Did BMW Nail It? R 12 nineT First Ride Review + Ol’ Man Makes A Fashionable Appearance!
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Today I got to experience the BMW R12 Nine T for the first time. It's a really impressive blend of new technology and traditional style and feel. I go into detail on how the bike rides and feels, the handling, engine, performance, ride quality and more...
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I have a triumph speed twin 1200. Was really wondering whether the BMW would be better to drive. But definitely the English gentleman look of the triumph got my heart pumping harder…. Regarding &SONS wow… nice clothes! Last but not least: the father is ripped!
C'mon Moto Guzzi, re-issue the Griso with the new engine...the Germans need a run for the money.
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Great comment! Oh heck yeah, a new Griso would be right on the money, would buy one in an instant.
That would be awesome ❤❤ Pete
definitely!
A v100 griso damn instant buy. The height is killing me on v100 and stelvio (tho stelvio is better as bars is more lean back and seat narrower). But a classic naked sporty enough like speed twin 1200, nine t or (position wise) xsr900/monster 937…. Damn i would take it.
I have seen thousand of motorcycles and hundred thousands of cars and trucks. I have seen a hand full of problems with analog speedometers,, but the digital dashes have been going on a decade or so and have seen hundreds of issues. I like the idea of , simple is good as the info has not changed. Speed, tach, fuel. Some idiot lights. Why make eye fatigue with a digital dash. I could talk about this all day long, but don't get me started on key fobs!
Pleased to hear the old man will be back soon. Starting to think Darcy had buried you in the Welch countryside. 🙂
LOL.
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Father and son team best reviewers in the business in my opinion ! Im a tall guy and i love that they emphasize ergonomics alot in their reviews .
Thank you so much 😊
Loved the comments about the state of our roads. Some do look like they have been bombed and it really is a shock when you come home from abroad and see what we have to contend with. Good quick review Darcy, thank you.
Looking forward to your next review,fabulous quality bike that rides a dream and looks awesome worth every penny.
Nice little teaser video. Looking forward to your BMW reviews from Spain. In particular, your impression of the new R12 cruiser model as well.
i dont know what it is about bikes with a transverse motor, this and all the guzzi bikes, i love them and seem like they are the bikes that seem to grab my attention the most and all seem to have great character. Ive not owned a bmw but it has a unique sound and based on review a lot of great character as well.
Oh this looks so much better than the previous model, dream bike material!
I've got the R nineT when it first came out and loved it. Brilliant bike i witch i still had it
A lovely bike spring round the corner look forward to more reviews
You found a bike spring round the corner? Well that's very dangerous...who would leave a bike spring in the middle of the road?
Great bike, always enjoy your reviews, cheers guys 👍😀🏍
Many thanks 😊
The base price if far too high but with typical BMW pricing, with the add ons people want, the resulting price beggars belief. Its a good bike, yes but at that price it bloody well should be.
Aa usually an awesome presentation of this bike.
Job well done, Darcy 👍
Thank you 😊
@@MrDarcy-OlMan as always very welcome, mate 🤝
Reading and hearing about all the issues with BMW’s m1000rr has me second guessing all their models reliability. But I do love this bike.
Super bike, defo my next one!
That’s a very nice bike indeed!, will you test the touring versions as well (RT)?
Great and encouraging reviews as usual!
We’ll be working our way through them all 👍🏼
9:07 See : You are all set for
Portugal, riding on the RHS 😂
Comically overpriced when including the pretty much mandatory "Comfort Pack" resulting in a real world base price of £15,400. Adding a few basic options soon takes it up to nearly £16,800 and that's without any of the "Option 719" options or navigation extras! Within the BMW range the somewhat similar R1250R is far more reasonably priced even if it doesn't have the same poser value.
That's why you get a moto guzzi instead. You get that vintage look and air cooled engine for half the price 👌
All that money on updates and still no fuel gauge!!
@@iancraig6070It's the kind of bike targeted at those who'll be far more concerned over whether their soy latte is ethically sourced. Trifling details like knowing how much fuel is remaining are of little concern!
Bloody bargain looking at them from a Harley perspective 😂
@@goldilocks913I'd personally rather spend the ~£20K on a Low Rider S than spend £17K on a R 12 nineT but each to their own of course.
I think it’s a beauty. Would love to ride one.
Wow those roads are very bumpy! Enjoyed this review of a modern retro and the clothes look great on both of you 👍🏼
It’s the “F” word . . . frost.
