Right? I happened to enjoy all of the DCCU movies as well as the MCU movies. See I don't care if it is Marvel, DC or some third party comic book company no one has heard of, I am a fan of SUPERHERO movies, where they originally come from doesn't matter to me. Can't we all just get along and enjoy them?
You sir got it all together 👌. I just don't understand how people can hate the MCU just because they more of a DC fan. Like if u enjoy them both what's the harm. I personally LOVE both and it's the best I like variety.
Yeah, I like both too. Marvel is more vanilla and safe and mainstream like pop music. I like pop. WB's new DC films are more niche, risky, and will have haters. I actually kinda hated MoS and BvS at first. Rewatched with new mindset tho and loved them both!
Madalin Grama "DC just doesn't do good work." Do you even read DC? Or, are you judging DC based on the WB films??? Marvel Studios, under Disney, actually produces their own films. DC does NOT. If you want to understand what is going on with DC, read the recent Rebirth stuff. The meta narrative is all about how the dark and gritty fad of Watchmen's success influenced New 52 and WB's films and lost its magic, its mojo. DC Comics is self aware about all of this and way ahead of us. What's coming out of DC Comics right now is awesome stuff. Just saying, don't trash on DC based on WB's films. DC hasn't even been allowed to touch a script until WW. Sure, there has been some producer funding from DC for the WB films, but no real creative control was given to anyone from DC on the films except for the upcoming WW film, finally.
Marvel and DC war only happens between fanboys. I watch both, I buy both comics, watch both tv shows/cartoons and play both videogames. I'm a fan of comics and graphic novels. I can't understand how people can only enjoy one or the other.
I don't understand it, and I never knew it was a thing until I saw it on the internet one day. I don't see why people would want to limit themselves with all of the things both offer.
Super Nino That war was thanks in part to Stan Lee. Essentially, Stan Lee would write an op-ed article at the end of every comic called Stan's Soap Box. One of the things he talked about was how he didn't like DC. Thanks to that, and the innovative characters Marvel was creating, they became to big for DC to sue/buy. Which they did a lot of.
Kenny Brightwell I actually read an article by Stan lee that said back in stans day that they manufactured the feud and Stan and the editor and chef of dc I forgot his name were actually friends and often attended parties together and most of the d c and marvel staff would have diner once a month together at a restaurant
The problem is DC movies are completely controlled by Warner bros who are utterly incapable of marketing anyone who's not Batman. Give credit where due, DC gave us Justice League and Justice League Unlimited. And of course let's not forget Batman the Animated Series. Those shows were awesome!
True, but keep in mind, this was evaluating MCU and the DCCU - aka, CINEMATIC universes. WhatCulture specifically didn't mention any Marvel shows - liveaction ones like Agents of SHIELD, Agent Carter, Daredevil, Jessica Jones, etc., and animated ones like Earth's Mightiest Heroes (which is one of my favorite superhero animated shows! - because they were comparing the two based on liveaction movie productions. I agree that the JL and DC shows - both animated AND liveaction - have been TOP. Even better than Marvel's, imo (I am a HUGE Flash fan, and I adored season 1 of Supergirl). But just on the basis of how well Marvel vs. DC's CINEMATIC universes are doing right now, I think WhatCulture is right - Marvel is ahead.
The problem is DC doesn't have someone like Feige who understands comics. They have Snyder, who thinks all comics should be like The Watchmen. There's an old interview with him where he states "(When talking about The Watchmen)You could call it “high-brow” comics, but to me, that comic book was just pretty sexy! I had a buddy who tried getting me into “normal” comic books, but I was all like, “No one is having sex or killing each other. This isn’t really doing it for me.” I was a little broken, that way. So when Watchmen came along, I was, “This is more my scene.”" As far as Batman goes, he had this to say: "Everyone says that about [Christopher Nolan’s] Batman Begins. "Batman’s dark." I’m like, okay, "No, Batman’s cool." He gets to go to a Tibetan monastery and be trained by ninjas. Okay? I want to do that. But he doesn’t, like, get raped in prison. That could happen in my movie. If you want to talk about dark, that’s how that would go." And this is the man DC gave the keys to the kingdom to.
He faked his death once in Thor the Dark World. In the first Thor film he just fell into whatever was under Asgard. Obviously, the Asgardians didn't entirely buy it since Thor was sent to Earth to retrieve Loki in the first Avengers film.
Julian Pagano I agree to not blame marvel but I don't think any of DCs movies suck. They have problems and can have messy editing but none of them suck.
Disney-fied family fun? Well, ignoring the fact that in the movies, Tony Stark calls a child a pussy at one point, have you seen the Netflix shows? Even then, why shouldn't super heroes be family fun? Honestly I think that's the best way to do super heroes! Yeah, you can have darker stuff, but there's nothing wrong with going the other way.
People say marvel is "too cartoony and silly" and I would say movies like the Winter Soldier are EASILY more mature and serious than Batman V superman which had me laughing in the theater at the out of place CGI troll boss fight at the end or the hilarious Justice league set up
My question is, why is cartoony and silly a criticism. These are comic books people, that's totally fine. Cartoony and silly isn't bad, cartoony and silly is great! Fucking GotG was an absolute stand-out and it is by far the most ridiculous of them.
BvS was not mature, not deep nor profound. Just because it throws some seemingly-deep lines about god or power or whatever (that contradicts each other) doesn't make it a mature movie. The Dark Knight is a mature movie, becuase it has themes that are explored throughout the whole movie. BvS doesn't do that, it just touch a hundred themes in a random way withouth digging deeper
I just fucking hate when people complain about diversity. I mean MCU already has strong female characters and cool black superheroes. While they deserve a bit more space it's not because they're female or black. Colour of the skin or having tits doesn't make a good and entertaining character.
MrHaganenoEdward People want poc characters and female characters headlining the film not be side characters. The MCU will nearly be a decade old when the Black Panther and Captain Marvel movies comes out which will also make them 2 out 22 movies to not have a white guy as the lead.
They had to start with characters people know first, and then some who maybe we didn't know but were part of the Avengers. Now they can branch out. But it's about balancing. If Black Panther had been introduced prematurely then it wouldn't have been right. They gave him purpose, and a story, instead of throwing him in there as a gimmick to appease the masses. I think there should be more equal representation in films too, to be clear. But it shouldn't be done solely as an activist statement. That undermines everything by making it about civil rights more than sharing the arts with everyone
Comic Fan That's quite what one of the things I meant when I was talking about more space for them. I'm not looking forward to Black Panther's movie because he's black, but because he's freaking awesome.
Loki was good. Ultron and zemo caused no real problems even at the end of civil war the team was still pretty much the same with cap and tony not being friends anymore.
If we include the Tv Shows, we have to include Agents of Shield and Agent Carter, and then you're back to the MCU having waaaaaaaaaaaaaay more Shit Villains than Good Ones
DC was always great with animated stuff. Marvel's tends to be too childish...but I much prefer MArvel's live action movies and TV/Netflix shows to DC's
From my experience, these are just people who only watch the movies and want to seem aknowledged in discussions. The ones who read comics from both know that many writers worked for both of them and so many characters are similiar, that it is almost impossible to seperate DC and MARAVEL as a whole. You can argue if you like the tone of Dark Knight Arc over other Batman arcs, but both have soooo many good movies, game and comics, that it is just stupid to completely close out either one
Whenever people say that something sucks because it's different from the comics I just say, remember bane? In batman and robin bane was comic accurate and terrible. And in the dark knight rises bane is very different and better. Comic accuracy doesn't mean movie quality
Bane from batman and robin wasn't comic accurate. In the comics Bane is brains and brawn, in batman and robin he was a mindless brute, hell he couldn't even talk and i've seen him talk in the comics all the time
lets see....comic Bane deduced Batman's secret identity, made a plan to free a bunch of inmates so by the time Batman captures them all he'll be tired physically and mentally, breaks into Wayne manner beats Batman, takes him to downtown Gotham to show the city he beat their hero and the city is now his...Batman and Robin Bane was a brute with very little little intelligence.....yeah real accurate there lol
And he was a lackey, which well he kind of was in TDKR too, but less so and it made sense in the story and even then it was still a problem that many people had with his portrayal in TDKR, TDKR Bane was closer to the comics than B&R Bane was. Sure he was changed but less so in TDKR.
Watch the first trailer for Age of Ultron and then watch the movie. THAT is the issue fans have with it. We were promised a darker movie than they delivered. I stopped watching marvel movies in theatre because of it.
If you stopped you're not a comic book movie fan....And about Ultron he wasn't just logic AI he was more realistic AI, that why he was great, because only by emotions you can feel danger.....if he would be only pure logic AI like in comics he would never so badass, that why J.Spader made awsome job!
with Ultron, i didn't like that he was made by Stark, it gives him less of his own personality, he is just a snarky robot? instead of hating Hank Pym and loving his mother Janet in a Oedipus weird complex way (also Ultron seeing himself as their son), makes for a more interesting and flawed character, also he was severely under powered, i was hoping to see Ultron single-handedly kick the Avengers asses and he just doesnt, i was hoping he would kill someone if not multiple powered-people, instead they have him "gun down" Quicksilver in a lame way, they are my complaints of Ultron as a character, although i did enjoy the movie, it could've been so much better (also those transformer style lips really annoyed me)
you do understand that wasn't possible right? he could not be their son cause Hank Pym wasn't in the mcu yet...you're not judging the movie you're judging what you wanted to see..that's weird. Ultron was the perfect villain for the movie, he was Tony Stark, just without his experience in the cave
Melly Reed, who do you keep copying and pasting your previous comments in different topics? Do you lack the intelligence to write something original? Here, I will respond to you in the same way. "They are referring to MCU villains." - correct. Since MCU apologists seem to not understand the difference between Netflix Marvel universe and regular Marvel universe. "Hell, Even Mandarin wasnt bad." - it was downright awful, just like vast majority of MCU villains. "People just dont like to feel tricked" - or, maybe people just don't like shitty movies, ha? Seems logical. "it makes them feel stupid." - well, when you watch stupid movies like Iron Man 3 or Thor 2, there is a chance that at some point you will feel stupid. "They thought for a set amount of movie it was going one way" - which was the way in which we thought that Iron Man 3 was going to be at least not as bad and awful as Iron Man 3, and it was even worse (if that's even possible, Iron Man 2 was an utter shitshow). "and they felt" - disgusted because they watched a terrible movie? "Ben Kinsley is a damn boss" - remember Bloodrayne? He was boss in that movie too. "and didnt deserve the negativity that he got for taking that role" - and who gave him the negativity? As far as I know, it's the director of the movie, Shane Black, who receives negativity from people. How do I know? Because I'm one of those people who wanted to punch him in the balls after they saw Iron Fail 3. "He made the movie fun, which is what Marvel does." - he made an already shitty movie even more shittier. "DC wants you to feel, Fox wants you to cry, and Marvel wants you to" - cringe.
"They sold out. Literally for a billion dollars." - and does it make some of their shitty movies look less shitty? "They didnt care about the fans feelings, or the nostalgia you feel for them." - so why did they put Thanos cameo at the end of the Avengers? You think they did that for you, general sheep audience who never read a comic book and who never heard of Thanos? Or for the fans that will immediately get the reference? "They cared about cash." - of course they do. Which is probably the main reason why so many of their movies are soulless shit shows. "They could have literally shown a turd in different landscapes for the films entirety" - they already did this. Watch Iron Man 2 and Thor movies. "and the creators would not have cared, at all." - tell that to Bob Layton, one of the most influential Marvel creators. He unabashedly trashed Iron Man 2 and 3, despite the fact that he was indited on set of Iron Man 2.
Yea... I was rather looking forward to a Matsuo appearance in the MCU... though I suppose he's more of an X-men character. Although, wasn't Killgrave himself introduced in X-men? I could have sworn he was a politician or something. Though defitiely a mutant.
My only major complaint with any of the Marvel movies is The Mandarin bait and switch. That was a really lame way to deal with not only a cool, iconic villain, but an amazing actor. That sucked.
I completely disagree, in my book idea behind Mandarin's portrayal is the only good thing about Iron Man 3. I'm glad someone decided to ignore comic book wankers and made his own interpretation which had a well placed message. Too bad rest movie was so silly.
I didn't mind the idea of a switch it's just that everything that came after it was so damn awful. Love Sir B.K. idea that the Mandarin was actually the Mandarin all along and was pretending to be an actor to even Killian, decent way to bring the character back.
I like if a movie has a different take or version of a character. What's the use of using another medium and bother making it, if it's just a complete rehash of the comic. Bring something new in. But it needs to be good, which the Mandarin character wasn't. Put a new cool spin on a character rather than just take away all the good spin on the character and just go with "Okay we'll just not make the character cool".
