Professional Laptop Battery Analyzer - LFC
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 13 ต.ค. 2020
- This video is a re-upload from Saturday, see bottom of description for details.
Big thanks to NIP Embedded Systems for sending in this unit, there was a lot of stuff to learn about it that I couldn't fit into a single video. The more I tinker with it, the more stuff I find that I can do with it, and the better my understanding gets.
After shooting this review I had a MacBook Pro in with a suspected failed battery - the battery is glued in, so it's not a trivial matter to swap it out for test. Plug in the Battery Analyzer, and bam, now I can check it in-situ before I go to the hassle of removing it.
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I posted this on Saturday, but de-listed it after receiving an alarming phone call about the device.
However, after taking the concerns into consideration, I concluded that one bad experience doesn't make this a bad product. The issues that I'd been told about have been resolved in the latest hardware revision featured in the video, and I'm satisfied that there's no cause for concern. - วิทยาศาสตร์และเทคโนโลยี
Just signed in to say thanks for uploading this video. I watched the Sorin one first, and this was the icing on the cake. Much appreciate your time and efforts for making this crystal clear.
Big shout out to you for the transparency with this re-upload. The honesty and care you give your fans is very much appreciated. And I will follow and support you for those 2 reasons. Look forward to more quality videos. Stay safe my dude. ✌
I just bought one of thes, I did not relise that you need to pay a licnecs fee to use it ?????? EDIT/UPDATE I have just canlled the order. A tool were you need to pay a licnce for it after you bought it ???
Tool and analyzer are lifetime/unlimited.
There is an option for chip programming (not all need it) which is not free.
It is clearly presented on the website. There is nothing else cheaper and better, it’s not like you have many to choose from.
@@TheSpotify95, thank you for the clrification , much apprciated.
Very Handy to Have! Thanks for sharing this with us Graham!
Hey Adam! Just found this video of yours. I bought one of these for work but I've never had time to properly research how to use it. This video is brilliant, I can't wait to get to work and try your tips out on it!
I really got a charge out of your new diagnostics tool as you gave it a battery of tests. I am seriously amped up and I think this is a positive move and a guaranteed sell for this product.
👍😎
Man you're really inspiring. Truth is, there is almost no shop that repairs stuff in my city because we kind of throw things and buy new ones given the high cost of labour but if I had your skills and knowledge I think I'd go all in to make a small computer repair shop. The idea sounds daunting. I hate when I can't fix something and I know it's gonna happen all the time. Thanks for sharing your stuff on TH-cam. Wish you all the best.
maybe you should gather and sell those used batteries in bulk to folks who can fix... I can fix. Sell them to me!!
This tool saved us a lot of time getting over discharged batteries back to life. What is even better, that getting support for every question is easy and fast on their forums!
I have this device and this review helped me learn even more. If any one is interested it is a great tool and having a database of connection for multiple batteries is great. Definitely worth the money. Thanks Adamant and NIP for a great device and a good information
Got mine! I love this thing. I have like 30 batteries laying around my shop that I have no clue what the status of them are. This tool is super handy.
UPDATE: Now NLBA comes with 10 FREE Days for Reset/Unlock/Repair option. Easy to recover the investment. For existing customers, 10 FREE Days for Reset Option can be offered upon request.
Another great review. You explained very well the features of this device. I would like to add some more info to avoid any confusions:
If the battery is in Lock state it cannot be "Revived". If a battery has bad cells then nothing in the world can "repair" the battery.
Steps to repair a battery:
1. Detect the defect (in many cases it is due to over discharged cells) -> NLBA can do it
2. Fix the defect by replacing the cells or bring all cells to the same voltage.
3. Reset/Reprogram the chip to clear the errors (NLBA for the moment supports BQ8030 chip reset and I will add more chips soon). This step is very difficult because all chips are secured. Latest chips have even SHA256 bit.
4. Analyze the cells voltages by measuring the internal resistance and tracking the voltage under load -> NLBA can do it.
This is an amazing product. It gives back life to so many batteries that will be otherwise recycled.
that's a super-cool tool! Thanks for the review!
