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I actually knew a psychopath in high-school. Kinda cool guy, did pretty much whatever he wanted. He simply didn't seem to want anything that would sit outside general social rules, and saw no point in being aggressive, forceful, or violent unless he needed to.
Yes! there is a difference between psychopathy and sadism. A strictly raised or religious psychopath can become a seemingly well adjusted individual. Rarely great parents, but can become decent foster parents with the right motivation
"Is your child dead? It is a return. Is your wife dead? It is a return. Are you deprived of your estate? Is not this also a return?" Epictetus. Stoicism is pretty psychopathic
We have to be careful when we are using our empathy while dealing with these dark triad personalities as they will absolutely see that as just another lever to push or pull.
Stare too long into the abyss... the abyss stares back. Feeling the void of one such as these is draining in the extreme. Do not engage. Grey rock. Stay away if possible. Life leeches. Vitality vampires. Soul succubi. AVOID THEM 🙏
you're incorrect because these people deserve zero empathy during that place and time, best thing you can do is turn away and never look back. if you're stuck with them, use your fists they;re there for a reason but i didnt use them and i regret it a lot, its fight or flight(literally) with these people
@lukca43 stare too long into the abyss brother... the abyss stares back. Careful... removing empathy is just taking you one step closer to becoming one of THEM 🙏
It's also possible to care about somebody and not allow them to control you. For most of these conditions, their actions are based on control. Because they never had that control over their lives when they were young. Or in the case of psychopathy, they are just born without the ability to physically feel emotions. Behind (almost) every bad person is usually a broken child who never got to see the good things in life
Psychopaths don't come across as scary, not unless they're out-of-control A-listers. Quite the opposite actually, they are known for being very charming and disarming. Same with the narcissist, which is why it can be hard to tell the two apart at first. But the narcissist is fragile and needy, whereas the psychopath is truly confident and doesn't care. Sociopaths, on the other hand (pw ASPD like the psychopath but the two are different) usually come off as scary or unhinged... that's because sociopaths have stronger emotions than a psychopath. And Machiavellianism, even though it's listed in the Dark Triad, isn't really a personality trait. It's a cut throat strategy... a methodology for getting what you want. Who would you find practicing Machiavellianism? Greedy corporations and selfish people. That would include narcissists, sociopaths, and psychopaths.
Although in psychoanalysis Machiavellianism is part of the dark triad. But the DSM seems to alter every now and then. It's just to filter diverse disorders and label them, their common trait is egoistic manipulation.
But they make up stuff a lot.. what if sociopath , narcissism and Machiavelli are just normal and not a clinical condition to be treated. They deem it as not normal under the social construct we live in..
You can call the dark triad and its components by other names. Venturing down a semantic rabbit hole. The important thing to be aware of is that these sorts of individuals are at the top of the current hierarchy.
@sna you only think that because what affects themselves or others must be bad in your opinion. These are inherited traits too. If These traits survived for long. How can it be bad or unnatural. Obviously too much narcissism is rare and might have been wiped out but everyone has certain amount of narcissism, Machiavelli and psychopathy. Some have none too and they are rare because they might be wiped out too through natural selection.
@@litty4553It was all in the mix. The batter. The inflationary rise of the narcissists, psychopaths, sycophants, crybabies, SJWs, sheeple, zombies, order following thugs, etc. All the worst traits. The ingredients necessary for the slow motion collapse of civilization. The cake is already baked, and crumbling. Nothing new under the daystar. Same as it ever was.
One of the greatest problems in nearly all societies is that those seeking power, are the ones that we least want to have power. People that really could handle and use power wisely, often do not seek authoritarian positions. Human nature, again misguided.
Because it's the kind of person who most often strives to attain authority. Others see authority as a burden and only take it on when they see it as necessary to maintain a standard of living for someone incapable of taking authority over themself such as a child or an adult with a developmental disorder but these toxic personalities like narcissists see authority as a personal opportunity.
Had a bit of machiavelic personality. I was always acting innocently but secretly manipulative. I never quite understood what i was doing though. I just did what i knew that worked in order to get my neeeds met. I later on learned to meet my own needs and now i no longer feel like i want to manipulate anybody. I still think i can, but i usually catch myself doing it, stop, and then do conscious shadow work to heal and integrate this part.
I mean... I have none of these traits, but I do know I CAN do it... I used to kinda do it for the fun of it, but not in any malicious way. Usually just making someone believe some useless fact and see how long or far I can go with it, or until I was bored, then tell them I was bullshit ting or something like that... Again, I did it more for the fun of it than to get anything
@@MRDX-ej4yq being ahead is a good idea, but please do try to do so in an honest way and don't manipulate anyone for it. Trust me, eventually the truth will come out, and if people catch on to the fact that you may lie or manipulate, they will immediately be careful around you. It may become much harder to do, and people may even be much less willing to do something for you, either out of spite, out of dislike or just because they think it may be some scheme to get something and it may end up having negative consequences for them. And that may happen by chance, by someone accidentally finding out, and some people are very receptive, like myself (not trying to brag but fuck it). Those people may almost immediately catch on if you try to deceive them, or after the first time they find out, not let you know and just be very careful or even stop interacting with you. They may also tell others to be wary and maybe even to not let you know either to make sure they can more easily catch you doing it and adapt to that plan. Meanwhile, if you do something honestly, people may sometimes tell you know, but that may be for a good reason, for your own good, or just because. But in the long run, most people will be fine with doing a favor for you and do it more often. If people can depend on you, you are more likely to be able to depend on them consistently as well. It won't only be generally easier (at least in my opinion), it will also make life easier in general because you won't have to keep finding new people to manipulate if they catch on.
@@mikethegoo manipulation doesn't have to be malicious, you just have to give an idea that would be willing to agree and choose it without false information as well as manipulating them by you actions and gestures, personally I have machiavellian traits but i mostly use it to make people to be wary of messing with me, nothing too malicious just mentioning screwed up facts which could be useful in real life allowing me to come off as helping them while making them think what i could do to them if they seriously screwed with me, it isn't malicious and the facts can genuinely help them on life so it technically isn't bad but that's my experience
As a narcissist, making your loved one’s aware of your condition can help. Telling them how to deal with it can make things easy. Hiding and trying to use it as an advantage will only make your loved ones discard you.
Yo bro did u ever threaten your sister or family member to kill her pet or some bc i did i also tend to always lie and manipulate and bully the ones below me ive been wondering if i am a narcissist not only bc of my very low empathy bc also of other factors
Check the DSM criteria for the Narcissistic (NPD) versus Antisocial Personality Disorder (ASPD, sociopathy, psychopathy) and you will see that they share many characteristics, some of which manifest in Machiavellian behavior. In other words, the triad is a spectrum of similar personality traits viewed from different directions. As to the "ego insecurity" of narcissists, I think it's quite often a matter of firm belief in personal-superiority coupled with reactivity to others' failures to "acknowledge" their "inherent superiority" = "How dare you criticize me?!"
The DSM is of Psychiatry, not Psychology. Sadly the victim narrative paid off and people believe these monsters are people. The only personality disorder that showed they were predators was the Sadistic Personality Disorder from the DSM-III-R but then it was removed. Why? Cause it didn't fit their narrative. Psychiatry isn't a science, it's a business masking as a science and the DSM is used for insurance claims. Thankfully the DSM-V got it's funding pulled due to lack of validity by the NIMH. But the damage has been done. Everyone thinks it's a personality disorder when its really aggressive personalities with character disturbance. Dr. George Simon is underrated.
@@LATEXXJUGGERNUT The full title is "Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders". It is not, however, a textbook of neurology. Did you not know that psychiatrists deal with human psychology --- specifically, the problematic manifestations thereof? If you wish to stroke your ego through irrelevant, semi-semantic quibbles, I suggest that you contemplate the criteria for Narcissistic Personality Disorder (NPD) and Antisocial Personality Disorder (ASPD, sociopathy, psychopathy). “...for the eye sees not itself, but by reflection, by some other things.”
That's an interesting overview. I am a psychopath, And my advice to parents raising a psychopath is to raise him with a strict moral code. In my case the biblical law was what kept me in line and away from serious crime. One thing I have to add is that we as psychopaths have a very strong sense of right and wrong but just like everything else, it has to be learned.
@@fatimasow6887 If he's ever hurt anyone at least he knows himself well enough to recognize it. You on the other hand seem like someone who spews out vitriol without the awareness of who you might hurt. In this case, you should be more like the psychopath.
2:00 "when you are a psychopath, you come across as cold and scary" - absolutely wrong information. Psychopaths actually come across as charming and funny even. Although the charm proves to be only superficial, eventually, when your usefulness to them ends and hence they stop prtending to care about you.
thats, i believe, more of a sociopath trait, since they dont feel emotions, they fake emotions in order to get the info they need, sociopaths are not violent in nature. i may be wrong
@@HEATHENS5074 False. In contrary to the popular belief, psychopaths and sociopaths both DO have emotions, they just don't believe that other people have them too. Also, sociopaths don't fake empathy. They just don't care about others. Psychopaths don't care about others either, but they fake empathy to extract an advantage from others. You'll find videos supporting both the information above on TH-cam.
Out of all the dark triad personalities, I always had a more negative feeling towards Machiavellianism. I am a very empathetic person who has so much regards for morals. I haven’t really delved into psychology in a while, which is why this refresher of what Machiavellianism is was… startling. I’m just realizing that in my shadow personality, I become the exact opposite of my optimistic, free-spirited empath personality in exchange for one that aligns more to the definition of Machiavellianism. Except that is at a very low scale.
@@wubbalubbadubx2 Yes, I have started. I have not gone far though because as with all things self; it's scary. In all honesty, I've just been busy pursuing an engineering degree which requires me to completely abandon myself for the 5 years it takes to earn the degree.
My dad was narcissistic and definitely suffered from perfectionism🔱. I inherited this trait, but throughout the years I've learned that having unrealistic expectations on myself and others is a recipe for disaster, and so I've lowered all expectations. I've lowered the pressure on myself and the pressure I put on others and I am a much happier person because of it.
uh yeah that's because each of the three represents one of each trait. Dante is the machiavellist, vanica is the narcissist and zenon is the psychopath.
My dad has some traits of a narcissist, and I was repeating his behavior with my peers, but thanks to my mother I became more aware of my actions and learned to feel remorse for something I wouldn't even give a second thought to, it took years, but I think by learning from other great human beings I'm a better person now
I suffered the borderline disorder for over 23 years. With so much anxiety Not until I came across psilocybin mushrooms treatmentPsilocybin treatment actually saved my life honestly. 6 years totally clean. Never thought I would be saying this about mushrooms
Can you help with the reliable source I would really appreciate it Many people talk about mushrooms and psychedelics but nobody talks about where to get them. Very hard to get a reliable source here in Germany. Really need
Yes, dr.porassss. I have the same experience with anxiety, depression, PTSD and addiction and Mushrooms definitely made a huge huge difference to why am clean today.
This is why I have no friends, nor a girlfriend. I have no idea how to detect them. To simplify life, I socially isolated myself. It has improved my life and safety to levels no social person can ever have. I refuse to go through these three types of people again, no matter how much it may cost me.
@@sprouts I have adapted to keeping a well defined distance from others since the 8th of August 2000 at 18:34. I have become very proficient at existing alone.
i'm going through this right now. i just got out of a craaaazzyy abusive relationship and now i'm terrified to make friends or date anymore. I keep attracting the worse people
…so you say it’s improved your life, yet you’re worried about what it’s going to cost. Well the answer is simple. True happiness. Fulfillment. Humans are social creatures. Not having a girl at the time is one thing, having no friends, not even 1, is no way at all to live!
I've developed all three. It's taken a lot of self awareness and compassion not only for myself for hurting others and myself, I have had to learn compassion for the people who raised me and abused me to make me that way. Just think how many angry, miserable nasty people out there might have been abused in the worst ways to make them behave like that. Innocence lost or stolen, corrupting their hearts then inevitably the mind follows. Not an excuse just an understanding. I'm grateful in a way for it all though, even though it's excruciating to heal from and be accountable for. It's given me an insight on perhaps why people behave the way that they do without hatred and judgment, which leads to further suffering and seperation. Thank you for sharing this video. It was insightful, objective and compassionate. Good work!👏
I am Machiavellianist since childhood. It probably developed as inferiority complex because I often competed with my older and younger brother for attention from my parents. I wanted the care and support my mom treated my little brother with and I wanted to make my father proud in the way my slightly older brother did. My entire school life was riddled with intrusive thoughts of violence. I did a lot of terrible things that I regret til this day. I didn’t know there was a word for it. I eventually matured and found ways to cope with it and feel content and happy but I do have stressors I’ve yet to fully identify. I had a severe concussion three years ago and it felt like my mind lost 10 years of self-control. It’s been a terrible downward spiral for me especially since covid happened. However my self-control is good. Maybe it’s too good because the intrusive thoughts can really hurt my feelings and I often feel ashamed of myself.
Shame is only a path to healing. I pray you totally recover from this. You are a good person. Just look deep within yourself and bring out the good in you. I wish you well.
You are not Machiavelli, you feel shame and regret. You just have a dark side and did some terrible things that you regret of, like everybody. Good luck with your recovery.
I hope you can find help and can continue to reach out to doctors and/or community. It's hard to good doctors but the main thing to remember is to keep going, no matter what, and to not turn inside yourself. I don't have dark triad traits but I've had 'dark night of the soul' parts in my life. I can empathize.
It took me 30 years to muster up the courage to tell my alcoholic, druggie, narcissistic, psychopath sister that I'd had enough. I could only do it through messaging because face-to-face confrontation absolutely terrified me. I've seen the way she beat her daughter during one of her drunken anger fits. Scary as shit. After finally telling her what I really thought and that I was done! Predictably, she denied, deflected and played the victim. After 3 years of zero contact, we are now on friendly terms, but as acquaintances, not sisters. It is the only way to not fall for her tricks again.
Psycopaths leave you first mostly, it would be you would run after her of she was psych. What you describe is just an avg human... alcohol, drugs & most likely boyzz... pff
I have always been curious about such people. I know having one in your life is more than you can take. But I am still curious about what such a person looks like.
I often struggle to fight with my Machiavellian inclinations. Sometimes they slip through though. I was lucky to have recognized them early in life and to temper with empathy. It's hard though. I work a corporate job
APD and NPD. I built a set of rules to govern my choices. I only manipulate to help people reach there full potential now. You get what you put out in the long run. Thc helps alot. I've been married for 15 years. I had to loose my own game for that. I made sure she's financially secure on her own and I've told her all my tricks. We are together because she wills it. All you have to do is be self aware and choose to be a good person
Every opiate addict I have ever been around has very strong traits of all three while in full blown addiction. Some of the traits linger for years after stopping and it takes them years to learn to be themselves again.
Nope, not really. That right now reminds me kinda of those people which think they meet a Psychopath/Sociopath on every Party because "This one guy does this and this in this way!"
Yep. That’s why we have to go through a guided ego death in 12 Step Programs in order to regain our sanity and humanity. You are absolutely correct in your observation.
