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Why would I film a range check? Also, I had 4 flights prior to crash without a hint of signal loss or any other issues whatsoever, so please tell me what you would do differently had this been your plane? I wasn't using a gyro, so no gains to check.

No, I haven't, I've only got standard lipos for this jet.

@@aussiercairspace how about the others? have u try any lihv on 8s?

No, I don't own any HV Lipos. I find a good battery with a good C rating works just fine for me.

@@aussiercairspace what battery are u using?

Thank you so much. 🙂 Just remember, if you're using an AR630 receiver, be sure to turn off AS3X. Otherwise both gyros will be fighting each other during flight. Unless you mean to type AR620, in which case you'll be fine. 😎

@@aussiercairspace oh sorry....correction I am using the AR 620....thanks!!

Yeah, I'm planning to go 8S with it soon. 😉

Good observation. 👍

Ovonic 2200mah 4S 120C

Thanks for reply... did you have to cut away any foam to fit 4s inside ? Also i havnt flown mine yet but found with 3s you have to put the batt as far back as you can get it for the given c of g . ( nowhere near the centre of the velcro straps,) does your batt go rearward......​@@aussiercairspace

Nah, I have plans for it. 😉

Sister order me this one

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No, if you pay close attention, Spektrum is not to blame for this. You can read through the comments to see why as I've explained it about 3 times now. Nothing wrong with Spektrum, mate.

Yes, I saw that and I really felt for him. THAT was signal loss, 100% due to radio or receiver failure. This was signal loss, but not due to the TX or RX, it was a complete shutdown of control, which leads me to believe it was something else inside the plane that caused it. Several people (including myself) have speculated that it was the BEC and I'm inclined to believe it. It can't be proven for sure, but it does make sense. The difference between RC Geek's scenario and mine is that he had signal come on & off until he eventually lost it. Mine was like something just simply cut the link between plane and pilot. There were no warning signs prior or anything that hinted there was a signal issue. This is also backed up by the Rx that was in this plane (AR8020T) was used in my F-22 90mm prior to this without issue and has since been installed in my F-18 90mm since this crash and I've not had a single problem. So yeah, both mine and RC Geek's crash were due to signal loss, but the causes for said signal loss are totally different.

It's never pilot error. It's the economy, stupid!

I think you might be correct. Great explanation, thank you. 😎👍

No, it wasn't loss of orientation. The plane went dead on the sticks due to possible power failure.

The radio is not the problem.

@@aussiercairspace Maybe not the equipment, but I wouldn't rule out interference within the frequency.

😆 Murphy's Law, I guess. 😆

@@aussiercairspace yep! 🤣

Thank you much. 🙂 I too have the F-16 V2 inbound, as well as the new FMS Avanti 90mm with Thrust Vectoring. I also bought a new ESC for the F-16 in case the stock one goes bad.

@aussiercairspace th-cam.com/users/shortsjVOu4OokFIA?si=vPLc9jKFc_dAXwY5 That's mine...ESC came defective from factory and MotionRC hasn't say what are they finally going to do to solve my issue. I first contacted them a week ago. If I were you, I would caacel the order right away, before is too late.

Nah, not gonna cancel. Lots of people flying this plane without issue, so I'm willing to take the chance.

@aussiercairspace Yes, the jet is beautiful, and yes, there are many people flying this without issues. SmokeymountainRC, for example, replaced his ESC and has been flying it without issues ever since. You are free to do as you feel. Good luck with yours when it arrives. Keep us updated on how it goes. Have a great day 😁 Greetings from Douglas, Arizona 🌵🌵👍🏾🇵🇷

Thanks. After all the chatter about this plane since the upload, I'm seriously considering one of the new orange ones. I might get one either later this year or early next. 😁

Yeah, definitely know the pain. Sorry to hear about your F-18. I have one myself and love it. 😎

