@@p1zd3c Yes that’s right too and their were Aussies that came and fought-talking about Forces not individuals! Aussies are supreme fighters and loyal! Meant no disrespect!
Thanks to the Royal Malaysia Regiment ( Mechanised ) as QRF in Somalia then, who put their troopers life on the line to saves the very life of stranded American Rangers n Special Forces n bring most of them out safely. Rest in peace Lance Corporal Aznan Mat Awang, the trooper driver of Malaysian Condor that sacrifice his life to ensured the survival of his Malaysian troopers n US personnels in his APC. Malaysian APC stayed for hours to ensured every surviving members of Malaysian n US personnels are brought out either dead or alive for nobody will be left behind. The truth should not be repressed or erased for the convenient of others.
@Nobody Knows No APCs withdrew..they went ahead without the support of the tanks n proper night vision apparatus. Two APC got destroyed, 1 APC personnel died n seven other combatants from Malaysian side got injured during the gallant rescue operation. They went to the site, loaded up their APCs with the wounded n dead personnel n wait for hours till the last of the dead was retrieved. Those who runs are Deltas n 10th Mountain who do so on they own seeing their comrades fully stacking up inside the APCs. The infamous Mogadishu Mile's Run was covered by Little Birds n other gunships all the way back to the Stadium. To say they were a abandoned by APC was a travesty of justice to what actually occured n sacrified they made.
@Nobody Knows Hahaha..dude if your want to glorify it for yr own satisfaction, l don't care less. The APCs didn't left, it stayed for hours until the body of the first blackhawk pilot was retrieved from the wreckage despite the insistence of some US personnels rescued n already in the APCs. The Malaysians insisted they wait up until all are rescued, dead or alive, got that. Almost hundred of them are cowering inside the APCs, with injuries n some are dead yet for Malaysian soldiers no one deserved to be left behind if they could do something about it n they did. That what esprit de corps is all about, they work as a team n no one is discriminated against in the battlefield, for will fight for whoever next to you. Those who runs behind the APCs are well aware that the priority are for those injured n dead. Perhaps for the likes of you, nothing matters in such situation except saving one's own ass but for the Malaysians, the country, the comradeship, the duty entrusted n their honor are way beyond themselves. They faced fear head on, that what was instilled in them during their training. They courageously put their fate in their strong spiritual belief in their religion n if the inevitable happened, they will embraced n accepted it. Perhaps the deltas n rangers who runs behind the APCs are more aware of the situation n preferably made the ultimate choice. Read up on the recurring events from the books, journals n admissions from the US soldiers. The real soldiers did not complaints but only praises for the efforts n sacrifice made towards their comrades by the Malaysian rescuers. If not for the gallant efforts of the Malaysian, there probably be hundreds of American families back home mourned the loss of their loved ones...if those involved respectfully recognized n appreciates the effort done, why can't you? Hahaha...my linguistic proficiency n competency is immaterial in expressing my views n your efforts in trying to distorted my arguments by simply picking on my comprehension flaws was laughable.
@Nobody Knows Hahaha..taken such creative liberties with cartoon minded portrayals instead of accurate historical perceptives..what an amusing deductions of naivety you got. Lets get a few facts straight, the deputy commander of US task force under Major Gen Garrison was requested to seek assistance from UNOSOM Contigent after their numerous failures to rescued their personnel. UNOSOM wasn't informed or given shared intelligence of the operation by the US Command initially. After pleading his case to the UNOSOM Command, the US Colonel was briefed on what available in their needs of assistance. The Pakistani have MBT which are task to lead the convoys, US Little Birds n Blackhawk will provide air covers, while the Malaysian have the Belgian's made APCs which unfamiliar to US forces to operate. Initially the US commanders prefer to borrow the APC but after scrutinizing the complex handling of the Belgian made Condors, accepted that Malaysian crew had more skills n experience required. The US command n the US Colonel present acknowledged this fact n it is almost impossible to get US personnels familiar on how to operate the Condor APCs within short period of time, for US forces have a totally different American made APCs in their inventories. The QRF contingent which comprises of 114 men of GGK, Royal Malay Regiments n APCs crews from Malaysian Mechanised Battalion was chosen and they are given two hours to packed themselves with whatever needed for the operation. Actually they were briefed by their commanders of the task n the prevailing situation therefore were asked to volunteer, all wanted to go, for it is within Malaysian psyche that they need to commit in these together, as they are brothers in arms, but considering the space within the APCs are limited n not conducive to accomodate such large numbers as well as the insistence of the US Major General Garrison that members of 10th Mountain are to be inserted within the convoys, the Malaysian commanders agreed that APCs three main crew unit will be going with two GGK as backup for each APC as well as members of US 10th Mountain out of Fort Drum totally packed in the APCs. It was a joint command operation both on n off the field. I'm not into glorifying certain groups but mainly stating facts about Malaysian troopers mental state, psyche n sense of esprit de corps. I reckons the US military personnels are as enthusiastic n anxious to have their trapped comrades rescued. For them to be left behind for such honors n glory is unthinkable. Not to volunteers as their brothers in arm had, is an insult by itself. But they accepted n obeyed their commanders instructions. There are also other vehicles involved including humvees n military trucks in the convoys. Some of the soldiers are inserted in the blackhawks. GGK stands for Specialist Force Troopers. There are groups of GGK unit inserted much earlier for reconnaissance purposes n gathering intels on the ground. It took them couple of hours up to the morning before all of them were back in the safety of the Stadium. It already way past 10.00 pm local time when the depart from their assembly point n due to the urgency, some of the Malaysian troopers had to forego their dinner. When approaching the main junction leading to target area, the convoy which had been bombarded with small arms assault in the beginning, began to be mercilessly attacked with heavier weaponry by the rebels. These is when the accompanying MBTs decided to stopped n turned around by reasons of not having night vision capability. The Malaysian APCs commanders decided that they have to pushed