I consider this dangerous to do. If you always feel guilty, now you will find SOME things in your behaviour from that dark triad. Now you have food for your feeling of being wrong or guilty. Let the professionals do that, dont analyse yourself. Listen to what GOOD friends tell you, not just anyone. Be very careful to believe something like "I am a psychopath". Most likely, if you are in this triad region, you wouldnt even be interested in finding out. Dont want to stop you learning about yourself. Just dont come to conclusions based on YT videos resonating with your fears. Stay curious.
“Let the professionals do that, dont analyse yourself” sounds like someone who can’t think for themselves and needs a paper certified professional to do it for them.
D. Christian you are trying to be clever but you contradicted yourself. You first say ‘don’t analyse yourself’. Then ‘Be curious’. Ha ha. Idiot, what use is knowledge if it is not APPLIED ?? Don’t invalidate any content by labelling it Google content or TH-cam content. If it is accurate (which IQ will indicate and our curiosity proves it) is good enough. We should analyse. And THEN an expert can confirm it or reject it .
Psychopathy is technically no longer the accepted term for it and instead is called antisocial personality disorder. Latest research shows that their brains have an area that is related to empathy that is less active than others. Theya re also less to no responsive to negative reinforcement. Their violent behaviors are mostly due to the environment but if they have some punishments such as jail have no effect and they are more likely to go back there compared to other criminals. Also they are not generally scary but are smarter, more charming charismatic than other people which makes it even harder to distinguish them from others, and they mostly learn adapted social responses to many situations. They also have a reduced emotional spectrum compared to other people. A lot of abusers of toxic/abusive relationships have these traits to a certain extent, the main one being lack of empathy and the inability to empathize with the negative emotions of others. A recent study showed that they are able to perceive them but most of them simply ignore that simulus.
This is about the subclinical psychopathy, a spectrum of personality trait, not the disorder. Antisocial personality disorder is a term from DSM 5 while clinical psychopathy is a term used by other psychologists such as Robert Hare.
Wether not you believe me , I have psychopathy and like my girlfriend will tell me when she gets really mad “you’re a narcissist just like your dad” . And I am and have been seeing a pediatrician since I was 8 and I’m 25 and have to . Though I’m not like the ones stated in the video on the outer side at least . I’m adopted and so I believe I have narcissistic genes , I barely or don’t have psychopathy ones . My dad as mentioned has both because he was raised in a no emotions , be perfect household . Middle class but that environment and took out on me. Though I overcame my impulsiveness unlike most . I had got sent to a prison for kids that is like a fuckin community college to a 4 year . Basically I lost all emotions and when I got out and I went a private school with more sophisticated kids . I developed and learned emotional behaviors as I know what to do in certain situations but not always can I be emphatic but at times I can . Though I been known to be cold and I can “turn on “ this side if needed but I rather not because I get on a streak which isn’t good . I wish my dad was more emphatic like my mom . I abused the crap out of them until the age of 11 , when I was sent off to fend for myself . Went from middle class chaos to other incarnated and traumatized teens . I saw a lot of blood , trauma , things that made me cry , etc . And now I have a girlfriend and a baby otw and planning on proposing . So even tho you can’t get rid off it . It’s attainable to control it . Reply for more questions or experienced / details .
this all hits the nail on the head i unfortunately can’t see “right or wrong” because logic tells me neither has a point. it’s all based on perspective for example a lion and a gazelle of the lion gets the gazelle it’s good for the lion, it gets to eat yet bad for the gazelle due to it being harmed and losing its life to become food rather than getting food itself. and vice versa if the gazelle gets away that’s good for the gazelle yet the lion will starve. so my mind stands outside of the good versus bad. we’re all too complex for such black and white conceptual things to exist. i just pick my battles and operate at whatever frequency the situation calls for. grandiosity plagues me i think of everything in way to grand or big a picture so i can only go into a coffin alone therefore every choice i make is going to benefit me, i am not promised that i will wake up tomorrow or have enough time in the future to complete goals or aspirations so daily i just choose what i feel like doing and if i were to die that day so be it. any feeling of wasting the time i was given comes to surface with depression but what i didn’t get to do i have to suck it up and turn my thoughts elsewhere. dawning on things can’t change it even when manifesting and thinking things into existence is possible. add in the schizoaffective, manic depressive, disociative identity, post traumatic stress, antisocial personality, and a plethora of other disorders that i’ve been clinically diagnosed with paired with substance abuse stemming from being born with extremely high levels in my blood and generations of genetic disposition to the addiction traits i seem to be built for failure. seems i never had a chance
My father is a perfect example of a narcissist and machiavellist, and, despite the fact that I hated his guts since my early childhood, and that I was raised mostly by my loving and compassionate mother, I inherited a lot of his dark traits. Both me and my sister grew up to be excellent liars and manipulators, cunning and very ambitious, even partly cynical and supercilious. I also have anger issues which I’m currently fighting with. Realizing all that, I wouldn’t call myself a really good person, and yet, despite all that, I wasn’t diagnosed with ASPD; I have empathy and compassion for others, which only grew with years and a shitload of self-improvement; I feel guilt and remorse when I do something morally wrong, and now I have a well-established moral compass, which makes me want to help others. The only reason I’m not a total piece of manure is my mom. While we had a bad role model in our childhood (thanks to our daddy), we also had a good one, and the second one was her - she was (and still is, sometimes) teaching us how to be compassionate, kind to others, how to put ourselves in other people’s shoes. I still may be a selfish arse sometimes, but at least I’m willing to improve, and, honestly, that’s 100% her accomplishment. Raise your kid to be a good person even if their predisposition isn’t that great. Genes are very important, but so is the upbringing and environment.
Really thankful to have read this... honestly. Thank you for sharing that... I don't wanna go too into detail w my own shit but reading about someone going through a kinda similar situation as me and hearing how you're getting through it honestly gave me a cathartic feeling of hope... despite not having a mom of the same caliber as yours... I'm still thankful for my mom and the help she's been able to give me... your comment helped me realize that a bit more and be a little more thankful... it's just good to know people are still making it through their shit "regardless" of circumstances... Keep it up. You're doing good. And thank God for people like your mom... (should probably thank your mom yourself personally if you haven't yet [tho I'm sure you already have, lol]) Also tho I wanna just add before I send this comment, your mom absolutely, no doubt, had a role to play in helping you be who you are today, but I want you to know you're also to "blame" as well. Lol. You could have ignored and dismissed her attempts at helping you stay real and be more balanced... but ya didn't. You saw the love she had for you, and that what she was saying had truth to it and you made an effort to apply the things she was teaching and are now heading in the direction you are heading today... Good shit. Honestly. Keep it up. You got this. I got this. We got this...
I believe Dark Triads can be observed frequently, especially in present times. People, in general, are not terribly observant of specific behaviors of strangers, therefore it takes repetitive contact to see through the cracks of Dark Triads. Because most people are amiable and trusting of others, few focus on the behavior of friends, neighbors and associates. Life is truly a learning process of ourselves and of society.
I score high on 2 of those traits. I use my own narcistic personality to fight those "inner demons". The way I always tell myself, if I'm so great, I wouldn't need to scam, cheat, or manipulate others to be successful. I always love to win... so what better than to win on "hard mode" rather than the "Easy mode".
I too feel that way. I have some empathy but love to be the underdog and prove people wrong by doing it my way rather than the right way that normal ppl would.i get the “hard mode “ outlook completely… I don’t exactly fit any category exactly but have a lot of traits that they describe…. There needs to be more categories for people who may be a different type of “psychopath “ ❤
I believe I have all 3. Maybe more of a sociopath than psychopath. The biggest problem I face is that I am just as good at manipulating myself as I am at manipulating others. I make justifications subconsciously for treating others however I want by saving up small insults or slights that they have made against me. The best way I have found to circumvent myself is to use narcissism to my advantage. I have a constructed belief that I am better than most, so I use that belief to maintain a moral code I made to keep me from doing terrible things. I don't ignore that code ever, and I do that by repeating to myself, "You are better. Prove it." People eventually take notice and give you the positive admiration that you desire. From there, I follow certain things from my code like "Be a great friend", and "compliment people who deserve it". That way, the social contract is fulfilled. And yes, I may be darkness underneath. But the results displayed to reality tell a different story. And, so long as I never abandon my code, what is the difference?
psychopathy is a strength. With the exception of remorselessness, lacking of compassion, and use of physical threats you sure described me. Apathetic, go with the flow, nothing phases me, nothing brings me joy, I just live a cold, meaningless, cynical life. No coping mechanisms necessary, I just dredge through the day with my pretend happy suit on and hope for a tornado or lightning strike. That being said, I get shit done, at work, at home, whatever. Because it is so very hard to stress me out and I can methodically prioritize and evaluate all components - including other people - in a particular goal, I can adjust strategy and conduct good risk-benefit-analysis, eliminate those unnecessary risks or costs, and accomplish any goal I set to accomplish. Generally speaking, since I lack the motivation to set my own goals, I fill that slot with the goal's of other entities (like my work/boss, or a charity) and just plow through the tasks, step on a few toes if its necessary and Get. Shit. Done.
I had BPD in my teens and 20s. I was fairly narcissistic and probably somewhat machiavellian as well as extremely manipulative and abusive towards those close to me. Ultimately, I eventually fixed myself, primarily by learning empathy, forgiveness and by turning my self-criticism into a chance to better myself.
@@PetekDemircioglu-zj9os Possibly. Others said I was very charming at first but very manipulative and critical once I got to know folks. Thankfully, I was able to overcome and change most of that.
@@apatheticxmindsetx3549 They may all share a lot of similar behaviors, but the reasoning and intent behind those behaviors is the primary difference. Same with Bi-Polar, which many BPD patients often get misdiagnosed with early on. Both disorders tend to result in similar outbursts and depressive episodes, but with different causes/triggers. These differences may seem trivial &/or unimportant to both outside observers and to the victims of a BPD patient's behaviors. However, when it comes to treatment (therapy and/or medication), those differences require more serious consideration. The different disorders each require different treatment options and paths to achieve optimal results. Some therapy techniques and medications that may be quite effective in treating one disorder may instead exacerbate/worsen other disorders, even if they seem to share similar symptoms. (Eg: stimulant medications are very effective in treating ADHD and narcolepsy, but will generally worsen any condition that causes anxiety or mania)
@@apatheticxmindsetx3549 To put it simply, a gaslighting crusade by those with BPD on social media, and the fact less people have heard of BPD, can be thanked for that. It also sucks because those with it don't tend to actually lack empathy. I can pick out those with NPD and ASPD out and essentially cut them out of my life with little issue. I have more sympathy to those with BPD, and tend to stick around way longer than I should. In my experience (sample size of 2) you can trace the development of BPD back to abusive parents. And as someone who had really terrible parents, I feel a lot of empathy to 'em. However, after two relationships with partners with BPD, NEVER AGAIN lmao. If you tell me you have BPD and don't follow it up with talking about weekly therapy sessions and DBT workshops, I'm out.
You *had* BPD? What, you cured it? You found a magical cure for a personality disorder? You know, the exact sort of thing that you *can’t* cure? Please, tell us your secrets.
I think these traits are present in everyone, I can somewhat identify with all of them. Everyone has the capacity to lie, cheat, and steal - true psychological development and maturity is just understanding that part of yourself and choosing not to. I always get super sus when people claim to be full of light, love or purity, gives off very "snake-oil salesman" vibes. People who are just naive to this part of life either get taken advantage of or manipulate others unconsciously.
it depends on how much of those traits are present in you, true most ppl have a bit of ego, entitlement, and, manipulation. but that does not make them nars/psych. If u find that these traits more dominant than compassion/ love, do seek therapy
@@HEATHENS5074 hahaha nah. I’m definitely not! More of a defence to stop people thinking they’re mentally ill just because they noticed it once. But you’re right, you should definitely go if it’s a common thought pattern!
@@iliketalkingaboutstuff3651 true, totally agreed. I just hate kids who think having metal disorder is considered cool. Can't blame them, that's what social media propagates
3:50 - The Flaw here is Agreeableness is RELATIVE. The Milgram experiment had some people disagree with pressing the button. *Who exactly is the bad person for disagreeing? Hm?* *Historically, the most terrible things - war, genocide, and slavery - have resulted not from disobedience, but from obedience. ~ Howard Zinn* To the dualistic mindset they have trouble understanding the above quote, they crave their comfort, their certainty, they evade uncertainty, their discomfort. Especially certainty from authority. *They must find it hard to take Truth for authority who have so long mistaken Authority for Truth. ~ Gerald Massey* They are known as NPCs, Sheeple, Midwits, and my personal label for them, Comfort Campers who are unwilling to think outside their comfort zone. They have trouble differentiating between morality and legality. Morality is doing what is right regardless of what you are told. Obedience is doing what is told regardless of what is right (or illegal). Agreeableness is the symptom, a byproduct, not the problem. You're looking at the symptom here, not the disease so to speak. Disagreeableness is a joke of an indicator when you realize that being moral can and does differ from being agreeable. There's a time to be agreeable, and then there's a time to be right, sometimes you can't have both. Ex. You should be my slave and never question me or my authority. Do you disagree? *Who exactly is the bad person for disagreeing? Hm?* Are they really both just as bad, the person who thinks slavery is wrong vs the person who thinks slavery is right. Moral subjectivity aside, I think it is very telling of your character if you think slavery is ok. It's called character disturbance, a much more reliable indicator than "You don't agree with me so you're bad!". The real problem is the FIXED mindset, they simply don't change, they ultimately do not want to (it is a choice to abuse and to act upon their power lust to enslave others). This is where their disagreeableness/incorrigibleness comes into play. Ayn Rand talks about the Passive Mind being a major issue, but these predators have a rather active and predatory mind, the danger is an active predatory aggressive personality. To add to the danger, one you can't change, you can't fix them. No one else can take your place for personal improvement. Fooling yourself is a death sentence for personal improvement. I've found the Narcissism trait is preferring delusions over reality. This covers their false self they continually put effort into believing they are. It also explains how they get caught, they really thought they wouldn't get caught, see McArthur Wheeler and his "lemon juice turns me invisible" bank robbery for more info and what inspired the Dunning-Kruger model. I've found the Machiavellian trait is preferring to keep things from others. Such as censorship and deceiving others and not getting caught (you don't know it was me/can't catch me). I've found the Psychopath trait is I want I take regardless of consequences, this is why they are often caught. I've found the Sociopath trait is about using and exploiting others without remorse. I've found the Sadism trait is about your pain is their gain. The Sadist proves the profit motive isn't the only thing that gets them out of bed in the morning. Aggressive Personalities tend to have a combination of the above, how wonderful. Dr. George Simon has written much on types of aggression and types of aggressive personalities. Highly recommend googling his website. I've done extensive research on all of this, even made a series with Tyr Ravensohn on the Egopath and their Mask of Perfection. This video is a decent starting point, but the BIG FIVE, OCEAN, is something I disagree with as being a reliable indicator. *Who exactly is the bad person for not agreeing? Hm?* The Big Five is not some infallible be-all end-all. The Big Five does not cover everything like what personality trait is dominant over another resulting in a different personality and a different label… That’s extremely important but outside the scope of what the big five covers. FYI: Narcissists/Midwits are notorious for sycophanting, brown nosing and being YES-MEN to those in power. Flying Monkeys are very obedient and agreeable to whatever their master tells them to do and who to hurt. As Friedrich Nietzsche put it, The Slave creates The Herd to destroy the Higher Man. *Who exactly is the bad person for agreeing? Hm?*
Also I just want to add the Dark Traits are surprisingly good at appearing as other benevolent traits. Much like how people can't tell the difference from confidence vs arrogance until it's too late. They are untrustworthy. The only thing you can trust them with is being untrustworthy. They are reliably unreliable.
