MANDALORIAN Season 3 Episode 6 REVIEW - Best or Worst of Season? | ScreenCrush Rewind
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Mandalorian Season 3 Episode 6 is a weird one. It's a lot of fun, even if the cameos form Jack Black and Lizzo were distracting--but the genre droid detective story in Star Wars was a lot of fun. We're joined by Heather Antos and Paul Tweddle from Heavy Spoilers to give their thoughts.
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I’m going to talk about 3 things: the story, the cameos, and the dark saber. I think casual fans of star wars are going to like the most basic story here, with Din and Bo-Katan solving mysteries at Epcot Center. It follows a familiar trope that we’ve seen in shows like Law and Order or true detective.
A buddy cop show where two law enforcement officers go on various occasions, interviewing witnesses and suspects who are in the middle of their daily lives, until an autopsy finally reveals the final truth. It was also provided brilliantly in the community. [clip].
Even though these tropes are so well-worn, it was fun to see them in star wars. It felt like more of a return to season 1, where episodes delved into genres like a Kurosawa films, westerns, and jailbreaks. Star Wars has always combined genres like samurai, westerns, fighter pilot action movies, war epics, and political thrillers-into one saga. It's why it's so successful, it's familiar and new, more stipended in nostalgia than a baseball game.
So for this episode, Christopher Lloyd's motivations were a bit unclear but who really cares? It was a fun cameo because he was able to disappear in a role. Even though Christopher Lloyd is mostly known for playing Doc Brown in Back to the Future, he can play other roles, and it’s not a distraction.
Whereas Lizzo and Jack Black were major distractions, who were mostly playing themselves. Jack Black is great, very talented-and he excels at playing people who act exactly like Jack Black. Even in the sedated and underrated rom-com The Holiday, you can't separate the actor from the role. [clip]
Doug: But major movie stars have shown up in star wars before. Liam Neeson, Harrison Ford, Woody Harrelson…
Forest Whitaker, yes I know. But those actors disappeared into their roles. But Jack Black is a presence. It’s like if Barack Obama or Donald Trump showed up in a Star Wars movie-they would take you out of the world.
Doug: like Ed Sheeran in Game of Thrones.
Exact;y. And lizzo is just lizzo. She’s great, but she’s always gonna be Lizzo. But here’s the thing, I didn't mind these cameos that much. They set a tone for the episode, that it was going to be fun. Star Wars are supposed to be fun and goofy at times. We can have dark melodrama in the same universe where Han acts like a goofball [him blowing on Ewok fire.
But, what’s harder to forgive is how this episode has totally fumbled the storyline about the Mandalorians.
Doung: Fumbled I say! There will be a reckoning! A total sum!
Hey, easy buddy. Space wizards. But let me explain. The season 2 finale did an amazing job of setting us up for a new season. Grogu was with Luke Skywalker. Din Djarin had just accidentally become king of Mandalore by winning the dark saber in combat-like Arthur accidentally pulling the sword from the stone.
This seemed to be setting up a conflict between him and Bo Katan, or his sect against Bo Katan’s sect.
And on top of that, he took off his helmet and was no longer on the same religious path.
And then, one by one, each of these awesome plot points was peacefully resolved. Din was reunited with Grogu in the book of Boba Fett. [clip]
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Hard disagree with all three POV'S here.
It honestly just sounds like everyone complaining about how the show isn't going their way.
Paul wants questions answered immediately the next episode and is also upset that topics like droids or interspecies relationships aren't full blown movies or episodes?
Heather really wanted episodes structured to her liking and Ryan, I hate to say it, you're complaining about things that are causing fans like myself to get turned off from your content. You like 'Rebels' cool but how many times do we need to hear about you not liking Ezra and how the story should've focused on someone else?
Or how some shows or episodes are just not to your liking.
I definitely enjoy your personal takes on these topics and opposing thoughts we have but I feel over the course of watching these over the years it gets hammered on, like you can really tell when you didn't enjoy something and the content becomes a bit biased.
Which brings me to the history of the DarkSaber. The rules for it are not known to everyone nor does it mean everyone who defeats the wielder of it is automatically 'The ruler of Manda'lore'.
It shouldn't be taken so literal nor should it be looked into so much especially when some of these characters never knew about the previous owners. I dont see sidious picking it up and either knowing full well its history or being able to just go to the planet and rule it. Maul challenged Vizla and everyone SAW him win the challenge so they can follow AND respect that leader.
Is it not a thought that Woves or anyone else hasn't challenged Mando out of fear just losing or intimidation? Paz I can see challenging him out of frustration and knowing him for some time.
Okay. Lol rant over.
@@domenicoyouknowme8929 I usually never agree with these critical opinion videos but his easter egg break downs are ze best.
It helps me that I had no clue who Lizzo is until I watched breakdowns of this epsiode. Being unaware of who she is, I think she did a pretty good job in her role.
It felt like an episode of Scooby Doo. The gang talk to a bunch of people and the villain turns out to be the first person they spoke to.
And that’s a bad thing? Did you expect Lloyd to be the bad guy?
You didn’t pick that up from the last video did you. Where they point that exact issue out
@@MiningForPies yah people sheep things they see in videos.
@@MiningForPies I didn’t say it was a bad thing. I thought it was a good episode. Feels like they are giving us a lighter episode before the final couple of darker episodes.
@@leegitness2190 His name was Helgait. So . . . that wasn't suspicious at all.
