SeniorCharry And by the time of Return of the jedi,Luke had wayyyyyy more skill than in episode IV and V,i guess you can call this list... A SHIT LIST FOR WANKERS! #SHIT LIST FOR WANKERS!
Bane Boskovic Luke didn't have enough skill to actually defeat Vader who has been training and battling in the dark side for 20 years you kidding me son?
Roronoa Zoro it was Vader's internal conflict that defeated him. And it was Luke using both love and hate that gave him the final edge over Vader. During that moment the light and dark side were in major conflict inside Vader which weakened him as he hadn't channelled the light side in so long and it was going against the darkness rather than with it. Luke however had focus as both light and dark sides of the force were both working together to protect Leia. Vader wasn't defeated by a fool, he was defeated and redeemed by love. I understood that even as a child, lol.
Darth Vader lost because he wasn't trying to kill Luke, hence why he saved him from dying by the Emperor's hand. If Vader wanted to kill Luke he could have done it with ease. These lists are completely idiotic sometimes
I think this is just a fundamental way of misconstruing "weakness." Luke didn't win because he was stronger or a more experienced jedi - he won by appealing to Vader's humanity. Outthinking - or at least out-morality-ing him. The trick to defeating someone isn't beating them at their own game, it's getting them to play yours.
clericofchaos1 the emperor is insanely powerful, Luke didn't give up he showed his father that he wouldn't give in to the dark side. seeing his son's rejection of the dark side made Vader realize that he loved his son more than his own power
Scar being defeated by Simba in The Lion King. The guy couldn't even beat Nala, received no formal training on how to fight from ANYBODY, yet he was able to defeat the one lion who singlehandedly enslaved ALL the hyenas. Calling some serious shenanigans on that one, sir.
Cept Scar didn't enslave the pride lands through his own force. Scar is the typical evil genius who will take a stab when the opportunity presents itself, but when it comes to actual fighting skill is definitely lacking. Remember Scar had his hyenas as his enforcers.
Tony Smith But Scar did grow up as, and was raised like a normal lion. Even if he wasn't the greatest fighter, he was still enough of a physical threat to have hundreds of hyenas bow to him. Simba was a total novice at combat of any kind and had no business beating Scar.
Lol, I'm pretty sure none of them had any combat training of any kind, and that they just instinctively do things that would hurt each other. And I don't think the hyenas feared scar because of his fighting ability, it was because he is a lion and he promised to bring them into power.
Marcus Allen Like Hatake said, the hyenas weren't afraid of Scar, they only followed him because he promised to give them the run of the Pridelands. Also not to mention that really Simba defeat Scar at all, he kicked him off and he fell into a bad spot. I can't remember if he fell into fire or the other lions ganged up on him or something, but I know Simba didn't actually win a real fight against Scar.
First off, Scar didn't promise them anything until after the failed assassination of Simba and Nala. Second, if the hyenas didn't fear Scar, they wouldn't have waited to gang up on him after Simba kicked him over that cliff. Third, Simba DID defeat Scar in a fight. Yes, the hyenas finished him off, but the initial battle was won by Simba
if you know anything about Freddy Krueger. He scares them and feeds on their fear . Their Fear makes him more powerful. this is why the crossover between Jason and Freddy had Jason getting in his way. where Jason with straight out kill them Freddie would torment them. this is why he started Jason killing and making people think it was him. He needed people 2 be afraid so he could get to others. as well as the to have the power to get them . The more he scares them the stronger he gets . killing them outright is against his objectives
Also now that I think about it. Freddy Krueger works like a disease. Initially he was able to get to the children whose parents killed him. And even though he will occasionally go after an adult. Primarily he targets children only. Maybe this is because it was his Mo maybe it's because they have a much stronger life force. Whatever the case may be only the children who know his name are infected. He scares them really bad and lets them go they tell their friends and he has a whole new crop to reap. Also thinking about it. Darth Vader was not defeated by Luke Skywalker he was defeated by the emperor. Luke convinced him to switch sides. And got his ass handed to him pretty much every single time he went up against Vader. Except for the last one. In which case he just barely beat Vader. And if you keep track of the movies it's after extensive hard training that he was able to do that. Where is Vader was not training at all. And considering how strong the emperor was one can argue that he should not have fallen to Vader so easily.
Yeah that came across in the movies. He wanted his son to become stronger than him and do what he never could. That's why he tossed Palpatine down the shaft at the end of Episode 6, he didn't want Luke to die.
nah, Luke gave in to the hatred when Vader mentioned turning Leia to the darkside, he went psycho and cut Vaders hand lol, Luke did not intend to kill his father either.
To be fair voldemort in general was pretty shit the "dark lord" that couldnt even take over a single school also for darth vader that was kind of the point, he should have crushed luke but his love for his son, the last remnants of anakin, held him back and he basically just let luke beat him to try and save his son. he thought lukes only option to survive was join papa palpatine and so he let himself be defeated to save lukes life
Jerec 12 even though I completely agree with you if you just go off of what the dialogue said you could argue that Vader legit got beat. Yoda and Obi-Wan did say that Luke could win the second time around so either perspective is fair. Either way the star wars example on here is bogus
he did not let Luke beat him...god, its clear in the movie Luke overpowers him when he mentions turning Leia to the Darkside and the dude loses his grip to hatred...and then he saves his father like he intended to.
bluhmer1990 You're right. He left out the time between episode 5 and 6 where Luke was trained by Yoda, one of the most powerful jedi to ever live. He also left out Luke's above average connection to the force.
I don't think Luke is stronger than Vader but bro... Luke had 3 years of training with OBI WAN AND YODA! The top 3 arguably best Jedi! Darth Vader was in a suit which withheld him from most of his abilities!
Vader killed almost all jedi. He was holding back. He had to make a whole new lightsaber style to fit with his armor. And he also was probing luke's mind and making him angry.
THEone RECKER Where is it mentioned that Vader killed almost all jedi 'couse as much as I am unaware about disney SW canon, in original one he killed like what hundred jedi when there was few thousands of them during ROTS events
Vader isn't as power as he should've been after being crippled. However, the one trait of the Skywalker family is raw power. What you have to remember is that the Jedi don't even consider Luke a Jedi yet, not until he beat Vader. They were just hoping that his raw power and the training he received was enough. Their biggest issue, actually, would be the Skywalker family's affinity for The Dark Side.