"They are referring to MCU villains." - correct. Since MCU apologists seem to not understand the difference between Netflix Marvel universe and regular Marvel universe. "Hell, Even Mandarin wasnt bad." - it was downright awful, just like vast majority of MCU villains. "People just dont like to feel tricked" - or, maybe people just don't like shitty movies, ha? Seems logical. "it makes them feel stupid." - well, when you watch stupid movies like Iron Man 3 or Thor 2, there is a chance that at some point you will feel stupid. "They thought for a set amount of movie it was going one way" - which was the way in which we thought that Iron Man 3 was going to be at least not as bad and awful as Iron Man 2, and it was even worse (if that's even possible, since Iron Man 2 was an utter shitshow). "and they felt" - disgusted because they watched a terrible movie? "Ben Kinsley is a damn boss" - remember Bloodrayne? He was boss in that movie too. "and didnt deserve the negativity that he got for taking that role" - and who gave him the negativity? As far as I know, it's the director of the movie, Shane Black, who receives negativity from people. How do I know? Because I'm one of those people who wanted to punch him in the balls after I saw Iron Fail 3. "He made the movie fun, which is what Marvel does." - he made an already shitty movie even more shittier. "DC wants you to feel, Fox wants you to cry, and Marvel wants you to" - cringe.
How about Aldrich Killian, Ronan, Yellow Jacket, Malekith, Justin Hammer, or Thanos? Who has done nothing but sit on his big floating chair for five years? Those all sound like awesome and very memorable villains.
I can: 1 - No movie had any real consequence to the MCU. 2 - They ruined the Mandarin character. 3 - Iron Man II sucked. 4 - Avengers 2 was advertising movie for fase 3. 5 - Most villains are forgettable (they had 3 who were good so far).
1)civil war splited the avengers and just because cap wrote a letter and iron man didn't go after him doesn't mean they are buddies again.Also in avengers,cap 2 and avengers 2 cities were destroyed and people were killed that's a consequence that plays a big part in civil war 2)The real mandarin is still out there and we might see him someday 3)iron man 2 was average because of the last fight scene 4)avengers 2 is a fun well-directed movie that just happens to have a couple set up for phase 3. 5)That's the only one that is justified.
1) oh, honey, please... 2) Never gonna happen. 3) Nope, it sucked. 4) So well directed that the CEO of Marvel said was a failure. 5) I didn't agreed with the video, I think for myself.
1)shut up 2)okay good you got 2 justified 3)iron man 2 didn't suck.Marvel hasn't made a bad movie 4)Avengers 2 was a very good movie but it had so much hype that everyone hates it 5)whatever
My one issue with Civil War was the scene with Secretary Ross explaining the Sokovia Accords to the Avengers and using they're battles as justification. What he conveniently left out is that things would have turned out far worse if the Avengers weren't there(Battle of New York, and the SHIELD Helicarrier incident), and the Harlem incident is directly his fault, and no one pointed that out to him.
The Harlem incident was covered up & blamed on Hulk. None of the other Avengers were there & Hulk wasn't at the meeting to put it right. And as for everything being worse had they not been there... that's true... but also look at Ross's character & tell me if politicians have never put a spin on things to get what they want before?
The Reptile so in all the time Banner was hanging out with the Avengers no one asked him about it? and considering the number of people that were there don't tell me no one saw Abomination or got cell phone footage
to be fair, Battle of New York wouldn't have happened if not for the Avengers (Thor and Cap, specifically) because it was Thor's dealings with Loki, and Cap's dealings with Red Skull and the tesseract that led to the invasion. Ultron trying to destroy humanity was a result of Stark's messing with the mind gem, and without the battle of New York, Operation Insight never would have been greenlit.
He did too. Though it was a spiel about accountability, I thought it was also a nice call out to fans who didn't like the wide scale destruction they saw in most superhero movies after Man of Steel's infamous third act. I even saw in Ant Man that Luis went back to save the guy he knocked out at Pym Industries. A guy no one would really miss. Perilously close to the gag about the henchmen Austin Powers kills in his movies but a serious consideration today in mainstream blockbusters.
Marvel = Average - Amazing Movies DC = Meh Movies Marvel = OK TV DC = Great but not perfect TV Marvel = Average games unless you count Lego Marvel Super Heroes DC = Bad games except Batman
I like DC. I like marvel. They both have their pros and cons. But it's possible to like both. The problem is most of the critics expect a Marvel like movie which is why DC gets hate and starts these fanboy wars. Appreciate both
Ehh. It's hard to argue a bias when DC hasn't even managed a runaway hit yet. Batman v Superman was underwhelming at best, Suicide Squad seems to have split its audience and Man of Steel was... good enough. Critics expecting a Marvel movie isn't necessarily a bad thing because Marvel has consistently outdone DC.
Such as? Even on their core team, the Justice League, most normal people would have no idea who Martian Manhunter or Hawkman are, but the X-Men, Spider Man, and the Avengers are household names.
Memorable how? Christopher nolans dark knight is the only thing dc fan boys can draw from. The only thing DC is doing good (except for in suicide squad) is scoring movies.
The Avengers have only recently become household names. And Marvel isn't allowed to make X-men or Spider-Man movies any more. We're talking MCU, here. Not all of comics.
I would disagree. Granted that some of the important characters such as Martian Manhunter or Hawkgirl or Shazaam aren't well known by non fans, but characters like Wonder Woman, Superman, Batman, Aquaman, Robin, Flash, Green Arrow and so many more are quite famous. Plus, the various TV shows such as Arrow and Flash are giving light to the lesser knowns. As far as Marvel is concerned, Cap, Ironman, Hulk, Thor, and Spiderman are prob the most well known and most relevant, to casuals at least. Many don't know anyone from Xmen other than Wolverine and possibly Mystic if they really like Jennifer Lawrence. Honestly speaking, not many Heroes are known by casuals in the MCU. DC has defining heroes that basically all know.
The Fantastic Paul If you're talking movies, then DC has Batman and Superman. I bet a lot of people didn't know who Wonder Woman was, or any of the characters in those shoehorned video clips.
"They deviate from the source material" is the dumbest fucking complaint of them all. I mean, which source material? Anyone who's read comics for more than a year knows that DC and Marvel reboot universes and origins like they change underwear.
I think Stan Lee kind of put it best, when in both of the movies, he was this massive being that was just... too much, whereas in the Avengers movies, there's that balance of both strength, but also vulnerability. Like he wasn't "all powerful." Admittedly, that's probably on the fault of the director, but still. Story-wise, I didn't mind them, although, I did like Ed Norton as Bruce a tinge more.
***** Oddly enough... pretty much why I'm not a Superman fan. In any case, with the Hulk, people that read the comics growing up kind of had time to process all of that, whereas people having never been exposed to him before (Beyond the superficial) that think the trailers look cool... it's pretty much overkill. At least, that's how I'd figure it. I could be totally wrong, who knows.
To be honest, I love Hulk, but his first MCU movie with Norton was...boring. Granted I was still very young when it came out and didn't understand all the emotional stuff Marvel tried to convey through the Banner moments, but still...Hulk does better when he is supporting the rest of the cast then on his own
N7pirate they keep doing the same thing over and over again. Now if they do worldbreaker hulk and do well then it would be up there with avengers. But for now it's a middle ground movie.
I'd argue that Marvel still has bland as hell villains. Genuinely, Obidiah Stane and Loki are the only villains who I actually connected with or felt threatened by. All of the others to me were just bland villains who in some way slightly deviated from the typical copy and pasted "generically threatening villain" formula.
I'd agree... DC has stayed consistent with the Villains for Comic book geeks to know who/what a character is without having to give much back story. Like everyone knows who the Joker is; literally no backstory has to be given. They know who he is. Other names like Zod, Luther, Doomsday, Bane, etc. has stayed consistent with Comics however Marvel has to keep introducing new Villains.
I'm only talking about the MCU as (I believe?) the movies and the TV shows are in separate universes. Kingpin's pretty good in Daredevil, but I haven't seen Jessica Jones so I'm kinda clueless about Kilgrave and the way he's portrayed. I forgot about Winter Soldier, mainly because mentally, I don't class him as the main villain of Winter Soldier. Although in theory he's the primary antagonist and a perfect counter to the Captain, that ginger head of S.H.I.E.L.D was the guy pulling all of the strings, and I found him as intimidating and exciting to watch as a brick. I'll still concede though, that makes it 3 Marvel villains that I found interesting and/ or intimidating.
Since the show Characters will be in Infinity War... Yes they are connected. But since I think Loki is just as bland as the rest of em, only that hes more handsome, dont worry. Killgrave was better but not great, not by a Longshot. But Hot Damn KILLGRAVE MA MAN thats how you do a Villain! I personally still think theyre nowhere near Zod or Lex (just my opinion, please refrain from insulting me)
I would say movie-wise Loki is the only GREAT villian, the rest were decent at best. However, show-wise Cottonmouth, Kingpin, and Kilgrave are so good they almost rival The Dark Knight trilogy's villians.
And a Falcon, Bucky and Cap roadtrip/buddy movie where they drive together in a small car and funny shit happens (similar to the part in civil war with the seat or the kissing scene^^)
I always hear this! Am I the only one who LIKED The Incredible Hulk?! Ed Norton is a good actor and the movie was pretty good and I've seen current mcu I liked less.... Is it just me?
Norton is a good Banner, but the Hulk in those films was awful. Ruffalo to me has the best balance, I like his Banner even if it's not as good as Norton's, but his Hulk is the best of the three. We don't talk about Eric Bana, that was just bad all over
The only thing I hate about Marvel is that the expanded universe is total bullshit when it's about the TV shows. I want Daredevil and the main cast of Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. to be present in their major movies like they promised.
they never promised that and imagine the amount of planning and time that would take, they'd not only have to do a full script for a whole season, they'd also have to adjust every future interaction to allow them to crossover....besides we'll have the odd cameo here and there
The biggest reason why "in my opinion" I hated the movie is the mandarin plot twist look I agree he's an out-dated character but the fact that marvel advertised him for over a year just "in my opinion" made fan-boys excited for the movie if he really is out-dated why the fuck would you advertise him for over a year?It's like seeing a youtube video with a misleading title/thumbnail clicking on it and seeing something completely different replacing an iconic character with a villain that was almost as forgettable as malekith or abomination and the only thing intriguing in the story is tony's PTSD besides that the movie had a plot where the real villain of the movie's reveal was dissapointing and making us think that pepper was dead meaningless just like war machines fake death in civil war.Personal opinion though they should have killed off pepper so they can stop trying to explain why she's not in the future movies.
The simplest explanation is . Haters are loudmouths. They are loud and annoying af and don't stop until their nonsense is heard. Same thing with Star Wars whinners. Can't be pleased. Haters hate. Period.
Live Action Movies- Marvel(Unarguably) Animated Movies- DC (Unarguably) Series- Marvel (Maybe Arguable but are you being fucking serious?) Animated Series- DC (Unarguably) Comics - DC (Arguable) Video Games- Marvel (Almost unarguable)
So true did you see that marvel animated movie in cinemas a few months back? No neither did I. Marvel may be ahead in comics due to more movies and have found their footing. But DC are way further in animated films and tv shows. Marvel have Netflix though.
i think this is more of the motivation. In the first Thor movie we see what loki after very well. He just want his family approval. You see that he love both his parents but he knows that Thor get the best stuff. He create a situation where in the end he will be seen as a hero.. only for the plan to fail. Giving his nature and how really booker his avenger plan was. he thought to destroy earth mightiest defender but bringing them together?? (is he working against thanos or fore thanos?) So we got several films where he is flesh out as a villain. The rest seem .. I want power.. i want to control the world.. only Zemo had a better motivation and unlike Loki his plan work.
Agreed. Especially when comparing them to Loki, most of them seem pretty bland. I do think that if they gave them more screen time they could be fleshed-out a bit more, like the MCU tv show villains. Not that that'll magically make the villains more interesting, though. Loki was pretty awesome his first time around because, as Marveryn said, he just has an interesting back story--and more importantly, his character has somewhere to go.
I think the lack of costumed villainy is hurting the MCU. It's just rather insane to think that you have all these heroes running around in costumes but villains are nope I'll wear something bland and boring you would find normal people wearing. Part of the Loki appeal is that he dressed part of a great villain. The villains need comic book inspired costumes not just the heroes.
Ya, Loki has really been the only good one. What sucks though is Marvel's two best villains, Magneto and Dr. Doom, they can't even use in the MCU because of legal sh*t.
The main problem with Marvel's villains is except for a few, they seem to be one shot. I'd like to see more reoccurring villains here and there, but a lot of them can't return because they're dead. But I do always enjoy the MCU films.
That's pretty much true of all super hero moves. Batman didn't fight the Joker in all 3 Dark Knight movies. While Luthor is usually in all Superman movies, he usually creates, calls in or works with some other Superman enemy. Zod, Doomsday, (ahem a computer programmer). In comics recurring villains work well because they churn out at least 12 issues a year (more when you consider 3 or 4 Spiderman titles, and team books so you can have Cap or Thor villains in the Avengers in addition to their own titles. With movies, you've got one, every several years. Audiences aren't as likely to keep tuning in to watch Cap 1 where Cap fights the Red Skull, and then come back for Cap 2 to watch Cap fight the Red Skull, and then Cap 3 for Cap to fight the Red Skull, as awesome of a villain as he is. With having to wait several years between movies we'll never get to see all the great villains as it is. But you trim that number down even more if you keep bringing back the same villain.
You're wrong... Marvel movie are Hero's Movies, I don't wanna movie about how cool is Loki, Red Skul or Mandarin....Besides...DCEU villains are better?? Luthor? Doomsday? Enchentress? - please hahahhaha there are lame and weak!
