What Happened at Roopkund Lake?
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In this video we dive into the icy waters of the mysterious Roopkund lake. Known by more common, and grim, names such as Skeleton Lake, Mystery Lake and The Lake of Bones, Roopkund lake holds a grotesque archaeological mystery that has been the source of debate for years. The remote pass is home to the skeletons of some 500 individuals. Many theories have been posed about what happened to these unfortunate travelers and why their remains now lay scattered around this lake like an enormous crime scene.
Today we are going to dive into the theories surrounding this lake, the studies that have been conducted on it and recent discoveries that prove that the truth is much stranger than fiction. All this in an effort to answer the simple question: what happened at Roopkund Lake.
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1000 years in the future, scientists stumble upon the corpse of Milo who had frozen to death, filming in his studio. His skeleton remains pointing at a non-existant wall behind him. They find scraps of mittens, and camera equipment. The prevailing hypothesis is ritualistic suicide. They're kind of right.
"This right here, is the remains of a man from the 21st century, we believe he was part of a cult called archelogy. They talked about and done ritualistic suicide, due to their curious behavior of digging up random shit." - Milo 2766
@@COMPYCUBE"Hark, child, and listen to me. These bones once belonged to an ancient cultist - a follower of the Old World religion of Arcka-logy. They were a peculiar sort; mine colleagues suspect that they may have been death priests, preserving and transporting the remains of the dead. The foolish call them scavengers, and others yet propose that they may have been cultists seeking to resurrect the forgotten dead.
All hocwash. Clearly, they were scholars and wisemen, collecting bones to see the future closest to them."
- Random future shaman or something, probably.
OMG!! I hope he gets to see this!!!
Perhaps it was a fertility rite of some kind.
You’re funny
I dont know if im horrified or disgusted by the fact that hikers used the bones as FUCKING BUILDING BLOCKS.
I mean the human femur is about as good as concrete for building. I’ve found it can support a fair amount of weight from a structure
@@IMADINOSAURNOTABIRD You make a strong argument, and I suppose the marrow could work quite well as a cement
Hey not everyone can afford that Death Star Lego set for their kids, sometimes you've got to work with what you've got 🫤
Disgustified?
People use dead bodies as markers on Everest. It's kinda common when the persons been dead for awhile
ah, a video by a guy i've never heard of on a mystery i've never heard of in a field of study i know nothing about. *finally,* the video i've been looking for.
I love how u put the importance of leaving bones (and other findings) exactly as they are in focus.
In so many fields people are destroying sooo much because they don't know and/or understand that just grabbing things, rearranging, destroying or taking away is extremly harmfull to what u want to find out or to the population etc. (As with plants, animals, stones, bones, shattered pieces of whatever, ...)
Even though fields have been ploughed many times, it's still important to leave things where they are as much as possible, or at least note down where you found things, since it will still represent the rough location it was found. Ever watched time team? I saw one episode where they excavated a burial ground that a guy found with a metal detector and when they had asked him "where did you find the grave?" he didn't know. He should have mark the location, but instead the weren't able to find that location again. they found other graves, but no the one he found.
@@ST-vt4nu Yeah absolutly. Sepcially when u find something and best is if u take pictures right away because that leaves less room for interpretation (or forgetting).
Well, i think its safe to say that there was a ton of dead people there
Yea
Even some or at least one not so dead person..
Never would have thought 😢
Bro hasn't even seen the video yet 💀💀
Must’ve been the aliens that constructed the pyramids
One reason why people died in this spot specifically is that in alpine regions, low spot, such as where a lake is, trap cold air and typically get significantly colder than surrounding areas. During a storm people will often take shelter in a such places not realizing that they are actually going into a more dangerous location. This is something that still kills hikers to this day.
If I had not read your comment i would have been in danger of this, thank you
@@ricebeansrockroll882 I believe they're referred to colloquially as "cold sinks" or "frost pockets." They can be dangerous for those unprepared. Militaries have fallen victim to them. Hikers and campers should try to understand their mechanics to avoid inadvertently camping within one.
@@ricebeansrockroll882if you see the tress struggling to grow in lower plain like areas its a giveaway, (most of the time there is a tree line like on a mountain)
This needs to be pinned
@@djkota8849That's not much indication at high altitudes as trees mostly disappear above 4000 meters.
I love this channel. Archaeology is all about context and that is important because all of us, alive right now, share the same history. It belongs to all of us. Removing something from its context renders us unable to tell the whole story. By looting, rearranging, misplacing, etc. you're stealing from yourself. You'll never get that piece of the puzzle back.
why did i shed tears over this freezing man telling stories over piano music
I'm from Himachal Pradesh, India. Its a Himalayan state neighbouring Uttarakhand (the state where the Roopkund lake is).
I cannot emphasize just how much damage tourists are doing to the natural ecosystem of these mountains. As Hindus, the Himalayas are a holy site for us. They're the abode of Lord Shiva and Goddess Parvati (as you mentioned), and there are hundreds of pilgrimage sites scattered all across the mountain ranges, each holding its different legend and story.
Any time one visits these sites nowadays, though, all you can see are plastic wrappers and bottles, stray rubbish that tourists leave behind. Not only does it destroy the sanctity of the site, its also harmful for the local ecosystem.
Last year's monsoons were some of the worst I have ever experienced in my life. Landslides, floods, you name it. We even lost many of our close friends due to it. The Himalayas are dying, and there's nothing us locals are able to do, because tourism makes up such a huge portion of our state's economy. For the tourists, its just a 5 day fun adventure, but for us, its our life, our neighbourhood, everything we've ever known.
Sorry for the essay, just please, if you ever go out to visit another country or go hiking in the Himalayas, do your part, and respect whats been there thousands of years before you came along.
Amen!
We here in the Great Smoky Mountains of Northeast Tennessee call the tourist damage, "loving it to death."
Tourism is a disease killing some of the most beautiful places on earth. It's dead money.
Don't let 'em in. Give everyone a litter bag which must be filled to exit the park.
I will never understand people who claim to “love nature” littering. It’s rude, disgusting, and harmful. Soon there won’t be a place on earth without a dirty, unnaturally bright plastic bag on it. I hope people can change their attitude, especially people who go to these extreme places (who tend to be of a certain personality type - driven by the will to dominate without ever reflecting or encountering consequences).