on ahead despite their Condors too, does not have that capability. The convoy was slowed down by burning n barricaded wreckage along the route but they persisted, then two leading APCs was struck by RPGs assault, in which one of the driver was fatally wounded. The leading officers in the other APCs n convoy retrieved the two destroyed APCs occupants during the blistering attacks from both sides of the road. These are well documented events recorded n written extensively by the US n Malaysians who personally involved in the efforts. Malaysian military considered technicalities in their efforts as matters of classified information n even those whose still donning their uniforms refused to talk openly n considered their task as dutifully fulfilling tasks required n entrusted to them. The medias in Malaysia only pickup the issue when the US blatantly ignored n refused to acknowledged the sacrifices made by others in rescuing their personnels, which they finally do a few years back by admission of John Kelly, a US Under Secretary, a representative of then US President Barack Obama during the officiating ceremony of the UN PeaceKeeping Forces Training Center in Port Dickson, Malaysia. The timeless and high sense of valor, courage n honors made by Royal Malay Regiment ( Mechanised ) in rescuing the US rangers n deltas in Mogadishu debacle. Did l made any inaccurate perceptions of the whole event? I don't made insistence n l'm not into belittling others of their efforts, as they do what they had to do. They were not left behind, they realized their brothers in arms, either injured or dead are in those APCs, n there no more space in that APCs that can accomodate all of them. They made a choice on their own free will, to ensured the safety n survival of their comrades, why do you have to disrespect and dishonored their choices? I reckons they, those rescued are grateful that some strangers, foreigners unknowned to them, willing to put their own lives at stake to rescued them, is it too hard for you to accept that fact? Perhaps yr over glorified perceptions had clouded yr judgment in seeing the truth or probably felt more convenient in repressing it.
In memory of Lcpl Mat Aznan Awang (later Corporal, posthumous) MALBATT(Malaysian Battalion) died in Bakaraa Market, Mogadishu on the 4th October 1993 during rescue operation. Btw, the apc is German not Russian made.
Innalilahiwainalilahirojioun.. Alfatihah to late Lt Mat Aznan Awang, we will never forget your sacrifice, dignity & glory to our country..also to all veterans who still alive i salute u..
Bro you know that Somali government has a good relationship with Malaysia and Aideed asked his troops not to fight with Muslim troops in the UN mission .. in reality i was there and remember how so-called rangers were terrified and running for their lifes
I have had to adjust my way of thinking about this whole issue. My son CWO 2 who lost his life and can not speak in his behalf would have Married and gave his Mom and myself some Grand children. He was our only child but he had a mind of his own and will of his own. We miss you Charlie.
I am deeply sorry for your loss Sir. Riding home in a C130 with my brothers lying in flag draped coffins is a horrible, hellish feeling. I cannot imagine the grief if they were my sons. Thank you for your boys service Sir. I know that may be little condolence. We all owe your son a debt that can never ever be repaid. And believe me when I say if I could trade places with any of those men, I would. God bless
im sorry for this but more over im sorry that all americans dont have the utmost appreciation, respect, and understanding for the situation. its really sick to me that your entire family isnt set up for life because of your sons sacrifice, while this country spends money on pointless name slandering media.
Eventhough Msia n Pakistan were muslim, they hold the principle of no left behind in the spirit of army corps.They willing to die to save their friend from US army and ya..as i know 1 Msia army died in Rpg attack at their APC.Pay condolesence to all fallen warrior..
Pakistani brother left alone the malaysian army .they make a u-turn and run away but malaysian army stay still go foward. Even though malaysian people is small in size but we are big in courage...that the spirit all army should have...we malaysian still did not forget what our pakistani brother done to our malaysian tiger...
@@rozitaomar5044 brother u came with your armies to colonize our country and sorry for the deaths but I am happy u guys got humiliated, the same thing will happen again if u come with ur armies
This is documentary based on the interviews with Malaysian army who served in UN peace mission in Mogadishu. The Malaysian army personnels described their true experiences there, especially what really happened during their rescue mission of American soldiers who were trapped at Bakara. Viewers can use English translation in the caption settings. TQ. th-cam.com/video/SWjlWcsOnqU/w-d-xo.htmlsi
even US got elite army(and modern tools gun) underated malaysia army willing take the offer to help witout full equipment. How can Sir Muhammad willing to change his life with all injured US army and died body, as compensation for money? why somalia people collect the body as respect to malaysia army. 1 day after the war Farah Aidid tell his people ‘Dont touch black tiger(malaysia army)’. it mean in war enemy also have heart.
Malaysian filmmaker with the cooperation of Malaysian Armed Forces will produce a film about the true story of what actually happened in Somalia (BlackHawk Down). This film will be released in 2021.
@@sabakka-e5u in black hawk they didn't even show Malaysia Armies come to save the Elite of US force. The movie will name " BAKARA" where is the place happened , and the stories about of Malaysia Armies sacrifices and one of Malaysia Armies himself to save his friends and US elite armies.
@@sabakka-e5u the Malays act like they had a huge part in the battle when in reality they didn't even want to go into Bakara in the first place. Like in the book and the movie their APC drivers drove off leaving the Rangers and Delta to run out, it took a Delta guy pointing his weapon at one of the Malay APC drivers to get him to stop
@@slappymcgillicuddy7532 i think you were referring to the Pakistanis. They had APCs as well and were part of the force to extract the Americans. The Pakistanis went away during the night, while the Malaysians stayed with the US till morning when after loading all the dead and wounded on the APCs
Around the Olympic Hotel, one of the convoys came under a significant volume of fire, resulting in several more casualties and leading to the Malaysian APC's refusing to advance further into the heavy barrage
Tell me about it, the first bullet over my head was 15 years ago... I still think it was just last October. Still, take the chance to talk to some 80+ people, that'll trip you up when they talk about a time when people only had radios when they fought wars ;)
I read the book. It was insane. I don't understand how you guys were able to tell what was what in that dust, downed choppers, darkness, confusion, etc.