Erich von Manstein grade a cynic. a fan boy or fan girl is saying they love it so much that they can't do anything wrong. he just said she was binge watching probably out of boredom
In Creed 2, I hope we find what happens to Clubber Lang and Ivan Drago. They were both complete beasts, and they aren't going to retire after one single loss.
To be fair, Voldemort was never really that powerful. What was so dangerous about him was that he was practically immortal because of the Horcruxes. He would never truly die until they were destroyed. He also used the elderwand, which didn't belong to him, and only really used the killing curse because he didn't have the skill to kill any one any other way. He was an above average wizard with immortality. That's all.
Noochers The Redstoner No, it belonged to Harry, it never belonged to Voldemort. Draco disarmed Dumbledore making it Draco's, Harry Disarmed Draco making it his. The wand resisted because it didn't want to hurt it's Master.
Noochers The Redstoner One, the creator was death, the first owner was murdered. But you don't have to murder them. A simple disarm works too. That's how Dumbledore got it from Grindelwald. Also, there's the whole speech Harry gives that tells you it never belonged to Voldemort, It belonged to Draco then Harry.
It was more the element of surprise that defeated Vader; He thought he had Luke's number, but then Luke got angry, accessing the Dark Side, giving him a sudden boost of power. Sort of like if a boxer is suddenly hit with brass knuckles instead of a glove.
Agreed - to say that Luke defeated Vader is kinda like saying that the small kid who threw dirt in the eyes of the larger kid on the playground defeated the larger kid: Vader was simply caught off guard by Luke's sudden rage because Vader wasn't anticipating a fight to the death - he was hoping to turn Luke, not kill him.
The point behind Rocky was that he trained his fucking ass off to become the best and beat the best. He prepared and he worked harder then his competition.
Marty was smarter than Biff. And lots of people have glass jaws. The Tannen weakness may have been glass jaws. Also the Tannens were fools. Jaws? He was a shark and he was bested by human beings. That entry was weak sauce. Voldemort was defeated by Dumbledore. Harry was more like the weapon that Dumbledore used. Not to take anything away from Harry but he did not defeat Voldemort single handed. If not for Dumbledore's plan (even if it did go a bit wrong) Harry would have most likely died and Voldemort would have won. Also the elder wand had chosen Harry to give it's allegiance to so it refused to kill him and that is why the disarm spell worked like it did. Just saying watch the damn movies or read the books it's not that hard of a concept. Luke? This one was straight stupid. By the third movie he was more than ready to face Vader. Every instance of him being saved you mention is when he was still weak and training. Come on I know this is just a stupid youtube list but you could do a little research on the movies you add to it. But in reality the reason these guys won is because they are fictional stories and, while entertaining sometimes, the bad guy winning isn't as satisfying. Just saying...
A list on youtube is not stupid. What's is making a list like this and listing characters that don't qualify at all or aren't what is listed. I recall some similar list by screw attack of 10 fool characters or dumb characters in video games as in intelligence when none of them were dumb they made a dumb decision is what the poster listed which is a completely different thing entirely.
The answer to pretty much every objection raised to the plots is that films that become enormous hits are followed by millions of fairly ordinary people. The biggest hits often have quite ordinary protagonists - and it's obvious why. The bigger the baddie, the more thrilling the victory.
The reason Harry was able to redirect Voldemort's killing curse was because he was the true master of the Elder Wand which is the wand Voldemort was using.
The Seven Dwarves are an interesting group. In the book, they turn into wolves and tear Maleficent apart, but when Disney wrote the script for the movie that was deemed a little too far over the top so they changed it. As for their mining acumen, they worked for themselves and were (supposedly) brothers. Hard to fire a family member... Although Dopey swinging a pickaxe just sounds like a terrible idea. Loved the list! Thank you!!!
All jokes aside, I'm a bit concerned you folks don't understand the way the heroic narrative works. This is important, since the story-cycle of the hero is the narrative which defines our age. There's a reason why Star Wars was venerated by the likes of Carl Jung and Joseph Campbell: it's an almost perfect manifestation of the heroic narrative. What makes a hero a hero isn't massively superior dominance, it's spiritual strength. To quote the Tao Te Ching, _"To conquer an army is strength; to conquer oneself is true power. To know another is knowledge; to know oneself is true wisdom."_ This is the point of, for example, Harry Potter and Luke Skywalker, that they _aren't_ stronger or more fierce or more skilled than their enemies, and that their victory comes from a more subtle force (no pun intended) in the realm of the spiritual. The reason it's important for you at WhatCulture to understand this is you are how many young people access the narratives of our culture, and as we've seen from the results of the US election, the heroic story-cycle desperately needs to be refreshed. We've begun celebrating the villains, paying respect to might and the loudest, most arrogant voice. Our species needs to be reminded of the power of the hero to overcome even the most daunting odds, to lay low the most terrible of enemies and give hope when all else is lost.
Klojoost this is what happens when a star wars movie is about to come out and TH-camrs who know nothing about the franchise make videos including it for clicks.
I'd put Luke being saved on Bespin down to Leia, not Lando. Lando wanted to leave him behind, it was Leia who sensed where he was and both she and Chewie did all the flying. All Lando did was catch him.
I agree with this. The first time that Vader and Luke faced off Vader was kicking his ass while only toying with him and Luke only escaped by falling down a hole after losing a hand. And he beat Vader the second time by refusing to fight and making him realize that he's been getting played by the emperor, not because of him being a better fighter.
Why was Darth the bad guy? He was the star for me.Darth had style - look at how he killed his generals when they failed him - now that is a villain with real panache.
Ya wait he's the bad guy? WHAT? i thought star wars the original trilogy was one of the few movies where the baddies win, the order seeking empire falls to a bunch of destructive terrorists and we're told that was a good thing? lol but in all seriousness Darth was the BAMF of my childhood ill tell you that
Skynet could not send a terminator back to kill child Sarah because it only had very incomplete information about her, basically just her name and one of the cities she lived in. It didn't even know WHICH Sarah Connor living in that city at that time was the correct one, it had to program the terminator to kill ALL the Sarah Connor in that place's phone book to be certain he killed the right one.