Imagine knowing that, despite your bones ending up in a random lake with hundreds of others in a remote mountain pass, some hikers came along and said "Hey you know what'd be funny" and made sculptures out of your family's bones
fuck that im getting cremeated 😂
You! Become art! 🫵
*Insert Lego game building sound*
I’d probably feel honoured knowing my death is provided others with happiness
I don't think they mind.
Imagine being the tourist who comes aacross a bunch if human remains and thinks "I defintly want to touch those human bones"
On the topic of that sweatshirt, I bought one pretty much the same day I watched this video. It came in a couple of weeks ago, and I have worn it consistently around my home since. It's super comfortable - just warm enough without being stifling - and I absolutely love the design as someone who does tarot readings as a pass time.
So glad i found this channel Milo is amazing at just... Talking. I can just listen to this guy for ever...
Tourists taking bones as souvenirs is actually f*cked. What do they do with the bones when they get home? Hang it on the wall as a trophy "hey look what i got while climbing this mountain range"
like how f*cked up do you have to be to look a at a human remain and think "wow that'll do nicely on my chimney"
My Coast Salish ancestors' bones were used as bookends, doorstops (apparently skulls are great doorstops), and just regular decoration.
It could be worse. Knowing what conspiracy nuts do with stones and such pilfered from ancient sites as well, it's very likely some are also desecrated trying to find the giant dna.
@@forest_green Not a problem if it’s your families bones. That’s kinda cool. But don’t go around yoinking other people’s bones from historical sites.
@@isabelmcgaugh711 sorry, I didn't explain properly. Settlers took the bones from their sacred cairns and used them as decor.
My theory is that this is simply a thriving skeleton community, much like the catacombs in Paris, and they simply stay very still whenever anyone comes to visit. Hikers aren't aranging the bones in weird positions, they just like playing twister occasionally. Sadly due to a lack of skeleton jobs many skeletons have been migrating away to find work, soon this unvibrant community will vanish forever.
✊😔
everybody's so creative
Bare bones community you might say?
Support your local skeleton commune
@@CharlieApplesI recommend the umbrellas
Who the hell just goes OOH A BONE LETS TOUCH THAT
Yooo I binged your content months ago and then kinda forgot about it. Man I can't tell you how stoked I am to come back and see multiple long videos to catch up on. Thank you for what you do man 🙏 the internet is a better place for it
I can't imagine seeing bones on the ground and thinking "oh, I'm gonna just play with those" 🤦♀️
For real... Like what if they died from some terrible unknown disease and then you contract it from disturbing the remains 😐
@@caffeinatedbroccoli Somewhere in Siberia is a small cemetery of smallpox victims
@@pierrecurie same in Townsville Australia, you can visit it lol
You don't have that caveman mentality. NGMI
you did not grow up on a cattle ranch then because when i see a cow skull or bone me and my cousins used to try and break them by throwing them on rocks
Love how this dude is a scientist and archeologist named milo. Now all he needs is a pair of big round glasses and a map to Atlantis
scientist who questions the gender due to inadequate data💀
@@sensiesama2713 yes, because it is actually pretty damn difficult to identify someone's gender from bones alone if the important bones are not around, and in this case, it was a wonder they even got 2
@@sensiesama2713
Good scientists do not draw definitive conclusions from inadequate evidence, they learn to sit with ambiguity while the search for answers continues.
@@danielflanard8274 again, pretty rich for you to say that while you defend biased content in your reply to me. Tell me what part of the need to discuss pros AND cons you disagree with
@@geteducatedyoufool4563
I have encountered many people on this platform. It is only the difficult ones who follow me into other unrelated threads to insult my character instead of addressing my reply to them in the relevant thread. It is pretty rich that you are accusing everyone of ignoring your arguments while posting two nearly identical replies on two different threads, both of which do not address any of the counterarguments I made to your comments.
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What else about these tourism and the building of “sculptures” is that these aren’t just bones, they’re the remains of people, people with all their own families, faiths, hopes, and dreams. Their memory is being desecrated. The only sign of them ever having existed is being turned into what? Sculptures and Souvenirs? I don’t know, but that’s not what I’d want my legacy to be-
Moral of the story: if you find an archaeological site, don't disclose the location. Just say it's in Maine or Antarctica or something.
I love how Maine is put on par with Antarctica
As a Canadian living north of Maine, I resented this slightly until I looked out my window
@@drewsify552 If HP Lovecraft taught us anything, it's that "Maine is a dangerous, forbidding country on par with Antarctica" is apt. The two places are even equally as eldritch, now that I think of it.
Say Maine to fuck with Mainers.
No, but seriously, in college during field school we hiked to an archaeological site that was pretty well-hidden but still technically within city bounds. The professor looked at us and went "if you tell anyone about this and I find it covered in beer cans and kicked over I will obliterate your fucking careers." SO YEAH, DON'T DISCLOSE THE LOCATIONS IF AT ALL POSSIBLE.
When im hiking alone and find 799 bodys, im completely fine, but 800 is where i draw the line
lmao
Famous last words for the person who became number 800.
When im hiking alone and find 800 bodys, im completely fine, but 801 is where I draw the line
Haha :)
13:11 nah lol, “insofar” means “to the extent that”.
Your thermometer is ideal for an international audience, insofar as it helps you report both Fahrenheit and Celsius temperatures. Your clothes kept you warm insofar as they could, despite your coat being unbuttoned.
It's so interesting to learn about this. This is my first video from you, and I'm off to binge watch now.
I have never in my life been so excited for a singular youtube video to come out. I wait with bated breath for the behemoth task that is, Awful Achaeology EP. 9: Atlantis
The thought of tourists disrespecting this resting place of hundreds makes my blood boil.
The dead don't care what happens to their bones. The real problem is like he states in the video: altering the site destroys important archeological context.
I wouldn't be surprised in the 1700 group was doing it to look for loot. Rumors of a goddess in a mountain is bound to have some gold or something. In their heads anyways.
It's what archaeologist's do all the time. 'Loot' their resting places and put them in a museum or a lab.