@@manteltwinkelwink2271 if you saw the movie black hawk down and thought it was excellent the book is a million times better. Has vastly more detail and depth.
I remember being on the side of the airfield in the middle the night when Michael Durant finally made it back home. My father is a Nightstalker for life.
Most American don't acknowledge Malaysia Battalion was the ones who rescue these guys and if not because the courage and sense of comradery, these veterans won't have the chance to sit there today... As much as I like Blackhawk Down movie, I feel sad and betrayed that there is no Malaysian actors at least invited to act and to portrayed those Malaysia soldiers who drove those 4 armoured vehicle into the city and being rained with mortar, RPG and machine guns to the rescue.... Now only after 25 years? Just wow....
This was an incredibly clear and valuable illustration of the spectrum of perspectives on combat leadership. This seems to be a perfect panel of speakers for training officer cadets. There is Col. VanArsdale with the view from the TOC and the Commander's intent. There is Sarn't Lamb, the professional NCO who gets things done....always....And then there's LT Perino, who is YOU, young Lieutenant, who must communicate and lead while your mission shifts focus and all goes to hell in a handbasket. It is so important that our future leaders have the opportunity to learn from the experiences of these fine men. I was over there myself, from October '93 to March '94 with 2-22INF 10th MTN.....its good to hear from these old soldiers.
Absolutely, a fascinating interview with combat troops which is quite unique in modern times. Also Sargeant Lamb (strangely an Eddy Van Halen lookalike) sports the best ever beard..
@@marc2638 Roger that, bro.....Bco 1-87 went to Somalia with us, back in 93. I've read everything I could find about 10th MTN in Afghanistan. I've got huge respect for everything you boys went through over there.....proud of ya.
MSG Lamb is totally on point with his comments about that "first time" putting it all on the line. I remember the first raid we did in Baghdad, off intel bought from some former Iraqi army officer, and having to stealthily go up five floors to reach the targets and then ending up posting security as my teammates kicked in a door, then my team leader and I realizing the fucking guys we were after were in the room we were posted on and both of us hitting the floor as two AKs fired through the door at the same time. Luckily for us, the frigging Iraqis use so much concrete in their buildings that the bullets didn't come through the wall we jumped behind. That was crazy and neither of us EVER again took any room or corner for granted. We felt that mixture of fear, shock, and anger that gives you the adrenaline rush you need to keep moving and let the training take over and push you to do what has to get done. Combat sucks, but living through it and surviving to laugh about it later gives you such a freaking new perspective on life.
Did you mind go into a different state or just the training kick in? I know in my career, during incidents, you usually are too deep into it to realize what might happen. Not combat but, exploding jets, ditching plans over the Atlantic, 9/11 scramble under Threatcon Delta etc.
Thank you for your service!!! It is much appreciated!!! I couldn’t ever imagine how service people do what they do, but I am forever thankful for those who have served, so myself, my family & the rest of America can be free!!!!
Well...american people cant accepted it bruh...they think we are malaysian people small cannot save their army..small2 dont die, big2 make people hard😄😄😄😄
They drove armored personnel carriers. Not one of them got out of their vehicles and pulled security, let alone shoot anyone or anything. Yes, the ride was appreciated, just like an uber ride is appreciated.
You can tell at 1:11:15 that Kyle had some memories come back and continued on in such a humbling way. He’s such a stand up guy....all three of these guys are. These are the guys you look up to and aspire to be like in life.
Kyle Lamb. Badass dude. I love how non-PC most spec ops guys are. Great talk on leadership and anybody out there that's aspiring to be a leader needs to hear.
When you live with your life and those lives of your buddies on the line PC is the last thing of any importance. Everyone should take not of this. When we are nearing death, who cares about getting words just right; and who says it is right?
I've had the opportunity to meet SGM Lamb on several occasions at SHOT Show ans he's always been more than willing to chat, ham it up and share his expertise, whether it be shooting, networking or his business acumen. Most of these folks are as nice and salt of the Earth-type folks. Yes, the are a few jerks but they are HEAVILY outnumbered by the good ones. I hope to train with him before he retires from such work.
@Caine Neal Yeah we also did that, until Navy SEAL's had to intervene. We do operate around the world doing these sort of small actions for many reasons.
Had this on my watch later list for a month because i thought it may be a bit of a chore to watch the entire 1h 20m. Ended up watching it when i had a spare few minutes expecting to skip through it and try to find the interesting bits. Then sat glued for the entire 1h 20m, hanging on every word.
@@guharse8805 Well good thing you aren't someone that reps those of us who've been in courses or worked in security orgs w/DoJ/DoD with these larger than life/infamous fellas....Ramble? They both are more quiet professionals than 99% of the frogs, Raiders, overrated singularly lucky sh!theads in some SOCOM org that get movies made about them. They're still talked about TO THIS DAY...*As is Shughart and Gordon BECAUSE ONE REASON ONLY. You know why....The Kyles, Luttrells etc of our time would say some of them ENLISTED because of the book/film these guys inspired. They had no series of heavy trigger time type deployments before Mogadishu, yet they executed the DAs like our top SMU new guys these days at JSOC, believe me. I'd hand my sidearm to Lamb or Arsdale sooooo quick if I had to pick them or a younger SMU vet...You don't realize how much dark dagger ish crap they were into before Somalia, and by that, I mean SIGINT, or maybe doing regular Langley style squirrel work. So..?? Yeah if you call these elder statesmen of death "rambling"? Just save yourself the trouble and bounce out, brother! Adios*
I was never in the armed forces, so I can't imagine the concept in the same capacity you understand it in. However, maybe you could find something similar in a larger complex long term achievement? One of the things that really helped me with depression was having short, medium, and long term goals, with challenging objectives. You may want something with more clearly defined goals that involves a more team oriented structure. Maybe starting a business or something along those lines? Every job/contract is part of a bigger cause, your work is your life and its something to be proud of etc. Seems like that might hold some similarities? In general, modern (civilian) life allows for existence with minimal effort (or at least without serious challenge). I think something that we don't often enough discuss is the need for us to not only be challenged, but also feel like are part of a bigger group. There's probably some ancient evolutionary instincts deeply rooted in those concepts. Anyway, best of luck man. Shit is wild these days.
