Do Vegetarians Really Have Higher Stroke Risk?
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- The first study in history on the incidence of stroke of vegetarians and vegans suggests they may be at higher risk.
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I called it 17 years ago. There’s an old video ( • 40 Year Vegan Dies of ... ) of me on TH-cam (you can tell it’s from 2003 by both my cutting-edge use of advanced white board technology, and the fact that I had hair :) where I air my concerns about stroke risk in vegetarians and vegans. The good news is that I think there’s an easy fix.
This is the third in a 12-video series on stroke risk. Here are links to the rest of the videos:
• What to Eat for Stroke Prevention (nutritionfacts....)
• What Not to Eat for Stroke Prevention (nutritionfacts....)
• Do Vegetarians Really Have Higher Stroke Risk? (nutritionfacts....)
• Vegetarians and Stroke Risk Factors-Vitamin D? (nutritionfacts....)
• Vegetarians and Stroke Risk Factors-Omega 3s? (nutritionfacts....)
• Vegetarians and Stroke Risk Factors-Vegan Junk Food? (nutritionfacts....)
• Vegetarians and Stroke Risk Factors-Saturated Fat? (nutritionfacts....)
• Vegetarians and Stroke Risk Factors-Animal Protein? (nutritionfacts....)
• Vegetarians and Stroke Risk Factors-Vitamin B12 & Homocysteine? (nutritionfacts....)
• How to Test for Functional Vitamin B12 Deficiency (nutritionfacts....)
• Should Vegetarians Take Creatine to Normalize Homocysteine? (nutritionfacts....)
• The Efficacy and Safety of Creatine for High Homocysteine (nutritionfacts....)
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I don’t want to wait!! Thanks so much, I love these videos. They’re bite-sized 😉perfect for my family. My mom and sister recently got on board with Plant Based eating. These videos are perfect for everyone but especially those new to this lifestyle Dr. Gregor has changed our family!!! I’m SO thankful!
Didn't that study also use vegans and vegetarians that were under the DRI for fiber, which is highly unusual?
$20.
@@daniellynch3724 is it? Lots of vegans are proud to eat junk
👍 Awesome. Thank you!
Thanks for dealing honestly with the facts. This just increases my trust in you guys. Will be very interesting to hear the rest.
"Vegetarian" and "vegan" are dramatically different in themselves, but they still only denote what's left out of their diet and nothing about what their diet actually consists of. I know plenty of ethical vegans who have more respect for other animals than they do for themselves, eating crap diets as bad or worse than the SAD. I'd love to see any studies done on people who eat an actual, healthy, whole food plant based (WFPB) diet compared with the SAD.
Very much agree.
You're right, but I would argue the research is still valid and important, especially because it takes those aspects into consideration by design. But yes, if vegetarians and vegans eat poorer diets because of the restrictions, this would of course show in the results. So really good point!
What can I say, so much information for free? Man! You're the best, keep it up, despite not the highest views number
Thank you for this knowledgeable information. It’s less expensive and more healthy for all of us. 👍😊
Five year vegan. Cholesterol 145, BP 112/60, regular exercise, non-smoker, BMI 23.4. Not worried about stroke. Epic-Oxford ain't gonna scare me into chowing down on a corpse.
Epic comment.
almost 8 years plantbased mostly whole foods (and in my case PB: no animal products) .... my Cholesterol is about 190/200 🙊 my BP is good though. My BMI is around 26/27 🙈 #stephylabor
Like the channel You should be open minded enough to consider evidence based research to make healthy supplementary adjustments to your diet. We should not degrade to Ideological warfare but stick to evidence based optimal proactive behaviour. B12 supplements or otherwise. Otherwise, great numbers keep it up.
Doesn't vegetarians eat a lot of cheese, eggs and dairy-products? Just bunching them together with the vegans seems unfair.
It's been a frustration in getting accurate vegan data for so many different studies
Because everyone thinks vegans and vegetarians are the same, except that vegans are just assholes who love animals more than people. So much stupid out there, i think that's why I'm gonna have a stroke.
@@alenfishman9365 Vegans are vegan for all sorts of different reasons. For many, it's because all of the best research shows whole food vegan eating is the healthiest. Do you ever read peer-reviewed research??