Excelente Review, yo sigo esperando la unidad después de dos meses en tránsito espero llegue pronto saludos gracias por su tiempo
Great stuff. Thanks for sharing. Cheers, Nico
what, no 20% discount code? lol. great vide btw. appreciate the honesty in the description and the re-upload :)
Great video / great that you show mistakes on way as educates everyone if they come across that problem / thank you
Great review, very useful!
Once again Great Video.
Great review! I so want one!
Hello, I have had this tool since May 2020, I mainly use it for battery diagnosis. In software version 3.0, the pinout detection is also very helpful.
I have bought this tool to test my big lot of laptop batteries, about 1000pcs. It helps me a lot to see which one is working and how good it is. You don't need lots of laptops to test the batteries. Just one NLBA and you are done. Version 3.00 is great because it shows Battery Pinout, you don't need to search for clock, data, gnd, system present. I am happy with this product.
Its good explanation of the unit and got my own unit. the unit is good for assessment and testing of a lot of different laptop batteries. This unit has also capability to fix errors on the batteries like locked and wrong cell info.
Well done review!
Thanks for another great video! I might have to pick one of those up, I have a super old Toshiba Satellite A40 I want to restore, there I cannot find any type of replacement battery or charger. And come across a bunch of dead batteries pretty often. Thanks for making this video and the review :-) have a nice night or day!
After the video from sorin, I bought this product. A well-made product. Very simple software, easy for everyone. You don't need a specialized technician. Very good communication with support, forum involved. Resetting, calibrating, testing, all with just a few clicks, I recommend it to everyone.
Can it reset or unlock chip
Very good Product!
This is fully worth the price, since I bought this this was very usefull
I don’t think this product is useful “to us” in its current form. But due to its low cost, I bought one anyway, in hopes it’s future development will yield better capabilities “for us”. I think this device would sell like crazy, if it could write to internal controllers. Replacing cells and unlocking the chip, would be a HUGE game changer. Without that, it’s just a glorified reporting machine IMHO. I’m with Graham, if a battery is bad with a locked chip, why bother. Nothing this device can do. It’s cheaper and less of a headache to just buy new $20-$30 batteries.
There are 2-3 softwares (just software) in the world that could reset/reprogram the chip. They cost up to $1000 per year. Most of the chips are very well secured, that's why the price is high. I will add more chips soon for affordable prices.
@@nipembedded9976 Specifically, what are these programs that cost $600 more than the Professional Laptop Battery Analyzer?
Wow that’s a pretty nice tool thanks for sharing👍
In playbook days when you discharged it Right down and it refused to charge even leaving it plugged in overnight a trick called stack charging got the battery up to the minimum enough to charge !basically you plugged in the charger and then immediately out a score or so of times if nothing, you repeated it. It works by putting in a tiny amount of charge at a time until the control board wakes up and charges normally.
Never chuck dead battery packs out its generally a dead cell the rest maybe fine ,i power all my torches with old laptop batteries you just have to use a small pcb charge circuit (from ebay) to safely charge them as the batteries themselves do not have built in protection circuits or a decent charger with overheat protection as bad ones heat up fast!
Best device for laptop batteries and happy to see chip reset option which allow me make and repair old laptop batteries
I'm glad I read the description. I thought I'd traveled through a worm-hole or something! I was about to rush out and get winning lottery tickets 😂😂😂🇬🇧
Yes I was terribly confused for a while.
Great video and thaks for sharing! Greetings from Mexico City.
Nice bit of kit, but the biggest problem I have found with laptop batteries is when the control chip renders the whole battery faulty locking it from being used ever again. If this machine will be able to reset locked control chips in the future it will turn it from a handy tool to have into a must have tool.
Right now BQ8030 Sanyo chip can be Reset/Unlocked using NLBA. Soon more chips.
I highly recommend this device. no other device in market compete this one.
Update 3.3.0 worked very well, is better now than it used to be, very good. THANKS
Great! Enjoyed that one =D
That's a great bit of equipment :-D, it also shows the cheap batterys for what they really are.
I have had to jumpstart batterys to get them to talk again, but the case has to be cracked open and power applied.
An odd cell that's stubborn can be charged a bit as well.
Some people use the device to measure the real capacity of the new after market batteries. NLBA has a function that can measure the real capacity of the battery. So you will know exactly how much mAh a battery has. Also Impedance tracker could easily help you to see how good are the cells of any working battery.
