SG accomplishes in 15 minutes what other reviewers can't in hours and hours of video. Actual insight and breakdown of pros and cons, real-world perspective, and summaries of both technical and intangible aspects.
Honestly the whole piano black thing is so stupid. If you are paying a lot of money for a car, yes I would want nicer materials instead of piano black plastic. But they are so stupid about the messy/fingerprints. I’m curious how they drive, do they literally touch every surface when they drive?
@@wbae1340 I'd agree about fingerprints. I've never found that so bad. However, the dust these surfaces attract is incredible. You can wipe it off and watch the dust cover it right back up. That makes it look unsightly even if it has no fingerprints. It also does show scratches more than other finishes, though it doesn't scratch any more easily (it's quite hard).
@@silkpursuit Yeah, realistically it could be a chore, buuuut, DBrand chosen as the marque to do it because they have a special touch when it comes to instructing morons to use their stuff.
Still weird nearly 4 years of working on this platform to seeing the components in the flesh from CAD to final product. As a engineer I was eager to hear what you guys think about WL75 and eventually WL74
@@FM-xr5nj yeah I worked on the exhaust, brakes, some suspension, and a bunch of other stuff in conjunction with other engineers. Pretty much a bunch of 20 year olds packaged this thing
It's a design feature that looks "good" when new but ages your vehicle so fast. My current car has several Piano Black pieces and I ended up painting them.
I'm glad to see you guys review a normal Grand Cherokee. Including the current 2 row they really are awesome vehicles. From a 11 year Stellantis employee (yes I was hired at the beginning of the FCA merger), thank you guys. Us employees are just regular ppl trying to make a living by producing the best product we can.
i like to imagine that after they throw it to the final thoughts and the cameras are off that mark and jack sit in complete, awkward silence the entire way back.
I have high hopes for Stellantis, however all I can think about is the service manager telling me that 17 front ball joints went out and the bill will be $2275...for the third time. I really hope that in a few years I will be proven wrong and take a good look at their products. This vehicle looks good (piano black aside).
Also, fun to see some engineers who worked on the thing come out of the wordwork. Haven't seen that before. It's clear there was some passion at the table.
@@Mgoblagulkablong That's definitely one way to come out of the woodwork. Somehow not surprised Explorer brought a different flavour of engineering commentary from inside the gates. It's kind of a weird duck.
I recently became a salesperson at a great CJDR store and I gotta say, the L really sold me on the brand's direction and I've got lots of hope for future products
This thing is a no-brainer over an Explorer Platinum, if you go for a slightly lower trim level to get the price down to $60K. This interior, even with the terrible piano black, is about three classes above the Explorer Platinum’s laughably low-rent $30K interior.
@@christopherjohnson3614 no, this is way smaller and not a body-on-frame truck-based SUV. That would be the new Wagoneer that competes with those since it is based on the Ram 1500 platform.
I had a Pacifica rental that I spent a lot of time sitting idling in. The piano black drove me nuts. I used my eyeglass cleaner wipes daily on all of it to appease me OCD.
8:00 Sweet, now instead of "turn around, don't drown" it's "keep going, it's almost closing time at the shopping center and I've got a new handbag to buy."
I have NEVER had a bad Jeep , and I have had 3. This is damned impressive. Good on them. Always preferred U-connect , as it always was easy to operate , and just worked.
Sequoia is always forgotten. Maybe it deserves it. But it also seems to represent what watchers of this channel like... A vehicle coming off the assembly line today, that feels like you're back in 2005. And an awesome V8 to boot.
@@anAmishGuy indeed. But it doesn't explain it being forgotten the last 12 years this generation existed, lol. New sequoia could be good, could be bad. If it checks the right boxes, I'll buy a second for myself (current is wife's).
Definitely an improvement over the previous Grand Cherokee, but good grief.. the piano gloss black plastic is excessive and lowers the quality of everything else that’s so good about the interior. SavageGeese’s reviews never cease to impress. Both Jack and Mark are the perfect duo for these car reviews. Not to beat a dead horse.. but any plans to do a fully in depth review on the new Suburban since y’all reviewed the new Tahoe and Escalade? I remember Jack saying they’re getting one to review in the future, maybe 2022 MY?
@@markmiller3279 thank you. and with the cost of new cars these days, that can mean min $120k to close to $1000k revenue from each person becoming a repeat-buyer.
Your reviews stooped me from looking at Volvo XC90 and I think you just sold me on Jeep Grand Cherokee. I have owned a Wrangler for 3 years and love it. So it sound like the Grand Cherokee is just what I need next with grandkids and all.
I’ve been watching car reviews for years. Came across you guys and now I can never go back. Fantastic reviews! Straight to the point with facts and great footage. I’m a fan!
Definitely seems like a good product. I have to see it in person because I'm not in love with the exterior looks. Sad to see SRT go. A quality product like this with an SRT engine and 400+ HP would be fun as hell in the non L variant.
@@hellkitty1014 Q7 Premium Plus is 65k and it's build quality inside and out is outstanding and it's only a tiny bit shorter than this. There's just no way to justify the jeeps price imo.
Thnks for reviewing this, My wife and I looked at these. We’re “Jeep people” but neither of us felt like this represents Jeep’s brand. Neither one of us found 55k of appeal, and the Piano Black was a hard no for every reason you mentioned.
I agree, this has no place as a Jeep. It was a poor decision by FCA at the time to wrap all their American SUVs under one brand. Jeep has a brand image that this simply doesn't represent. Eight similar vehicles under one brand and half of them don't sell well. Realistically this should have been a Chrysler that will soon be down to one vehicle. It does make sense globally as Jeep has more of a presence than Chrysler, but this is a vehicle for the North American market.
What dude? This is literally the best decision they have made. Do you know how many people have been waiting for a 3 row Jeep? A LOT! It is one of the hottest markets right now. Chill a bit, they still make the Wrangler for the “hardcore” enthusiasts. Plus all of their other models are still the most capable in their class. Jeep is going to sell a shit ton of the new L and 5 passenger variant. I’d say 99% of people buying these cars don’t even take it on a dirt road let alone offroad.
