Pro tool - diagnose, measure real capacity, revive, charge and discharge laptop batteries
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Master class mate. You are a real humble teacher with decades of hard work and knowledge. Thank you kindly always for every word you say and how you share it with all of us. Really cool. Keep it up.
You need a license to use to unlcok / reset the chip
I used a 4 port "Universal Laptop Battery Tester" like this back in 2012. It came with all the cables mounted on a battery connector with screws so you could customize them if you wanted to. Had a ready-to-use cable for every major laptop brand plus spare cables and connectors plus software. It was like $240, imported directly from China, from the factory that we used to import replacement batteries from. I can clearly understand why you're so happy, Sorin :) This tool is a game changer indeed.
I guess I know what are you talking about. That tool has limited functionalities, even the cell voltages are not read correctly for many batteries, apart the price which is higher. Also the charging/discharging current is lower, the load is external, etc.
@@nipembedded9976 Price mentioned was with all the customs and VAT taxes, 179 pounds before taxes sounds like the same price to me... And i would be able to use this tool (your personal design as i see by your comments) for only one battery at a time. Lacking of any functionality (maybe) is probably negligible, considering i'm talking about a way way older design originally developed for Win XP PCs with a COM port connection. Even if the current was lower, i would still be able to charge and discharge 4 batteries at the same time way quicker if i just wanted to "quick cycle test" them right after receiving them from the factory and before sending them to a client. Readings were correct on most of the batteries. All i'm saying is it was a good working horse of a tool. As a matter of fact, the firm i left back then is still using it now. Imagine if you test around 200 batteries per month every year since 2012 till now... that's a lot of batteries and at the end it gets the same job done ;) I'm sure yours is much more sophisticated and i applaud your time and dedication in developing it. I would love to see a version that can work with more batteries and have plastic connectors ready for an HP/Acer/Dell etc. battery, it's just really practical for businesses. Hobby-ists won't mind the 1 battery at a time design, i'm sure, in large scale though - not enough. I would love to test and compare your device if i was still working in this firm :) Oh, well... All i can do is wish you good luck and keep up the good work ;)
@@em0_tion Thank you. I have started this project because I have not found a good analyzer for laptop batteries. You are talking about a tester while I am talking about an analyzer. The product you are referring does the same thing like many PC softwares, it just read the data from batteries, it performs very basic tests like reading the cycle count or FCC. You can do it with any PC software if you can connect the battery to that laptop. But, if you have dead laptop batteries, not detected laptop batteries can you read data from them ? Can you track to voltage cells under load to analyze the voltage drop, and the deviation between the cells in order to avoid locking ? Can you measure the internal resistance ? You know that the trend of manufactures is to use slim/flat laptop batteries with different connectors. NLBA1 is already tested and works great with most of them. The charging algorithm for Macbook batteries is also validated, I don't know if you tester can test Macbook batteries. All the best.
this is so unfortunate that i live in London and i could not meet Sorin, he is my one of my favourite teachers on youtube.
This is an amazing product. It gives back life to so many batteries that will be otherwise recycled.
$199 here in the US.. I am thinking I might get one.. I do not work on laptops much but I do occasionally.. and like you say it is cheap and well worth the price.. Thanks Sorin that is some tool you found there.. a money maker and a problem solver.. you could not ask for more eh? thanks, carry on!
Спасибо интернету, ютубу и Вам за то, что я имею возможность узнавать, что-то новое! Очень интересно и познавательно!! Разработчику тестера отельная благодарность за труды!
thanks so mush .i was looking for good tools for batary in my shop i have ...400 waiting but with this tools im very happy .thanks sorin for sharing this new tools with us .yu are the best
Использую это чудо устройство уже на протяжении месяца . Это самая шикарная вещь которую я приобрел .
Так как очень много батарей после коматоза отремонтированы и нашли своих владельцев:)
This is fully worth the price, since I bought this this was very usefull
The fact that it reads the resistance of each cell it’s amazing device. When I reuse old death laptop battery, we do the resistance testing. Nice 👍🏼
The device calculates the internal resistance, it does not read it, it is not stored in the chip. To compute internal resistance the battery needs to be functional.
Last October I bought Tester firmware version 1.10. I use it almost every day from the moment of purchase.