@@emilybh6255 We don't have evidence of that, it's an arbitrary statement.
@@ParadymShiftVegan EH, that might be a circle thing, because a lot of the vegans that i have met mostly ever state that they are more interested in minimizing animal suffering, AND it is also healthier. so the health part was just a secondary plus.
my main point was that people "THINK" vegans and vegetarians are the same, "EXCEPT" that vegans are just just assholes who think animal lives have more value than humans. which is why you might find studies where they lump vegans and vegetarians together. i had a friend try and say that i thought "id yank a gazel out of a cheetas mouth if i had the chance" which is just ridiculous because the cheeta is just doing the cheeta thing. and this was a person i spoke to on the subject a lot. most people who i have spoken to about veganism, mostly think they do it because they over value animal lives. and are shocked when they hear any health facts. that has been my experience.
Vegetarians and vegans in the same group. Ridiculous from the beginning.
thinking the same
How can you not love this man! He’s my #1 IDOL!!
Oh, you really believe the bullshit this er.. person comes out with. Are you a vegan by any remote chance?
Thanks for the great info as always! With all of the negative effects from cheese / dairy and eggs I wish they good have broken down into whole food plant-based only - Plus there are a lot of vegan oily junk food out there which could skew the results as well... over the century they’ll probably put together a good study with Whole Foods plant base then will see some amazing results.. but yeah take that B12 supplement to prevent the elevated homocysteine
It's accumulation of homocysteine from B12 deficiency. Just get your B12 supplement folks.
SPOILER ALEART!!! hahaha
Animal products save you from this. Why the so-called best diet of the world, veganism, provokes that ? When your life depends on a pill, it's quite tragic.
Definitely get your B12, but there are other nutrients that informed vegans make a point of getting. Iodine in proper doses (most people get it from dairy, to which iodine has been added), Vitamin D (if not getting adequate daily sun exposure), plenty of calcium from greens and sesame, nutritional need for Vitamin A has been increased, so eat those carrots and orange yams, and DHA/EPA. See link for details.
nutritionfacts.org/2011/09/12/dr-gregers-2011-optimum-nutrition-recommendations/
@@nicolasvasseur7325 Animal products will kill you in other ways. So a lack of a vitamin is not good reason.
@@nicolasvasseur7325 Except the majority of meat-eaters also don´t get enough B12, and the B12 levels naturally found in animals is not nearly enough for humans, which is why most meat comes from industries that feed B12 supplements to the animals. And even when you take that into consideration, most meat-eaters still don´t get enough B12, partially due to poor bioavailability.
Awesome information. B12 absolutely plays a role. Excellent as always!
This new format is much, much better! Thanks Gregger! Now your videos will be much more digestible for great masses.
I've got a few hunches about the poor performance of the vegetarian group:
- Elevated dairy and egg consumption (saturated fat and cholesterol)
- High consumption of refined fats, especially seed oils (poor omega-3 to omega-6 ratio)
- Homocystinuria (low levels of B12)
Not only that, up until recently there was trans fat in a lot of food thanks to the widespread use of partially hydrogenated oil. I'm sure a lot of the stuff not-so-health-conscious vegetarians and vegans munched on back in the day (french fries, potato chips, donuts, microwave popcorn, etc.) was full of partially hydrogenated oil and consequently trans fat. Trans fat is the worst. The FDA banned companies from putting artificial trans fat in food (a little exists naturally in animal products), but the last time I read the nutrition panel on a box of microwave popcorn there was still trans fat in there. Of course, if the levels of trans fat are low enough, a company can claim 0% trans fat despite the product containing a bit of it.
#2 Is one of the most overlooked things in veganism, IMO. PUFA, of all of the fasts, are most prone to rancidity/oxidation. I think vegans should focus on monounsaturated fat-containing foods even over PUFA ones. I think vegans overdo it on nuts and seeds in general, most of which are high in PUFA. While still true that whole food PUFA is far better than processed PUFA from nut/seed oils, PUFA is still PUFA and still is subject to oxidation more than any of the fats and while antioxidants in those high PUFA foods blunt many of the short-term effects of the PUFA, because there is always inflammation in the body to varying degrees, it is risky if one has high PUFA stores in their fat tissue, etc. Vegans probably would do best to limit PUFA alongside limiting high saturated fat intake. Macadamia nuts and olives are some of the low PUFA, higher monounsaturated fat foods which probably are better to use if vegans want to get some fat.