I'm glad that Bo and Mando did not end up clashing for the dark saber. I like the dynamics of the two as the power boss mommy and stay at home dad for Grogu.
They did all the CSI things in a CSI episode. Guest stars that are both good and the perp, zoom and enhance, talking to workers who continue to work, finding loopholes in the investigation etc. It was great
You cannot have “Mando vs Bo”. That would be completely out of character for Din. For 3 years, Din has shown that he only fights when he’s got a clear, unambiguous reason to. He doesn’t have a reason to fight Bo, and to make one you’d have to make Bo completely deviate from her established character. She’d have to threaten Grogu’s life or something similarly evil for Din to be motivated to fight her. She wants the saber but as long as Din has it, the only way it could be rightfully passed to her is the exact way that we saw play out. Din would need to be defeated and Bo would have to go and beat that person. That’s what happened. Din was caught off guard, lost the saber and Bo came to his aid. If you want to criticize something, you should ask why she so willingly handed it back
Well said.
TH-cam Star Wars creators start all this drama. Real Star Wars fans loved this episode!
@@TravelsTTG YES! These guys just like to complain about stuff.
I suppose she didn't see with her own eyes Din being captured; she only came in later and saw the darksaber on the ground and used it to defend herself and rescue Din. I have no problems with the way Bo got the darksaber, it was a nice twist that avoided a Bo-Din clash.
Even if Din doesn't care about the Dark Saber he respects the ways of the Mandalore, and is in debt to Bo. If Bo truely wanted a claim to the saber and challenged Din, he would have to accept, just as he did when challenged by Paz. I'm not sure what that fight would look like, if Din would go all out, if Bo would strike a fatal blow to win.. but I would have loved to see it, and frankly it was set up. While I don't oppose to the "loop hole" that allowed her to claim it, the fact is it's no as exciting. I'm still not convinced it won't happen either. If we go back to the premier Pedro Pascal let slip a spoiler when referring to Katie he said, "Wait till you see what she does to me." We still have two episodes left this season so let's see what happens.
I love the scene where the droids are afraid of being replaced. It shows a more “human” side to them. 😂
Sentient is a better word instead of human i get your point tho lol
I thought mando was going to get the memory core
The whole thing was stupid because the writers are stupid. That would never happen
This might be just a pet peeve of mine but I hate it when they give robots human feelings and personality. That's why the original terminator was the best terminator. It couldn't be bargained with. It couldn't be reasoned with. It doesn't feel pity, or remorse, or fear. It absolutely never ever stops until it kills the target.
@@manoz6194 I disagree. I thought it was great, and it went back to what made season 1 so awesome. Each episode tackled a new genre of film and adapted Mando’s quest and the cinematography to fit the genre presented. Sci-fi, western, legal, mercenary, mystery, all of these are embraced by this show and it was great to have a lighter “buddy cop” episode. And they absolutely established a TON in this episode. Not only did Bo regain the saber (legitimately I might add) but they showed that Mandalor will now be recognized as independent by at least one nearby world. Just going back and building a couple houses isn’t enough to “regain” the planet- they need to be politically recognized and they’ve started that. It further established how droids feel after being discarded by the Imps, and that Mickey mirrors what the clones are going through in Bad Batch. And who knows what that knighthood that Grogu received could mean in the future? That could be far more important than any of us think. I think it was a great overall episode and even the people “complaining” about it are simpultanepusly admitting they enjoyed it. These people just want their “theories” to be correct so when the writers go off the predicted course they go into attack mode. There doesn’t need to be a “Bo v Din” or a New Mandalorian Civil War just because a bunch of Star Wars nerds (I say that as one of them) had thought that’s what would happen before season 3 even debuted. People are still I’ll about Mando taking over Boba Fett too and they’re taking it out on this season. Who cares that those two episodes were on another show? We all still watched it and enjoyed them. Ugh. Hate film critics
Count me among those that have enjoyed this episode, this season, and all the cameos throughout. For my part I don’t need another Mandalorian civil war. They have suffered enough. I want to see them whole again and formidable. A threat to Thrawn and the remnants of the Empire. I love that Bo has too much respect for Din to challenge him despite her ambitions. And I love that he found a way to stay true to his character in surrendering the dark saber to her. Given the fact we don’t see the Mandalorians as a major force in the content that follows I don’t anticipate a happy ending for them. But I hope they unite and pose a threat that draws Thrawn into action.
Bo knows Din wants her to have the Dark Saber. Were she to challenge him she knows he would throw the fight to let her have it. Them fighting is pointless in her eyes.
Good point
Exactly my thoughts. Like Din wouldnt even fight that hard and let Bo win easily. He really doesnt care about dark saber at all, he got it accidentally xD
I’ve thought this several times…. If Din throws the fight is it really better than what they did? Not sure how people want it to be resolved…. It’s very much in character with Din. I feel like it’s not over though…..
@@samotutko757 He totally could not care less!
They gonna be together next Season
Great guests this week thanks
no no you need to virtue signal by complaining about the show and gatekeeping and hatewatching and all that stuff, get with it!!!!!!!
Insert Reel Rejects saying "f-k you Ryan Arey" here!
Uncle Kevin!! 👋
i want an episode where Paul plays Doug
You need to start a podcast!
The complaints last week were that Mandalorian has moved away from single story per episode.
They do a one off story thats completed in a single episode and now that’s a problem 🤔
Most people just wanna complain about stuff these days, there is very rarely substance to it
Exactly. Can't satisfy Star Wars 'fans'.