KallenSC Marvel Movies are hero movies and hero movies are nothing without the villians. It's not about making them being cool its about making the Heroes threats be more than just "Monster of the Week" If the heroes and the overarching MCU stories are connected, then the Villians should be more connected too. I don't know why you're bringing DCEU up either... I didn't. You know why? Because I don't really like the DCEU universe that much so far. Larry Berry Also, Joker was planned to be in the Dark Knight Rises but of course that couldn't take place after Heath Ledger's death. IT would've been great if they went with their plan, but sometimes things are out of everyone's control.
I'm not really sure the villains being one-shot is that big of a problem when you consider the variety necessary to keep these movies and it's universe fresh. We're already staying with the same heroes for a considerable amount of time, how many villains do you really want to keep around and coming back?
It's a shame that they end up killing them most of the time. Ronan is one I wish survived, since there's a lot of comic book material for him that they didn't use at all. Or at least they could've had Thanos killing him. That would've been funny.
If DC fans were more willing to accept criticism and not shove their fingers in their ears going LALALALA MARVEL SUX I'M A GROWNUP! then maybe the movies will be better. They refused to acknowledge anything was wrong with Man of Steel when there clearly was and as such we got Batman V Superman. If they had've been honest with themselves and actually realize that Snyder is a hack and can't make good movies then maybe the suits in WB would have advised making a different movie.
That clearly wasn't meant to be an actual Death. The only reason he's stayed dead, is because Agent Smith isn't coming back, and hardly anyone watched that movie.
+The Fantastic Paul Well the tesseract is a portal to space so is say they'll eventually being back red skull but maybe with a different actor as you don't see his face only the skull mask and maybe even being back weaving as he is still contracted so it's not up to him.
marvel is way more mature then dc and has more variety! marvel has given us a new punisher and ghost rider and those 2 characters alone make dc look like teen titans go. dc fans are just jealous of how much we enjoy marvel.
Mark Hendley DC fans aren't bothered tbh... True ones anyways... Seriously does no one actually think about the fact that DC has had less of a bad start than Marvel did with movies? Marvel had a terrible movie start and DC is getting better now... Give them a chance like we gave Marvel a chance
Mr. JH Spiderman is still Marvel though -.- that's like saying I drew a picture of Doctor Strange but since Marvel itself had nothing to do with it, it's not Marvel... Bruh
DC: You're Stupid! Marvel: No, You're Stupid! Me: I think we can all agree DCEU is stupid, yet Arrowverse/DCTVU is awesome. Marvel TV is great, despite cancelling/passing on Agent Carter and Most Wanted, whereas the MCU is da bomb and not a bomb. I'd be happy if DC stuck with TV as you get to see a truer adaptation cos it's not mushed into one 2 hour movie. Personally I would have preferred Civil War to have been a miniseries like they're doing with The Defenders, but beggars can't be whiners.
The Arrowverse's quality is arguable. Flash is great, as were seasons one and two of Arrow, and I enjoyed Legends of Tomorrow... But the past two seasons of Arrow have been so terrible that the Arrow subreddit dedicated itself to Daredevil for a couple months.
But I did see his suits appearance which is what I commented on - I said he looks ridiculous, because he does, it looks like a goddamn iron man suit, now hush
He wasn't just a killer, he had a poetic... "soul". He wanted a dramatic acccident - the meteor - to destroy the humanity and allow the planet to evolve, just as it happened to the dinosaurs. And also he wanted a fascinating battle againts the Avengers: "Just as I wanted - all of you against all of me!"
I like both universes equally, at least when it comes to comics. I enjoy both, just like I equally fanboy about Star Wars AND Star Trek. But when it comes to movies, heck yes, Marvel has the leg, and everything else for that matter, up. One cannot deny that, good sir.
How can you defend the diversity of the MCU by bringing up the black panther movie, and then throw away the white washing in Dr. Strange by saying "how do you cast a person from a made-up country?" They've clearly found a way with the Black Panther and Wakanda.
"Wonder Woman movie looks good" well yeah it basically seems like Captain America the first avenger which was a good movie except with a female lead it's hard to mess that up.
The only possible resemblance is that it's a period piece set against Germans. Beyond that, there are no similarities at all. The heroes and their stories are completely different.
MCU not being diverse? Nick Fury, Falcon, War Machine, Scarlet Witch, Black Widow, Black Panther, Luke Cage, Robbie Reyes, Jessica Jones, Captain Marvel, Gamora, and there are plenty of female main characters in Agents of SHIELD, even heard they are wantingt to do a Cloak and Dagger TV series, series so we get another female and an African American to join the ranks and if you count disabled people as diverse then Daredevil also counts. That is actually quite a lot of diverse characters.
I agree, not that I have anything against Black Widow, I just don't think she would make a good main character, although I am open to a Black Widow and Hawkeye movie
Here's my response: 10. They always kill off the villains so it doesn't matter if they're "good". 9. Just because the tone is different, doesn't mean that the plot is. And having "a talking raccoon and a tree" isn't throwing a curve ball since those are actual members of the team in the comics. 8. In my opinion they try to hard to get people of all races, genders, and stuff like that, and it ends up ruining good characters when they change old characters. At least in the comics. Even so, if you try to argue it's "not diverse in the MCU", you'd still be right considering all of the main characters are white men, but that's how it should be anyway. 7. Black Widow being a good character means she SHOULD have a stand-alone film when you argued the opposite. And they haven't portrayed her well, considering she's literally just a love interest in every movie she's in, depending on which movie it is, it's either Stark, Steve, or Hulk. 6. Sure they've replaced Spiderman, but that was only when he was in Sony, and it wouldn't make sense to replace him in the MCU again. And the actors have all become so iconic, it would just be DUMB to replace them, because they are the reason some people watch the movies, and it would be DUMB not to, because then Marvel will drive themselves into bankruptcy every time they try to renew RDJ. 5. Go ahead and fight me. Literally almost every act in the franchise was better than the Avengers' third act. Not to say that they're good. I mean, I loved Ant Man and it's third act, and going back to how you said they "weren't predictable", was anyone REALLY surprised by "Zemo's revelation". And Loki didn't even die. Which brings me to another point they won't let their heroes DIE! Besides Quicksilver's death, which was really sloppy and tacked on anyway. 4. First of all, how do you not get that the Toby Maguire movies weren't in the MCU! Secondly, They've litearally broke records THREE TIMES for "over stuffing". 3. You even admitted that they went away from the source material, so thanks for that. 2. I do agree that the more recent movies are better though. 1. Any of the "darkness" or even any concepts Marvel has done was done AFTER DC had done it. For example BvS was announced, then a LONG TIME after, Civil War was announced. I look forward to seeing one of you guys try to argue this.
I'm not specifically taking shots at Marvel here, but I just don't find most superhero movies as enjoyable nowadays... It feels like there's no depth. With the original Spiderman and the original Spiderman 2, you had so much emotional investment. You followed this character from where it all began, and through all his ups and downs: the bullies, the crush, the excitement of almost being finally done with high school, the gaining of his powers, the searching of his identity, the pain of losing a loved one, the fear of losing more loved ones, the struggle of the real world, attempting to hide his identity from those closest to him, the list goes on and on. It really takes you through the whole wheel of emotions. Whereas I feel like most superhero movies today are just huge build ups for one huge final fight scene, with a cheap attempt at a love plot thrown in. True, there are some exceptions, for example, Doctor Strange was a nice refresher that took a different route. But for the most part, I'm still missing the depth that I got from older superhero movies like Spiderman.
Not to mention villains from the MCU tv series: Kilgrave from Jessica Jones, Kingpin from Daredevil, even Hive from Agents of Shield, they've all been great.
Kilgrave was a great antagonist, incredibly creepy and devoid of emotions. Kingpin was intimidating as you never knew how he would react in a situation, he could go from mild mannered to murdering someone in a split second. Hive kind of speaks for itself.
Scuicide Squad VS Guardians of the Galaxy PROTAGANISTS Deadshot: loves his daughter, kills people, good with guns Starlord: kidnapped orphan raised by space pirates who never took him to his dad, became treasure hunter, special gun FEMALE Harley: Gangster's sex toy... has a gun, bat, and cameo hammer Gamora: trained assassin, raised by the power hungry bad guy, realizes he is bad, tries to become good-ish, Sword:Godslayer MONSTER Killer Croc: is... Ugly... scaly... strong... what did he do? Groot: I am GROOT, "WE" are Groot, actually emotionally diverse and sacrificing for his friends, doubles as house plant RUNTS Cpt. Boomerang: Possibly offensive, idiotic, uses BOOMERANGS... (how BAD is the DCEU police?) Rocket Raccoon: Cyborg Raccoon who's been modified MANY TIMES, mechanical expert, actual RUNT MUSCLE Diablo?: killed his family by accident, ex-gangster, fire form, refuses to use powers after the accident Drax: family killed by Ronin, trained warrior of sorts, twin swords, will kill anyone who stands between him and revenge (Honestly these are the closest match) both movies are their own thing, are team builders, and have a world(s) shattering villain who is too vague to describe.
This list is so terrifyingly accurate. You guys literally nailed every single point I have made to DC fanboys that are attacking Marvel right now. Also, you are completely correct- the only reason Marvel is getting flack right now is because DC fanboys are trying to redirect the deserved criticism of DC's shitty movies. Wonder woman DEFINITELY being an exception, of course, it was fantastic!
My biggest complaint with the MCU is the lack of risks they take. Like in every movie so far, no one has died except quicksilver (who was only killed because of backstage politics rather than actual plot reasons). Everyone just feels too safe at the moment, like where's the tension if we all know they're gonna survive in the end?
Zemo is really bad compared to his comic counterpart, it's like Marvel wanted to make a new character but felt like nobody would care about him so they just made him Zemo because it's a Captain America movie
Agree with that to some extent, I thought the character in the film was really good, and the end kind of disappointed me but made total sense once we understood the character, but it didn't have to be Zemo.
garryburton36 maybe he's not supposed to be the Zeno of the comics yet. But the man who is heading that route. He's alive still so anything can happen.
hes exactly like his comic counterpart. Helmut zemo was the 13th baron zemo and the son of henrich (who was the creator of adhesive X and the masters of evil.) helmut was at first the pheonix who was trying to avenge his fathers death against cap and the avengers. He later takes up the mantle of baron zemo and creates the thunderbolts.
Also I have one criticism about "replacing actors" that you're glossing over. People don't like replacing *good* actors who keep dishing out *good* performances. Replacing Terrance Howard wasn't hard because his role hadn't become interesting yet, replacing Spider-Man was easy because people weren't satisfied with Spider-Man 3, or the Spider-Man reboot.
dc comics are amazing, but marvel comics aren't that bad. I would say they are solid but not as good as dc comics. though mcu is awesome and the dceu is definitely nowhere near as good
Malec Shipper even then, the trilogy had a lot of huge flaws. They did some villains well and some poorly (and I'll be forever salty at their butchering of R'as's name and, despite a great actor, kinda wasted him), but they're mostly pretty grimdark and the pallate was reused for Man of Steel, taking the arguably most straight-up inspiring hero and turning him into basically Batman. A big hit is DC is trying to mostly cash in on their heavy hitters, whilst Marvel is using majors and minors but giving them about the same amount of love. Marvel also kickstarted the comic movie blockbuster in the modern age, or at least, Fox based on Marvel comics. But eho would have thought, pre-X-Men, we'd be getting movies for the likes of Captain Marvel (not the one with the power of Shazam), Black Panther, and Ant Man? And Ant Man was great, paying tribute to the original whilst making it about his legacy. I think Marvel will end up being the ones who break the legacy character barrier as well. Amusingly, DC shows, while flawed, have shown what DC is capable of in live action, yet for the most part, the DCEU ia ignoring the better parts of them and what they're doing, introducing cult and low-popularity characters alongside their major leads, and mostly treating them well, if not the most faithfully.
batflack and katana (katana may seem like a huge stretch because of her little lines, but its a big deal, fist asian superhero in hollywood film to not be whitewashed (she is going to be in a lot of future dc movies so don't worry) and she was perfectly cast. i don't want to see any one else as karen fukuhara.their is more but i don't want to make a comment war here, also i am bias on katana because she is my favorite dc hero
Disney is dark AS FUCK! Other dark movies are; Batman: Traumatized kid grows up and cosplays a flying rodent and beats the shit out of mentally ill people. Star Wars: the story of a boy who is orphaned, indoctrinated into an antiretroviral religion, joins a terrorist group that has no real basis to rebel, and commits genocide when he blows up the Death Star. And that's just the first movie and what's on screen. Think of what would happen to the economy and all the lives lost. For more ruined childhoods visit Film Theorists, another TH-cam channel that applies science to films.(they're not all bad. He has some nice game of thrones theory's.)
I agreed with everything except the villain argument. Loki was without a doubt the one hit wonder of Marvel Movie antagonists. Zemo was laughable and unthreatening and the death of his family was a macguffin only mentioned like once just so he'd have a reason to hate the Avengers. Red Skull was sadly underutilized, and Ultron was very similar to Jesse Eisenberg's Lex Luthor in that the personality might've worked for some other villain… just not Ultron. I mean, he's a genocidal robot. He's not meant to tell jokes about cooking.