@@thehylander266 I used to be worried about PUFA intake myself, but it's not a concern if you simply avoid refined foods - that includes all refined fats, especially vegetable oils. The bottom line is that oils are bad, but nuts and seeds, within reason, are good. Vitamin E is another nutrient whose dose depends on how much PUFA you're getting, so if you eat a high PUFA diet from whole foods, tossing in a quarter cup of almonds or filberts is a great way to balance it out.
Also, my views have shifted a bit; I'm starting to see that the whole ω-6:ω-3 thing is overblown. The bottom line is that as long as you're getting enough ω-3, it doesn't matter how much ω-6 you're getting. Whole plant sources of ω-6 have been shown to be highly protective, because nuts and seeds tend to be great sources of other nutrients that complement their ω-6 content. Nuts aren't healthy _despite_ ω-6 content; they're healthy _and_ they have ω-6.
Oh you're a real expert aren't you. Are you a vegan?
How could you swallow the crap this guy comes out with and actually accept it all? Learn something about saturated fat first. HE KNOWS NOTHING ABOUT IT.
The answer; 19 out of 20 vegetarian and vegan restaurants serve mostly overprocessed, greasy, non-organic, (GMO laden) comfort food that is barely healthier than every other place.
Truly healthy food needs to be as fresh, local, organic, unprocessed and nutrient dense as possible to get the most beneficial results.
1000% true whole foods plants based is soo much better than ''vegan'' oreo are vegans just like fried potatoes chips
I saw a video on this same topic earlier this year. I thought it was at Nutrition Facts, but maybe it was somewhere else. (Mic the vegan, perhaps?) In any event, the video made the case that lumping vegetarians and vegans together into a single "vegetarian" category isn't really an appropriate thing to do, given that vegetarians eat foods (e.g. eggs and cheese) that likely increase their stroke risk relative to that of vegans. I think it's fair to hypothesize that vegans' stroke risk is not only lower than that of vegetarians, but also lower than that of meat eaters.
th-cam.com/video/Y6DxGspVYxY/w-d-xo.html ?:
@@ParadymShiftVegan Thank you! Someone talking sense. What has happened to Greger? Seems to me like he's been made an offer he can't refuse to start muddying the waters.
@@bengilkes7676.? All I did was take a stab at what video OP might have been thinking of.
You're gonna have to get more specific that that. What specifically do you feel Dr. Greger is misrepresenting or falsifying and what makes you believe that?
@@andreasmelkersson3592 This risk was only found for a certain type of uncommon stroke called hemorrhagic stroke.
For more common strokes, such as ischemic stroke, we have data from meta-analysis showing that meat eaters are indeed at an increased risk.
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26935118/
This remains consistent in other studies comparing meat eaters to non meat eaters with respect to stroke risk.
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/10479225/
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26853923/
Furthermore, according to the EPIC Oxford study, the vegetarians were consuming approximately 29% MORE cheese than the meat eaters, which is a significant risk due to increased consumption of both high sodium and saturated fat.
But even at that, more recent analysis combining the results of the EPIC Oxford study with the Oxford Vegetarian study have demonstrated vegans or vegetarians *did not* have a significantly higher risk of stroke when compared to the meat eaters.
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28267855/
However, all of this becomes dramatically less significant when you compare risk factors.
Atherosclerotic heart disease is the *#1 killer of all men and women worldwide* and *especially* here in these United States.
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/30496103?dopt=Abstract
www.cdc.gov/heartdisease/facts.htm
So, even if vegans or vegetarians _genuinely did_ have a higher risk of all strokes or the most common strokes (which is not the case), you have to weigh that against how much risk is reduced from heart disease, since that is obviously the most important concern for virtually anyone in a developed nation.
Vegans and vegetarians across the board have MUCH better heart disease outcomes very consistently.