This is easily the best combat mindset and leadership panel I’ve ever seen. There’s a lot of knowledge, experience, and awesomeness on that small stage. Thanks for sharing this event, and thank you, gentlemen, for your courage and for sharing your insights.
They actually seem they are making up things as they go the way one is asking questions about his very own story They seem to be suffering mental illness too fake laughter and lack of confidence, it seems they have been in a deep depression
Great video. I was with Charlie 1st Btn 9th Marine Regiment. We were called in because of the Battle of Mogadishu. We arrived about week or so after (we were in South East Asia at the time) the battle. We joined with another Marine battalion to form a Marine Expeditionary Brigade. We saw some action in the city but most of our work was in the desert around the city, protecting food and stopping more weapons coming into the city. Hats off to the Rangers and the 10th Mountain, they stayed in the shit the entire time I was there.
@Harisfd1because that's not true. It's a multinational effort of US, Malaysia and Pakistan. Saying Malaysian is the one that saves them is like a one army rambo job.
Thank you so much to all of those who have served to fight for our & others freedom!! Those who lost their lives in combat will never be forgotten, for they made the ultimate sacrifice for a greater good!!! “Freedom ain’t free” so THANK YOU to everyone who has served!!! ❤️💙🙏🏻
General Garrison was a BAD ASS General.. His leadership and experience within the special operations community is practically unrivaled.. Before his General time,, the man served in the one of the most classified, black Units within JSOC,, The Intelligence Support Activity "ISA."
There's a story of him being notorious for secretly sneaking himself inside a darkened out shoothouse and sitting beside a bunch of targets smoking a cuban cigar and rocking aviator sunnies, just before Delta does a live fire CQB
I attended a leadership training (Current Leadership Issues for Executive Officers) where LTC Danny McKnight was a guest speaker. Because it was the same mission, his story is similar. But he tells his side from a very different perspective, through his personal experiences. He was equally as captivating as these gentlemen, to say the least. These are an awesome group of American fighting men; true warriors that are to be held in the highest regard, and shown great respect. My hat is off to these, and other "tried by fire" American heroes. God bless them all.
You can tell that America as a whole has never really experienced war because we worship the hell out of it and always are excited about initiating military actions.
I don't know. My brother saw tons of combat and loved it. He couldn't wait to get back. He said it was the best adrenaline rush he ever had. He loved shooting guys that were shooting at him. He has a hard time with normal life and wishes he was in combat.
"Those who celebrate war never participated in it"....perfect description of all the coward draft dodgers and chickenhawks who make up the conservative side of the media...it's near impossible to find a single veteran among all of those hypocritical warmongers.
What contacts in the JCS told me: The AC-130's were pulled off the mission by the Joint Chiefs of Staff to send them to Brindisi where they thought they would be needed more (they thought the Bosnia-Herzegovina war had a higher priority then) . They tried to pull them from mission prep at Bragg a couple of times in July, but JSOC succeeded in keeping them. On deployment, the JCS staff convinced Gen Powell, then Chairman of the JCS, to leave them out. Supposedly, there were already AC-130s in Brindisi that needed to go back to Hurlburt for depot maintenance. I saw an interview with Powell once where he admitted that this decision was a violation of "The Powell Doctrine" (always give the battlefield commander what he asks for to do his mission) and that it was one of his major regrets looking back at his career. Still, away the task force went without them. A week after Oct 3rd, two AC-130's were sent to Mombasa, Kenya, to fly mission support over Mogadishu. Too late. The crews were pissed they had been left out of the mission and had to sit on their asses while it hit the fan in Mogadishu (this I know first hand from talking with them).
I was in 1/10 SFG in Stuttgart at that time. Regarding Brindisi, other than CSAR, which was just standing by and waiting for a F-16 to crash, it's no mission in contrast to what was happening in Somalia. Very lame excuse if that's what they used. If what you've stated above is true, my interpretation of "depot maintenance" is an excuse for "We, (USAF) are no longer interested in this mission."
@@jrs80920 I would 100% agree with you. More details: The JCS had "tried" (technically, requested) the AC we had practicing at Bragg several times prior to deployment - in July, I believe - and JSOC said "no" each time. When the deployment order came and did not include it, it was a bit of a shock to mid-level planners. Now, whether the upper echelons of the JCS and JSOC discussed this or not prior to the actual order being sent, I did not have the horsepower to know. The NCA via the JCS said "go", and Garrison said "Yes, sir" and away we went. Without the AC. Weak, indeed.
@@jrs80920 PS - Remember the Clinton administration was brand spanking new at the time and had brought in a bunch of people who boasted to be "not from Washington" - Meyers, Stephanopoulos, etc. They thought the big threat to them looking bad was in Europe where all the jets were buzzing around and people - Europeans - were dying. Somalia was just a food, peacekeeping mission, right? Right. The same administration that almost slaughtered a bunch of Haitians in Operation Uphold Democracy less than a year later. Yeah ,JSOC was in on that one, too. Thank God it got called off, albeit after it was launched. Lots of mistakes made by rookies those first two Clinton years. Kind of sounds familiar right now.
