To rape is to assert dominance and to tame the victim, much like taming wild animals with their own will and nature. You could consider rape to be one of the essential practices for "taming" women.
To the viewers from eastern Europe, do note that due to the Ash-urn culture being prevalent among Slavic people during the early medieval period it's difficult to make many findings in regards to human-animal co-burials. We do have some examples from Croatia where Bull-skulls and Wolf-skulls (both notably animals associated with Veles despite the population predominantly worshiping Perun) were buried near ash-urns and skeletons. Horse burials are rare and exclusive to warrior graves... The horse skelletons in question were also usually female. We also see some graves of individuals of non-European origins (east Asian) who show signs of malnutrition, abrasions on their wrists and ankles that indicate bindings, intentional skull deformation (elongation) and most notably what is a (very regular) cause of death by a bludgeoning instrument striking the head such as a mace or hammer. Whether they were human sacrifices or simply captives is still being called into question (all of these findings are contained to the 6th century). The presence of human findings with ''Oriental'' features in this area ceases all the way to the period of the Mongol invasion during the reign of King Bella the IVth.
Good, comprehensive documentary. Not a fan of these customs. Saxo Grammaticus wrote how at one point the Danes had subjugated the Saxons and exacted a tribute of 100 snow-white horses for every successive Danish king and Saxon chieftain.
Yes but you knew your King was no coward if he mounts a horse, roasts its flesh and shares the meat with everyone present! That takes the kind of commitment that no monk could ever understand. Hahahaha! Yayati mentioned in the Vedas who some claim to be the forefather of Odin was famous for his bravery in battle and the completion of the Ashvameda Sacrifice. It was said that this great sacrifice to the gods was rare since many kings and rulers attempted this difficult feat and were unable to meet its requirements.
@@izzyj.1079 That is a matter of opinion and a perspective which comes from a culturally bound value system. I do not condone sacrifices of animals or humans. That is superstitious and cruel. I would not recommend having sex with a horse. We need to understand without judgement the minds of the peoples from those cultures and the context of the times they were living in. The world was a violent and dangerous place a man must be committed to the safety and welfare of his people or he would not make a good leader. If a man longed for a life in the spiritual world and was not committed to his life here on earth he would be weak and indecisive at a time when the use of force and ruthless power was necessary to protect and promote the life of his people. Dreamers and Monks do not make good Kings.
@@michaeljensen4650 What exactly does being decisive in, say, a time of war have to do with zoophilia and rape? I'm genuinely curios how one draws a connection between the two. Why do we study history? Ideally, to learn from their accomplishments, and more importantly from their mistakes so that they aren't repeated. The entire point of studying peoples of the past is to judge them. So I do. That isn't to say context doesn't matter of course, but we should not forget thr context of the present either
All contemporary Nordics are horse girls, we must select mates on the basis of horse girl tendencies present in the genes for the sake of our survival, they will be extremely necessary soon
The parallels between the horse sacrifice (particularly of white stallions) and the sexual element, with the folklore of the Unicorn and the need for it to be captured by a virgin, are very interesting.
Especially if we take into the consideration the potential shared meaning of that word for breaking/taming/r-word (thanks TH-cam). Makes lots of sense in context of Roman glorification of the act
@@johndelong5574 we use prisons for that. Full of people that hate sexual offenders of any kind (not counting those that screw other inmates, it doesn't count as rape)
@@towerswe it's possible but hard to confirm. I've actually seen a "unicorn" (deer with a bony protrusion at the center of its head, wasn't sharp or corkscrew-y but close enough) on my friend's picture so it might have even originated as a real story. Apparently mutations causing antler related issues are very common in deer, at least that's what she said (in my country hunters are required to identify and cull animals carrying potentially harmful mutations to protect the population when local foresters ask them to. They also should prioritise them when they encounter them during the hunt)
Greetings! The importance of horse rites were also prominent in life of the Ancient Hungarians. According to the "Legend of the White Horse" (which was preserved in the Medieval chronicles: Gesta Hungarorum, Chronicon Pictum) during the Hungarian conquest of the Carpathian Basin Grand Prince Árpád of the Magyars bought Pannonia from the Moravians for a magnificent White Horse. The Magyars sacrficed horses on various occasions, for example before wars and during burials, and they also ate the meat of the sacrificed animal. Hungarian folklore also preserved a tale ("Fehérlófia" - Son of the White Horse) in which a white mare gave birth to a hero who gained his power by suckling the horse's milk. During the Christianization of the Hungarians in the 11th century, the consumption of horse meat was strictly prohibited which also hints the importance horse sacrifices. Of course this is not surprising at all since they were a horse people from the steppes, and it is known that horse rites were also important to the Uralic and Altaic peoples. But the Magyars were living together with various nomad nations for a really long time, including Indo-Iranians. It is also quite possible and suggeted by some scholars that Indo-Iranic peoples played a large role in the ethnogenesis of the ancient Hungarians which strengthen the possibility of cultural transfer. I really enjoyed this video also, keep up the good work! And I wish you a happy new year!
It's difficult as a modern person to understand ancient origins of word and language. During those times to be sexually merged was to take mutual responsibility for that binding. The social leverage of married or unmarried status was real, during those days a "you break it, you buy it" was possibly the best anyone could ask for. Who else would step in at that point to fulfill the role? The social stigma on him would remain and the town would punish him or alienate him for further transgression.
Happy New Years Survive The Jive. There's a number of fascinating burials with horses that have been sacrificed. The white horse is an very old symbol indeed and to a degree carried on into the early medieval burial practices. I once had the oppurtunity to ride a Celtic chariot was one hell of a ride. Take care and keep safe folks.
I used to live in the Camargue rejoin of France where they have bred pure white horses for millennia. When you see them running wild in the marshes it’s understandable that early humans revered them.
The white horses cut into the hills of Britiain are a fantastic example of this part of our hertitage. I remember seeing these as a kid and it really captivated my imagination.
@@johndelong5574 the early christians saw the value of our pagan heritage. Many of our old oral traditions were written down by monks. This is not about chistanity vs paganism, it's about understanding who we are.
Also for the Slavs, the horse was an important and venerated animal. For example tribe of Rugians from the isle of Rugia used to keep a holy white stallion. The holy stallion was never worked or ridden and only used to foresee the future during the act of divination. Slavs from Russia used to sacrifice horses to tame aquatic demons by throwing a cut off horse head into the lake or river.
@Suebian There's still a lot of debate on what tribes were actually Slavic or Germanic. You could argue that most of the official history of Eastern Slavs was written during the reign of ethnically German Catherine II by German researchers and historians, so even the Varangian (Normanist) theory of Rus' statehood could be a lie to justify the Germanic rule over Slavs.
@Suebian there is a chance that Slavs absorbed and assimilated some of the Germanic population including the name. Germans in Prussia much later exterminated and assimilated original Prusians and took their name.
Aryans first came to Eurasia from South-Central Asia or the Himalayan range. They were a horseman nomadic tribe of Indo-Iranian origin. And they brought Sanskrit languages with them.
Christians: "Our Blessed Savior will arrive, shining like the sun, riding a white horse!" Pagan: "Oh, gods! Please, No more!" Christians: "-So will all his saints!" Pagan: (covers eyes) "How can you be so perverted!"
@@jasonbelstone3427 Hindus believe that the tenth incarnation of Vishnu will come at the end of the Kali Yuga... riding on a White Horse. So it's really not an alien concept to pagans.
@@toreschanke4086 I also would argue against "stole", but simply because nothing is original, specially in fiction/mythology. Every aspect of every religion is a bunch of concepts, teachings, myths, figures of speech and etc that already existed before and were combined in a certain way by a certain group of people. If you go back far enough, you would probably find the real life events thats inspired such tales, like the theory that flood-myths of mediterranean religions is the oral memory from the end of the Ice Age and the rising of the seas. So, christianism didnt "stole", it simply combined existing things, like every other religion before it.
In Polish to tame a horse is "udamawiać" read like udamaviat' (damayati in sanskrit) so it's very similar but it means literally "to house" it, to put it home (dom-home/house) 🤔 Btw I've been in a folk dance group for 11 years and I can tell you... The percent of songs in which horse means sexual stuff is about 95%
This is really outstanding, and having produced a few videos myself, I appreciate the amount of work that went into it. Many more hours than most people realize. Excellent synthesis and presentation of complex concepts.
@@Survivethejive was a good one. but u need to knoiw, that horse in funeral means huns, hungarian magyars, its a fact huns are sons of white horse, human is a horse, odd todd mammal, 5 nails apa ló= horse dad, ancestor=apollo the sun god without hun language its quite baal shit, bullshit kabala hun word= soul horse, inner horse, my name bala-ish=white bala/alba/baal=white hittites were hungarian magyars, siculy székely szaka szőke/blond...
Why was horse eating banned by the Norman conquerors of England? Was this to sever us from our ancestral icons in a similar way to St George becoming patron saint and depicted as slaying the Saxon White Dragon?
@@NoName-lo9ym presumably, if it's the norman conquerors, it was part of the economic reforms that enforced and promoted a feudal system. Horses were very important for the norman military so they probably needed as few as possible to be killed. It's also why they taxed the hell out of slaves, so that serfdom would become more popular (at least that was the effect of the tax). This made England's system more like france's, which the Normans would have already been used to. That's my not very educated guess
@@jayasuryangoral-maanyan3901 I think you've probably nailed it there regarding the horses. The Saxons were not known for deploying trained cavalry in war hence a reorganisation of the system to produce more horses for the Norman war machine. Thanks for the reply 👍
@meme LOL, no doubt. But you can train any animal to do anything. Yet it does seem strange to me that the subject of animal - sex is so taboo, especially since almost worldwide now, all barnyard animals and many pets are impregnated using AI. Males are masturbated to collect sperm, females then have some of that sperm injected into them using a syringe. Human hands and arms are regularly inserted into vagina's and rectums and penis's are stroked by human hands on the reg. Ofc it's not done for human sexual gratification, but still. AI is even done to chickens and Turkeys!
@@censoredbyyoutubeagain4569 I think anyone who fixates on one type of animal and one only are a bit odd. Same with anyone who hates one particular kind (with the exception of mosquitoes)
@@chrissibersky4617 Thank you Chris , I don't know Shakespeare. I know it was Henry 8th that said it, maybe he was quoting Shakespeare, so we will still stay friends. Have a good day. Greetings. Winifred Thompson, Lisburn, Co.Antrim, Northern Ireland.
