had an almost identical experience with a maiden myself, I got three flights and then the next flight the plane went down after taking off. Initially I thought it was a signal drop out but then after recovering the plane all the components worked correctly. It was only after I discovered the ESC would work find under moderate power loads but if pushed harder it would shut down and this is what I assume happened and power to the receiver was cut off. I now run a separate lipo for the receiver and control surfaces. The main battery only power the motor.
It's very possible that's what happened here. Although this plane was using a seperate BEC, it was still powered via the battery and no separate battery was used for the receiver. This is something I may need to look into for some of these larger planes. Either that or invest in better BECs and ESCs.
On that last flight...If you damaged the nose gear on that hump, when you retracted it could have binded drawing power from the weak freewing BEC's causing signal loss. The exact same thing happened to an F-16 of mine. You must use capacitors on your receivers to help mitigate this.
Hi Bud, I had the same thing happen to my Zeus on maiden landing...was super disappointed...after a crash review, I found Flap servo failed. Causing the spin. Was too low and not enough speed to recover. I'm super disappointed with Freewing on this one. Flap servos should be better rating on a fast jet like this. Bought the FMS 18th anniversary addition to replace this jet and am super happy with the Avanti. Happy landings.
It's very possible a flap servo failed on mine as well. I can't remember if we tested those after the crash or not, so there's a chance that could've been it. Sorry for your loss as well. I'm also waiting on the FMS Avanti 90mm and I got the Thrust Vectoring option as well. Should be good fun. 😁
Why would I film a range check? Also, I had 4 flights prior to crash without a hint of signal loss or any other issues whatsoever, so please tell me what you would do differently had this been your plane? I wasn't using a gyro, so no gains to check.
All of my EDF's have Spektrum AS3X/SAFE receivers and they're set up to failsafe into SAFE mode. My dual rate switch also controls the receiver flight modes which gives me low and high rates with AS3X and high rates with SAFE mode. If I happen to lose orientation, I can quickly switch to SAFE mode. I can't tell what kind of receiver you used. Of course, if they lose power, nothing will help. On some of my EDF's, I power the retracts with the BEC that's in the ESC and install a separate Castle BEC for the receiver and servos. The blue/white Zeus can be hard to see. I wish mine was a different color.
I didn't have any gyro in this plane, but I was using an 8ch receiver I had used previously in my F-22 without issue. This wasn't a loss of orientation, that I know for sure. Maybe some sort of temporary signal or power loss, but not orientation.
Ouch man that’s a tough one to take , painful to watch after you had those successful flights- well maybe a new fuselage and some bits will be good as new
With the gear damaged, one of the wings not really airworthy and a bunch of other bits bent, broken or missing, it's cheaper and easier to just buy a new one. Maybe I'll consider an ARF to save some money, but a repair was never on the cards for this one.
I had the same thing happen Flying level and sudden Nose dive into the ground? well like yours it had twin elevator servo's so if one had failed or ran away to full up or down the model would have rolled or acted differently On my Jet I was using my Old eagle 3 Flight recorder and what it showed was as the model was flying the the voltage from the BEC dropped suddenly? from 5.1 volts suddenly down to 3.1 volts at that point to Impact it remained , After the crash which also destroyed the Aircraft i tested all electrical parts the ESC was now putting out 5.3 volts there was one servo that failed ? and when tested with receiver and other servos it again when down to 3 volts and control was lost. Since then I now use an extra 10 amp ubec which i tested with the receiver ESC and servo including bad one this time voltage remained ok and bad servo smoked and totally died. during the test the voltage remained at 4.9 volts until when servo died then when back to normal. I have been flying all my model that way and no more Problems .
Sorry for your loss mate. Tough losing a great flier. We've all been there. Very slick flying EDF though. Wonder if the BEC had a failure? I'm seeing a lot of Spektrum (very modern) controlled RC's going in after brownouts/holds. I run a very old DX-7 and Taranis X9D plus for my EDF's and have been lucky.
I lost 3 planes on my X9D a few years back and got rid of it very quickly. Although I blame signal loss for this crash, the reality is I don't really know for sure. The receiver in this plane was previously in my F-22 90mm and I had no issues with it, and I've since used it in another plane also without issue, so it may not have been a radio issue at all. The theory about a BEC failure is also a likely scenario. Some folks on FB did comment at the time that something similar happened to them due to the BEC crapping out, so it's very possible it was the BEC. The problem is that everything worked when we tested it back in the pits so we couldn't prove that theory. But that's not to say that the BEC didn't shut down for a second and reboot the ESC during flight. We'll just never know.... 🤷
@@aussiercairspace I'm hearing you Vas. That's the worst part of this hobby. Sometimes you can never find out the real cause. I run satellite receivers in all my aircraft and external BEC's or separate battery packs as you never know the built it BEC's can have a brain fart. Hope it doesn't happen again. Do love the X9D
That was a hard one to watch, been there as have many others. It's a horrible feeling when you can't get it back before it hits. I fly using Spektrum and don't really buy into the signal loss theory but I do think it's a lot more likely a flap/aileron servo has failed. I almost got one of these and at the last minute ended up buying a Freewing 8s Phantom, still might get a Zeus. Get another one and change the servos, man that that flies nice.
Thanks. After all the chatter about this plane since the upload, I'm seriously considering one of the new orange ones. I might get one either later this year or early next. 😁
Looked like it rolled to the right, orientation was lost in the glare from the sun, and at the point of inverted flight, and trying to 'pull out', it ploughed into the ground.
It is obvious why the connector is defective when you open it up. It is not soldered together correctly. They are supposed to insert the wires into the cups but they solder the cups together directly with not enough solder, and solder a small 12 ga wire perpendicular to the cups across, again with very little solder. Built to fail.
Das sieht nach meiner Erfahrung nicht nach Signalverlust aus, denn dann müsste das Flugzeug genau so weiterfliegen, wie du es zuletzt gesteuert hast, das ist die originale FailSafe Einstellung bei jedem Flugzeug und Empfänger. Es sieht viel eher danach aus, dass ein Servo oder ein Anlenkungsgestänge defekt oder gerissen war. das kann man nach einem Absturz nur sehr schwer erkennen und auch nicht zu 100% ausschliessen, vor allem das letztere. Die Servos kannst du ja mal nachprüfen. Waren alle Gestänge der Anleitungen nach dem Absturz noch korrekt? oder beschädigt? Die Anleitung der Landeklappen oder Höhenruder verursachen solche Spins, nicht ein Singnalverlust!
I'm on my third Zeus. Wore the first one out and crashed the second due to loss of orientation. Third one is going great. Haven't had any hardware problems or loss of signal. Great airplane for the advanced pilot. Fast and agile.