I think this is very much a Jeep, and critical to the future of the brand. It has more off road/soft road ability than any of its direct competitors and exactly the same sort of drivetrain that screams "American". The piano black was a bad decision, but that's just a rather feeble attempt to make the generally nice interior look fancier. At these prices, this is starting to compete with base models of luxury brands, and "fancy" was their attempt to be competitive.
Jeep should be paying you guys royalties. I recently purchased a 22 altitude. I am a cheap ass so I didn’t spring for the V8 or massaging seats or other high trim stuff, but I really do like this vehicle. Seeing your review of it encouraged me to give it a closer look. Hoping it stays reliable because I really want to have a long term relationship!
Wow, never heard you guys talk about Stellantis this way. They actually built a decent car! Sounds like you want to get invited to their events again, correct?
If I bought one, the first thing I would do is wrap all that shiny plastic in a matte finish. Then I would have the windows tinted, get the whole vehicle ceramic coated, and clear wrap the front end and mirrors.
There is an old saying: "If you can afford the whiskey, you can afford the ice", wich means that anyone who can buy a 60k+ car is not worried about fuel economy.
It's not nearly as fancy as this thing, but that is why I love my 2019 Toyota Sequoia Platinum. 3 row, V8, 4WD, air ride, electronically adjustable dampers, and comfy seats. Yes it drives like a truck and drinks gas like a truck... but it tows great and magnuson makes a supercharger so once I'm out of my power train warranty I'll have myself a family hauler that can really move.
Yes and no. I drive a 2013 Land Cruiser, which has similarly horrific fuel economy. My overall average is 14.5 mpg. I get around 18 mpg on the highway. Back when I was driving 15k per year (pre-pandemic), I could easily afford the fuel cost at $3/gal. I could still afford it at $4/gal. That said, I would still prefer to get better fuel economy, if only to have increased range.
I'm impressed. Its not expensive as a Tahoe and not as Tiny as an Acadia. It is a great middle ground. Will be test driving this some time soon. Thanks Savage. I usually buy Toyota but Ill give this thing a shot.
I just bought one of these, such an incredible vehicle. I fell in love with the front end, and the interior is amazing. Obviously it's a Jeep, so I hope it doesn't fall apart after 5 years.
@@jackprick9797 I didn't, I just wanted a Jeep and I really liked the redesign. Numbers wise this fit my needs, I plan on buying a 4000 lbs trailer, and the Jeep is rated for 6200 with the tow package. I didn't want the v8 Jeep because of the poor fuel economy, plus gas prices that keep going up. The v6 is amazing on gas. I'm averging 6L per 100km.
Looks like a great product! I really hope it wins for Chrysler they could really use it in my opinion. Most people still see that company as building nothing but trash, but I have a soft spot for Chrysler as they used to make some really interesting and great cars. I guess they still do, just not that many. Thanks for sharing!
With the experience of having my Grand Cherokee V8 engine seize up hours away from home, in winter, I'm certain the Jeep "Quality" here will ultimately live up to my expectations...
I drove a grand Cherokee overland 4x4 with V8 today. I enjoyed the soundtrack of the V8 and the McIntosh sound system playing the Top Gun theme song. This will be my next vehicle for sure. No other offering can I get a v8, off-road capability, good Soundsystem with aux input at this price point!
Looks great and looks like it’s superior in its class from this video. Keep us always had a way of maintaining its soul in most of their products . This looks like not exception. I just can get past the horror stories on reliability I hear. I hope this is an exception and competes like it should
I’m glad this Grand Cherokee can tow over 6,000lbs because there isn’t much, if anything, outside of a truck, that can. I’d rather own an SUV than a truck because of all the spaces being enclosed, and I’ll need something that can tow my toy hauler and RZR. Gas mileage isn’t the best, but neither is the gas mileage in anything that goes, so that’s not an issue for me. With the shorter wheelbase than a truck, I’ll be able to tow and off-road in smaller spaces, so this is a win in my book for the Grand Cherokee.
Have been reading owner forums for people that already bought this GCL within the last month. There are tons of problems with it already, all kinds of electrical gremlins, warning lights coming on, CarPlay not working at all, friction/binding when turning the steering wheel, oil leaking, dead batteries, etc. And it's multiple people with the exact same issues, so they aren't just isolated incidents for a single owner. Kind of disturbing, but not surprising for a new Stellantis model. I bought a first model year Ram 1500 and Chrysler Pacifica and they both were/are the least reliable most problematic vehicles I have ever owned, just absolutely awful.
Couldn't agree more. Never owned a Jeep or any FCA product. I was about to order an Overland with the V8 but like you mentioned just reading the GCL Forums is enough to make you run away! I know it's probably only a small percentage of buyers but it doesn't inspire confidence to drop 67k on it!! The 3 year warranty doesn't help either. I think I'll have to pass. It's a shame, there's a lot to like but I suspect it's just not up to par with Japanese or Korean (now) built vehicles. My 2012 Mazda CX-5 has 88,000 miles, not a single issue since the day I purchased it not even a squeak or rattle! Yes it's getting old, is under powered and pretty much useless off-road but it's ready to go every day without a problem and at the end of the day it doesn't matter how cool, rugged and capable a vehicle is if it's in the shop every second week at least for me personally! I think I'll check out the Telluride again!
Then start reading Toyota forums, or 4runner forums, F150 forums, they all gather because they have problems, it's unrealistic in life i see around me to see other makers differently
When I first saw this announced I was honestly worried this was just a rebadged Durango after all these years. Glad to see it's a ground up new platform.
I'm Spanish and proud ownwer of a third gen GC. I'm happy to see that Jeep still is faithful to his legacy and it's able to market such a good all round car if you forget the city (that's what are GC imho). Unfortunately seems this will be my last Jeep (had a Cherokee too) as European regulations condenm us to drive electric and small cars wich could be also defined as home appliances...
Nice to see they are finally putting good all terrain tires on from the factory, when I bought my last Grand Cherokee they came with all seasons which is a joke because I don’t think you should have to spend $1000+ to get new tires on a brand new vehicle.