Hi guys, It brings me always a big and very happy smile in my faces if I ride this beautiful new bike. 😊 It needs weeks to get it out of my face 😂😊 But the rides never get out of my happiness ❤ Greeting from West Germany 😊
My son and I have transitioned from Harley n Indian..I ride the Bmw R18 Transcontinental n he has the K1600b..both great rides...of course his is the fast one!!😅.. Great reviews as usual..glad ur channel is growing..well deserved 👍
Thank you 😊
This might be my favorite of the classic looking bikes.
i prefer this over the old R9T, they sorted that rear end, now has a nice mudguard. tempted to trade my speed twin in for one, mainly cos you can get cruise control on this and the shaft drive would be handy as i like to ride all year round when it isn't raining. you can also get a quick shifter which is a nice to have as well, only thing it still doesn't have is a proper fuel gauge! not that the one on the Triumph is much good anyway but still.....
Good to see the old man dack 👍😎
Nice looking bike German bmw quality with a bit of style
BMW quality? That was 30 years ago as we all know.
Beautiful bike, Germany. It still feels like you make retros for the Anglosphere.
I've got a R1250R try one of these if you get a chance mate you would love it.
I rode the previous gen r nine urban and it was exactly what I expected it to be it was faultless but lacked character a bit b like a comfy old pair of slippers
I concur with the state of the roads. This is where one of the various Scrambler style bikes on the market with 21" front wheel and longer travel suspension scores over more road focused machinery. Flat twin Beemers have never been my thing but each to his own. I've just purchased a Triumph Scrambler 1200 and it sounds much nicer even with the standard exhausts on. It also has a digital TFT/LCD dash but they seem to be the "go to tech" for instrumentation nowadays. What is it with stylists who think gold forks go with everything!!😂😂
I grabbed a '23 XC and got the best looking and most reasonable scrambler on the market. The gold would be fine if they had the gold accents on a few more parts, but they don't so the XC black forks make it the best.
@@logangodofcandy I bought the X as it looked and felt much closer to my old Street Scrambler which I really liked. All it needed was the grunt of the 1200 motor.
Subbed and love your content. I hope you and the ole man both get a 100k plaque when you smash it. Rubber down and knees to the breeze lads
Many thanks and welcome to the channel 👍🏼
The styling on this is not dissimilar to my 1995 R1100R which was a great handling motorcycle. Although pricey, they make fantastic motorcycles.
Sympathize with the road conditions there one of my favorites nearby that follows along a beautiful river has turned into a continuous pothole along its entire length and the center if your unlucky enough to hit it is just a horrid mess. They corrugated it to warn drivers when they’re near it but hear in New England that’s a death sentence to the surface. Fills in with ice then gets ripped up with the plows might as well be dirt
If I had the silver for a bike, I’d buy this one hands down, loved it since it first came out, like it even more in this new iteration, nice choice of clothing by the way😉. Does the coming to Spain still stand? Haven’t heard anything else on the subject from you in a while. Cheers!
We will talk about that in forth coming videos 👍🏼
Big fan of & Sons. Top quality and a joy to wear.
Yes we love their gear 👍🏼👍🏼
Fantastic looking bike, like those boxers all are! Looking forward to the full review!
Often hear about putting after market exhausts on new bikes but i'm not so sure it is that straightforward with E5 bikes? Guzzi V7 only has Mistral in the UK and are very expensive... any others would need re-mapping etc.
I really want this!
Am I missed your comment about quickshifter/autoblipper? I think that's the key thing between R12 ninet and R9T or Speed Twin.
I will cover that in my full review, but I wouldn’t put a quickshifter high on my list of must haves tbh, they remove some of the engagement with the riding experience; one step nearer to automatic.
First you would change the exhaust? Really? Definitely not! I love the original exhaust of my new R12 nineT 😀
I like things a little louder
Great looking bike. I have 1250rs so yes they are fast and comfortable.
Dear Darcy I liked your review and your Dad's cameo appearance of telling the Rains in UK.The BMW R12 twin looking very beautiful but the Size of the Engine looks Heavy.What do you think 🤔
Glad you enjoyed it! It didn’t feel heavy tbh
A week after this was recorded a longer test was scheduled in Portugal. Did it occur and is there a review based on that longer ride?
th-cam.com/video/w6AWGgUdQvY/w-d-xo.htmlsi=WaF8QPZZolV6oRtE 👍🏼
It's a very good looker (moreso than the Speed Twin, IMO) - but not at that price. Might wait for the secondhand market.
Really like that bike, simple and stylish. Needs a lighter weight 650cc version in bmw range.
It's impossible to make that engine look nice in a naked bike. I had an R1150 and found it had no character, not one for me.