The number of revived battery is high
Nice tool for a shop.
I check battery’s with a electronic load for capacity. I have the time to do it this way.
The way you test a battery will give you the real capacity. (Charge it, then discharge and measure how much energy the battery can deliver).
The software gives a result almost instantly. This can only be based on data stored in the package. It should be fairly accurate but you cannot be sure. Especially not when the battery was sent in with a laptop for repair. So checking the battery with a load, like you do, is the only way to be 100% sure imo.
I do like the NBLA tool though because it can read the data and recalibrate etc.
I use an IMAX6 balance charger (made for RC batteries) and with the discharging charging cycle the capacity info as been spot on. It's around $35 for an authentic one because there are cheap Chinese replica out there that do catch on fire.
@@vadimbellous8313 re: "IMAX6 balance charger"
Those required access to the battery directly, right? And connection to each cell in the battery pack?
SUPER STUFF....Can't wait for stock arrival,Do resell Dell laptop batteries but costing a fortune getting laptops to suit the batteries.
Ohh the laptop batteries... What a pain... Very sensitive. You never know when you sell it if it is good. Perfect tool! Very nice find Mr Sorin!!
great tool that every technician should have !!!
It's Christmas again! Love new toys.
Thank you Sorin, all presentations are excellent, but today is top. Greetings from Slovenia.
if you add a few less than the full needed example 14800 only use 14000 the batery charge and can be fixed, sorry for the big price yet of the price , its a good part to be part of the repair shop but have to wait... maybe on 2021 see you , and love all your teaching school
Siron smiles like a child in a candy store :)
It's because he has helped someone. Happy like a child.
Romanians are very good with electronics and much more. I am glad I am one of them.
Great device make the job easier and quick happy with it, now i can store batteries hassle free
At 27 minutes, you are looking at a pack that has 1 cycle and you state it has good cells. The analyzer and you don't seem to notice that the cell voltage of the first cell is actually measured to be 0volts with an internal resistance of 1mOhm. That does not look like a good pack. The analyzer even hangs when trying to read the voltage of the first cell, indicating that something is going wrong. EDIT: However, for some reason the cells 1, 2, and 3 are present. So either the pack is incorrectly configured or the analyzer software has a bug?
Hi Timo, yes, it was a bug. It is already fixed.
I ordered the device to test and calibrate my lot of about 500 batteries. I have received the device from China and it works as expected. I like the author's support, he responds very fast over Whatsapp. The author, Nicusor, created even a special software for me to avoid a calibration message. He promised a new feature soon... for free !! Thank you Sorin for showing the device... I didn't know that such a tool exists
Can I get your WhatsApp number???
Pls my brother, how did you order for it and what site did you order it from because I need one in Nigeria?
@@lawallaiwola9116 Hello, you can see the order link on the video description
Hi to everyone! I would like to thank the person who design and develop this NLBA device. There is a loot of good batteries out there those manufacturers are locking just to make people spend money! Let us be honest if any of us peasants would do such thing we would go to jail! This Analyser have helped me sort through my battery stock. Many of them turn out to be in great shape. I had completely unresponsive batteries that I was able to awake, charge, grade and I learned that battery that was made in 2008 have 89% life in it and the cells are great having only 22 ohms of resistance…. CRAZY. I think this is so far the best device I bought this year a specially that it was not too expensive. This will be handy every day in my line of business as I resell laptop parts! Thank you! I have no problem recommending that to other people who have knowledge and a bit of common sense…. This will not repair any bad cells as this is impossible - bad cell needs to be replaced but it will do miracles when it comes to good cells that was blocked by so called protection! Anyone who deals with laptops or other electronics that use this type of battery should have this on hand! Period! I only hope that it will be constantly developed, that owner will take on board users suggestions as I bet there will be many and that we can save at least 50% of them batteries going to waist and destroying our planet! Once again Thank YOU!
Nice one Sorin, good finding, looking forward to getting one. thanks. see you around... now we need something similar for phones batteries and apple products batteries :)
Love Your channel
Hi friend that is Perfect👌
Thank you sir. Just bought it. Cost me 240 U.S. dollars with shipping and conversion. Thank you for the heads up!