Impressed, but everyone, every manufacturer, STOP WITH THE PIANO BlACK PLASTIC. It sucks, it never really looks good even new. Just a few miles in and it looks like trash. Please, we have been begging for years, use something else.
Sounds to me like you like the piano black so we'll do more of it - auto manufacturers. They must have seen a review of their cars over the last 3 years and know we hate the piano black. Zero fucks... They double down again
I haven't found it has aged badly in our car, but it was a dust magnet from the start, which makes it unsightly. I'd be much happier with something else.
Savagegeese approved. Jeep did a wonderful job on the Grand Cherokee L. I like the Altitude 4X4, blacked out with black wheels, tow package, finishing package. $45,755
When you don't pump in the engine noise via the speakers, you can actually hear just how great this naturally-aspirated V8 engine sounds in a "sleepy" soccer mom truck. Mechanical, refined, smooth. Awesome, bravo to Jeep/Stellantis
i used to hate on 3 row SUVs so hard. But man, I love my Q7. One of the best handling 3 rows out there. the supercharged V6 is a underrated powerplant for that thing. It eats up highways and I can still enjoy it on sweeping curves and on ramps.
Flys are standard equipment nowadays, except on european vehciles, they charge extra for everything, the fly costs 500 bucks and is mandatory if you also want heated seats.
12:16 - Jack's life flashed before his eyes but held his line and finished his thought...what a pro! 9:09 - I blinked at the glare coming off the gloss above the radio center stack...when will the industry learn to stop with all these reflective glossy interior pieces? Great work as always, look forward to your stuff every week.
The plastichrome in my wife's minivan blinds me every time I drive it on a sunny day. No matter where the sun is, it always finds a way to get to mu retinas.
I am disappointed. I was initially excited, but also hoping this wasn’t going to be an average stereo with a McIntosh badge (although was in the back of my mind when I saw in a Jeep.) This something I wasn’t expecting to ever see this company do. It might be helping their bottom line as a company to continue to put out the kind of Hifi products that they have for so long (just speculating.) I was hoping for something much better like the Volvo B&W systems etc.
@@cfclogan74 Agreed. It sounds like they kinda tuned it to be similar to the Harmon Kardon system in the older non-L Jeep Grand Cherokee. A decent system, but a bit drowned out by the bass. I'm guessing they reserved the better tuned McIntosh system for the Grand Wagoneer
As always, thorough and well enjoyed/appreciated video 👍🏻 I hate to do this this, but the pan across the front view of the vehicle (Seats down, pan of the dash and center cluster from front to middle, approx 3:49 into the video, lower portion of the screen view)…… nice touch 👌🏻🤣
Here I am in Brazil watching a video of a car we wouldn’t get, but I subscribed to savagegeese and now we’ve reached 1st world status and world leadership in soy production
I love Savagegeese. I was surprised they were not invited to the launch event with so much genuine praise and engineering focus they bestowed upon Stellantis in the review. PR folks like reviewers who will only say good things and give you a run of features so lame -like Redline, TFL car etc. Good reviewers get sidelined. Keep up the good job you two savages :). Cheers I love American quality products if they can put in some better plugin (50+ miles range) and EV drivetrains with range in excess of 250miles I would buy it and am actually waiting for the announcement.
My concern about any Jeep is always reliability. I hope the new Grand Cherokee L will prove over time to be reliable, but I certainly won’t buy one the first year or two.
the most problems people had with the last gen were electrical. fca cars are mechanically sound, they just had electrical problems the past 10 years or so. The pentastars are workhorse engines and hemis aren’t horrible either, can easily get 200,000 miles on both engines if tried
@@Alex-pn5bk But electrical problems are some of the worst to track down and resolve. The fact is that Jeep has had a poor track record for reliability. I hope they will improve that but only time will tell. It doesn’t matter how nice a dealership waiting room is - the nicest dealership waiting room is one that I almost never have to visit.
@@M1911jln They may end up benefitting from the "dodge effect" where the vehicles get considerably more reliable over time during production, but seeing how this is a new platform that may not happen for a few years. It better fucking be reliable though, otherwise why have the fuel-hungry V8? This thing gets horrendous fuel economy, and while 12mpg may not be enough of a downside for car reviewers, it's not something we should let manufacturers get away with, specifically on non-high performance cars. That type of fuel economy is not only wasteful, but expensive to the point where it may end up costing the same to own as a German luxury car with more expensive maintenance and better fuel economy. My family recently rented an Audi Q7 with the 3.0T and it had no trouble getting up and going, the Q7 is already considered one of the least efficient SUVs in the segment compared to it's German rivals and yet we still averaged over 20mpg hammering it everywhere while fully loaded with 4 big people and our luggage. It can also tow more, is very capable off-road, and starts in a similar price range.
@@CrazyWeeMonkey I agreed with you on everything you said, right up until you said the Q7 is capable off-road. It isn’t. It has terrible angles and no lo range.
This is still an FCA product, it was developed by FCA but got released under Stellantis. This is pure Fiat Chrysler. Maybe in 10 years we’ll see a full rollout of Stellantis’ products. Kudos to FCA for making a decent product
I'm sick of watching Jeep Grand Cherokee L reviews it's like a ton of them out on you tube and I have had enough...o wait Savagegeese just posted on the New Jeep Grand Cherokee L, I have 2 watch this.
Seems pretty solid, would like at production year 2 or 3 for the wrinkles to get ironed out (and lose the piano black) if I were interested in this segment. Another great vid my dudes.
As a Jeep fan, I agree in full with this review. People often mention the price of these, but never mention what you get for the price. The chassis/suspension is not made of cheap steel or cast components. You're getting real 4WD, 7200lbs of towing, and a pretty decent interior environment. Speaking of, I have no clue why Jeep put so much piano black inside, which is my only concern. But the Summit Reserve addresses many of the other plastic bits and costs about the same as this Overland.($67k).
@@Juan-gt7ro indeed it does. Very premium environment. It is the attention to detail that Jeep put into it, like the quilted Palermo leather in all 3 rows, in addition to covering most plastic surfaces in the leather. The headliner is also Alcantara as well.