The ancient Saturnalia of the early Republic was somewhat similar to some of the eastern IE human and horse sacrifices, as a man was chosen by lot to wander wherever he wished and was allowed to do anything he liked...until the last day of the Saturnalia in which he was required to cut his own throat on an altar to Saturn.
I wonder the type of individual they would choose. Perhaps he or she would volunteer, like the servant woman of a Viking king who passed away. She would sacrifice herself so as to remain loyal to the king into the afterlife.
@@carmichaelree They would doll it up like it was an honour, though in those days you didn't live to a ripe old age, so maybe they got someone on the turn.
I just want to note that also in the Kizil caves in China, there is a mural dated to around the times of the Tocharians and Iranians when they inhabited the area with the mural saying “very smart horse who sacrifices himself for his king.” So possibly tocharians could’ve also practiced horse rituals.
Gore Vidal in his novel Creation includes a Horse Sacrfice with some of the more intimate aspects not omitted. I was a bit shocked when I first read as a naive kid. Great novel by the way
@@OhGreatSwami i've read it a few times as there is so much historical info to take in that I inevitably need to put the book down and read up on etymology of names, who was ruling what kingdom in the axial age etc. Gore Vidal is a great author
I do wonder what The Aryan sages meant when they said this, "Do not kill this one hoofed animal who neighs and moves faster than any other animal"- Yajurveda 13.48 When they were actually contradicting their very own Indo European tradition 🤔
Yes ..and I wonder if it's symbolic..like how other aspects of yajnas are symbolic.. when we do ahwaana then it's symbolic that shiva s come isn't it..he s not actually going to come to the agni kund 😂
@@aishwaryasitaram2227 ofc its symbolic. Take the following verse "Looking for the head of the horse which is located in the mountain of existence, he found it in the inner heart"- Rigveda 1.84.14, Taittiriya Brahmana 1.5.8.2
@@sirfin459exactly. Do you really believe these people sitting at authority sprouting and repeating what the nonchalant flaky and dusty old western “historians” translated of the Sanskrit texts? Do you think they know better than the brahmins who actually officiate these yagnya?
when the american Indians when they got the horse it became part of the ritual and burial sacrificed. it not like this but the horse becomes important to group and people who encounter them.
I've seen some articles online saying the Indians might have already had horses and the original American horses didn't die out in the ice age like we thought they did interesting stuff
@Thatvikingguy Some Amerindian tribes did eat horses, Apaches? But others did not. There's an account of some white explorers traveling through the north west who had to kill some of their horses for food. Some local indians visited their camp and were offered some of the cooked horse meat which they took and started eating, but when they realized it was horse meat, spat it out in disgust.
The horse riding twins in Norse mythology is also in Indic myth as well. They're called Ashwini twins. Ashwin means rider or knight, a title given to nobility. There's a cricketer even who bears this name R. Ashwin.
It is more likely a symbolic rather than actual, because i don't think that the sexual intercourse between woman and a stallion is possivle And there is no archaelogical evidence that humans were ever sacrificed, Vedic Society, And at 9:25 what is the "obscene" mantra shouted? Can you please elaborate? I read all the referenced verses and there is no word that says that mantras were obscene?
Tom at 7:56 the way you said indra is the PERFECT way of pronunciation. Thats how the Sanskrit words with the a at the end should be pronounced. With a short a at the end. Perfect. Not too long aaaa like most people say (indraaa). And not complete deletetion of short a like modern speakers of indian language say (indr) Same is true to all the words with short a at the end. Yoga Veda Varuna Just a short little a like you said and not a full aaa You should learn Sanskrit tom.
Inbreeding has bedeviled royal bloodlines the world over ever since royalty was invented. Ask the ancient Egyptians! Charles & Anne... and their parents tbh, really aren't put together properly. Diana was meant to fix this. She even said she felt like a brood mare!. So now the kids are trying to fix things with genes from further afield. Hybrid vigour isn't just for plants! Now you know where the name "chinless wonder" comes from! It's actually an observation of the British (for British read Norman) ruling class. There was a time just after the Norman conquest that about 12 brothers & 1st cousins ran the whole country. And they weren't exactly "genetically healthy" when they arrived here. It's been inbreeding that has kept these families at the top. As well as keeping titles & land in a very small gene pool!
The referenced texts had been translated by English scholars, not by Indian brahmin scholars which could give more insights and explanations. If you study Indian texts and history from English scholars, it is certainly weird and not certainly accurate. If you want to know more accurate history of vedic culture, you have to inquire from vedic priests, not from English scholars.
English scholars were the first to recognise that Sanskrit was an Indo-European language, and the existince of Dravidian language. The dating of the Rigveda is only possible thanks to Western linguistics. Modern Brahminical interpretation of the Rigveda is highly divergent from the original meaning of the text so to claim it is more reliable is not plausible. Brahmins do not possess superior linguistic knowledge to other people!
@@Survivethejive Yes, many brahmins know Sanskrit and the meaning of the verses much better than any scholar from abroad. Why? Because it's a science of vedic knowledge which is passed from gurus/teachers to disciples and no scholar can understand the science without a guru. The first condition to understand vedic texts properly is to learn from a teacher. Not just to learn Sanskrit and translate the texts without proper understanding... it will lead to misinterpretations.
@@tomashromnik108 On the contrary, Indian religious philosophy has changed a lot over the last 3000 years hence there are many schools of thought. The Rigveda endorses animal sacrifice and eating beef so evidently Brahmins are not practicing the same relgion as is expressed in the RigVeda
@@Survivethejive yes it changes according to time and circumstances. It is described in the Srimad Bhagavatam why the sacrifices are not applicable in Kali Yuga and why the only functioning sacrifice is changing of The Holy Names of God. People are so spiritually degraded nowadays that they are not able to perform such big sacrifices as in previous age Dwapara Yuga. So they can at least chant God's names every day. It is hardly possible to do any other sacrifice every day and no other sacrifice is not recommended for Kali Yuga than chanting Holy Names of God.
This is mind blowing. Thank you for not holding back on the horrific details. So interesting to put the White Horse in context. Could this be the coding behind Pegasus and how Pegasus sprung from the head of vanquished Medusa, Chimera or other such monster - assuming that being rival tribes would be remembers as monsters such as Grenvil.
@Christian Landgrave The meaning varies. I've read accounts of natives in India commenting on disabled persons saying 'they must have done something terrible in a past life'. Suggesting this is their punishment. Other natives in surrounding regions have a different opinion of what Karma means.
In ancient Rome, the festival of the October Horse was both sacrifice to Mars and the end of the harvest season. It is fascinating to see the possible ancestral connections between cultures so separated.
Our great western civilization was built on the back of the horse; we used to rely on horses up until the mid 19th century. It's a shame that we lost our connection to these animals.
It's amazing how not a single Hindu word has been pronounced correctly. It would've been better if he had practiced correct pronunciation before the video or at least done a voice over. I'm a Hindu but never came across a single Hindu legend of human sacrifice in my entire life.
Have you ever read the Rigveda? No, I thought so. In my family (all Indians) I am the only one who has read it! Go and read it first, then we will have an debate about: ashwamedha, purushamedha, eating meat, the description of the Aryans, what the Aryans thought about the Dravidas and the Pantheon described in the Rigveda.
most hindus does not even know what hinduism is or what does and Hindu mean? Lol forget not hearing about this, you don't know what is hinduism and what is not hinduism
Human sacrificed even happened in 18 hundreds. The place where I'm from has a temple where it took place. Humans were sacrificed by kings during Kali Puja. It was called narabali. But later the British banned it. So they instead perform pashubali(animal sacrifice). Which still exist to this day.
Absolutely spectacular content. Tremendous wealth of knowledge with research done within. A gem of a channel amongst all other TH-cams. Don't stop and keep going. A handful of people out there appreciate the time you spend researching and editing everything a great amount. Thanks for the content. This is the type of video I would say deserves every view it has and a lot more. I particularly enjoy the ones where scenery and relevant aesthetics are presented instead of your talking face. Nothing against your face - just that I like to more easily envision the subject matter instead of watching someone talk to a camera.
Does Spartacus killing his own horse in his last battle can be seen as a sacrificial. In some part in East Asia there is a sacrificial horse infront of a stone pillar being called Yupa in such Kingdom as the Satavahana, Kamarupa and Kutai kingdom, and if I'm not wrong they have is also in Ireland or maybe in China.
As messed up as the sexual implications with the mare are, I'm just as confused as to how xD my dad was a vet and we've done ultrasounding on mares a lot, if a mare is not in heat or is not receptive, she is not gonna let you near her private parts. She'll kick and toss, I've been bitten before by a mare that didn't like the ultrasound machine. Female horses are very difficult to deal with sometimes, they can be far more aggressive than males when it comes to her foal or her heat cycle. I can't imagine the number of kings who got their legs broken by an angry mare while trying to... yeah you get the picture.
@@Survivethejive fair enough but that still leaves the question of how somebody does that to a mare by himself, himself I'm assuming since that's what the depictions show. Which I suppose we may never understand that and I suppose I really don't want to understand that xD some things are better left outside of my understanding
@@Salt0fTheEarth 💥🤯😡🔫, The few times you hope that eternal hellfire actually exists. I thought by the time I've watched 3🚶♂️1🔨, mexican cartel and necklacing videos I'd be immune to this, but that's another level of injustice. How am I going to treat this PTSD now 😡
@Jake Marsh Nonsense. Any animal can be trained to do anything. Sure helps if they are in heat, but when you look at the way AI is done with almost all animals now? Also, that mare was probably scared of that machine is all, as almost any horse would have been. One of my horses was scared of the tape measure I used to see how tall it was. Took me like thirty minutes to get it used to the tape before I could actually use it, lol.
@@jasonmccombs8123 Don't compare Martin the hack to the genius of Tolkien, please. He may be well versed in the history of medieval England, but he's still a subversive misanthropic scumbag.