We don't even have to look further than the EPIC Oxford study to see this.
@@andreasmelkersson3592 And this trend has continued. Again, we can see that meta-analyses like this most recent one, which included the EPIC data among other studies for about 200,000 subjects have found that plant eaters had an 8% lower stroke risk, which was not statistically significant, but not at all higher.
www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fnut.2019.00080/full
Thank you very much Dr. Greger! I really liked the explanation on overadjusting!
I guess what is leading to the higher risk is the consumption of dairy products... It would have been nice if they performed the study on vegans too!
That was the most interesting part imo too.
Vegans were included in the vegetarian group
It is probably not the dairy and eggs, because the meat eaters have much lower rates of stroke than vegetarians, and meat eaters usually eat plenty of dairy in the US and Europe. Also, i think most pescatarians avoid dairy, and they have better rates that veg*ns , too. But whatever it is, there are plenty of things we can do to to enhance health and longevity. I'm aiming to get more exercise, lose a few lbs, and cut down on salt, sugar and oil. While taking the recommended supplements.
@@mrmrmaples When separated, they had higher risk of stroke too (35 %).
@Vasco Amaral Grilo Meat-eaters consumed more dairy products yet they had lower risk of stroke. Your reasoning makes no sense.
being vegan or vegetarian does not automatically mean eating healthy.
When people decide to become vegetarians, they usually eat more cheese and eggs. I have no doubt this accounts for the findings. The study SHOULD HAVE but DID NOT separate out vegetarians and vegans. Because there is a world of difference between those diets.
Gee, I wonder if the next episode will be about how muchcheese and eggs vegetarians eat, and how vegans have the lowest chances.
I love your new intro, it is beautiful.
Cliff hanger ending! I think I already know the answer but this is a great video.
Vegetarians eat cheese, milk, eggs,.... Vegans should get a separate category!
There is a world of difference between vegans and vegetarians.
Vegetarians are far from whole food plant based...
and vegans eat oil which is just as bad if not worse than those foods.
@@GlennGJ100 Yess! It would be interesting to have a study with a "whole food plant based" category. Or a "daily dozen" category :P
Vegetarian is the original WFPB diet and I'l note that WFPB states Limit/Avoid Dairy and Eggs, whereas it also states AVOID refined foods. The popular Vegan diet is just SAD without Animal products. WFPB is not a diet of Modified Starch and Hydrogenated Palm Oils. One of, if not 'the' healthiest form of the Vegan diet is Ital and that diet is actually based on Hindi Vegetarianism having emerged on Sugar Plantations in Jamaica where indentured servants of Hindi Origin introduced their cuisine, relying on the abundant Coconut Kernel in place of Dairy.
Thanks a lot, Dr. Greger.
Appreciate you, as always.
Thank you for great information, I'm vegetarian I use Vit. B12 1000iu daily.
3X / wk is enuff..
You know, vegetarians have been around for thousands of years, vegans have been around for about sixty. B12 in artificial form has only been around as long as vegans. Don't believe everything this guy tells you. If your doctor tells you you're low on B12, fine, but most people who eat a good meal never need it.
I’m always learning something from this channel ☺️👍
I wish you'd learn from other places, this person tells lies or is totally ignorant. You've learned nothing if you think cholesterol comes from saturated fat. Or is dangerous.
The answer is B12. Just make sure to get enough.
@CosmicDamian Because B12 is made by bacteria, not found in whole foods :)
@CosmicDamian its full of shitty fat protein, choline and cholesterol tho buddy
@CosmicDamian Because their feed is enriched in B12.
@CosmicDamian There's the omega-3 found in fish which is quite rare in plants (except flaxseeds). I mean, the result of total abstinence depends on what we replace meat/fish with: we can design vegan diets that are very unhealthy or very healthy.
There's also the question of the baseline. If our baseline is the standard western diet, it's very easy to improve upon. What's optimal is a bit harder to figure out and varies between individuals (need blood tests and/or genetic tests to find out).
@CosmicDamian Yes, it is possible that some animal products contain some unknown nutrients not easily found in whole plant foods. BUT, it's extremely unlikely, and even if that were the case, we know that the beneficial effects of a whole food plant based diet far outweigh any potential beneficial effect of such unknown nutrients (if they exist at all).