Did you dissect the stupid blue Benchcraft EC5 2 to 1 Series Connector MotionRC shamefully sells? I had one melt during a 90mm 8S flight and almost destroyed my plane but luckily I was using a separate radio battery and BEC and flying in FPV so I had control and a coordination advantage from the FPV to dead stick land it.
That vertical was awesome. That sux losing a plane like that and it has happened to me too. My thinking is maybe it was a stall, this plane is a jet and it needs speed, your combination of speed and elevator was just beyond the plane's limit. Otherwise it was a signal loss, who knows a connection. The plane took a few hammerings on your earlier landings and it may have dislodged a connection somewhere. Test your servos to make sure they are all still working. If a servo is bad that could be your answer. Look on the bright side, now you can buy the orange one (I'd get 6S personally).
The stall theory did get discussed on the day, but the plane was level and I was at about half throttle when it rolled over on its own, so I really don't think that was it. If it had happened midway through the turn, I would be inclined to believe it, but not when I levelled out and was flying straight. It also was not lost of orientation as I've experienced that before and I know that wasn't it. It's a bit of a mystery as to what actually caused this crash and honestly, I've put it behind me now. I have 2 new planes inbound in the next week or so and I'm very excited to share those on the channel when they arrive. 😎
No, if you pay close attention, Spektrum is not to blame for this. You can read through the comments to see why as I've explained it about 3 times now. Nothing wrong with Spektrum, mate.
Buy a Freewing or FMS model, rip all the servos out and install good quality ones. They use junk servos and that is a fact! That was a total loss of control caused by loss of signal or a servo deciding to do something on its own. Nice flyer it was. Good luck on your next plane.
this is what a servo glitch crash looks like... full deflection of servos and spiral to the ground. one of the mundane things that can cause servo glitching is an 'excess' of vibration in the airframe. however, i don't hear any abnormal noise/vibration during any of the flights.
I’m so sorry for your crash 😞 … just wanted to share some experience abt the issue of fast sinking when approaching to land .. it should be the CG, most of cases the CG recommended in the manual is on nose heavy side … that makes the jet very hard to flare at low speed hence it sinks fast and comes hot to land. Hope it helps in next one ✌️
Sad to see. But probably with a lot of glue it could have been put together again. I had a stall and similar damages on an 70mm Avanti and couldn’t throw her away so I put her together and had some fun afterwards:) I could even sell the plane 😆
The thought of repair did enter my mind, but there was just too much damage and by the time I ordered a new fuse, landing gear, maybe new wings (the crashed ones had structural damage) and a few other bits, I just didn't see it being worth it. So I scrapped it and will probably revisit this plane another time. 😎
Did you all see The RC Geek crash his newly built large scale plane recently? Man, it does suck and happens to the best of us. Hell, he even had 2 satellite receivers as well!! Still lost signal!
Yes, I saw that and I really felt for him. THAT was signal loss, 100% due to radio or receiver failure. This was signal loss, but not due to the TX or RX, it was a complete shutdown of control, which leads me to believe it was something else inside the plane that caused it. Several people (including myself) have speculated that it was the BEC and I'm inclined to believe it. It can't be proven for sure, but it does make sense. The difference between RC Geek's scenario and mine is that he had signal come on & off until he eventually lost it. Mine was like something just simply cut the link between plane and pilot. There were no warning signs prior or anything that hinted there was a signal issue. This is also backed up by the Rx that was in this plane (AR8020T) was used in my F-22 90mm prior to this without issue and has since been installed in my F-18 90mm since this crash and I've not had a single problem. So yeah, both mine and RC Geek's crash were due to signal loss, but the causes for said signal loss are totally different.
And just to clarify I was way above stall speed as I had checked that high up. Servo could not hold pressure at a bit of speed. So I know the disappointed when a good flyer goes in and is destroyed due to small problem. Happy landings
Hatd to inspect a plane omce it crash! But signal lost, Excessive gyro, main reason when a plane is trimmed out & fails after. Rarely see stripped linkages.
I had the same thing happen on mt freewing F18. Three or four flights in and then the exact same thing where I presume signal was lost and that was a total write off. Gutted as didn’t make any mistakes myself!!!
Unfortunately I have seen a few lost models lately, and your crash looks identical to Chris on his maiden ( Spectrum ? ) . Sorry for your loss Bud was looking very good . Awesome power in the vertical. Did you like it enough for a round two ? . A bitter pill to swallow. Thanks for showing us what happened, kudos.
There's a good chance I'll revisit this plane down the line, but right now I'm waiting for the FW F-16 90mm V2 and FMS AVANTI 90mm to turn up, so it's gonna have to wait a bit. 😁
Just google " where to buy Freewing Zeus 8S" and you'll get your answer. Here in Australia, we have some hobby shops that sell them, so that's where I got mine from.
Condolences. Need an NTSB investigation! That could have been a high speed stall if you pulled too hard on the elevator. It looks like you loose control but it's a stall. My buddy brought his down hard when the canopy was half off and the motor fell out of the bottom. He got a new fuselage from Motion but the stickers were way off and did not lined up. I hope to maiden mine soon. I'm sticking with 6s.
Absolutely signal loss there. That is why I fly with a SEQURE ELRS 2.4GHz Diversity Receiver ExpressLRS Drone RX Module with Dual 80mm Antenna High Refresh Rate Long Range Lower Latency Receiver for FPV Racing Drones Fixed-Wing UAV. This receiver will go 20 miles before it goes into failsafe on my Jumper T15 radio set at 1 watt power. I use a Speedybee F405-wing flight controller.
First off, I am so sorry. I’m sure you’re over it by now. I was a distributor for horizon and I’ve lost two expensive models using spektrum and frsky. The most reliable and proven radio in my experience is the flysky aphds 2 protocol. Diversity and supports up to 10 channels at just $60 including 6ch rx. I will never trust another brand. This is my experience. Others may have a different opinion which I will respect.
And for that very reason I switched to a Tandem band radio system.... total cost is around $900aussie$$ and you get 2.4Ghz & 900Mhz.......sorry for your loss.... it looked awesome in the air on the good flight.
FlySky? Haha, that's a big fat nope. I lost a few planes in my early years using their flagship at the time i10 radio and swore never to touch them again. Both FlySky and FrSky are the bottom of my list for radio choices. Appreciate the suggestion, but it's a hard pass from me.
@@aussiercairspace Clearly you are behind the times. Ethos software suite is the easiest to use. Having 2.4 and 900 MHz just like Jeti means no loss control link. I use Tandems on all my expensive planes. Been flying since 1976 and you have no idea the gear we had back then. But ironically no link failures.