People just need to complain about everything.
The problem is the complete distraction caused by poor casting. Good actors could have been chosen for this episode, and it would have fixed most of it.
@@digital_crickets The actors did fit the characters they were trying to play tho esp in Black's case but Lizzo prob should have had less lines since the delivery came across pretty dry
@@sebastian.stamour I could understand if the characters they were playing were set for the actors but the storyline was pretty zany from the beginning. Don't remember the same uproar for Bill Burr ( who I honestly wouldn't mind seeing again) But it's no like they are giving the role of Thrawn to Jim Carrey or something
I had no idea who Lizzo (spelling?) was before this episode so to me it was just a cool and eccentric ruler of a planet. Also Jack Black was super tame (compared to other roles) and charming and did not take away my enjoyment of the episode. I am very happy and satisfied with season 3 so far personally.
Just like I had no idea who ed sherran was in game of thrones
If Bo-Katan was going to challenge Din for the dark saber, she would have at the end of season 2, and Din hasn't really shown desire to be a ruler, it seems like he just wants to settle down and have a home (just gotta unite all Mandalorians and reclaim Mandalor first). Also, beginning and ending a Mandalorian civil war in the same season, would feel rushed. I am worried Din and Bo are going to become a weird millennial power couple becoming baby Grogu's parents, driving him in the mythosaur to soccer practice, but could also see any character being killed off at anytime and the series go "game of thrones"/"rogue one"
Din didn't want to rule but they put him on the hero's journey going through the hero's call. They completely ignored that and made him just another zealot again.
@@zechrojas2202 Din has never once showed an inkling in wanting to rule anything. He’s always been the outcast hero, there to defeat the bad guys, but always moving on to the next village. Not every hero becomes the King or Ruler of a people. Sometimes they save the day and move on. Don’t project your own wants into a character that hasn’t shown any ambition to lead.
I said this too, there is a weird sexual tension between those two. And Din just wants to settle down and be Papa Mando.
@Joe Shmoe I think that he was using a structuralist/mythic approach to critique the episode, which works well with Star Wars.
This is Disney. Nobody is dying don’t kid yourself.
I never thought Mando would fight Bo. He tried to give her the sabre right from the start, and nothing he ever did has given us the impression that he wants to rule anywhere or anybody. I was satisfied.
Yeah. I don’t get the complaints the commentators make (especially the geordie lad, don’t know his name) not sure they’re watching the same series as me. Or if they’re making up their own head canon and then complaining when the show doesn’t go they way they’re thinking it should
Yah feels like people are getting upset that their predictions aren’t happening. Also. I think if Bo beat Din they’d call her a marry sue.
EXACTLY, I don't understand why so many people were so convinced that there would be a conflict between Bo and Din because the show never implies that there was any animosity between them. And it went out of its way to show that Din has absolutely no desire to rule anything so why would someone think that his and Bo's objectives would clash
I definitely agree with this, I don't think Mando should've challenged Bo, it was never his motivation. But the writers failed to create any real problem outside of "we need to reclaim Mandalore". If Mando is basically going to be a pacifist then the script needs to create conflict somewhere else and they failed to do that unfortunately
Most of the criticism to how Mando has handled the darksaber has been “I thought it was going to be just like GoT but it’s not like GoT”
The world that Jack Black was in was so outrageous that the character he "played" would have reasonably behaved just like Jack Black. Lol I loved your comment, Jack Black is great at playing roles of characters who act just like Jack Black :) :)
The stock Jack Black character is an obnoxious and immature man-child who seems to think that by being such an over the top obnoxious and immature man-child he's actually mocking obnoxious and immature man-children but in reality is just an obnoxious and immature man-child. Count me in as not a big fan. I get what he's doing but it just doesn't do much for me, going all the way back to High Fidelity. The only time I've seen him play a more conventional character was in The Enemy of the State, and perhaps that movie with Kate Winslet, which I just thought a really odd casting choice that didn't really work.
This episode was fun to watch. I liked the cameos, the investigations, the Droid just trying to have a cold one, and how practical and effective Mando was as a detective.
Agreed, so entertaining!
@@gtdrake50 Calm down shill boy, this episode is trash
Star Wars is meant to be fun. I thought this episode was fun.
Ryans take on the small stories playing out in the background amongst a huge galaxy is great. Makes the world feel full and lived in.
I really feel like the big stars are meant to distract us/lull us into a false sense of security about Plazir-15 by feeding our tendency to think big star cameos won't get hurt/punished if they are the good guys. I bet it's getting attacked/destroyed to punish the Mandalorians in the last episodes.
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10/10 episode, just like the prison episode from season 1. Side quest episodes like this are great in story driven shows like this because it's just time to get to know the characters without much pressure to keep pushing the plot.
I totally enjoy this episodes, sad to see fans didn’t really get the relax part of stories, they always want action, progress, more and more. Is always good to slow down and see the world
Yeah, I'd say that's why I liked this episode too. It was calmer than most of them, it was fun and it had an interesting mystery. I didn't find the cameos distracting either.
Lizzo’s wooden acting took me back to the OG 6 films. Felt like real Starwars.
As an old, I had no idea who Lizzo was. I just assumed Jack Black's character's wife was a random celeb who was obviously giddy because she got asked 3 hours ago if she wanted to be in Star Wars.