A lot of people complain that the movie did not show the participation of everyone involved (malaysians, etc.) in the operation. Refer to 58:35, there is a good explanation why, and in summary, the movie was based on a book that was based on the perspective of rangers who were there and these rangers might not have the full picture of everyone involved. This to me, is not anyones attempt to omit any facts on purpose, but just representative of the actual situation on the ground.
Yeah...same goes when u fuck a woman and then she pregnant, and then u fucking yell "i never fuck a women b4, how do i know she can pregnant?".....do a research b4 doing something...even fuck a women bruh...dont comment if it will show ya stupidity...shame on your "book author" and "film maker"
What absolute honesty, humility, grace and a dash of sly humour, especially from Kyle Lamb. Thoroughly enjoyed it. Greetings from Melbourne, Australia.
I was a volunteer EMT, and every year we’d have a Nebraska Emergency Medical Services Association (NEMSA) weekend long conference. One year, after returning to work following the conference, I was talking to a coworker who was an Army Reserve Lt. Colonel. We were talking about the conference and I told him we re-elected our NEMSA President and told him his name. He told me the guy was in his Reserve unit. Asked me if I saw Blackhawk Down. I said yeah. He said remember the two medics who spent the night in the first helicopter trying to get crew out? Not the Delta guys in the 2nd one, but the medics in the first one. I said yeah. He said our NEMSA President was one of them. Was awarded the Silver Star.
Part about Major Aziz being declined the go heads is that the superior might actually want them to disobey and to go, but not put their ass on the line.
I respect them all, and I Say Semper-fi to them all. yeah, I'm a United States Marine but "game recognizes game" when ur a Bad dude then u know another bad dude. and u respect them. Kyle Lamb has done a lot since he left the Special Forces/ Delta force etc... again like I said I respect them all. good men with courage and a lot of character.
@@chrisslays7373 Were you in Mogadishu? Were Somalies in your neighborhood? US military activities have nothing to do with your freedom and everything to do with private corporate and banking interests. Read "War is a Racket" en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_Is_a_Racket
@Christopher Hoch Perhaps you should look at a map. Somalia is the choke point for a mayor commercial maritime route. It is very economically convenient to mantain control over such an area. Profits not involved? The US Government intervened to save the innocent and protect muh freeedoms... yeah right. If that were the case where was the US during Rwanda?
We were at 18 hour readiness status on Fort Stewart during this time with bags packed and ready. I was assigned to the 3/41 FA. We could not believe that the guys we were sworn to support were allowed to go without our support. God Bless you all.
Fucking billy shit Clinton... Bombing Belgrade civilians too, only to later have his cuntspousekillary allow four more of our Americans, two SEAL/Contractors to become abandoned, ignored, murdered... then we have Obama, roe, military diced, shredded to .33% max combat effectiveness. God protect us from Biden/Harris, it would be truly the challenge, survival fight of our Republic... All in or everything lost. VOTE !
The most interesting part of this story, and a few others I've read or listened to from other Ranger/Delta guys is how compartmentalized the battle experience was. For us civilians, you watch a movie and assume that everyone knew everything that was going on. The truth is each of them only knew a small part of the overall battle and had no idea what other things outside their immediate sphere were happening.
''For none are closer to the very author of sacrifice Himself... Than those who choose to perform it, for the sake of others.'' -gilpin 42719 -former recondo sgt. ''rock'' gilpin 11b4p 82nd abn. 1/504 inf. '71-'74
This happened exactly ONE year before my enlistment to boot. Had my school not held me back because of my birthday, I would have been in that mess in one form or another. Brave men, one and all. This is the practical talks that officers today NEED. I'm honestly glad that cluster wasn't on my plate, my heart goes out to each one that was O.M. that day.
I worked with these guys on quite a few occasions in the 1980's-90's. The Ranger Battalions, Delta, and Task Force 160 are among the best fighting operators in the world. They have remained so for decades. I was always so impressed by their absolute professional commitment to the mission and how seamlessly they are able to coordinate, adapt and focus under incredible stress and changing conditions. Wish we had been overhead that night.
What I got from watching this now thinking to my time starting out in high school as a JROTC cadet before joining the Army was small leadership. I enlisted before graduating high school and by graduation time a month later I was at Ft. Benning Infantry Basic. When I was in my Basic Training company and platoon my Drill Sergeant within an hour after getting smoked and standing in formation came out and selected his squad leaders and platoon guide one by one stepping into his office. I was called 3rd in line and Drill Sergeant Larabelle had me close the door. From looking at my enlistment papers he saw that I was a high school JROTC guy. He told me from my memory. " Hmmmm. You are one of them JROTC Kayduds huh? Look Son! I better expect fucking leadership out of you just because I got you in my platoon. I better see that shit shine everyday you are here and I expect that they taught you well. If you fuck up! God help you! I will be on your ass like a ton of bricks every fucking day. You Sonny Boy are going to be my 4th Squad Leader. Shit had better be straight starting tomorrow morning for PT. I will be watching you! Now get the fuck out and stand your spot as 4th Squad Leader!". I ran out and stood in my position outside. From the very first day till graduation I was still Squad Leader. This was about credibility. Leading from the front, being on time, having the right stuff when needed, following instructions, and accomplish the mission and doing my job. That scared the shit out of me because I had to be the example. I took that lesson into me into the Army and trying to be a good NCO after 23 years. Like they said. You have to be credible at your job as a leader. It begins with small unit leadership.
@Hank3four I'm sorry did they hurt your poor little feelings? Too bad I hope the Drill Sergeant made you feel better after you told on those mean JROTC guys.
"The mission is way bigger than you are. If you don't like that, you're in the wrong business." Kyle Lamb is brilliant and so right on--a meditation on leadership that is always true, in every generation of warriors. He retired as a Sergeant Major, by the way, not as a Master Sergeant.