This is in part because of observational studies made on populations that don't consume any animal products (or only negligible amounts) - such as the SDA people. They all do far far better healthwise and longevity-wise when compared to other animal product consumer population groups.
I did not understand, but thanks God this guy exists. For me is enough
Vegetarians could eat more cheese and eggs or it's the B12 problem that stiffens the arteries or makes them otherwise unhealthy if you don't supplement enough?
It's very nice to see this honest reporting, so we can be sure to have a source of information to trust.
I think he feels very responsible for his viewers health :-)
Only his videos are responsible that I started thinking about healthy eating 6 years ago and soon after also about the ethics of using living creatures in an industry.
Regarding "overadjustment bias", it looked to me as if the research was simply establishing that there is an indirect relationship between saturated fat and cardiovascular disease, where fat increases cholesterol which then increases disease, but fat doesn't increase disease directly. If you examine the correlation between fat and disease without controlling for cholesterol, you would find a positive correlation, but if that correlation goes away when you control for cholesterol, then that's just evidence on an indirect relationship between fat and disease. I'm not sure why that would be thought of as "overadjustment bias"...
That's not what the studies conclude, though. They pretend saturated fat isn't associated with heart disease.
This was such a good video!! I'm so so excited watching this. I can't wait for the next one. You get it!! I love nerding out about these things. You make it so easy to understand. Thanks for staying honest!
Congrats on Box 1 Doc. 👏👏
Excellent video Dr Gregor thank you.
Amazing work as always!
will the shenanigans ever end? stay tuned!
Never. Doctors and big food & pharma make too much money off us all.
It's why they can't teach ethics...would reduce profits.
It would be nice for them to split out vegans from vegetarians to see if the dairy/eggs are having any effect on the potential of stroke rates being higher. Almost seems like a waste when they do these studies and lump vegans/vegetarians in the same category. There's a difference there people!!
So basically, eating plants is safer when it comes to stroke risk, but not if you smoke...
Lol, being vegan and smoking weed, true love with the planet.
@@AnthonyVenmans nah smoking weed has nothing to do with love for the planet
Im so excited to watch the next video!! Thank you for the info, is very helpful
The new format with Dr G waving his hands in the videos and shrinking the text is super distracting. Idk if they can find a different way to cut it... For whatever reason I remember his year in summary videos being less distracting and still featuring there man himself too...
@@mikejensen4238 lol. My mom doesn't like his voice. I don't mind his animation, but something about the editing or framing or something it's just too much. I understand they want to add a personal touch but...
A Priceline gem
I'm so excited for the next video
My neighbor is 95. He has been a diehard vegan from the age of 27. He won't eat anything except some fruits, raw vegetables and nuts and seeds and that's that. Only warm water, no teas, no coffee. Yet he ended up with a pacemaker in his 80s. But just a few weeks ago he got the CV19 and faired magnificently.
Could it be low B12 in vegetarians causing high Homocysteine levels that can contribute to higher stroke risk?
omega ratios or B12? Suspense is killing me or lack of B12, I can't say for sure.
I think its gonna be b12
I noticed that little fib during Jon Venus' video with that "doctor". Overall serious risk to health was still much higher in meat eaters. Furthermore, lumping vegans and vegetarians in the same category is not appropriate. If you are a vegetarian that eats a bunch of cheese and eggs every day you could easily wind up consuming just as much saturated fat and cholesterol as a meat eater. For instance, as a vegetarian, I eat way too much cheese, about 2-3 lbs a week, sometimes more.
Always perfectly on the ball.
Believe that?
The suspense is killing me, but I'd rather that then heart disease or stroke any day! :)
Dr. Greger you are so handsome I can't focus on the research papers. Haha.
I prefer the older format but it's nice seeing your face too.
I'n putting money on problems with elastin and collagen in vegans/vegetarians. Makes the blood vessels either stiff or fragile and thus increases susceptibility to either ischaemic or haemorrhagic stroke.
Love it! Thank you for all you do!
If you believe that BS you're gullible.