I've been holding judgment until this season is over. I kind of felt the way you explained in the open when the season started, but I quickly tempered my expectations. I find that I enjoy a show like the Mandalorian when I can turn my brain off and just absorb the content. I think that's why I liked this episode so much, because Din and Bo got to be space cops and it was fun.
Also Gideon was correct in the season 2 finale. "The Sword doesn't have power. The Story does."
Bo has her eye on the mythasuar..and I think Bo and Din are growing closer and don't WANT the drama of the dark sabre.
Star wars is all about Family father and son so i believe they come together on Last seasons He will be King and Queen of mandalore
My family and I love the Mandalorian and we enjoyed the this episode. Detective work and it got back on track with Bo defeating Axe for Mandalorian leadership, but she needed the darksaber and Din provided a scenario that she is entitled to that light saber.
You guys must be easily impressed
@City of Trees No. We're just not eternally ungrateful whiny "fans" like you.
I liked the episode. It was a totally different style, and that's what I like about the SW universe, its diversity in beings and style.
Too many cooks in the kitchen. Save it for the anthology show. A series needs more consistent tone to succeed.
You all forget there wasn't really a villain in season 1 until the last 2 episodes when Moff Gideon finally came into play
Well Din and Grogu were running from someone. We just didn’t know who it was.
Yeah but now there is thats the problem
We were also just getting to know the characters and the mystery of the child was enough of a driver
Yeah and that’s also a problem with season 1. Doesn’t make this episode any better?
honestly i love this season, it feels more episodic but still like we’re heading to a grandiose finale. like din isn’t a aggressor or defender he’s just going on his own journey with grogu to find hisself and where he belongs.
This season felt like season is like Jon Favreau and Dave Filoni playing with all their action figures. 😂 Which isn’t necessarily a bad thing. It’s come to be fun and maybe be a bridge between seasons? Something for everyone.
As someone who use to watch law and order special crimes unit marathons and as a new casual Star Wars fan thanks to the Mandolrion season 3 and I loved this episode and I’m am excited for a three announced movies and I didn’t even know who Lizzio was so that didn’t bother me and I thought Jack black was awesome
I didn’t know who ed Sheeran was during game of thrones. I just wondered why this random bard got so air time.
@@eatchas I’ve never watch game of thrones my
Also had no clue who Lizzo was, the terrible acting suggested it might not be her day job tho 😂
@@EvillClown11 lol yeah same here. I figured with 2 cameos, she must have been a cameo too because of the acting and had to look up if she was a cameo too.
The plot should have revolved around not only the need to recruit the Mandalorian on this world, but the need for the New Republic to recognize Mandalore's sovereignty. In this way you reveal the reason for the quest is not just so we can get to the next place we need to go, but its also in service of the main plot.
1. Bo and Din land and try to recruit the Mandalorian. Rather than fighting over leadership, Bo tries to convince the leader dude Mandalore is habitable again. They give him the readings from Din's R5 droid.
2. The leader dude is like "yeah that's cool and all, but even if we take back the world, the New Republic will never recognize our sovereignty. Its best we survive as privateers."
3. Then Bo is like "All we need is for another sovereign world to recognize us. Do you not have a good relationship with this planet?"
4. Leader Dude is like . . . "The leadership here is eccentric, but if you can find a world recognized by the Republic to sponsor us, I will consider joining you."
5. NOW we go meet Jack and Lizzo and do the droid rebellion quest.
6. Return and Axe Wove still doesn't want to take back Mandalore because a zealot would be in charge.
7. We do the saber technicality, but Axe Wove doesn't buy it. But it is enough to challenge Bo.
8. Fight happens, Bo wins.
Extra note: The reason nobody can challenge Din for the Saber is because he would not fight hard to keep it. Once he offers it to Bo at the End of Season 2, any challenge to fight him is now tainted. All it takes is a line of dialogue to make this clear.
THIS PLOT IS BRILLIANT!!! Except replace Lizzo and Jack Black… horrible acting.
Reading this makes me more sad about how they've actually written it.
@@FlyingVEE967
Thank you! Shamelessly, I did a video on it lol.
I figured they probably both called in favors- being a friend of someone to get the job. Lizzo kind of fits. The whole
Queen of Hearts vibe works if shes not such a simp for grogu- certainly don’t knight grogu as a joke. I don’t know. My specialty is writing not the acting lol.
Jack black should maybe have been a voice or someone from coruscant. Not a former imperial
@@zechrojas2202 they needed one or two more drafts to realize- but I’m guessing they were rushed. Heather said she notices lots of “string pulling” going on so I would defer to her expertise. It makes me sad too though.
And everything wrong really starts with forcing Grogu back into the story too early - so that means studio interference. But … hopefully they still stick the landing.
@@FlyingVEE967 I thought Jack Black was fine. Lizzo, not so much.
How did no one think of this when Bo freed Mando from the droid in the first place. They went out of their way to show that the droid took it from him and that she defeated the droid. I immediately thought she had taken the darksaber from the droid.
I liked this episode. I loved the cameos and I’m glad Mando found a loophole for Bo-Katan to get the Dark Saber. There is no way he would have been able to fight her with it. His heart would not have been it so he wouldn’t have been able to lift it or control it. We needed a lighter episode because I think the last two episodes will be pretty intense.
This was very much a live action episode of Clone Wars and I loved the cameos. It was just a weird place for the episode to be.
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Exactly why I hated it... a clone wars episode in an 8 episode season is crap. And most Clone Wars episodes were better written then this garbage, too.