@@duudsuufd Not even close to the same thing 🤦 the tourists destroy it for NO REASON. Real archeologists do it to LEARN and TEACH about the remains and location. For stealing you want the British museum.
Romanian tourists have a tendency to hike wildly unprepared. Some die (as you would expect).
You keep saying "Nanda Devi"... But... That's the name of the mountain(s) where Parvati lives with Shiva.
Sati-Parvati aka Kali aka Durga is the name of the goddess you're talking about.
"Nanda Devi" is just a title that translates to something like "joy-giving goddess".
Sati-Parvati is a favorite of mine, so it's weird to have her talked about with a title and name for her holy mountain instead of her name.
Ohhh I see! Thank you for the distinction here. That was a little unclear in a lot of the sources I was going over discussing the local oral tradition. I appreciate you lending your expertise.
For some reason I thought Shiva and Vishnu were married so when he said that I thought something was off but I looked it up and I too was wrong 😂 The more you know 🌈⭐️
@@th3grav3mak3rgaming8lord Shiva and lord Vishnu still love each other just as much as they love their wives. Legends say that half of their heart is dedicated to entirely each other and other half to their wives and their devotees.
They also had a child together when lord Vishnu transformed into his female avatar mohini.
@@miniminuteman773 Hinduism has had a lot of syncretism over the centuries, so it's not surprising to have gotten lost on who is who based on when and where you're talking about.
And when you have a big goddess like Sati-Parvati who is also like 4 (to even as many as 10) other goddesses, it's easy to misplace who she is.
And this is even before you get into sectarian differences.
@@omkartelang1064 Namaskaram. To add to what you said, many Shaivites (Shiva devotees) and Vaishnavas (Vishnu devotees) will also tell you that Shiva and Vishnu are the highest form of each other. I love the plural nature of Hinduism ❤️🕉️😁
Har har Mahadev
Great video! Love the in-depth analysis and explanation and your humor throughout!
People really need to learn to leave things be instead of thinking they're somehow the main character and destroying these places for touristic reasons.
As soon as you said "Time in running out" I immediately knew what the reason was gonna be.
Tourist is the absolute bane on every single historical and important site.
A recent example being Chernobyl and how tourism is actively destroying everything there. To the point where people are bringing highly radioactive items back with them.
People bringing back items from chernobyl? Reminds me of STALKER
@@hesya5400 Except that these people are bringing back stuff like a shoe, a shoe which is so radioactive it's gonna give you cancer if you have it beside you.
You have to be a very special kind of stupid to try that, I'm not even talking about any mental illnesses I'm talking stupid stupid
@@alanin4dwelcome to the internet vibes
Natural selection.
get the chalkboard up Milo, come on man.
you know you miss the chalk.
Needs a snack
Chalkboard paint would be awesome
Hard to hold chalk with mittens on.
noooooo chalk makes my skin crawl, even thinking about it is horrible 😂
@@spilledepsomsalt4419 shut up, you're a snack
This was such a great video, I had no knowledge of this prior and I was so invested by the end
I love how you show some bloopers! It makes its more fun to watch.
It seems too coincidental that Group B just happened to all die in that very same place under Group A. A more likely scenario is that this place was actually the lair of a dragon, and it was just taking its victims here. Only thing that makes that unlikely is there should be a lot of treasure here.
The real treasure was the friends it made along the way
@@admiralofcuteness made food come outta my nose
Maybe the bones ARE the treasure. Maybe not all dragons collect gold
@@admiralofcutenessliterally come here to type that, word to word. Was disappointed to you had already done
You don't consider glass beads and parasols treasure? 🙂
Since Milo didnt want to convert the temperature, i will assume he means 23C, which is a comfortable room temperature and he is just being a baby about it.
At 38C i might actually spontaneous combust. Way too hot for my northern ass.
New Englanders wouldn't be wearing gloves in 60F-70F weather 😅 honestly wearing them around freezing doesn't happen much (0F however, that's glove weather)
@@bellablue5285 You're not taking in to account the wind chill. Maybe there's an open window ... or a missing wall.
-5C lol. I had to convert 23C to F and that's 73 ish degrees to us
Lol I like this theory
I think the, not being able to tell the sexes of all the individuals, was less of a gotcha than you think it is. You said earlier that the bones were basically scattered. They also were able to positively tell which gender some of the bones are. How do we know the ones that weren't positively identified were full skeletons? What if they were missing the bones that allow you to tell the difference?
It made me question his intellectual honesty; frankly, what he did is perfect example of person lacking it, imposing your personal belive without providing all information and disregarding facts to push your agenda, what i found absolutely baffling was that he contradicted himself in one breath "You can't identify someone's gender by skeleton" while research he citing actually did just that, does he not see how dull that make him look?
Honestly, agreed on the voice. Surprisingly nice baritone there, not one for Christmas music myself, but I'd consider it just to support his possible music career.
Nice hair.
This is the most accurate and important comment ever made on Milo’s videos. Godspeed my dude
And of course first thing kyle mentions is the guy's hair lmao.
Why do you post so much nuclear content but say nothing about other alternative energy solutions? Nuclear isn't the only alternative to fossil fuel.
It's one thing to debunk scare mongering but there are still negatives to nuclear such as being too damn expensive for the energy it outputs...
The fact that there are arguing fanboys here from a science channel is just sad. No critical thinking just insecurity over defending what you fanboy over
Is it bad now to want channels to have the integrity to impartially post the pros AND the cons? Is it bad to want to mention how humanity has more alternatives to fossil fuel than just nuclear? Is it not possible to debunk stereotypes without being an evangelist? This is science, not a garbage TV show where you fanboy over your favourite character...
Sad...
@@geteducatedyoufool4563Since its by far the best one.
Its also the most cost effective.
Gay
Imagine freezing to death and thinking your last thoughts, only to glance over and see, under the ice, the bones of those who came before you
Fucking terrifying
Ghost of a Newly Dead Pilgrim, "Am I dead?"
Ghost of an Ancient Dead Pilgrim, "Yeah, but it ain't bad. We'll be okay so long none disturbs our bones."
Ghost of a Newly Dead Pilgrim, "No worries on that score, I guess; what kind of moronic ass-wipe would mess with such sad relics as ours?"