@@nipembedded9976 What is NLBA? Care to share, thanks!
@@samcheung4984 It is a Laptop Battery Analyzer.
@@nipembedded9976 Multiple programs already on the market, for example AIDA64 and even some free ones, already give very detailed diagnostic info on laptop batteries. Things like design capacity, charge level, current capacity, wear level, etc etc. They don't show detailed per cell info like this tool though.
@@nicT9 Such softwares like AIDA works only with the battery connected to the machine where AIDA is installed, works only if the battery is good, it shows you only a few basic information. What to do with it in a laptop repair shop ? Think that you can have tons of laptop batteries, to test analyze, create reports (charging/discharging), test cells' condition, revive or even Repair using Chip Reset Option. None of this can be done with AIDA.
Mmm 225,= dollar is it worthy for getting old batteries alive.
For that money you can buying several new ones.
But you're explanation is spot on and give us inside information that a battery is not just some cells in a row....🔋🔋🔋
Thanks Graham.
Yes, a laptop battery is very complex. They are built-in microcontrollers that run complex firmware. The device is an advanced analyzer for almost all laptop batteries, not only for old. The latest software version supports the Reset/Reprogram feature for the BQ8030 chip with Sanyo firmware and soon more and more chips will be added.
world no 1 Device and excelent Teem they Developed this and also making Video for us
It's such a good review.. I have bought 1 device i got it today i'm already testing and it's good device i hope for new updates mostly RESET part it's much interesting
Great. Have in mind that RESET option is for BQ8030 chip only. You can find the chip in Static Parameters -> Detected Chip Name.
Использую это чудо устройство уже на протяжении месяца . Это самая шикарная вещь которую я приобрел .
Так как очень много батарей после коматоза отремонтированы и нашли своих владельцев:)
well made video
Hi to everyone! I would like to thank the person who design and develop this NLBA device. There is a loot of good batteries out there those manufacturers are locking just to make people spend money! Let us be honest if any of us peasants would do such thing we would go to jail! This Analyser have helped me sort through my battery stock. Many of them turn out to be in great shape. I had completely unresponsive batteries that I was able to awake, charge, grade and I learned that battery that was made in 2008 have 89% life in it and the cells are great having only 22 ohms of resistance…. CRAZY. I think this is so far the best device I bought this year a specially that it was not too expensive. This will be handy every day in my line of business as I resell laptop parts! Thank you! I have no problem recommending that to other people who have knowledge and a bit of common sense…. This will not repair any bad cells as this is impossible - bad cell needs to be replaced but it will do miracles when it comes to good cells that was blocked by so called protection! Anyone who deals with laptops or other electronics that use this type of battery should have this on hand! Period! I only hope that it will be constantly developed, that owner will take on board users suggestions as I bet there will be many and that we can save at least 50% of them batteries going to waist and destroying our planet! Once again Thank YOU!
"Adam" has the best toys😁
You do know his name is not Adam, right? lol. It's Graham.
@@za-se4jv gonna guess from the channel name... Adam ant IT ??? ... IDK. lol.
Sure does!
Its made in Romania, city near by me, i have this tool, very very handy
perfekt work
Wow, that thing is sweet.
The website seems to have fallen asleep and isn't responding. Will check it later when hopefully it is back.
This is a comprehensive device. I love what it can apparently do. It should be noted that the hardware and basic, but nice looking, software simply test and diagnose batteries. To reset the safety features of overly discharged batteries, for possible recovery, one must subscribe to their error clearing software to the tune of $200- a year..... Code to twiddle with the bits of TI gauging chips is free from TI.
Nice bro
Very easy to use.
we just got our device today and after having a fiddle with some batteries we've managed to get a couple of them up and running again. Its one of those tools we will be wondering how we did without it
I bumped into the Fuel gauge stuff years ago (when Laptop batteries were NiMH) and 'talked' to the chips a few times with an LPT interface, one thing I found was that running a few charge/discharge cycles then forcing a re-cal often gave much better results, I wonder if that would be the case with the recovered HP pack?
Hearing "Batt-Trees" will never stop amusing me.
We need something like this for mobile phone
Learn an important stuffs.. thank you..