If you want to go crazy about your life and being paranoid for your health listen to this guy.
this is the one.... ye this is guy i need to get health advice from
OMG Min 1:06-1:11 is golden
Thank you. You’re speaking so fast I can’t keep up...
u mean slow? 😆🤯 i ve listened on 1,5x speed
If you go to nutritionfacts.org, you can read transcripts of the videos.
You can lower the playback speed
1:05 - I actually laughed out loud at this... Get'em!
Note....Vegetarians....not vegans. I think we all know what it is
Dairy and eggs? Possibly a B12 deficiency? Vegans typically plan their diet better than vegetarians.
Not sure, but if I remember well, the vegetarians in the study had same or worse cholesterol levels than the meat eaters. To me that pointed to a shitty vegetarian diet with lots of eggs, oil and meat substitutes.
But I'm curious to hear the conclusion. Many people here mention B12 deficiency.
@@nicorohde7058 its the dairy and eggs. I stopped eating those before I was vegan. Horrible stuff. B12 in eggs, so won't be that.
@@Patrick-ep4sf eggs have b12. Its dairy and eggs. Terrible stuff. I dont want to generalise here, but I'm pretty sure vegetarians eat allot of cheese.
@@The14roscoe B12 in eggs is poorly bio-available and you would need to eat outrageous quantities to get your optimal B12 dose so that you would die from all the saturated fat and cholesterol in it.
Oh man. I don't think people realize how bad this bias issue is scholarly papers, especially, in the health industry. People who have taken one semester of statistical analysis or econometrics think they really understand how to do regression analysis by including "control" variables to "tease out" impact of other influencers on the dependent variable, but often times they are not independent of their main variable of interest. Experiments are gold, but not always feasible. There are other ways to do impact analysis, but that requires a bit more rigorous econometrics/statistical analysis knowledge than most people in the health field get.
Thank you sooo much for this!!!!!
Very interesting vid
Although I know that I’m now far healthier by striving to eat the daily dozen, and I plan to continue; it concerns me how Dr. Greger’s vegan bias often tries to downplay the great benefit of a vegetarian diet. Most of us will never be 100% vegan. Once he accepts that he might be more apt to give a committed vegetarian diet its proper respect and not always overlook it in favor of restrictive vegan eating.
What a cliffhanger!
Too much drama and suspense. Something this serious should be put to rest quickly. Dragging it only increases the perception that Vegan diets are unhealthy and dangerous. Framing the research conclusions in the form of cliffhangers is a big turnoff and smacks of game playing
You can't put vegetarian and vegans in the same group, dairy consumption plays a huge role in the study.
What program is he using to edit?
2:05 it's funny how he talked about most people eating a bad diet before and then accepted the results of the study comparing vegetarian and vegans with meat eaters. The study is adjusted to a lot of things, but not the quality of the diet. And then care so much for precision in studies but stick with the correlations when it comes to animal foods.
It's also not adjusted for the two types of stroke.
Realize there are two types of stroke: hemorrhagic (due to aneurysm or thinning artery wall), or ischemic (due to blood clots)?
Just because veg-based eaters have less CVD and ischemic stroke (less chance of blood clots, unless the veg diet is also thinning the stable covering of plaques) doesn't mean they aren't increasing their risk for hemorrhagic stroke (Less choline, cholesterol, and fats _may_ thin the artery walls.) And I highlight 'may' because I sure don't know.
Here they get away with not differentiating the two types of stroke. I find it convenient and Illuminating) that Doctor Greger doesn't break it out either.
great video
It's official: nerds, actually, do rule. Love this guy.
He's a nut.
Thank you for everything Dr. Greger, you changed my life!
Is it true that kids do not infect adults with Covid-19? Can my kids go back to school?
That should always be your decision as a parent. I don't think Dr. Greger can nor should take that from you.
As far as I have read through the topic, many things point to the fact that the infections along children are very low. Go here: swprs.org/a-swiss-doctor-on-covid-19/ and search for the word "children". They link the respective newspaper articles or studies.
Does that mean that it's absolutely impossible that children infect adults? Probably not.
@@Patrick-ep4sf Thank you Patrick!
It's not B12.