Aghnyaa yajamaanasya pashoonpahi -Yajurveda 1.1 "O human, animals are Aghnya i.e.not to be killed " Also Anaagohatya vai bhima krtye maa no gaamasvam purusham badhi Yatrayatraasi nihitaa tatastvotthaa Payaamasi parnaallaghiyasi bhava -Atharva Veda 10.1.29 "Murder of innocents is heinous, o force of sin and mischief. Do not hit, do not kill our cow, HORSE, or person . Where ever you be, covert in our midst, we discover and dislodge you from there. Be lighter than a dead leaf and fly away"
From sources bellow we learn that a) The horse is killed by strangulation b) During ritual Mahishi (chief wife of Raja) is fully penetrated by dead horse. Consider also that killing by strangulation causes involuntary muscle contractions and spontaneous ejaculation. So that Mahishi has full contact!!! ))) 1. "The Horse-Sacrifice in the Taittirīya-Brāhmaṇa: The Eighth and Ninth Prapāṭhakas of the Third Kāṇḍa of the Taittirīya-Brāhmaṇa with Translation" Authors(s): Paul-Emile Dumont www.jstor.org/stable/3143199 2. Stephanie W. Jamison. Sacrificed Wife, Sacrificer's Wife. Women, Ritual and Hospitality in Ancient India, Oxford University Press, 1996, p. 65-88
It's good to remember, this is primarily a history channel; just because it's descriptive of the past, doesn't mean he's necessarily prescribing those practices for us now. 🙂
idk, i dont know what STJ's religious and political affiliations are, but he frequently associates with right wing neopagans and his voice is way too excited in this video
We still practise now,we tantri Hindus or chatria warrior clan our ancient culture whow can we insult our fore father's,we still perform this rituals this our religious customs we inheherited from our ancestors..we are proud of it&defend this practise..
The state flag of Lower Saxony, Germany shows a White Stallion. It's the old Saxon Horse and coat of arms of the old aristocratic family of the Welfen. Very Indo-European indeed.
Things that typical history channels on TH-cam censor in thumbnails: _swastikas, iron crosses, etc._ Things that Survive the Jive censors in thumbnails: *H O R S E C * C K*
Interestingly, the Mongolian Uurga, a 9m long pole with a snare at the end for catching horses sounds quite similar to Odin's byname Yggr (as in askr Yggdrasills = ash of the horse of Yggr) or Rudra's epithet Ugra. Both names mean "the terrible one". It could be that this Mongolian Uurga is an Indo-European loanword with the meaning "to strangle, to tame" because it also sounds like the German "würgen" = to strangle or "Gurgel" = throat. There is perhaps a connection with horrible, protruding, red, eyes (Old Norse ygr = eye; Odin's epithet "Baleygr" = the flame-eyed one) which appear when a man is strangled with a rope because then the blood vessels in the eyes burst (like in Tibetan or Indian masks with horrible red eyes). One method to tame wild reindeer and horses is to tie them to a stake and feed them until they get used to the rider. And according to medieval beliefs, a gallows rope had the power to tame wild horses. The world tree tamed therefore the wild Odin, or his horse, in which he/it was tied to the tree. The linguistic connection of bridle, noose, knot, eye, stake, tree, beam, pillar, gallows, cross, crucifying, horse/donkey (as soul animals), breath, wind, soul, divine soul, sun, strangle, tame, fix, and anchor goes much further.
Recently learned that the name for Odin translates into 'the furious one'. At least in Dutch. Old Dutch name for Odin is Wodan (like German Wotan) and the old word for 'being angry' is 'woedend'. And so it follows that Wodan comes from Woed(furious) + an (being) So in old Norse the 'od' in Odin might mean the same thing.
@@fartz3808 Yes, Wotan is old Germanic. In the younger Old Norse, the initial W was dropped because of its linguistic development. The Indian equivalent to Wotan (besides Rudra/Shiva and Vayu) is the storm god Vata. He has the same root. Besides anger, it is also the root of engl. wit (mind, humor), and means inspiration/mental arousal.
@@fartz3808 Beside Wotan/Vata and Yggr/Ugra here is a third common Indo-European name for this god: Lithuanian/Latvian velnias = god of the dead, veles = souls of the dead; Slav. veles = god of the dead; old norse Odin valfödr = father of the fallen, valhöll = hall of the fallen, valkyria = maiden of battle, valr = fallen worrier; germ. wala = dead, wal = battlefield, wolf = ripper, slayer; lat. vellere = pluck, vulnus = wound, perhaps veiovis, vediovis, vedius = ruler of the underworld; from indo-european *uel- = to tear, to pluck, to kill; thus the ripper, "lord of the dead".
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I fear there is a certain bias you're placing here. At least a surety that's questionable as Historians and Archeologist agree, we cannot undrrstand fully the past or what the context of living im those times was to a absolute certainty, as we have no context to what it was to like to live in those ages or in those cultures. We often miscast even recent History thats often more recorded and sourced...I would hope there isn't an Agenda thats subtextual as thats not History, thats easily Propaganda, and I give you the benefit of the doubt here...
You know what? I've always thought that the sacrifice of children to Ba'al of the Phoenicians were some of the worst rituals in history. Now I've changed my mind lol these Proto Indo Europeans be wildin'..
iirc there exists further scriptural evidence for the queen not being penetrated by the horse in the Asvamedha Yajna. For example, in the Ramayana, Lord Rama uses a golden statue of his queen in lieu of Sita Herself, because she’d been exiled. I really don’t see a stallion being able to penetrate a golden statue lol. It also suggests that the rite of having your wife get under the covers with horse was more symbolic and had less actual metaphysical significance, considering u could do the rite without your actual wife present. The Saptarishi Vashishta was the head priest presiding over Lord Rama’s Asvamedha Yajna as well
@@Survivethejive while that is true enuf, many concurrent jurisprudential documents written in the Vedic era as well as those after it often echo the notion of sex being purely for the sake of procreation as opposed to pleasure. There even exist rites for atonement and penance for men who have consciously ejaculated in anywhere other than a vagina while awake. I’m thinking that this sexual morality would surely have been present in the time which this rite was being recorded
@Hobo A wife under the covers with a horse was most likely symbolic. Because getting a male horse to get a hard on is more difficult than most people think. It usually requires a female in heat very close by, that the male can see and smell. Though it seems some male horses can be trained to get hard via stroking since AI for farm animals is a very common practice world wide now. Males are masturbated to collect sperm, females then have some of that sperm injected into them using a syringe. AI is even done to chickens and Turkeys!
@@Survivethejive Not quite. The ritual in the Ramayana is pretty close to the one described in the YV. The ritual portion with the queen was at most a mimetic one, not an act that was really carried out. Furthermore, the officiating priests had to recite purificatory verses after this portion of the ritual was complete in order to prevent the ritual from being fruitless. Plus, there also seems to be some evidence that the queen's portion of the ritual is a later addition to the Ashvamedha which originally had only the horse being killed. Jamison alludes to this in her translation of the Rigveda.
There is also plenty of archeological evidence from Thracian burial rituals including a chariot, horses, dogs and in some cases a chariot rider. Check out the chariots from Karanovo and Sveshtari.
Aryans first came to Eurasia from South-Central Asia or the Himalayan range. They were a horseman nomadic tribe of Indo-Iranian origin. And they brought Sanskrit language with them.
Sorry but Himalayas are not a fit place for domesticating the horse and neither are horses native to Himalayas. Of course,they are found in the Eurasian Steppe.
What you said about the ritual literally being a public test of a king's power over cosmic forces that threaten every man and similarly every civilization is exactly the point! And I don't think anyone has put it into words. Thank you.
There are great examples of the significance of the ritual sacrifice of horses and concubines/wifes at kings burials in the culture and religion of the Thracian tribes as well. While we lack a lot indigenous data on their religious beliefs, we have the archeological findings and Ancient greek testimonies which corroborate the lasting legacy of the Proto Indo-European beliefs in the Thracian tribes.
Quite informative, but the wrong video to watch before bed. I'm sure to have strange dreams. The Ancient's were... well... Not us. This is all very nutty..... Great for nightmare material. lol
Read Peter Shaffer’s Equus to get an idea of the role that sex and restorative sacrifice played in spirituality in these more fecund times. (This was a truly brilliant production by the way. Thank you.)
@@Survivethejive Thanks, Tom. I should’ve guessed! I’ve been hooked on your work since the early days. Time I got around to shopping for some STJ gear...
He (the first purusha or Brahman) desired "let this (his body) be fit for sacrifice(medha) and let me be embodied by it". Then he became a horse as it swelled. He thought, it has become fit for sacrifice. Hence, the horse sacrifice is called as Aswamedha.
It's crazy; when I watch your videos, I always feel a connection to what you're saying; as if I've had all these thoughts, ideas and feelings in my head already. Whenever I watch your videos, I think to myself 'ohh, this IS where I come from!'
Sorry, dude but some of these arguments are too far fetched. Religious practices will vary alot over time and place, especially if they aren't written down which often blurs out the whole continuity. So you can't say much about the original Proto-Indoeuropean rites. Sorry. Take for example the Kiviks grave (which s NOT a king''s grave even though it was erroneously named this before it was excavated). It was constructed around 1400 BC, the distance from this date to the attack on Lindisfarne is longer than the distance from Lindisfarne to our age. The pictures on this grave can thus NOT tell us viking era rites, or viking age mythology and viking era mythology can't tell us much about the Kivik grave pictures. Nordic Bronze age kingdoms was basically destroyed by the introduction of the mining of bog Iron (anybody could mine and make a sword, you didn't need the trade networks of a King to get tin and copper from far off places - you can just make a sword yourself and kill the king), so there was surprisingly little cultural continuity here in the worship. But you're absolutely right that horse sacrifice was extremely important to the Proto Indo-Europeans and the areas they conquered. The Proto Indo-European were the first people who conquered large lands with horses. That is indisputed and that is their REAL superpower and why their language family is so huge even today. Horses were an extremely important part of life, everything in society was built around horses. Ownership of horses WAS basically wealth, so sacrificing a horse would be a natural way to make a trade with the gods. It was indeed a huge sacrifice, like burning 100 of your personal Tesla cars today. This is why you see horse sacrifice across geographic areas and time periods in traditional horseriding cultures, but it does in no way prove how the Proto-indo-european rites were constructed. What's really going on here is simply a spread out variation of horse related rites, while some are sexual and some are violent, and some are totally different. The span of time and distance makes it hard to tell us much about the original Proto-Indo-european rites except that horse sacrifice were their thing. But the rites would have changed alot since they were first introduced. What survived from this culture today except language is horses and beer - but we don't drink gruely viking age Braggot beer(unhopped mix of malts and honey) today. We drink pabst blue ribbon and sour beer IPA. We have the Kentucky derby instead of horse fights. Things change while the structures remains the same.