Yes, technically Voldemort was undone by a disarming spell. But what really caused it was his inability to learn from his mistakes. You're making the same mistake in this video as Voldemort makes: only looking at magical power. Harry was never going to beat Voldemort by being more magically powerful than him. Voldemort doesn't recognize that there's more than just being powerful. But Harry has pretty decent grades and is the best in defence, so I wouldn't say he's not powerful. He's also not stupid, he shows his intelligence many times in the books, thought admittedly not so much in the movies.
Yeah. Harry knew Voldemort was a power hungry psychopath who was too tunnelvisioned to pay attention to subtle details. But Harry knew that the Elder Wand belong to the last person who disarmed it from another. Voldemort caused his own killing spell to backfire by forcing the wand to do his bidding while he wasn't it's master.
Adam from WhatCulture, the part where you superimpose your face in and ask Bruce the shark, "how did you get that head in there shark? ANSWER ME?" That... was.... HILARIOUSLY done sir. You are funny. Marry me? Ok fine I'll just subscribe.
Half of these villains died for reasons other than plot convenience. For example. Voldemort died when his killing curse rebounded. He wasn't the true owner of the elder wand. Harry was. And the wand refused to harm it's owner. And baser was defeated by Luke because of sentiment. In ESB, Bader was toying with Luke to tire him out. He easily overpowered him. In ROTJ, Luke has grown stronger, but is only a match for Vader because Vader is in conflict with himself over fighting his own son.
Brilliant points made on all bar the Borg Queen. I think its fair to say that Picard et al, talked her to death with their psuedo scientific plot progressing dialog.
Could go further than Darth Vader. The Galactic Empire, an organization with the resources to build a weapon that can evaporate planets in an instant and which rules the entire observable universe, is brought down by a bunch of treehouse-dwelling teddy bears armed with toothpicks.
Ummm, they captured renowned intergalactic smuggler Han solo and most powerful Jedi knight like Skywalker too... Sooo clearly besting the storm troopers wasn't a fluke.
Actually Luke was a skilled Jedy knight that had been trained by Obi Wan Kenobi and Yoda, while being constrained into a walking iron lung made Darth Vader look menacious, but probably took its toll on his fighting skills.
Harry Potter chose not to use the killing curse, not because of magical restrictions, but because using it requires true hate and evil, so much that it can split one's soul. Harry choosing to disarm Voldemort in the end shows Harry's true goodness.
there is a convoluted yet real explanation as to why voldemort lost, harry being a fool or not doesnt change that. so adding it to this list makes it null and void and sounds more like one hell of a personal nitpik
Which is the main reason that I think episode 8 will treat us like idiots. I mean people both seemed to miss both that Kylo Rens Lightsaber had vents and the scene where Snoke asks him not to kill her, and the scene where Kylo himself says that he doesnt want to kill her.
As I remember, the Terminator is sent back as far as the technology of the future can reach. Also, it's finally destroyed by a mechanical press, not Sarah Connor directly. Frankly, the Terminator makes quite a few errors, which is why the protagonists are able to stay one step ahead for most of the film.
I would like to say that Wes Craven's New Nightmare is a legitimately good addition to the Freddy Krueger series and ads an even deeper level of, oh god I'm never going to sleep after this, that the original movies practically patented. Though it isn't worth watching more than once and only if you happen to really like the previous films and even then it's a bit of a stretch.
Luke grew a lot between episodes V and VI. He became a true jedi and was able to beat Vader by giving into his anger. This is why the emperor wanted to turn him to the dark side, he knew how powerful Luke really was.
The only point made that I agree with, is the one made for Armageddon. The rest had heroes that built up their strength in order to best their superior adversaries. That makes sense and is realistic. Well, for what it is. The whole drillers turned astronauts thing is just ridiculous.
Bruce killed the sea captain. The Borg Queen is immortal. did you not watch Voyager? She dies she downloads into one of her countless spare bodies and resumes leading the Borg. Voldemort killed himself because he stupidly turned Harry into a Horcrux without even realising that his survival was linked to the boy wizard he had been trying to kill for years. so he died because he was stupid. the evil queen didn't get killed by the dwarves, she tried to kill them with a boulder and she tripped and fell to her death. and Vader was not killed by Luke but by the Emperor shorting out his suit.
Technically speaking, Voldemorts death was by his own hands. He was trying to kill Harry using the Elder Wand which will never kill it's true owner, which by that point WAS Harry.
You kind of explained yourself why Luke managed to eventually defeat Vader, get his ass saved until his skills where enough to best him. Also Data did most of the legwork on defeating the Queen and he's actually insanely capable.
Rocky has never beaten a key opponent by possessing superior skills: 1) Creed - his heart carried him through the victory 2) Clubber - his brains. He let Lang tire himself out 3) Drago - he out willed and pressured the in-ring bully (hence the phrase 'no pain') 4) Tommy - won in a street fighter 5) Mason - he lost to. Come on Adam. You can do better than that!
The queen didn't want Picard as an equal in First Contact, she even says so "As you can see I have already found an equal. Data!" Plus Picard kicks ass
To a point, Armageddon glances over the outer space portion since the asteroid apparently has "gravity" that seems like it's just as similar to Earth's gravity unless you're suddenly thrust into the air. But I would argue that drilling into something you don't know would be harder for someone who's only learned it for a few months compared to just riding along in a spacecraft and working on an asteroid with gravity. Bruce's lines saying that drilling is an art, that he's been doing it his whole life and still doesn't completely understand, and that he's the best because he works with the best are very good lines in the movie.
You have to understand that in the final Harry Potter film, the elder wand was failing Voldemort and 7 8ths of old Voldey's soul were destroyed, massively weakening him....