I don't mind Ultron having some wit to him and it does make sesnse in the MCU since he's Tony's creation. What made me upset was he didn't feel the slightest bit intimidating. When Ultron was on screen I never felt the stakes were all that high which is a shame because I enjoyed Spader's voice and he could've been a great villain.
Up to 0:23 - ... Or alternatively, people have valid criticisms not to be dismissed with assumptions of motive. 10 - Sure that villain from 'Iron Man' (who I can't name despite the fact that I'm paused moments after you said it) is good for what he needs to be but as far as superhero movies go, he's forgettable. The same goes for Red Skull. He looks and acts great but he's just used the once and most of the movie doesn't even focus on him but rather Captain America's story. As for Baron Zemo, well his plan sort of vaguely worked but the character himself was rather rubbish. I've seen villains with that motivation done a helluva lot better. And then there's Loki... his character makes no sense (his motivations are all over the place). He just exists to serve the plot and be smug about it. This being based off 'Thor' and 'The Avengers', Loki is not a well-written character. On the other hand, I actually liked the Mandarin (however much potential was lost with that creative decision) and Ultron. I'm not sure anyone says the MCU has no good villains but it's distinctly lacking in memorable ones. 9 - You have a valid point for the MCU but you're missing the point against. It's not that they're all the same but they do feel generic, predictable and without stakes. 5 - It's a fair comment. Again, someone saying "all" is just making a provocative statement but they do have quite a few cases of poor third act's. In terms of 'The Avengers', no way is that a particularly good third act. A load of villains come out of nowhere for the sake of providing a threat; the action is mostly forgettable; and it's just a change of pace from the past however-long-it's-been of them talking on the helicarrier. 'Thor 2'... yeah that death that's then retconned. Gotta love that pointless MCU writing. 'Captain America: Civil War'... that very anticlimactic third act after the great ending of the second act. You say some of the best moments come in the third act's; do I dare bring up BVS? Cool moments doesn't equate to good writing. 1 - I think DC did the whole anti-superhero/collateral damage story better in BVS than Marvel did in CW (as much of a mess BVS was overall).
Except, as pointed out pretty succinctly in the video, they really aren't valid criticisms. It's more an example of internet contrarian culture to hate on the MCU than anything, especially when taken in the larger context of other studios' CBM productions. 10. Just your overall reasoning is fallacious: "most of the movie doesn't even focus on him (Red Skull) but rather Captain America's story". That's the point: the story is about the hero. The focus is on the hero. Typically, the villain is there to provide a moral, philosophical and/or physical counterpoint to the hero. To provide menace and conflict and generally drive the plot. I'd agree at this point that the MCU has not really given us any truly great villains, but you don't need a great villain to tell a great story. Though I believe that Stane/Iron Monger, Zemo, Loki, Red Skull are actually examples of well done villains. 9. Honestly, when people say things like "generic", "predictable", etc it comes off like they're prejudging based simply off the MCU brand, not reality. Reality is that the MCU started off rather copy/paste as they were building their innovative shared universe concept with lesser known characters, but have been telling stories since that are, in actuality, really varied in theme, scope, tone, and even subgenre. ... And the lack of stakes argument is really at the point of being pretty laughable. Life-and-death and worldwide destruction aren't the only stakes, and it's just shame so many cling to such a limited definition. Civil War is actually a perfect example of smaller stakes taking on a grander scale: from Zemo and his revenge, to Stark and Cap's friendship, to the breaking up of the Avengers, the Sokovia Accords leading to half the team being branded fugitives and Rhodey being maimed by friendly fire. It really seems like the "kid friendly stories" the MCU puts out are actually too deep for many of you. 5. The early Phase 1 movies had rather anti-climactic 3rd acts, but Marvel improved quickly, and the Avengers 3rd act was actually very well done. Yes, the faceless disposable army is a pretty traditional trope BUT using it made sense in many ways: it honored the comics to no small extent, as historically the Avengers have often faced long odds made up of massive, disposable armies, as well as being a convenient way to give every character their moments to shine. I know it flies in the face of contrarian views, but not all tropes are bad. And even your last point doesn't make sense... "cool moments" =/= great moments. The MCU has exceled, especially recently, at tying those great 3rd act moments into the larger narrative of typically both the given movie, as well as the greater shared universe they've built so successfully. 1. Yeah, I wouldn't admit that you "think" anything of the sort, because it doesn't speak well of your opinions. BvS literally had zero stakes or serious discussion about the topic it was supposed to revolve around. How is the GCPD working with a mass murderer now? Somehow I don't think "change of heart" exonerates vigilante premeditated killings. Spouting one-line nonsense about entire cities being empty because everyone is off work (and no one goes out on Friday night in either city apparently). Government hearings blown up before they start but are never mentioned as being revisited (and no one has yet though to mention Superman stealing the space ship from the government and actually being the one to activate it and lead Zod to earth... bet THAT would make for an interesting subplot, but because the DCEU is for emo teens who want to show how mature they are we'll never see it)? As opposed to actual, reasonable, opposing ideologies being discussed throughout Civil War,
I really think that Black Widow is the core of it all. Without her the team would never have existed. She's amazing! My favorite BW standalone story was when she had to travel through time to save the avengers but do it in such a subtle way that it would not create a paradox.
The thing about respecting the source material is simple: stay loyal to the spirit of the characters and story as much as possible. Twist the original story and events when they no longer suit the current context, if they're too predictible and when something better is thought of. And most important: know what the fans want. Ex: Civil War had little to do with the comics, but was still very entertaining and considered a jewel of the MCU. The Mandarin twist in Iron Man 3 was stupid and unwanted for denying a character fans had been waiting for since the first movie.
one of the biggest bs moments was when parents were complaining that Deadpool wasn't child friendly, and that it was too vulgar for a superhero movie. an R rated movie, that Deadpool himself said was not for kids
Disney family fun? I would say Captain America Civil War is darker than Batman V Superman because Civil War deals with adult themes like friendship and vengeance while BvS just kinda throws a ton of black and blue on the screen and just have all the characters brooding the entire time.
2 things I have to say: People say that Vulture was better than all Joker characters in DC movies combined and, Being a family friendly movie is way better than being too depressing to tell a single joke
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Bruce Banner was replaced and hardly anyone complained.
Jack O Brien Mark Ruffalo is much better than the original
and its different stage of Banner... Ruffalo control Hulk, Norton hate it and has fear of the hulk
Kim Morris I presume you mean Norton in which case I agree however if you mean Bill Bixby then I disagree. (Do not mention the 2003 film)
razofdead Dude English I can't understand the way you're talking could you rephrase that please.
what 2003 hulk movie ?
I like dc and marvel so I hate the ppl that give dc shit and marvel shit
But both deserve some, mostly DC though.
Right? I happened to enjoy all of the DCCU movies as well as the MCU movies. See I don't care if it is Marvel, DC or some third party comic book company no one has heard of, I am a fan of SUPERHERO movies, where they originally come from doesn't matter to me. Can't we all just get along and enjoy them?
You sir got it all together 👌. I just don't understand how people can hate the MCU just because they more of a DC fan. Like if u enjoy them both what's the harm. I personally LOVE both and it's the best I like variety.
Yeah, I like both too.
Marvel is more vanilla and safe and mainstream like pop music. I like pop.
WB's new DC films are more niche, risky, and will have haters. I actually kinda hated MoS and BvS at first. Rewatched with new mindset tho and loved them both!
Madalin Grama "DC just doesn't do good work."
Do you even read DC? Or, are you judging DC based on the WB films???
Marvel Studios, under Disney, actually produces their own films. DC does NOT.
If you want to understand what is going on with DC, read the recent Rebirth stuff. The meta narrative is all about how the dark and gritty fad of Watchmen's success influenced New 52 and WB's films and lost its magic, its mojo. DC Comics is self aware about all of this and way ahead of us. What's coming out of DC Comics right now is awesome stuff.
Just saying, don't trash on DC based on WB's films. DC hasn't even been allowed to touch a script until WW. Sure, there has been some producer funding from DC for the WB films, but no real creative control was given to anyone from DC on the films except for the upcoming WW film, finally.
I really don't get the Marvel and DC war because either way people are going to see both movies
Marvel and DC war only happens between fanboys. I watch both, I buy both comics, watch both tv shows/cartoons and play both videogames. I'm a fan of comics and graphic novels. I can't understand how people can only enjoy one or the other.
I don't understand it, and I never knew it was a thing until I saw it on the internet one day. I don't see why people would want to limit themselves with all of the things both offer.
Super Nino That war was thanks in part to Stan Lee. Essentially, Stan Lee would write an op-ed article at the end of every comic called Stan's Soap Box. One of the things he talked about was how he didn't like DC. Thanks to that, and the innovative characters Marvel was creating, they became to big for DC to sue/buy. Which they did a lot of.
Kenny Brightwell I actually read an article by Stan lee that said back in stans day that they manufactured the feud and Stan and the editor and chef of dc I forgot his name were actually friends and often attended parties together and most of the d c and marvel staff would have diner once a month together at a restaurant
Did you know that DC actually stands for "Detective Comics?"
I researched. 😀
The problem is DC movies are completely controlled by Warner bros who are utterly incapable of marketing anyone who's not Batman.
Give credit where due, DC gave us Justice League and Justice League Unlimited. And of course let's not forget Batman the Animated Series. Those shows were awesome!
True, but keep in mind, this was evaluating MCU and the DCCU - aka, CINEMATIC universes. WhatCulture specifically didn't mention any Marvel shows - liveaction ones like Agents of SHIELD, Agent Carter, Daredevil, Jessica Jones, etc., and animated ones like Earth's Mightiest Heroes (which is one of my favorite superhero animated shows! - because they were comparing the two based on liveaction movie productions.
I agree that the JL and DC shows - both animated AND liveaction - have been TOP. Even better than Marvel's, imo (I am a HUGE Flash fan, and I adored season 1 of Supergirl). But just on the basis of how well Marvel vs. DC's CINEMATIC universes are doing right now, I think WhatCulture is right - Marvel is ahead.
The problem is DC doesn't have someone like Feige who understands comics. They have Snyder, who thinks all comics should be like The Watchmen. There's an old interview with him where he states
"(When talking about The Watchmen)You could call it “high-brow” comics, but to me, that comic book was
just pretty sexy! I had a buddy who tried getting me into “normal” comic
books, but I was all like, “No one is having sex or killing each other.
This isn’t really doing it for me.” I was a little broken, that way. So
when Watchmen came along, I was, “This is more my scene.”"
As far as Batman goes, he had this to say: "Everyone says that about [Christopher Nolan’s] Batman Begins. "Batman’s dark." I’m like, okay, "No, Batman’s cool." He gets to go to a Tibetan
monastery and be trained by ninjas. Okay? I want to do that. But he doesn’t, like, get raped in prison. That could happen in my movie. If you want to talk about dark, that’s how that would go."
And this is the man DC gave the keys to the kingdom to.
Actually DC does has someone better named Geoff Johns heading up their universe.
Yeah Darth! The guy in charge makes comics as well! I use that when saying Marvel Studios doesn't do the source material justice.
they cant market batman either: michale mann''s reicarnation (nolan) markets itself
Loki has faked his death in both Thor films
Just something I noticed
+Brian McMinn Ok. Name every single one of his 8 deaths.
Cause he is the god of pranks
He faked his death once in Thor the Dark World. In the first Thor film he just fell into whatever was under Asgard. Obviously, the Asgardians didn't entirely buy it since Thor was sent to Earth to retrieve Loki in the first Avengers film.
The god of mischief gets excused for faking his death.
Just because DC sucked so far, doesn't give anyone the right to blame Marvel
true
Julian Pagano if it werent for Batman and Deathstroke i wouldve totally agree with you man
Julian Pagano I agree to not blame marvel but I don't think any of DCs movies suck. They have problems and can have messy editing but none of them suck.
Julian Pagano oh ciao Julian
Justice League was horrible and everyone hated it, remember? You can like DC if you want, but I'm Marvel all the way.
Disney-fied family fun? Well, ignoring the fact that in the movies, Tony Stark calls a child a pussy at one point, have you seen the Netflix shows?
Even then, why shouldn't super heroes be family fun? Honestly I think that's the best way to do super heroes! Yeah, you can have darker stuff, but there's nothing wrong with going the other way.
Tony Stark eppear in Netflix?
Daredevil, Jessica Jones.
They made Spider Man say "Holy shit"
Dark superhero movies are almost always better. Fuck that family friendly shit.
Boba Fett It depends on the character,if you make Spiderman or Deadpool dark it will suck.
People say marvel is "too cartoony and silly" and I would say movies like the Winter Soldier are EASILY more mature and serious than Batman V superman which had me laughing in the theater at the out of place CGI troll boss fight at the end or the hilarious Justice league set up
My question is, why is cartoony and silly a criticism. These are comic books people, that's totally fine. Cartoony and silly isn't bad, cartoony and silly is great! Fucking GotG was an absolute stand-out and it is by far the most ridiculous of them.
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or the fact Superman is basically Jesus I've had to sit through that movie 3 times and each time it's more blatant
Nah, man BVS was mature, it had a darker tone. Most scenes were shot in the dark.