I have felt this way all season long.
Bo said to Grogu “I guess we’re going for a ride “ then they literally fall into a rabbit hole (the hyper pop tube) it’s a weird episode, but it’s a lot of fun to watch
This is exactly how I felt.
how can one dislike a sci-fi detective story?
*BIG PROPS* to Screencrush host Ryan Arey for hosting a great conversation with my other favorite TH-cam channel host, Paul Tweddle from Heavy Spoilers, and new to me TH-camr Heather Antos!
Thank you!
I've been enjoying your videos as much as watching the shows themselves. Will check out Heather's channel too.
Best, Jay
The theme between the two couples in the episode (people from completely different backgrounds and ethnicities can come together as a couple) I believed is meant to foreshadow a coming romance for Din and Bo. It's what will bring peace to the two factions coming together. Also, did anyone else catch the look on Grogu's face he realized Jack Black and Lizzo were a couple? Priceless.......
Episode was garbage.
Yeah i feel they are going to be a couple King and Queen
It's neither. But the timing of it following The Pirate probably caught people off guard like me. With 3 chapters left in this season, I was expecting the main plot to be fully focused on. Although we did get Bo's and the mercenary Mandalorians at the end, I think the Dark Sabre thing felt like an anticlimax. But I suppose the overall message is that the whole helmet removal and dark sabre thing is what's holding them all back from thriving as a race and community.
The opening scene was to show that the helmet less Mandos have lost their honor and are really just. . .Guns for Hire.
The Carson Teva stuff last week showed how the New Republic is doing a bad job of managing threats and also how the Empire/First Order/? have agents operating on the inside, which ties into episode 3.
I feel like the darksaber move is having the same reaction that the helmet question did in Season 1. Just because it’s not what you expect and isn’t immediately explained to you doesn’t mean it’s bad.
Loved all the cameo if grogu likes someone you know you can trust them.
it honestly reminded me of what side quests were like in KotOR games.
I can picture it, there would've been like 3 Pazaak players on that planet. one on the street, one in droid cantina, and idk probably Lizzo
The writing was awful. Why didn’t Jack Black bring in a handful of his Mandos in. That would not violate the “no standing army inside the city” rules. He had no way of knowing that Bo would visit his world. How long was the Mandos contract? Nobody at all bothered to look at the actions each droid did leading up to their malfunctions? That is pretty basic. The ugnauts claiming they knew everything and were prideful about their work, yet they don’t give a swamp rat’s ass that their droids aren’t working. Jack Black insisting that he personally oversaw the droid reprogramming and he doesn’t bother to check if the software had a virus. He doesn’t check if the recents software patches are to blame. What was Doc’s end goal? Why did he want everyone to quit relying on droids? Yes Dooku was right, but what does that have to do with him taking a city hostage? The writing is so lazy and treats its audience like idiots. Nothing is shown. Everything is told in the most immersion-breaking way.
The callback to Christopher Lloyd's previous roles in Star Trek is not Insurrection (1998), but in the TOS movie The Search for Spock (1984)
16:15 Actually Ahsoka's voice is heard with other dead Jedi during Rise of Skywalker, which implies she's also dead by then.
I think the reason this worked in earlier seasons is because since then they have put SO much more on the table. Yeah, that first season had long-standing tropes as the basis for many episodes but the dark saber wasn't even an element of the show at the time. Neither was Ahsoka, and neither was bo katan. None of it. You can direct attention away from an overarching plot because there isn't much plot (in the best way possible) but NOW..... you've introduced space Excalibur, an exiled queen, a rogue warrior, factions of a scattered nation who don't get along, a reveal that a planet thought dead is habitable, a freaking dragon, a prophesied return of a leader of Mandalore. You cant just.... gimme all that and then ask me to sit through a side quest with a vintage story structure just for the fun of it.
Do you think they are introducing filler this season because Cara Dune was cut and now they need to fill some time?
There's probably some obligation to use concepts, scripts, or even maybe contracts with "performers" such as the celebs featured in this episode even though that show was cancelled. I think they are being shoe-horned in here so Disney can balance the books. Artistic integrity goes out the window but its always the $$$$$$$$ that count.
"Filler episodes" are not a thing.
I loved this episode, it was deeper than it seems, and every episode doesn’t have to be so serious and pushing the story. Jack black and Lizzo were perfect as the eccentric leaders who are actually good at leading.
The two things that bothered me about the episode is Bo getting the Dark Saber on a Technicality, and i know i wasn't the only one thinking that Din and Bo traveling to a planet basically ran and maintained by droids was going to see Din come across the parts he needs to repair IG-11. Lol like i was sure that was going to be the payoff to that episode but nah. 😂🤣
I've been utterly floored at the quality of stories when comparing Bad Batch season 2 to this season of Mando. Bad Batch feels so much more adult; it feels better written, like even side quests further the story or further a character's development in some way. Mando feels like they don't even know what they want to do with it, very aimless. I've been so surprised to see the Jon Favreau has written most of the episodes - not in a good way. It feels so backwards that the CARTOON is more adult, better written, and just a better show overall.