I still crack up with complaints about piano black plastic, and people distracted by their Cell phones... But at the same time, we need to have touchscreens in car, COVERED in ugly smudges, and distracting from the road!!.🤦... It's nice to hear this new model has a decent complement of classic buttons and knobs, which can be toggled without a glance. Without covering vast swaths of your interior with ugly, greasy finger smudges. . Handsome too, great and savage vid.
Piano black plastics look good in press photos to people who don't think two steps ahead. If there was ever a case for the irony of our age, I think about people associating "the future" with a lack of foresight.
I would like to thank Jeep for putting my parents into a Toyota. 1996 Grand Cherokee so many problems, master cylinder, catalytic converter, every light going off, all under 30k. Dad finally got rid of it and grudgingly bought an Avalon. The rest is history, been Toyota ever since. What a world of difference.
Since the V-8 is available as an option only in the top 2 trim levels, it’s too bad Stellantis didn’t give you a tester with the base V-6. Generally that engine gets a little raucous when you work it hard; and with this much weight to move, it may be working hard a lot. The only V-6 I’ve heard that has an appealing engine sound is the 3 liter Yamaha in the first and second generation Taurus SHO. It had a menacing snarl that came on at 4,000 rpm and just got more intense from there.
Debatable how much of this is American considering Stellantis is a "Dutch domiciled" multinational corporation formed by the merger of a French investment firm (PSA) and Fiat. I forget how much manufacturing has to be done in the USA for something to be considered American made these days, but last I heard it was 60%. So, fudging the numbers around, there's really no telling.
SG accomplishes in 15 minutes what other reviewers can't in hours and hours of video. Actual insight and breakdown of pros and cons, real-world perspective, and summaries of both technical and intangible aspects.
I love that they are one of the few that actually put press cars on a lift and explain the suspension and undercarriage.
It’s because they’re savages lol
Yes they do this well. (:
@@Bobbybeb Indeed. That's always a highlight.
That fly ruining the shot is the perfect metaphor for piano black plastic in an “upscale” or “luxury” interior.
Honestly the whole piano black thing is so stupid. If you are paying a lot of money for a car, yes I would want nicer materials instead of piano black plastic. But they are so stupid about the messy/fingerprints. I’m curious how they drive, do they literally touch every surface when they drive?
@@wbae1340 I'd agree about fingerprints. I've never found that so bad. However, the dust these surfaces attract is incredible. You can wipe it off and watch the dust cover it right back up. That makes it look unsightly even if it has no fingerprints. It also does show scratches more than other finishes, though it doesn't scratch any more easily (it's quite hard).
@@markmiller3279 all great points, completely agree!
I feel like DBrand would make mad bank with precut automotive skins designed to wrap over piano black.
Bet
Actually a pretty good idea, feel like application would be a bit harder for the average joe.
@@silkpursuit Yeah, realistically it could be a chore, buuuut, DBrand chosen as the marque to do it because they have a special touch when it comes to instructing morons to use their stuff.
I'd buy it. I have their stuff on my phone, xps and precision. Extremely high quality
I wouldn't wanna install the skin myself tho
Still weird nearly 4 years of working on this platform to seeing the components in the flesh from CAD to final product. As a engineer I was eager to hear what you guys think about WL75 and eventually WL74
My best friend was the electrical engineer that worked on this. You may even know him lol
@@FM-xr5nj yeah I worked on the exhaust, brakes, some suspension, and a bunch of other stuff in conjunction with other engineers. Pretty much a bunch of 20 year olds packaged this thing
@@Greekphysique22 That is quite young tbh. Must have had a good leader running the show.
@@Greekphysique22 Thats downright awesome. You guys did a great job.
Congrats man...you should be proud of what you've accomplished here
Thank you for constantly speaking up against Piano Black. I cannot agree with you more on this one! Its a shortcut every auto designer takes.
The stuff gives pianos a bad name -- can't stand it!
It's a design feature that looks "good" when new but ages your vehicle so fast.
My current car has several Piano Black pieces and I ended up painting them.
The only thing worse than shiny black plastic in the interior is shiny black plastic on the exterior that gets scratched and faded in 6 months.
@@zzanatos2001 Ya, that's idiotic
I wonder if you dare to rough it up with fine steel wool.
I'm glad to see you guys review a normal Grand Cherokee. Including the current 2 row they really are awesome vehicles. From a 11 year Stellantis employee (yes I was hired at the beginning of the FCA merger), thank you guys. Us employees are just regular ppl trying to make a living by producing the best product we can.
i like to imagine that after they throw it to the final thoughts and the cameras are off that mark and jack sit in complete, awkward silence the entire way back.
I have high hopes for Stellantis, however all I can think about is the service manager telling me that 17 front ball joints went out and the bill will be $2275...for the third time. I really hope that in a few years I will be proven wrong and take a good look at their products. This vehicle looks good (piano black aside).
Also, fun to see some engineers who worked on the thing come out of the wordwork. Haven't seen that before. It's clear there was some passion at the table.
There were also some at the Ford Explorer video, they wrote a lot about how many things are going wrong at Ford and about how the management fails.
@@Mgoblagulkablong That's definitely one way to come out of the woodwork. Somehow not surprised Explorer brought a different flavour of engineering commentary from inside the gates. It's kind of a weird duck.
Come on, the fly loves the piano black.
You know how concept cars have elements that are never going to make it to the market? Piano black should be that.
I recently became a salesperson at a great CJDR store and I gotta say, the L really sold me on the brand's direction and I've got lots of hope for future products
You had me at “physical controls”.
They lost me at piano black.
Lol
This thing is a no-brainer over an Explorer Platinum, if you go for a slightly lower trim level to get the price down to $60K. This interior, even with the terrible piano black, is about three classes above the Explorer Platinum’s laughably low-rent $30K interior.
Can confirm. Was a ford guy until my explorer platinum. Embarrassed i owned that vehicle for 2 years
Isn't this more in line with the Expedition and Tahoe/Suburban?