AHHH THE SUSPENSE
2:10 But, what _kind_ of stroke, hemorrhagic (due to aneurysm or thinning artery wall), or ischemic (due to blood clots)?
One would hypothesize the former since CVD declined (less chance of blood clots, unless the veg diet is also thinning the stable covering of plaques.) Less choline and fats would tend to thin the artery walls, no?
6:40 You say, "would be nice to know what the other reason is"? You're the DOCTOR, remember? _You_ should be the one leading the conversation about the two types of strokes.
Edit
! How can they get away with not differentiating the two types of strokes?! Isn't that like failing to differentiate between alcoholic and non-alcoholic fatty liver disease?
And, not that it's necessarily a bad thing, I'll remind everyone of alternative agendas:
Dr. Michael Greger is the Director of Public Health and Animal Agriculture with HSUS and a vegan nutrition specialist. His role at HSUS is to use the pretense of disease outbreaks to create public scares about animal farming.
humanewatch.org/person/michael_greger/
He likes to make a series of videos instead of just one video. Idk why, but the answer ended up being homocysteine
Be vegan 🌱🤝
The study just doesn´t make sense. First of all, vegans (and vegetarians even, which is surprising given that they probably eat lots of high-inflammatory foods, but maybe they found those who don´t eat lots of cheese etc.) have SIGNIFICANTLY fewer cases in all categories in the study compared to meat-eaters, so how do they come to the conclusion that meat-eaters have a lower risk of stroke? They´ve clearly separated meat from fish, even though I would count them under the same umbrella, so the statement is misleading according to their own labelling. Also, the fact that these people who eat fish have a lower risk of stroke and heart disease is clearly because of the omega 3, which you can get from seeds. There is nothing in fish you can´t get on a whole-food, plant-based diet. I mean, did they check the vegans and vegetarians for optimal levels of omega 3 and other kinds of nutrients? I could easily construct a study with the opposite result if I took a bunch of fast-food meat-eaters and vegans on a super healthy, OPTIMAL diet. Just being vegan doesn´t make you healthy. We have no idea what their diets consist of over time. There is no way of knowing whether these vegans were actually eating the right kinds of food. Conclusion: This study is sloppy as hell.
Does honey contain IGF-1?
high fructose like honey dont really trigger insulin tho...
One cliffhanger too many.
Dr Mike, say B-12 first!
Yeah, vegetarian diets lower cholesterol but is that what we want? Cholesterol has done us no harm ever, it's sugar that's been doing us harm and cholesterol had been getting the blame for it. Check it out. Statins are given to us for high cholesterol and they make us very sick indeed. We need our cholesterol. All of it.
0:56 Indirect self-reference 😅.
I LOVE BOX NUMBER 1 😂😂😂😂
this video was confusing.
couldn't it be the increased consumption of milk products? vegetarians tend to replace meat with cheese.
Many vegan and vegetarian foods are high in added sodium. Look at Amy's, Barbara's, Tofurky, etc. Salt is a major cause period.
Vegetarians still eat lots of animal based products and junk, and even vegans these days eat so much not too healthy foods I wouldn't be surprised if this is undermining their health advantage to some extent... I would like to see a Whole Foods Plant Based diet group in future studies (no animals and little to no junk vegan food). I am under the impression that vegetarians would have a lot more risk of everything, and meat eaters would be off the charts! ... maybe I'm bias 🙂
The level of corruption when it comes to human health is absurd
Can anyone tell me the bottom line, without me having to sit through several of these videos? Do vegans get more strokes and, if so, how can they avoid them? Is it just a case of taking B12?
I really wish people wouldn't swallow the rubbish this ... comes out with. It's all lies. I think his religion makes him come out with all with all this rot. The vegan diet is downright dangerous.
Is salt the culprit? Or perhaps it’s a combination of salt and oil that increases strokes?
I don't think he even know the meaning of the term "SATURATED FAT" There's saturated fat in everything, all oils and fats in different amounts but it's there none the less. Olive oil has saturated fat and coconut oil has saturated fat, in fact.... It's loaded with it but there's no cholesterol in it. So where is he coming from?
how many doctors are clueless
HE certainly is utterly clueless or a plain liar.