You're not wrong, but I put it down to Favreau and Filoni having to change their overall plan for the series when it was insisted upon by Disney that Grogu be re-introduced to the story as quickly as possible. How else to interpret the way that was shoe-horned into the mediocre Boba Fett show? I think they were forced to adapt and agree to things they hadn't originally planned for. I mean this cruddy filler episode with the pop culture celebrity cameos must surely have been intended for the cancelled Rangers of the Republic show, but Disney still wanted to use it and so it got shoved in here, with that lame resolution to the dark saber thing tacked on at the end. Sad to see what was a great show lose its direction and focus, but that's Disney SW I guess.
My friends and I have drawn the same conclusions. Bad Batch S2 seems to know what story it is trying to tell, while Mando S3 does not. Bad Batch has left me thinking, while Mando has been mostly forgettable.
Oh well, nothing great can stay great forever. I'm kinda hoping this is the last season of The Mandalorian. Then we get Ahsoka, then Skeleton Crew (for what that's worth?). Knowing that Filoni gets to direct the movie that ties them all together gives me hope that they will quit wasting the quality and momentum they have built, and deliver the first good Star Wars movie since Rogue One, closing out this chapter of Star Wars in a satisfying way.
@@digital_crickets I'm hoping next season mandalorian returns to form and closes the series out.
Look at the color grading and shot composition in between seasons two and three. It's not just that they brought Grogu back, but made everything much brighter and kid-like.
Now that I think about it, the aesthetic reminds me of Book of Boba Fett more than anything.
I'm assuming this is a Kathleen Kennedy directive with the intention of making mandalorian more kid friendly, but in typical post Disney Lucasfilm style abandoned the core fans.
It honestly feels like whenever we're getting some quality adult Star Wars, the overlords need to step in and remind them to make it for children instead of the adult fans of multiple decades.
Incredibly disappointing
@@arcataslacker Cannot disagree. Along this trend, it wouldn't surprise me to see Ewoks in S2 of Andor... Gotta dumb it down for the kids who don't even play with action figures anymore.
I love the bad batch so much more than this show and im so sad its only gonna have one more season.
I think Bo Katan should’ve kept the Darksaber when Mando lost it when he was captured. As she used it to defeat the weird Robot creature.
I think back then she was lost her hope and kinda giving up herself
I think Din & Bo should get it on so Grogz can have a lil fwend to play with
I've figured out why in the hell Favereu & Filoni would put Lizzo and Jack Black into their Star Wars show. They were hired to star in the Star Wars Christmas special Favereu has been trying to get off the ground. Perfect casting for something like that, but decided to give them a cheesy throw-away appearance in a star wars show to establish the characters and the world!
So happy to see these two challenging Ryan on everything 😂 their points were all spot on
It's so disjointed. This one was pretty weird.
Once again I am here to say that I will not make a judgment on a season of a series until it is over.
Loving seeing the ScreenCrush / HeavySpoliers crossover! Keep up the great work!
Heather’a perspectives are the best I feel like she’s got this crazy common sense to how this all could have been better or what we’ve been missing
I think they redid the Sabine scene so that the Armorer can be like "that's not how it works" and THEN Mando and Bo will fight while Gideon attacks
I honestly enjoyed this episode. Jack Black didn't take me out of it and I didm't even know it was Lizzo til Rwitter told me afterwards. I liked the rest of the story.
I have a feeling that this is supposed to be one of those lighthearted episodes that gives the audience a small break before some heavy storytelling happens. I’m expecting the next two episodes to be non-stop and heavy on drama.
I loved seeing the battle droids getting back in use again and the line about dooku
If they're going to do cameos, I'd much rather they be in an episode like this than one of the more serious/impactful ones. I thought it was fun and probably a good break before the final two. From the past seasons, we might be looking at a two-season arc for a good portion of the storylines. Seasons 1&2 are almost a set in terms of setup and payoff. Maybe that's going to be the same with 3&4?
This episode was like the scooter chase episode from Book or Boba Fett. Totally pulled me out of the world and made me question why I should even care. But I have not been happy with most of the episodes of this season, so maybe the show is just not for me anymore.
Every weekly tv show review ever:
Episode 1: “amazing episode, I think this is going to happen in the rest of the season”
Episode 2: “still great but they haven’t put any of my thoughts into the show yet. Yet.”
Episode 3: “was kinda cool, bit off track but bit of a breather after the last two episodes”
Episode 4: “introduced some interesting points for something else I’d like to see, I reckon they’re gonna bring out a whole new series”
Episode 5: “the story still happening but where’s the plot points I made up a month ago?”
Episode 6: “show completely off the rails all the things I want to happen aren’t happening. It’s almost like the show runners have something else planned”
Episode 7: “pretty spectacular episode, so much happened, how are they going to finish this off next week?”
Episode 8: “pretty disappointing final episode given the set up last week because I thought of things I wanted to see in it but it didn’t happen. Oh well. Let’s look forward to the next season where I think such and such will happen…”
After watching in one block or perhaps a year later…
“What an amazing series it’s done so much in expanding the universe and setting up what’s to come…”
Anyone else notice how Disney is infusing their classic animated films into this season? Like how Bo and Mando walked into what looked like the Mad Hatters tea party hosted by Jack Black. Lizzo was like the Queen of Hearts playing some kind of space croquet with live creatures as well, and also cheats to win. And in the previous episode, the pirate Gorian Shard had an underling ugnaut pirate that was dressed very similar to Smee, Captain Hook's underling. These homages have been very distracting and take me out of the Star Wars universe, I hope they stop.