@@christopherjohnson3614 yes. The explorer doesn’t have a proper 3rd row.
@@christopherjohnson3614 I would say no, actually. That's what the Wagoneer is for, and it's nearly the exact same size as a Tahoe.
@@christopherjohnson3614 no, this is way smaller and not a body-on-frame truck-based SUV. That would be the new Wagoneer that competes with those since it is based on the Ram 1500 platform.
I had a Pacifica rental that I spent a lot of time sitting idling in. The piano black drove me nuts. I used my eyeglass cleaner wipes daily on all of it to appease me OCD.
8:00 Sweet, now instead of "turn around, don't drown" it's "keep going, it's almost closing time at the shopping center and I've got a new handbag to buy."
I have NEVER had a bad Jeep , and I have had 3. This is damned impressive. Good on them.
Always preferred U-connect , as it always was easy to operate , and just worked.
I'm here just to feed the algorithm this time. I am not interested in a v8 grocery shopper but I would buy a Jack the Singaporean body pillow
Jeff Goldblum's cameo at 1:16 was a nice addition to the video
underrated comment
The Explorer team needs to take a good long look at this Jeep, then a good long look in the mirror, and do some soul searching.
This was the only review of the new Jeep Grand Cherokee L that I was waiting for. Good review!
Sequoia is always forgotten. Maybe it deserves it. But it also seems to represent what watchers of this channel like... A vehicle coming off the assembly line today, that feels like you're back in 2005. And an awesome V8 to boot.
It's also forgotten because it's on its way out soon. We'll probably get a new one along with the new Tundra next year.
the Sequoia is the single most outdated vehicle on sale rn
@@anAmishGuy indeed. But it doesn't explain it being forgotten the last 12 years this generation existed, lol. New sequoia could be good, could be bad. If it checks the right boxes, I'll buy a second for myself (current is wife's).
@@TimPaddy it's old and reliable. That's the only advantage it has over the competition
Yep! Love mine.
Definitely an improvement over the previous Grand Cherokee, but good grief.. the piano gloss black plastic is excessive and lowers the quality of everything else that’s so good about the interior.
SavageGeese’s reviews never cease to impress. Both Jack and Mark are the perfect duo for these car reviews. Not to beat a dead horse.. but any plans to do a fully in depth review on the new Suburban since y’all reviewed the new Tahoe and Escalade? I remember Jack saying they’re getting one to review in the future, maybe 2022 MY?
If the piano black looks good when new, and sells vehicles, the makers don't care about what happens on day 2.
@@robdc4829 They should. Repeat sales matter.
@@markmiller3279 thank you. and with the cost of new cars these days, that can mean min $120k to close to $1000k revenue from each person becoming a repeat-buyer.
Your reviews stooped me from looking at Volvo XC90 and I think you just sold me on Jeep Grand Cherokee. I have owned a Wrangler for 3 years and love it. So it sound like the Grand Cherokee is just what I need next with grandkids and all.
I’ve been watching car reviews for years. Came across you guys and now I can never go back. Fantastic reviews! Straight to the point with facts and great footage. I’m a fan!
Definitely seems like a good product. I have to see it in person because I'm not in love with the exterior looks. Sad to see SRT go. A quality product like this with an SRT engine and 400+ HP would be fun as hell in the non L variant.
SRT isn't going anywhere, despite reports. Stellantis is actually increasing their budget.
You think this is good at $67k? I can get as Q7 for this price. Ridiculous.
@@pnourani a base Q7, sure. And this is larger and more capable than a Q7.
@@hellkitty1014 Q7 Premium Plus is 65k and it's build quality inside and out is outstanding and it's only a tiny bit shorter than this. There's just no way to justify the jeeps price imo.
@@pnourani apples and oranges dude
Thnks for reviewing this, My wife and I looked at these. We’re “Jeep people” but neither of us felt like this represents Jeep’s brand. Neither one of us found 55k of appeal, and the Piano Black was a hard no for every reason you mentioned.
I agree, this has no place as a Jeep. It was a poor decision by FCA at the time to wrap all their American SUVs under one brand. Jeep has a brand image that this simply doesn't represent. Eight similar vehicles under one brand and half of them don't sell well. Realistically this should have been a Chrysler that will soon be down to one vehicle. It does make sense globally as Jeep has more of a presence than Chrysler, but this is a vehicle for the North American market.
What dude? This is literally the best decision they have made. Do you know how many people have been waiting for a 3 row Jeep? A LOT! It is one of the hottest markets right now. Chill a bit, they still make the Wrangler for the “hardcore” enthusiasts. Plus all of their other models are still the most capable in their class. Jeep is going to sell a shit ton of the new L and 5 passenger variant. I’d say 99% of people buying these cars don’t even take it on a dirt road let alone offroad.
I think this is very much a Jeep, and critical to the future of the brand. It has more off road/soft road ability than any of its direct competitors and exactly the same sort of drivetrain that screams "American". The piano black was a bad decision, but that's just a rather feeble attempt to make the generally nice interior look fancier. At these prices, this is starting to compete with base models of luxury brands, and "fancy" was their attempt to be competitive.
This boat deserved the warbling sea shanty intro. Music selection always on point.
Jeep should be paying you guys royalties. I recently purchased a 22 altitude. I am a cheap ass so I didn’t spring for the V8 or massaging seats or other high trim stuff, but I really do like this vehicle. Seeing your review of it encouraged me to give it a closer look. Hoping it stays reliable because I really want to have a long term relationship!
After I subscribed to savagegeese, the IRS stopped chasing me even after I evaded taxes. Thanks guys
12:36 I wanna see the full uncut footage from that spin out still
Im not a Jeep guy. Im not an SUV guy but im excited for this and the G Wagoneer. Well done Jeep.
Wow, never heard you guys talk about Stellantis this way. They actually built a decent car! Sounds like you want to get invited to their events again, correct?
Lol
PSA always made great cars, just as good as japanese cars.
@@dragospahontu The Chrysler 200 and Dodge Durango would like a word.
@@faeinthebay those are FCA, Stellantis is PSA. FCA is now Stellantis who's is PSA.