As someone who has had a stroke and is transitioning to vegan, this video was completely useless to me. I need hard definite facts
Salt?
Nothing wrong with salt. Sugar is the dangerous stuff.
welllllllllllll ya know!
Save you from having to watch his annoying monologue in a manner he probably thinks is cool: when comparing non-smoking meat eaters to non-smoking vegetarians, the study found a slightly higher risk of stroke in vegetarians. But since the study didn’t come to the conclusion he wanted, he’s going to throw shade with no evidence to back himself up. And he’s going to annoy the hell out of you in the process...
That's exactly right. I was shocked by his convoluted reasoning for changing the results. What the study clearly shows is that vegetarians have a higher risk of stroke than meat eaters. The real question is what is the risk for vegans compared to vegetarians. The study suggests but does not prove there is something unhealthy in a vegetarian diet.
It's dismaying to see how easily his faulty reasoning is accepted here in the comments section. Perhaps it's blind faith or innumeracy,
@@chimera2116, agreed. The study lumped vegans and vegetarians, as though there aren't huge differences between the two. You can eat keto as a vegetarian, but not as a vegan. It's not just "don't eat animals."
B12 baby !
Cliffhanger ending . . . .
My money is on omega-3s.
its b12 ! vegan have higher level of omega 3 than meat eaters
@@LOVEisTHEultimateLAW Its ALA though, without sufficient levels of Medium Chain and Long Chain Fatty Acids two main components of the Brain's make-up this could add to heightened incidence of Stroke.
cliff hanger
What is your view on pasture-raised animals? Because don't you I think the reason why red meat is bad. is because of the stuff they do to the poor animal and to the processed foods they give them? If we treat our livestock with respect, give them a natural diet, and let them do what nature indeeded. like a cow, eating the pasture, pooping in the grass and soaking up the sunshine. We would have meat that is healthy to eat. They done a study on killing a fish a certain way, rather than letting it die from suffocation. and the study showed that, the quality of fish was way better compared to the one that suffocated. so that just shows you, treating animals is the key to having good meat to eat
It doesn't matter what the animal eats, the heme iron, the estrogen, the cholesterol, the saturated fat, etc. is the exact same, and on and on and on. When you eat fresh plant foods, they are alive. When you eat dead animal flesh it is dead. Do you want a rocket surgery hand book to calculate the outcome? Consuming death equals? Consume life equals?
@@ethicalrevolution3294 What a nonsense
@@alexandervonhumboldt1123 Yes a little nonsense, but mostly fact dressed up in nonsense for fun. Plants are living. They have life inside. If you put a lettuce in a bowl of water roots will grow and new leaves will grow. Try reanimating the pork chop. All you will get is decay. potentially parasites, and deadly bacteria, that as things are going are becoming superbugs that are becoming more and more resistant to the standard antibiotics and antibacterial agents. The meat you consume could have been dead for weeks. But even that picked vegetable, fruit, or seed, is still alive and will grow if you give it the correct conditions. It really isn't rocket surgery now, is it?
@@ethicalrevolution3294 No it isn't rocket surgery, it's esoteric
@@ethicalrevolution3294 We humans are omnivores lol. if we weren't, we wouldn't be able to eat stuff like sushi 👀. Scientists have said they think When our ancestors started to eat meat, it change the course of our evolution and made us what we are today. we made tools like the bow and arrow and stone knifes. Because of these tools and fire. we were able to become the Apex predator of the world. What about the ice age? you think people ate a bunch of veggies during that time?? 🤣. Life-and-death is the circle of life. There's a reason why someone can live on a Carnivore diet with no supplements needed, rather then a strict vegan diet which needs supplements.
I couldn't follow this at all.
This is ridiculous, we all know that a vegetarian diet is not healthy. Why is Dr. Greger intent on tainting vegans with the vegetarian brush eh? He even said it himself DON'T EAT EGG YOLKS! Why is it so hard to understand? Why is he acting so puzzled? Why is he saying things like 'reduce' meat intake? Is it just me or has this man has gone a bit weird and ambiguous?
bullshit!!!!
he leaves us hanging on this! wtf Dr Greger? W-T-F?