@39:45 Sorin some batteries don't have cycling counter, so they will say that they are never cycled, but in reality - they were used. So don't trust the counter when it says 0... sometimes it might be true, sometimes not.. also... less than 100 mOhm isn't always a terrible battery imho, but I might be wrong. If the tool measures the resistance of the circuit inside of the battery and after that detects only the resistance of the battery, probably it's more accurate, if not... it's not 100% accurate.
In principle the cycle count is incremented after a cycle 0% -> 100% or close to that, if the battery is always charged and discharged in the range of 30-70%, cycle count will probably be zero. The cells test reads the voltage of each group of parallel cells in range of mV and the current in range of mA.
@@nipembedded9976 I have a FUJITSU S 760 original battery, it has been fully charged and discharged for many cycles I suppose, since it is probably 10 years old or more laptop. Now... when I check the cycle count - it says 0. Hard to believe that :)
6 views= 6 likes, woow you're the master
Prefect tool
Good teacher👏👏👏
We've just received our device and already managed to fix a couple of batteries! Great bit of kit, i suspect we will be wondering how we managed without it
Sorin Sir, You are great to make things easy to understand
if Sorin says it's good then it's good :) i'll buy it no questions haha
got battery welder so might as well get this thanks seron ;-)
Sorin could this be used on power tool batteries e.g. Makita dewalt Milwaukee? That would be a big big advantage..
Maybe a new market for a new product?
by the time he finished this video sorin was rich more with that tool
We bought this tool ~1 month ago. Device are awesome i recovered many Lenovo 68, 68+ batteries any many other battery, few dell. Device is worth this money!
My batteries are ok (3.4V each) but no voltage output (maybe 00.1V), can this reset BMS? If not, how to do it? (I’ve seen vid about eeprom and cp2112), just not clear about it.
@@daggy7893 same problem any solution ?
It is not very expensive to buy.
As always a great review from Sorin. I have been using the Laptop Battery Analyzer for about a month and I can only say that it is a great tool for all those who deal with service. The support is really fast and all inquiries are answered very quickly. Conclusion: a tool that will pay off very quickly :)
My batteries are ok (3.4V each) but no voltage output (maybe 00.1V), can this reset BMS? If not, how to do it? (I’ve seen vid about eeprom and cp2112), just not clear about it.
I love this tool and its prospects, almost as much as I love Sorin's excitement about the tool. I think this would come in very handy for other batteries, like drills etc.
Out of stock for 1/2 months...laptop pile stacking up high....
Mine just arrived! Very happy with it. Thanks Sorin for this useful review!
This is best tool i ever have in my repair shop. Have around 200 untested batteries in my store i accumulate over time. Make it immidiately around 70 pieces to work, all been droped voltage and can not revive it on laptops. With this tool u can bring it to life. 70 good batteries to sell around 20€ piece there is multiple income and can get back invested money instantly.
So big recovery procent ? My advice, don't let the batteries stocked for a longer period, they will over-discharge and will go into Lock state.
i always watch your videos,i learn a lot from you sorin. thank you ^_^ godbless always sorin
Helpful repair video 👍
When i go to their website to purchase it it says 658$ with licence 12 months of software which is 229$ so only device cost 329$ which is double than before 2 years idk why? :( did they become greedy or what ? :( i would really love to purchase it but this is alottt of money :( Also on ebay is 600+ pounds . Crazy
Because the device gets better and better in time, now it is Made in Romania, it has real CE and FCC certifications, it has more protections than before, it supports I2C, it supports DJI batteries, etc. Now the materials have a doubled price. Put all of these on the paper and try to keep the same price as before. Before covid everything was at the half of the price.
I've been with it for 2 weeks it can't be a better investment, I recommend 100 x 100. great
Are you in the UK, London? I'll come visit your shop.
feel you are bit silent after the Christmas vacation 😢😢 any way thanks
Great Channel Bro. Love it
Does it solve the X-mark problem ... Does it solve the problem of phantom shipping ... Does it solve the problem of slow shipping ... Does it solve the problem of sudden discharge ... Does it solve the problem of the shipping ratio that doesn't change
A very very brilliant idea to review this pro tools for laptop battery...thank you Sorin
Great tool, the best laptop battery i ever worked with. Great team from Romania.