If you can't afford to crash, you're in the wrong hobby. You WILL crash - everyone does. It doesn't matter what brand of radio you buy or how good you think it is, it doesn't matter if you buy new or used planes, foam or balsa, build or buy them, things fail from time to time, it's just how it is. I've gone months without an incident, but sometimes a gremlin gets in and ruins your day. On this day it was my Zeus 8S. A lot have said that it was loss of orientation, but I know what that feels like and it wasn't it. What it felt like was signal loss and my stick inputs had no effect on the plane. But I'm also doubtful of that as I've had signal loss before with 3 different radio brands (including my NX10) and this felt a little different. Previously, when I lose signal, the radio hunts for the signal and you have intermittent connection. You'll lose it and then get it back. Lose it and get it back. This was just a complete shutdown and I had nothing. Which also points the finger at a possible faulty BEC (which comes with the plane) as others have reported similar failures which also resulted in crashes. Yeah, in the video I say "I lost signal", but that doesn't mean it was Spektrum's fault. I don't know for sure and neither does anyone else, so for you or anyone to bad-mouth the brand because of a reputation they had about 10-15 years ago is just ignorant and invalid. What conclusive and undeniable proof do you have to say the protocol in my radio was the cause? I don't even have that proof and I was there. LoL. Plus, the receiver used in the Zeus was taken from my FW F-22 90mm which had flown flawlessly for months and since this crash I've also used the same receiver in another plane and not had any issues. Yes, I lost signal, but it doesn't mean it was the radio's fault. Yeah, ELRS sounds great, but I absolutely hate the open source software, it infuriates me to no end and the support you get from the radio brands that use it is next to none. Plus, I have over 70 aircraft in my hangar and to change them all to ELRS would cost a small fortune. LoL. Thanks for sharing your story and good luck with the F-35 if that's your first (or one of your first) planes. I have the F-35 and although I can fly it just fine, it's not the easiest plane to fly, especially for someone so fresh to the hobby. Happy flying. 😎

​@@aussiercairspace I'm currently talking with Freewing about my experience as a beginner flying the F-35. I found the wing too small for comfortable flight. I’ll admit, I only know what I’ve learned so far-I have three planes, all on ELRS. I spent three days figuring out the radio until I mastered it. Once you get a system dialed in, it’s tough to switch, which is why I really did my research before committing. I’m talking about recent research, not years-old info. I spoke with guys at my local hobby shop-most of them run dual receivers on their expensive jets using Spektrum. Others, who had issues, switched to Futaba. I saw the potential of ELRS early on, and it’s already saved me once. I accidentally flew on 10mW power, and even then, I only experienced a minor glitch in the air. I’m really sorry about your plane though, nothing I say can fix that, but I just wanted to share my perspective. One final thing-when I got into this hobby, I was very aware of the cost of failure. I’ve done everything possible to eliminate risk. I use AI-assisted preflight checks, including load testing all servos before each flight. So far, I haven’t had a single crash because I caught two servos starting to fail while still on the ground. It’s like the carpenter’s triangle-I’m missing the "money" corner, so I compensate with thorough preflight routines and thoughtful procedures to force failures to happen before takeoff.

FlySky? Haha, that's a big fat nope. I lost a few planes in my early years using their flagship at the time i10 radio and swore never to touch them again. Both FlySky and FrSky are the bottom of my list for radio choices. Appreciate the suggestion, but it's a hard pass from me.

@@aussiercairspace it Frsky bro. nowadays people switch to Frsky tandem already including XXXL turbine jets. Find yourself the video

I wasn't using EC5 connectors, I used my own XT150 connectors.

It's very possible a flap servo failed on mine as well. I can't remember if we tested those after the crash or not, so there's a chance that could've been it. Sorry for your loss as well. I'm also waiting on the FMS Avanti 90mm and I got the Thrust Vectoring option as well. Should be good fun. 😁

😧 oh wow, that sucks. Sorry to hear.

Just google " where to buy Freewing Zeus 8S" and you'll get your answer. Here in Australia, we have some hobby shops that sell them, so that's where I got mine from.

@@aussiercairspace but in the hobby shop is crazy expensive!

There's always deals to be had with sales. I've gotten some pretty good deals off eBay when there's a sale on.

@@aussiercairspace is 90 f22 better than zeus? i want to upgrade to some bigger one, but im not sure which one is better, can u give me some advice ?