5:28 - Yeah, don't have empathy for them. THEY choose to REMAIN that way. The majority of them can change, just like they know how to act when they could get in trouble so don't. The point is they won't, they are perfectly fine with their behavior and you aren't EVER changing their FIXED mind. Pity for the guilty is treason to the innocent ~ Any Rand. Behavior is a choice and their abuse is a choice. They only change masks and victims.
Well damn. Punchlines on punchlines. Wish i understood all this.. i hear it and understand the logical connections between the ideas, but i fell i don't *understand it* understand it. Psychology and psychiatry.. and i also feel like i got traits in all these, but i might be a pessimist. Should i read or see a shrink?
@@terrenceduarte5348 Read and watch the videos I talked about. If it doesn't click, it just means you haven't experienced such depravity which is ok. You'd know if you were the aggressor. There is no substitute for experience.
Honestly, i have more machiavelen traits than im happy to admit, i had a bad childhood, bouncing from place to place and foster home to foster home. Eventually i lost all respect for the adults in my life who i saw constantly failing to do the right thing for me and my siblings. I became uber independant and only cared about the well being of myself and them. Eventually we were adopted by a good family and those thoughts never went away they just became centered around me. I was never outright malicous to people, but i was a manipulator. I would say and do whatever i thought i needed to in order to get ahead or to put myself in a better position. Manipulating people with kind words, sad childhood stories, or purposefully misinterpreted facts and ideas as the situation called for it. I still catch myself doing it to this day. I thought that as long as i wasnt using it to hurt people and just better my life with it then it was no big deal, by telling myself the world is a scary place and everyone does it to some extent. At the end of the day, manipulation is manipulation and yet with that understanding i still find it hard to resist doing it to this day. Its just so useful in life, and its scary to think about how easily the world opens up to you when you adopt that mindset. Actually as I've written this out, its dawned on me why I've always been interested in business, finance and debate. It comes so easy when you aproach it from my previous mindset. See i did it a little there, its still apart of my mindset i just choose to be better and yet i try to convince myself even now that its all in the past😅. Anyways this got long so i doubt anyone will read it, but its nice to ruminate on things and i find it comes easier when you write it all out. Hopefully some life experience and time will make things easier, im only 20 after all.
You know I’ve been through very similar things and I can tell you yes it’s wrong to manipulate, but you were a child and your whole future depended on whether your family loved you. It’s survival instincts and you understood that at a young age. Once you become a manipulator you can never really go back, but instead use your powers for good to help others like you? Not everyone was smart enough to figure that out as a kid, but you did And… you lost all respect for the adults in your life because they kept breaking your trust… it’s suppose to be a 2 way street but not everyone is capable earning it, so they demand it instead thinking you’d blindly follow. You knew better than that 👍 You’re 20 now and it sounds like you have family that you like (so lucky!) and your days are no longer needing to survive. Also… I’m 21 and live everyday afraid of myself because… it was so easy
Last time I checked, I scored pretty high on both narcissistic and machiavellian traits. It takes conscious effort to actually speak truthfully about my feelings and problems with others. Not just look like I'm putting in effort but really strife to be better. It's hard.
I have psychopathy traits. I killed animals when I was a small kid and even when I was a teen. I just try to hide my aggression because I was taught in Catholic school that Jesus don't like cruelty. But it springs from deep within and sometimes just pops in your head that you want to do "something violent" for thrills and satisfaction. It's hard, there are times that I think of killing people especially those that I don't like or have offended me. I hold grudges and remember offenses against me.
i killed animals too, like tortured them and it was satisfying, i remember i caught some rats on a sticky trap then set it on fire just to smile and laugh at it- edit: i also pierced it with toothpicks before the fire
Finally, I understand machiavellianism. Before I didn't know how they would specifically manipulate, the only answer I'd really get was "They're manipulative.". I'm grateful for this video showing up in my recommended.
It's sad how our mainstream society calling every bad thing Machiavellian because they're too linear to understand that Machiavelli wasn't a bad person and he didn't encourage tyranny on the contrary he was realistic it's better to be feared than to be loved if it's impossible to combine both and he was absolutely right.
Later generations adapt words to suit contemporary ideas with little interest in maintaining any link to the past meanings. Cynics were originally the followers of Antisthenes & Diogenes (‘dog-like), but I think it was during the enlightenment that it was converted to its current definition to suit the need for insulting those they disagreed with
This. Plus twin-studies are bunk anyway. Did you use Monozygotic or Dizygotic twins? Male or female? Where was each twin-set from? Did you consider for adoption? Etc. Simply saying, "We did a twin study and..." is garbage that the media passes around on the daily. Machiavelli himself refutes a lot of what people say about him.
Stop, go back and read what you wrote. Your response is exactly what he's talking about. Maybe you should go read up on your history. He was also a sociopath. Go take ownership of yourself dude.
@@williamhood7548 The whole point of talking about twin-studies is to dive into the genetics. As such, you change the enviroment but the traits, in this case, prevail. Read a paper on the studies they talk about and check for yourself.
I've been confused for a psychopath on occasion because my TBI kind of numbs extreme emotions and emotional connections. They're still there, just... slightly numb is the best way to describe it.
I definitely have had many narcissistic traits throughout my life. But going to therapy, and becoming sober.. and putting myself in the other persons shoes have really helped me to feel more empathy for others.
To the *incredible person* seeing this, I wish you all the best in life❤ don't over blame yourself, accept things and go forward. Don't let others define what “success” is for you. Get up, learn the skills needed and get after it, all the keys to a happy life is in your hands. Keep pushing.
@@stejer211 Sure, maybe mate. However when you realize how little it takes from you to encourage others you’ll get to understand. Nonetheless it’s well understood the message is not for everyone. Thanks a lot for your time.
What sad is a certain politician was asked during an open forum interview if he's a Machiavellian and then answered yes, blah blah blah, and concluded he's definitely a Machiavellian. The interview spread like a wildfire to the public because they say this politician was smart since he know what that fancy word means. Fans are yelling like crazy and is starting to romanticize the word as if being a Machiavellian is a good character for politicians running on the position.
This video talks about the psychological Machiavelli rather than the political one which while harsh and manipulative like the psychological use is also based on Machiavelli’s other works like his books on the Roman republic. A person who understands what Machiavelli says in his books and it’s context reaps the benefits which in my personal opinion leads to the best leaders and heads of state
For me, a psychopath is someone who suffered so much in childhood that they learned to feel nothing, not even fear, for self-preservation. However, there are different ways to handle this condition, and many people sort out the conflict between being unafraid and wanting to be good by becoming firefighters or policemen. After all, who but a madman would enter a burning building or risk being shot to save someone they don't even know?
Precisely, and think about it, we all stem from the same insane primates who decided to play with fire, much to our benefit =D If the world requires a little sanity to be interesting and give us everyone we enjoy, so be it. Sometimes it takes a psychopath like stalin to defeat a psychopath like hitler. =/ thus their battles were some of the most grotesque in ww2. Can you imagine if a western army gunned down their own civilians to prevent their forces from being confused and slowed down?
@@simplevideosenthusiast7864 There's a generally agreed upon genetic element that encourages the development, but there is NO 100% heritability of psychopathy, if there was, it would be a world wide epidemic that would be more harshly addressed, just like how mothers sometimes do epidurals to make sure their child isn't going to have some severe birth defect. So no, no child is BORN a psychopath. But a child is more LIKELY born into a psychopathic household (thus genetics) and that environment will drastically determine what they grow up into. if you take evolutionary biology into account, genetics, and environment are two sides of the same coin. You can't separate them. At the same time, pointing to genetics as this concrete thing that absolutely determines behavior, couldn't be further from the truth. Sociopaths, and psychopaths are still argued over their exclusive differences, some argue they aren't even any different. If you want an example of 'heritibility' of genes, take schizophrenia. It has on average a 4% chance of being passed on genetically. Now, add a schizophrenic parent to the mix, suddenly, that's now 7%, now include a divorce, or a child being rehomed, that schizophrenia chance now increases to 10% and if their new home happens to have a similar environment and a parent with schizophrenia, guess what, the chance of that child developing schizophrenia just jumped to 17% So I'd be less tempted to point to genetics as this concrete explanation for human behavior. Generally there's a 20/80 rule. 20% genetics, 80% environmental are the generally agreed upon factors in human behavior.
Myself and my son are and were firefighters. We are not psychopaths. We have high empathy and enjoy danger for the rush. But mostly we like helping people and this fulfills us.
for me, i used to be very cold because I felt excluded from society in public school. Introducing socialization in more small groups creates a feeling of closeness. I was always hiding feelings, It's not that I didn't have them. I didn't feel safe having them. So getting used to dealing with social situations in a tight-nit environment that allowed me to go at my own pace and taught me to cope was helpful. But that was because it was a lighter autistic trait that could be coped with. I don't know about others.
Having grown up in an abusive environment with an egocentric father, 2 older brothers (one a narcissistic bully and the other is likely a sociopath), and my mother is an pacifist, I always find videos like this interesting and wonder if or where I may land in the spectrum. In my adult life I recognize that I have extreme emotional detachment and trust issues, don't care about power or control (I've turned down every management position I've been offered after the first one), and do my best to avoid people (I enjoy sleeping on the ground in the forest by myself as an escape). That being said, if a town burned down and everyone in it died, I am not likely to have an emotional response (bad by societal standards, great for my line of work as I deal with death a lot). That aside, I believe that the more I understand how other people think, the more I understand myself and the better I can productively function in society.
Yes for all three I engaged with others with these issues. I even had to search with when I found out my mother was a narcissist. It allowed me to see people differently not judging them but looking at the mirror to see within for any flaws which needed to become healed on the inside. Plus homeschooling my Chidren this is the main talk: Mental health101! 🙏❤️great video!
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I learned that some of my more Machiavellian thoughts or strategies were most often just a response to a situation where I felt that people were not acting in a “right manner”, and I was afraid that their actions would affect me in a bad way. I recognize it as a way to express discontentment…
I had those fears too. It definitely becomes a struggle with autism because I become hypercritical of my own social actions and beat myself up for days or weeks or more.
Married 23 years to a dark triad. The psychological and physical abuse sustained is incomprehensible. went back to college, got a degree in Psychology and now trying to get the abuser in court for compensation and place him outside of reach of the general population; incarceration.
People are a mix of these. I was tested and score lower than average on narcissism but quite a bit higher than average on both Machiavellianism and psychopathy.
Some sources will tell you that narcissism can in fact develop in one's early childhood as either a result of their parents praising them to an extreme degree, or as a defense for neglect and or abuse. Often times it is the latter, narcisists almost universally feel horrible about themselves deep down and should be helped if nothing else. Obviously psychopathy and machiavellianism are another story but that doesn't mean that people suffering with such shouldn't be treated with compassion, they are people after all.
@@randomantguy24 I'm familiar with the root causes of narcissism. Feel free to use the compassion approach to deal with the narcissists in your life. I will continue to chase them out and lock them out of my life for the safety and protection of me and my loved ones. I'm not having tea parties with folks who have declared war on me and tried their best to destroy me.
@@sunshinepatricia2441 you appear to have a very warped view of people with the dark triad, please do further research instead of simply buying into stereotypes.
@@randomantguy24 Your opinion on how I run my life is irrelevant. My experience with narcissists is not with stereotypes but real and I have been dealing with different types of narcissists my whole life. Find someone else to misinform.
i have the machiavelli trait but i dont care too much about money, sure i need it but im not greedy or in "love" with it. i can be very cold and be manipulative but throughout the years ive decided not to be cold or manipulative anymore because people can despise you. i found that being respected and being respectful is a much better way to carry on with your life. i can always tap into this state of mind on demand which i believe is a perk. its better to be dark and learn to be light than to be light and having to learn to be dark or never being able or not being capable to be dark isnt such a good thing in my eyes. "Whats better, to be born good or to overcome your evil nature through great effort"-- Paarthurnax.
Most of these traits describe my former supervisor. I'm not employed again yet but my life has improved more than I can describe for not being exposed to him anymore. I feel sorry for my former coworkers.
My mom is a narcissist. She passed all her traits to me. Now being a mother myself. I refuse to pass them to my child. I no longer communicate with my mom. I had to restructure my entire life and my thinking. It’s hard but it’s doable. I’m the generational curse breaker in my family. My daughter is well worth it and I do it unapologetically. ❤
I think most people are misunderstanding Machiavellianism. To begin with, most people misunderstand Machiavelli. In The Prince, he discusses the strategies that work without being bogged down by what is necessarily the nicest thing to do. He is loyal to the long term good. For example, if someone assassinated another king to stop a war, that is objectively better because only one or two people die in an underhanded way instead of a hundred thousand dying in battle. "it is better to be feared than loved if you cannot be both" is the full quote. It is a thought process where we take the objective and long term best strategic move to get what we want, over the nice actions. However, when it is taken too far it can become downright evil. This happens when they are solely loyal to themselves. I will do what I need to do to get what I want, but that does not necessarily mean I will manipulate people to do so. I would rather find an efficient way to get what I want by timing my requests when someone is in a good mood, talk to the right people so I have high-power connections, or to make my independent moves to get myself an opening to a promotion. This does not mean that I will use a silver tongue to weasel myself into someone's good graces by making my opponents look bad, I would rather just make myself look better and wait for them to make a mistake on their own. It is a thought process that turns the world into a chess board, you aren't nice on a chess board, you don't persuade or frighten your opponent to make a move, you simply make it so you can win no matter what your opponent does.
@@sprouts You're welcome. I have been rather obsessed with Machiavelli for a few years now, and I would say I'm pretty Machiavellian, but whenever I watch anything about it no one explains it like I actually think.
These are traits that we all have to some degree. A trait becomes a mental disorder when it is over expressed in a person to the point it causes harm to themselves or others. This channel needs to do a segment on medical students disease and it's effect on studying abnormal psychology, if they haven't already of course.
I think psychopathy isn't nearly as bad as the other two traits. Because psychopaths can use reason to follow morals. Though some psychopaths might be murderers, a psychopath might very well be better surgeons for example; as it's probably really stressful, but if you don't really care, it might be easier.