Truly horrifying. That was my first thought when I read it was two groups. What a frightening end.
That's sounds like a scene you'd see in a horror or survival movie, terrifying
@@miniminuteman773 if that happened to me I'd just guess it was a gas leak
@@airplanes_aren.t_real some people in the comments above are speculating that it could have been something conceptually similar, a basin of cold air, starts getting cold and everyone's dead fast enough that there are no survivors (especially since how would they know that in other places it's better if they let's say didn't know about that cold air hollow concept).
This is the kind of video i would like to watch....the work involved is unimaginable... Thanks bro....
I'm so glad you covered this, I saw the hailstorm explanation years ago and just moved on with my life, but the truth is so much more fascinating and tragic.
And tho too many people see look human bones as souvenirs, the comments suggest there are just as many (if not more) people who'd leave another dead body on that mountain if they caught someone trying it.
Now to piss him off:
These people were subjects of a natural phenomenon that teleports people from random places around the world to that one unfortunate place, and only during hailstorms.
scp
epic scp prompt
This is the only theory that sufficiently explains that one lonely spearhead.
Someone mentioned SCP, I thought of Pratchett's Discworld, Red Dwarf and/or The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy. :)
I might write an SCP article on your comment...
Got fucking damn it what is this SCP nonsense
The thing I find most fascinating about this is that one group was remembered for over 1000 years in the form of local mythology, yet the group from only a few hundred years ago seems to have been completely forgotten. No oral history, no records of their travels, nothing.
It makes me wonder how much smaller the second group was (like, did they just happen to get most of group B in the tested sample, rather than an even distribution of both groups?) But even if it was only a dozen or so people, you'd think people would remember that time a bunch of random strangers walked into the mountain and never returned.
There's a likely explanation. Group A had survivors that told the story. Group B either didn't have survivors or since they were foreigners they couldn't share their plight due to a language barrier
@@dominiklehn2866 Even if there were no survivors you’d think someone would know they were there, they had to have come from somewhere and met people along the way. A large group of foreigners travelling up a pilgrimage route undetected seems nearly impossible.
The two events could have become conflated. The current tellings of the myth might even contain newer elements derived from the second instance.
*edited for clarity*
@@dominiklehn2866what I think could also be acontributing factor: social standing
group A was local nobels and their "court"
group B were just some unknown strangers, foreign in every sense of the word
First of of your videos ive watched and adding the places you did your research is a very good idea!
Over $50 for one item of clothing is way out of my budget, but if I had it, I would buy one. It's great art and fund educational programming.
People camping in a frost hollow due to it having a lake in it. Frost hollows get way colder then the mountains that form them. it could have been -70F in that basin when they died.
I didn't know this! I know temperatures can drop as you go up in altitude but I didn't consider that formations or landscapes in the mountains could alter the tempature as well.
Could also have been camping there in order to avoid some kind of harsh weather. As you said, it was in a hollow, which could have shielded them from some very harsh winds. Both of these groups could just have used this hollow as shelter from some strong winds, but instead they froze to death due to how cold air behaves.
And it can drop fast as the wind above picks up speed.
@Rey-it3sg
Yeah. You just need to make simple cover.
Don't use hollows. The wind passing above draws the heat out and their shape means sun light only gets in if the sun is right above.
@@Rey-it3sg
It can also be warmer on the top of the lowest slope in a valley.
The heat rising up the valley reaches this first.
It's often visible on the landscape.
hey! Indian here. thanks for making at least an effort into pronouncing most of those names correctly. Good job! Also thanks for covering an archeological story from home! A lot of our archeology is often either overlooked or manipulated into religious propaganda, so this was awesome to watch.
Good on you bringing attention to non-western archeologists/politicians exploiting and misappropriating history, theres usually a lot of the opposite for some reason.
people who look at a name longer than 5 letters then just give up are wild
they get like 3 syllables into a name then just go vahjayblahblah whatever
@@user6122Lol that mostly comes from not wanting to mess it up. As someone who has a short name that is very easily messed up. I'd prefer it not said than mispronounced like it has for almost my entire life.
@@user6122 I work with a large number of immigrants, they do the exact same thing to English because of how hard it is to learn. It's funny how white people are all "We have to do better! We give up on words that are hard to pronounce." Meanwhile everyone around them actively avoid words to say due to them being difficult.
We're all the same on this regard, nobody is doing a better job than anyone on this case.
How strong is this religious propaganda in india? I keep hearing about some revisionist crap like "India invented nukes a millenia ago", but how does religion come into this?
Thank you for covering this, I have never heard about this
Honestly my hypothesis was what I expected to be said at the end:
They're people who've died at seperate times in seperate random parts of the high mountains that then get swept by melting snow water bringing them to the lake.
Milo missing the most obvious and real reason:
It was an ancient extremely advanced civilisation accompanied by aliens
aliens who taught them how to turn their statues into bionicle robots
I instantly thought this! How did he miss this it’s obviously the answer
“Toys in every store” ………😂👏🏻🫶🏻
were the aliens performing ritualistic suicide as some sort of fertility rite?
Aliens... FROM THE FUTURE!
Shout out Milo for temporarily reenacting the way we believe these people died
Really dedicated
At least he didn't get bludgeoned by hailstones!
@@rebeccat.6134yet...
@@rebeccat.6134 just wait for part two…
Earlier he mentioned that the bodies were scattered and highly damaged......wtf is this tangent? 21:20
Thanks for the video and for the kind subtitles too :)
I am Garhwali (Western part of Uttarakhand, where the lake is) there is also a common known folk song that narrates what happened there. Also there destruction caused by outsiders coming in is massive and irreversible. The present condition of the Himalayas is just sad and as a native Himalayan it just hurts even more to know what is happening to my ancestral lands.
As a Garhwali ,the biggest joke is the sheer fact we are the only Himalayan state that doesn't have any laws that protects the natives of Uttrakhand - the Garhwalis and Kumaonis . Or the fact that we Garhwalis and Kumaonis don't have any say in our own ancestral land and pahadi state.