The one thing that was not brought up in this video is the perspective of battery building and repairs. The controller in the battery is pre-programmed at the factory, and it follows the life of the original cells. However, when you go into the battery and replace a cell, the controller must be re-programmed. Even worse, if you do a total rebuild of a battery for, example a laptop where the battery is no longer available, a full re-programming of controller for the newly replaced cells is necessary. Some people think that, for example cell two is bad, I can just go in there with a spot welder and replace the battery, and the controller will automatically recognize it. No, it won't, and you need a tool like the NLBA1 to perform a full re-programming of the controller. So yes, this might not be as valuable in a PC repair shop, as most repairs are just part swaps. But if your business is building custom batteries, or re-building batteries for older laptops, then this is a killer tool to have.
You are absolutely right. One mention, NLBA device is a battery analyzer, since February 2021 we started introducing programming chip option (which is not free).
cool and informative video, i was messing about with a used t410s battery and lenovo power manager, i managed to increase its capacity by repeatedly charging and discharging it like 4 times, however then i run prime95 while discharging and the battery droped abruptly from like 70% to 5% even tough it worked just fine with a light load, the capacity in power manger also dropped, i was kinda disappointed but something to look out for
Can you try to perform a Full Charge -> Full Discharge -> Full Charge cycle ? Full Discharge is achieved when laptop doesn't not power up on battery.
Thanks man I really appreciate your video was helpful..
But I wish you can make a video on how to connect the uniform short wire of battery connector ,
Like how it can be connected to the socket and batteries too...
Am talk about making connect internal batteries to the device...
What an interesting little device! Lots of fun for battery nerds 😆🌱 and for putting new cells into old batteries I imagine. I wonder if it could be put to use to allow LifePO4 cells to be fitted for a less explosive risk (but less runtime) edition laptop?
To use different chemistry requires more steps. I recommend to be done only in a specialized shop.
Last October I bought Tester firmware version 1.10. I use it almost every day from the moment of purchase.
The number of revived battery is high
what a great video - how to learn from a Professional ;;
Nice 👍
My macbook air (late 2010) had no charge (charger broken and didn't need the laptop) and sat without charge in it for around 9 months (i think, or longer). To my surprise it did charge up all on it's own (incredibly slowly at first... macos said 0% for about an hour..).
The large internal resistance probably explains why i've got an old laptop, and under heavy CPU load at below 80% battery, it'll just cut out.. it's an old cheap replacement.. likely voltage droops under heavy load below minimum cutoff.
This is usually happening when the FCC (Full Charge Capacity) parameter does not reflect the current state of the cells. You kept the battery 9 months, the state of the cells decreased due to their chemistry behaviour in time but the microcontroller has the old information about the cells state. One option would be to charge the battery 100% in the laptop then discharge it to 0% then back to 100% in order to update the FCC. Some batteries firmware does not allow a difference in calibration cycle more than 10% of the original FCC.
Typo in the output report, chemistry is spelt wrong
This is indeed a very nice device and I've seen it before and I really like it, though I can't see too many uses for it if you think about it - the average service centers will not bother with "consumables". They'll just toss the battery and get a new one - no need working out if it's dead or not :)) The only reason to get is to get serious use out of it and that would only happen if your shop specializes in batteries or enforces some sort of rule about giving out a full report on ever battery in the products that come in. If it can't yet hack into the controller chips to reset them and make refurbishing batteries possible, it wouldn't see much use. Even after the fact, a replacement battery would probably outweigh the time/effort needed to replace cells and stuff...
Several use cases:
- checking a lot of batteries if they are good or not, is the battery charging/discharging then use it or list it on eBay
- reviving those overstocked batteries that are not detected by the laptop but still not in LOCK state
- for a laptop which is not charging the battery you will know if the battery is faulty or the motherboard
- calibrate the battery to report the correct SoC to windows
- you want to transport used laptop batteries by plan then you can use Test Report which is according to the IATA standard
- you want to recycle many batteries by extracting the good cells but you don't know how good they are, by checking the cells voltages you know if the battery worths to be unpacked or not. Unpacking a battery is not so simple
- for those who resell non-OEM batteries, such a tool can measure the real capacity and compare with what is written on the label
- an probably most important use case: to Reset battery chips or copy the image from a good battery to a bad one. Now it supports BQ8030 but I already have the solution to Reset/Reprogram all BQ20ZXXX, BQ20XXX, BQ3042X, R2J240. It's a matter of time to implement it in the software.