BvS was not mature, not deep nor profound. Just because it throws some seemingly-deep lines about god or power or whatever (that contradicts each other) doesn't make it a mature movie. The Dark Knight is a mature movie, becuase it has themes that are explored throughout the whole movie. BvS doesn't do that, it just touch a hundred themes in a random way withouth digging deeper
I just fucking hate when people complain about diversity. I mean MCU already has strong female characters and cool black superheroes. While they deserve a bit more space it's not because they're female or black.
Colour of the skin or having tits doesn't make a good and entertaining character.
MrHaganenoEdward People want poc characters and female characters headlining the film not be side characters. The MCU will nearly be a decade old when the Black Panther and Captain Marvel movies comes out which will also make them 2 out 22 movies to not have a white guy as the lead.
They had to start with characters people know first, and then some who maybe we didn't know but were part of the Avengers. Now they can branch out. But it's about balancing. If Black Panther had been introduced prematurely then it wouldn't have been right. They gave him purpose, and a story, instead of throwing him in there as a gimmick to appease the masses. I think there should be more equal representation in films too, to be clear. But it shouldn't be done solely as an activist statement. That undermines everything by making it about civil rights more than sharing the arts with everyone
Comic Fan That's quite what one of the things I meant when I was talking about more space for them. I'm not looking forward to Black Panther's movie because he's black, but because he's freaking awesome.
MrHaganenoEdward Dc and marvel hate asians
MrHaganenoEdward sjws aren't happy with anything LMFAO
Killgrave, Red Skull, Zemo and Loki are great villains.
Loki was good. Ultron and zemo caused no real problems even at the end of civil war the team was still pretty much the same with cap and tony not being friends anymore.
King Pin deserves a mention as well.
Kilgrave is, IMO, the best villain Marvel have put on screen so far. But this video concerns the MCU, not the tv shows.
***** The TV shows should be considered in the MCU. They're all connected.
If we include the Tv Shows, we have to include Agents of Shield and Agent Carter, and then you're back to the MCU having waaaaaaaaaaaaaay more Shit Villains than Good Ones
I think DC does their animated universe well, but their live action films need work.
It does seem a little strange that the things people rave about in BvS are the music and the visuals rather than the plotting and characterisation.
they should also stick to their guns about some things... like joker's scenes from suicide squad
JTeenmining Agreed. Joker is MEANT to be insane. If you think the scenes are mature then slap an R rating on there.
Has anyone seen the 'spam' comment? All it says was the person was 'so disappointed in DC' and it was flagged as SPAM?!
DC was always great with animated stuff. Marvel's tends to be too childish...but I much prefer MArvel's live action movies and TV/Netflix shows to DC's
I really dont get marvel and dc fanboys.. how can you not love both??
One is diminish the character being portarayed.One has fans that make an okay movie as gloriose and revaluation ary.
From my experience, these are just people who only watch the movies and want to seem aknowledged in discussions. The ones who read comics from both know that many writers worked for both of them and so many characters are similiar, that it is almost impossible to seperate DC and MARAVEL as a whole. You can argue if you like the tone of Dark Knight Arc over other Batman arcs, but both have soooo many good movies, game and comics, that it is just stupid to completely close out either one
Thank you. Both are amazing in their own rights
Whenever people say that something sucks because it's different from the comics I just say, remember bane? In batman and robin bane was comic accurate and terrible. And in the dark knight rises bane is very different and better. Comic accuracy doesn't mean movie quality
Bane from batman and robin wasn't comic accurate. In the comics Bane is brains and brawn, in batman and robin he was a mindless brute, hell he couldn't even talk and i've seen him talk in the comics all the time
dude, bane in Batman and Robin was way more comic accurate than tdkr bane
lets see....comic Bane deduced Batman's secret identity, made a plan to free a bunch of inmates so by the time Batman captures them all he'll be tired physically and mentally, breaks into Wayne manner beats Batman, takes him to downtown Gotham to show the city he beat their hero and the city is now his...Batman and Robin Bane was a brute with very little little intelligence.....yeah real accurate there lol
And he was a lackey, which well he kind of was in TDKR too, but less so and it made sense in the story and even then it was still a problem that many people had with his portrayal in TDKR, TDKR Bane was closer to the comics than B&R Bane was. Sure he was changed but less so in TDKR.
Well ignore his origin and character design why don't ya
Now, WhatCulture, do 10 DC Movie Complaints That Are Total BS
All the complaints about DC movies are warranted
Top 0
Most are not bs tho. I like 2 out of 3 of there movies but I know there not good
This is gonna be *GOOD*
+Lucass Nesteov you win
I will help you fight anyone that says anything bad about the third act in Avengers.
Who says*
I'll join too
coen cornelis And me.
Exploding Engi Count me in to.
Exploding Engi
You have my sword.
Why was Ultron so bad? I liked him a lot. He wasn't as bad ass as he is in the comics but he is still very good. Can someone explain????
Watch the first trailer for Age of Ultron and then watch the movie. THAT is the issue fans have with it. We were promised a darker movie than they delivered. I stopped watching marvel movies in theatre because of it.
If you stopped you're not a comic book movie fan....And about Ultron he wasn't just logic AI he was more realistic AI, that why he was great, because only by emotions you can feel danger.....if he would be only pure logic AI like in comics he would never so badass, that why J.Spader made awsome job!
To rephrase what Riverdash said, Ultron is an amazing villain and people are butthurt because the marketing was inaccurate.
with Ultron, i didn't like that he was made by Stark, it gives him less of his own personality, he is just a snarky robot? instead of hating Hank Pym and loving his mother Janet in a Oedipus weird complex way (also Ultron seeing himself as their son), makes for a more interesting and flawed character, also he was severely under powered, i was hoping to see Ultron single-handedly kick the Avengers asses and he just doesnt, i was hoping he would kill someone if not multiple powered-people, instead they have him "gun down" Quicksilver in a lame way, they are my complaints of Ultron as a character, although i did enjoy the movie, it could've been so much better (also those transformer style lips really annoyed me)
you do understand that wasn't possible right? he could not be their son cause Hank Pym wasn't in the mcu yet...you're not judging the movie you're judging what you wanted to see..that's weird. Ultron was the perfect villain for the movie, he was Tony Stark, just without his experience in the cave
Both MCU and DCEU get lots of undeserved criticism IMO.
both of them are garbage
maged. that's you
Gabe Stein no you
Melly Reed, who do you keep copying and pasting your previous comments in different topics? Do you lack the intelligence to write something original? Here, I will respond to you in the same way.
"They are referring to MCU villains." - correct. Since MCU apologists seem to not understand the difference between Netflix Marvel universe and regular Marvel universe.
"Hell, Even Mandarin wasnt bad." - it was downright awful, just like vast majority of MCU villains.
"People just dont like to feel tricked" - or, maybe people just don't like shitty movies, ha? Seems logical.
"it makes them feel stupid." - well, when you watch stupid movies like Iron Man 3 or Thor 2, there is a chance that at some point you will feel stupid.
"They thought for a set amount of movie it was going one way" - which was the way in which we thought that Iron Man 3 was going to be at least not as bad and awful as Iron Man 3, and it was even worse (if that's even possible, Iron Man 2 was an utter shitshow).
"and they felt" - disgusted because they watched a terrible movie?
"Ben Kinsley is a damn boss" - remember Bloodrayne? He was boss in that movie too.
"and didnt deserve the negativity that he got for taking that role" - and who gave him the negativity? As far as I know, it's the director of the movie, Shane Black, who receives negativity from people. How do I know? Because I'm one of those people who wanted to punch him in the balls after they saw Iron Fail 3.
"He made the movie fun, which is what Marvel does." - he made an already shitty movie even more shittier.
"DC wants you to feel, Fox wants you to cry, and Marvel wants you to" - cringe.
"They sold out. Literally for a billion dollars." - and does it make some of their shitty movies look less shitty?
"They didnt care about the fans feelings, or the nostalgia you feel for them." - so why did they put Thanos cameo at the end of the Avengers? You think they did that for you, general sheep audience who never read a comic book and who never heard of Thanos? Or for the fans that will immediately get the reference?
"They cared about cash." - of course they do. Which is probably the main reason why so many of their movies are soulless shit shows.
"They could have literally shown a turd in different landscapes for the films entirety" - they already did this. Watch Iron Man 2 and Thor movies.
"and the creators would not have cared, at all." - tell that to Bob Layton, one of the most influential Marvel creators. He unabashedly trashed Iron Man 2 and 3, despite the fact that he was indited on set of Iron Man 2.
Fantastic video! Killgrave is Marvel's best villain. In fact, he's my favorite villain of all time.
Without any doubt. He wouldn't work great in one of the movies though.
meh, i prefered fisk, with kilgrave being a close second
Yea... I was rather looking forward to a Matsuo appearance in the MCU... though I suppose he's more of an X-men character. Although, wasn't Killgrave himself introduced in X-men? I could have sworn he was a politician or something. Though defitiely a mutant.
no, he was introduced in Daredevil #4 (1964)
William Holtzclaw
Killgrave? No shit...
But... We know better now, don't we?
Devils don't come from hell beneath us,
no, they come from the sky.
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do you even bleed?
DID U JUST SAY MARTHA?
REAPER and they come bearing granny's peach tea.
My only major complaint with any of the Marvel movies is The Mandarin bait and switch. That was a really lame way to deal with not only a cool, iconic villain, but an amazing actor. That sucked.
I completely disagree, in my book idea behind Mandarin's portrayal is the only good thing about Iron Man 3. I'm glad someone decided to ignore comic book wankers and made his own interpretation which had a well placed message. Too bad rest movie was so silly.
I didn't mind the idea of a switch it's just that everything that came after it was so damn awful. Love Sir B.K. idea that the Mandarin was actually the Mandarin all along and was pretending to be an actor to even Killian, decent way to bring the character back.
+Jokubas T Yeah. Shane Black made his own interpretation... a bad one.
I like if a movie has a different take or version of a character. What's the use of using another medium and bother making it, if it's just a complete rehash of the comic. Bring something new in. But it needs to be good, which the Mandarin character wasn't. Put a new cool spin on a character rather than just take away all the good spin on the character and just go with "Okay we'll just not make the character cool".
There's a Marvel one-shot where it's revealed that there is an actual Mandarin, & he's pissed at Trevor for impersonating him.
I'm a D.C. fan but I don't bash marvel. We comic book fans should come together against the anti comic bookers
yes let unite and start a revolution
@@adamantite5453 yeah wonder woman is the best lady
Killgrave and Loki is my answer to any shit-head who says Marvel got no great villain.
Don't forget Kingpin
"They are referring to MCU villains." - correct. Since MCU apologists seem to not understand the difference between Netflix Marvel universe and regular Marvel universe.
"Hell, Even Mandarin wasnt bad." - it was downright awful, just like vast majority of MCU villains.
"People just dont like to feel tricked" - or, maybe people just don't like shitty movies, ha? Seems logical.
"it makes them feel stupid." - well, when you watch stupid movies like Iron Man 3 or Thor 2, there is a chance that at some point you will feel stupid.
"They thought for a set amount of movie it was going one way" - which was the way in which we thought that Iron Man 3 was going to be at least not as bad and awful as Iron Man 2, and it was even worse (if that's even possible, since Iron Man 2 was an utter shitshow).
"and they felt" - disgusted because they watched a terrible movie?
"Ben Kinsley is a damn boss" - remember Bloodrayne? He was boss in that movie too.
"and didnt deserve the negativity that he got for taking that role" - and who gave him the negativity? As far as I know, it's the director of the movie, Shane Black, who receives negativity from people. How do I know? Because I'm one of those people who wanted to punch him in the balls after I saw Iron Fail 3.
"He made the movie fun, which is what Marvel does." - he made an already shitty movie even more shittier.
"DC wants you to feel, Fox wants you to cry, and Marvel wants you to" - cringe.
How about Aldrich Killian, Ronan, Yellow Jacket, Malekith, Justin Hammer, or Thanos? Who has done nothing but sit on his big floating chair for five years? Those all sound like awesome and very memorable villains.
He is
Balls McGee He is in Jessica Jones
I completely agree with this list. Spot on
they forgot to put Magento as well as the Sentiels for great marvel villains
Justin Gochioco I do see what you mean but they're under the Fox movie camp, not directed and orchestrated by marvel themselves...
Justin Gochioco fox isn't part of the MCU
But they have great villains mainly from the X men movies. And are bout as good as the MCU
Justin Gochioco i would agree with that
To be honest, I'd rather see Tony Stark die than replace Robert Downey Jr
...well.
@@msmot2000 😂
Now do a 10 Marvel Movie complaints that are justified
Yeah I bet you can't even think of 5
I can:
1 - No movie had any real consequence to the MCU.
2 - They ruined the Mandarin character.
3 - Iron Man II sucked.
4 - Avengers 2 was advertising movie for fase 3.
5 - Most villains are forgettable (they had 3 who were good so far).
1)civil war splited the avengers and just because cap wrote a letter and iron man didn't go after him doesn't mean they are buddies again.Also in avengers,cap 2 and avengers 2 cities were destroyed and people were killed that's a consequence that plays a big part in civil war
2)The real mandarin is still out there and we might see him someday
3)iron man 2 was average because of the last fight scene
4)avengers 2 is a fun well-directed movie that just happens to have a couple set up for phase 3.