Uttrakhand needs land laws and we the natives want to be heard. As this has already lead to our culture being 90% destroyed and also our own languages - Garhwali and Kumaoni not being recognised in our own state. Also out of the 1700 villages in Uttarakhand , 700 villages are already ghost villages because the government refuses to listen to the natives will and wishes. As a micro minority community this is of the most important issue that needs to addressed , as we are the ones in danger.
These mfs are same they don in metro cities and when it comes to their state thry be like guys stop it all this problem you should ask to your CM he won't do anything tell your cm to create jobs so that you guys won't come to south india or delhi mumbai for jobs live there and save your land
Would you mind telling us what the song tells ? Is that the same folk stuff than he said, the one about deity revenge and iron balls falling from the sky ?
Yeah... all one has to do is mention the mountain named Chomolungma, only to be given a blank stare, to see just how entrenched the effects of colonialism (physical, intellectual, etc) are, even to this day.
Really!
@@Basementdweller9 What the FUCK ? No wonder women do not find you attractive (Incel much? It's your own fault!)... look up the terms 'neocolonialism' and 'cognitive dissonance', eh?
Jeez. Wow.
@@Diss0lvant If my memory serves me right, the song narrates that back in the days(probably centuries ago or thousand years ago) there was a King and a Queen who were trying for a child but they had no success, then one day someone from the mystics side mentioned to the couple to try to apple to the Mountain Devi(closest loose English translation is Mountain female deity)(Gods/Goddess is not a thing). And when they followed the mystics advice, they were blessed with a child. Overjoyed with the birth of their own child the King and Queen announced that they will take a pilgrimage to the Mountains where the Devi's temple/structure is located, and perform a big procession and rituals for thanking and appreciating her(Devi) and ask for her blessing. But apparently on the journey they did something very bad, that enraged the Devi enough to the point, where she punished them with a Hail, which ended up crushing their skulls and killing the entire procession.
I do not understand peoples love of the "hailstorm" explanation. As a meteorologist it has always struck me as just so, so impossible that a hailstorm that severe could impact such a high altitude area. While large hail is very common in lower elevations of (mostly eastern) India, and *small* hail is very common in high-altitude places, large hail capable of injuring is *incredibly* uncommon at very high altitudes, to the point of being practically impossible above 10,000 feet in elevation.
Why could the legend of "iron balls from the sky" not just come from a rockslide, a very common cause of death in that area?
My first instinct was actually that it was the blizzard that she sends in the story, much likelier and the head damage on the few skulls that had it could be post mortem. But the hail does make for a better story
Part of me is skeptical of a rockslide because with my very limited knowledge I feel like a rockslide would bury the remains. Please correct me or explain the flaws in my logic I have no research at all in this.
@@gtro4207the initial group was burried, I thought. It was only the later group that wasn't (no head injury).
I teach avalanche safety courses and my first thought was avalanche. Roughly 30% of avalanche victims die of trauma, the rest could have just asphyxiated under the debris. If it was a bad avalanche zone on a pilgrimage route that pilgrims traveled regularly, multiple parties could have died and been buried in debris that may have rarely melted. It’s even possible that the route avoided all but the most extreme avalanche hazards, when large, rare avalanches did happen, the debris would reach the path and burry any parties on it. Such a large avalanche could create basically a temporary glacier, snow and ice that doesn’t ever fully melt and is known for churning and scattering bones as it moves down hill.
This sounds weird, but do you know if a bad blizzard could cause a rockslide?
Imagine seeing human bones, something that was once a person who met what was most likely a horrible end and DECIDING TO MOVE OR STEAL THEIR REMAINS
It's a bone.
1:56 T. G. Longstuff is the best drag name idea I've ever heard 😂😂
the disregard people have towards bones is so disheartening, especially when it comes to unknown bodies like theirs. they died without their names and now we will probably never know
Ironically they would be horrified if the same fate occurred to their remains.
Speak for yourselves, when I'm dead just throw me in the trash
For real, I just can't imagine coming across an ancient skull and thinking, "this'll make a killer Instagram post!"
That skull was a full person, it was you hundreds of years ago. Pay respect to those who came before, and pass it on so future generations will do the same for your skull
Honestly, if someone wanted to make a sick Instagram post with my skull, I'd be cool with it.
you ever heard of bone ghazi? the roopkund lake bones reminds me of that
TLDR is:
tumblr witch uses bones for magic, which were taken from a cemetary in louisiana when it would flood and the bones would float up and away from their graves, and if she had excess she would sell them to people around the country for similar purposes
there's a Whang! video about it that covers it in detail but pretty fucked up scenario, like how the tourist bone moving situation is at roopkund lake
Tip for you, when faced with a long and difficult to say word or name, try back-chaining it. This means starting with the last syllable(s) for practice, adding the second last, and so on. So for Pranavananda, you say "nanda", then "vananda", then "navananda", then "Pranavananda". Once you have said the whole thing once, it becomes less intimidating. But you only move on to the next stage when you have the previous one nailed in, repeat each one ten times or so, till you don't even have to worry about fumbling it. (This doesn't give any insight into the correct pronunciation of the name/word of course, you may need to look that up first - but it means you can say it with confidence)
This also works really well for complete sentences in a foreign language; you break them into their constituent syllables, rather than just words, and you can learn to produce the sounds without your analytical brain interfering.
Wow. That worked for me
As a dyslexic adult, I’m very sad that no one told me this strategy decades ago 🌝
Also: remember that all words are "speakable". Sometimes it is just a matter of not using the stress/intonation you would use in your own language. Just try stressing each syllable to the same degree first.
Yes, and I would add: hide the part of the word you are not pronouncing yet. Just uncover each syllable as and when it is its turn to be pronounced. As a rule: when you are reading, use a blank piece of paper in which you have cut out a rectangle which has space for one line, and only about 5 words, and move this "window one as you read. And when you get to a full stop, oause and think of what you have read. It will make reading slow, but also very manageable and understandable, so in the end, you save time and energy. :)@@seyi6295
Wow! Thank you!
I am absolutely obsessed with your channel 😩
Do people not realize how morbid it is that they are just... playing with actual human remains the way a child plays with a toy?
It would be wild to find out that the group of foreigners had heard the myth of the failed pilgrimage and went to the lake to do the same sort of tourism we're seeing now.