Darth Vader lost cause he was feeling conflicted he didn't really want to kill Luke. If he did he would have done it super easily. Plus Vader caused Luke to give into his hate and Vader even said in the Star Wars return of the Jedi novel that Luke had lashed out in anger with unexpected power
Rowling actually perfectly explains why it was possible for Voldemort to kill Harry - all his horcruxes were gone and he was using the Elder Wand that technically wasn't even his and was Harry's at that point and Harry sacrificed himself eliminating the horcrux within him. It actually makes sense in that world regardless of the fact that Harry had about 1/100th the skill Voldemort did. Oh and it's also mentioned that nobody can really use the unforgivable curses unless you really have that evil or rage inside of you and even if you do it takes a lot of practice to utilise it correctly, which is why someone like Harry wouldn't have been able to use it against Voldemort (not even Dumbledore used Avada kedavra, ever). Most of the "plot holes" people pick in the Potter movies aren't plot holes at all if you read the books.
You've got Rocky all wrong. He was underachieving because he didn't train hard and partly because no trainers saw potential in him so he didn't get that mentorship he needed. And in Rocky three he finds out Mickey was protecting him from more dangerous fighters and padding his record. And he gets his ass whooped in the first fight against Clubber.
Darth Vader was fighting at a disadvantage since he was trying to convert his son, not kill him, and Luke had been training since the end of ESB. Boba Fett on the other hand, he went down like a chump.
Luke isn't a fool, though. The whole point of Star Wars is that Luke trains over time and becomes better while also having a natural affinity for the Jedi arts. Yes, he nearly gets destroyed by Vader in IV and beaten by him in V, but given his lack of experience in both space and lightsaber combat, he did pretty well given his natural ability. He improves over time because he gets more experience. By episode VI, he's completed his training with Master Yoda and is a proper Jedi. Many have pointed out already here that Vader also wasn't trying to kill Luke, but that doesn't illegitimate the fact that Luke was a very skilled hand with a lightsaber in his own right at this point.
Actually they did send a terminator back to when Sarah Connor was a toddler, the real question is why don't they send a few back to the same time and place over time so there is an army of T-1000's??
Isn't that the point of every action movie though? The underdog hero who ends up defeating a mightier foe agaisnt the odds? If the audience started with the idea that it was easy for the hero to win, the movie would lose all tension.
Well to be fare Darth Vader was never trying to kill Luke.
SeniorCharry And by the time of Return of the jedi,Luke had wayyyyyy more skill than in episode IV and V,i guess you can call this list...
A SHIT LIST FOR WANKERS!
#SHIT LIST FOR WANKERS!
Bane Boskovic Luke didn't have enough skill to actually defeat Vader who has been training and battling in the dark side for 20 years you kidding me son?
Roronoa Zoro it was Vader's internal conflict that defeated him. And it was Luke using both love and hate that gave him the final edge over Vader. During that moment the light and dark side were in major conflict inside Vader which weakened him as he hadn't channelled the light side in so long and it was going against the darkness rather than with it. Luke however had focus as both light and dark sides of the force were both working together to protect Leia. Vader wasn't defeated by a fool, he was defeated and redeemed by love. I understood that even as a child, lol.
He also was old and maybe that made his fighting ability worsen
michael that has nothing to do with it ,,,
Darth Vader lost because he wasn't trying to kill Luke, hence why he saved him from dying by the Emperor's hand. If Vader wanted to kill Luke he could have done it with ease. These lists are completely idiotic sometimes
Josh Phoenix Agreed
I think this is just a fundamental way of misconstruing "weakness." Luke didn't win because he was stronger or a more experienced jedi - he won by appealing to Vader's humanity. Outthinking - or at least out-morality-ing him. The trick to defeating someone isn't beating them at their own game, it's getting them to play yours.
mmm im not sure if its even that. The Dark Side is about PASSION, Love is a form of Passion so the whole him being redeemed by it was bullshit.
i think you've confused passionate love with parental love.
Gregory Samuel Teo no im not. you can passionately love your children. Passionate love isn't inherently sexual
Wicked Witch of the West, killed by a bumbling girl with a bucket of water.
As did her sister, although that was more the house.
Could have titled this video "I don't like the literary device of david vs goliath"
So right, fuck you Adam, bully
well it is pretty dumb
He didn't actually say this stuff was all bad
...technically the emperor defeated vader. luke essentially gave up.
clericofchaos1 the emperor is insanely powerful, Luke didn't give up he showed his father that he wouldn't give in to the dark side. seeing his son's rejection of the dark side made Vader realize that he loved his son more than his own power
Scar being defeated by Simba in The Lion King. The guy couldn't even beat Nala, received no formal training on how to fight from ANYBODY, yet he was able to defeat the one lion who singlehandedly enslaved ALL the hyenas.
Calling some serious shenanigans on that one, sir.
Cept Scar didn't enslave the pride lands through his own force. Scar is the typical evil genius who will take a stab when the opportunity presents itself, but when it comes to actual fighting skill is definitely lacking. Remember Scar had his hyenas as his enforcers.
Tony Smith But Scar did grow up as, and was raised like a normal lion. Even if he wasn't the greatest fighter, he was still enough of a physical threat to have hundreds of hyenas bow to him. Simba was a total novice at combat of any kind and had no business beating Scar.
Lol, I'm pretty sure none of them had any combat training of any kind, and that they just instinctively do things that would hurt each other. And I don't think the hyenas feared scar because of his fighting ability, it was because he is a lion and he promised to bring them into power.
Marcus Allen
Like Hatake said, the hyenas weren't afraid of Scar, they only followed him because he promised to give them the run of the Pridelands. Also not to mention that really Simba defeat Scar at all, he kicked him off and he fell into a bad spot. I can't remember if he fell into fire or the other lions ganged up on him or something, but I know Simba didn't actually win a real fight against Scar.
First off, Scar didn't promise them anything until after the failed assassination of Simba and Nala. Second, if the hyenas didn't fear Scar, they wouldn't have waited to gang up on him after Simba kicked him over that cliff. Third, Simba DID defeat Scar in a fight. Yes, the hyenas finished him off, but the initial battle was won by Simba
if you know anything about Freddy Krueger. He scares them and feeds on their fear . Their Fear makes him more powerful. this is why the crossover between Jason and Freddy had Jason getting in his way. where Jason with straight out kill them Freddie would torment them. this is why he started Jason killing and making people think it was him. He needed people 2 be afraid so he could get to others. as well as the to have the power to get them . The more he scares them the stronger he gets . killing them outright is against his objectives
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Jim Tabor Finallu someone says it
Huh?