2000 years is too long for a religion and it's rites to carry on? How many years has the cross been a religious symbol in Europe? 1700 years so far, I should think. The religion it self is 2000 years. And Christianity is based on judaism that is based on even older middle east religions.
@@Carloshache And why do you think they cut those pictures in the stones? And if you have it cut in stone, horses pulling the sun, I think it's much less to change into goats pulling the moon than if it was written on paper and had to be rewritten every now and then. They had systems to remember details too that we don't use today. Like the zodiac. Their ability to remember stories with accuracy were no problem because they followed the sky and that never change. It was not a game of chinese whispers. They also had regional stories about every lake and hill and many has survived into our time. Some of those local stories has been proven to be over a thousand ears old. I know about one local legend, a ghost story no one thought was very old that got proven to be over a thousand years old with great accuracy.
The horse is the symbol of a commoner (worker) in Mongolia. Everyman had a horse. Yet a commoner never buried with his horse - only a nobleman/woman is buried with a horse. Why? common people are poor and (materialistic) reality thinkers - riding a horse into heaven? Nah, my commoner dad may walk! I need a horse here more. Video shows some Nobility were hideous in their beliefs :P
Your nobles were most likely descended (in part) from Aryan invaders. That's probably why they had this exclusive custom, more similar to other Aryans than to common Mongolians.
@@mooseolini1447 What mind you call "lower class" depends. Sacrificing a horse then sharing the meat is such a dog tradition = poor ppl & their hungry mind. If rulers are lunatics like Aryans, the Middle-class way is the best way. Nowadays self-aware modern shaman practices "Set-free sacrifice = Seter" - where a horse is given a blue prayer scarf and set free in a wild. If gods want it (probably the poor will catch it and eat it - in secret) the free horse will be taken -ideally by wolves. I wish to dissociate myself from such horse RIPing Ancients :P
25:00 just wanted to add something interesting. Sprinkling blood was equivalent to providing blessings, so much so that the modern word "blessing" itself comes from the old English word "bletsen" which means "to consecrate with blood"
I really like this video,I also am very interested in the Indo-european culture that our ancestors had,in many ways the Roman practice of syncretism had the right idea behind it..
From the Wikipedia article on Eamhain Mhacha "Macha was a sovereignty goddess" You completely left out the concept of the hieros gamos of "divine marriage" between the king and the land, where the horse (mare) represents the goddess, and the king (the son of the god), through the act of sex, consummates the divine union between heaven and earth. Thereby ensuring the sovereignty of the king, but also of the people, over the land. When the Mllesians came to the land of Ireland, each of the goddess Éire, Banbha and Fódla give a kiss to the king (i.e. have sex with him) and he promises to name the land after them. These three sexual acts, with three goddesses (the same triune goddess) for him to become king, and therefore have sovereignty over the land of Ireland. It's not bestiality if you're having sex with a god or goddess. Divine kingship meant the king was not a mortal, but the avatar of the Sky god on earth. Cúchulainn was the son of Finn MacCumhaill, Hercules the son of Zeus, Sigurd the son of Wotan. Why in India did the king have to seize the land if the horse walked on it? Why did some kings in Gaul have to be carried on a shield, least he touch the ground with his foot, and thereby claim it? PS In the 16th century, when Hugh O'Neil when declared himself High King Ireland, he performed the ancient rituals of High Kingship, "unspeakable acts" with a horse to quote one disgusted Englishman. PPS I have seen India art of a King having sex with a horse, so at sometime in the past, it was done there too.
Excellent point that was omitted from the video! As a quick correction, Cuchulainn was the son of Lugh not Fionn. Fionn's tales happen quite a bit after Cuchulainn's death. Also Sigurd was a descendant of Odin, not his son.
About the Völsa Thattr veneration of a horse penis, it's clairly described as anecdotic and exclusively from this farm, since it is told as an idea from the family mother, making it clear that it wasnt a spread custom, so it's just a coincidence
Do a video on the future of the Indo-European races/peoples. I watched some videos that said they would disappear as humanity became highly mixed race. I think that will not happen due to tribalism. Would like to know what are your thoughts on the topic.
Things that are yet to happen doesn't full in the category of history and archaeology. STJ's field is one focused on how things came to be rather than where they are going.
Brahmans are the ones closest to ancient indoeuropeans in customs and traditions and they are highly intermixed with native indian population genetically despite their efforts otherwise... If you know what I mean
Burger King still continues this tradition
lol
😂
They still sell New Forrest ponies for meat.
*Cursed comment section*
Taco Bell too!
The connection between taming and rape, might be a clue to a possible connection to the term animal husbandry.
To rape is to assert dominance and to tame the victim, much like taming wild animals with their own will and nature. You could consider rape to be one of the essential practices for "taming" women.
@@certifiedsorcerycorp what
@@excessiveone9952 In a patriarchal society rape is one of the many ways to assert dominance over women.
@@certifiedsorcerycorp yet you fail to condemn it and only mention it. That's morally wrong.
@@fighttheevilrobots3417 He never said anything about it being good, just that the concepts and thus the simulation etymology may well be linked.
To the viewers from eastern Europe, do note that due to the Ash-urn culture being prevalent among Slavic people during the early medieval period it's difficult to make many findings in regards to human-animal co-burials.
We do have some examples from Croatia where Bull-skulls and Wolf-skulls (both notably animals associated with Veles despite the population predominantly worshiping Perun) were buried near ash-urns and skeletons.
Horse burials are rare and exclusive to warrior graves... The horse skelletons in question were also usually female.
We also see some graves of individuals of non-European origins (east Asian) who show signs of malnutrition, abrasions on their wrists and ankles that indicate bindings, intentional skull deformation (elongation) and most notably what is a (very regular) cause of death by a bludgeoning instrument striking the head such as a mace or hammer.
Whether they were human sacrifices or simply captives is still being called into question (all of these findings are contained to the 6th century).
The presence of human findings with ''Oriental'' features in this area ceases all the way to the period of the Mongol invasion during the reign of King Bella the IVth.
Good, comprehensive documentary. Not a fan of these customs.
Saxo Grammaticus wrote how at one point the Danes had subjugated the Saxons and exacted a tribute of 100 snow-white horses for every successive Danish king and Saxon chieftain.
Had you lived at that time, you would have been balls deep...
Interesting! I've finally started doing genealogy and it seems I have a danish line that goes way back. I'll have to take a look at this.
Thank you so much, I've been fascinated with this topic for a long time.
"The Irish tradition"
Imagine how nervous a future Irish king must have been before attending the horse****ing ceremony in presence of his future subjects.
I thought the horse was gonna get peepeepoopooed with the axe 🥵
The Queen got peepeepoopooed by the horse.
The horse sort of was peepeepoopooed in the Irish tradition...Get flexed on.
Monty Python: „Powerful people walking around, sacrificing horses they had sex with is no basis for a system of government!“
Yes but you knew your King was no coward if he mounts a horse, roasts its flesh and shares the meat with everyone present! That takes the kind of commitment that no monk could ever understand. Hahahaha!
Yayati mentioned in the Vedas who some claim to be the forefather of Odin was famous for his bravery in battle and the completion of the Ashvameda Sacrifice. It was said that this great sacrifice to the gods was rare since many kings and rulers attempted this difficult feat and were unable to meet its requirements.
@@michaeljensen4650 That just tells me the peoples that practiced this were somehow more barbaric than I thought
@@izzyj.1079 That is a matter of opinion and a perspective which comes from a culturally bound value system. I do not condone sacrifices of animals or humans. That is superstitious and cruel. I would not recommend having sex with a horse. We need to understand without judgement the minds of the peoples from those cultures and the context of the times they were living in. The world was a violent and dangerous place a man must be committed to the safety and welfare of his people or he would not make a good leader. If a man longed for a life in the spiritual world and was not committed to his life here on earth he would be weak and indecisive at a time when the use of force and ruthless power was necessary to protect and promote the life of his people. Dreamers and Monks do not make good Kings.
I love Monty Python. So funny.
@@michaeljensen4650 What exactly does being decisive in, say, a time of war have to do with zoophilia and rape? I'm genuinely curios how one draws a connection between the two.
Why do we study history? Ideally, to learn from their accomplishments, and more importantly from their mistakes so that they aren't repeated. The entire point of studying peoples of the past is to judge them. So I do. That isn't to say context doesn't matter of course, but we should not forget thr context of the present either
no horse girls allowed
I had to read this 2 times and I was really confused and disgusted the first time but then it clicked and i was like oh ok
Bros before horses
All contemporary Nordics are horse girls, we must select mates on the basis of horse girl tendencies present in the genes for the sake of our survival, they will be extremely necessary soon
@@MiaogisTeas To this day I regret not boning the hell out of a horse girl who wanted it so bad, but I was too shy and demure to make the move.
I always got on with horsegirls myself.
Am reconsidering.
The parallels between the horse sacrifice (particularly of white stallions) and the sexual element, with the folklore of the Unicorn and the need for it to be captured by a virgin, are very interesting.
Especially if we take into the consideration the potential shared meaning of that word for breaking/taming/r-word (thanks TH-cam). Makes lots of sense in context of Roman glorification of the act
Completely intertwined
Especially considering its phallic horn. I never made the connection before, but now it appears obvious (?)
@@johndelong5574 we use prisons for that. Full of people that hate sexual offenders of any kind (not counting those that screw other inmates, it doesn't count as rape)
@@towerswe it's possible but hard to confirm. I've actually seen a "unicorn" (deer with a bony protrusion at the center of its head, wasn't sharp or corkscrew-y but close enough) on my friend's picture so it might have even originated as a real story. Apparently mutations causing antler related issues are very common in deer, at least that's what she said (in my country hunters are required to identify and cull animals carrying potentially harmful mutations to protect the population when local foresters ask them to. They also should prioritise them when they encounter them during the hunt)
Tfw, my gf says she loves horses.
Does she also partake of the stallion ritual?