Actually seems fairly probable
It would be such a Titanic the Ship and Titanic the Sub situation
bloody tourists.
for anyone wondering, 23°F = -5°C and 22°F ≈ -5.556°C
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I wasn't, I stop listening whenever I hear imperial measurements. We tried compromising, it doesn't work.
Use metric, or assume that everybody outside the US isn't going to understand.
If Milo didn't care enough to list something literally on the Thermometer, then I don't care if he was listing F⁰ and will take his readings as C⁰.
Further more, I won't even question why he was wearing an awful lot of cold weather clothes for such warm temperatures either.
@@soulsurvivor8293 Obviously he's trying to give himself heat stroke to get out of recording.
weirdly enough it's colder for him in America, then it is for me in Canada haha
It's 13c right now so I'm having a great time
Educational and fun. Thank you for making a great video
I really loved this video, you presented things in an easy to approach way that was also very entertaining. I had gotten the wrong impression about you from your shorts, which felt a bit mean spirited in their rebuttals, but this work of yours is fantastic
Hearing how this became a local legend reminds me of an archeological find here in Sweden, where on one of the larger islands there was a legend that people should not wander close to an ancient ruin, as something terrible might happen. Well, some years ago a gold find was discovered in those ruined remains, and of course our archeologists scattered to excavate the place to try and find what rested there. What they found shocked them, because the place was a small town, and they found over a dozen dead bdies, left as they were slain. They reasures remained, they found evidence of meals having been eaten as the attackers came. No one had gone back to bury the dead. We still don't know the full story and it is still an excavation, but from what we can find out. During the 5th 6th century AD, some outside group attacked the town at night, slaughtered all men and either kidnapped the woman or killed them at another location. The people who either witnessed or survived likely carried down the terror so locally it was told: "Something awful happens at Sandbyborg"
If you find any paper on it, I'd recommend you check it. It's literally the Swedish equivalence of Pompeii
I have zero evidence, but I'm gonna blame the Danes for this one 😤
@@pvp6077 Actually, most Swedish archeologists believe the raid was done by other islanders, who wanted to destroy the town's influence. I got the timeline a little wrong, it was 4th century, not 5th, 6th. But it fellaround the end of the Roman empire, and some believe it was a loyal pro Roman outpost, and not a popular one.
@luminoustarisma Roman empire lasted till 16th century.
isn't there little evidence for mass slaughter other than dead bodies?
I remember reading about it and the arrangement of remains, lack of weapon discoveries, the fact the precious items weren't looted, and the location of site kinda point to it not being a massacre... a natural disaster seems a more fitting explanation
Viking Pompeii. Say no more.
The amount of disrespect someone must have to not only move someone else's remains for no good reason, but also take them home or build STATUES out of them, is vile. These people likely met a very grim death, and now their only remaining memory, their bones, are being used as toys. It's sick behavior.
Idk, I think it's pretty cool 😎
Still a bit impolite
Every culture in the world has respect for the dead. Many in different ways. Yet these monsters see skeletons and pieces of the past as play things or oddities. I was in a drawing class and we have a real human skeleton (1900s we know and I think that somewhere they have more info on them but it was a medical donation) and I was anxious to touch respectfully yo change their pose. Many would see a skeleton and assume it’s fake or a play thing. That is why when the skeleton was part of the medical school long ago someone stole part of its arm. My professor was the one who rescued it and hauled a large cabinet to his room with a lock to protect it. I’ve always thought that respect for the dead is a common thing… not stealing and disrespectfully moving or touching them unless you have a actual connection to them. Like many cultures do with family members. But the more I have heard of the world and tourists the more it’s all wrong…. I’ve been to places with skeletons before like Pompeii and I have been in silence observing them and I’ve been in a small catacomb when I was in middle school and yes I did have a anxiety attack but I kept myself together… just something about the bones separated and like sorted by part just was anxiety inducing somehow for my mind. My grandma passed in the fall and we haven’t been able to hurry her due to the cold ground but her box of ashes is on our fireplace mantle and I hug it. I feel embarrassed to admit but I sat with her on new years because she never got to see 2024. Death is such a part of humanity yet those who disrespect it are monsters. Or not just monsters but people who have to respect for others or where they are or anything or anyone. Sorry for the rambly rant.
@@BennyAscent grave robbing?
@@BennyAscent oh so you're disgusting? why are you on his channel if you have no respect for people or history?
Such a wholesome merch drop dude mad respect
20:50 while i appreciate snark it would have been better to have just said why it was hard to do
"including complete skull, cranial vaults, and small skull fragments. The selection of the
samples was also not less than a puzzle for the researchers because, due to the
continuous landslide and human intervention, all the remains were scattered and mixed
together. Therefore, it was difficult to say whether the remains found together belong to
the same individual or another." from the paper cited
this is the reason they had difficulty determining sex as all they used were 27 skull samples and "The present study included only one complete skull.
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and if they had been collecting the pelvic bones it would have been a bit easier however they would have had a harder time placing the pelvis to the skull found, all they would be able to determine is how many male and females were found which was not the purpose of the study. The fact they were able to find what they did with what they had is amazing.
as per Forensic Digest "Pelvis provides the most accurate ground of sexual dimorphism. If a pelvic remain is found at the crime scene, as a whole or in part it can be used to estimate the gender with great degree of certainty. "
Again amazing that they were able to determine what they did with what little they had.
Even with complete skeletons tho, it can sometimes be difficult to determine sex. Not that most people care about how their bodies are interpreted by scientists in the future tho, I guess.
@@elliottwatt5297 very true
Jesus, no wonder they froze. Look at them. Not a scrap of clothing to be seen anywhere.
Their bones are out, shameless if you ask me!
It chilled them right to their bones
Not a pick on them.
They should have bought Milo's sweater
And look at those damn shoes
Torn to pieces
How are you gonna protect your feet from the ice like that
I've spent a fair amount of time in high altitude places in the winter. I feel like I can pretty much tell what happened. They were hiking, and that seemed like a reasonable place to hunker down because it's probably out of the wind in a big storm. But then the wind stops and it turns into a cold sink. It can drop to temperatures you just can't function in within a very short period of time. You never want to camp in a natural depression in the winter. It may seem better, because hey, no wind. And during a storm it can seem warmer. It's just when the storm passes and it has time to create a temperature inversion that it sucks.