Please, I have some questions. Does he reprogram the battery ... Does it explain the damaged cell ... Does the device have uses other than the laptop battery, I hope that there will be a complete explanation for the use in a simplified way I need one and how much is the cost of shipping to Egypt
Yes, the Chip Reset option can reset the chip.
Your " favorite " part is the repair section / tab , not sure if it's just a language issue or what ?
But repair implies that --- it is doing repair / fixing issues .
Most all laptop batteries us 18650 cells , some like Apple use envelope cells , but the voltage is controlled by the chemistry , so 18650 is from 3.2 - 4.6 , or nominal 3.8 + or - .2 .
Much like all chemistries , cells can be completely discharged , and when they reach 0 volts , they can reverse polarity , many chemistries this can be " repaired " , within limits .
So you may want to call the device manufacture & see if there is a program within this product that can " repair " that new / but dead battery ?
The problem with most chemistries is sulfating [ this is being use as a generic term , different chemistries use different terms for internal shorting created by low - to no voltage ] with lithium ion , and most lithium chemistries - these are called dendrite growth between anode & cathode of the cells .
The software page is called "Repair" because it computes the internal resistance after you replace the cells, it shows you if welding was fine. Also because it as the functionality to generate some special voltage patterns to revive those batteries that have been stored for a long time, are not detected by the laptop but do not have Permanent Failure flag set, so you can "revive" those batteries. Since the laptop batteries are "Smart" you cannot have access directly on the cells through battery connector.
@@nipembedded9976 So it reads like he could revive that new battery he tested ?
27:19 it's impossible that the first cell is good with readings 0mv , 1mohm … maybe some serious unbiased tests are required
It's impossible to measure resistance of each cell if they are connected in a string! For this you have desolder the cells and measure individually with 4 wire method.
Where is proper cell testing by standalone measurement device??? For all I know this can be total lie.
@@juliusvalentinas well said!
41:26 Sorin, why don't you push ''Wake up battery button'' ?
Why did you never use your "goldmine" in any of your videos?
I am very grateful to Sorin for introducing this great product in his video tutorial. Immediately ordered and now I use it everyday. However, I also want to thank the product developer for helping me with its setup and the issues that have arisen. Very friendly and helpful.
Thank you very much Sorin for this video. This is a very useful tool and I'm going to buy one immediately.
Please I need your help on iPad 4 activation lock, kindly make a video for it or redirect me to an old video that will help me. Thanks very much.
The model is:A1458
@18:34 - what about doing "wake up battery" before you read the cell info?
also try a discharge & charge to see if the cells are really dead.
How "Wake Up Battery" functionality works: there are batteries which are stored for a long period without beeing charged. It could be that some of them are over discharged, the internal chip from the battery still has no Permanent Failure flat set but the battery is not detected by the laptop. In this case "Wake Up Battery" functionality generates different voltage patterns trying to revive/wake up the battery.
In discharging graph you can track each cell voltage. Those cells which have higher impedance will have a higher slop. For a new battery the curves for all cells are almost identical, no differences between curves. If there are 2 good cells and 1 bad cell then on the graph you will see that the bad cell curve will have a higher slope, the voltage drop is higher for higher impedance.
What's in the box? What's in the $450 box? Arduino or Raspberry Pie? Place your bets everyone. That's a nice looking interface. Simple, functional, probably reliable. But that is expensive enough to make me think to look at some datasheets and probably just make one. For a shop 450 is no big deal, it will pay for itself pretty quickly. It's a cell balancer which you can make very easily with tp4056 boards and it speaks BMS which is the key selling point but only if you need that data. I'm sure if you balance the cells and hard reset the BMS you are back in business. You have a bunch of used batteries you want to sell so you need the numbers. Selling used batteries is a sketchy business. Sketchy not proper dodgey. I'm feeling like this might end up being a potential headache down the road. It's been 4 years since this was posted, I'm curious how it's all worked out. Any horror stories or juicy tidbits for us Sorin? Was it $450 4 years ago or did they gift it to you or what was the deal? How many pizza this is?
Sorin, Thanks for showing this thorough review. However, their site states, they are out of stock. When I emailed about availability, their response was for me to send money and they will fulfill when stock is replenished. Be careful when promoting and endorsing an unknown supplier that is skeptical enough of their own product they take money upfront before manufacturing. Your reputation is as stake, is my point.