Oh I get it now.
Also now that I think about it. Freddy Krueger works like a disease. Initially he was able to get to the children whose parents killed him. And even though he will occasionally go after an adult. Primarily he targets children only. Maybe this is because it was his Mo maybe it's because they have a much stronger life force. Whatever the case may be only the children who know his name are infected. He scares them really bad and lets them go they tell their friends and he has a whole new crop to reap. Also thinking about it. Darth Vader was not defeated by Luke Skywalker he was defeated by the emperor. Luke convinced him to switch sides. And got his ass handed to him pretty much every single time he went up against Vader. Except for the last one. In which case he just barely beat Vader. And if you keep track of the movies it's after extensive hard training that he was able to do that. Where is Vader was not training at all. And considering how strong the emperor was one can argue that he should not have fallen to Vader so easily.
IMO the reason Luke bested Vader was because Vader didn't want to kill him.
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Vader was probally done with live. I know i would be if my boss was a backstabbing rimpely old man
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Yeah that came across in the movies. He wanted his son to become stronger than him and do what he never could. That's why he tossed Palpatine down the shaft at the end of Episode 6, he didn't want Luke to die.
nah, Luke gave in to the hatred when Vader mentioned turning Leia to the darkside, he went psycho and cut Vaders hand lol, Luke did not intend to kill his father either.
On Marty's story The Tannen Family was very aggressive but incredibly stupid
So the classic case of brawn but a large lack of brains.
An entire family tree of Buttheads. They should have made like said tree, and got outta there!
In the book he dies as a human not a monster. Voldemort wants to die as a monster.
Adrian SH exactly. The entire point of voldemort's death is that in the end, he died the most human and slightly pathetic death of them all
Adrian SH voldemort didnt want to die period.
Gilmartin Pares yeah, but if he did die. He wanted to die as a monster and not a human, because he thinks he is better than humans.
***** of course but his whole thing is that he is so above everyone that he doesn't think he should die and live forever
and therein lies the problem. if you look at any movie that was adapted from a book, you rarely get something thats true to the book.
How the fuck is Luke beating Vader on here? Luke was the most powerful force user of all time.
of all time!
And it was supposidly a year or so between episode 1 and 2.
Ryan Wadsworth not at that time HE wasn't
Ryan Wadsworth don't know why he was capitalized
Ryan Wadsworth no he's not darth Vader is the most powerful force user Luke has a fraction of that power
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I will fight anyone who calls Jean-Luc Picard a fool.
To be fair voldemort in general was pretty shit
the "dark lord" that couldnt even take over a single school
also for darth vader that was kind of the point, he should have crushed luke but his love for his son, the last remnants of anakin, held him back and he basically just let luke beat him to try and save his son. he thought lukes only option to survive was join papa palpatine and so he let himself be defeated to save lukes life
Jerec 12 un surprised that with all the shit that happened that school wasn't shut down
Jerec 12 I agree finally someone who knows Star Wars.
Jerec 12 even though I completely agree with you if you just go off of what the dialogue said you could argue that Vader legit got beat. Yoda and Obi-Wan did say that Luke could win the second time around so either perspective is fair. Either way the star wars example on here is bogus
Nah, he hated his son...
There is probably people that think that, it really feels like a biiig part of Star Wars fans are idiots.
he did not let Luke beat him...god, its clear in the movie Luke overpowers him when he mentions turning Leia to the Darkside and the dude loses his grip to hatred...and then he saves his father like he intended to.
I think you horribly over-simplified what happened in Star Wars.
He really didn't.
bluhmer1990 You're right. He left out the time between episode 5 and 6 where Luke was trained by Yoda, one of the most powerful jedi to ever live. He also left out Luke's above average connection to the force.
Diedkid 145 All the things Vadar had and more.
bluhmer1990 Well Vader's connection to the force was weakened due to his cybernetics and he internally conflicted during the fight.
Vader wasn't fighting at full strength because he still had the light side of the force
I don't think Luke is stronger than Vader but bro... Luke had 3 years of training with OBI WAN AND YODA! The top 3 arguably best Jedi! Darth Vader was in a suit which withheld him from most of his abilities!
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Matthew Triem Vader held back and let Luke win
Vader killed almost all jedi. He was holding back. He had to make a whole new lightsaber style to fit with his armor. And he also was probing luke's mind and making him angry.
THEone RECKER Where is it mentioned that Vader killed almost all jedi 'couse as much as I am unaware about disney SW canon, in original one he killed like what hundred jedi when there was few thousands of them during ROTS events
Vader isn't as power as he should've been after being crippled. However, the one trait of the Skywalker family is raw power. What you have to remember is that the Jedi don't even consider Luke a Jedi yet, not until he beat Vader. They were just hoping that his raw power and the training he received was enough. Their biggest issue, actually, would be the Skywalker family's affinity for The Dark Side.
I've been on a what culture binge today
samlikesfilms yeah and me been laughing all day
Grade A fangirl
Erich von Manstein grade a cynic. a fan boy or fan girl is saying they love it so much that they can't do anything wrong. he just said she was binge watching probably out of boredom
Aww! Come on! There's no way Sauron doesn't make this list!
Harry and Frodo, two of the luckiest heroes to ever live . . . and aggravating as hell.
Nah harry didn't defeat Voldemort, Dumbledumb and Snape did. Harry was just a puppet.
That is not true!
Harry was a pig offered up for sacrifice. Snape said so. ROFLMAO
Jean-Luc Picard and Data are "complete fools"? What?
Apparently so are Marty McFly and Luke MOTHERFUCKING Skywalker. This list? I call bullshit, good sir.
"he was completely outclassed " I notice he wasn't a complete fool, so this list is pretty bullshit.
In Creed 2, I hope we find what happens to Clubber Lang and Ivan Drago. They were both complete beasts, and they aren't going to retire after one single loss.
man I love your videos!!
To be fair, Voldemort was never really that powerful. What was so dangerous about him was that he was practically immortal because of the Horcruxes. He would never truly die until they were destroyed. He also used the elderwand, which didn't belong to him, and only really used the killing curse because he didn't have the skill to kill any one any other way. He was an above average wizard with immortality. That's all.