Agree 100%, and to add to your observation, he became a Command Sgt. Major. Never met him but personally know two other now retired CSM’s, Army types, if anyone else knows too, Chris Serrano and Ralph Borja. Serrano and Borja grew up of al, places , Vegas, bad influence for families, they rose above it as did Marine Master Gunnery Sgt. Doug Webster. Tops...!
Glad to see Larry and Kyle. Hope all the young cadets remember this: "You have to fight with what you got." Don't focus on what you don't have, continue with the mission.
@@paulwevers2109 He meant that him saying thanks is not enough for their service. Maybe you were just skimming quickly through, but you'll notice it is in a seperate sentance.
@@ecclesiaxxi6210 Yeah i noticed and still wanted to attack the God thing. Im kind of in a non political mood lately. And i almost attacked the thank you for your service to. I see it to much. That over emotional reacting. They never say what it really was. Thank you for killing people in the name of my country and freedom. Even if you are on the "good" side, it is still what it is. And God has nothing to do with anything. Same as Allah. Same numbers in believers. Yet your God is right. Im done with sugar coating. Dont get me wrong, i think these men are brave men. I have no idear if i would have that in me. To fight like that. To overcome fear like that. I think the "other" side could be described as brave to. Maybe trough drugs and in this case that leaf that they chew. But you know.. Oooh i did it again, wrote my thoughts down as they were at that moment. Go ahead punish it.
@R Bakken Good thing you guessed well about the atheist ape, and didn't bother responding and thus wasting your time, he clearly has plenty of time to waste (of course) and has a chip on his shoulder. Blessings :)
@@budguy21 All the Malaysian stay and fight only the Pakistani ran away..wacth Major Jeff Struecker interview 35:01 ....thanks to the Malaysian APC they are still alive
160th SOAR! "RANGERS LEAD THE WAY" WHOOA!! To my brothers that fell, i will never forget you and honor your memory till we all rally up again in the hereafter.
To a spectator..... even to this day ..I cant seem to swallow what happened that fateful day. May God Bless Each of you U.S. Soldiers and some others that Served our Countries Interest that fateful 24.
The interest was serving, assisting, helping the Somali people’s. Pressured by imam, wife of singer David Bowie, billy Clinton ordered troops in and its ops. His admin denied large backup forces, regiment sized in additions to being denied nods/starlights, ac130 specters, two were requested, all denied. After the massive snafu, the denial ranking ‘allegedly suicided himself’ due to grief..., figure that shady shite....
@@usaf1804 Thanks for your reply......And then... there are the ST6 mission loss questions..alot of non-transparancy there! Highly confuses me and slights my trust in the US Govt., meaning, it seems to be riddled with people who run things behind their curtain.....and they aint acting American !
I was there... HHC 507th CSG (ABN) Ft. Bragg.. we all traveled together there from Bragg. Luis (Lorenzo) Ruiz was a dear friend... #fearless !!! Ate chow everyday together. R.I.P. 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸. Never forget while your sleeping, the US Infantry is rolling ✊🏽✊🏽✊🏽✊🏽✊🏽
As a new ICU nurse, my mentor was a combat medic on this op. He became an outstanding trauma nurse and trainer. Started IVs with his eyes closed. Turned me into a good flight nurse. Only saw him drink on the anniversary of this op. He was badass in a trauma code. Seldom talked about this
These guys are amazing. To put your lives in danger to exfil a casualty because they knew what would happen if they left the bodies is phenomenal. I admire these guys, their teams, and what the do
I have never served during wartime. I am 50 years old I took my oath at 17. I have since been able to talk to many guys who have seen combat whether it was Vietnam, Grenada, Iraq, Afghanistan, or any of the other smaller wars and battles that were fought by my brothers and sisters in uniform. Out of all of those conversations I am still surprised at the humble nature of these people who experienced what is truly the tragedy of war. AS a kid I wanted to be a soldier like my uncles and my grandfather. I didn't understand then what I now understand from my many conversations with combat vets. The US military does not train soldiers they train warriors. Warriors are ready willing and able to fight when it is necessary but they will hope and pray that the need for their skills and training never arises. Because we have men and women who will teach them through their experience that war is not a thing that is to be taken lightly. This is why I believe it is critical that our future military leaders have the opportunity to speak with and learn from gentlemen such as these. who are going to give you the straight poop as it were and not sugar coat things but are not going to make it sound like some glorious heroic Hollywood movie. I am grateful that these men survived to be able to teach the future generations. I am saddened that so many died. That is the cost of waging war and should never ever be entered into except in my opinion as a last resort when all else fails.
Black Hawk Down is a required watch for new,in training soldiers and has been for years. Message: Never underestimate your enemy, and be ready for times when shit goes sideways.