There are discussions with a team from Ukraine to implement resetting 99% chips on the market through NLBA. How would be to reset DJI and Apple batteries?
pls I want to get this stuff for laptop battery business... May main concerns is if I can reset or unlock the chip to change the cycle and maybe use the board for refurbished battery....
pretty cool toy for your shop
excelente herramienta
Dam. Its Sold out!
The current graphed in blue seems upside down as increasing current goes down the screen. Gentle ramp er 'up' in current to start is good to see.
Isn't because of negative current ?
Yea negative current is shown as going down from the top of the graph.
I didn't really want to drill into preferences in the video, but it'd be really handy to be able to customise the graphs, either axis or colours, as they can be hard to read at times. It's completely usable, but could be clearer.
@@Adamant_IT Good option for next updates. Thanks.
When the battery is drained, the button cell drains it to below 0%. For Asus, this minimum is 3.33 V for all pairs of cells. The draining lasts for 3 days. For Acer, this process lasts for 3 weeks. That's important for the battery maintanance, but only professionals do this. When the battery is in perfect shape, the laptop reaches its maximum even if it is Ac online with the battery is removed. A bad battery inserted can disable the performance gained by the new battery.
The links mentioned in the video are the right links to buy this device.
The person whose number mentioned on the website is very professional and supportive person. Machine is very useful if you know how to use it. The machine ACTUALLY does reach your address when you order it. We are initially hesitant to order but once we spoke to the person, all issues were sorted.
5/5 for service and and support.
Thanks!
Thank you
I want one of these.
that's a nice toy you got there!
You can charge the battery direct. Without the chip to jumpstart it. Drill 2 holes and charge it.
Did you try it ? It won't work, the chip controls charging and discharging MosFETs, if the chip is in Lock state then you need to reset the chip.
Thanks for the video Graham (must have missed it first time around). I would get one cos it's cool even though I don't have a repair business. Usually on car batteries you connect positive first then negative and reverse when disconnecting. Don't know if this applies laptop batteries though.
hi for apple battery what number of resister that you connect from T to G
You would really use the AutoCycle/calibration if you replaced a cell (or all the cells) in a battery so that the controller updates to recognise as much
If you plan to reset the chip please note that NLBA for the moment supports only BQ8030 from Sanyo. So, for this chip you can set FCC parameter and you don't need to calibrate the battery. FCC is Full Charge Capacity which can be edited for this chip.
@@nipembedded9976 are you the guys making these? They look very interesting. How can I get hold of one in NZ?
@@darrenslab5537 There are no guys, just one :D You can check on www.laptopu.ro
@@nipembedded9976 sweet dude. Have you published the protocol for talking to the box? I am a Linux guy. Happy to write the software myself - but any documentation always helps :)
@@darrenslab5537 No, the protocol between PC and Device is not public.
Whenever I'm doing wiring for a device that is used on a Raspberry Pi 3/4, that uses I2C I use the same colors wires, but I make the yellow wire the clock wire and green is data. I'm going to get one of these battery analyzers, I'll need to save up for it.
Dell D600 battery (C1295) With a jumper between Ground and the SYS PRESENT pin I can measure voltage and discharge the battery using a R/C charger /discharger. However I can not charge at the out most pins. No current flow goes into the battery.
If I put the battery back in the laptop it will charge it full again. Would you know if I need another jumper to allow the battery to accept charging?
The most wonderful function of this device is to activate the battery in my countless sleep, and you can know the condition of internal batteries without disassembling the battery
Does anyone know what camera he uses for showing his bench top? I’d really like to start recording my repairs for easy of putting things back together.
Hi, I have just purchased this device but am having issues getting batterys to read.. any advice?
Check the date format on the report, it's in the American style of MM/DD/YYYY and can be misleading as to when the test was actually carried out.
You are right. I will take care of it in the next updates. Thanks for feedback.
Can you use this tool to rewrite the battery capacity after adding higher capacity cells?
Yes, if the batteries have BQ8030 Sanyo chip. Soon more chips will be added.