5)That's the only one that is justified.
1) oh, honey, please...
2) Never gonna happen.
3) Nope, it sucked.
4) So well directed that the CEO of Marvel said was a failure.
5) I didn't agreed with the video, I think for myself.
1)shut up
2)okay good you got 2 justified
3)iron man 2 didn't suck.Marvel hasn't made a bad movie
4)Avengers 2 was a very good movie but it had so much hype that everyone hates it
5)whatever
My one issue with Civil War was the scene with Secretary Ross explaining the Sokovia Accords to the Avengers and using they're battles as justification. What he conveniently left out is that things would have turned out far worse if the Avengers weren't there(Battle of New York, and the SHIELD Helicarrier incident), and the Harlem incident is directly his fault, and no one pointed that out to him.
THANK YOU! This was exactly my problem with that scene!
The Harlem incident was covered up & blamed on Hulk. None of the other Avengers were there & Hulk wasn't at the meeting to put it right.
And as for everything being worse had they not been there... that's true... but also look at Ross's character & tell me if politicians have never put a spin on things to get what they want before?
The Reptile
so in all the time Banner was hanging out with the Avengers no one asked him about it? and considering the number of people that were there don't tell me no one saw Abomination or got cell phone footage
to be fair, Battle of New York wouldn't have happened if not for the Avengers (Thor and Cap, specifically) because it was Thor's dealings with Loki, and Cap's dealings with Red Skull and the tesseract that led to the invasion. Ultron trying to destroy humanity was a result of Stark's messing with the mind gem, and without the battle of New York, Operation Insight never would have been greenlit.
He did too. Though it was a spiel about accountability, I thought it was also a nice call out to fans who didn't like the wide scale destruction they saw in most superhero movies after Man of Steel's infamous third act. I even saw in Ant Man that Luis went back to save the guy he knocked out at Pym Industries. A guy no one would really miss. Perilously close to the gag about the henchmen Austin Powers kills in his movies but a serious consideration today in mainstream blockbusters.
Marvel=good movies
DC=good games(nowadays)
Well it's more just like,
Batman = good games
Ahsain yeah pretty much
Check out "Why Superman Will Never Have A Good Videogame" on utube
Marvel = Average - Amazing Movies
DC = Meh Movies
Marvel = OK TV
DC = Great but not perfect TV
Marvel = Average games unless you count Lego Marvel Super Heroes
DC = Bad games except Batman
Some Crazed Nerd Marvel has great shows.
I like DC. I like marvel. They both have their pros and cons. But it's possible to like both. The problem is most of the critics expect a Marvel like movie which is why DC gets hate and starts these fanboy wars. Appreciate both
exactly.
I agree but you have to admit batman v superman was awful
i personally like it.
Ehh. It's hard to argue a bias when DC hasn't even managed a runaway hit yet. Batman v Superman was underwhelming at best, Suicide Squad seems to have split its audience and Man of Steel was... good enough. Critics expecting a Marvel movie isn't necessarily a bad thing because Marvel has consistently outdone DC.
both suck. Dark horse, image, valiant are so much better
DC has more memorable super heroes then Marvel but recently marvel has had better movies.
Such as? Even on their core team, the Justice League, most normal people would have no idea who Martian Manhunter or Hawkman are, but the X-Men, Spider Man, and the Avengers are household names.
Memorable how? Christopher nolans dark knight is the only thing dc fan boys can draw from. The only thing DC is doing good (except for in suicide squad) is scoring movies.
The Avengers have only recently become household names. And Marvel isn't allowed to make X-men or Spider-Man movies any more. We're talking MCU, here. Not all of comics.
I would disagree. Granted that some of the important characters such as Martian Manhunter or Hawkgirl or Shazaam aren't well known by non fans, but characters like Wonder Woman, Superman, Batman, Aquaman, Robin, Flash, Green Arrow and so many more are quite famous. Plus, the various TV shows such as Arrow and Flash are giving light to the lesser knowns. As far as Marvel is concerned, Cap, Ironman, Hulk, Thor, and Spiderman are prob the most well known and most relevant, to casuals at least. Many don't know anyone from Xmen other than Wolverine and possibly Mystic if they really like Jennifer Lawrence. Honestly speaking, not many Heroes are known by casuals in the MCU. DC has defining heroes that basically all know.
The Fantastic Paul If you're talking movies, then DC has Batman and Superman. I bet a lot of people didn't know who Wonder Woman was, or any of the characters in those shoehorned video clips.
"They deviate from the source material" is the dumbest fucking complaint of them all. I mean, which source material? Anyone who's read comics for more than a year knows that DC and Marvel reboot universes and origins like they change underwear.
Why does everyone hate the incredible hulk? It's one of my favorite mcu movies
I think Stan Lee kind of put it best, when in both of the movies, he was this massive being that was just... too much, whereas in the Avengers movies, there's that balance of both strength, but also vulnerability. Like he wasn't "all powerful." Admittedly, that's probably on the fault of the director, but still. Story-wise, I didn't mind them, although, I did like Ed Norton as Bruce a tinge more.
*****
Oddly enough... pretty much why I'm not a Superman fan.
In any case, with the Hulk, people that read the comics growing up kind of had time to process all of that, whereas people having never been exposed to him before (Beyond the superficial) that think the trailers look cool... it's pretty much overkill. At least, that's how I'd figure it. I could be totally wrong, who knows.
N7pirate no one's hates it
To be honest, I love Hulk, but his first MCU movie with Norton was...boring. Granted I was still very young when it came out and didn't understand all the emotional stuff Marvel tried to convey through the Banner moments, but still...Hulk does better when he is supporting the rest of the cast then on his own
N7pirate they keep doing the same thing over and over again. Now if they do worldbreaker hulk and do well then it would be up there with avengers. But for now it's a middle ground movie.
I'd argue that Marvel still has bland as hell villains. Genuinely, Obidiah Stane and Loki are the only villains who I actually connected with or felt threatened by. All of the others to me were just bland villains who in some way slightly deviated from the typical copy and pasted "generically threatening villain" formula.
Not even Zemo? Kilgrave? Fisk/Kingpin?
I'd agree... DC has stayed consistent with the Villains for Comic book geeks to know who/what a character is without having to give much back story. Like everyone knows who the Joker is; literally no backstory has to be given. They know who he is. Other names like Zod, Luther, Doomsday, Bane, etc. has stayed consistent with Comics however Marvel has to keep introducing new Villains.
I'm only talking about the MCU as (I believe?) the movies and the TV shows are in separate universes. Kingpin's pretty good in Daredevil, but I haven't seen Jessica Jones so I'm kinda clueless about Kilgrave and the way he's portrayed. I forgot about Winter Soldier, mainly because mentally, I don't class him as the main villain of Winter Soldier. Although in theory he's the primary antagonist and a perfect counter to the Captain, that ginger head of S.H.I.E.L.D was the guy pulling all of the strings, and I found him as intimidating and exciting to watch as a brick. I'll still concede though, that makes it 3 Marvel villains that I found interesting and/ or intimidating.
+Huzzamossi The movies and TV shows are connected. They talk about the Battle of New York in the Netflix shows and even reference the Avengers.
Since the show Characters will be in Infinity War... Yes they are connected.
But since I think Loki is just as bland as the rest of em, only that hes more handsome, dont worry.
Killgrave was better but not great, not by a Longshot. But Hot Damn KILLGRAVE MA MAN thats how you do a Villain!
I personally still think theyre nowhere near Zod or Lex (just my opinion, please refrain from insulting me)
I would say movie-wise Loki is the only GREAT villian, the rest were decent at best. However, show-wise Cottonmouth, Kingpin, and Kilgrave are so good they almost rival The Dark Knight trilogy's villians.
no one will ever rival Health Ledger's Joker, I'm sorry, no matter how good they are they are not that performance.
SH4D0WXR33CONt1 dark knight trilogy villains ??I only know one good dark knight villain ..joker.bane n the other guy sucked
All I know is that Marvel owes us a Nat & Clint movie set in Budapest in say 2008.
Nat and Clint*
Fixed it.
faolan1686 God yes I would pre-order tickets for something like that.
And a Falcon, Bucky and Cap roadtrip/buddy movie where they drive together in a small car and funny shit happens (similar to the part in civil war with the seat or the kissing scene^^)
I always hear this! Am I the only one who LIKED The Incredible Hulk?!
Ed Norton is a good actor and the movie was pretty good and I've seen current mcu I liked less.... Is it just me?
No, I like it too.
I also like it too.
Norton is a good Banner, but the Hulk in those films was awful. Ruffalo to me has the best balance, I like his Banner even if it's not as good as Norton's, but his Hulk is the best of the three. We don't talk about Eric Bana, that was just bad all over
Derek C Yeah Ruffalo is brilliant he really gets the relationship between Natasha and Bruce, even Captain America ships the pair of them
Clarissa Reyes Incredible Hulk was so good imo but no as good as civil war or gaurdians
The only thing I hate about Marvel is that the expanded universe is total bullshit when it's about the TV shows. I want Daredevil and the main cast of Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. to be present in their major movies like they promised.
35Antonio did they promise that?
i can answer that, no they didn't.
That was never promised.
they never promised that and imagine the amount of planning and time that would take, they'd not only have to do a full script for a whole season, they'd also have to adjust every future interaction to allow them to crossover....besides we'll have the odd cameo here and there
Seeing the X-Men along side the Avengers, especially Wolverine who has been their since the 90's, would be epic.
Iron Man 3 sucked in my opinion, loved all the rest just not that movie
You're allowed your own opinion :)
Finally! someone who agrees with me!
If you replace the bad Mandarin with a much better kind, then it's a very good movie.
The biggest reason why "in my opinion" I hated the movie is the mandarin plot twist look I agree he's an out-dated character but the fact that marvel advertised him for over a year just "in my opinion" made fan-boys excited for the movie if he really is out-dated why the fuck would you advertise him for over a year?It's like seeing a youtube video with a misleading title/thumbnail clicking on it and seeing something completely different replacing an iconic character with a villain that was almost as forgettable as malekith or abomination and the only thing intriguing in the story is tony's PTSD besides that the movie had a plot where the real villain of the movie's reveal was dissapointing and making us think that pepper was dead meaningless just like war machines fake death in civil war.Personal opinion though they should have killed off pepper so they can stop trying to explain why she's not in the future movies.
Hail the King was best short cut... who maybe fix something in movie
The simplest explanation is
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Haters are loudmouths. They are loud and annoying af and don't stop until their nonsense is heard.
Same thing with Star Wars whinners. Can't be pleased. Haters hate. Period.
Live Action Movies- Marvel(Unarguably)
Animated Movies- DC (Unarguably)
Series- Marvel (Maybe Arguable but are you being fucking serious?)
Animated Series- DC (Unarguably)
Comics - DC (Arguable)
Video Games- Marvel (Almost unarguable)
Tekena igoni I would say marvel shows are way better and dc games are better than marvel games, or at least until that spider man ps4 game drops...
yup true dc games are better but spidey is coming
Sourav Gictu which is build around arkham game style. Creator interview XD
yup need more video game like this platform . may dc and marvel work on other characters also for this kind of open world experience in video games
Tekena igoni nahh comics go to marvel but u got the rest right
Marvel owns the superhero market right now. DC has no chance against them. They showed it with SS.
damn right son
So true did you see that marvel animated movie in cinemas a few months back? No neither did I. Marvel may be ahead in comics due to more movies and have found their footing. But DC are way further in animated films and tv shows. Marvel have Netflix though.
I prefer DC comics over Marvel comics in my opinion :/
i meant comic movies not comics*
Ahhh gotcha
Lack of diversity has nothing to do with whether or not a movie is good, so that complaint should be thrown right the fuck out anyway.
Loki was by far the best villain in the MCU. Many before and after have been very ho-hum. I completely understand this criticism
i think this is more of the motivation. In the first Thor movie we see what loki after very well. He just want his family approval. You see that he love both his parents but he knows that Thor get the best stuff. He create a situation where in the end he will be seen as a hero.. only for the plan to fail. Giving his nature and how really booker his avenger plan was. he thought to destroy earth mightiest defender but bringing them together?? (is he working against thanos or fore thanos?) So we got several films where he is flesh out as a villain. The rest seem .. I want power.. i want to control the world.. only Zemo had a better motivation and unlike Loki his plan work.
Revz8bit Killgrave is the best if you count the Netflix shows. But yeah.
Agreed. Especially when comparing them to Loki, most of them seem pretty bland. I do think that if they gave them more screen time they could be fleshed-out a bit more, like the MCU tv show villains. Not that that'll magically make the villains more interesting, though. Loki was pretty awesome his first time around because, as Marveryn said, he just has an interesting back story--and more importantly, his character has somewhere to go.
I think the lack of costumed villainy is hurting the MCU. It's just rather insane to think that you have all these heroes running around in costumes but villains are nope I'll wear something bland and boring you would find normal people wearing. Part of the Loki appeal is that he dressed part of a great villain. The villains need comic book inspired costumes not just the heroes.
Ya, Loki has really been the only good one. What sucks though is Marvel's two best villains, Magneto and Dr. Doom, they can't even use in the MCU because of legal sh*t.