@DSD - Downshift Dave I didn't do it deliberately. What drove me is a weird question because I did not consciously start doing it and it is hard to stop once you start. It's like digging a hole for yourself. And for a reason I did it, well, it made my life easier and I really didn't think there was anything wrong with it. If you have any more questions feel free to ask.
Seems like you have been called for great things considering our short existence don't waste time. Today I started writing my first book what's going to be your legacy?
here's a solution just be aware of yourself aware of all the things these personalities does just thinking about everything before i actually do it or while im doing it always keeps me in control of myself like if im being a lil narcissist im constantly thinking about how much is too much and like meh it's fine everyone does it or before controling (don't wanna say manipulate) i think yeah it wouldn't hurt them in any way so it's fine and im always cold can't help it but using logic instead of emotions works i never get physical
@@HEATHENS5074he's right. While we shouldn't always be a machiavellianist, by learning it we learn how to not be played. You see those corporations, those greedy ceo's and bankers. Their successful by manipulating us, THE PEOPLE. it is only by learning that we can pull them down to their proper place.😊
I worry about some of this. My mother was a covert narcissist. It has affected my sister and I in different ways. I just assume I'm a monster too and try to be aware of my behavior toward others and practice self-control.
If you were one: you would never acknowledge any wrongdoings especially in public. You would continue to lie and manipulate even if proof presented to you about the lies etc etc.
No worries, dear. You aren’t alone. We are in the same boat. We aren’t perfect. We can’t control others but we can control ourselves. Just do our best & let God do the rest. I believe in prayers and I pray for family unity. Trust me, have faith in God. 🙌💪
As long as you assert sufficient self-control (learnable trait), and set some strict rules to strictly obey - one can find many ways to exploit and integrate their own "dark" traits to be actually useful instead of harmful.
I’m a bit late to the discussion but just found this so here’s my two pence worth. I was recently diagnosed with a BPD, scoring high on the Machiavelli and Psychopathy and low on narcissism. The label the professionals have attached to me is “dark empath” (they love their labels) but the long and short of it is I can empathise with people but that empathy is dialled up or down in each circumstance. I’m a strong case study for the nature/nurture debate though. Always been different even as a child but I was lucky to be born into a well off caring and loving family. As such I’ve had a very successful military career that has lead to an even more successful career in management consulting. As you brought up in the video my personality is ideal for what I do. The only hindrance it has caused is in my personal life, I really struggle to make meaningful connections with others and I’m seen as “a bit of a loaner” also three divorces by the time I’m 44 each caused by me and my behaviour. I’m not violent but I have cheated and tend to put myself and my own needs over my partners. I will say there’s plenty of help out there for anyone with these traits but also remember as well as being a hindrance they can also be your superpower if used right.
family dinners are terribly depressing to hear your aunts and uncles and parents talk about their childhoods, how many times they were beat....then you just think to yourself "yeah...things are starting to make a lot more sense." and the fact that they were saying it with a smile and laughing about it...was even more depressing.
Hi, guys! I'm a highly functional psychopath, narcissist and obviously find delightment in applying machiavellian strategies to subject others to my will! And would love to help anyone talking about my experience as such! Great video! Btw, I'm just kidding, but I can help telling you about a friend of mine... hahaha
I naturally inherited a lot of the dark triad traits but my mom is the best mom in the world and helped me to be conscious of these things and to know the value of other people
It's a cool video. And I would really appreciate if content creators about the Dark Triad Traits would mention like here at 2:39 that it's *subclinical* narcissism, *subclinical* psychopathy and first introduce (for didactic reasons) the difference of two concepts: clinical psychology (mental disorders of a few number of people and you are not talking about those things here) and Personality Traits and what is considered a subclinical trait and when we use this term (the difference is ALL people have personality traits, which you are talking about here and why you are in the field of Personality Psychology not Clinical). There's unnecessary confusion about the words narcissism and psychopathy out there in the public because of the lack of making it clear to people who didn't study psychology at university.. *Subclinical narcissism in the dark triads is different from the clinical narcissm of narcissistic personality disorder.* and *subclinical psychopathy is not mentioned in clinical psychology, it's antisocial personality disorder* and those are two different types of concepts as well. You can't diagnose a person as a psychopath... Those things seem petty to some people but you don't understand the dark triads traits if you mix those things up with clinical diagnosis... It's like computer science, you can talk about creating a robot and then you are in the field of robotics and you can talk about machine learning systems and both belong to computer science but are very different fields and of course they are connected..
Having compassion for people like this is precisely what they feed on. Recognizing and calling them out would be a better help to them so maybe they can get some help.
Psychopathy is not a mental disorder (2:41), it can’t be used as a diagnosis. The diagnosis/disorder can be classified as antisocial personality disorder. Psychopathy and sociopathy are not valid disorders/diagnosis.
im a dark empath, I can see exactly what people want and say or do it for them if I know I can leverage it on them farther for myself later for a greater payoff for myself while also making the other person feel like they are receiving charity. idk what to do about it. I can make any animal love me or hate me on a whim. I have no idea why I can but I can even feed random squirrels on the sidewalk but I can make a dog piss it's in fear when I walk In
Many people are born with these three personality traits but by staying positive and having a upbeat Outlook you can push yourself away from the dark side. Staying away from those who have them because you become like the people you hang around.
@@ThijsAnglim i own a copy of the book with added modern annotations. did the same thing and more. the whole controversy is honestly quite funny when you view it through modern lense.
I think I'm a Machiavellianist. I also think that I became this way because of how I was treated as a kid. I had many ''friends'' that I would play with almost everyday. They would mistreat me in several ways, (I was an easy target because I am insecure, super shy and wasn't used to fake friends/manipulative people). A few examples are: My bestfriend always kicking me and one day beating me up for no reason (I snapped and beat her so hard she stopped kicking me so that was nice), ''friends''' ignoring me on purpose, never letting me join them, a big sister of my ''friend'' always pushing me and my sister into bushes and just always bossing me around. I was one of the sweetest people ever back then and I had never done anything wrong to any of them. I just don't get why I was treated that way and I still feel sad about it. Now I just feel like I can't be TOO nice. If I'll be too nice, they'll just use me all over again. What I mainly do is insincerely flatter people. I don't trust people anymore. I'm also getting bullied now, it's been going on for around 2 years. It's probably still going on because I can't be assertive directly (I'm passive agressive and I bottle up emotions). I don't know if I'm actually a Machiavellianist but if I'm not please don't judge me for being wrong. Thanks and have a nice day :)
Hi, It might save you read this Understanding manipulation techniques and tactics is crucial to protect yourself. Here are some of the most common and effective manipulation techniques employed by both normal and master manipulators: **1. Gaslighting:** - **Description:** Manipulator makes you doubt your own perceptions, memories, and sanity. - **Tactic:** Denying they said or did something, minimizing your feelings, or shifting blame. **2. Emotional Blackmail:** - **Description:** Using emotions, threats, or guilt to control your behavior. - **Tactic:** Saying things like "If you loved me, you'd do this for me" or using threats of harm. **3. Love-Bombing:** - overwhelming you with an excessive amount of affection, attention, compliments, gifts, and other displays of love or admiration in a short period of time. Love bombing is when someone showers you with an overwhelming amount of affection, compliments, attention, and gifts in a very short time to manipulate or control you. **Description:* - **Tactic:** Showering you with compliments, gifts, and affection in the beginning of a relationship. **4. Silent Treatment:** - **Description:** Ignoring or refusing to communicate as a way to manipulate. - **Tactic:** Giving you the cold shoulder until you comply with their wishes. **5. Playing the Victim:** - **Description:** Portraying themselves as helpless or suffering to gain sympathy and control. - **Tactic:** Constantly talking about their problems and expecting you to rescue them. **6. Triangulation:** - **Description:** Creating conflict or jealousy by involving a third party. -
Psychopathy and narcissism is not a mental disorder, antisocial personality disorder is a mental diagnosis where as psychopathy and narcissism is actually a personality disorder, as you could have the traits of ever one and still not qualify for antisocial personality disorder.
I was yelled at for lying and manipulation when I was young. People thought I was lying when I was in pain all the time but I did use my pain to be excused from things that looks too hard to do physically. I noticed that the traits I had were stuff I learned from my parents. I don't think they notice their behavior.
The intro doesn't really make sense to me. The narcissist doesn't admit when he's wrong but here openly admits he has the darkest personality. He wouldn't admit to this. Then Machiavellian logic is more about accepting the darker strains of reality as apparent fact, like accepting the bad elements of the ruling order as necessary (e.g accepting that the state has the right to quell protests) I tend to think someone of Machiavellian logic is receptive to those in power not seeking to be in charge of it. The narcist would more likely to be the one to assert his control by stating that it is whoever I want it to be. Since the psychopaths tend to be the hunters, if you asked them honestly then wouldn't they more than likely be the ones to state that they themselves have the darkest personality? The response from psychopath provided actually comes across as the most reasonable as it pretty much comes across as the live and let live approach - I don't know, I don't care. e.g think of the inner monologue from the TV show Dexter and how he took pride in his actions. Lastly, the Machiavellian would be most likely to admit they have the darkest personality because those who use this logic tend to be proud of their Machiavellian logic which goes hand in hand with having a dark personality. Machiavellianism also isn't always a personality trait and unlike the others encompasses an actual school of thought. So having a Machiavellian way of thinking is not by default a personality disorder. Narcissism and psychopathy are two recognized psychological disorders ... Machiavelli was a 15th century scholar who wrote books and produced his own theories which grew into the Machiavelli school of thought.
I am diagnosed with machiavellianism and your description was correct according to the basic traits, I grew up rich for a year and then chased adolescence being poor. I believe that my circumstances and abuse as child led me to become very cautious, I am very suspicious of people but in the same sense very calm among them, after all it's not like they all are in the same area or triad as me. One thing I can say with full honesty and experience, these 3s will never be in good terms with each other, it's like fighting a virus with the virus, they completely clash against everything, the one is too cold or too soft, however it is easier for me to be in the company of people with high empathy because their extreme nurturing nature makes them oblivious to intricate details like mirroring. But I am not evil, although I have the design for evil, and the unrelenting desire for power and control, I'm actually very chilled with jot always being in control. I don't know whether this is a fault in my genetics or maybe me wanting to lead a religious life but I feel paradoxical over these things. I hope my statement provided you with a broader perspective on this spectrum, I know many people hate these and I will probably receive hate myself for being born this way, but as you said, I didn't choose to be this way.
I do have psychopathic tendencies, but I am a strong empathy too. I have cared and cried for others, when they are in pain. But have no endings one way or another, when some people suffer, who I didn't care much for in the first page
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Hmmm....seems I'm a psychopath with impulse control.
True am a psychopath but a very loving one
Psychopaths don’t always “come across as scary”. They can be charming people superficially.
Yeah i mean look at ted Bundy
@@jerryandmarilynreed6290 or Richard Ramirez
Annibal Lecter. Just look at his sophistication during the gruesome dinner scene. 🤯🧠 🤵🏻
so True
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I actually knew a psychopath in high-school. Kinda cool guy, did pretty much whatever he wanted. He simply didn't seem to want anything that would sit outside general social rules, and saw no point in being aggressive, forceful, or violent unless he needed to.
Thanks for sharing
Psychopaths don’t have to be criminals, but if they are they get very little to no bad conscience.
Sounds like a sigma male, Jonathan Beckett that you went to school with no offense to your intelligence
Yes! there is a difference between psychopathy and sadism. A strictly raised or religious psychopath can become a seemingly well adjusted individual. Rarely great parents, but can become decent foster parents with the right motivation
Psychopaths can be agreeable then, agreeable to us, so, I think they need to adjust the chart that was presented.
*"Just keep in mind: the more we value things outside our control, the less control we have." -Epictetus*
Knowing yourself is the beginning of all wisdom - Aristotle
Man will only become better when you make him see what he is like - Anton Chekhov
But in this life nothing is in our control, Except you yourself.
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So true
"Is your child dead? It is a return. Is your wife dead? It is a return. Are you deprived of your estate? Is not this also a return?" Epictetus.
Stoicism is pretty psychopathic
We have to be careful when we are using our empathy while dealing with these dark triad personalities as they will absolutely see that as just another lever to push or pull.
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Stare too long into the abyss... the abyss stares back.
Feeling the void of one such as these is draining in the extreme.
Do not engage. Grey rock. Stay away if possible.
Life leeches. Vitality vampires.
Soul succubi.
AVOID THEM 🙏
you're incorrect because these people deserve zero empathy during that place and time, best thing you can do is turn away and never look back. if you're stuck with them, use your fists they;re there for a reason but i didnt use them and i regret it a lot, its fight or flight(literally) with these people
@lukca43 stare too long into the abyss brother... the abyss stares back.
Careful... removing empathy is just taking you one step closer to becoming one of THEM 🙏
It's also possible to care about somebody and not allow them to control you. For most of these conditions, their actions are based on control. Because they never had that control over their lives when they were young. Or in the case of psychopathy, they are just born without the ability to physically feel emotions. Behind (almost) every bad person is usually a broken child who never got to see the good things in life
Psychopaths don't come across as scary, not unless they're out-of-control A-listers. Quite the opposite actually, they are known for being very charming and disarming. Same with the narcissist, which is why it can be hard to tell the two apart at first. But the narcissist is fragile and needy, whereas the psychopath is truly confident and doesn't care. Sociopaths, on the other hand (pw ASPD like the psychopath but the two are different) usually come off as scary or unhinged... that's because sociopaths have stronger emotions than a psychopath. And Machiavellianism, even though it's listed in the Dark Triad, isn't really a personality trait. It's a cut throat strategy... a methodology for getting what you want. Who would you find practicing Machiavellianism? Greedy corporations and selfish people. That would include narcissists, sociopaths, and psychopaths.
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Wow what an analysis. Hits the nail on the head.
And what are you?
Although in psychoanalysis Machiavellianism is part of the dark triad. But the DSM seems to alter every now and then. It's just to filter diverse disorders and label them, their common trait is egoistic manipulation.
@@peterbruns6124 you nailed it.
Psychology is like Mariana trench deeper you dive, stranger things you see...
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But they make up stuff a lot.. what if sociopath , narcissism and Machiavelli are just normal and not a clinical condition to be treated. They deem it as not normal under the social construct we live in..
You can call the dark triad and its components by other names. Venturing down a semantic rabbit hole. The important thing to be aware of is that these sorts of individuals are at the top of the current hierarchy.
@sna you only think that because what affects themselves or others must be bad in your opinion. These are inherited traits too. If These traits survived for long. How can it be bad or unnatural. Obviously too much narcissism is rare and might have been wiped out but everyone has certain amount of narcissism, Machiavelli and psychopathy. Some have none too and they are rare because they might be wiped out too through natural selection.
@@litty4553It was all in the mix. The batter. The inflationary rise of the narcissists, psychopaths, sycophants, crybabies, SJWs, sheeple, zombies, order following thugs, etc. All the worst traits. The ingredients necessary for the slow motion collapse of civilization. The cake is already baked, and crumbling. Nothing new under the daystar. Same as it ever was.
This video just described most of those in positions of authority all around the world.