I thought this episode was fun and it definitely highlighted a few things like the dynamic between Din and Bo. I thought Jack Black and Lizo were great. I think Din giving the Bo the Darksaber through technicality really plays well into his character. We've seen him have a sort of diplomatic role in the show. He brings the people of Free Town and the Tuskan Raiders together in season one, then in season 2 he is able build a sort of friendship with Ashoka even though he was told that Jedi and Mandolorians were sworn enemies , and brings a bunch of different people together to rescue Grogu from Moff Gideon. He's also seen her lead Mandolorians on multiple occasions and she also has the respect of the Children of the Watch so it would not be in his interest to kill her, plus this gives them what they want without having to lose good leaders before taking back Mandalore.
Best season. Elevating Katee Sackhoff to co-star was a great move and gave the series much needed direction. Loving this season
What i think they're completely ignoring the fact that Djinn litterally does not want the Dark Saber. Not a compelling fight to the death if only one person even cares about the outcome
The Mandalorian keeps getting better, every week!
The less; "Star Wars," they try making it, the further afield they go, into wilder and even wackier territory, the more it feels like Star Wars!
Even in the Clone Wars series, it was always the weird and wonderful, (a strange stop-over on Mortis, the Nightsisters on Dathomir, General Krell, in the Darkness on Umbara, and even Colonel Meebur Gascon and his; "D-Squad," etc.) that made for some of the best, most memorable arcs of storytelling in the entire saga.
Whether you're a fan of the current season of the Mandalorian or not, it's arguably impossible to deny they're still using the series to further expand the boundaries of what Star Wars can be!
And as for me? I am ALL IN for that!
Not every episode, (or even every season,) is going to be everyone's favorite, which is why it's awesome we're living through these times, when there's no end in sight for many more!
(Especially for someone who lived through the so-called; "dark times," following Return of the Jedi. When, for all we knew, any future prospects of getting any more stories told in that Galaxy would be limited to whatever fans could get Lucasfilm to approve of.
(What became the; "expanded universe.")
(Now; "Legends.")
So, it's difficult to not appreciate whatever we get, when we were for so long left to go without.
_(I'm just sayin' ✌️)_
That “dont bother” from paul at the end was expected, and satisfying😌
I liked it. There was a lot packed in to the episode and I loved the story and characters. Every episode is so unpredictable! Bryce Dallas Howard is a great director!
Din and Bo were never going to fight. Dave Filoni now gets to control his action figures and he is not going to give them up.
If you're going to do a Law and Order style ep you need multiple celebrities otherwise people would just see Christopher Lloyd and say, "Of course it's going to be Judge Doom that did it" . When you've got multiple cameos the formula works. The droid scene was great. If this is the worst episode ever then things are fine.
My only problem with the side quest was that Bo was there to make off with those privateers that the quest givers were using.
I didn't mind the distraction or the cameos themselves because we got to see something in between the Core and the Outer Rim, and several different perspectives on droids and people in the SW galaxy.
Ok, fever dream is the best description of this episode I’ve heard so far lol that’s exactly how it felt to me too
Dinjarin is getting that darksaber back don't worry. Every time the darksaber has been given away it ends terribly it will happen again.
Theory time: notice how every time before Bo held the darksaber up above her head triumphantly, but this time she held it pointed down almost like she was having the same problem Mando was having of not being able to get it up. Bo is unsure of herself, not being sure if she should lead, and definitely doesn't belive she deserves the darksaber. I think in the next 3 episodes they will face a threat possibly the mandalorians that freed Gideon, and Bo won't be able to wield the darksaber properly and mando will have to use it to save her, or more likely she will lose it to this enemy and that will be the end of season 3 and the driver of season 4.
Grogu being given knighthood by Lizo at first just seems like a silly unnecessary thing but I think it could be foreshadowing of him eventually becoming a Jedi knight despite them not knowing he is force sensitive
Worst without a doubt
It was a great episode. Sir Grogu had a good day....with no trauma, torture,or having to worry about getting shot.
It’s called world building everything doesn’t have to wrap into the main story that’s part of what gives life to these shows
I’m a huge Star Wars fan. 77 drive in. I watch every Disney+ episode at midnight. I stood in line for every midnight movie showing since 1999. I watch the tartoons even as an grown adult. Star Wars has become confusing af to me. A lifelong fan. I watch all these breakdowns on TH-cam. I’m so confused. I have no idea wtf is going on anymore. I’m not really understanding all these foxes, maps, sabers. It’s getting extremely confusing. As a lifelong fan of Star Wars, I’m not sure I understand anything dave filoni is doing anymore. It’s confusing and frustrating. I’m not having a good time following Star Wars anymore. Guardians of the galaxy and avatar are far more simple to understand. Filoni has ruined Star Wars for the original hard core Fanbase. I’m not having fun anymore.
If Moff Gideon was rumored to be in four episodes then maybe he's been hiding out among the mandalorians who can't show their faces and really has been around without anyone knowing
I Love the team-up here with unscripted(ish) discussion. I think they are trying a little hard to set up a broader ST:Mando Universe. Filoni has his green light for a motion picture and is trying to do a wide cast of the net to expand mando. This season has been good really, but in many ways a little non-sensical.
I dunno, I kinda like the fact that they aren't dragging on plotlines. These days a lot of shows just limp forward before anything important happens (looking at you walking dead). Mando came up with a loophole, so he used it. It's been clear before that he just rather get rid of it. The situation presented itself. He doesn't care. She wants it. Everybody happy. No dumb standoff between characters that need to team up later again for some more melodrama to stretch out the runtime.