I read a lot about the real battle as Mark Bowden wrote an amazing book after researching after-action reports and interviewing many troops. The Americans lost b/c they were under equipped, had poor intelligence on the ground, tended to telegraph their approaches from the air and didn't know about the enemy's tactics for pinning down American troops (until too late). The Americans were seeking to kill (or capture) warlord Mohamed Farrah Aidid and during this fateful mission they targeted contacts who were closest to him, but did not use any armored vehicles. Aidid was not to be underestimated. During his career as a highly qualified officer, Aidid was selected to study advanced post-graduate military science at the prestigious Frunze Military Academy in the Soviet Union, an elite institution reserved for the most qualified officers of the Warsaw Pact. Months before the battle of Mogadishu, Aidid's forces fought a bloody battle with U.N. forces, and 24 Pakistani soldiers were killed (some skinned alive)! In the days leading up to this battle, American special forces were unaware that Aidid had stocked piled many Russian propelled grenades with the sole intent of taking down American helicopters. During previous special forces missions, helicopters had approached Mogadishu from the nearby US base by repeatedly using the same flight path so that Aidid's forces could correctly anticipate which direction to watch for an American attack long before the Americans reached their target. Thus, the American's were under the false impression that they had the element of surprise. This advanced warning also allowed Aidid's forces to rapidly mobilize and quickly take down a Black Hawk helicopter (call sign: Super 6-1) and then pin down several squads that were tasked with rescuing the Super 6-1 crew. Aidid's forces also trapped the ground convoy by barricading many roads. Most American fatalities were troops who were part of this ground force which became infamously known as the 'lost convoy'. Eventually, another Black Hawk helicopter (call sign: Super 6-4) was taken down and with each passing minute, more helicopters took RPG fire as several others were damaged but managed to crash land in friendly areas. Since the Americans eventually decided (wisely) that helicopters could no longer be used for close air support and the Somali forces (and civilians) were too close to the special force's positions for any other kind of available air support to be used, this left the Americans surrounded and extremely out numbered. It was a big factor in why Randy Shughart and Gary Gordon died while heroically attempting to rescue the Super 6-4 crew. But since the Americans had expert pilots who were legends of the recent Desert Storm campaign, AH-6J gunships used night vision to provide fire support to the trapped Rangers and Delta Force operators who were in defensive positions around the Super 6-1 crash site while under constant fire. This provided vital time until the Army's 10th mountain division (along with Malaysian Armored Personnel Carriers and Pakistani tanks) could assemble a force and fight their way to the trapped special forces. This (alone) was the most intense urban fighting the Army had scene since the Battle of Hue City in Vietnam (a notorious battle). All but 18 of the trapped special forces who were under equipped and outgunned survived what would likely have been a total massacre if it were not for their training, bravery and will to fight. The story the movie does not tell was how many Somalis died because neither the Americans nor the UN truly understood the political dynamics in Mogadishu or Somalia for that matter. In the process, both forces caused huge amounts of collateral damage by killing many Somalis who were their actual allies or civilians. In the case of the Americans, they ended the humanitarian mission (Operation Restore Hope) and sent special forces whose sole mission was to eliminate everyone necessary until Aidid was no longer a threat. They may have accomplished this even after the Battle of Mogadishu, but b/c of the political outrage of seeing bodies of American troops (and pilots) dragged in Somali streets on CNN, President Clinton quickly ended the mission. Anyways, these guys went through an incredible fire fight!
Thanks for the reply. Good information. What do you think on this. Would it have made a difference if the AC 130s were given a go to be used in this battle? Thanks!👍🏻🇺🇸🇺🇸
@@JohnnyCage333 I believe to a degree. The problem was the lost convoy had to make it to the crash sites and as long as the roads were blocked off and they remained under heavy fire, this would have been difficult. But, these crash sites would have had much better fire support. The 10th Mountain should have been notified of the Ranger mission sooner. Or, if a better negotiation with Aidid were possible, we would have had a better outcome. I think it was a bit much to expect rangers and special forces to solve an entire countries problems by killing or capturing a powerful warlord on faulty intelligence.
May Creator Bless the Malaysians, the only UN force to answer the call!
@@p1zd3c Yes that’s right too and their were Aussies that came and fought-talking about Forces not individuals! Aussies are supreme fighters and loyal! Meant no disrespect!
That actually is not accurate at all
Some Pakistani armor rolled up but left really quickly after getting shot at
@@p1zd3c do you have a reference for your claims? Would like to look it up
Truly Malay warriors
Thanks to the Royal Malaysia Regiment ( Mechanised ) as QRF in Somalia then, who put their troopers life on the line to saves the very life of stranded American Rangers n Special Forces n bring most of them out safely. Rest in peace Lance Corporal Aznan Mat Awang, the trooper driver of Malaysian Condor that sacrifice his life to ensured the survival of his Malaysian troopers n US personnels in his APC.
Malaysian APC stayed for hours to ensured every surviving members of Malaysian n US personnels are brought out either dead or alive for nobody will be left behind.
The truth should not be repressed or erased for the convenient of others.
Thanks for sharing this. The American and the world should know about this.
@Nobody Knows No APCs withdrew..they went ahead without the support of the tanks n proper night vision apparatus.
Two APC got destroyed, 1 APC personnel died n seven other combatants from Malaysian side got injured during the gallant rescue operation.
They went to the site, loaded up their APCs with the wounded n dead personnel n wait for hours till the last of the dead was retrieved.
Those who runs are Deltas n 10th Mountain who do so on they own seeing their comrades fully stacking up inside the APCs.
The infamous Mogadishu Mile's Run was covered by Little Birds n other gunships all the way back to the Stadium.
To say they were a abandoned by APC was a travesty of justice to what actually occured n sacrified they made.
@Nobody Knows Hahaha..dude if your want to glorify it for yr own satisfaction, l don't care less.
The APCs didn't left, it stayed for hours until the body of the first blackhawk pilot was retrieved from the wreckage despite the insistence of some US personnels rescued n already in the APCs.
The Malaysians insisted they wait up until all are rescued, dead or alive, got that.
Almost hundred of them are cowering inside the APCs, with injuries n some are dead yet for Malaysian soldiers no one deserved to be left behind if they could do something about it n they did.
That what esprit de corps is all about, they work as a team n no one is discriminated against in the battlefield, for will fight for whoever next to you.
Those who runs behind the APCs are well aware that the priority are for those injured n dead.
Perhaps for the likes of you, nothing matters in such situation except saving one's own ass but for the Malaysians, the country, the comradeship, the duty entrusted n their honor are way beyond themselves.
They faced fear head on, that what was instilled in them during their training.
They courageously put their fate in their strong spiritual belief in their religion n if the inevitable happened, they will embraced n accepted it.