Flying into sun and losing orientation will do it every time...looks like you crashed on a different day...no cloud cover...best to set up safe and save flight mode for it...if you get blinded by flying into sun just flip safe on could save your plane next time...I always try to plan my flights with the Sun at my back. But sometimes it's unavoidable...Also check your radio for any Holds which would mean you lost radio communications to your receiver...also set up Fail Safe Mode...if loss of signal plane will continue to fly wings level reduced power...doing that saved my V1200 on maiden...I did not do range check and had a bad receiver...HH sent me another receiver free of charge....I've been flying using Spektrum for over four years and only had one bad receiver in that time...I have over 30 planes that I fly, and all Spektrum receivers...
I usually only fly at my club in the mornings as the sun comes up behind us, but I have flown here several times in the afternoon when the weather is good and when I'm itching to fly, as was the case that day. I know what loss of orientation looks like and this wasn't it. I've lost orientation on a few occasions with different planes. I actually lost a plane last December due to this - an E-flite Cirrus SR-22 1.5m (didn't get it on camera, unfortunately). I was inverted and when I rolled over I somehow lost my bearings or just had a brain fade and just forgot which way was up/down. I don't even know how I put it into the ground, but I know it was 100% my fault. A couple of years ago I was flying my FW F-22 during an overcast day and the plane vanished into the sky for a second, I lost orientation and didn't know which way it was pointing. Thankfully I recovered that immediately as my heart sunk into my pants. LoL Those are 2 occasions I can remember where orientation was lost, so I know exactly what it feels and looks like, but this Zeus was not lost due to lack of orientation, it was something else. And whatever it was we will probably never know for sure.
I hate unexplained crashes! Hand launched a 64mm Rafale from FMS the other day and no controls working except throttle. Nearly hit my fellow club members under the canopy. Embarrassing.
Sorry for loss. Was flying great. To me it seemed you lost good view flying into the sun, plane rolled and u didn’t realize it got inverted. My buddy has the Zeus and it’s fast.
Would love to agree with you and for a while after the crash I really questioned my reality, but no, it wasn't loss of orientation. I know what that feels like as I've had that happen before, but it wasn't the case this time. There have been some theories floating around about a potential BEC failure that would've caused the plane to reboot as some folks on FB lost their Zeus the exact same way, which supports this theory, but who really knows for sure... 🤷
I started flying anything about 4 months ago on the 70mm F-35. I did my research before entering this hobby, and I settled on ELRS. I use opensource because I've seen a repeating pattern. Signal loss with Spektrum. I understand they have the best gyro in the industry. But with ELRS you have guaranteed minimum 4-5 miles range on 250mw power. I think it might be time to start looking at ELRS and using another type of gyro. Sorry bro, but that's my honest opinion. I'm too poor to even be in this hobby. I buy everything used except the Radio. If I crash, I'm out of the game bro. I can't afford to crash, so I can't afford to fly Spektrum, pun intended.
If you can't afford to crash, you're in the wrong hobby. You WILL crash - everyone does. It doesn't matter what brand of radio you buy or how good you think it is, it doesn't matter if you buy new or used planes, foam or balsa, build or buy them, things fail from time to time, it's just how it is. I've gone months without an incident, but sometimes a gremlin gets in and ruins your day. On this day it was my Zeus 8S. A lot have said that it was loss of orientation, but I know what that feels like and it wasn't it. What it felt like was signal loss and my stick inputs had no effect on the plane. But I'm also doubtful of that as I've had signal loss before with 3 different radio brands (including my NX10) and this felt a little different. Previously, when I lose signal, the radio hunts for the signal and you have intermittent connection. You'll lose it and then get it back. Lose it and get it back. This was just a complete shutdown and I had nothing. Which also points the finger at a possible faulty BEC (which comes with the plane) as others have reported similar failures which also resulted in crashes. Yeah, in the video I say "I lost signal", but that doesn't mean it was Spektrum's fault. I don't know for sure and neither does anyone else, so for you or anyone to bad-mouth the brand because of a reputation they had about 10-15 years ago is just ignorant and invalid. What conclusive and undeniable proof do you have to say the protocol in my radio was the cause? I don't even have that proof and I was there. LoL. Plus, the receiver used in the Zeus was taken from my FW F-22 90mm which had flown flawlessly for months and since this crash I've also used the same receiver in another plane and not had any issues. Yes, I lost signal, but it doesn't mean it was the radio's fault. Yeah, ELRS sounds great, but I absolutely hate the open source software, it infuriates me to no end and the support you get from the radio brands that use it is next to none. Plus, I have over 70 aircraft in my hangar and to change them all to ELRS would cost a small fortune. LoL. Thanks for sharing your story and good luck with the F-35 if that's your first (or one of your first) planes. I have the F-35 and although I can fly it just fine, it's not the easiest plane to fly, especially for someone so fresh to the hobby. Happy flying. 😎
@@aussiercairspace I'm currently talking with Freewing about my experience as a beginner flying the F-35. I found the wing too small for comfortable flight. I’ll admit, I only know what I’ve learned so far-I have three planes, all on ELRS. I spent three days figuring out the radio until I mastered it. Once you get a system dialed in, it’s tough to switch, which is why I really did my research before committing. I’m talking about recent research, not years-old info. I spoke with guys at my local hobby shop-most of them run dual receivers on their expensive jets using Spektrum. Others, who had issues, switched to Futaba. I saw the potential of ELRS early on, and it’s already saved me once. I accidentally flew on 10mW power, and even then, I only experienced a minor glitch in the air. I’m really sorry about your plane though, nothing I say can fix that, but I just wanted to share my perspective. One final thing-when I got into this hobby, I was very aware of the cost of failure. I’ve done everything possible to eliminate risk. I use AI-assisted preflight checks, including load testing all servos before each flight. So far, I haven’t had a single crash because I caught two servos starting to fail while still on the ground. It’s like the carpenter’s triangle-I’m missing the "money" corner, so I compensate with thorough preflight routines and thoughtful procedures to force failures to happen before takeoff.
That would've been a good idea had any of us thought of it before I turned the radio off. LoL. Unfortunately, there was one guy that suggested that after I picked up was left of my plane, but I had already switched it off by then and all flight data was gone.
@@aussiercairspace turning Tx on/off has nothing to do with Datalog, your transmitter should save you flight log. My Jeti saves log automatically or I san stop recording manually, either way it’s all logged.
I don't think my transmitter has that feature. I have seen people access flight log on the radio, but I believe as soon as you turn it off, that log resets. Which is why I had nothing on my radio afterwards. Either that or I just never turned on that feature or know how accessed it properly.
That looks like orientation loss to me. It rolled right but you thought it was left… your input made it worse then instinctively pulled back. Hard to tell in the video, but … I wish I could say that has never happened to me…
Would love to agree with you and for a while after the crash I really questioned my reality, but no, it wasn't loss of orientation. I know what that feels like as I've had that happen before, but it wasn't the case this time. There have been some theories floating around about a potential BEC failure that would've caused the plane to reboot as some folks on FB lost their Zeus the exact same way, which supports this theory, but who really knows for sure... 🤷
This is why I no longer use mode one. I found it too easy to accidentally mix ailerons with throttle inputs. Not saying this was the case. But I did crashed almost identically this way. Sorry for your loss mate.