PizzaGrenade nerdddddddd
Noochers The Redstoner No, it belonged to Harry, it never belonged to Voldemort. Draco disarmed Dumbledore making it Draco's, Harry Disarmed Draco making it his. The wand resisted because it didn't want to hurt it's Master.
Team Valor nerds are fucking cool dude
Elder wand maker
Noochers The Redstoner One, the creator was death, the first owner was murdered. But you don't have to murder them. A simple disarm works too. That's how Dumbledore got it from Grindelwald. Also, there's the whole speech Harry gives that tells you it never belonged to Voldemort, It belonged to Draco then Harry.
It was more the element of surprise that defeated Vader; He thought he had Luke's number, but then Luke got angry, accessing the Dark Side, giving him a sudden boost of power. Sort of like if a boxer is suddenly hit with brass knuckles instead of a glove.
Agreed - to say that Luke defeated Vader is kinda like saying that the small kid who threw dirt in the eyes of the larger kid on the playground defeated the larger kid: Vader was simply caught off guard by Luke's sudden rage because Vader wasn't anticipating a fight to the death - he was hoping to turn Luke, not kill him.
Pretty much. Vader only lost because he didn't want to kill his son.
Tom Cruise in Collateral losing to Jamie Foxx
Sarah Smith that is so true.
Wait wait wait...
his name was *BRUCE*!?
😐 #floored
Spielberg named him after his accountant or something like that, it's completely off the record but yes, that's it's name...
The shark from Finding Nemo makes so much sense now
Nemo ahh okay cool fact man
Nemo He was named after Stevens lawyer 🤗
The point behind Rocky was that he trained his fucking ass off to become the best and beat the best. He prepared and he worked harder then his competition.
Marty was smarter than Biff. And lots of people have glass jaws. The Tannen weakness may have been glass jaws. Also the Tannens were fools. Jaws? He was a shark and he was bested by human beings. That entry was weak sauce. Voldemort was defeated by Dumbledore. Harry was more like the weapon that Dumbledore used. Not to take anything away from Harry but he did not defeat Voldemort single handed. If not for Dumbledore's plan (even if it did go a bit wrong) Harry would have most likely died and Voldemort would have won. Also the elder wand had chosen Harry to give it's allegiance to so it refused to kill him and that is why the disarm spell worked like it did. Just saying watch the damn movies or read the books it's not that hard of a concept. Luke? This one was straight stupid. By the third movie he was more than ready to face Vader. Every instance of him being saved you mention is when he was still weak and training. Come on I know this is just a stupid youtube list but you could do a little research on the movies you add to it. But in reality the reason these guys won is because they are fictional stories and, while entertaining sometimes, the bad guy winning isn't as satisfying. Just saying...
A list on youtube is not stupid.
What's is making a list like this and listing characters that don't qualify at all or aren't what is listed.
I recall some similar list by screw attack of 10 fool characters or dumb characters in video games as in intelligence when none of them were dumb they made a dumb decision is what the poster listed which is a completely different thing entirely.
The answer to pretty much every objection raised to the plots is that films that become enormous hits are followed by millions of fairly ordinary people. The biggest hits often have quite ordinary protagonists - and it's obvious why. The bigger the baddie, the more thrilling the victory.
You forget, without R2-D2 they ALL would have dead on multiple occasions. The real hero of Star wars.
There's a reason Ben Affleck got 2 Academy Awards and Michael Bay got stage fright while trying to sell TVs.
The reason Harry was able to redirect Voldemort's killing curse was because he was the true master of the Elder Wand which is the wand Voldemort was using.
haha! I liked it! Regardless of comparison opinions, I was quite entertained! Thank you WhatCulture!
The Seven Dwarves are an interesting group. In the book, they turn into wolves and tear Maleficent apart, but when Disney wrote the script for the movie that was deemed a little too far over the top so they changed it. As for their mining acumen, they worked for themselves and were (supposedly) brothers. Hard to fire a family member... Although Dopey swinging a pickaxe just sounds like a terrible idea. Loved the list! Thank you!!!
All jokes aside, I'm a bit concerned you folks don't understand the way the heroic narrative works. This is important, since the story-cycle of the hero is the narrative which defines our age. There's a reason why Star Wars was venerated by the likes of Carl Jung and Joseph Campbell: it's an almost perfect manifestation of the heroic narrative.
What makes a hero a hero isn't massively superior dominance, it's spiritual strength. To quote the Tao Te Ching, _"To conquer an army is strength; to conquer oneself is true power. To know another is knowledge; to know oneself is true wisdom."_ This is the point of, for example, Harry Potter and Luke Skywalker, that they _aren't_ stronger or more fierce or more skilled than their enemies, and that their victory comes from a more subtle force (no pun intended) in the realm of the spiritual.
The reason it's important for you at WhatCulture to understand this is you are how many young people access the narratives of our culture, and as we've seen from the results of the US election, the heroic story-cycle desperately needs to be refreshed. We've begun celebrating the villains, paying respect to might and the loudest, most arrogant voice. Our species needs to be reminded of the power of the hero to overcome even the most daunting odds, to lay low the most terrible of enemies and give hope when all else is lost.
What jokes exactly? I'm pretty sure this list is utterly serious which makes it very laughable because none are debatable.
General Grievous lost to a fool who didn't realise he had been trained by Count Dooku!
I dont really agree with the star wars one
Klojoost neither there is a story behind why he lost
Klojoost this is what happens when a star wars movie is about to come out and TH-camrs who know nothing about the franchise make videos including it for clicks.
Klojoost Don't agree with over half of them 🤔😄
too much cynism in those idea to be revelant..... farmer boy fixing gay robot... what a deep analysis
Alexandre Beaudry ya...didn't enjoy the video tbh
I'd put Luke being saved on Bespin down to Leia, not Lando. Lando wanted to leave him behind, it was Leia who sensed where he was and both she and Chewie did all the flying. All Lando did was catch him.
Luke was a JEDI KNIGHT at this point. Fully trained and extremely powerful in the force. One of the most powerful Jedi ever, actually. So just STOP.
I agree with this. The first time that Vader and Luke faced off Vader was kicking his ass while only toying with him and Luke only escaped by falling down a hole after losing a hand. And he beat Vader the second time by refusing to fight and making him realize that he's been getting played by the emperor, not because of him being a better fighter.