The rise of German retro segment against the British foursome who have succeessfully revived the retro segment around the world, Indian company tvs have even made a puny bike looking like this- ronin
Do you think it worth premium over z900 RS?
Also was there fuel gauge option on screen?
Personally yes I do, it feels much better quality
Can’t believe they haven’t put a fuel gauge on it ?!? At that price , lovely bike but no fuel gauge is a pain. I had a R Nine T pure and loved it , but didn’t love guessing fuel and clocking mileage on refills then forgetting 😖
Think it’s good time to buy one of the older model R nine T’s
Did you see my recent review of the older model?
It is a nice bike, but as an owner of an RnineT I prefer my older model, they seem to have removed some of the “classic” appeal of the original, cast wheels look odd on it for a start, digital dash looks like it should be on a 125. Sorry, change for changes sake.
That speedometer/tachometer thing is a total turnoff and would prevent me from ever buying the bike.
Looking forward to more from you and your father! Thank you!
SS
Mr. Darcy no coin flipping required. We all know you would go for analog. 😅I think the screen is for riders coming off other BMW’s and got used to them. Only weird thing here is that the swing arm is on the right hand side and the exhaust on the side stand? My real interest would be the R12. Would love to hear what the real differences are between the R12nineT and the R12.
What is that jacket you have on? I like it
This is the jacket - bikeweardirect.co.uk/products/motorcycle-leather-jacket-touring-motorbike-cafe-biker-with-genuine-ce-armour
Would like to trade my Speed Twin 1200 for this, but I looked at the price, ouch.
hey mr Darcy, I would like to buy R12 NinT and I am about 6.1 feet, what do you think will work for me, greetings Steven from Belgium
I am the same height as you, so if you think I look ok on it then it should be ok for you 👍🏼
Is there a single bike that you don’t like?😂 If you like this, do yourself a favor and try an R1250RT. In my 50+ years of riding and owning over 60 bikes the best bike I have ever ridden is my RT. It rides and handles better than anything else BMW makes. 135 horsepower! The shift cam motor is better at low rpm and high rpm. It doesn’t look retro but don’t let that put you off.
This new bike looks better than the predecessor. They got rid of that ugly-ass lump on the right side of the gas tank.
I would like to try it but it would most likely not be a bike I would like. We have mostly been choosing to review bikes that we enjoy riding. But I do want to try a few bikes that aren’t my type
Vert nice looking bike but it’s getting too expensive and having the 1250 with shiftcam around makes the engine feel somehow less interesting. You should try the 1250R or RS, cheers ✌️
The slow mo fashion model poses made me laugh. Sorry. But you guys got to make a quid I suppose. Nice bike. Cheers.
I think the Stolen Triumph colours 😂 that think must me black to make IT BadAss
Amazing bike, Im 193cm and its really comfortable. Most of these style of bikes are too small for me, not this one.
If you're coming to Portugal, come and join us at Portimao for the MotoGP! The local crew would like to shake your hand, say hello, and share a beer 🍻. If not, we'll see you on the N2...
I’d love to! Unfortunately I’m only there for 1 night, it’s going to be a real whistle stop tour!
Next time, hit us up and we'll take you around the real insider roads on the Algarve mountains and hills for a few days...how do we leave our email address for you?
this or a Z900 rs? you don't seem to mention it.
Definitely this, the Z900rs is quite plasticky. This is much more character and feels better quality
It's a bike divided in two parts. Everything rear of the stearing head is great, looks, engine, shaft drive, neighbour-friendly sound. But the front end is awful with those golden fork legs, that doesn't match anything else, and the tiny mudguard. Fix the front end, and you have a very nice bike, BMW.
Ken and Darcy fashion
That is a nice Bike sadly I am too tall
how big are you then?? regards
GOD FORBID, THEY PUT A FUEL-GAUGE ON IT.
im interested in the jacket
Bikewear Direct it is the cafe racer jacket.Also there is a similar jacket on our sponsors website Xlmoto 👍🏼👍🏼
Please please 🙏 BMW makes a GS version with this motor….not a GS Urban…a proper GS to compete with the Stelvio. It would tempt many who are holding on to their TCs.
It will never happen but I can dream.😢
This bike give me strange feelings, they mix classic and modern and I dont know why, but is great
Is it bigger than rnine t ? Im 6,3 tall and rninte t is to small
The bike is slightly bigger but the riding position is not 👍🏼
This one or Z900RS SE?
This for sure personally, feels better quality and more character
😢 Kawa sounds far better than bmw… And nineT is small like a child bike. But it looks nice too! 😊
I prefer the sound of the bmw 😁
If the original NineT didn’t exist, this would be a great model release from BMW, but the original NineT does exist and most would compare it to that.