Thanks. What mode you fly should have no influence on how often you crash or how you crash. I fly mode 2 and I crash about once or twice a year. Sometimes it's due to the unexplained (like in this video), sometimes it's just my dumb thumbs doing dumb things. LoL. I've actually crashed 2 other planes since this one, but they were due to a bad hand launch. It happens sometimes. 🤷
@@aussiercairspace try mode 1 and get back to me on that one. I know what you mean. I was merely pointing out a similar issue that occurred when I was flying one time. Prompting me to change the settings.
@@aussiercairspace No, Spektrum ruins the hobby with their junk. I lost two planes because of their trash and many a friend has had crashes using Spektrum. There are fatal flaws in their system they refuse to admit and accept.
I'm sorry for your loss. 😱 You became another victim of the dark side of our hobby. 😱🙁 I saw a few comments about your Spektrum radio, and I agree with you. There's nothing wrong with Spektrum. I think your plane's ESC failed. Freewing has recently started using cheap ESCs that are failing. Check out my new Freewing F16 90mm V2 with a faulty ESC from the factory...🤦🏾♂️ th-cam.com/users/shortsjVOu4OokFIA?si=vPLc9jKFc_dAXwY5 MotionRC knows about the issue but hasn't done anything yet. I'm still waiting for them to tell me if they will send me another ESC or a replacement jet. It's too bad that your plane crashed before you could spot the issue. Have a great rest of your day 👍🏾 Greetings from Douglas, Arizona 👍🏾🌵🌵🇵🇷 Like#92
Thank you much. 🙂 I too have the F-16 V2 inbound, as well as the new FMS Avanti 90mm with Thrust Vectoring. I also bought a new ESC for the F-16 in case the stock one goes bad.
@aussiercairspace th-cam.com/users/shortsjVOu4OokFIA?si=vPLc9jKFc_dAXwY5 That's mine...ESC came defective from factory and MotionRC hasn't say what are they finally going to do to solve my issue. I first contacted them a week ago. If I were you, I would caacel the order right away, before is too late.
@aussiercairspace Yes, the jet is beautiful, and yes, there are many people flying this without issues. SmokeymountainRC, for example, replaced his ESC and has been flying it without issues ever since. You are free to do as you feel. Good luck with yours when it arrives. Keep us updated on how it goes. Have a great day 😁 Greetings from Douglas, Arizona 🌵🌵👍🏾🇵🇷
Honestly, comments like this make me roll my eyes all the way to back of my head. 🙄 Just shut up about Spektrum, there's nothing wrong with the radio or the brand. And it's not like no other brand has NEVER had a signal issue, ever. So please go touch grass or something and shut up with these comments. Absolute nonsense. Also, Spektrum is already expensive as it is, so I'm not going to Jeti that costs twice as much here and you need a degree to use. A few guys at the club have those radios and they're a nightmare to program, they're big, heavy and receivers are equally big and cost a fortune. Hard pass. And FrSky? Really? I lost 3 planes with FrSky a few years back when I had the Taranis X9D and swore never to touch that brand again. FrSky are an absolute joke for reliability, product support and UI. Not going anywhere near that brand ever again.
I started with Spektrum and have been using the pilot control for many, many years, there have never been any problems, then once I had a receiver from Motionrc and my plane crashed.
Honestly, It doesn't matter. I'm using a jumper t lite radio with FLYSKY, simple but effective receivers. Sometimes stuff fails. I guess I am lucky (or am I?) I haven't had any issue with the setup I am using although I will upgrade in the future but will probably stick to open/edge TX and most likely will still be using the FLYSKY receivers in cheaper planes. One Thing I am always looking out for is antenna/receiver placement. That's the only thing Ive watched out for and respected. Many things can fail. Interference is also a possible factor. So many things can go wrong. The most important thing is to be sure you have done your job. The rest is luck. A good alternative can be the new ELRS receivers or newer protocols in the future.
Reputable brand FrSky??😂😂😂😂😂😂that’s a toy mate, reputable brands are Futaba, JR, Spektrum or Graupner..but FrSky??😂😂😂😂I Fly rc planes 30 years ago and i know what i say, i don’t think the crash reason was the Spektrum tx
had an almost identical experience with a maiden myself, I got three flights and then the next flight the plane went down after taking off. Initially I thought it was a signal drop out but then after recovering the plane all the components worked correctly. It was only after I discovered the ESC would work find under moderate power loads but if pushed harder it would shut down and this is what I assume happened and power to the receiver was cut off. I now run a separate lipo for the receiver and control surfaces. The main battery only power the motor.
It's very possible that's what happened here. Although this plane was using a seperate BEC, it was still powered via the battery and no separate battery was used for the receiver. This is something I may need to look into for some of these larger planes. Either that or invest in better BECs and ESCs.
Spektrum are great receivers and transmitters. You may want to add a remote satellite receiver in the future for redundancy.
On that last flight...If you damaged the nose gear on that hump, when you retracted it could have binded drawing power from the weak freewing BEC's causing signal loss. The exact same thing happened to an F-16 of mine. You must use capacitors on your receivers to help mitigate this.
Hi Bud, I had the same thing happen to my Zeus on maiden landing...was super disappointed...after a crash review, I found Flap servo failed. Causing the spin. Was too low and not enough speed to recover. I'm super disappointed with Freewing on this one. Flap servos should be better rating on a fast jet like this. Bought the FMS 18th anniversary addition to replace this jet and am super happy with the Avanti.
Happy landings.
It's very possible a flap servo failed on mine as well. I can't remember if we tested those after the crash or not, so there's a chance that could've been it. Sorry for your loss as well.
I'm also waiting on the FMS Avanti 90mm and I got the Thrust Vectoring option as well. Should be good fun. 😁
I didn't see you do even 1 range check before each flight !
And did you check your "gains" ??
Why would I film a range check? Also, I had 4 flights prior to crash without a hint of signal loss or any other issues whatsoever, so please tell me what you would do differently had this been your plane?
I wasn't using a gyro, so no gains to check.
The y plug on the batteries could be the problem. I had a plug melt on the ground luckily just as I started takeoff. I’m sorry for your loss.
All of my EDF's have Spektrum AS3X/SAFE receivers and they're set up to failsafe into SAFE mode. My dual rate switch also controls the receiver flight modes which gives me low and high rates with AS3X and high rates with SAFE mode. If I happen to lose orientation, I can quickly switch to SAFE mode. I can't tell what kind of receiver you used. Of course, if they lose power, nothing will help. On some of my EDF's, I power the retracts with the BEC that's in the ESC and install a separate Castle BEC for the receiver and servos. The blue/white Zeus can be hard to see. I wish mine was a different color.