Be the White Stallion she needs
@@lance-biggums that’s nice... wait. Ride...
Chicca-bow-wow!
Greetings! The importance of horse rites were also prominent in life of the Ancient Hungarians. According to the "Legend of the White Horse" (which was preserved in the Medieval chronicles: Gesta Hungarorum, Chronicon Pictum) during the Hungarian conquest of the Carpathian Basin Grand Prince Árpád of the Magyars bought Pannonia from the Moravians for a magnificent White Horse. The Magyars sacrficed horses on various occasions, for example before wars and during burials, and they also ate the meat of the sacrificed animal. Hungarian folklore also preserved a tale ("Fehérlófia" - Son of the White Horse) in which a white mare gave birth to a hero who gained his power by suckling the horse's milk. During the Christianization of the Hungarians in the 11th century, the consumption of horse meat was strictly prohibited which also hints the importance horse sacrifices.
Of course this is not surprising at all since they were a horse people from the steppes, and it is known that horse rites were also important to the Uralic and Altaic peoples. But the Magyars were living together with various nomad nations for a really long time, including Indo-Iranians. It is also quite possible and suggeted by some scholars that Indo-Iranic peoples played a large role in the ethnogenesis of the ancient Hungarians which strengthen the possibility of cultural transfer.
I really enjoyed this video also, keep up the good work! And I wish you a happy new year!
Meanwhile horse meat is still being cooked and eaten in many parts of Europe.
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So putting Rainbow Dash in a jar is a revival of an ancient tradition?
It appears so my friend.
@@alexander_cromwell Being a Brony is Chad Indo-European Trad.
Very Indo-European
Wtf ancient Greeks had the same word for marry and rape?
Baste
I thought it was “rape” and “abduction” that were the same.
Is it? Maybe It would change perceptions of the "Abduction of Europa by Zeus" !
It's difficult as a modern person to understand ancient origins of word and language. During those times to be sexually merged was to take mutual responsibility for that binding. The social leverage of married or unmarried status was real, during those days a "you break it, you buy it" was possibly the best anyone could ask for. Who else would step in at that point to fulfill the role? The social stigma on him would remain and the town would punish him or alienate him for further transgression.
Modern Spanish has the same word for Marriage and Handcuffs.
Happy New Years Survive The Jive. There's a number of fascinating burials with horses that have been sacrificed. The white horse is an very old symbol indeed and to a degree carried on into the early medieval burial practices. I once had the oppurtunity to ride a Celtic chariot was one hell of a ride. Take care and keep safe folks.
🍺 cheers
@@carmichaelree Cheers indeed 🍻 🍺 👍
I used to live in the Camargue rejoin of France where they have bred pure white horses for millennia. When you see them running wild in the marshes it’s understandable that early humans revered them.
The white horses cut into the hills of Britiain are a fantastic example of this part of our hertitage. I remember seeing these as a kid and it really captivated my imagination.
@Gavin D Meh, I'd take bestiality over state sanctioned paedophilia that the prisons, police, courts and church all seem to keep secret.
@@johndelong5574 the early christians saw the value of our pagan heritage. Many of our old oral traditions were written down by monks. This is not about chistanity vs paganism, it's about understanding who we are.
“Tie me kangaroo down boy...” suddenly has a somewhat suspect ring to it 😳
@@johndelong5574 the descendants of the men who cut white horses into the hills of Britain
@@misdangered4326 people used to joke sing 'fuck a wallaby' after the chorus, there's probably a bunch of those toads in Oz 🤮
Also for the Slavs, the horse was an important and venerated animal. For example tribe of Rugians from the isle of Rugia used to keep a holy white stallion. The holy stallion was never worked or ridden and only used to foresee the future during the act of divination. Slavs from Russia used to sacrifice horses to tame aquatic demons by throwing a cut off horse head into the lake or river.
@Suebian There's still a lot of debate on what tribes were actually Slavic or Germanic. You could argue that most of the official history of Eastern Slavs was written during the reign of ethnically German Catherine II by German researchers and historians, so even the Varangian (Normanist) theory of Rus' statehood could be a lie to justify the Germanic rule over Slavs.
That was a German tribe, according to the chronicles of either Cesar or Tacitus (I can't recall which writer)
@@JoeSmith-sl9bq we are talking about different periods. Im taking about V centuty AC onward. They were most definitly Slavs.
@Suebian there is a chance that Slavs absorbed and assimilated some of the Germanic population including the name. Germans in Prussia much later exterminated and assimilated original Prusians and took their name.
Aryans first came to Eurasia from South-Central Asia or the Himalayan range. They were a horseman nomadic tribe of Indo-Iranian origin. And they brought Sanskrit languages with them.
Christian: "Behold a white horse"
Pagan: "L-lewd"
Christians: "Our Blessed Savior will arrive, shining like the sun, riding a white horse!"
Pagan: "Oh, gods! Please, No more!"
Christians: "-So will all his saints!"
Pagan: (covers eyes) "How can you be so perverted!"
@@jasonbelstone3427 Hindus believe that the tenth incarnation of Vishnu will come at the end of the Kali Yuga... riding on a White Horse. So it's really not an alien concept to pagans.
@@CuFhoirthe88 Yeh, Cristianism stole many concepts from 'pagan' beliefs...
@@toreschanke4086 "stole" is not a term that applies in this dimension. A symbol either has transcendental truth/content or it does not.
@@toreschanke4086 I also would argue against "stole", but simply because nothing is original, specially in fiction/mythology. Every aspect of every religion is a bunch of concepts, teachings, myths, figures of speech and etc that already existed before and were combined in a certain way by a certain group of people. If you go back far enough, you would probably find the real life events thats inspired such tales, like the theory that flood-myths of mediterranean religions is the oral memory from the end of the Ice Age and the rising of the seas.
So, christianism didnt "stole", it simply combined existing things, like every other religion before it.
Wonderful scholarship and documentary.
You've really stepped up your production values Tom. Nicely done!
There are some idioms referring to women as mares especially spirited and flirty women.
@àsper Iapa
@àsper Almost similar to the Tocharian word for horse....interesting.
In Italian a cavalla (mare) is a very sexual attractive or very tall woman.
In German the word mare (Stute) can refer to a lusty women, i think you are onto something here
Interesting. Eastern Slavs would never call an attractive woman "a mare". It's reserved exclusively as an insult.
50 shades of indo-europeans
In Polish to tame a horse is "udamawiać" read like udamaviat' (damayati in sanskrit) so it's very similar but it means literally "to house" it, to put it home (dom-home/house) 🤔
Btw I've been in a folk dance group for 11 years and I can tell you... The percent of songs in which horse means sexual stuff is about 95%
House in Sanskrit is 'Dama:'
Is that a carrot in your pocket or are you just happy to see me??
You mean, 'is that a severed horse phallus in your pocket...'
First for horse chads.
Nice name Reinhard!
@@APioneerInTheSeaOfStars Thanks. Nice avatar!
This is really outstanding, and having produced a few videos myself, I appreciate the amount of work that went into it. Many more hours than most people realize. Excellent synthesis and presentation of complex concepts.
Thanks Jack. Nearly 2 months of work for this one
@@Survivethejive was a good one. but u need to knoiw, that horse in funeral means huns, hungarian magyars, its a fact
huns are sons of white horse, human is a horse, odd todd mammal, 5 nails
apa ló= horse dad, ancestor=apollo the sun god
without hun language its quite baal shit, bullshit
kabala hun word= soul horse, inner horse, my name bala-ish=white
bala/alba/baal=white
hittites were hungarian magyars, siculy székely szaka szőke/blond...
Happy New Year Brethren!
Our New Year is in March tho
I’ve copulated with girls that looked like a horse. I didn’t feel like a king 🤴🏻🤣
You have to ritually sacrifice them after, therein lies your problem.
@@gunschulke my dignity was sacrificed for sure 👌🏻
You're Disgusting 🤢
@@SB-uk5wx the girls can’t resist a good looking #BellBeaker guy though.
Did you give her a carrot?
Is eating horse meat Indo-european approved?
yes
Why was horse eating banned by the Norman conquerors of England? Was this to sever us from our ancestral icons in a similar way to St George becoming patron saint and depicted as slaying the Saxon White Dragon?
@@NoName-lo9ym presumably, if it's the norman conquerors, it was part of the economic reforms that enforced and promoted a feudal system. Horses were very important for the norman military so they probably needed as few as possible to be killed. It's also why they taxed the hell out of slaves, so that serfdom would become more popular (at least that was the effect of the tax). This made England's system more like france's, which the Normans would have already been used to.
That's my not very educated guess
Very much so. Apparently also very good health food for European folks.
@@jayasuryangoral-maanyan3901 I think you've probably nailed it there regarding the horses. The Saxons were not known for deploying trained cavalry in war hence a reorganisation of the system to produce more horses for the Norman war machine. Thanks for the reply 👍
This video has done nothing to alleviate my suspicions of people who say they really "love" horses
@meme LOL, no doubt. But you can train any animal to do anything. Yet it does seem strange to me that the subject of animal - sex is so taboo, especially since almost worldwide now, all barnyard animals and many pets are impregnated using AI. Males are masturbated to collect sperm, females then have some of that sperm injected into them using a syringe. Human hands and arms are regularly inserted into vagina's and rectums and penis's are stroked by human hands on the reg. Ofc it's not done for human sexual gratification, but still. AI is even done to chickens and Turkeys!
i guess horsegirls are just retvrning to tradition
Yup I don’t like people who are dog nuts or horse crazy
@@censoredbyyoutubeagain4569 I think anyone who fixates on one type of animal and one only are a bit odd. Same with anyone who hates one particular kind (with the exception of mosquitoes)
@@amicableenmity9820cannae stand people who hate mosquitoes mate.
Blessing the algorithm
W-what are you doing in my horse steppe-brother?
King Richard:
"A horse, a horse! My kingdom for a horse!"
Hmmm... 🤔
King Henry the 8th was the King that spoke those words, and it's not a hymn. Greetings from Northern Ireland.
@@winifredthompson2470
Ok. I quoted Shakespeare's Richard III so the blame is on him if it's wrong.
@@chrissibersky4617 Thank you Chris , I don't know Shakespeare. I know it was Henry 8th that said it, maybe he was quoting Shakespeare, so we will still stay friends. Have a good day. Greetings. Winifred Thompson, Lisburn, Co.Antrim, Northern Ireland.