Keep in touch with us so we can be properly informed.
Always pay with paypal, they will give u money back if something go wrong
@@electronicsrepairschool If you pay 2 months in advance then how can paypal refund?
i think is 6 months, but please check
@@electronicsrepairschool You have 20 days to file a claim, according to paypal.
Hi, currently we are running out of stock. We have sold all units in just few hours. To prepare a next lot now when China has issues is really difficult. Many people asked me to pay now in order to secure the price and to get one when it is back in stock. I have declined such options at the beginning but then I took it in consideration. So, for all comming inquiries (including you) I have presented 2 options: 1. I put you on the waiting list so I can contact you when the item is back in stock or 2. We think to release pre-order option: you can pay now and you have the benefit securing the price and one units once it is in stock (estimation end of april). Was the email not like this ? I have NOT released pre-order option, right now there is NO pre-order option, we are still thinking based on customer suggestions. Having pre-order option is really nice because you have a fixed price (it is very possible that China will increase the price) and because you will have an unit guaranteed. The next lot is limited. So, please don't ever think that I could take money without shipping the device. This is my product developed by me from scratch. Just check customers feedback and ask if they are happy and how is my support. I even offer remote session to explain how to use the device, for free...
We need to collectively demand that the manufacturers update the controller software so that when power is removed from the controller, it automatically resets to factory settings, or this hell will never stop until Mother Nature does her best to balance sooner or later.
Right to repair ? 🤔😕
Sorin, can you open it and show how exactly is made the communication part. For this price the USB should be optically isolated for at least 5kV, or it's very possible to burn your lab PC
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It is only a battery being tested. Why 5KV isolation needed?
@@uploadJ Because this device is mainly a charger and hence uses external power source, that's why
HI Sorin & Nicosor the NLBA Inventor. I ordered the NBLA Analyzer just before the lockdown started. Nicosor contacted me and offered me a refund because of the wordwide lockdown. It arrived here in SA this week. After contactinh him and receiving Software password after a online msg. My old HP laptop battery is fully charged after weeks of battling with its charging. now I hav to learn how to use it on my older Dell bateries. I love the software..
Thank you very much
Regards
Paul
ps Romenia is one of the top electronic produsing countries according to my SA friend working and living in Roemenia
thx for your lengthy explanation..
Hello, I have had this tool since May 2020, I mainly use it for battery diagnosis. In software version 3.0, the pinout detection is also very helpful.
Update 3.3.0 worked very well, is better now than it used to be, very good. THANKS
Sorin, I love you brother, but you just destroyed my 18650 harvest from computer shops. You won't find me sharing this video. You're still the man.. I guess good things or free things have to come to the end😟
That a really great bit of kit. No wonder you are happy.
The links mentioned in the video are the right links to buy this device.
The person whose number mentioned on the website is very professional and supportive person. Machine is very useful if you know how to use it. The machine ACTUALLY does reach your address when you order it. We are initially hesitant to order but once we spoke to the person, all issues were sorted.
5/5 for service and and support.
Thanks!
i like it. thank sr
in car batteries (the 12v starting battery) i was told you cannot check the batteries health if the battery is flat, it will show as bad if you do . I would be fully charging the batteries then checking the health of the cells.
The alchemy is different with each type batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/rising_internal_resistance
This is very good device. I make money with this device and I am about to make more. Thank you very much for your support. The device has much more value now with the reset/unlock option
Nice one sir...
Please sir make a video on how to read pcb of mobile phones and fault finding. Also the function of each components In charging section, network section power section and their faults and solution. Thank you.
kind of expected , SOLD OUT....
For 6 months ! 😎
An excellent device. Could test 50 batteries.
The most wonderful function of this device is to activate the battery in my countless sleep, and you can know the condition of internal batteries without disassembling the battery
this tool will not protect you from liars, unless you take a battery reading on arrival at the shop and print results with timestamp … then you can confront him.
Maybe I didn't get your point. You can read battery data and cells resistance before selling the laptop. Then, when the laptop arrives in shop due to a battery issue, you can do the log again and compare with what was at the time of sale. What has just jumped into my mind: you can perform a cells test and you can provide warranty for the battery based on the internal resistance. If the cells are very good you can provide even 6-12 months warranty, if the cells are poor you can provide 3-6 months warranty.