I didn't have any gyro in this plane, but I was using an 8ch receiver I had used previously in my F-22 without issue. This wasn't a loss of orientation, that I know for sure. Maybe some sort of temporary signal or power loss, but not orientation.
@@aussiercairspaceWhat kind of receiver was it?
It was an AR8020T
Ouch man that’s a tough one to take , painful to watch after you had those successful flights- well maybe a new fuselage and some bits will be good as new
With the gear damaged, one of the wings not really airworthy and a bunch of other bits bent, broken or missing, it's cheaper and easier to just buy a new one. Maybe I'll consider an ARF to save some money, but a repair was never on the cards for this one.
Painful mate, sorry for your loss. Hope the hot glue angel was able to piece it together.
I had the same thing happen Flying level and sudden Nose dive into the ground? well
like yours it had twin elevator servo's so if one had failed or ran away to full up or
down the model would have rolled or acted differently On my Jet I was using my
Old eagle 3 Flight recorder and what it showed was as the model was flying the
the voltage from the BEC dropped suddenly? from 5.1 volts suddenly down to
3.1 volts at that point to Impact it remained , After the crash which also destroyed
the Aircraft i tested all electrical parts the ESC was now putting out 5.3 volts
there was one servo that failed ? and when tested with receiver and other servos it
again when down to 3 volts and control was lost. Since then I now use an extra
10 amp ubec which i tested with the receiver ESC and servo including bad one
this time voltage remained ok and bad servo smoked and totally died.
during the test the voltage remained at 4.9 volts until when servo died then when back to
normal. I have been flying all my model that way and no more Problems .
Sorry for your loss mate. Tough losing a great flier. We've all been there. Very slick flying EDF though. Wonder if the BEC had a failure?
I'm seeing a lot of Spektrum (very modern) controlled RC's going in after brownouts/holds. I run a very old DX-7 and Taranis X9D plus for my EDF's and have been lucky.
I lost 3 planes on my X9D a few years back and got rid of it very quickly. Although I blame signal loss for this crash, the reality is I don't really know for sure. The receiver in this plane was previously in my F-22 90mm and I had no issues with it, and I've since used it in another plane also without issue, so it may not have been a radio issue at all.
The theory about a BEC failure is also a likely scenario. Some folks on FB did comment at the time that something similar happened to them due to the BEC crapping out, so it's very possible it was the BEC. The problem is that everything worked when we tested it back in the pits so we couldn't prove that theory. But that's not to say that the BEC didn't shut down for a second and reboot the ESC during flight. We'll just never know.... 🤷
@@aussiercairspace I'm hearing you Vas. That's the worst part of this hobby. Sometimes you can never find out the real cause. I run satellite receivers in all my aircraft and external BEC's or separate battery packs as you never know the built it BEC's can have a brain fart.
Hope it doesn't happen again. Do love the X9D
That was a hard one to watch, been there as have many others. It's a horrible feeling when you can't get it back before it hits. I fly using Spektrum and don't really buy into the signal loss theory but I do think it's a lot more likely a flap/aileron servo has failed. I almost got one of these and at the last minute ended up buying a Freewing 8s Phantom, still might get a Zeus. Get another one and change the servos, man that that flies nice.
Thanks. After all the chatter about this plane since the upload, I'm seriously considering one of the new orange ones. I might get one either later this year or early next. 😁
Now that I analyze the situation!!! Did you ever program your fail safe ?? Definitely could have saved you
Safe cant help you when you have signal loss.
Fail safe locks the controls into a pre programmed position. Throttle idle, half elevator, slight aileron or no aileron, whatever you program.
Looked like it rolled to the right, orientation was lost in the glare from the sun, and at the point of inverted flight, and trying to 'pull out', it ploughed into the ground.
"Looks like" yes, it does, but that's not what happened. I lost all control of the plane. 😔
What radio were you using or what frequency does your radio use?
The radio is not the problem.
@@aussiercairspace Maybe not the equipment, but I wouldn't rule out interference within the frequency.
I had the same problem 3th flight.
Mine issue was the 8s serie connector from motionrc.. it became to hot and solder came loose 😢😢
Oh man, sorry to hear. 😢
This also happened to me. MotionRC needs to stop selling that. Class action lawsuit material.
It is obvious why the connector is defective when you open it up. It is not soldered together correctly. They are supposed to insert the wires into the cups but they solder the cups together directly with not enough solder, and solder a small 12 ga wire perpendicular to the cups across, again with very little solder. Built to fail.
Yes @polyscient it was a very poor connector 😢
Das sieht nach meiner Erfahrung nicht nach Signalverlust aus, denn dann müsste das Flugzeug genau so weiterfliegen, wie du es zuletzt gesteuert hast, das ist die originale FailSafe Einstellung bei jedem Flugzeug und Empfänger. Es sieht viel eher danach aus, dass ein Servo oder ein Anlenkungsgestänge defekt oder gerissen war. das kann man nach einem Absturz nur sehr schwer erkennen und auch nicht zu 100% ausschliessen, vor allem das letztere. Die Servos kannst du ja mal nachprüfen. Waren alle Gestänge der Anleitungen nach dem Absturz noch korrekt? oder beschädigt? Die Anleitung der Landeklappen oder Höhenruder verursachen solche Spins, nicht ein Singnalverlust!
I think you might be correct. Great explanation, thank you. 😎👍
I'm on my third Zeus. Wore the first one out and crashed the second due to loss of orientation. Third one is going great. Haven't had any hardware problems or loss of signal. Great airplane for the advanced pilot. Fast and agile.
I'm considering another in the new year, but we'll see what releases come out between now and then. 😎
Did you dissect the stupid blue Benchcraft EC5 2 to 1 Series Connector MotionRC shamefully sells? I had one melt during a 90mm 8S flight and almost destroyed my plane but luckily I was using a separate radio battery and BEC and flying in FPV so I had control and a coordination advantage from the FPV to dead stick land it.
I wasn't using EC5 connectors, I used my own XT150 connectors.
That vertical was awesome. That sux losing a plane like that and it has happened to me too. My thinking is maybe it was a stall, this plane is a jet and it needs speed, your combination of speed and elevator was just beyond the plane's limit. Otherwise it was a signal loss, who knows a connection. The plane took a few hammerings on your earlier landings and it may have dislodged a connection somewhere. Test your servos to make sure they are all still working. If a servo is bad that could be your answer. Look on the bright side, now you can buy the orange one (I'd get 6S personally).
The stall theory did get discussed on the day, but the plane was level and I was at about half throttle when it rolled over on its own, so I really don't think that was it. If it had happened midway through the turn, I would be inclined to believe it, but not when I levelled out and was flying straight.