The main problem with Marvel's villains is except for a few, they seem to be one shot. I'd like to see more reoccurring villains here and there, but a lot of them can't return because they're dead.
But I do always enjoy the MCU films.
That's pretty much true of all super hero moves. Batman didn't fight the Joker in all 3 Dark Knight movies. While Luthor is usually in all Superman movies, he usually creates, calls in or works with some other Superman enemy. Zod, Doomsday, (ahem a computer programmer).
In comics recurring villains work well because they churn out at least 12 issues a year (more when you consider 3 or 4 Spiderman titles, and team books so you can have Cap or Thor villains in the Avengers in addition to their own titles.
With movies, you've got one, every several years. Audiences aren't as likely to keep tuning in to watch Cap 1 where Cap fights the Red Skull, and then come back for Cap 2 to watch Cap fight the Red Skull, and then Cap 3 for Cap to fight the Red Skull, as awesome of a villain as he is. With having to wait several years between movies we'll never get to see all the great villains as it is. But you trim that number down even more if you keep bringing back the same villain.
You're wrong... Marvel movie are Hero's Movies, I don't wanna movie about how cool is Loki, Red Skul or Mandarin....Besides...DCEU villains are better?? Luthor? Doomsday? Enchentress? - please hahahhaha there are lame and weak!
KallenSC
Marvel Movies are hero movies and hero movies are nothing without the villians. It's not about making them being cool its about making the Heroes threats be more than just "Monster of the Week" If the heroes and the overarching MCU stories are connected, then the Villians should be more connected too.
I don't know why you're bringing DCEU up either... I didn't. You know why? Because I don't really like the DCEU universe that much so far.
Larry Berry
Also, Joker was planned to be in the Dark Knight Rises but of course that couldn't take place after Heath Ledger's death. IT would've been great if they went with their plan, but sometimes things are out of everyone's control.
I'm not really sure the villains being one-shot is that big of a problem when you consider the variety necessary to keep these movies and it's universe fresh. We're already staying with the same heroes for a considerable amount of time, how many villains do you really want to keep around and coming back?
It's a shame that they end up killing them most of the time. Ronan is one I wish survived, since there's a lot of comic book material for him that they didn't use at all. Or at least they could've had Thanos killing him. That would've been funny.
If DC fans were more willing to accept criticism and not shove their fingers in their ears going LALALALA MARVEL SUX I'M A GROWNUP! then maybe the movies will be better. They refused to acknowledge anything was wrong with Man of Steel when there clearly was and as such we got Batman V Superman. If they had've been honest with themselves and actually realize that Snyder is a hack and can't make good movies then maybe the suits in WB would have advised making a different movie.
oh no we know hes a hack and litterally no one likes MOS or BvS
and because of those two films snyder was let go
oh and suicide squad was amazing
killboggins Man of Steel is great but the rest two sucks yeah
Rui Wei Chang um no? BvS sucked way harder then man of steel, and man of steel just plain sucked
oh and suiside squad was a great film
What are you talking about guy if you say anything bad about Marvel movie you get thrown in a fire.
joshua ayala I'd be amazed if any Marvel fan will not admit to the shortcomings of Iron Man 2 or Age of Ultron.
They overstuff.............cuts to dc where they jam 7 characters into one movie with 5 different comic story lines spliced together
red skull shouldn't have been killed off so quick and the guy from iron man 1 ws shit
The guy who played red skull didn't want to play the character again and Obadiah from Iron Man 1 was great
That clearly wasn't meant to be an actual Death. The only reason he's stayed dead, is because Agent Smith isn't coming back, and hardly anyone watched that movie.
+The Fantastic Paul Well the tesseract is a portal to space so is say they'll eventually being back red skull but maybe with a different actor as you don't see his face only the skull mask and maybe even being back weaving as he is still contracted so it's not up to him.
The Red Skull isn't dead. He was teleported. Same way Thor gets around.
The Infinity Stones give godlike abilities & I doubt Thanos is interested in helping villains. He wants to court Death. Literally.
marvel is way more mature then dc and has more variety! marvel has given us a new punisher and ghost rider and those 2 characters alone make dc look like teen titans go. dc fans are just jealous of how much we enjoy marvel.
wrongo
+Gabe Stein wow that is such a good argument that you changed my mind! *toxic levels of extreme sarcasm*
thanks
Mark Hendley DC fans aren't bothered tbh... True ones anyways... Seriously does no one actually think about the fact that DC has had less of a bad start than Marvel did with movies? Marvel had a terrible movie start and DC is getting better now... Give them a chance like we gave Marvel a chance
Sans the Skeleton MCU 1st movies are Iron Man and and Hulk.
I feel sorry for the people who say all the marvel villains suck because they will have to battle the Loki fanboys/fangirls.
SpiderMan 3 was on Sony not Marvel.
yes but it just a good example of to many villain and plot point in single superhero movie
well still is Marvel villain...
Mr. JH Spiderman is still Marvel though -.- that's like saying I drew a picture of Doctor Strange but since Marvel itself had nothing to do with it, it's not Marvel... Bruh
Random Channel no it just means that we cant blame ur bad drawing skills on marvel
DC: You're Stupid!
Marvel: No, You're Stupid!
Me: I think we can all agree DCEU is stupid, yet Arrowverse/DCTVU is awesome. Marvel TV is great, despite cancelling/passing on Agent Carter and Most Wanted, whereas the MCU is da bomb and not a bomb. I'd be happy if DC stuck with TV as you get to see a truer adaptation cos it's not mushed into one 2 hour movie. Personally I would have preferred Civil War to have been a miniseries like they're doing with The Defenders, but beggars can't be whiners.
Also the DC movie Flash looks ridiculous, Grant Gustin IS Barry Allen
The Arrowverse's quality is arguable. Flash is great, as were seasons one and two of Arrow, and I enjoyed Legends of Tomorrow... But the past two seasons of Arrow have been so terrible that the Arrow subreddit dedicated itself to Daredevil for a couple months.
Dark horse : look at those wankers. never live up to the heights of hellboy
piss off derek u don't even see his movie yet
But I did see his suits appearance which is what I commented on - I said he looks ridiculous, because he does, it looks like a goddamn iron man suit, now hush
THEY CAN'T REPLACE THE MAIN CAST
why do you need to replace them?
Ultron was an awful villain. Just saying. He was about as threatening as a toaster and his plan made no sense.
says someone who's never had a toaster hunt down their entire family.
His plan was mass genocide of about 99 percent of humanity while the rest evolved...
and he chose a really stupid way of doing it
He wasn't just a killer, he had a poetic... "soul". He wanted a dramatic acccident - the meteor - to destroy the humanity and allow the planet to evolve, just as it happened to the dinosaurs. And also he wanted a fascinating battle againts the Avengers: "Just as I wanted - all of you against all of me!"
honestly i think it was his voice that made him so non-threatening
I like both universes equally, at least when it comes to comics. I enjoy both, just like I equally fanboy about Star Wars AND Star Trek. But when it comes to movies, heck yes, Marvel has the leg, and everything else for that matter, up. One cannot deny that, good sir.
How can you defend the diversity of the MCU by bringing up the black panther movie, and then throw away the white washing in Dr. Strange by saying "how do you cast a person from a made-up country?"
They've clearly found a way with the Black Panther and Wakanda.
Pinocchio is disturbing as fuck!
"Wonder Woman movie looks good" well yeah it basically seems like Captain America the first avenger which was a good movie except with a female lead it's hard to mess that up.
captain America wasnt that good and it isnt the same
It may turn out to be different but from the trailers it looks uncanny to me hopefully it turns out good
The only possible resemblance is that it's a period piece set against Germans. Beyond that, there are no similarities at all. The heroes and their stories are completely different.
MCU not being diverse? Nick Fury, Falcon, War Machine, Scarlet Witch, Black Widow, Black Panther, Luke Cage, Robbie Reyes, Jessica Jones, Captain Marvel, Gamora, and there are plenty of female main characters in Agents of SHIELD, even heard they are wantingt to do a Cloak and Dagger TV series, series so we get another female and an African American to join the ranks and if you count disabled people as diverse then Daredevil also counts. That is actually quite a lot of diverse characters.
Disney-fied family fun. *cough* Daredevil season 2.*cough*
Scott Summers Winter Soldier and Civil War are brutal.
adam is my bae
I'd say that's gay, but.. it's Adam.
Everyone gets a free gay-pass when it comes to Adam.
The tagline for Civil War should have been "No villains were harmed in the making of this film".
A Black Widow Standalone..... that would be fucking AMAZING
I agree, not that I have anything against Black Widow, I just don't think she would make a good main character, although I am open to a Black Widow and Hawkeye movie
Black Widow is kinda to dull for a stand alone movie.
Here's my response:
10. They always kill off the villains so it doesn't matter if they're "good".
9. Just because the tone is different, doesn't mean that the plot is. And having "a talking raccoon and a tree" isn't throwing a curve ball since those are actual members of the team in the comics.
8. In my opinion they try to hard to get people of all races, genders, and stuff like that, and it ends up ruining good characters when they change old characters. At least in the comics. Even so, if you try to argue it's "not diverse in the MCU", you'd still be right considering all of the main characters are white men, but that's how it should be anyway.
7. Black Widow being a good character means she SHOULD have a stand-alone film when you argued the opposite. And they haven't portrayed her well, considering she's literally just a love interest in every movie she's in, depending on which movie it is, it's either Stark, Steve, or Hulk.
6. Sure they've replaced Spiderman, but that was only when he was in Sony, and it wouldn't make sense to replace him in the MCU again. And the actors have all become so iconic, it would just be DUMB to replace them, because they are the reason some people watch the movies, and it would be DUMB not to, because then Marvel will drive themselves into bankruptcy every time they try to renew RDJ.
5. Go ahead and fight me. Literally almost every act in the franchise was better than the Avengers' third act. Not to say that they're good. I mean, I loved Ant Man and it's third act, and going back to how you said they "weren't predictable", was anyone REALLY surprised by "Zemo's revelation". And Loki didn't even die. Which brings me to another point they won't let their heroes DIE! Besides Quicksilver's death, which was really sloppy and tacked on anyway.
4. First of all, how do you not get that the Toby Maguire movies weren't in the MCU! Secondly, They've litearally broke records THREE TIMES for "over stuffing".
3. You even admitted that they went away from the source material, so thanks for that.
2. I do agree that the more recent movies are better though.
1. Any of the "darkness" or even any concepts Marvel has done was done AFTER DC had done it. For example BvS was announced, then a LONG TIME after, Civil War was announced.
I look forward to seeing one of you guys try to argue this.
How have you left out Winter Soldier? Best third act of any Marvel film?
The thing about Cap 2 and Cap 3 is that I enjoy the battles at the end of their Act 2 better than the finales.
Cause im with you til the end of the line. probably one of the most emotional moments in mcu for me
I still prefer the 3rd act of Avengers Assemble. It was just so fun.
I'm not specifically taking shots at Marvel here, but I just don't find most superhero movies as enjoyable nowadays... It feels like there's no depth. With the original Spiderman and the original Spiderman 2, you had so much emotional investment. You followed this character from where it all began, and through all his ups and downs: the bullies, the crush, the excitement of almost being finally done with high school, the gaining of his powers, the searching of his identity, the pain of losing a loved one, the fear of losing more loved ones, the struggle of the real world, attempting to hide his identity from those closest to him, the list goes on and on. It really takes you through the whole wheel of emotions. Whereas I feel like most superhero movies today are just huge build ups for one huge final fight scene, with a cheap attempt at a love plot thrown in. True, there are some exceptions, for example, Doctor Strange was a nice refresher that took a different route. But for the most part, I'm still missing the depth that I got from older superhero movies like Spiderman.
JG124 if you want in depth shit then read a book otherwise stfu and keep watching your old movies
its not our fault ur 80 years old grandpa
GOTG 2 should have changed that.
Kingpin is better than Loki. *grabs popcorn*
Not to mention villains from the MCU tv series: Kilgrave from Jessica Jones, Kingpin from Daredevil, even Hive from Agents of Shield, they've all been great.
Kilgrave was a great antagonist, incredibly creepy and devoid of emotions. Kingpin was intimidating as you never knew how he would react in a situation, he could go from mild mannered to murdering someone in a split second. Hive kind of speaks for itself.
The TV shows don't count because there's actual time to give the villains development and personality beyond "Bwa-ha-ha! I'm evil!"
Zemo wasn't a good villain in my opinion.
Scuicide Squad
VS
Guardians of the Galaxy
PROTAGANISTS
Deadshot: loves his daughter, kills people, good with guns
Starlord: kidnapped orphan raised by space pirates who never took him to his dad, became treasure hunter, special gun
FEMALE
Harley: Gangster's sex toy... has a gun, bat, and cameo hammer
Gamora: trained assassin, raised by the power hungry bad guy, realizes he is bad, tries to become good-ish, Sword:Godslayer
MONSTER
Killer Croc: is... Ugly... scaly... strong... what did he do?
Groot: I am GROOT, "WE" are Groot, actually emotionally diverse and sacrificing for his friends, doubles as house plant
RUNTS
Cpt. Boomerang: Possibly offensive, idiotic, uses BOOMERANGS... (how BAD is the DCEU police?)