@@dragospahontu Still. PSA as good as japanese cars?? Erm, -emphatic- NO.
If I bought one, the first thing I would do is wrap all that shiny plastic in a matte finish. Then I would have the windows tinted, get the whole vehicle ceramic coated, and clear wrap the front end and mirrors.
There is an old saying: "If you can afford the whiskey, you can afford the ice", wich means that anyone who can buy a 60k+ car is not worried about fuel economy.
Exactly. I want a v8, not a turbo four.
With me it's: I can afford the ice but the whiskey seems outta ducking reach
As someone who can afford a 60k+ car, that's not true
It's not nearly as fancy as this thing, but that is why I love my 2019 Toyota Sequoia Platinum. 3 row, V8, 4WD, air ride, electronically adjustable dampers, and comfy seats. Yes it drives like a truck and drinks gas like a truck... but it tows great and magnuson makes a supercharger so once I'm out of my power train warranty I'll have myself a family hauler that can really move.
Yes and no. I drive a 2013 Land Cruiser, which has similarly horrific fuel economy. My overall average is 14.5 mpg. I get around 18 mpg on the highway. Back when I was driving 15k per year (pre-pandemic), I could easily afford the fuel cost at $3/gal. I could still afford it at $4/gal.
That said, I would still prefer to get better fuel economy, if only to have increased range.
The Grand Cherokee has had a really nice interior since atleast 2014 with the refresh of the wk2
Clicked "like" for the intro music before the review actually starts. Good job, guys.
I'm impressed. Its not expensive as a Tahoe and not as Tiny as an Acadia. It is a great middle ground. Will be test driving this some time soon. Thanks Savage. I usually buy Toyota but Ill give this thing a shot.
I just bought one of these, such an incredible vehicle. I fell in love with the front end, and the interior is amazing. Obviously it's a Jeep, so I hope it doesn't fall apart after 5 years.
Congrats on the Jeep. Did you cross shop the Durango? If so, what swayed you to this? I am considering this vs the SRT Durango with the 6.4 hemi.
@@jackprick9797 I didn't, I just wanted a Jeep and I really liked the redesign. Numbers wise this fit my needs, I plan on buying a 4000 lbs trailer, and the Jeep is rated for 6200 with the tow package. I didn't want the v8 Jeep because of the poor fuel economy, plus gas prices that keep going up. The v6 is amazing on gas. I'm averging 6L per 100km.
Totally different animal than Durango. L is leaps ahead.
@@gdoubleg8312 Sure, the Jeep is a new platform and has amenities and luxury not found in the Durango, but the 6.4 Durango has some serious tow chops.
Looks like a great product! I really hope it wins for Chrysler they could really use it in my opinion. Most people still see that company as building nothing but trash, but I have a soft spot for Chrysler as they used to make some really interesting and great cars. I guess they still do, just not that many. Thanks for sharing!
With the experience of having my Grand Cherokee V8 engine seize up hours away from home, in winter, I'm certain the Jeep "Quality" here will ultimately live up to my expectations...
I drove a grand Cherokee overland 4x4 with V8 today. I enjoyed the soundtrack of the V8 and the McIntosh sound system playing the Top Gun theme song.
This will be my next vehicle for sure. No other offering can I get a v8, off-road capability, good Soundsystem with aux input at this price point!
It’s the best the Durango has looked, nice work!
You guys are the BEST car reviewers on youtube in my opinion
Gentlemen, Always a like and a comment for your work!
Still driving my ‘11 Grand Cherokee and it’s been a great vehicle.
Looks great and looks like it’s superior in its class from this video. Keep us always had a way of maintaining its soul in most of their products . This looks like not exception. I just can get past the horror stories on reliability I hear. I hope this is an exception and competes like it should
I’m glad this Grand Cherokee can tow over 6,000lbs because there isn’t much, if anything, outside of a truck, that can. I’d rather own an SUV than a truck because of all the spaces being enclosed, and I’ll need something that can tow my toy hauler and RZR. Gas mileage isn’t the best, but neither is the gas mileage in anything that goes, so that’s not an issue for me. With the shorter wheelbase than a truck, I’ll be able to tow and off-road in smaller spaces, so this is a win in my book for the Grand Cherokee.
Valid points, although I believe a sequoia would be a better long term choice. Better reliability, resale and performance
Best channel ever! Educational AND entertaining 😍
Have been reading owner forums for people that already bought this GCL within the last month. There are tons of problems with it already, all kinds of electrical gremlins, warning lights coming on, CarPlay not working at all, friction/binding when turning the steering wheel, oil leaking, dead batteries, etc. And it's multiple people with the exact same issues, so they aren't just isolated incidents for a single owner. Kind of disturbing, but not surprising for a new Stellantis model. I bought a first model year Ram 1500 and Chrysler Pacifica and they both were/are the least reliable most problematic vehicles I have ever owned, just absolutely awful.
Not a vehicle to own out of warranty..
That is exactly my concern with a new Stellantis product.
complainers tend to get what they deserve
Couldn't agree more. Never owned a Jeep or any FCA product. I was about to order an Overland with the V8 but like you mentioned just reading the GCL Forums is enough to make you run away! I know it's probably only a small percentage of buyers but it doesn't inspire confidence to drop 67k on it!! The 3 year warranty doesn't help either. I think I'll have to pass. It's a shame, there's a lot to like but I suspect it's just not up to par with Japanese or Korean (now) built vehicles. My 2012 Mazda CX-5 has 88,000 miles, not a single issue since the day I purchased it not even a squeak or rattle! Yes it's getting old, is under powered and pretty much useless off-road but it's ready to go every day without a problem and at the end of the day it doesn't matter how cool, rugged and capable a vehicle is if it's in the shop every second week at least for me personally! I think I'll check out the Telluride again!
Then start reading Toyota forums, or 4runner forums, F150 forums, they all gather because they have problems, it's unrealistic in life i see around me to see other makers differently
The good thing that Jeep didn't screw up the powertrain like the new Ford SUVs. Thanks for your review 👍
When I first saw this announced I was honestly worried this was just a rebadged Durango after all these years. Glad to see it's a ground up new platform.