Yup
One of the greatest problems in nearly all societies is that those seeking power, are the ones that we least want to have power. People that really could handle and use power wisely, often do not seek authoritarian positions. Human nature, again misguided.
I had lovely managers and ceo's and a few terrible ones. Not everywhere the same!
Definitely our PM. :(
Because it's the kind of person who most often strives to attain authority. Others see authority as a burden and only take it on when they see it as necessary to maintain a standard of living for someone incapable of taking authority over themself such as a child or an adult with a developmental disorder but these toxic personalities like narcissists see authority as a personal opportunity.
Had a bit of machiavelic personality. I was always acting innocently but secretly manipulative. I never quite understood what i was doing though. I just did what i knew that worked in order to get my neeeds met. I later on learned to meet my own needs and now i no longer feel like i want to manipulate anybody. I still think i can, but i usually catch myself doing it, stop, and then do conscious shadow work to heal and integrate this part.
Me too.... And i dont think it is a bad trait if you try to put under your conscious control... Its like being a head of every one
@@MRDX-ej4yq you don't see it yet. It's hurting others. There are consequences for this.
I mean... I have none of these traits, but I do know I CAN do it...
I used to kinda do it for the fun of it, but not in any malicious way. Usually just making someone believe some useless fact and see how long or far I can go with it, or until I was bored, then tell them I was bullshit ting or something like that... Again, I did it more for the fun of it than to get anything
@@MRDX-ej4yq being ahead is a good idea, but please do try to do so in an honest way and don't manipulate anyone for it. Trust me, eventually the truth will come out, and if people catch on to the fact that you may lie or manipulate, they will immediately be careful around you. It may become much harder to do, and people may even be much less willing to do something for you, either out of spite, out of dislike or just because they think it may be some scheme to get something and it may end up having negative consequences for them. And that may happen by chance, by someone accidentally finding out, and some people are very receptive, like myself (not trying to brag but fuck it). Those people may almost immediately catch on if you try to deceive them, or after the first time they find out, not let you know and just be very careful or even stop interacting with you. They may also tell others to be wary and maybe even to not let you know either to make sure they can more easily catch you doing it and adapt to that plan.
Meanwhile, if you do something honestly, people may sometimes tell you know, but that may be for a good reason, for your own good, or just because. But in the long run, most people will be fine with doing a favor for you and do it more often. If people can depend on you, you are more likely to be able to depend on them consistently as well. It won't only be generally easier (at least in my opinion), it will also make life easier in general because you won't have to keep finding new people to manipulate if they catch on.
@@mikethegoo manipulation doesn't have to be malicious, you just have to give an idea that would be willing to agree and choose it without false information as well as manipulating them by you actions and gestures, personally I have machiavellian traits but i mostly use it to make people to be wary of messing with me, nothing too malicious just mentioning screwed up facts which could be useful in real life allowing me to come off as helping them while making them think what i could do to them if they seriously screwed with me, it isn't malicious and the facts can genuinely help them on life so it technically isn't bad but that's my experience
As a narcissist, making your loved one’s aware of your condition can help. Telling them how to deal with it can make things easy. Hiding and trying to use it as an advantage will only make your loved ones discard you.
You are not narcissist,You ARE NOT special
@@huellfring1434 Thanks
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Yo bro did u ever threaten your sister or family member to kill her pet or some bc i did i also tend to always lie and manipulate and bully the ones below me ive been wondering if i am a narcissist not only bc of my very low empathy bc also of other factors
@@letsmer4427 im a covert
You might be a Overt Narcissist.
But we can’t determine so easily .There are so many things to consider before confirming.
Check the DSM criteria for the Narcissistic (NPD) versus Antisocial Personality Disorder (ASPD, sociopathy, psychopathy) and you will see that they share many characteristics, some of which manifest in Machiavellian behavior. In other words, the triad is a spectrum of similar personality traits viewed from different directions. As to the "ego insecurity" of narcissists, I think it's quite often a matter of firm belief in personal-superiority coupled with reactivity to others' failures to "acknowledge" their "inherent superiority" = "How dare you criticize me?!"
Thanks Blake!
The DSM is of Psychiatry, not Psychology.
Sadly the victim narrative paid off and people believe these monsters are people.
The only personality disorder that showed they were predators was the Sadistic Personality Disorder from the DSM-III-R but then it was removed.
Why? Cause it didn't fit their narrative. Psychiatry isn't a science, it's a business masking as a science and the DSM is used for insurance claims.
Thankfully the DSM-V got it's funding pulled due to lack of validity by the NIMH.
But the damage has been done. Everyone thinks it's a personality disorder when its really aggressive personalities with character disturbance. Dr. George Simon is underrated.
@@LATEXXJUGGERNUT The full title is "Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders". It is not, however, a textbook of neurology. Did you not know that psychiatrists deal with human psychology --- specifically, the problematic manifestations thereof? If you wish to stroke your ego through irrelevant, semi-semantic quibbles, I suggest that you contemplate the criteria for Narcissistic Personality Disorder (NPD) and Antisocial Personality Disorder (ASPD, sociopathy, psychopathy). “...for the eye sees not itself, but by reflection, by some other things.”
It's kind of neurotic plus disagreeableness along with arrogance
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There is a very dark history surrounding the labeling of people as "monsters." It is a path I would rather we not take again.
That's an interesting overview. I am a psychopath, And my advice to parents raising a psychopath is to raise him with a strict moral code. In my case the biblical law was what kept me in line and away from serious crime.
One thing I have to add is that we as psychopaths have a very strong sense of right and wrong but just like everything else, it has to be learned.
You were diagnosed with psychopathy or ASPD ? because I can see elements of sociopathy in your comment
Wow. One can even pick up the psychopathness in the comment. I pity those who were your victims.
@@fatimasow6887 If he's ever hurt anyone at least he knows himself well enough to recognize it. You on the other hand seem like someone who spews out vitriol without the awareness of who you might hurt. In this case, you should be more like the psychopath.
@@fatimasow6887 seems unfair to ascribe victims to Grisha without even knowing the person
@@johndoe2399 LMFAO WHAG
2:00 "when you are a psychopath, you come across as cold and scary" - absolutely wrong information. Psychopaths actually come across as charming and funny even. Although the charm proves to be only superficial, eventually, when your usefulness to them ends and hence they stop prtending to care about you.
Good point. They obviously can be both.
True
That's when they become scary. The information is not wrong, simply concise.
thats, i believe, more of a sociopath trait, since they dont feel emotions, they fake emotions in order to get the info they need, sociopaths are not violent in nature. i may be wrong
@@HEATHENS5074 False. In contrary to the popular belief, psychopaths and sociopaths both DO have emotions, they just don't believe that other people have them too. Also, sociopaths don't fake empathy. They just don't care about others. Psychopaths don't care about others either, but they fake empathy to extract an advantage from others. You'll find videos supporting both the information above on TH-cam.
Out of all the dark triad personalities, I always had a more negative feeling towards Machiavellianism. I am a very empathetic person who has so much regards for morals. I haven’t really delved into psychology in a while, which is why this refresher of what Machiavellianism is was… startling. I’m just realizing that in my shadow personality, I become the exact opposite of my optimistic, free-spirited empath personality in exchange for one that aligns more to the definition of Machiavellianism. Except that is at a very low scale.
Have you done shadow work?
Bros the emmenance in shadow
@@wubbalubbadubx2 Yes, I have started. I have not gone far though because as with all things self; it's scary. In all honesty, I've just been busy pursuing an engineering degree which requires me to completely abandon myself for the 5 years it takes to earn the degree.
@@lovelylittlegirl3332 I was warned not to play with that, especially after a recent collapse
@@wubbalubbadubx2 ohh, tell me more. I want to know so that I can be prepared for any potential problems.
My dad was narcissistic and definitely suffered from perfectionism🔱. I inherited this trait, but throughout the years I've learned that having unrealistic expectations on myself and others is a recipe for disaster, and so I've lowered all expectations. I've lowered the pressure on myself and the pressure I put on others and I am a much happier person because of it.
Yup it works like a charm
Finally, the Dark Triad in Black Clover makes sense now.
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Lol
The Dark Pentad of Egopathy is a fun one.
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uh yeah that's because each of the three represents one of each trait. Dante is the machiavellist, vanica is the narcissist and zenon is the psychopath.
I think it's good to have compassion like the video says but my best advice is to have compassion from a distance!
My dad has some traits of a narcissist, and I was repeating his behavior with my peers, but thanks to my mother I became more aware of my actions and learned to feel remorse for something I wouldn't even give a second thought to, it took years, but I think by learning from other great human beings I'm a better person now
@JFLG 764 how is that charisma people don't want to be around
due to education times changed people are more aware
please do not self diagnose! narcissistic personality disorder is not this simple
Sounds like your mother brainwashed you like mine did. Dad is narcissistic and Mom is Machiavellian. Welcome to the family brother!
Clown went beta 🤡
same here, my dad is a narcissist as well so I get scared if i take his behaviors
I suffered the borderline disorder for over 23 years.
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Never thought I would be saying this about mushrooms
Microdosing helped me get out of the pit of my worst depressive episode, a three year long episodeenough to start working on my mental health
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He’s on insta?
This is why I have no friends, nor a girlfriend. I have no idea how to detect them. To simplify life, I socially isolated myself. It has improved my life and safety to levels no social person can ever have. I refuse to go through these three types of people again, no matter how much it may cost me.
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I’m sorry 😞 good luck 🍀
@@sprouts I have adapted to keeping a well defined distance from others since the 8th of August 2000 at 18:34. I have become very proficient at existing alone.
i'm going through this right now. i just got out of a craaaazzyy abusive relationship and now i'm terrified to make friends or date anymore. I keep attracting the worse people
…so you say it’s improved your life, yet you’re worried about what it’s going to cost. Well the answer is simple. True happiness. Fulfillment. Humans are social creatures. Not having a girl at the time is one thing, having no friends, not even 1, is no way at all to live!
I've developed all three. It's taken a lot of self awareness and compassion not only for myself for hurting others and myself, I have had to learn compassion for the people who raised me and abused me to make me that way. Just think how many angry, miserable nasty people out there might have been abused in the worst ways to make them behave like that. Innocence lost or stolen, corrupting their hearts then inevitably the mind follows. Not an excuse just an understanding. I'm grateful in a way for it all though, even though it's excruciating to heal from and be accountable for. It's given me an insight on perhaps why people behave the way that they do without hatred and judgment, which leads to further suffering and seperation. Thank you for sharing this video. It was insightful, objective and compassionate. Good work!👏
Thanks 🙏
the machiavellian father teaching his son how to manipulate the puppet was actually kind of wholesome.
Not when common sense says it's a body at the Morgue like Jeffrey Dahmer dad 😅
I am Machiavellianist since childhood. It probably developed as inferiority complex because I often competed with my older and younger brother for attention from my parents. I wanted the care and support my mom treated my little brother with and I wanted to make my father proud in the way my slightly older brother did. My entire school life was riddled with intrusive thoughts of violence. I did a lot of terrible things that I regret til this day. I didn’t know there was a word for it. I eventually matured and found ways to cope with it and feel content and happy but I do have stressors I’ve yet to fully identify. I had a severe concussion three years ago and it felt like my mind lost 10 years of self-control. It’s been a terrible downward spiral for me especially since covid happened. However my self-control is good. Maybe it’s too good because the intrusive thoughts can really hurt my feelings and I often feel ashamed of myself.
I hope you’re doing better now
Shame is only a path to healing. I pray you totally recover from this. You are a good person. Just look deep within yourself and bring out the good in you. I wish you well.
Everyone has dark side. Not everyone is good. We are all have been bad person in someone's else story.
You are not Machiavelli, you feel shame and regret. You just have a dark side and did some terrible things that you regret of, like everybody. Good luck with your recovery.
I hope you can find help and can continue to reach out to doctors and/or community. It's hard to good doctors but the main thing to remember is to keep going, no matter what, and to not turn inside yourself. I don't have dark triad traits but I've had 'dark night of the soul' parts in my life. I can empathize.
It took me 30 years to muster up the courage to tell my alcoholic, druggie, narcissistic, psychopath sister that I'd had enough. I could only do it through messaging because face-to-face confrontation absolutely terrified me. I've seen the way she beat her daughter during one of her drunken anger fits. Scary as shit.
After finally telling her what I really thought and that I was done! Predictably, she denied, deflected and played the victim.
After 3 years of zero contact, we are now on friendly terms, but as acquaintances, not sisters. It is the only way to not fall for her tricks again.
Be VERY careful. She will not hesitate to wait DECADES to revenge for confronting her and will not hesitate to triangulate you with other people.
Is your sister my mom? But seriously, I thank you for this comment. They never really go away, the bad guys we love. All best!
@@xrc7445 Very, very important warning
Psycopaths leave you first mostly, it would be you would run after her of she was psych. What you describe is just an avg human... alcohol, drugs & most likely boyzz... pff
I have always been curious about such people. I know having one in your life is more than you can take. But I am still curious about what such a person looks like.
I often struggle to fight with my Machiavellian inclinations. Sometimes they slip through though. I was lucky to have recognized them early in life and to temper with empathy. It's hard though. I work a corporate job
APD and NPD. I built a set of rules to govern my choices. I only manipulate to help people reach there full potential now. You get what you put out in the long run. Thc helps alot. I've been married for 15 years. I had to loose my own game for that. I made sure she's financially secure on her own and I've told her all my tricks. We are together because she wills it. All you have to do is be self aware and choose to be a good person
How do you handle things like anger or rage?
Every opiate addict I have ever been around has very strong traits of all three while in full blown addiction. Some of the traits linger for years after stopping and it takes them years to learn to be themselves again.
Interesting
I was thinking the same thing. Some Alcoholics seem to be this way too. Maybe it has something to do with addiction.
Nope, not really.
That right now reminds me kinda of those people which think they meet a Psychopath/Sociopath on every Party because "This one guy does this and this in this way!"
Addictions always come first.
Yep. That’s why we have to go through a guided ego death in 12 Step Programs in order to regain our sanity and humanity. You are absolutely correct in your observation.
I consider this dangerous to do. If you always feel guilty, now you will find SOME things in your behaviour from that dark triad. Now you have food for your feeling of being wrong or guilty. Let the professionals do that, dont analyse yourself. Listen to what GOOD friends tell you, not just anyone. Be very careful to believe something like "I am a psychopath". Most likely, if you are in this triad region, you wouldnt even be interested in finding out.
Dont want to stop you learning about yourself. Just dont come to conclusions based on YT videos resonating with your fears.
Stay curious.
Well played, mister Dark Triad, well played...
@@stejer211 lol
“Let the professionals do that, dont analyse yourself” sounds like someone who can’t think for themselves and needs a paper certified professional to do it for them.
D. Christian you are trying to be clever but you contradicted yourself. You first say ‘don’t analyse yourself’. Then ‘Be curious’. Ha ha. Idiot, what use is knowledge if it is not APPLIED ?? Don’t invalidate any content by labelling it Google content or TH-cam content. If it is accurate (which IQ will indicate and our curiosity proves it) is good enough. We should analyse. And THEN an expert can confirm it or reject it .