It also was not lost of orientation as I've experienced that before and I know that wasn't it. It's a bit of a mystery as to what actually caused this crash and honestly, I've put it behind me now. I have 2 new planes inbound in the next week or so and I'm very excited to share those on the channel when they arrive. 😎
Spektrum. Once again shows its true value.
No, if you pay close attention, Spektrum is not to blame for this. You can read through the comments to see why as I've explained it about 3 times now. Nothing wrong with Spektrum, mate.
Buy a Freewing or FMS model, rip all the servos out and install good quality ones. They use junk servos and that is a fact! That was a total loss of control caused by loss of signal or a servo deciding to do something on its own. Nice flyer it was. Good luck on your next plane.
It's never pilot error. It's the economy, stupid!
this is what a servo glitch crash looks like... full deflection of servos and spiral to the ground. one of the mundane things that can cause servo glitching is an 'excess' of vibration in the airframe. however, i don't hear any abnormal noise/vibration during any of the flights.
😂 Great you take this that way! I should for sure cry like a child....
May Zeus rest in peace !
You did better than my mates zeus, his burst into flames 2 minutes into the maiden flight & burnt to a crisp!
😧 oh wow, that sucks. Sorry to hear.
Darn that is hard to watch, sorry about the loss. Zoom zoom bang. Jeff in LA USA
I knew step one before you even put it in the video you got something nice and you show it off and you're definitely going to break it
😆 Murphy's Law, I guess. 😆
@@aussiercairspace yep! 🤣
I’m so sorry for your crash 😞 … just wanted to share some experience abt the issue of fast sinking when approaching to land .. it should be the CG, most of cases the CG recommended in the manual is on nose heavy side … that makes the jet very hard to flare at low speed hence it sinks fast and comes hot to land. Hope it helps in next one ✌️
Thank you. 🙂
Dude that was painful to watch. Still can't believe we never got to the bottom of this
Sad to see. But probably with a lot of glue it could have been put together again. I had a stall and similar damages on an 70mm Avanti and couldn’t throw her away so I put her together and had some fun afterwards:) I could even sell the plane 😆
The thought of repair did enter my mind, but there was just too much damage and by the time I ordered a new fuse, landing gear, maybe new wings (the crashed ones had structural damage) and a few other bits, I just didn't see it being worth it. So I scrapped it and will probably revisit this plane another time. 😎
is that zeus better and faster (8S) than the vulcan?
Looks to me that one of the ailerons came lose, hens the sudden roll, it will feel like a signal los
Did you all see The RC Geek crash his newly built large scale plane recently? Man, it does suck and happens to the best of us. Hell, he even had 2 satellite receivers as well!! Still lost signal!
Yes, I saw that and I really felt for him. THAT was signal loss, 100% due to radio or receiver failure. This was signal loss, but not due to the TX or RX, it was a complete shutdown of control, which leads me to believe it was something else inside the plane that caused it. Several people (including myself) have speculated that it was the BEC and I'm inclined to believe it. It can't be proven for sure, but it does make sense. The difference between RC Geek's scenario and mine is that he had signal come on & off until he eventually lost it. Mine was like something just simply cut the link between plane and pilot. There were no warning signs prior or anything that hinted there was a signal issue. This is also backed up by the Rx that was in this plane (AR8020T) was used in my F-22 90mm prior to this without issue and has since been installed in my F-18 90mm since this crash and I've not had a single problem.
So yeah, both mine and RC Geek's crash were due to signal loss, but the causes for said signal loss are totally different.
And just to clarify I was way above stall speed as I had checked that high up. Servo could not hold pressure at a bit of speed.
So I know the disappointed when a good flyer goes in and is destroyed due to small problem.
Happy landings
Hatd to inspect a plane omce it crash! But signal lost, Excessive gyro, main reason when a plane is trimmed out & fails after. Rarely see stripped linkages.
I had the same thing happen on mt freewing F18. Three or four flights in and then the exact same thing where I presume signal was lost and that was a total write off. Gutted as didn’t make any mistakes myself!!!
Yeah, definitely know the pain. Sorry to hear about your F-18. I have one myself and love it. 😎
I noticed you were using a Spektrum radio.
Good observation. 👍
Feel your pain was there a flight log ?
Unfortunately I have seen a few lost models lately, and your crash looks identical to Chris on his maiden ( Spectrum ? ) . Sorry for your loss Bud was looking very good . Awesome power in the vertical. Did you like it enough for a round two ? . A bitter pill to swallow. Thanks for showing us what happened, kudos.
There's a good chance I'll revisit this plane down the line, but right now I'm waiting for the FW F-16 90mm V2 and FMS AVANTI 90mm to turn up, so it's gonna have to wait a bit. 😁
@@aussiercairspace Awesome 🤩, looking forward to that ! 🤜🤛
Where did u get this plane and how much is it?
Just google " where to buy Freewing Zeus 8S" and you'll get your answer. Here in Australia, we have some hobby shops that sell them, so that's where I got mine from.
@@aussiercairspace but in the hobby shop is crazy expensive!
There's always deals to be had with sales. I've gotten some pretty good deals off eBay when there's a sale on.
@@aussiercairspace is 90 f22 better than zeus? i want to upgrade to some bigger one, but im not sure which one is better, can u give me some advice ?
Condolences. Need an NTSB investigation! That could have been a high speed stall if you pulled too hard on the elevator. It looks like you loose control but it's a stall.
My buddy brought his down hard when the canopy was half off and the motor fell out of the bottom. He got a new fuselage from Motion but the stickers were way off and did not lined up. I hope to maiden mine soon. I'm sticking with 6s.
It looked like that snapped from knife edge to inverted in one frame. That was weird
Where in Oz is that field
Melbourne. It's at GMAC in Yarrambat.
Absolutely signal loss there. That is why I fly with a SEQURE ELRS 2.4GHz Diversity Receiver ExpressLRS Drone RX Module with Dual 80mm Antenna High Refresh Rate Long Range Lower Latency Receiver for FPV Racing Drones Fixed-Wing UAV. This receiver will go 20 miles before it goes into failsafe on my Jumper T15 radio set at 1 watt power. I use a Speedybee F405-wing flight controller.
First off, I am so sorry. I’m sure you’re over it by now. I was a distributor for horizon and I’ve lost two expensive models using spektrum and frsky. The most reliable and proven radio in my experience is the flysky aphds 2 protocol. Diversity and supports up to 10 channels at just $60 including 6ch rx. I will never trust another brand. This is my experience. Others may have a different opinion which I will respect.
And for that very reason I switched to a Tandem band radio system.... total cost is around $900aussie$$ and you get 2.4Ghz & 900Mhz.......sorry for your loss.... it looked awesome in the air on the good flight.
FlySky? Haha, that's a big fat nope. I lost a few planes in my early years using their flagship at the time i10 radio and swore never to touch them again. Both FlySky and FrSky are the bottom of my list for radio choices. Appreciate the suggestion, but it's a hard pass from me.