@@nipembedded9976 i'm talking about a customer (smart one) that comes to your shop with his laptop for some random fault NOT battery related. Now let's assume the battery is already bad or near dead at this point. if don't test it on arrival then you're f****d. On return the customer can argue that the battery was OK in the first place !
@@0dium. Of course, he can say that you even exchanged the battery :) Why NLBA1 won't protect you in this case ? You can simply detach the battery, connect it to the NLBA1 analyzer and show the customer the status of the battery, all of these when the customer leaves the laptop and signs the paper. You can even check if it is charging/discharging.
do you have a good keybord tester also ?
Very helpful Thank you well done keep up the excellent work.
Amazing 👍🏻
Have never seen Sorin so happy with a new toy :-) To use a quaint old english expression as happy as a pig in s***!!
I have purchased this device and found that it is the best tool I have for diagnosing Laptop Batteries. It is great for testing Batteries that you buy of the net to see if they perform as they should.
WOW. I just checked on this, they are sold out. Hopefully they will have more soon.. that’s a great tool.
you can send to heaven people who dislike this review and still say mmh! it's a little bit darker .... never grateful these people
fantastic and useful tool. could you give a practical example on the "repair / wake up battery" option? Is it possible to resurrect a dead battery? your videos are always very useful and instructive. thank you.
I can tell you from my experience. I had several batteries stored for a long time. The cells got over discharged but PF flag was not set. The laptop didn't recognize them. Then by applying a special voltage patterns the batteries get alive. You can do this trick manually paying with "Set Output Voltage" in Battery Information tab.
@@nipembedded9976 thanks for your answer
Man, that's a nice tool! Thank you for the review Sorin!
Side note, your review is on their website! www.laptopu.ro/
First of all thak you to de developer of the tool, only hu people like you Sorin share this kinds of videos thank you for all
Very good to describe it in detail
Not impressed at all by this product or Nicosor who is trying to get you to buy his annual fee of +- 300$ USD for a private owner who would repair maybe 10 batteries a year, so not worth it. I bought it, waited over 2 months to see if Nicosor would abide by my request to sell resets by usage, but to no avail. You have to buy the yearly license if you want to be able to reset some batteries. Moreover, don't forget you are bypassing the protection circuit from engineers at HP, Lenovo, Dell, etc. which are way more competent than Nicosor. So if you want to burn your house down, buy this and buy the license. In any event, it can only reset approx 1 on 20 batteries, so if you don't repair industrial numbers of batteries, this thing is useless. I put it in my spare parts bin. Sorin, I am suprised you don't tell the whole story, probably because Nicosor gave you the tool and the yearly license. How free gifts can twart someone's judgement.
Wonderfully done, and very happy about this tool. I only do diagnostic and repair at my shop, but this would still be worth it just for diagnostics.
If you have some spare time, could you do a short follow-up video showing the use on an internal laptop battery, and the "generic" method in the manual to identify unknown pin-outs?
This last part, and not knowing, is the only thing keeping me from making the purchase.
To identify the clock and data on the battery connetor you can check the internal zenner diodes connected on clock and data lines using a multimiter.
Nice bit of kit, Sorin, - I'm not sure about 'wet dream' though |-). Oh, and thanks for explaining about the components inside a battery.
WoW this tol i need a long time if you don't show this video maybe i never knew that this existed Sorin you are the best !!
Sorin making it look easy again...lol..Wow That Battery Kit Amazing...
I cant Stop my Laugh..Very funny..when you said Pins 3 &4 "They Are Protected " truly enjoyed this lovely video, God Bless you Sir..
Hello Sir, very good video, can i ask you question. Can i use this for cells only, like 18650 cells?? Please answer. thanks.
You can even serve some walk-in customers to check their batteries and perhaps print out some data document/graph for a small charge. I just bought a replacement battery for my laptop and it lasts only about 30-40 minutes, disappointing. Deffinitely not 5200 mAh. If I would have some visual proof I would claim my money back.
Exactly, this is the new feature added in December 2019, to measure the real capacity during discharging. Then you will know exactly you battery capacity.