I saw a wilderness survival video that listed "low ground or hollows" as one of the basic mistakes people make in trying to locate a good place when caught without proper resources.
As a retired landscape designer, I concur. So many people get confused when their hardy shrubs and plants die in a little hollow.
@@maryeckel9682 An excellent excuse for a shrine, sculpture or hobbit/fairy/gnome home, a wee hollow. Just my immediate reaction.
Now the question is:
What the hell was group B and C doing there?
That makes more sense than fatal hail that doesn’t break bones
FINALY!! It’s so refreshing to have someone explain history without smoking crack 5mins befor😂 subscribed🤘🏻
Horrified to know ppl are rearranging the bones and stealing them. Not only terrible for research but extremely disrespectful to the individuals that perished. I wouldn't want my remains reassembled into abstract art!
I'm often haunted by the fact I once sat down to rest on a hike and couldn't find the strength to get back up. It was a visceral panic that set in as I felt myself relax into a dreamlike state. I was able to continue but I was nowhere near 16k. It was a mountain valley with vegetation clear to the top, perhaps a few thousand feet above sea level
I know exactly what you're talking about. It's a pretty strange feeling. I literally had to use all my remaining strength and will to continue my walk home. I was on a hike by myself late winter in the prairies. I decided I wouldn't hike alone anymore or at least have proper supplies if I'm on an extended hike.
Is there room at the Haunted Table for one more? 😳🥶
I remember cycling up the Stelvio, a mountain pass in Italy above the vegetation line. It felt like the mountain was angry with me and send evil spirits to stop me. The thin air results in less oxygen being available to you and significantly lowers how efficient your muscle can work. An impressive experience
Yeah, that's the thing about pushing yourself. Sometimes you run out.
Did you die? 😳
Mad respect to Milo for setting up his new studio in a 200 year old walk in freezer.
I love the title card gags that cut your off right before you announce something.
Its really funny and really catches attention.
just discovered this channel + TH-camr.. Made my day 👌
every day Milo's studio looks more and more like a hostage situation
Lol... with the kidnappers off-screen angrily gesturing at him to be more viral/topical/etc, and to stop whining about the temperature.
😆
Theres a reason for the title of the last chapter
Milo, blink twice if you are being held at gunpoint
Solution: They were time-travelling Japanese soldiers (with a small squad of Italian soldiers) seeking to sneak-attack India through the mountains several hundred years before they would be expected. But, as the Terminator films have taught us, you can't travel back in time with your clothes and weapons.
exactly.....................i like that theory
Brilliant. Mystery solved everyone!!
So sad that the terminator movies hadn’t come out yet so they could learn that important aspect of time travel
I mean you also have to correct for the movement of the earth through space. Have to imagine it's hard to correct for that without issue so maybe they plan to arrive somewhere else and forgot to carry the 2 and ended up in the Himalayas.
It's just occums razor, none of "science" non-sense to disprove such a clear and simple theory
One thing i learned being a Canadian from a cold af provinvce is -15 degrees celcius is a lot colder when fall becomes winter than -15 degrees celcius feels when spring becomes summer. Whatever you do don't wear more than 3 warm layers beccause you can restrict and lose circulation and make yourself colder from poor blood flow. My credentials is i went 27 years in real winters most hitting at least -30 celcius like my car froze plugged in once. so if youre battling the cold again at some point the 3 warm layer tip, paired with another good one is no steel toe boots (they hold in the cold) get the carbon fiber toed ones and youll be fine.
I hope that tourism will contribute to a renewed increase in the number of skeletons in the lake.
The fact that freezing leaves no marks on the bones is in itself a great thing, because if the bones of Group B/C don't show any trauma, like Group A with their cracked skulls, it means they they did probably die via a means that leaves no marks.
I have to wonder what the life of that lone individual from Group C was like. They, or their family, came from somewhere in Malaysia, somehow met up with a bunch of Greeks and they all went up a mountain in the Himalayas and died. What a life.
There was a greek kingdom in pakistan that lasted for a while until the 1st century AD. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo-Greek_Kingdom. Could have been some isolated villages with mostly greek blood still back then. The malay guy probably would have from a mostly muslim area by then. Probably all the descendents of the indo-greek kingdom would have been muslim too. I'm guessing back then there was a lot of trade and travel going on around that time throught that whole area from south asia to southeast asia. Wouldn't be surprised if they were muslim missionaries, or just friends traveling... maybe they met while traveling... maybe they decided to take a side trip and investigate the lake they heard about from some of the locals.
@@davidnoll9581 Honestly this seems quite possible. For adventurous people travelling through this area hearing this story it would be quite tempting to check it out I would say
That C group person could have made a great Instagram influencer, but alas it was not meant to be
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You would think the freezing would’ve made the bones weaker but then i realised that would be freeze thawed anyway
You forgot how the mountain is actually an Egyptian pyramid that was made with power tools that someone got from aliens
and the aliens killed the hikers!!!!
@@justagyroontheinternetomg it all makes sense now!!!
Egyptian pyramid? Why dont you just say a pyramid? Because you can find them all round the world. Such as on the ocean floor somewhere near Japan.
@@danny.55 calm down friend, they were just making a joke, don't be so pressed about everything :)
@@ankulix i can laugh at an actual joke. But if this to you was considered as a joke. Now i get it why we cant make jokes about gay or black people anymore.
I cannot imagine going somewhere, seeing bones, the remains of a person, and thinking it would be okay to not just touch it, but move it. It blows my mind the audacity and ignorance some people have about the things they see in the places they visit
One thing I like about Milo is that he rarely brings politics into his videos.
Though, after seeing this I should say, that he often, mildly brings his politics into his videos
As soon as you said, "What's one going to do" I subscribed.
I live in a tourist area where people take that mentality all the time; mostly the tourists. The stuff that people rip out of the ground and tear off natural formations where I live is ridiculous. I don't know why people don't understand that by taking something you are damaging the same place that you came to visit.
I think an aspect of it is to create a souvenir. To the tourist who do that, they don’t give a fuck they just want a physical reminder of the trip. To them their memory is more important than the enjoyment of everyone.