@@winifredthompson2470
I think Henry came before Shakespeare.
Of course we'll stay friends.
From a forest in Sweden.
@@chrissibersky4617 on the next episode of ancient aliens, was king Henry the 8th a secret time traveler?
The ancient Saturnalia of the early Republic was somewhat similar to some of the eastern IE human and horse sacrifices, as a man was chosen by lot to wander wherever he wished and was allowed to do anything he liked...until the last day of the Saturnalia in which he was required to cut his own throat on an altar to Saturn.
I wonder the type of individual they would choose. Perhaps he or she would volunteer, like the servant woman of a Viking king who passed away. She would sacrifice herself so as to remain loyal to the king into the afterlife.
Interesting to compare that to the ill-fated Rex Nemorensis.
@@carmichaelree They would doll it up like it was an honour, though in those days you didn't live to a ripe old age, so maybe they got someone on the turn.
I just want to note that also in the Kizil caves in China, there is a mural dated to around the times of the Tocharians and Iranians when they inhabited the area with the mural saying “very smart horse who sacrifices himself for his king.” So possibly tocharians could’ve also practiced horse rituals.
Gore Vidal in his novel Creation includes a Horse Sacrfice with some of the more intimate aspects not omitted. I was a bit shocked when I first read as a naive kid. Great novel by the way
One of my fave historical novels.
@@OhGreatSwami i've read it a few times as there is so much historical info to take in that I inevitably need to put the book down and read up on etymology of names, who was ruling what kingdom in the axial age etc. Gore Vidal is a great author
I do wonder what The Aryan sages meant when they said this,
"Do not kill this one hoofed animal who neighs and moves faster than any other animal"- Yajurveda 13.48
When they were actually contradicting their very own Indo European tradition 🤔
Yes ..and I wonder if it's symbolic..like how other aspects of yajnas are symbolic.. when we do ahwaana then it's symbolic that shiva s come isn't it..he s not actually going to come to the agni kund 😂
@@aishwaryasitaram2227 ofc its symbolic. Take the following verse
"Looking for the head of the horse which is located in the mountain of existence, he found it in the inner heart"- Rigveda 1.84.14, Taittiriya Brahmana 1.5.8.2
@@sirfin459exactly. Do you really believe these people sitting at authority sprouting and repeating what the nonchalant flaky and dusty old western “historians” translated of the Sanskrit texts?
Do you think they know better than the brahmins who actually officiate these yagnya?
when the american Indians when they got the horse it became part of the ritual and burial sacrificed. it not like this but the horse becomes important to group and people who encounter them.
They probably ate the meat raw. Idiots.
@@carmichaelree lmao
I've seen some articles online saying the Indians might have already had horses and the original American horses didn't die out in the ice age like we thought they did interesting stuff
@Thatvikingguy Some Amerindian tribes did eat horses, Apaches? But others did not. There's an account of some white explorers traveling through the north west who had to kill some of their horses for food. Some local indians visited their camp and were offered some of the cooked horse meat which they took and started eating, but when they realized it was horse meat, spat it out in disgust.
The horse riding twins in Norse mythology is also in Indic myth as well. They're called Ashwini twins. Ashwin means rider or knight, a title given to nobility. There's a cricketer even who bears this name R. Ashwin.
and in lithuanian mythology they are known as "Ašvieniai"
The King got caught with a horse and to spare the shame decided to make a tradition out of it. The rest is history.. 🤣
It is more likely a symbolic rather than actual, because i don't think that the sexual intercourse between woman and a stallion is possivle
And there is no archaelogical evidence that humans were ever sacrificed, Vedic Society,
And at 9:25 what is the "obscene" mantra shouted? Can you please elaborate? I read all the referenced verses and there is no word that says that mantras were obscene?
I believe horses were smaller a few thousand years ago. Not your typical prize-winning stallion of today. Either way, it’s pretty disgusting.
Not possible? You didn't see mr hands?
@@bezbezzebbyson788 dude, he died from that.
Tom at 7:56 the way you said indra is the PERFECT way of pronunciation. Thats how the Sanskrit words with the a at the end should be pronounced. With a short a at the end. Perfect. Not too long aaaa like most people say (indraaa). And not complete deletetion of short a like modern speakers of indian language say (indr)
Same is true to all the words with short a at the end.
Yoga
Veda
Varuna
Just a short little a like you said and not a full aaa
You should learn Sanskrit tom.
I would love to learn it or at least learn a bit
Return to tradition, Christianity is clearly a Jewish trick!!
why would christcucks seek to destroy our glorious indo-evropean traditions of necrophilia & beastiality
If your queen can take a horse without getting excited then your king is the real stud.
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I doubt it ever happened. The Queen or any other mere woman would die.
Felicitări! This is the first time I've heard the name Mircea Eliade pronounced correctly.
Wtf, bronies were /ourguys/ all along?
Bronies ? Who ?
Viral Videos google it
Off subject but can we get a genetic test of the Royal Blood line? Charles looks like he has been dipping his toes in the royal Gene pool
They’re related to Rollo the Walker of Normandy, if legends are true.
Princess Anne definitely had the teeth!
Most european royal bloodlines have been semitified
Inbreeding has bedeviled royal bloodlines the world over ever since royalty was invented. Ask the ancient Egyptians!
Charles & Anne... and their parents tbh, really aren't put together properly. Diana was meant to fix this. She even said she felt like a brood mare!.
So now the kids are trying to fix things with genes from further afield. Hybrid vigour isn't just for plants!
Now you know where the name "chinless wonder" comes from! It's actually an observation of the British (for British read Norman) ruling class.
There was a time just after the Norman conquest that about 12 brothers & 1st cousins ran the whole country. And they weren't exactly "genetically healthy" when they arrived here.
It's been inbreeding that has kept these families at the top. As well as keeping titles & land in a very small gene pool!
The referenced texts had been translated by English scholars, not by Indian brahmin scholars which could give more insights and explanations. If you study Indian texts and history from English scholars, it is certainly weird and not certainly accurate.
If you want to know more accurate history of vedic culture, you have to inquire from vedic priests, not from English scholars.
English scholars were the first to recognise that Sanskrit was an Indo-European language, and the existince of Dravidian language. The dating of the Rigveda is only possible thanks to Western linguistics. Modern Brahminical interpretation of the Rigveda is highly divergent from the original meaning of the text so to claim it is more reliable is not plausible. Brahmins do not possess superior linguistic knowledge to other people!
@@Survivethejive Yes, many brahmins know Sanskrit and the meaning of the verses much better than any scholar from abroad. Why? Because it's a science of vedic knowledge which is passed from gurus/teachers to disciples and no scholar can understand the science without a guru. The first condition to understand vedic texts properly is to learn from a teacher. Not just to learn Sanskrit and translate the texts without proper understanding... it will lead to misinterpretations.
@@tomashromnik108 On the contrary, Indian religious philosophy has changed a lot over the last 3000 years hence there are many schools of thought. The Rigveda endorses animal sacrifice and eating beef so evidently Brahmins are not practicing the same relgion as is expressed in the RigVeda
@@Survivethejive yes it changes according to time and circumstances. It is described in the Srimad Bhagavatam why the sacrifices are not applicable in Kali Yuga and why the only functioning sacrifice is changing of The Holy Names of God. People are so spiritually degraded nowadays that they are not able to perform such big sacrifices as in previous age Dwapara Yuga. So they can at least chant God's names every day. It is hardly possible to do any other sacrifice every day and no other sacrifice is not recommended for Kali Yuga than chanting Holy Names of God.
@@tomashromnik108inferior Indian getting conquered by Superior Europeans
This is mind blowing. Thank you for not holding back on the horrific details. So interesting to put the White Horse in context.
Could this be the coding behind Pegasus and how Pegasus sprung from the head of vanquished Medusa, Chimera or other such monster - assuming that being rival tribes would be remembers as monsters such as Grenvil.
The word sin means something entirely different from karma. The two terms are not interchangeable.
@Christian Landgrave The meaning varies. I've read accounts of natives in India commenting on disabled persons saying 'they must have done something terrible in a past life'. Suggesting this is their punishment. Other natives in surrounding regions have a different opinion of what Karma means.
In ancient Rome, the festival of the October Horse was both sacrifice to Mars and the end of the harvest season. It is fascinating to see the possible ancestral connections between cultures so separated.
Very good editing on this one I must say! Thank you for your valuable work.
Our great western civilization was built on the back of the horse; we used to rely on horses up until the mid 19th century.
It's a shame that we lost our connection to these animals.
Wandering gypsies are still very fond of their horses and carriages lol.
Oxen and cows are even more underrated.
Some of us still work with horses :)
We relayed quite a lot on slaves to. Sadly enough mechanisation has replaced both. 😞
@@chrissibersky4617 ... You're sad we're not in danger of being enslaved anymore?
It's amazing how not a single Hindu word has been pronounced correctly. It would've been better if he had practiced correct pronunciation before the video or at least done a voice over. I'm a Hindu but never came across a single Hindu legend of human sacrifice in my entire life.
Have you ever read the Rigveda?
No, I thought so. In my family (all Indians) I am the only one who has read it!
Go and read it first, then we will have an debate about: ashwamedha, purushamedha, eating meat, the description of the Aryans, what the Aryans thought about the Dravidas and the Pantheon described in the Rigveda.
most hindus does not even know what hinduism is or what does and Hindu mean? Lol forget not hearing about this, you don't know what is hinduism and what is not hinduism
Human sacrificed even happened in 18 hundreds. The place where I'm from has a temple where it took place. Humans were sacrificed by kings during Kali Puja. It was called narabali. But later the British banned it. So they instead perform pashubali(animal sacrifice). Which still exist to this day.
the animated art is brilliant! very well done and made this documentary even more impressive
I see that hyperborea approves of this video
@@randomsmuck312 hyperborea approved(tm)
Hail perun
Absolutely spectacular content. Tremendous wealth of knowledge with research done within. A gem of a channel amongst all other TH-cams. Don't stop and keep going. A handful of people out there appreciate the time you spend researching and editing everything a great amount. Thanks for the content. This is the type of video I would say deserves every view it has and a lot more. I particularly enjoy the ones where scenery and relevant aesthetics are presented instead of your talking face. Nothing against your face - just that I like to more easily envision the subject matter instead of watching someone talk to a camera.