The thought of repair did enter my mind, but there was just too much damage and by the time I ordered a new fuse, landing gear, maybe new wings (the crashed ones had structural damage) and a few other bits, I just didn't see it being worth it. So I scrapped it and will probably revisit this plane another time. 😎

I lost 3 planes on my X9D a few years back and got rid of it very quickly. Although I blame signal loss for this crash, the reality is I don't really know for sure. The receiver in this plane was previously in my F-22 90mm and I had no issues with it, and I've since used it in another plane also without issue, so it may not have been a radio issue at all. The theory about a BEC failure is also a likely scenario. Some folks on FB did comment at the time that something similar happened to them due to the BEC crapping out, so it's very possible it was the BEC. The problem is that everything worked when we tested it back in the pits so we couldn't prove that theory. But that's not to say that the BEC didn't shut down for a second and reboot the ESC during flight. We'll just never know.... 🤷

@@aussiercairspace I'm hearing you Vas. That's the worst part of this hobby. Sometimes you can never find out the real cause. I run satellite receivers in all my aircraft and external BEC's or separate battery packs as you never know the built it BEC's can have a brain fart. Hope it doesn't happen again. Do love the X9D

Cheers. Yes, I use an NX10. And...?

Honestly, comments like this make me roll my eyes all the way to back of my head. 🙄 Just shut up about Spektrum, there's nothing wrong with the radio or the brand. And it's not like no other brand has NEVER had a signal issue, ever. So please go touch grass or something and shut up with these comments. Absolute nonsense. Also, Spektrum is already expensive as it is, so I'm not going to Jeti that costs twice as much here and you need a degree to use. A few guys at the club have those radios and they're a nightmare to program, they're big, heavy and receivers are equally big and cost a fortune. Hard pass. And FrSky? Really? I lost 3 planes with FrSky a few years back when I had the Taranis X9D and swore never to touch that brand again. FrSky are an absolute joke for reliability, product support and UI. Not going anywhere near that brand ever again.

I started with Spektrum and have been using the pilot control for many, many years, there have never been any problems, then once I had a receiver from Motionrc and my plane crashed.

Honestly, It doesn't matter. I'm using a jumper t lite radio with FLYSKY, simple but effective receivers. Sometimes stuff fails. I guess I am lucky (or am I?) I haven't had any issue with the setup I am using although I will upgrade in the future but will probably stick to open/edge TX and most likely will still be using the FLYSKY receivers in cheaper planes. One Thing I am always looking out for is antenna/receiver placement. That's the only thing Ive watched out for and respected. Many things can fail. Interference is also a possible factor. So many things can go wrong. The most important thing is to be sure you have done your job. The rest is luck. A good alternative can be the new ELRS receivers or newer protocols in the future.

Frsky over spectrum 🤯 you are nuts 😅😅 spectrum hands down is higher quality with a lot more reliability and technical support

Reputable brand FrSky??😂😂😂😂😂😂that’s a toy mate, reputable brands are Futaba, JR, Spektrum or Graupner..but FrSky??😂😂😂😂I Fly rc planes 30 years ago and i know what i say, i don’t think the crash reason was the Spektrum tx

That would've been a good idea had any of us thought of it before I turned the radio off. LoL. Unfortunately, there was one guy that suggested that after I picked up was left of my plane, but I had already switched it off by then and all flight data was gone.

@@aussiercairspace turning Tx on/off has nothing to do with Datalog, your transmitter should save you flight log. My Jeti saves log automatically or I san stop recording manually, either way it’s all logged.

I don't think my transmitter has that feature. I have seen people access flight log on the radio, but I believe as soon as you turn it off, that log resets. Which is why I had nothing on my radio afterwards. Either that or I just never turned on that feature or know how accessed it properly.

Thanks. What mode you fly should have no influence on how often you crash or how you crash. I fly mode 2 and I crash about once or twice a year. Sometimes it's due to the unexplained (like in this video), sometimes it's just my dumb thumbs doing dumb things. LoL. I've actually crashed 2 other planes since this one, but they were due to a bad hand launch. It happens sometimes. 🤷

@@aussiercairspace try mode 1 and get back to me on that one. I know what you mean. I was merely pointing out a similar issue that occurred when I was flying one time. Prompting me to change the settings.