I do too! I have worked it toom but amazingly, I have no bad stories from working. But living here I have plenty. You should how much trash they leave behind....
Grew up on Nantucket island. It's one thing when all the local kids are carving into the local love tree, it's another thing when tourists decide it's a tourist hotspot and damage the tree so much that it has to be cut down. See also: our dunes and bluffs being home to a lot of endangered species that nest there, and tourists thinking that climbing the dunes is harmless. I've seen damage from locals, but never to the extent of a single tourist on a bender.
Could you maybe push for the government to put up signs near these sites that damaging or even touching and thus altering the local eco system will be punished with a fine or even jail time? put up some cameras and the majority of people will think twice about damaging things. In a lot of countries there are laws about preserving things like landmarks and eco systems. Otherwise, maybe even just a sign asking people to respect the site will make people realize they're being a-holes before acting.
it is massively disrespectful to the place you are visiting and the people who occupy it. I will never understand it. This example is especially disgusting to me though, disturbing the remains of people is awful, and I don’t understand why someone would want to do that in the first place.
Milo, first of all, thank you for making these videos and second of all, please don't skip making any videos "because people studied this or that in school". I'm from Argentina, currently living in the US and I had no idea these sites existed. I'm really happy to be able to learn about this land from you, you're great at what you do and I hope you continue teaching us about the archeology of the whole world!
I agree, also not everyone finished high school so that would help them get a GED
Why would anyone play with human remains as legos
Someone should have recreated the god meeting Adam painting
"it's 23 degrees in here... There's snow in the fireplace." Sir, are you telling me you're freezing your ass off, but have a fireplace with no fire going and the flue open? Your patrons should pool some money and send a wood stove to your PO box you can pop in that fireplace
I live in New Delhi, and hiking in the Himalayas is a passion. The trek to Roopkund Lake, although very difficult, is one of the most popular treks here. I was fortunate to have been there in 2007, right after the monsoons, and the landscape was otherworldly. I also noticed, and the mountain guides told me many stories, of how tourists would take back bones as souvenirs. Also the pilgrimage you talked about, that happens once in 12 years, is called the Nanda Devi Jat, and it is a sight to behold. all the Himalayan villages in the state of Uttarakhand have their own deities, and the villagers carry their gods and meet up on the meadows at the base of Roopkund, and travel beyond the Junargali Pass (It is pronounced with the J sound, and not with the H sound). One interesting ritual that happens on this 'yatra' (Hindi, for pilgrimage) is that a young goat is released in the wild, bedecked in gold jewellery worth millions, as an offering to the Goddess. Nobody follows the goat after it is released, and it is never seen again.
Thank you for sharing
Damn..
Imagine just chilling around a fireplace with your homies in the 9th century, and seeing a baby goat COMPLETELY decked out in gold and jewelry😂😂
Huh, that sounds kind of similar to the Yom Kippur scapegoat sacrifice.
@@faarsightmaybe there is some ancient link lost to time there
@@SumeriyaYaxlaka
And then seeing your homie get struck by lightning or Shamshad after trying to take the jewellery off of the goat
I think the High court has banned trekking on the local meadows since 2018, which basically closed the Roopkund route since then. There may be a couple of trekking agencies that might defy this order in secret but, I think the trek is closed as of now.
It is pretty sad that the remains were moved as part of a photo opportunity by some of the trekkers.
Great video- loved it btw!
That's quite reassuring to hear
I love this dude, I’m subscribing
I like your studio. It reminds me of walls of my house, as well as my tuition, walls in general when I was 15 years younger than now, (2008ish)
"The only thing worse than hiking with a friend and finding a body, is hiking by yourself and finding 800"
Nah, the worse thing is hiking by yourself and finding a _friend's_ body. Or even worse, _a body that wants to be your friend._
what about hiking with your friend and finding 800 bodies identical to your friend?
@@Brigtzen that ain't my problem, it's my friend who got beef with a lake
@@laosko1042 a real homie helps a homie fight an eldritch lake
@@Brigtzenhe kept on dying on the final boss
@@RandomN4me geez, now i get why he brought you there, he just needs help with the boss!
Considering how the bones are being removed, damged, destroyed, etc. by tourists and potentially even the ever changing environment, perhaps the loner of "Group" C wasn't truly alone, or perhaps there may have been more loners or groups present at one point
If I were you I'd keep advertising your long-form content in shorts. I never thought to check your channel for full videos. I SHOULD have, but it just never occurred to me. I'm glad to he here 😊
5:20 the fact that you pushed yourself, your brain to say her name right says a lot about your fabulous personality 🫵 you rock! Great content 😁
His*. That's a man's name
First, as a college professor, the inspirational speech you gave at about 29:55 actually made me clutch my heart. This sort of curiosity and wonder is *precisely* what I want my students to learn.
Second, this was a *fascinating* video; I hadn't even heard of this site, and the history/mystery fascinates me. I'll definitely be doing more research.
Third, I'm very glad you didn't succumb to hypothermia in the making of this video. :)
This comment is too wholesome for the internet.
@@duncangriffiths4399it’s also a lie
Archaeogenetics and Archaeolinguistics researcher here. The sample in the Roopkund C genetic cluster is highly shifted towards the Nicobarese. There is an astounding level of Austroasiatic/Laos Bronze Age admixture in this sample, more than the vast majority of modern Southeast Asians.
This only makes sense to you.
Could you elaborate on what that means, and its implications, for us laymen?
Very interesting, I would like to hear more if you have more to share
@@Preston241
This would imply two things
1) this mf was either from Nicobar and the Andaman Islands (which is where North Sentinel is btw), or his ancestors were. That is... oddly specific...
But since his diet did not consist of much seafood, him or his ancestors likely moved Inland, either to another part of South Asia or for some reason to Anatolia.
2) The Laotian part may mean that at some point there were people from Laos (very inland) who may have moved to this god forsaken island chain for whatever reason.
Personally I find this very absurd.
Moreover, given the vast amount of seafood that Greek people normally consume, it is weird how their diet didn't seem to consist of much seafood. We don't know if group B and C actually met however so that is one question unsolved.
wHat
So very happy you’re back 😊
This video was literally awesome