I don't like looking at faces all the time either - it is boring. I prefer to see references to what is being spoken about!
Does Spartacus killing his own horse in his last battle can be seen as a sacrificial. In some part in East Asia there is a sacrificial horse infront of a stone pillar being called Yupa in such Kingdom as the Satavahana, Kamarupa and Kutai kingdom, and if I'm not wrong they have is also in Ireland or maybe in China.
As messed up as the sexual implications with the mare are, I'm just as confused as to how xD my dad was a vet and we've done ultrasounding on mares a lot, if a mare is not in heat or is not receptive, she is not gonna let you near her private parts. She'll kick and toss, I've been bitten before by a mare that didn't like the ultrasound machine. Female horses are very difficult to deal with sometimes, they can be far more aggressive than males when it comes to her foal or her heat cycle. I can't imagine the number of kings who got their legs broken by an angry mare while trying to... yeah you get the picture.
I think that's the point.
@@Survivethejive fair enough but that still leaves the question of how somebody does that to a mare by himself, himself I'm assuming since that's what the depictions show. Which I suppose we may never understand that and I suppose I really don't want to understand that xD some things are better left outside of my understanding
@@jakemarsh8967 there might be a clue in other sacrificial rites involving the running of horses to exhaustion before hand
@@Salt0fTheEarth 💥🤯😡🔫, The few times you hope that eternal hellfire actually exists. I thought by the time I've watched 3🚶♂️1🔨, mexican cartel and necklacing videos I'd be immune to this, but that's another level of injustice. How am I going to treat this PTSD now 😡
@Jake Marsh Nonsense. Any animal can be trained to do anything. Sure helps if they are in heat, but when you look at the way AI is done with almost all animals now? Also, that mare was probably scared of that machine is all, as almost any horse would have been. One of my horses was scared of the tape measure I used to see how tall it was. Took me like thirty minutes to get it used to the tape before I could actually use it, lol.
Gives a new perspective on the Lord of the Rings' Shadowfax, king of all horses scene
Tolkien was well versed in history and anthropology. The wauthor of game of thrones is also.
@@jasonmccombs8123 Don't compare Martin the hack to the genius of Tolkien, please. He may be well versed in the history of medieval England, but he's still a subversive misanthropic scumbag.
@@VargVikernes1488 How can you have Varg Vikernes in your username and call someone a misanthrope? The irony is just too much for me.
Aghnyaa yajamaanasya pashoonpahi
-Yajurveda 1.1
"O human, animals are Aghnya i.e.not to be killed "
Also
Anaagohatya vai bhima krtye maa no gaamasvam purusham badhi
Yatrayatraasi nihitaa tatastvotthaa
Payaamasi parnaallaghiyasi bhava
-Atharva Veda 10.1.29
"Murder of innocents is heinous, o force of sin and mischief.
Do not hit, do not kill our cow, HORSE, or person . Where ever you be, covert in our midst, we discover and dislodge you from there. Be lighter than a dead leaf and fly away"
From sources bellow we learn that a) The horse is killed by strangulation b) During ritual Mahishi (chief wife of Raja) is fully penetrated by dead horse. Consider also that killing by strangulation causes involuntary muscle contractions and spontaneous ejaculation. So that Mahishi has full contact!!! )))
1. "The Horse-Sacrifice in the Taittirīya-Brāhmaṇa: The Eighth and Ninth Prapāṭhakas of the
Third Kāṇḍa of the Taittirīya-Brāhmaṇa with Translation"
Authors(s): Paul-Emile Dumont
www.jstor.org/stable/3143199
2. Stephanie W. Jamison. Sacrificed Wife, Sacrificer's Wife. Women, Ritual and Hospitality in Ancient India, Oxford University Press, 1996, p. 65-88
Sterling Work! Consistently Excellent Content!
Found your videos like a month ago and can't stop watching them. Keep it up brother.
Animal sacrifice is very much a living tradition in India.
India needs to see this.. Good work... I would promote this Video..
Ok rice bag
DEDICATED
With that great thumbnail I suspect this video has a lot of potential to go viral.
Let's goooooo
Badass
It's good to remember, this is primarily a history channel; just because it's descriptive of the past, doesn't mean he's necessarily prescribing those practices for us now. 🙂
I would absolutely not mind if the US president's inauguration involved this
@@WildMen4444 Lol
@@WildMen4444 damn
idk, i dont know what STJ's religious and political affiliations are, but he frequently associates with right wing neopagans
and his voice is way too excited in this video
We still practise now,we tantri Hindus or chatria warrior clan our ancient culture whow can we insult our fore father's,we still perform this rituals this our religious customs we inheherited from our ancestors..we are proud of it&defend this practise..
Outstanding work again Tom!
"The Horsemeat Cookbook" interesting bookshelf you have there.
That's the shelf of Professor Alan Outram
The state flag of Lower Saxony, Germany shows a White Stallion.
It's the old Saxon Horse and coat of arms of the old aristocratic family of the Welfen.
Very Indo-European indeed.
Things that typical history channels on TH-cam censor in thumbnails: _swastikas, iron crosses, etc._
Things that Survive the Jive censors in thumbnails: *H O R S E C * C K*
Interestingly, the Mongolian Uurga, a 9m long pole with a snare at the end for catching horses sounds quite similar to Odin's byname Yggr (as in askr Yggdrasills = ash of the horse of Yggr) or Rudra's epithet Ugra. Both names mean "the terrible one". It could be that this Mongolian Uurga is an Indo-European loanword with the meaning "to strangle, to tame" because it also sounds like the German "würgen" = to strangle or "Gurgel" = throat.
There is perhaps a connection with horrible, protruding, red, eyes (Old Norse ygr = eye; Odin's epithet "Baleygr" = the flame-eyed one) which appear when a man is strangled with a rope because then the blood vessels in the eyes burst (like in Tibetan or Indian masks with horrible red eyes).
One method to tame wild reindeer and horses is to tie them to a stake and feed them until they get used to the rider. And according to medieval beliefs, a gallows rope had the power to tame wild horses.
The world tree tamed therefore the wild Odin, or his horse, in which he/it was tied to the tree. The linguistic connection of bridle, noose, knot, eye, stake, tree, beam, pillar, gallows, cross, crucifying, horse/donkey (as soul animals), breath, wind, soul, divine soul, sun, strangle, tame, fix, and anchor goes much further.
Recently learned that the name for Odin translates into 'the furious one'. At least in Dutch. Old Dutch name for Odin is Wodan (like German Wotan) and the old word for 'being angry' is 'woedend'. And so it follows that Wodan comes from Woed(furious) + an (being)
So in old Norse the 'od' in Odin might mean the same thing.
@@fartz3808 Yes, Wotan is old Germanic. In the younger Old Norse, the initial W was dropped because of its linguistic development. The Indian equivalent to Wotan (besides Rudra/Shiva and Vayu) is the storm god Vata.
He has the same root. Besides anger, it is also the root of engl. wit (mind, humor), and means inspiration/mental arousal.
@@vanrensburgsgesicht4048 Interesting, thanks for the insight
@@fartz3808 I forgot the Persian Wind god Vada and the Latin seers, the Vates.
@@fartz3808 Beside Wotan/Vata and Yggr/Ugra here is a third common Indo-European name for this god:
Lithuanian/Latvian velnias = god of the dead, veles = souls of the dead;
Slav. veles = god of the dead;
old norse Odin valfödr = father of the fallen, valhöll = hall of the fallen, valkyria = maiden of battle, valr = fallen worrier; germ. wala = dead, wal = battlefield, wolf = ripper, slayer;
lat. vellere = pluck, vulnus = wound,
perhaps veiovis, vediovis, vedius = ruler of the underworld;
from indo-european *uel- = to tear, to pluck, to kill; thus the ripper, "lord of the dead".
based music choice at 14:53 lol
I for one am glad you did paid promotion. Gotta get that bag while we can, and if the company doesnt pressure you to moderate your tone then it's all for the better
Lance Biggums!
Thus why the saying survived "I'm so hungry I could eat a F-ING horse".
why tf is everyone talking about the horses and not the women that were r4ped?
😅THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT
I fear there is a certain bias you're placing here. At least a surety that's questionable as Historians and Archeologist agree, we cannot undrrstand fully the past or what the context of living im those times was to a absolute certainty, as we have no context to what it was to like to live in those ages or in those cultures. We often miscast even recent History thats often more recorded and sourced...I would hope there isn't an Agenda thats subtextual as thats not History, thats easily Propaganda, and I give you the benefit of the doubt here...
i presented the evidence - so make of it what you will
@@Survivethejive oh ho, fear not I have....
You know what? I've always thought that the sacrifice of children to Ba'al of the Phoenicians were some of the worst rituals in history. Now I've changed my mind lol these Proto Indo Europeans be wildin'..
iirc there exists further scriptural evidence for the queen not being penetrated by the horse in the Asvamedha Yajna. For example, in the Ramayana, Lord Rama uses a golden statue of his queen in lieu of Sita Herself, because she’d been exiled. I really don’t see a stallion being able to penetrate a golden statue lol. It also suggests that the rite of having your wife get under the covers with horse was more symbolic and had less actual metaphysical significance, considering u could do the rite without your actual wife present. The Saptarishi Vashishta was the head priest presiding over Lord Rama’s Asvamedha Yajna as well
Interesting. However Ramayana is quite late
@@Survivethejive while that is true enuf, many concurrent jurisprudential documents written in the Vedic era as well as those after it often echo the notion of sex being purely for the sake of procreation as opposed to pleasure. There even exist rites for atonement and penance for men who have consciously ejaculated in anywhere other than a vagina while awake. I’m thinking that this sexual morality would surely have been present in the time which this rite was being recorded
@Hobo A wife under the covers with a horse was most likely symbolic. Because getting a male horse to get a hard on is more difficult than most people think. It usually requires a female in heat very close by, that the male can see and smell. Though it seems some male horses can be trained to get hard via stroking since AI for farm animals is a very common practice world wide now. Males are masturbated to collect sperm, females then have some of that sperm injected into them using a syringe. AI is even done to chickens and Turkeys!