Why was Darth the bad guy? He was the star for me.Darth had style - look at how he killed his generals when they failed him - now that is a villain with real panache.
Ya wait he's the bad guy? WHAT? i thought star wars the original trilogy was one of the few movies where the baddies win, the order seeking empire falls to a bunch of destructive terrorists and we're told that was a good thing? lol but in all seriousness Darth was the BAMF of my childhood ill tell you that
The empire has also commited multiple genocides, something to think about!
Sure.But you are aware its just a movie,right???
Skynet could not send a terminator back to kill child Sarah because it only had very incomplete information about her, basically just her name and one of the cities she lived in. It didn't even know WHICH Sarah Connor living in that city at that time was the correct one, it had to program the terminator to kill ALL the Sarah Connor in that place's phone book to be certain he killed the right one.
Couldent they send a terminator back to get information so they could make sure it worked?
Euan Dunbar
Well, I'm sure it was part of Skynet's plan, but John Conner blowing it up probably put an end to that ^_^
In Rocky's defence, Mickey did tell him he could have been a contender, but never lived up to his potential, before the fights with Apollo Creed.
Adam! I found you again... Almost thought you left the channel. Whew, WhatCulture wouldn't be the same without you.
What about Sauron... defeated by a gardener and an adolescent who couldn't stand up for more than ten minutes, both under 4ft tall
J. Mike Good point well made
Yes, technically Voldemort was undone by a disarming spell. But what really caused it was his inability to learn from his mistakes. You're making the same mistake in this video as Voldemort makes: only looking at magical power. Harry was never going to beat Voldemort by being more magically powerful than him. Voldemort doesn't recognize that there's more than just being powerful. But Harry has pretty decent grades and is the best in defence, so I wouldn't say he's not powerful. He's also not stupid, he shows his intelligence many times in the books, thought admittedly not so much in the movies.
Dion7 I aint a Harry Potter fan but wasnt all because the wand Voldemort was using belong to Harry so the wand couldnt be controlled by Voldemort
Yeah. Harry knew Voldemort was a power hungry psychopath who was too tunnelvisioned to pay attention to subtle details. But Harry knew that the Elder Wand belong to the last person who disarmed it from another. Voldemort caused his own killing spell to backfire by forcing the wand to do his bidding while he wasn't it's master.
Adam from WhatCulture, the part where you superimpose your face in and ask Bruce the shark, "how did you get that head in there shark? ANSWER ME?" That... was.... HILARIOUSLY done sir. You are funny. Marry me? Ok fine I'll just subscribe.
the hp books explain the situation quite well
Vader wasn't really trying to kill Luke, and Luke's also the most powerful force user EVER.
Half of these villains died for reasons other than plot convenience. For example. Voldemort died when his killing curse rebounded. He wasn't the true owner of the elder wand. Harry was. And the wand refused to harm it's owner. And baser was defeated by Luke because of sentiment. In ESB, Bader was toying with Luke to tire him out. He easily overpowered him. In ROTJ, Luke has grown stronger, but is only a match for Vader because Vader is in conflict with himself over fighting his own son.
3:58 I love that part. Well done
Lost to a boozy police chief, lost to a boozy sea captain, and lost to a boozy marine biologist. RIP Bruce.
I think he got the sea captain....
Brilliant points made on all bar the Borg Queen. I think its fair to say that Picard et al, talked her to death with their psuedo scientific plot progressing dialog.
Could go further than Darth Vader. The Galactic Empire, an organization with the resources to build a weapon that can evaporate planets in an instant and which rules the entire observable universe, is brought down by a bunch of treehouse-dwelling teddy bears armed with toothpicks.
that's because they got their armor on the cheep.
Ummm, they captured renowned intergalactic smuggler Han solo and most powerful Jedi knight like Skywalker too... Sooo clearly besting the storm troopers wasn't a fluke.
You must be fun at parties.
Number 1 should've been The Wizard of Oz, farm girl kills witch with bucket of water over a pair of ruby slippers.
Thanks for the Pilkington clip
Luke Skywalker is the most powerful Jedi of all time
Hello, Barry. How's everybody in the future, who's dead and who isn't.
Not true there were many much more powerful in the past, ones who could destroy planets, even star systems.
Says someone who must not have seen the prequels.
Not anymore. All the legends shit is gone now. Luke isn't that powerful anymore.
meh in his heyday Obi-Wan Kenobi was as strong as Mace Windu and as wise as Yoda
Luke being lightning blasted by the emperor made Vader change his mind.
Karl Pilkington making an appearance at the end was the best part of this video.
I'm new to this but Adam is awesome. he actually makes me laugh out loud.
Actually Luke was a skilled Jedy knight that had been trained by Obi Wan Kenobi and Yoda, while being constrained into a walking iron lung made Darth Vader look menacious, but probably took its toll on his fighting skills.
Harry Potter chose not to use the killing curse, not because of magical restrictions, but because using it requires true hate and evil, so much that it can split one's soul. Harry choosing to disarm Voldemort in the end shows Harry's true goodness.
there is a convoluted yet real explanation as to why voldemort lost, harry being a fool or not doesnt change that. so adding it to this list makes it null and void and sounds more like one hell of a personal nitpik
Star Wars can never again recapture the majesty of the original trilogy. They will just be eye candy at best.
is it just me or does everybody just dream if having lunch with adam because his voice is so amazing?
#1 should be Rey and Kylo anyways.....?
except with Vader vs Luke, Kylo didn't want to kill Rey.
Which is the main reason that I think episode 8 will treat us like idiots. I mean people both seemed to miss both that Kylo Rens Lightsaber had vents and the scene where Snoke asks him not to kill her, and the scene where Kylo himself says that he doesnt want to kill her.
technically speaking the machine press killed the Terminator. Sara just pressed the button.
As I remember, the Terminator is sent back as far as the technology of the future can reach. Also, it's finally destroyed by a mechanical press, not Sarah Connor directly. Frankly, the Terminator makes quite a few errors, which is why the protagonists are able to stay one step ahead for most of the film.