I'm Spanish and proud ownwer of a third gen GC. I'm happy to see that Jeep still is faithful to his legacy and it's able to market such a good all round car if you forget the city (that's what are GC imho). Unfortunately seems this will be my last Jeep (had a Cherokee too) as European regulations condenm us to drive electric and small cars wich could be also defined as home appliances...
I just saw it in person, it’s actually pretty big. I wish they made the 2 row version already
Nice to see they are finally putting good all terrain tires on from the factory, when I bought my last Grand Cherokee they came with all seasons which is a joke because I don’t think you should have to spend $1000+ to get new tires on a brand new vehicle.
Good to see this is upgraded. My buddy had a Jeep Grand Cherokee and it was garbage. I hope this will be a good vehicle for him to upgrade too. 😉
Piano black also attracts flies!
Flies like shit.
Impressed, but everyone, every manufacturer, STOP WITH THE PIANO BlACK PLASTIC. It sucks, it never really looks good even new. Just a few miles in and it looks like trash. Please, we have been begging for years, use something else.
Sounds to me like you like the piano black so we'll do more of it - auto manufacturers.
They must have seen a review of their cars over the last 3 years and know we hate the piano black. Zero fucks... They double down again
I haven't found it has aged badly in our car, but it was a dust magnet from the start, which makes it unsightly. I'd be much happier with something else.
Did you see the new Genesis has piano black on the OUTSIDE of the vehicle? These designers are INSANE!
Savagegeese approved. Jeep did a wonderful job on the Grand Cherokee L. I like the Altitude 4X4, blacked out with black wheels, tow package, finishing package. $45,755
I love the looks of this car. I'm a sucker for most dodge/jeep/SRT products.
but it's a tough pill to swallow when I love the lexus GX platform
When you don't pump in the engine noise via the speakers, you can actually hear just how great this naturally-aspirated V8 engine sounds in a "sleepy" soccer mom truck. Mechanical, refined, smooth. Awesome, bravo to Jeep/Stellantis
i used to hate on 3 row SUVs so hard. But man, I love my Q7. One of the best handling 3 rows out there. the supercharged V6 is a underrated powerplant for that thing. It eats up highways and I can still enjoy it on sweeping curves and on ramps.
Does it have the All-wheel steering?
@@DanDan-tt6gv they do come with it as an option. Mine doesn't have it.
Does that fly at 1:20 come as standard or is it an optional extra?
Flys are standard equipment nowadays, except on european vehciles, they charge extra for everything, the fly costs 500 bucks and is mandatory if you also want heated seats.
Brand new car and the bumpers look like theyre a different shade than the body. Well done as always Jeep.
Jeep's trying to make competitive vehicles, I never thought I'd see the day.
Competitive to what?
Honda Pilot, VW Atlas, Kia Telluride, etc.
12:16 - Jack's life flashed before his eyes but held his line and finished his thought...what a pro!
9:09 - I blinked at the glare coming off the gloss above the radio center stack...when will the industry learn to stop with all these reflective glossy interior pieces?
Great work as always, look forward to your stuff every week.
The plastichrome in my wife's minivan blinds me every time I drive it on a sunny day. No matter where the sun is, it always finds a way to get to mu retinas.
Thanks for adding the info on the new McIntosh sound system, since that is especially what I'm interested in for this vehicle.
I am disappointed. I was initially excited, but also hoping this wasn’t going to be an average stereo with a McIntosh badge (although was in the back of my mind when I saw in a Jeep.) This something I wasn’t expecting to ever see this company do. It might be helping their bottom line as a company to continue to put out the kind of Hifi products that they have for so long (just speculating.) I was hoping for something much better like the Volvo B&W systems etc.
@@cfclogan74 Agreed. It sounds like they kinda tuned it to be similar to the Harmon Kardon system in the older non-L Jeep Grand Cherokee. A decent system, but a bit drowned out by the bass. I'm guessing they reserved the better tuned McIntosh system for the Grand Wagoneer
As always, thorough and well enjoyed/appreciated video 👍🏻 I hate to do this this, but the pan across the front view of the vehicle (Seats down, pan of the dash and center cluster from front to middle, approx 3:49 into the video, lower portion of the screen view)…… nice touch 👌🏻🤣
If you are looking, the intro song is: Luella Gren - The Forgotten Memories.
Here is the music video: th-cam.com/video/Uf3ouaeB6UQ/w-d-xo.html
And here an instrumental: th-cam.com/video/63qtYi1nwcs/w-d-xo.html
Here I am in Brazil watching a video of a car we wouldn’t get, but I subscribed to savagegeese and now we’ve reached 1st world status and world leadership in soy production
Soy levels are off the roof
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@@ramk2443 (through... through the roof)
I love Savagegeese. I was surprised they were not invited to the launch event with so much genuine praise and engineering focus they bestowed upon Stellantis in the review.
PR folks like reviewers who will only say good things and give you a run of features so lame -like Redline, TFL car etc.
Good reviewers get sidelined. Keep up the good job you two savages :). Cheers
I love American quality products if they can put in some better plugin (50+ miles range) and EV drivetrains with range in excess of 250miles I would buy it and am actually waiting for the announcement.
My concern about any Jeep is always reliability. I hope the new Grand Cherokee L will prove over time to be reliable, but I certainly won’t buy one the first year or two.
the most problems people had with the last gen were electrical. fca cars are mechanically sound, they just had electrical problems the past 10 years or so. The pentastars are workhorse engines and hemis aren’t horrible either, can easily get 200,000 miles on both engines if tried
@@Alex-pn5bk But electrical problems are some of the worst to track down and resolve. The fact is that Jeep has had a poor track record for reliability. I hope they will improve that but only time will tell.
It doesn’t matter how nice a dealership waiting room is - the nicest dealership waiting room is one that I almost never have to visit.
@@M1911jln
They may end up benefitting from the "dodge effect" where the vehicles get considerably more reliable over time during production, but seeing how this is a new platform that may not happen for a few years.