@@Dhruv_Dogra lmao
Psychopathy is technically no longer the accepted term for it and instead is called antisocial personality disorder. Latest research shows that their brains have an area that is related to empathy that is less active than others. Theya re also less to no responsive to negative reinforcement. Their violent behaviors are mostly due to the environment but if they have some punishments such as jail have no effect and they are more likely to go back there compared to other criminals.
Also they are not generally scary but are smarter, more charming charismatic than other people which makes it even harder to distinguish them from others, and they mostly learn adapted social responses to many situations. They also have a reduced emotional spectrum compared to other people.
A lot of abusers of toxic/abusive relationships have these traits to a certain extent, the main one being lack of empathy and the inability to empathize with the negative emotions of others.
A recent study showed that they are able to perceive them but most of them simply ignore that simulus.
This is about the subclinical psychopathy, a spectrum of personality trait, not the disorder. Antisocial personality disorder is a term from DSM 5 while clinical psychopathy is a term used by other psychologists such as Robert Hare.
Wether not you believe me , I have psychopathy and like my girlfriend will tell me when she gets really mad “you’re a narcissist just like your dad” . And I am and have been seeing a pediatrician since I was 8 and I’m 25 and have to . Though I’m not like the ones stated in the video on the outer side at least . I’m adopted and so I believe I have narcissistic genes , I barely or don’t have psychopathy ones . My dad as mentioned has both because he was raised in a no emotions , be perfect household . Middle class but that environment and took out on me. Though I overcame my impulsiveness unlike most . I had got sent to a prison for kids that is like a fuckin community college to a 4 year . Basically I lost all emotions and when I got out and I went a private school with more sophisticated kids . I developed and learned emotional behaviors as I know what to do in certain situations but not always can I be emphatic but at times I can . Though I been known to be cold and I can “turn on “ this side if needed but I rather not because I get on a streak which isn’t good . I wish my dad was more emphatic like my mom . I abused the crap out of them until the age of 11 , when I was sent off to fend for myself . Went from middle class chaos to other incarnated and traumatized teens . I saw a lot of blood , trauma , things that made me cry , etc . And now I have a girlfriend and a baby otw and planning on proposing . So even tho you can’t get rid off it . It’s attainable to control it . Reply for more questions or experienced / details .
this all hits the nail on the head i unfortunately can’t see “right or wrong” because logic tells me neither has a point. it’s all based on perspective for example a lion and a gazelle of the lion gets the gazelle it’s good for the lion, it gets to eat yet bad for the gazelle due to it being harmed and losing its life to become food rather than getting food itself. and vice versa if the gazelle gets away that’s good for the gazelle yet the lion will starve. so my mind stands outside of the good versus bad. we’re all too complex for such black and white conceptual things to exist. i just pick my battles and operate at whatever frequency the situation calls for. grandiosity plagues me i think of everything in way to grand or big a picture so i can only go into a coffin alone therefore every choice i make is going to benefit me, i am not promised that i will wake up tomorrow or have enough time in the future to complete goals or aspirations so daily i just choose what i feel like doing and if i were to die that day so be it. any feeling of wasting the time i was given comes to surface with depression but what i didn’t get to do i have to suck it up and turn my thoughts elsewhere. dawning on things can’t change it even when manifesting and thinking things into existence is possible. add in the schizoaffective, manic depressive, disociative identity, post traumatic stress, antisocial personality, and a plethora of other disorders that i’ve been clinically diagnosed with paired with substance abuse stemming from being born with extremely high levels in my blood and generations of genetic disposition to the addiction traits i seem to be built for failure. seems i never had a chance
@@richofffitpics If you learn to use full stops, your pains to express yourself will bear some fruit. And help others.
You're being pedantic.
My father is a perfect example of a narcissist and machiavellist, and, despite the fact that I hated his guts since my early childhood, and that I was raised mostly by my loving and compassionate mother, I inherited a lot of his dark traits. Both me and my sister grew up to be excellent liars and manipulators, cunning and very ambitious, even partly cynical and supercilious. I also have anger issues which I’m currently fighting with. Realizing all that, I wouldn’t call myself a really good person, and yet, despite all that, I wasn’t diagnosed with ASPD; I have empathy and compassion for others, which only grew with years and a shitload of self-improvement; I feel guilt and remorse when I do something morally wrong, and now I have a well-established moral compass, which makes me want to help others.
The only reason I’m not a total piece of manure is my mom. While we had a bad role model in our childhood (thanks to our daddy), we also had a good one, and the second one was her - she was (and still is, sometimes) teaching us how to be compassionate, kind to others, how to put ourselves in other people’s shoes. I still may be a selfish arse sometimes, but at least I’m willing to improve, and, honestly, that’s 100% her accomplishment.
Raise your kid to be a good person even if their predisposition isn’t that great. Genes are very important, but so is the upbringing and environment.
Really thankful to have read this... honestly. Thank you for sharing that... I don't wanna go too into detail w my own shit but reading about someone going through a kinda similar situation as me and hearing how you're getting through it honestly gave me a cathartic feeling of hope... despite not having a mom of the same caliber as yours... I'm still thankful for my mom and the help she's been able to give me... your comment helped me realize that a bit more and be a little more thankful... it's just good to know people are still making it through their shit "regardless" of circumstances...
Keep it up. You're doing good.
And thank God for people like your mom... (should probably thank your mom yourself personally if you haven't yet [tho I'm sure you already have, lol])
Also tho I wanna just add before I send this comment, your mom absolutely, no doubt, had a role to play in helping you be who you are today, but I want you to know you're also to "blame" as well. Lol. You could have ignored and dismissed her attempts at helping you stay real and be more balanced... but ya didn't. You saw the love she had for you, and that what she was saying had truth to it and you made an effort to apply the things she was teaching and are now heading in the direction you are heading today...
Good shit. Honestly.
Keep it up.
You got this. I got this.
We got this...
Everybody should have a bit of Machiavellism in them in order to survive and achieve your dreams 🙌🏻
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Ummm 😅 you just exposing yourself
@@shinsoatimaku 😂
Caught in 4k
@@DhruvC1234 😂😂😂 Everything is for a purpose I believe
I believe Dark Triads can be observed frequently, especially in present times. People, in general, are not terribly observant of specific behaviors of strangers, therefore it takes repetitive contact to see through the cracks of Dark Triads. Because most people are amiable and trusting of others, few focus on the behavior of friends, neighbors and associates. Life is truly a learning process of ourselves and of society.
I score high on 2 of those traits. I use my own narcistic personality to fight those "inner demons". The way I always tell myself, if I'm so great, I wouldn't need to scam, cheat, or manipulate others to be successful. I always love to win... so what better than to win on "hard mode" rather than the "Easy mode".
I too feel that way. I have some empathy but love to be the underdog and prove people wrong by doing it my way rather than the right way that normal ppl would.i get the “hard mode “ outlook completely… I don’t exactly fit any category exactly but have a lot of traits that they describe…. There needs to be more categories for people who may be a different type of “psychopath “ ❤
Also I relate to the fighting my demons part… I use my traits as a strength rather than view them as a weakness or a bad character trait…
I believe I have all 3. Maybe more of a sociopath than psychopath. The biggest problem I face is that I am just as good at manipulating myself as I am at manipulating others. I make justifications subconsciously for treating others however I want by saving up small insults or slights that they have made against me. The best way I have found to circumvent myself is to use narcissism to my advantage. I have a constructed belief that I am better than most, so I use that belief to maintain a moral code I made to keep me from doing terrible things. I don't ignore that code ever, and I do that by repeating to myself, "You are better. Prove it." People eventually take notice and give you the positive admiration that you desire. From there, I follow certain things from my code like "Be a great friend", and "compliment people who deserve it". That way, the social contract is fulfilled. And yes, I may be darkness underneath. But the results displayed to reality tell a different story. And, so long as I never abandon my code, what is the difference?
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Hmm very interesting
@@jjb._0686 Interesting for real. It's interesting to see all the sick people in the comments. Quiet disturbing
I like you a lot , I just hope we never cross paths. If we do, lets control the world
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psychopathy is a strength. With the exception of remorselessness, lacking of compassion, and use of physical threats you sure described me. Apathetic, go with the flow, nothing phases me, nothing brings me joy, I just live a cold, meaningless, cynical life. No coping mechanisms necessary, I just dredge through the day with my pretend happy suit on and hope for a tornado or lightning strike. That being said, I get shit done, at work, at home, whatever. Because it is so very hard to stress me out and I can methodically prioritize and evaluate all components - including other people - in a particular goal, I can adjust strategy and conduct good risk-benefit-analysis, eliminate those unnecessary risks or costs, and accomplish any goal I set to accomplish. Generally speaking, since I lack the motivation to set my own goals, I fill that slot with the goal's of other entities (like my work/boss, or a charity) and just plow through the tasks, step on a few toes if its necessary and Get. Shit. Done.
@@PetekDemircioglu-zj9os sure it is, just not yours
you just sound depressed
I had BPD in my teens and 20s. I was fairly narcissistic and probably somewhat machiavellian as well as extremely manipulative and abusive towards those close to me.
Ultimately, I eventually fixed myself, primarily by learning empathy, forgiveness and by turning my self-criticism into a chance to better myself.
@@PetekDemircioglu-zj9os Possibly. Others said I was very charming at first but very manipulative and critical once I got to know folks. Thankfully, I was able to overcome and change most of that.
I always wondered why BPD and HPD isn't treated the same as NPD and ASPD by people in general
@@apatheticxmindsetx3549 They may all share a lot of similar behaviors, but the reasoning and intent behind those behaviors is the primary difference. Same with Bi-Polar, which many BPD patients often get misdiagnosed with early on. Both disorders tend to result in similar outbursts and depressive episodes, but with different causes/triggers. These differences may seem trivial &/or unimportant to both outside observers and to the victims of a BPD patient's behaviors. However, when it comes to treatment (therapy and/or medication), those differences require more serious consideration. The different disorders each require different treatment options and paths to achieve optimal results.
Some therapy techniques and medications that may be quite effective in treating one disorder may instead exacerbate/worsen other disorders, even if they seem to share similar symptoms. (Eg: stimulant medications are very effective in treating ADHD and narcolepsy, but will generally worsen any condition that causes anxiety or mania)
@@apatheticxmindsetx3549 To put it simply, a gaslighting crusade by those with BPD on social media, and the fact less people have heard of BPD, can be thanked for that. It also sucks because those with it don't tend to actually lack empathy. I can pick out those with NPD and ASPD out and essentially cut them out of my life with little issue. I have more sympathy to those with BPD, and tend to stick around way longer than I should. In my experience (sample size of 2) you can trace the development of BPD back to abusive parents. And as someone who had really terrible parents, I feel a lot of empathy to 'em.
However, after two relationships with partners with BPD, NEVER AGAIN lmao. If you tell me you have BPD and don't follow it up with talking about weekly therapy sessions and DBT workshops, I'm out.
You *had* BPD? What, you cured it? You found a magical cure for a personality disorder? You know, the exact sort of thing that you *can’t* cure? Please, tell us your secrets.
I'm sure this information will be used in good faith. XD
ah yes, im definitely not on my way to k!ll someone
I think these traits are present in everyone, I can somewhat identify with all of them.
Everyone has the capacity to lie, cheat, and steal - true psychological development and maturity is just understanding that part of yourself and choosing not to.
I always get super sus when people claim to be full of light, love or purity, gives off very "snake-oil salesman" vibes. People who are just naive to this part of life either get taken advantage of or manipulate others unconsciously.
it depends on how much of those traits are present in you, true most ppl have a bit of ego, entitlement, and, manipulation. but that does not make them nars/psych.
If u find that these traits more dominant than compassion/ love, do seek therapy
@@HEATHENS5074 hahaha nah.
I’m definitely not!
More of a defence to stop people thinking they’re mentally ill just because they noticed it once.
But you’re right, you should definitely go if it’s a common thought pattern!
@@iliketalkingaboutstuff3651 true, totally agreed. I just hate kids who think having metal disorder is considered cool.
Can't blame them, that's what social media propagates
"Too good to be true."
It’s always a spectrum
3:50 - The Flaw here is Agreeableness is RELATIVE.
The Milgram experiment had some people disagree with pressing the button.
*Who exactly is the bad person for disagreeing? Hm?*
*Historically, the most terrible things - war, genocide, and slavery - have resulted not from disobedience, but from obedience. ~ Howard Zinn*
To the dualistic mindset they have trouble understanding the above quote, they crave their comfort, their certainty, they evade uncertainty, their discomfort.
Especially certainty from authority.
*They must find it hard to take Truth for authority who have so long mistaken Authority for Truth. ~ Gerald Massey*
They are known as NPCs, Sheeple, Midwits, and my personal label for them, Comfort Campers who are unwilling to think outside their comfort zone.
They have trouble differentiating between morality and legality.
Morality is doing what is right regardless of what you are told.
Obedience is doing what is told regardless of what is right (or illegal).
Agreeableness is the symptom, a byproduct, not the problem.
You're looking at the symptom here, not the disease so to speak.
Disagreeableness is a joke of an indicator when you realize that being moral can and does differ from being agreeable.
There's a time to be agreeable, and then there's a time to be right, sometimes you can't have both.
Ex. You should be my slave and never question me or my authority. Do you disagree?
*Who exactly is the bad person for disagreeing? Hm?*
Are they really both just as bad, the person who thinks slavery is wrong vs the person who thinks slavery is right.
Moral subjectivity aside, I think it is very telling of your character if you think slavery is ok.
It's called character disturbance, a much more reliable indicator than "You don't agree with me so you're bad!".
The real problem is the FIXED mindset, they simply don't change, they ultimately do not want to (it is a choice to abuse and to act upon their power lust to enslave others).
This is where their disagreeableness/incorrigibleness comes into play.
Ayn Rand talks about the Passive Mind being a major issue, but these predators have a rather active and predatory mind, the danger is an active predatory aggressive personality.
To add to the danger, one you can't change, you can't fix them.
No one else can take your place for personal improvement. Fooling yourself is a death sentence for personal improvement.
I've found the Narcissism trait is preferring delusions over reality. This covers their false self they continually put effort into believing they are. It also explains how they get caught, they really thought they wouldn't get caught, see McArthur Wheeler and his "lemon juice turns me invisible" bank robbery for more info and what inspired the Dunning-Kruger model.
I've found the Machiavellian trait is preferring to keep things from others. Such as censorship and deceiving others and not getting caught (you don't know it was me/can't catch me).
I've found the Psychopath trait is I want I take regardless of consequences, this is why they are often caught.
I've found the Sociopath trait is about using and exploiting others without remorse.
I've found the Sadism trait is about your pain is their gain. The Sadist proves the profit motive isn't the only thing that gets them out of bed in the morning.
Aggressive Personalities tend to have a combination of the above, how wonderful.
Dr. George Simon has written much on types of aggression and types of aggressive personalities.
Highly recommend googling his website.