@@aussiercairspace it Frsky bro. nowadays people switch to Frsky tandem already including XXXL turbine jets. Find yourself the video
@@aussiercairspace Clearly you are behind the times. Ethos software suite is the easiest to use. Having 2.4 and 900 MHz just like Jeti means no loss control link. I use Tandems on all my expensive planes. Been flying since 1976 and you have no idea the gear we had back then. But ironically no link failures.
Sorry to see that. I see you have an NX10🤔
Cheers. Yes, I use an NX10. And...?
Exactly 👍
Tough loss!! What the heck is a drat??
A drat is a spelling error. I spotted 2 after uploading. Bonus points if you can find the second one. 😆
@@aussiercairspace More than 2 spelling errors in this vid. 2:23 drat 6:23 speacial 8:57 slavanged
Well, that's what happens when you edit late at night, I guess. First prize goes to you for finding them all. 🥇😆
Flying into sun and losing orientation will do it every time...looks like you crashed on a different day...no cloud cover...best to set up safe and save flight mode for it...if you get blinded by flying into sun just flip safe on could save your plane next time...I always try to plan my flights with the Sun at my back. But sometimes it's unavoidable...Also check your radio for any Holds which would mean you lost radio communications to your receiver...also set up Fail Safe Mode...if loss of signal plane will continue to fly wings level reduced power...doing that saved my V1200 on maiden...I did not do range check and had a bad receiver...HH sent me another receiver free of charge....I've been flying using Spektrum for over four years and only had one bad receiver in that time...I have over 30 planes that I fly, and all Spektrum receivers...
I usually only fly at my club in the mornings as the sun comes up behind us, but I have flown here several times in the afternoon when the weather is good and when I'm itching to fly, as was the case that day. I know what loss of orientation looks like and this wasn't it. I've lost orientation on a few occasions with different planes. I actually lost a plane last December due to this - an E-flite Cirrus SR-22 1.5m (didn't get it on camera, unfortunately). I was inverted and when I rolled over I somehow lost my bearings or just had a brain fade and just forgot which way was up/down. I don't even know how I put it into the ground, but I know it was 100% my fault.
A couple of years ago I was flying my FW F-22 during an overcast day and the plane vanished into the sky for a second, I lost orientation and didn't know which way it was pointing. Thankfully I recovered that immediately as my heart sunk into my pants. LoL
Those are 2 occasions I can remember where orientation was lost, so I know exactly what it feels and looks like, but this Zeus was not lost due to lack of orientation, it was something else. And whatever it was we will probably never know for sure.
I hate unexplained crashes! Hand launched a 64mm Rafale from FMS the other day and no controls working except throttle. Nearly hit my fellow club members under the canopy. Embarrassing.
Sorry for loss. Was flying great. To me it seemed you lost good view flying into the sun, plane rolled and u didn’t realize it got inverted. My buddy has the Zeus and it’s fast.
Would love to agree with you and for a while after the crash I really questioned my reality, but no, it wasn't loss of orientation. I know what that feels like as I've had that happen before, but it wasn't the case this time. There have been some theories floating around about a potential BEC failure that would've caused the plane to reboot as some folks on FB lost their Zeus the exact same way, which supports this theory, but who really knows for sure... 🤷
I started flying anything about 4 months ago on the 70mm F-35. I did my research before entering this hobby, and I settled on ELRS. I use opensource because I've seen a repeating pattern. Signal loss with Spektrum. I understand they have the best gyro in the industry. But with ELRS you have guaranteed minimum 4-5 miles range on 250mw power. I think it might be time to start looking at ELRS and using another type of gyro. Sorry bro, but that's my honest opinion. I'm too poor to even be in this hobby. I buy everything used except the Radio. If I crash, I'm out of the game bro. I can't afford to crash, so I can't afford to fly Spektrum, pun intended.
If you can't afford to crash, you're in the wrong hobby. You WILL crash - everyone does. It doesn't matter what brand of radio you buy or how good you think it is, it doesn't matter if you buy new or used planes, foam or balsa, build or buy them, things fail from time to time, it's just how it is. I've gone months without an incident, but sometimes a gremlin gets in and ruins your day. On this day it was my Zeus 8S.
A lot have said that it was loss of orientation, but I know what that feels like and it wasn't it. What it felt like was signal loss and my stick inputs had no effect on the plane. But I'm also doubtful of that as I've had signal loss before with 3 different radio brands (including my NX10) and this felt a little different. Previously, when I lose signal, the radio hunts for the signal and you have intermittent connection. You'll lose it and then get it back. Lose it and get it back. This was just a complete shutdown and I had nothing. Which also points the finger at a possible faulty BEC (which comes with the plane) as others have reported similar failures which also resulted in crashes.
Yeah, in the video I say "I lost signal", but that doesn't mean it was Spektrum's fault. I don't know for sure and neither does anyone else, so for you or anyone to bad-mouth the brand because of a reputation they had about 10-15 years ago is just ignorant and invalid. What conclusive and undeniable proof do you have to say the protocol in my radio was the cause? I don't even have that proof and I was there. LoL. Plus, the receiver used in the Zeus was taken from my FW F-22 90mm which had flown flawlessly for months and since this crash I've also used the same receiver in another plane and not had any issues. Yes, I lost signal, but it doesn't mean it was the radio's fault.
Yeah, ELRS sounds great, but I absolutely hate the open source software, it infuriates me to no end and the support you get from the radio brands that use it is next to none. Plus, I have over 70 aircraft in my hangar and to change them all to ELRS would cost a small fortune. LoL.
Thanks for sharing your story and good luck with the F-35 if that's your first (or one of your first) planes. I have the F-35 and although I can fly it just fine, it's not the easiest plane to fly, especially for someone so fresh to the hobby.
Happy flying. 😎
@@aussiercairspace I'm currently talking with Freewing about my experience as a beginner flying the F-35. I found the wing too small for comfortable flight. I’ll admit, I only know what I’ve learned so far-I have three planes, all on ELRS. I spent three days figuring out the radio until I mastered it. Once you get a system dialed in, it’s tough to switch, which is why I really did my research before committing. I’m talking about recent research, not years-old info.
I spoke with guys at my local hobby shop-most of them run dual receivers on their expensive jets using Spektrum. Others, who had issues, switched to Futaba. I saw the potential of ELRS early on, and it’s already saved me once. I accidentally flew on 10mW power, and even then, I only experienced a minor glitch in the air. I’m really sorry about your plane though, nothing I say can fix that, but I just wanted to share my perspective.