@@nipembedded9976 Have you added more chips? Which ones? How common are those chips , as in, are they rarely seen in batteries or covers majority of today's batteries? how much market coverage will we get with current batteries?
@@nicT9 Are you talking about Chip Reset option ? At this moment we can Unseal and Reset about 80-90% of batteries on the market.
Does the chip inside the laptop battery handle cell balancing? On rc lipo batteries you have a separate balance lead in addition to the power leads that connects on to the smart charger. I wouldnt force charge a battery and leave it unattended otherwise you could come back to a fire
Exactly, the chip inside the battery is responsible for balancing, monitoring the temperature, tracking the capacity and many many other things. Most batteries have an internal let's say "programmable fuse" which could be burned by the chip in case a failure is detected, so no input/output current.
Link from where to order tester?
What a great instrument and software? I'd never heard of it. Can we recharge a battery (i mean when the voltage has got too low that it couldn't be charged by itself) with a power supply only using positive and negative pins? Thank you very much
There are some batteries that can take some current but most of them not. For example Dell uses a special command to activate the charging MOSfet, same for discharging. The charging procedure is complex and must be done according to the smart battery charger standard. For example you must read the temperature sensor, you need to charge the battery with Pre Charge current first then to switch to constant current and after that to Constant Voltage. Also some alarms must be monitored. Anytime a failure is detected you must disconnect the power. Using all these information you could charge a battery let's say to about 80-90% but from 90% to 100% it is more difficult because some batteries require Pulse Charging like PWM other require some sleep periods and so on. It is different from brand to brand.
@@nipembedded9976 You're absolutely a charging expert, thank you.
Please, I have some questions. Does he reprogram the battery ... Does it explain the damaged cell ... Does the device have uses other than the laptop battery, I hope that there will be a complete explanation for the use in a simplified way I need one and how much is the cost of shipping to Egypt
The device contains an advanced laptop battery analyzer. It is simple to analyze and understand what is the problem with the battery. It shows exactly what cells are the problem. You can check more details here: www.laptopu.ro .
So it is like using a defibrillator for a old disabled battery
I was trying to charge up an old lenovo battery. The pwr manager said 48:00 hours remaining and never finished charging. I opened the batterypack and found three corroded batteries inside. Time for a new or toss it out :P (The dead batteries were reading 0,3 V)
It's ideal for checking for bad cells which might be replaceable?
I have a Toshiba netbook which I bought for light use before tablets became very popular and less expensive, after 5-6yrs of non use I fired it up and the battery was dead! I took a punt and started to remove and install the battery hoping it would jolt it into starting, after about 15-20min it finally woke up, I initially thought the battery wouldn't be any good but after 3-4 charges its like new with about 10% wear on it! Now all I've got to do is replace the battery on my Samsung note! 😂
NLBA device can check the cells as soon as the Voltage is present on the battery connector.
Im fixing vintage laptop and I need to recover it, dont have spare part. Any tips? Siemens Nixdorf 710, 510, PCD-4ND, PCD-5ND, Compaq LTE 5300. All these I have and want to fix.
When you change the cells, most battery controllers reject the new cells.
Can you reset this?
Yes, if the chip inside the battery is BQ8030 Sanyo firmware. Soon I will add more chips.
you can also use be2works, it has much better controller support.
Can that analyzer reset a laptop battery that you rebuilt? If you take a laptop battery, replace all the cells, or a few, can that cool tool reset the BMS? Also, can that be hooked up to a laptop to see if the m/b is charging properly? Thanks & great demo of this nice device! 🤓😁 what macbook pro batteries, by battery #, can this test?
After replacing the cells you have to reset the chip. At the moment BQ8030 Sanyo chip can be reset. Soon more chips will be added. The device cannot check if the motherboard is charging properly, but it can check if the battery is working properly so you can deduct if the motherboard is good or not.
@@nipembedded9976 ok thank you. There are literally hundreds of different laptop batteries! 🤓 thank you too, mr graham, for sharing the analyzer
So it's a defibrillator for laptop batteries 🤣
Want! Hope for more competition so the price drops below $100 for hobbyists.
You can get it much cheaper yourself, using recycled components and thousands of hours of documentation/learning/reinventing the wheel
@@Simion_T hahaha touche but i'll wait.
dont you have a website?
Is this not a repost video adamant?