I've done extensive research on all of this, even made a series with Tyr Ravensohn on the Egopath and their Mask of Perfection.
This video is a decent starting point, but the BIG FIVE, OCEAN, is something I disagree with as being a reliable indicator.
*Who exactly is the bad person for not agreeing? Hm?*
The Big Five is not some infallible be-all end-all.
The Big Five does not cover everything like what personality trait is dominant over another resulting in a different personality and a different label…
That’s extremely important but outside the scope of what the big five covers.
FYI: Narcissists/Midwits are notorious for sycophanting, brown nosing and being YES-MEN to those in power.
Flying Monkeys are very obedient and agreeable to whatever their master tells them to do and who to hurt.
As Friedrich Nietzsche put it, The Slave creates The Herd to destroy the Higher Man.
*Who exactly is the bad person for agreeing? Hm?*
Also I just want to add the Dark Traits are surprisingly good at appearing as other benevolent traits.
Much like how people can't tell the difference from confidence vs arrogance until it's too late.
They are untrustworthy. The only thing you can trust them with is being untrustworthy.
They are reliably unreliable.
5:28 - Yeah, don't have empathy for them. THEY choose to REMAIN that way.
The majority of them can change, just like they know how to act when they could get in trouble so don't.
The point is they won't, they are perfectly fine with their behavior and you aren't EVER changing their FIXED mind.
Pity for the guilty is treason to the innocent ~ Any Rand.
Behavior is a choice and their abuse is a choice. They only change masks and victims.
Well damn. Punchlines on punchlines. Wish i understood all this.. i hear it and understand the logical connections between the ideas, but i fell i don't *understand it* understand it. Psychology and psychiatry.. and i also feel like i got traits in all these, but i might be a pessimist. Should i read or see a shrink?
@@terrenceduarte5348 Read and watch the videos I talked about. If it doesn't click, it just means you haven't experienced such depravity which is ok. You'd know if you were the aggressor.
There is no substitute for experience.
What is NPC?
Honestly, i have more machiavelen traits than im happy to admit, i had a bad childhood, bouncing from place to place and foster home to foster home. Eventually i lost all respect for the adults in my life who i saw constantly failing to do the right thing for me and my siblings. I became uber independant and only cared about the well being of myself and them. Eventually we were adopted by a good family and those thoughts never went away they just became centered around me. I was never outright malicous to people, but i was a manipulator. I would say and do whatever i thought i needed to in order to get ahead or to put myself in a better position. Manipulating people with kind words, sad childhood stories, or purposefully misinterpreted facts and ideas as the situation called for it. I still catch myself doing it to this day. I thought that as long as i wasnt using it to hurt people and just better my life with it then it was no big deal, by telling myself the world is a scary place and everyone does it to some extent. At the end of the day, manipulation is manipulation and yet with that understanding i still find it hard to resist doing it to this day. Its just so useful in life, and its scary to think about how easily the world opens up to you when you adopt that mindset. Actually as I've written this out, its dawned on me why I've always been interested in business, finance and debate. It comes so easy when you aproach it from my previous mindset. See i did it a little there, its still apart of my mindset i just choose to be better and yet i try to convince myself even now that its all in the past😅. Anyways this got long so i doubt anyone will read it, but its nice to ruminate on things and i find it comes easier when you write it all out. Hopefully some life experience and time will make things easier, im only 20 after all.
You know I’ve been through very similar things and I can tell you yes it’s wrong to manipulate, but you were a child and your whole future depended on whether your family loved you. It’s survival instincts and you understood that at a young age. Once you become a manipulator you can never really go back, but instead use your powers for good to help others like you? Not everyone was smart enough to figure that out as a kid, but you did
And… you lost all respect for the adults in your life because they kept breaking your trust… it’s suppose to be a 2 way street but not everyone is capable earning it, so they demand it instead thinking you’d blindly follow. You knew better than that 👍
You’re 20 now and it sounds like you have family that you like (so lucky!) and your days are no longer needing to survive.
Also… I’m 21 and live everyday afraid of myself because… it was so easy
Last time I checked, I scored pretty high on both narcissistic and machiavellian traits.
It takes conscious effort to actually speak truthfully about my feelings and problems with others. Not just look like I'm putting in effort but really strife to be better. It's hard.
I have psychopathy traits. I killed animals when I was a small kid and even when I was a teen. I just try to hide my aggression because I was taught in Catholic school that Jesus don't like cruelty. But it springs from deep within and sometimes just pops in your head that you want to do "something violent" for thrills and satisfaction. It's hard, there are times that I think of killing people especially those that I don't like or have offended me. I hold grudges and remember offenses against me.
Kudos to your self awareness and honestly.
i killed animals too, like tortured them and it was satisfying, i remember i caught some rats on a sticky trap then set it on fire just to smile and laugh at it- edit: i also pierced it with toothpicks before the fire
Same (to an extent).
@@jaylanm5133 omggg you're so cool and edgy
@@banks3980 ian trying to be edgy im just saying my story
Finally, I understand machiavellianism. Before I didn't know how they would specifically manipulate, the only answer I'd really get was "They're manipulative.". I'm grateful for this video showing up in my recommended.
It's sad how our mainstream society calling every bad thing Machiavellian because they're too linear to understand that Machiavelli wasn't a bad person and he didn't encourage tyranny on the contrary he was realistic it's better to be feared than to be loved if it's impossible to combine both and he was absolutely right.
Later generations adapt words to suit contemporary ideas with little interest in maintaining any link to the past meanings.
Cynics were originally the followers of Antisthenes & Diogenes (‘dog-like), but I think it was during the enlightenment that it was converted to its current definition to suit the need for insulting those they disagreed with
This.
Plus twin-studies are bunk anyway. Did you use Monozygotic or Dizygotic twins? Male or female? Where was each twin-set from? Did you consider for adoption? Etc. Simply saying, "We did a twin study and..." is garbage that the media passes around on the daily.
Machiavelli himself refutes a lot of what people say about him.
Stop, go back and read what you wrote. Your response is exactly what he's talking about. Maybe you should go read up on your history. He was also a sociopath. Go take ownership of yourself dude.
@@williamhood7548 The whole point of talking about twin-studies is to dive into the genetics. As such, you change the enviroment but the traits, in this case, prevail. Read a paper on the studies they talk about and check for yourself.
The fact that, to this day, people preconize being feared as something to strive for is shameful for us a society.
I've been confused for a psychopath on occasion because my TBI kind of numbs extreme emotions and emotional connections. They're still there, just... slightly numb is the best way to describe it.
I definitely have had many narcissistic traits throughout my life. But going to therapy, and becoming sober.. and putting myself in the other persons shoes have really helped me to feel more empathy for others.
To the *incredible person* seeing this, I wish you all the best in life❤ don't over blame yourself, accept things and go forward. Don't let others define what “success” is for you. Get up, learn the skills needed and get after it, all the keys to a happy life is in your hands. Keep pushing.
Nicely said.
I think people who scatter random kindnesses around on the internet are the least to be trusted.
@@stejer211 Sure, maybe mate. However when you realize how little it takes from you to encourage others you’ll get to understand. Nonetheless it’s well understood the message is not for everyone. Thanks a lot for your time.
@@thechancellor- You're creepy, are you religious?
@@stejer211 😊
What sad is a certain politician was asked during an open forum interview if he's a Machiavellian and then answered yes, blah blah blah, and concluded he's definitely a Machiavellian. The interview spread like a wildfire to the public because they say this politician was smart since he know what that fancy word means. Fans are yelling like crazy and is starting to romanticize the word as if being a Machiavellian is a good character for politicians running on the position.
so true. and not them trying to interpret machiavellianism as a good one, it's just like saying that 2/3 of the dark triad can be a good one too.
This video talks about the psychological Machiavelli rather than the political one which while harsh and manipulative like the psychological use is also based on Machiavelli’s other works like his books on the Roman republic. A person who understands what Machiavelli says in his books and it’s context reaps the benefits which in my personal opinion leads to the best leaders and heads of state
For me, a psychopath is someone who suffered so much in childhood that they learned to feel nothing, not even fear, for self-preservation. However, there are different ways to handle this condition, and many people sort out the conflict between being unafraid and wanting to be good by becoming firefighters or policemen. After all, who but a madman would enter a burning building or risk being shot to save someone they don't even know?
Precisely, and think about it, we all stem from the same insane primates who decided to play with fire, much to our benefit =D
If the world requires a little sanity to be interesting and give us everyone we enjoy, so be it. Sometimes it takes a psychopath like stalin to defeat a psychopath like hitler. =/ thus their battles were some of the most grotesque in ww2. Can you imagine if a western army gunned down their own civilians to prevent their forces from being confused and slowed down?
Actually psychopaths are born that way, the thing you're referring to are sociopaths
@@simplevideosenthusiast7864 There's a generally agreed upon genetic element that encourages the development, but there is NO 100% heritability of psychopathy, if there was, it would be a world wide epidemic that would be more harshly addressed, just like how mothers sometimes do epidurals to make sure their child isn't going to have some severe birth defect.
So no, no child is BORN a psychopath. But a child is more LIKELY born into a psychopathic household (thus genetics) and that environment will drastically determine what they grow up into. if you take evolutionary biology into account, genetics, and environment are two sides of the same coin. You can't separate them. At the same time, pointing to genetics as this concrete thing that absolutely determines behavior, couldn't be further from the truth.
Sociopaths, and psychopaths are still argued over their exclusive differences, some argue they aren't even any different.
If you want an example of 'heritibility' of genes, take schizophrenia. It has on average a 4% chance of being passed on genetically. Now, add a schizophrenic parent to the mix, suddenly, that's now 7%, now include a divorce, or a child being rehomed, that schizophrenia chance now increases to 10% and if their new home happens to have a similar environment and a parent with schizophrenia, guess what, the chance of that child developing schizophrenia just jumped to 17%
So I'd be less tempted to point to genetics as this concrete explanation for human behavior. Generally there's a 20/80 rule. 20% genetics, 80% environmental are the generally agreed upon factors in human behavior.
That's more associated with anti personality disorder or just levels of psychopathy. A actual psychopath is born that way
Myself and my son are and were firefighters. We are not psychopaths. We have high empathy and enjoy danger for the rush. But mostly we like helping people and this fulfills us.
for me, i used to be very cold because I felt excluded from society in public school. Introducing socialization in more small groups creates a feeling of closeness. I was always hiding feelings, It's not that I didn't have them. I didn't feel safe having them. So getting used to dealing with social situations in a tight-nit environment that allowed me to go at my own pace and taught me to cope was helpful. But that was because it was a lighter autistic trait that could be coped with. I don't know about others.
Thank you for sharing :)
Having grown up in an abusive environment with an egocentric father, 2 older brothers (one a narcissistic bully and the other is likely a sociopath), and my mother is an pacifist, I always find videos like this interesting and wonder if or where I may land in the spectrum. In my adult life I recognize that I have extreme emotional detachment and trust issues, don't care about power or control (I've turned down every management position I've been offered after the first one), and do my best to avoid people (I enjoy sleeping on the ground in the forest by myself as an escape). That being said, if a town burned down and everyone in it died, I am not likely to have an emotional response (bad by societal standards, great for my line of work as I deal with death a lot). That aside, I believe that the more I understand how other people think, the more I understand myself and the better I can productively function in society.
Yes for all three I engaged with others with these issues. I even had to search with when I found out my mother was a narcissist. It allowed me to see people differently not judging them but looking at the mirror to see within for any flaws which needed to become healed on the inside. Plus homeschooling my Chidren this is the main talk: Mental health101!
🙏❤️great video!
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🔥 *1) "Don't compare yourself to someone else, compare yourself to your yesterday's self."*
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I learned that some of my more Machiavellian thoughts or strategies were most often just a response to a situation where I felt that people were not acting in a “right manner”, and I was afraid that their actions would affect me in a bad way. I recognize it as a way to express discontentment…
Beautiful thought. This matches me. Hadn´t think that way yet.
I had those fears too. It definitely becomes a struggle with autism because I become hypercritical of my own social actions and beat myself up for days or weeks or more.
All 3 Here. I found community, humility and mindfulness help me.
Married 23 years to a dark triad. The psychological and physical abuse sustained is incomprehensible. went back to college, got a degree in Psychology and now trying to get the abuser in court for compensation and place him outside of reach of the general population; incarceration.
THIS should be taught in school
why, every normal school only want to make typical money worker ........
It is, in Psychology
Very nice and informative video, you should do more videos on similar topics like aspd narcissism and other cluster B personality disorders
In my experience empathizing with any of these types enables them, and they use that empathy to get away with no self- accountability.
People are a mix of these. I was tested and score lower than average on narcissism but quite a bit higher than average on both Machiavellianism and psychopathy.
Some sources will tell you that narcissism can in fact develop in one's early childhood as either a result of their parents praising them to an extreme degree, or as a defense for neglect and or abuse. Often times it is the latter, narcisists almost universally feel horrible about themselves deep down and should be helped if nothing else. Obviously psychopathy and machiavellianism are another story but that doesn't mean that people suffering with such shouldn't be treated with compassion, they are people after all.
@@randomantguy24 I'm familiar with the root causes of narcissism. Feel free to use the compassion approach to deal with the narcissists in your life. I will continue to chase them out and lock them out of my life for the safety and protection of me and my loved ones. I'm not having tea parties with folks who have declared war on me and tried their best to destroy me.
@@sunshinepatricia2441 you appear to have a very warped view of people with the dark triad, please do further research instead of simply buying into stereotypes.
@@randomantguy24 Your opinion on how I run my life is irrelevant. My experience with narcissists is not with stereotypes but real and I have been dealing with different types of narcissists my whole life. Find someone else to misinform.
i have the machiavelli trait but i dont care too much about money, sure i need it but im not greedy or in "love" with it. i can be very cold and be manipulative but throughout the years ive decided not to be cold or manipulative anymore because people can despise you. i found that being respected and being respectful is a much better way to carry on with your life.
i can always tap into this state of mind on demand which i believe is a perk. its better to be dark and learn to be light than to be light and having to learn to be dark or never being able or not being capable to be dark isnt such a good thing in my eyes.
"Whats better, to be born good or to overcome your evil nature through great effort"-- Paarthurnax.
Also known as the three things you need to succeed in business
Most of these traits describe my former supervisor. I'm not employed again yet but my life has improved more than I can describe for not being exposed to him anymore. I feel sorry for my former coworkers.
I follow scientific temper and rationalism. I don't hesitate to change myself if situation requires.
To answer the question at the end,
Narcist: "I'm not any of those three. I am good."
Psychopath: "I don't care."
Machiavellian: "So what?"