One final thing-when I got into this hobby, I was very aware of the cost of failure. I’ve done everything possible to eliminate risk. I use AI-assisted preflight checks, including load testing all servos before each flight. So far, I haven’t had a single crash because I caught two servos starting to fail while still on the ground. It’s like the carpenter’s triangle-I’m missing the "money" corner, so I compensate with thorough preflight routines and thoughtful procedures to force failures to happen before takeoff.
Just pull data log, I log all my flights on my Jeti radio. Specially important if something goes wrong.
That would've been a good idea had any of us thought of it before I turned the radio off. LoL. Unfortunately, there was one guy that suggested that after I picked up was left of my plane, but I had already switched it off by then and all flight data was gone.
@@aussiercairspace turning Tx on/off has nothing to do with Datalog, your transmitter should save you flight log. My Jeti saves log automatically or I san stop recording manually, either way it’s all logged.
I don't think my transmitter has that feature. I have seen people access flight log on the radio, but I believe as soon as you turn it off, that log resets. Which is why I had nothing on my radio afterwards. Either that or I just never turned on that feature or know how accessed it properly.
I would also blame your rc for this crash. I switched from DX 8 years ago because of frequent problems
That looks like orientation loss to me. It rolled right but you thought it was left… your input made it worse then instinctively pulled back. Hard to tell in the video, but … I wish I could say that has never happened to me…
Would love to agree with you and for a while after the crash I really questioned my reality, but no, it wasn't loss of orientation. I know what that feels like as I've had that happen before, but it wasn't the case this time. There have been some theories floating around about a potential BEC failure that would've caused the plane to reboot as some folks on FB lost their Zeus the exact same way, which supports this theory, but who really knows for sure... 🤷
You lost your orientation for a split second, due to that glaring sun. Fly earlier !
No, it wasn't loss of orientation. The plane went dead on the sticks due to possible power failure.
This is why I no longer use mode one. I found it too easy to accidentally mix ailerons with throttle inputs. Not saying this was the case. But I did crashed almost identically this way.
Sorry for your loss mate.
Thanks. What mode you fly should have no influence on how often you crash or how you crash. I fly mode 2 and I crash about once or twice a year. Sometimes it's due to the unexplained (like in this video), sometimes it's just my dumb thumbs doing dumb things. LoL. I've actually crashed 2 other planes since this one, but they were due to a bad hand launch. It happens sometimes. 🤷
@@aussiercairspace try mode 1 and get back to me on that one.
I know what you mean. I was merely pointing out a similar issue that occurred when I was flying one time. Prompting me to change the settings.
Nooooooo 😢
Want to sell the 8s set up?
Nah, I have plans for it. 😉
pls have more f22's video!!!!!
Will do. 👍
@@aussiercairspace thanks! She’s beautiful
No words…😶
no guts no Glory
If you had a proper radio with logging capabilities you would know exactly what happened. Friends don't let friends fly Spektrum.
It's ignorant and bigoted comments like this that ruin this hobby. Please stop this nonsense.
@@aussiercairspace No, Spektrum ruins the hobby with their junk. I lost two planes because of their trash and many a friend has had crashes using Spektrum. There are fatal flaws in their system they refuse to admit and accept.
Fatal?
Yes. The plane died - it was damaged beyond repair.
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I'm sorry for your loss. 😱 You became another victim of the dark side of our hobby. 😱🙁
I saw a few comments about your Spektrum radio, and I agree with you. There's nothing wrong with Spektrum. I think your plane's ESC failed. Freewing has recently started using cheap ESCs that are failing.
Check out my new Freewing F16 90mm V2 with a faulty ESC from the factory...🤦🏾♂️
th-cam.com/users/shortsjVOu4OokFIA?si=vPLc9jKFc_dAXwY5
MotionRC knows about the issue but hasn't done anything yet. I'm still waiting for them to tell me if they will send me another ESC or a replacement jet.
It's too bad that your plane crashed before you could spot the issue.
Have a great rest of your day 👍🏾 Greetings from Douglas, Arizona 👍🏾🌵🌵🇵🇷
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Thank you much. 🙂
I too have the F-16 V2 inbound, as well as the new FMS Avanti 90mm with Thrust Vectoring. I also bought a new ESC for the F-16 in case the stock one goes bad.
@aussiercairspace th-cam.com/users/shortsjVOu4OokFIA?si=vPLc9jKFc_dAXwY5 That's mine...ESC came defective from factory and MotionRC hasn't say what are they finally going to do to solve my issue. I first contacted them a week ago. If I were you, I would caacel the order right away, before is too late.
Nah, not gonna cancel. Lots of people flying this plane without issue, so I'm willing to take the chance.
@aussiercairspace Yes, the jet is beautiful, and yes, there are many people flying this without issues. SmokeymountainRC, for example, replaced his ESC and has been flying it without issues ever since.
You are free to do as you feel. Good luck with yours when it arrives. Keep us updated on how it goes. Have a great day 😁 Greetings from Douglas, Arizona 🌵🌵👍🏾🇵🇷
Spectrum radio gear ! Move on to a reputable brand. Jeti or FrSky
Honestly, comments like this make me roll my eyes all the way to back of my head. 🙄 Just shut up about Spektrum, there's nothing wrong with the radio or the brand. And it's not like no other brand has NEVER had a signal issue, ever. So please go touch grass or something and shut up with these comments. Absolute nonsense.
Also, Spektrum is already expensive as it is, so I'm not going to Jeti that costs twice as much here and you need a degree to use. A few guys at the club have those radios and they're a nightmare to program, they're big, heavy and receivers are equally big and cost a fortune. Hard pass.
And FrSky? Really? I lost 3 planes with FrSky a few years back when I had the Taranis X9D and swore never to touch that brand again. FrSky are an absolute joke for reliability, product support and UI. Not going anywhere near that brand ever again.
I started with Spektrum and have been using the pilot control for many, many years, there have never been any problems, then once I had a receiver from Motionrc and my plane crashed.
Honestly, It doesn't matter. I'm using a jumper t lite radio with FLYSKY, simple but effective receivers. Sometimes stuff fails. I guess I am lucky (or am I?) I haven't had any issue with the setup I am using although I will upgrade in the future but will probably stick to open/edge TX and most likely will still be using the FLYSKY receivers in cheaper planes. One Thing I am always looking out for is antenna/receiver placement. That's the only thing Ive watched out for and respected. Many things can fail. Interference is also a possible factor. So many things can go wrong. The most important thing is to be sure you have done your job. The rest is luck. A good alternative can be the new ELRS receivers or newer protocols in the future.
Frsky over spectrum 🤯 you are nuts 😅😅 spectrum hands down is higher quality with a lot more reliability and technical support
Reputable brand FrSky??😂😂😂😂😂😂that’s a toy mate, reputable brands are Futaba, JR, Spektrum or Graupner..but FrSky??😂😂😂😂I Fly rc planes 30 years ago and i know what i say, i don’t think the crash reason was the Spektrum tx