-D printing to my hobby, but I have bought printed minis and love how the technology has advanced.
Its a TITAN!! melted my heart ❤❤ btw amazing vid guy got me inspired to learn 3d printing my self😊😊
Guy, I had the same experiences and concerns about resin printing. The best advice I can give BY FAR is to lose the mentholated-spirits as your cleaning agent (mineral-spirits or paint-thinner in the US.) I started painting models with enamels (and lacquers,) in the 1960s and that stuff WILL eventually mess you up. I use acrylics now. To clean my resin parts I use alcohol, with ventilation, or better, water soluble resin and LA's Totally Awesome Cleaner, the stuff eBay Miniatures Rescues, and I, use for ultrasonic paint stripping. You'll find an equivalent in the UK--Some all-purpose cleaner that comes in jugs. Having a good printer like yours is a must. I upgraded to a Photon D2 with the DLP technology and it's made a huge difference for me. I've been a subscriber for a long time. I marathon the Blackstone Fortress series now and again. It has an uplifting, relaxing vibe. Now, Please get on with the HeroQuest series!
Thanks for the amazing videos Guy. You're an absolute blast to listen to, to see and to learn from. Thank you for being my favorite Hobby Channel.
Quick question, although I doubt it changes much, but would it be more effective (and prolong the rinsing station's liquid) if you remove the supports before washing?
I could not agree more with your sentiment. Unless one has dedicated workshop / hobby room that has great ventilation or even a ventilation system, i cannot recommend getting into resin printing. Sold my Mars 3 after realizing that the whole cleanup is just not for me. I think people underestimate this part, e.g. the resin-stained gloves, paper towel all release the resin fumes. Such a shame, there are so many amazing stls out there.
Yeah, absolutely... although with how many low-fume/water washable things out now compared with 3 or 4 years ago, maybe in another couple of years we'll truly be at the "anyone can do this" zone?
@@MidwinterMinisThe water washable resin actually worries me. The amount of people just washing it in the sink and letting it go down in our drinking water is not only worrying health-wise but also an environmental hazard.
And also illegal. At least in Germany. You also should not dispose of uncured resin in General trash. In theory it should go into hazard waste.@@Drew17181.
I honestly love my sonic mighty K. Never had an issue with prints. Changed my love for the hobby. And yes, you have to be very careful. Enjoyed the both sides of the coin video. I couldn't imagine going back.
I have the elegoo mars 3 printer and anycubic wash and cure station, and use elegoo's water washable resin. It's all in the garage, so away from general family traffic. While I don't do a lot of 3d printing, and so far it has mostly not been minis or gaming hobby related, I've found it relatively straightforward to set up and use with consistent results.
I have a bunch of cool stuff to print, but it would only get added to the paint queue, and increase that pile of shame, so it is mostly just lurking, waiting for me to want to paint something different.
I went from cheap FDM printer to a good resin set up and I also was worried about VOC fumes as my set up is in my office. Like you said I found it strange how 98% of the VOCs produced was during the cleaning process with IPA being the worst of the bunch. I have a Phrozen printer so I don't have a heated vat so what I do is open windows while cleaning (which I do in bigger batches, keeping unclean models in an old cardboard box) then run a space heater prior and during prints. Also, I have an air filter or two running all the time.