Rocket Raccoon: Cyborg Raccoon who's been modified MANY TIMES, mechanical expert, actual RUNT
MUSCLE
Diablo?: killed his family by accident, ex-gangster, fire form, refuses to use powers after the accident
Drax: family killed by Ronin, trained warrior of sorts, twin swords, will kill anyone who stands between him and revenge
(Honestly these are the closest match)
both movies are their own thing, are team builders, and have a world(s) shattering villain who is too vague to describe.
Well after this video , all I have left to say is to the WHAT CULTURE peeps ....WELCOME TO WINNERS SIDE , THE HELLS YEAH MARVEL SIDE , YAY!!!! Haha!!
this video speaks the truth stop hating marvel is great
Only complaint is Mandarin and that's it.
This list is so terrifyingly accurate. You guys literally nailed every single point I have made to DC fanboys that are attacking Marvel right now. Also, you are completely correct- the only reason Marvel is getting flack right now is because DC fanboys are trying to redirect the deserved criticism of DC's shitty movies. Wonder woman DEFINITELY being an exception, of course, it was fantastic!
DC fans are tired of Marvel fans constantly rubbing their victories in their faces.
And now add Vulture to the list of good Marvel villains :)
One year later we got Thanos and Hela.
My biggest complaint with the MCU is the lack of risks they take.
Like in every movie so far, no one has died except quicksilver (who was only killed because of backstage politics rather than actual plot reasons).
Everyone just feels too safe at the moment, like where's the tension if we all know they're gonna survive in the end?
14DANESSJ so fucking what like star wars took any risks..........? oh wait
Zemo is really bad compared to his comic counterpart, it's like Marvel wanted to make a new character but felt like nobody would care about him so they just made him Zemo because it's a Captain America movie
Agree with that to some extent, I thought the character in the film was really good, and the end kind of disappointed me but made total sense once we understood the character, but it didn't have to be Zemo.
He's not bad compared to him, he's just different. I agree, he's not like Zemo in the comics but I thought he was a good character.
garryburton36 maybe he's not supposed to be the Zeno of the comics yet. But the man who is heading that route. He's alive still so anything can happen.
hes exactly like his comic counterpart. Helmut zemo was the 13th baron zemo and the son of henrich (who was the creator of adhesive X and the masters of evil.) helmut was at first the pheonix who was trying to avenge his fathers death against cap and the avengers. He later takes up the mantle of baron zemo and creates the thunderbolts.
Have to agree. The MCU lacks diversity. Never is a bad guy black.
Shooga Jones tell that to Black Panther
Shooga Jones say again
Also I have one criticism about "replacing actors" that you're glossing over. People don't like replacing *good* actors who keep dishing out *good* performances. Replacing Terrance Howard wasn't hard because his role hadn't become interesting yet, replacing Spider-Man was easy because people weren't satisfied with Spider-Man 3, or the Spider-Man reboot.
Marvel Movies are good
DC movies suck
DC comics are amazing
Marvel comics are meh
your second point is faulty though they stick to the comics that's it
dc comics are amazing, but marvel comics aren't that bad. I would say they are solid but not as good as dc comics. though mcu is awesome and the dceu is definitely nowhere near as good
Exception to the rule: The Dark Knight. That movie was absolutely amazing (99% because of Heath Ledger).
Malec Shipper even then, the trilogy had a lot of huge flaws. They did some villains well and some poorly (and I'll be forever salty at their butchering of R'as's name and, despite a great actor, kinda wasted him), but they're mostly pretty grimdark and the pallate was reused for Man of Steel, taking the arguably most straight-up inspiring hero and turning him into basically Batman. A big hit is DC is trying to mostly cash in on their heavy hitters, whilst Marvel is using majors and minors but giving them about the same amount of love. Marvel also kickstarted the comic movie blockbuster in the modern age, or at least, Fox based on Marvel comics. But eho would have thought, pre-X-Men, we'd be getting movies for the likes of Captain Marvel (not the one with the power of Shazam), Black Panther, and Ant Man? And Ant Man was great, paying tribute to the original whilst making it about his legacy. I think Marvel will end up being the ones who break the legacy character barrier as well.
Amusingly, DC shows, while flawed, have shown what DC is capable of in live action, yet for the most part, the DCEU ia ignoring the better parts of them and what they're doing, introducing cult and low-popularity characters alongside their major leads, and mostly treating them well, if not the most faithfully.
Kai exists on an existential level marvel comics are the best but nowadays D.C. is doing better. Give it a few years marvel will be on top
Ok now do this for DC
david Lewis he is a marvel fanboy so he will not
they did battles well.....I've got nothing else
batflack and katana (katana may seem like a huge stretch because of her little lines, but its a big deal, fist asian superhero in hollywood film to not be whitewashed (she is going to be in a lot of future dc movies so don't worry) and she was perfectly cast. i don't want to see any one else as karen fukuhara.their is more but i don't want to make a comment war here, also i am bias on katana because she is my favorite dc hero
Disney is dark AS FUCK!
Other dark movies are;
Batman: Traumatized kid grows up and cosplays a flying rodent and beats the shit out of mentally ill people.
Star Wars: the story of a boy who is orphaned, indoctrinated into an antiretroviral religion, joins a terrorist group that has no real basis to rebel, and commits genocide when he blows up the Death Star. And that's just the first movie and what's on screen. Think of what would happen to the economy and all the lives lost.
For more ruined childhoods visit Film Theorists, another TH-cam channel that applies science to films.(they're not all bad. He has some nice game of thrones theory's.)
Lol Start lord's mother looks like the ancient one from doctor starnge
I agreed with everything except the villain argument. Loki was without a doubt the one hit wonder of Marvel Movie antagonists. Zemo was laughable and unthreatening and the death of his family was a macguffin only mentioned like once just so he'd have a reason to hate the Avengers. Red Skull was sadly underutilized, and Ultron was very similar to Jesse Eisenberg's Lex Luthor in that the personality might've worked for some other villain… just not Ultron. I mean, he's a genocidal robot. He's not meant to tell jokes about cooking.
I don't mind Ultron having some wit to him and it does make sesnse in the MCU since he's Tony's creation. What made me upset was he didn't feel the slightest bit intimidating. When Ultron was on screen I never felt the stakes were all that high which is a shame because I enjoyed Spader's voice and he could've been a great villain.
Spectacular Spider-Man i liked Zemo, he put a huge wedge between the Avengers
Zemo and Loki are good. Nobody else.
Add Killmonger
Rodger W. troll
Did you really just call Tibet made up? That could really piss off a few people.
Zemo would be a great villian if all the humans in the entire MCU had the mental capacity of a 6 year old.
Dias They don’t.
And this is why the mcu is better than Dc's failed attempts...
As a DC fan, it's irritating to me that our comics are currently slaughtering Marvel's, but our movies are being eaten alive
Up to 0:23 - ... Or alternatively, people have valid criticisms not to be dismissed with assumptions of motive.
10 - Sure that villain from 'Iron Man' (who I can't name despite the fact that I'm paused moments after you said it) is good for what he needs to be but as far as superhero movies go, he's forgettable. The same goes for Red Skull. He looks and acts great but he's just used the once and most of the movie doesn't even focus on him but rather Captain America's story. As for Baron Zemo, well his plan sort of vaguely worked but the character himself was rather rubbish. I've seen villains with that motivation done a helluva lot better. And then there's Loki... his character makes no sense (his motivations are all over the place). He just exists to serve the plot and be smug about it. This being based off 'Thor' and 'The Avengers', Loki is not a well-written character.
On the other hand, I actually liked the Mandarin (however much potential was lost with that creative decision) and Ultron.
I'm not sure anyone says the MCU has no good villains but it's distinctly lacking in memorable ones.
9 - You have a valid point for the MCU but you're missing the point against. It's not that they're all the same but they do feel generic, predictable and without stakes.
5 - It's a fair comment. Again, someone saying "all" is just making a provocative statement but they do have quite a few cases of poor third act's. In terms of 'The Avengers', no way is that a particularly good third act. A load of villains come out of nowhere for the sake of providing a threat; the action is mostly forgettable; and it's just a change of pace from the past however-long-it's-been of them talking on the helicarrier.
'Thor 2'... yeah that death that's then retconned. Gotta love that pointless MCU writing.
'Captain America: Civil War'... that very anticlimactic third act after the great ending of the second act.
You say some of the best moments come in the third act's; do I dare bring up BVS? Cool moments doesn't equate to good writing.
1 - I think DC did the whole anti-superhero/collateral damage story better in BVS than Marvel did in CW (as much of a mess BVS was overall).
Except, as pointed out pretty succinctly in the video, they really aren't valid criticisms. It's more an example of internet contrarian culture to hate on the MCU than anything, especially when taken in the larger context of other studios' CBM productions.
10. Just your overall reasoning is fallacious: "most of the movie doesn't even focus on him (Red Skull) but rather Captain America's story". That's the point: the story is about the hero. The focus is on the hero. Typically, the villain is there to provide a moral, philosophical and/or physical counterpoint to the hero. To provide menace and conflict and generally drive the plot.
I'd agree at this point that the MCU has not really given us any truly great villains, but you don't need a great villain to tell a great story. Though I believe that Stane/Iron Monger, Zemo, Loki, Red Skull are actually examples of well done villains.
9. Honestly, when people say things like "generic", "predictable", etc it comes off like they're prejudging based simply off the MCU brand, not reality. Reality is that the MCU started off rather copy/paste as they were building their innovative shared universe concept with lesser known characters, but have been telling stories since that are, in actuality, really varied in theme, scope, tone, and even subgenre.
... And the lack of stakes argument is really at the point of being pretty laughable. Life-and-death and worldwide destruction aren't the only stakes, and it's just shame so many cling to such a limited definition. Civil War is actually a perfect example of smaller stakes taking on a grander scale: from Zemo and his revenge, to Stark and Cap's friendship, to the breaking up of the Avengers, the Sokovia Accords leading to half the team being branded fugitives and Rhodey being maimed by friendly fire. It really seems like the "kid friendly stories" the MCU puts out are actually too deep for many of you.
5. The early Phase 1 movies had rather anti-climactic 3rd acts, but Marvel improved quickly, and the Avengers 3rd act was actually very well done. Yes, the faceless disposable army is a pretty traditional trope BUT using it made sense in many ways: it honored the comics to no small extent, as historically the Avengers have often faced long odds made up of massive, disposable armies, as well as being a convenient way to give every character their moments to shine. I know it flies in the face of contrarian views, but not all tropes are bad.
And even your last point doesn't make sense... "cool moments" =/= great moments. The MCU has exceled, especially recently, at tying those great 3rd act moments into the larger narrative of typically both the given movie, as well as the greater shared universe they've built so successfully.
1. Yeah, I wouldn't admit that you "think" anything of the sort, because it doesn't speak well of your opinions. BvS literally had zero stakes or serious discussion about the topic it was supposed to revolve around. How is the GCPD working with a mass murderer now? Somehow I don't think "change of heart" exonerates vigilante premeditated killings. Spouting one-line nonsense about entire cities being empty because everyone is off work (and no one goes out on Friday night in either city apparently). Government hearings blown up before they start but are never mentioned as being revisited (and no one has yet though to mention Superman stealing the space ship from the government and actually being the one to activate it and lead Zod to earth... bet THAT would make for an interesting subplot, but because the DCEU is for emo teens who want to show how mature they are we'll never see it)? As opposed to actual, reasonable, opposing ideologies being discussed throughout Civil War,
"How exactly do you cast anyone from a made up country anyway?" they cast t'challa tho lmao
I really think that Black Widow is the core of it all. Without her the team would never have existed. She's amazing! My favorite BW standalone story was when she had to travel through time to save the avengers but do it in such a subtle way that it would not create a paradox.
The movies are pretty predictable and formulaic. Nothing said in this video actually refuted that point.
The thing about respecting the source material is simple: stay loyal to the spirit of the characters and story as much as possible. Twist the original story and events when they no longer suit the current context, if they're too predictible and when something better is thought of. And most important: know what the fans want.
Ex: Civil War had little to do with the comics, but was still very entertaining and considered a jewel of the MCU. The Mandarin twist in Iron Man 3 was stupid and unwanted for denying a character fans had been waiting for since the first movie.
one of the biggest bs moments was when parents were complaining that Deadpool wasn't child friendly, and that it was too vulgar for a superhero movie. an R rated movie, that Deadpool himself said was not for kids
MCU: You can't beat me.
DCEU: I know I can't.
*MonsterVerse Appears*
DCEU: But he can!
Disney family fun? I would say Captain America Civil War is darker than Batman V Superman because Civil War deals with adult themes like friendship and vengeance while BvS just kinda throws a ton of black and blue on the screen and just have all the characters brooding the entire time.
Marvel currently has better movies than DC, but I prefer DC's actual comics much more.
2 things I have to say:
People say that Vulture was better than all Joker characters in DC movies combined and,
Being a family friendly movie is way better than being too depressing to tell a single joke
You said the ancient one is from a made up country, the ancient one is from Tibet... a real country...
Those 1k dislikes from people who actually complained about Marvel movies and are too spiteful to believe that they're wrong
In my opinion, the problem is not that the villains aren't good, but rather that they end up as forgettable because most are one-time only.