In my opinion the bike lost its soul and character compared to its predecessor. The previous generation NineT was adored by people from all corners of the bike world (triumph rider myself), and the bike really seemed a step away from the “soulless” bikes BMW has in its lineup for years now. The new NineT just feels like a r1250r with a different jacket on.
I can say the same from the streets here in Germany. Our politicians are ruining everything...
Beside this I always enjoy the reactions from you and your father 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
You Germans should pay more taxes 😂
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Its a great bike but specced up to my preference, its hitting 16 grand. Ouch.
How tall are you? I'm over 6ft and that bike looks like it wouldnt fit me...
I am 6ft 1 👍🏼 Doing the full review in Portugal shortly so don't miss that 👍🏼
who is that old guy at the end?
There may be a clue in the name of our channel
If you don’t like this, the good news is that the old model will only get cheaper.
Looks like they have copied triumph
How coule they? I mean nine t is here for now more than 10years. And they both get market. But triumph speed twin was introduced in response to this bike. Since bonneville were too comfy, thruxton too sporty and triumph was missing some market shares.
Not with that Boxer engine, it looks horrible.
@@splodge5714 matter of taste. Parralel twin or yama 900 looks ideous to me. Some might like them. To you its uggly.
Triumphs look way better. Not that many Bmw’s around
@@Fr99763 well with classic kit it look better on bmw but the price tag is dealbreaker. Speed twin or bennville t120 are about 13000€ here in france, bmw is 21000€ minimum!!!! Ffs bmw smoked something.
Indian ftr is 15000€ in carbon trim.
Moto guzzi v7 racer is 9999€
Kawasaki z900rs ans xsr 900 are 13800€
My ducati monster was 12000€ new and bought it used 9500.
Nine t used (a lot with around 40k km or more) cost still a wooping 15k€
No way its worth that amount of money after riding all the bike mentionned.
Sorry, but the old rninet looks much better!
It's very plain compared to the last RnineT. If you ignore the drivetrain, it could be from any manufacturer.
Your taste in motorcycles is broadening. I have always wanted an RNineT Urban G/S, but they are way too expensive in Thailand. I never change exhausts. It's pointless. The backroads in Portugal are dreadful. I live there for part of the year. That clothing is nice. Just checked the website. Nick
Subtle? they messed everything good with it.
Lovely looking bike. Sadly the engine looks ugly and like a pair of knackers hanging out... I spent my money elsewhere, but a different engine configuration might have swung it..
Too bleedin’ expensive!
i HATE this TFT craze .... round counter team !!!
Price aside, would you rather have this or the Kawasaki Z900RS?
I’d definitely have this
@@MrDarcy-OlMan looking forward to your thoughts on the R12 vs the R12 NineT
Very nice, but that TFT is utterly horrible. What is it doing here?
You're spot on re our appalling roads in the UK. Clearly, safety is no concern whatsoever, and all the reduced speed limits and cameras are about revenue generation or putting people off travelling.
What's not to like about BMW's engineering prowess and refinement? Top of the pack without doubt.
You guys are great! Nice seeing dad pop in with his update and fashion segment 😉!
You really suffer there in the UK with weather as I am learning. I lived in Germany for a straight 18 years and so understand well. I moved to Miami mainly for the weather--people terrible, so a trade-pff.
Well for this bike i only dislike, well not dislike but miss, the sound. The boxer sound so flat. Kinda wish it has the signature r18 sound wich is dope. The pototopototopototo. Here it is so linear it sound like a i4. Or on some straight pipes it sound like a tmax 😅 dont know why or how. Some exhaust tho make it sound better.
no they did not!
NO ... bmw didn't listen to their biggest complaint about the old one
.... NO FUEL GAUGE ....
I rather buy Z900RS lots of power and character and best part thousands less.I think BMW has moved in Harley mistake of over pricing their bike and losing customers
It's better looking than previous nineT models, which were kinda ugly.
Beautiful bike but that exhaust is horrid. Euro regulations just ruin everything. That whole thing belongs in the bin it’s a travesty of engineering along with the stunted ridiculous emissions standards. Desk jockeys shouldn’t make decisions those belong in the same bin
That is so ugly it hurts my eyes😂
I could live with its looks.
The brand and its planned redundancy policies, though...
BMW quatlity control is rubbish, every BMW i see has paint peeling of the engine and other places.
Too much complicated electronics to go wrong after a few years of use. Overpriced
so to sum it up, after 10 years of waiting for the new nine t you get:
- smaller tank
- power comes 500 rpm later
-1 nM less
-lot more plastic and worse looking design
-epic fail