I wasn’t thrilled with how the story resolved around the cameos. Lizzo banished Lloyd, and he went off repentant and willing. WTF?! How is that a real scenario? The writing was more like a 70’s sitcom than a modern show.
I think people who are confused and not enjoying certain episodes will enjoy them more once the season ends and various plot points are resolved. I thought it was a fun episode. Never heard of Lizzo before but was happy to see JB and CL.
i think this episode is a setup of din and bo's relationship in the future. ever since din got the dark saber and was told what it meant to have it he didn't think twice giving it to bo that means that since the beginning they are not going to do a din vs bo but they will have them work together. the season for me is not only a redemption for din but also for bo and the mandalorians as a race and all will pay off in the future season and mando verse movie. the setup with the romeo/juliet thing in the beginning and with jack black and lizzo might be a little silly but you have to make it fun sometimes to break up the seriousness of the other episodes. :)
I loved it. Felt like what Star Wars is supposed to be…Fun and not taking itself too seriously. There is plenty of room for the serious and the not so serious in the Galaxy. I think Mando is pretty much just about cool side quests, so I’m easy to please. Now just make Republic Commando canon and I’ll be very happy.
We get it, noone likes side-quests ...I acutally enjoyed the episode. Don't remember who mentioned it, but this whole episode was dedicated to Bo-Katan character development as well as Din's, the dynamic and the difference between the two is showcased even in the way they run avoiding civilians. Than you have the DIn's diplomacy skills evolving and so much more just subtle character development. Dave has been doing this with Clone Wars and Rebels for years .... Now if you want to go nitpicking the bad stuff, this episode just shows how no cameo can replace a poor political/business decision of firing an already developed character, Cara Dune ... perhaps the whole episode in season 3 was dedicated to further developing her character. All in all, I call this one a very well executed filler/side-quest episode ...
I'm getting tired of hearing about the dark saber and I would expect more from Ryan. Din never wanted to the dark saber. They made that very clear. Bo isn't going to challenge Din because she respects him. It's really simple and they spell it out for us pretty well.
Seeing Jack Black stand out so heavily in this episode was jus like how Will Smith stood out in Suicide Squad
I liked the episode and since I didn't know who Lizzo was, it took nothing from the episode. The only issue is that either in Mando Season 4, Ahsoka, Skeleton Crew or the Bad Batch, Filoni will have to show us a Quakta (sp) and a Stiffling side by side at some point in the future
I truly don't understand the hate this episode got. We got fun cameos, a fun buddy cop side quest, a great fight scene, an amazing perspective of how some droids feel on this planet and progressed Bo's storyline. What I especially have issue with is people giving shit to Black and Lizzo. Bigger names than the jabe appeared in SW and its such a stupid double standard that some actors can be in it with no issue but others can't. Black and Lizzo are both big fans of the franchise and did exactly what their characters were meant to.
How in the hell can people not have an issue following Pershings boring ass but yet complain about getting 4 big cameos while still progressing the story?
I saw this episode more times then the last one. For some reason it is entertaining
Yah they made a Starwars CSI episode.
If Gina Carano’s show was like this every week it would be pretty epic.
It was a good episode not the best but that doesn’t mean it’s not good. Plus the season isn’t even over. I think it’s ridiculous to say anything is bad until you finish it.
I like this season, people give this stuff a hard time for nothing!
Or because the writing is just bad? That could be another reason. 🤷🏼♂️
@@alexanderwilliams799 it’s not that bad though, the complaints are mainly the show hasn’t gone on the direction their head canon took it.
For example, at no point has a battle between Din and Bo been teased. It would go against Din’s character to fight her for the saber.
Silly complaints from people wanting to complain because conflict drives more views I guess
We remember ESB and ''Luke... I am your father'' or just OG Boba Fett being a unit. This is closer to C3pO's cereal than it is to that former greatness. StarWars has been milking that for 40 years, but Disney slaughtered the cow.
S3 is completely different bc its not just mando and grogu anymore. This season is like an opening chapter to a much larger story now. I really enjoy the show, but i dont take it too seriously like other fans.
The main problem we have is who is the ultimate villain? The pirates were pretty amateur with their conducts?
I feel like they wanted a Mando vs. Bo Katan situation but pulled back because they were afraid to have her "break bad" or be seen acting against the "perfect for toys and cosplay" Din Djarin.
I never got that feel in season 3 in season 2 maybe
People wanting them to fight gave me hound vs the mountain Cleganebowl vibes, and it really does go against both their characters. Bo knows that the reason why they were able to be taken over was because they were weakened by endless civil war. Din doesn’t want to rule and doesn’t want to fight his friends. To have them fight may have been a direction they considered but it really would go against who they are.
I think the problem is they have a larger story in mind but haven’t fully hashed out either how they will get there, or executives are putting their fingers in the pie and complicating how the story is playing out.
I thought this was a great episode. I like how they made it like a detective show.
I understand people being upset about the placement of this episode and the amount of time it took to compete this side quest. However, Star Wars has always been weird and pulpy as George designed it to be. It’s a fun episode, but this is another example as to why we should have longer seasons!
Damn Paul has such a shitty attitude about all of this. Ryan literally explains the point of the scenes Paul didn't understand the point of, then says he still doesn't understand. Feels like he's just arguing for the sake of arguing as opposed to actually trying to understand what people enjoy or got out of this episode. I think every part of it made perfect sense.