It better fucking be reliable though, otherwise why have the fuel-hungry V8? This thing gets horrendous fuel economy, and while 12mpg may not be enough of a downside for car reviewers, it's not something we should let manufacturers get away with, specifically on non-high performance cars.
That type of fuel economy is not only wasteful, but expensive to the point where it may end up costing the same to own as a German luxury car with more expensive maintenance and better fuel economy.
My family recently rented an Audi Q7 with the 3.0T and it had no trouble getting up and going, the Q7 is already considered one of the least efficient SUVs in the segment compared to it's German rivals and yet we still averaged over 20mpg hammering it everywhere while fully loaded with 4 big people and our luggage. It can also tow more, is very capable off-road, and starts in a similar price range.
@@CrazyWeeMonkey I agreed with you on everything you said, right up until you said the Q7 is capable off-road. It isn’t. It has terrible angles and no lo range.
@@M1911jln
True, but tbh it's as capable off-road as a 3-row SUV needs to be, and even still it's more capable than most SUVs off-road.
Thats probably one of the most amazing interior designs there is in a new cars coming out. I love it, Fiat did a good job with the Fiat 500.
This is still an FCA product, it was developed by FCA but got released under Stellantis. This is pure Fiat Chrysler. Maybe in 10 years we’ll see a full rollout of Stellantis’ products. Kudos to FCA for making a decent product
Had one of these for a rental, amazing suv!
After my previous Dodge product self imploaded at 110k miles I learned my lesson.
Our Chrysler has been good mechanically at 135K, but the body rot is atrocious.
67k is way too much for this
I can't wait until the 2 row 5-passenger redesign JGC is released.
I have seen a few roll off the line. Quite nice!
Billion dollar on quality control ! Jeep is back to track!
.."just put a V8 in everything" LOL!!
That was great 👍
I love the false McIntosh Db level meters ...only a big tuning wheel from Marantz is missing
I'm sick of watching Jeep Grand Cherokee L reviews it's like a ton of them out on you tube and I have had enough...o wait Savagegeese just posted on the New Jeep Grand Cherokee L, I have 2 watch this.
SG could review a Tonka truck and I would watch
You had me at a lot of bass & treble
Seems pretty solid, would like at production year 2 or 3 for the wrinkles to get ironed out (and lose the piano black) if I were interested in this segment. Another great vid my dudes.
As a Jeep fan, I agree in full with this review. People often mention the price of these, but never mention what you get for the price. The chassis/suspension is not made of cheap steel or cast components. You're getting real 4WD, 7200lbs of towing, and a pretty decent interior environment. Speaking of, I have no clue why Jeep put so much piano black inside, which is my only concern. But the Summit Reserve addresses many of the other plastic bits and costs about the same as this Overland.($67k).
I see some reviews of the G.Cherokee L, and as you comment on the summit variant, it seems to me that it has one of the best interiors for 60 ~ 70K $.
@@Juan-gt7ro indeed it does. Very premium environment. It is the attention to detail that Jeep put into it, like the quilted Palermo leather in all 3 rows, in addition to covering most plastic surfaces in the leather. The headliner is also Alcantara as well.
I still crack up with complaints about piano black plastic, and people distracted by their Cell phones... But at the same time, we need to have touchscreens in car, COVERED in ugly smudges, and distracting from the road!!.🤦...
It's nice to hear this new model has a decent complement of classic buttons and knobs, which can be toggled without a glance. Without covering vast swaths of your interior with ugly, greasy finger smudges. . Handsome too, great and savage vid.
Piano black plastics look good in press photos to people who don't think two steps ahead. If there was ever a case for the irony of our age, I think about people associating "the future" with a lack of foresight.
I would like to thank Jeep for putting my parents into a Toyota. 1996 Grand Cherokee so many problems, master cylinder, catalytic converter, every light going off, all under 30k. Dad finally got rid of it and grudgingly bought an Avalon. The rest is history, been Toyota ever since.
What a world of difference.
Yeah, but ZJ Grand Cherokees were the best and super reliable. Sounds like an odd coincidence of supplier issues. Not the fault of the design.
@@MrCarGuy the straight six was reliable, not so much the rest of the vehicle
Except Toyotas are a vanilla driving experience and currently have the ugliest car design on the planet.
Wow, still stuck in your biases from... *checks calendar*... 25 years ago.
Kudos.
Dude, they suck. USA!
Since the V-8 is available as an option only in the top 2 trim levels, it’s too bad Stellantis didn’t give you a tester with the base V-6. Generally that engine gets a little raucous when you work it hard; and with this much weight to move, it may be working hard a lot. The only V-6 I’ve heard that has an appealing engine sound is the 3 liter Yamaha in the first and second generation Taurus SHO. It had a menacing snarl that came on at 4,000 rpm and just got more intense from there.
This is what the new explorer should have been.
The new Explorer looks to me like bigger SantaFe like something Korean... I like much more character of previous gen
Change is very good, Chrysler hit a home run with this one.
Jeep (FCA), please put the 3.0 ecodiesel in the Grand Cherokee L.
"An American product you can be happy to buy." Been a long time since I heard those words and thought yeah maybe that's true.
Debatable how much of this is American considering Stellantis is a "Dutch domiciled" multinational corporation formed by the merger of a French investment firm (PSA) and Fiat. I forget how much manufacturing has to be done in the USA for something to be considered American made these days, but last I heard it was 60%. So, fudging the numbers around, there's really no telling.
I just saw one of these on the road, the guy driving it looked exactly like how I expected a driver of this to look like.
I physically can't comprehend how Jeep didn't put the above wood on the piano black expanse below the HVAC controls and on the cupholder cover.
@Keith Rogers Still no reason to ruin the most used part of the cabin
Liked how it looked, but not a lot of room in second row. My son is 6’1” and his knees hit the back of the front….
Why does this channel not have a million subscribers? I'm confused. Tell people to subscribe. What any amazing channel and wonderful video.
Those rear wheel axles are so close to the air shock boots, there is no way they wouldn't touch often.
Awesome review, thanks for the details.