Narcist: "I'm not any of those three. I am good."
right........ about that
My mom is a narcissist. She passed all her traits to me. Now being a mother myself. I refuse to pass them to my child. I no longer communicate with my mom. I had to restructure my entire life and my thinking. It’s hard but it’s doable. I’m the generational curse breaker in my family. My daughter is well worth it and I do it unapologetically. ❤
I think most people are misunderstanding Machiavellianism. To begin with, most people misunderstand Machiavelli. In The Prince, he discusses the strategies that work without being bogged down by what is necessarily the nicest thing to do. He is loyal to the long term good. For example, if someone assassinated another king to stop a war, that is objectively better because only one or two people die in an underhanded way instead of a hundred thousand dying in battle. "it is better to be feared than loved if you cannot be both" is the full quote. It is a thought process where we take the objective and long term best strategic move to get what we want, over the nice actions. However, when it is taken too far it can become downright evil. This happens when they are solely loyal to themselves. I will do what I need to do to get what I want, but that does not necessarily mean I will manipulate people to do so. I would rather find an efficient way to get what I want by timing my requests when someone is in a good mood, talk to the right people so I have high-power connections, or to make my independent moves to get myself an opening to a promotion. This does not mean that I will use a silver tongue to weasel myself into someone's good graces by making my opponents look bad, I would rather just make myself look better and wait for them to make a mistake on their own. It is a thought process that turns the world into a chess board, you aren't nice on a chess board, you don't persuade or frighten your opponent to make a move, you simply make it so you can win no matter what your opponent does.
It makes absolute sense! Thank you for showing a different aspect of Machiavellianism.
@@sprouts You're welcome. I have been rather obsessed with Machiavelli for a few years now, and I would say I'm pretty Machiavellian, but whenever I watch anything about it no one explains it like I actually think.
These are traits that we all have to some degree. A trait becomes a mental disorder when it is over expressed in a person to the point it causes harm to themselves or others. This channel needs to do a segment on medical students disease and it's effect on studying abnormal psychology, if they haven't already of course.
Psychopaths tend to think every person has those traits.
I think psychopathy isn't nearly as bad as the other two traits. Because psychopaths can use reason to follow morals. Though some psychopaths might be murderers, a psychopath might very well be better surgeons for example; as it's probably really stressful, but if you don't really care, it might be easier.
This is true, I hear they make good surgeons 😅
Probably sounds weird for some people, but it's the truth.
Kinda hard to explain. One day I just felt guilt for manipulating people and desided to stop. It was very wird
What drove u to do it in the first place? Did u deliberately try to take advantage of people? Why would u do this
@DSD - Downshift Dave I didn't do it deliberately. What drove me is a weird question because I did not consciously start doing it and it is hard to stop once you start. It's like digging a hole for yourself. And for a reason I did it, well, it made my life easier and I really didn't think there was anything wrong with it. If you have any more questions feel free to ask.
Seems like you have been called for great things considering our short existence don't waste time. Today I started writing my first book what's going to be your legacy?
Praise God
Therapy, religion, humiliation, humility, and learning to identify self with those surrounding… compassion.
Personal opinion:- having a balanced mix of those three would be phenomenal and benifical
I registered on the dark triad and I never chose to be this way. I envy other people constantly
Don't worry, we're just as miserable.
here's a solution just be aware of yourself aware of all the things these personalities does
just thinking about everything before i actually do it or while im doing it always keeps me in control of myself
like if im being a lil narcissist im constantly thinking about how much is too much and like meh it's fine everyone does it
or before controling (don't wanna say manipulate) i think yeah it wouldn't hurt them in any way so it's fine
and im always cold can't help it but using logic instead of emotions works i never get physical
...bro youre fine
Machiavellianism should be taught in schools.
....seek therapy
lol...........😂
it is thought but we don't that consiously
School is very ANTI MACH, further increasing it!
@@HEATHENS5074he's right. While we shouldn't always be a machiavellianist, by learning it we learn how to not be played. You see those corporations, those greedy ceo's and bankers. Their successful by manipulating us, THE PEOPLE. it is only by learning that we can pull them down to their proper place.😊
@@Querian oh yeah.. i get what he meant. I was kinda dumb 2 years ago
I worry about some of this. My mother was a covert narcissist. It has affected my sister and I in different ways. I just assume I'm a monster too and try to be aware of my behavior toward others and practice self-control.
Kudos for your self awareness!
If you were one: you would never acknowledge any wrongdoings especially in public. You would continue to lie and manipulate even if proof presented to you about the lies etc etc.
@@TheAnianite I hope thats true. I don't want to be 'that person.'
No worries, dear. You aren’t alone. We are in the same boat. We aren’t perfect. We can’t control others but we can control ourselves. Just do our best & let God do the rest. I believe in prayers and I pray for family unity. Trust me, have faith in God. 🙌💪
Omg whoever you are you understand me..
Thanks!
Welcome! Thank you 🙏
As long as you assert sufficient self-control (learnable trait), and set some strict rules to strictly obey - one can find many ways to exploit and integrate their own "dark" traits to be actually useful instead of harmful.
I’m a bit late to the discussion but just found this so here’s my two pence worth. I was recently diagnosed with a BPD, scoring high on the Machiavelli and Psychopathy and low on narcissism. The label the professionals have attached to me is “dark empath” (they love their labels) but the long and short of it is I can empathise with people but that empathy is dialled up or down in each circumstance.
I’m a strong case study for the nature/nurture debate though. Always been different even as a child but I was lucky to be born into a well off caring and loving family. As such I’ve had a very successful military career that has lead to an even more successful career in management consulting. As you brought up in the video my personality is ideal for what I do. The only hindrance it has caused is in my personal life, I really struggle to make meaningful connections with others and I’m seen as “a bit of a loaner” also three divorces by the time I’m 44 each caused by me and my behaviour. I’m not violent but I have cheated and tend to put myself and my own needs over my partners.
I will say there’s plenty of help out there for anyone with these traits but also remember as well as being a hindrance they can also be your superpower if used right.
Thanks for sharing this ! Very insightful
So don't go to family dinners.
Therefore, no prison time.
Excellent psych 101
aizen orochimaru kabuto.
That’s what I do most of the time
family dinners are terribly depressing to hear your aunts and uncles and parents talk about their childhoods, how many times they were beat....then you just think to yourself "yeah...things are starting to make a lot more sense." and the fact that they were saying it with a smile and laughing about it...was even more depressing.
Holy, no one described it better. good one dude
@@mrbounceoffwithdat4420 🙏
Hi, guys! I'm a highly functional psychopath, narcissist and obviously find delightment in applying machiavellian strategies to subject others to my will! And would love to help anyone talking about my experience as such! Great video! Btw, I'm just kidding, but I can help telling you about a friend of mine... hahaha
You can't be both narcissist and a psychopath
@@apatheticxmindsetx3549actually you can, my mum is a malignant narcissist also a sadist
As a machiavellist, the title got my attention and i wanted to check this video out. And oh my, i feel exposed! It is so spot on! How lovely
I naturally inherited a lot of the dark triad traits but my mom is the best mom in the world and helped me to be conscious of these things and to know the value of other people
I'm perfect -- I'm not mad, bad, or dangerous to know. 🙂
It's a cool video.
And I would really appreciate if content creators about the Dark Triad Traits would mention like here at 2:39 that it's *subclinical* narcissism, *subclinical* psychopathy and first introduce (for didactic reasons) the difference of two concepts: clinical psychology (mental disorders of a few number of people and you are not talking about those things here) and Personality Traits and what is considered a subclinical trait and when we use this term (the difference is ALL people have personality traits, which you are talking about here and why you are in the field of Personality Psychology not Clinical).
There's unnecessary confusion about the words narcissism and psychopathy out there in the public because of the lack of making it clear to people who didn't study psychology at university.. *Subclinical narcissism in the dark triads is different from the clinical narcissm of narcissistic personality disorder.* and *subclinical psychopathy is not mentioned in clinical psychology, it's antisocial personality disorder* and those are two different types of concepts as well. You can't diagnose a person as a psychopath... Those things seem petty to some people but you don't understand the dark triads traits if you mix those things up with clinical diagnosis...
It's like computer science, you can talk about creating a robot and then you are in the field of robotics and you can talk about machine learning systems and both belong to computer science but are very different fields and of course they are connected..
Thanks.
Blah blah blah
Definitely got some dark triad stuff going on 😅
Having compassion for people like this is precisely what they feed on. Recognizing and calling them out would be a better help to them so maybe they can get some help.
I agreed with more of the stuff in this video than I’d like to admit
This sure does explain a lot of politicians.
Psychopathy is not a mental disorder (2:41), it can’t be used as a diagnosis. The diagnosis/disorder can be classified as antisocial personality disorder. Psychopathy and sociopathy are not valid disorders/diagnosis.
im a dark empath, I can see exactly what people want and say or do it for them if I know I can leverage it on them farther for myself later for a greater payoff for myself while also making the other person feel like they are receiving charity. idk what to do about it. I can make any animal love me or hate me on a whim. I have no idea why I can but I can even feed random squirrels on the sidewalk but I can make a dog piss it's in fear when I walk In
The Disney Company should hire you as their next villain. Or lawyer.
XDDD I'm white empath on contrast, like Michael Jackson you know
Many people are born with these three personality traits but by staying positive and having a upbeat Outlook you can push yourself away from the dark side. Staying away from those who have them because you become like the people you hang around.
This a really great, informative and educative video.
Machievelli gets such an unfair stick from historians and general population...
Thank you!!!
Seems like a Machiavellianist is a psychopath with expensive education.
You should watch a Ted-ed video where they explain how the word Machiavellian may be used wrong and different interpretations of “The Prince”.
@@ThijsAnglim i own a copy of the book with added modern annotations. did the same thing and more.
the whole controversy is honestly quite funny when you view it through modern lense.
@@sudanemamimikiki1527 wow, what is the name of this edition?
I think I'm a Machiavellianist. I also think that I became this way because of how I was treated as a kid.
I had many ''friends'' that I would play with almost everyday. They would mistreat me in several ways, (I was an easy target because I am insecure, super shy and wasn't used to fake friends/manipulative people). A few examples are: My bestfriend always kicking me and one day beating me up for no reason (I snapped and beat her so hard she stopped kicking me so that was nice), ''friends''' ignoring me on purpose, never letting me join them, a big sister of my ''friend'' always pushing me and my sister into bushes and just always bossing me around. I was one of the sweetest people ever back then and I had never done anything wrong to any of them. I just don't get why I was treated that way and I still feel sad about it.
Now I just feel like I can't be TOO nice. If I'll be too nice, they'll just use me all over again. What I mainly do is insincerely flatter people. I don't trust people anymore. I'm also getting bullied now, it's been going on for around 2 years. It's probably still going on because I can't be assertive directly (I'm passive agressive and I bottle up emotions).
I don't know if I'm actually a Machiavellianist but if I'm not please don't judge me for being wrong. Thanks and have a nice day :)
uh, hi
Hi, It might save you read this
Understanding manipulation techniques and tactics is crucial to protect yourself. Here are some of the most common and effective manipulation techniques employed by both normal and master manipulators:
**1. Gaslighting:** -
**Description:** Manipulator makes you doubt your own perceptions, memories, and sanity.
- **Tactic:** Denying they said or did something, minimizing your feelings, or shifting blame.
**2. Emotional Blackmail:** -
**Description:** Using emotions, threats, or guilt to control your behavior. -
**Tactic:** Saying things like "If you loved me, you'd do this for me" or using threats of harm.
**3. Love-Bombing:** - overwhelming you with an excessive amount of affection, attention, compliments, gifts, and other displays of love or admiration in a short period of time.
Love bombing is when someone showers you with an overwhelming amount of affection, compliments, attention, and gifts in a very short time to manipulate or control you.
**Description:*
- **Tactic:** Showering you with compliments, gifts, and affection in the beginning of a relationship.
**4. Silent Treatment:** -
**Description:** Ignoring or refusing to communicate as a way to manipulate. -
**Tactic:** Giving you the cold shoulder until you comply with their wishes.
**5. Playing the Victim:**
- **Description:** Portraying themselves as helpless or suffering to gain sympathy and control.
- **Tactic:** Constantly talking about their problems and expecting you to rescue them.
**6. Triangulation:** -
**Description:** Creating conflict or jealousy by involving a third party. -
Psychopathy and narcissism is not a mental disorder, antisocial personality disorder is a mental diagnosis where as psychopathy and narcissism is actually a personality disorder, as you could have the traits of ever one and still not qualify for antisocial personality disorder.
I was yelled at for lying and manipulation when I was young. People thought I was lying when I was in pain all the time but I did use my pain to be excused from things that looks too hard to do physically.
I noticed that the traits I had were stuff I learned from my parents. I don't think they notice their behavior.
We will do better as a society by teaching people to recognize people with these traits and defending themselves against them than culling them.
The intro doesn't really make sense to me. The narcissist doesn't admit when he's wrong but here openly admits he has the darkest personality. He wouldn't admit to this. Then Machiavellian logic is more about accepting the darker strains of reality as apparent fact, like accepting the bad elements of the ruling order as necessary (e.g accepting that the state has the right to quell protests) I tend to think someone of Machiavellian logic is receptive to those in power not seeking to be in charge of it. The narcist would more likely to be the one to assert his control by stating that it is whoever I want it to be.
Since the psychopaths tend to be the hunters, if you asked them honestly then wouldn't they more than likely be the ones to state that they themselves have the darkest personality? The response from psychopath provided actually comes across as the most reasonable as it pretty much comes across as the live and let live approach - I don't know, I don't care. e.g think of the inner monologue from the TV show Dexter and how he took pride in his actions.
Lastly, the Machiavellian would be most likely to admit they have the darkest personality because those who use this logic tend to be proud of their Machiavellian logic which goes hand in hand with having a dark personality. Machiavellianism also isn't always a personality trait and unlike the others encompasses an actual school of thought. So having a Machiavellian way of thinking is not by default a personality disorder. Narcissism and psychopathy are two recognized psychological disorders ... Machiavelli was a 15th century scholar who wrote books and produced his own theories which grew into the Machiavelli school of thought.
I am diagnosed with machiavellianism and your description was correct according to the basic traits, I grew up rich for a year and then chased adolescence being poor. I believe that my circumstances and abuse as child led me to become very cautious, I am very suspicious of people but in the same sense very calm among them, after all it's not like they all are in the same area or triad as me. One thing I can say with full honesty and experience, these 3s will never be in good terms with each other, it's like fighting a virus with the virus, they completely clash against everything, the one is too cold or too soft, however it is easier for me to be in the company of people with high empathy because their extreme nurturing nature makes them oblivious to intricate details like mirroring. But I am not evil, although I have the design for evil, and the unrelenting desire for power and control, I'm actually very chilled with jot always being in control. I don't know whether this is a fault in my genetics or maybe me wanting to lead a religious life but I feel paradoxical over these things. I hope my statement provided you with a broader perspective on this spectrum, I know many people hate these and I will probably receive hate myself for being born this way, but as you said, I didn't choose to be this way.
if a person is aware of their mistakes and is willing to make things right, they deserve all the love and support ❤
I used to put rules on my self to control it ......but now I don't believe on those rules and liked to rely on my instincts
Oh, snap!
I do have psychopathic tendencies, but I am a strong empathy too. I have cared and cried for others, when they are in pain. But have no endings one way or another, when some people suffer, who I didn't care much for in the first page