As a die-hard Star Wars supernerd, I'm appalled by your placing this on the list. 😮
I would like to say that Wes Craven's New Nightmare is a legitimately good addition to the Freddy Krueger series and ads an even deeper level of, oh god I'm never going to sleep after this, that the original movies practically patented. Though it isn't worth watching more than once and only if you happen to really like the previous films and even then it's a bit of a stretch.
Luke grew a lot between episodes V and VI. He became a true jedi and was able to beat Vader by giving into his anger. This is why the emperor wanted to turn him to the dark side, he knew how powerful Luke really was.
The only point made that I agree with, is the one made for Armageddon. The rest had heroes that built up their strength in order to best their superior adversaries. That makes sense and is realistic. Well, for what it is. The whole drillers turned astronauts thing is just ridiculous.
Bruce killed the sea captain. The Borg Queen is immortal. did you not watch Voyager? She dies she downloads into one of her countless spare bodies and resumes leading the Borg. Voldemort killed himself because he stupidly turned Harry into a Horcrux without even realising that his survival was linked to the boy wizard he had been trying to kill for years. so he died because he was stupid. the evil queen didn't get killed by the dwarves, she tried to kill them with a boulder and she tripped and fell to her death. and Vader was not killed by Luke but by the Emperor shorting out his suit.
Vader was holding back because he did not want to kill his son.
Technically speaking, Voldemorts death was by his own hands. He was trying to kill Harry using the Elder Wand which will never kill it's true owner, which by that point WAS Harry.
You kind of explained yourself why Luke managed to eventually defeat Vader, get his ass saved until his skills where enough to best him.
Also Data did most of the legwork on defeating the Queen and he's actually insanely capable.
It was worse for Voldemort, he was actually beaten by Neville Longbottom who killed Nagini, effectively rendering him mortal.
Rocky has never beaten a key opponent by possessing superior skills:
1) Creed - his heart carried him through the victory
2) Clubber - his brains. He let Lang tire himself out
3) Drago - he out willed and pressured the in-ring bully (hence the phrase 'no pain')
4) Tommy - won in a street fighter
5) Mason - he lost to.
Come on Adam. You can do better than that!
The queen didn't want Picard as an equal in First Contact, she even says so "As you can see I have already found an equal. Data!" Plus Picard kicks ass
I will NEVER agree that Picard was a fool. He was the best of Enterprise captains, along with the "Voyager"'s captain, Kathryn Janeway.
To a point, Armageddon glances over the outer space portion since the asteroid apparently has "gravity" that seems like it's just as similar to Earth's gravity unless you're suddenly thrust into the air. But I would argue that drilling into something you don't know would be harder for someone who's only learned it for a few months compared to just riding along in a spacecraft and working on an asteroid with gravity. Bruce's lines saying that drilling is an art, that he's been doing it his whole life and still doesn't completely understand, and that he's the best because he works with the best are very good lines in the movie.
Luke never killed Vader...he sacrificed himself to save Luke.
You have to understand that in the final Harry Potter film, the elder wand was failing Voldemort and 7 8ths of old Voldey's soul were destroyed, massively weakening him....
Darth Vader lost cause he was feeling conflicted he didn't really want to kill Luke. If he did he would have done it super easily. Plus Vader caused Luke to give into his hate and Vader even said in the Star Wars return of the Jedi novel that Luke had lashed out in anger with unexpected power
Rowling actually perfectly explains why it was possible for Voldemort to kill Harry - all his horcruxes were gone and he was using the Elder Wand that technically wasn't even his and was Harry's at that point and Harry sacrificed himself eliminating the horcrux within him. It actually makes sense in that world regardless of the fact that Harry had about 1/100th the skill Voldemort did.
Oh and it's also mentioned that nobody can really use the unforgivable curses unless you really have that evil or rage inside of you and even if you do it takes a lot of practice to utilise it correctly, which is why someone like Harry wouldn't have been able to use it against Voldemort (not even Dumbledore used Avada kedavra, ever). Most of the "plot holes" people pick in the Potter movies aren't plot holes at all if you read the books.
Adam, it sounds like this list could perhaps be called #ShitVillainDefeatsForWankers
You've got Rocky all wrong. He was underachieving because he didn't train hard and partly because no trainers saw potential in him so he didn't get that mentorship he needed. And in Rocky three he finds out Mickey was protecting him from more dangerous fighters and padding his record. And he gets his ass whooped in the first fight against Clubber.
Anyone notice that the swelling they managed to make in Rocky was ten times better than the prosthetics used for creed
For No.8 you forget that combined stupidity can undo anything.
Freddy didn't lost, he keeps coming back.
What culture your videos are alway agreeable and funny thanks
Darth Vader was fighting at a disadvantage since he was trying to convert his son, not kill him, and Luke had been training since the end of ESB. Boba Fett on the other hand, he went down like a chump.
Luke isn't a fool, though. The whole point of Star Wars is that Luke trains over time and becomes better while also having a natural affinity for the Jedi arts. Yes, he nearly gets destroyed by Vader in IV and beaten by him in V, but given his lack of experience in both space and lightsaber combat, he did pretty well given his natural ability. He improves over time because he gets more experience.
By episode VI, he's completed his training with Master Yoda and is a proper Jedi. Many have pointed out already here that Vader also wasn't trying to kill Luke, but that doesn't illegitimate the fact that Luke was a very skilled hand with a lightsaber in his own right at this point.
to all of these I say:
David and Goliath.
@4:40, you just described the major plot point of _Terminator:Genesis_.
Luke vs Vader... come on guys who put that one on the list.
Awesome guys really awesome
Trine730 i agree
Actually they did send a terminator back to when Sarah Connor was a toddler, the real question is why don't they send a few back to the same time and place over time so there is an army of T-1000's??
Isn't that the point of every action movie though? The underdog hero who ends up defeating a mightier foe agaisnt the odds? If the audience started with the idea that it was easy for the hero to win, the movie would lose all tension.
Jimmy David yes ..but oonly if the hero is male... otherwise it's feministic propaganda and the hero is Mary sue
dude rocky learned how to box in the third movie try and keep up
Gilmartin Pares excactly he practiced
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Maybe Rocky beats Lang... But it's doubtful, and there's no way in hell he beats Creed. Rocky loses every round to Creed.