@@Survivethejive Not quite. The ritual in the Ramayana is pretty close to the one described in the YV. The ritual portion with the queen was at most a mimetic one, not an act that was really carried out. Furthermore, the officiating priests had to recite purificatory verses after this portion of the ritual was complete in order to prevent the ritual from being fruitless. Plus, there also seems to be some evidence that the queen's portion of the ritual is a later addition to the Ashvamedha which originally had only the horse being killed. Jamison alludes to this in her translation of the Rigveda.
There is also plenty of archeological evidence from Thracian burial rituals including a chariot, horses, dogs and in some cases a chariot rider. Check out the chariots from Karanovo and Sveshtari.
Aryans first came to Eurasia from South-Central Asia or the Himalayan range. They were a horseman nomadic tribe of Indo-Iranian origin. And they brought Sanskrit language with them.
Sorry but Himalayas are not a fit place for domesticating the horse and neither are horses native to Himalayas.
Of course,they are found in the Eurasian Steppe.
Happy New Year Tom, hope to see much very Indo-European content in 2021!
As a god, I must say I'm very disappointed that humans have suddenly developed this irrational distaste for bestiality.
Yep!! As a fellow god, I'm not getting offered the holy solar horses. I'm just becoming restless
Well I reckon if the horses are going to walk around all long legged and eyelashy they .... no never mind . Good video thow .
What you said about the ritual literally being a public test of a king's power over cosmic forces that threaten every man and similarly every civilization is exactly the point! And I don't think anyone has put it into words. Thank you.
There are great examples of the significance of the ritual sacrifice of horses and concubines/wifes at kings burials in the culture and religion of the Thracian tribes as well. While we lack a lot indigenous data on their religious beliefs, we have the archeological findings and Ancient greek testimonies which corroborate the lasting legacy of the Proto Indo-European beliefs in the Thracian tribes.
Quite informative, but the wrong video to watch before bed.
I'm sure to have strange dreams. The Ancient's were... well... Not us.
This is all very nutty..... Great for nightmare material. lol
Read Peter Shaffer’s Equus to get an idea of the role that sex and restorative sacrifice played in spirituality in these more fecund times. (This was a truly brilliant production by the way. Thank you.)
I did a review of that film survivethejive.blogspot.com/2019/03/equus-1977-review-with-survive-jive.html
@@Survivethejive Thanks, Tom. I should’ve guessed! I’ve been hooked on your work since the early days. Time I got around to shopping for some STJ gear...
He (the first purusha or Brahman) desired "let this (his body) be fit for sacrifice(medha) and let me be embodied by it". Then he became a horse as it swelled. He thought, it has become fit for sacrifice. Hence, the horse sacrifice is called as Aswamedha.
medha does not mean sacrifice, it means intelligence/knowledge
@@harim8716 and intially was a killing of a person. Hinduism partially reformed to just mean non violence.
It's crazy; when I watch your videos, I always feel a connection to what you're saying; as if I've had all these thoughts, ideas and feelings in my head already. Whenever I watch your videos, I think to myself 'ohh, this IS where I come from!'
Sorry, dude but some of these arguments are too far fetched. Religious practices will vary alot over time and place, especially if they aren't written down which often blurs out the whole continuity. So you can't say much about the original Proto-Indoeuropean rites. Sorry.
Take for example the Kiviks grave (which s NOT a king''s grave even though it was erroneously named this before it was excavated). It was constructed around 1400 BC, the distance from this date to the attack on Lindisfarne is longer than the distance from Lindisfarne to our age. The pictures on this grave can thus NOT tell us viking era rites, or viking age mythology and viking era mythology can't tell us much about the Kivik grave pictures.
Nordic Bronze age kingdoms was basically destroyed by the introduction of the mining of bog Iron (anybody could mine and make a sword, you didn't need the trade networks of a King to get tin and copper from far off places - you can just make a sword yourself and kill the king), so there was surprisingly little cultural continuity here in the worship.
But you're absolutely right that horse sacrifice was extremely important to the Proto Indo-Europeans and the areas they conquered. The Proto Indo-European were the first people who conquered large lands with horses. That is indisputed and that is their REAL superpower and why their language family is so huge even today. Horses were an extremely important part of life, everything in society was built around horses. Ownership of horses WAS basically wealth, so sacrificing a horse would be a natural way to make a trade with the gods. It was indeed a huge sacrifice, like burning 100 of your personal Tesla cars today.
This is why you see horse sacrifice across geographic areas and time periods in traditional horseriding cultures, but it does in no way prove how the Proto-indo-european rites were constructed. What's really going on here is simply a spread out variation of horse related rites, while some are sexual and some are violent, and some are totally different.
The span of time and distance makes it hard to tell us much about the original Proto-Indo-european rites except that horse sacrifice were their thing. But the rites would have changed alot since they were first introduced. What survived from this culture today except language is horses and beer - but we don't drink gruely viking age Braggot beer(unhopped mix of malts and honey) today. We drink pabst blue ribbon and sour beer IPA. We have the Kentucky derby instead of horse fights. Things change while the structures remains the same.
2000 years is too long for a religion and it's rites to carry on?
How many years has the cross been a religious symbol in Europe? 1700 years so far, I should think. The religion it self is 2000 years. And Christianity is based on judaism that is based on even older middle east religions.
@@chrissibersky4617 we have the written word, they didn't-
@@Carloshache
And why do you think they cut those pictures in the stones?
And if you have it cut in stone, horses pulling the sun, I think it's much less to change into goats pulling the moon than if it was written on paper and had to be rewritten every now and then.
They had systems to remember details too that we don't use today. Like the zodiac.
Their ability to remember stories with accuracy were no problem because they followed the sky and that never change.
It was not a game of chinese whispers. They also had regional stories about every lake and hill and many has survived into our time.
Some of those local stories has been proven to be over a thousand ears old.
I know about one local legend, a ghost story no one thought was very old that got proven to be over a thousand years old with great accuracy.
The horse is the symbol of a commoner (worker) in Mongolia. Everyman had a horse. Yet a commoner never buried with his horse - only a nobleman/woman is buried with a horse. Why? common people are poor and (materialistic) reality thinkers - riding a horse into heaven? Nah, my commoner dad may walk! I need a horse here more. Video shows some Nobility were hideous in their beliefs :P
Your nobles were most likely descended (in part) from Aryan invaders. That's probably why they had this exclusive custom, more similar to other Aryans than to common Mongolians.
@@mooseolini1447 What mind you call "lower class" depends. Sacrificing a horse then sharing the meat is such a dog tradition = poor ppl & their hungry mind. If rulers are lunatics like Aryans, the Middle-class way is the best way. Nowadays self-aware modern shaman practices "Set-free sacrifice = Seter" - where a horse is given a blue prayer scarf and set free in a wild. If gods want it (probably the poor will catch it and eat it - in secret) the free horse will be taken -ideally by wolves. I wish to dissociate myself from such horse RIPing Ancients :P
Wasn't that khazak film tomyrus turkic propaganda Or is that how the viewers interpreted it?
it is nationalistic
Tomyris is cognate with old iranic *Tahmuras* for "strong body" or "brave".
Turkic prop, Kazakhs may have irranic DNA but its not because they are mostly irranic, they are 90 % Turkic
you need to tell us where to finde steppe expansion. The song is impossible to find and doesnt exist outside of your videos.
Great video Tom. Glad to see all the advertisements and hope you get to make a few bucks.
I’m wondering if you will do an ama anytime
Likely
25:00 just wanted to add something interesting. Sprinkling blood was equivalent to providing blessings, so much so that the modern word "blessing" itself comes from the old English word "bletsen" which means "to consecrate with blood"
I really like this video,I also am very interested in the Indo-european culture that our ancestors had,in many ways the Roman practice of syncretism had the right idea behind it..
So blonde hair originated from horses.
From the Wikipedia article on Eamhain Mhacha "Macha was a sovereignty goddess" You completely left out the concept of the hieros gamos of "divine marriage" between the king and the land, where the horse (mare) represents the goddess, and the king (the son of the god), through the act of sex, consummates the divine union between heaven and earth. Thereby ensuring the sovereignty of the king, but also of the people, over the land. When the Mllesians came to the land of Ireland, each of the goddess Éire, Banbha and Fódla give a kiss to the king (i.e. have sex with him) and he promises to name the land after them. These three sexual acts, with three goddesses (the same triune goddess) for him to become king, and therefore have sovereignty over the land of Ireland.
It's not bestiality if you're having sex with a god or goddess.
Divine kingship meant the king was not a mortal, but the avatar of the Sky god on earth. Cúchulainn was the son of Finn MacCumhaill, Hercules the son of Zeus, Sigurd the son of Wotan. Why in India did the king have to seize the land if the horse walked on it? Why did some kings in Gaul have to be carried on a shield, least he touch the ground with his foot, and thereby claim it?
PS In the 16th century, when Hugh O'Neil when declared himself High King Ireland, he performed the ancient rituals of High Kingship, "unspeakable acts" with a horse to quote one disgusted Englishman.
PPS I have seen India art of a King having sex with a horse, so at sometime in the past, it was done there too.
Excellent point that was omitted from the video! As a quick correction, Cuchulainn was the son of Lugh not Fionn. Fionn's tales happen quite a bit after Cuchulainn's death. Also Sigurd was a descendant of Odin, not his son.
About the Völsa Thattr veneration of a horse penis, it's clairly described as anecdotic and exclusively from this farm, since it is told as an idea from the family mother, making it clear that it wasnt a spread custom, so it's just a coincidence
Yes it was just one farmstead in the story, yet the ritual aspects are unlikely to be invented on that very farm
Do a video on the future of the Indo-European races/peoples. I watched some videos that said they would disappear as humanity became highly mixed race. I think that will not happen due to tribalism. Would like to know what are your thoughts on the topic.
It all depends on whether the elite keep mass social engineering through immigration or not.
1) Tribalism
2) Genetic stratification of society (which let's say makes mixing of at least some ethnic groups harder)
Things that are yet to happen doesn't full in the category of history and archaeology. STJ's field is one focused on how things came to be rather than where they are going.
Brahmans are the ones closest to ancient indoeuropeans in customs and traditions and they are highly intermixed with native indian population genetically despite their efforts otherwise... If you know what I mean
@@Adrian-vy5vn they mixed with women mostly, modern mass immigration is done by males. Can't be compared