Perhaps the deltas n rangers who runs behind the APCs are more aware of the situation n preferably made the ultimate choice.
Read up on the recurring events from the books, journals n admissions from the US soldiers.
The real soldiers did not complaints but only praises for the efforts n sacrifice made towards their comrades by the Malaysian rescuers.
If not for the gallant efforts of the Malaysian, there probably be hundreds of American families back home mourned the loss of their loved ones...if those involved respectfully recognized n appreciates the effort done, why can't you?
Hahaha...my linguistic proficiency n competency is immaterial in expressing my views n your efforts in trying to distorted my arguments by simply picking on my comprehension flaws was laughable.
@Nobody Knows Hahaha..taken such creative liberties with cartoon minded portrayals instead of accurate historical perceptives..what an amusing deductions of naivety you got.
Lets get a few facts straight, the deputy commander of US task force under Major Gen Garrison was requested to seek assistance from UNOSOM Contigent after their numerous failures to rescued their personnel.
UNOSOM wasn't informed or given shared intelligence of the operation by the US Command initially.
After pleading his case to the UNOSOM Command, the US Colonel was briefed on what available in their needs of assistance.
The Pakistani have MBT which are task to lead the convoys, US Little Birds n Blackhawk will provide air covers, while the Malaysian have the Belgian's made APCs which unfamiliar to US forces to operate. Initially the US commanders prefer to borrow the APC but after scrutinizing the complex handling of the Belgian made Condors, accepted that Malaysian crew had more skills n experience required.
The US command n the US Colonel present acknowledged this fact n it is almost impossible to get US personnels familiar on how to operate the Condor APCs within short period of time, for US forces have a totally different American made APCs in their inventories.
The QRF contingent which comprises of 114 men of GGK, Royal Malay Regiments n APCs crews from Malaysian Mechanised Battalion was chosen and they are given two hours to packed themselves with whatever needed for the operation.
Actually they were briefed by their commanders of the task n the prevailing situation therefore were asked to volunteer, all wanted to go, for it is within Malaysian psyche that they need to commit in these together, as they are brothers in arms, but considering the space within the APCs are limited n not conducive to accomodate such large numbers as well as the insistence of the US Major General Garrison that members of 10th Mountain are to be inserted within the convoys, the Malaysian commanders agreed that APCs three main crew unit will be going with two GGK as backup for each APC as well as members of US 10th Mountain out of Fort Drum totally packed in the APCs. It was a joint command operation both on n off the field.
I'm not into glorifying certain groups but mainly stating facts about Malaysian troopers mental state, psyche n sense of esprit de corps. I reckons the US military personnels are as enthusiastic n anxious to have their trapped comrades rescued.
For them to be left behind for such honors n glory is unthinkable.
Not to volunteers as their brothers in arm had, is an insult by itself.
But they accepted n obeyed their commanders instructions.
There are also other vehicles involved including humvees n military trucks in the convoys.
Some of the soldiers are inserted in the blackhawks.
GGK stands for Specialist Force Troopers.
There are groups of GGK unit inserted much earlier for reconnaissance purposes n gathering intels on the ground.
It took them couple of hours up to the morning before all of them were back in the safety of the Stadium.
It already way past 10.00 pm local time when the depart from their assembly point n due to the urgency, some of the Malaysian troopers had to forego their dinner.
When approaching the main junction leading to target area, the convoy which had been bombarded with small arms assault in the beginning, began to be mercilessly attacked with heavier weaponry by the rebels.
These is when the accompanying MBTs decided to stopped n turned around by reasons of not having night vision capability.
The Malaysian APCs commanders decided that they have to pushed on ahead despite their Condors too, does not have that capability.
The convoy was slowed down by burning n barricaded wreckage along the route but they persisted, then two leading APCs was struck by RPGs assault, in which one of the driver was fatally wounded.
The leading officers in the other APCs n convoy retrieved the two destroyed APCs occupants during the blistering attacks from both sides of the road.
These are well documented events recorded n written extensively by the US n Malaysians who personally involved in the efforts.
Malaysian military considered technicalities in their efforts as matters of classified information n even those whose still donning their uniforms refused to talk openly n considered their task as dutifully fulfilling tasks required n entrusted to them.
The medias in Malaysia only pickup the issue when the US blatantly ignored n refused to acknowledged the sacrifices made by others in rescuing their personnels, which they finally do a few years back by admission of John Kelly, a US Under Secretary, a representative of then US President Barack Obama during the officiating ceremony of the UN PeaceKeeping Forces Training Center in Port Dickson, Malaysia.
The timeless and high sense of valor, courage n honors made by Royal Malay Regiment ( Mechanised ) in rescuing the US rangers n deltas in Mogadishu debacle.
Did l made any inaccurate perceptions of the whole event?
I don't made insistence n l'm not into belittling others of their efforts, as they do what they had to do.
They were not left behind, they realized their brothers in arms, either injured or dead are in those APCs, n there no more space in that APCs that can accomodate all of them.
They made a choice on their own free will, to ensured the safety n survival of their comrades, why do you have to disrespect and dishonored their choices?
I reckons they, those rescued are grateful that some strangers, foreigners unknowned to them, willing to put their own lives at stake to rescued them, is it too hard for you to accept that fact?
Perhaps yr over glorified perceptions had clouded yr judgment in seeing the truth or probably felt more convenient in repressing it.
@@firhatarzan6928 bang xyah layan la dorang ni..acah2 superior sebab technologi tinggi je, masuk hutan pon terkapai2 haha..
In memory of Lcpl Mat Aznan Awang (later Corporal, posthumous) MALBATT(Malaysian Battalion) died in Bakaraa Market, Mogadishu on the 4th October 1993 during rescue operation. Btw, the apc is German not Russian made.
Thanks from me as Malaysian 🇲🇾💪👍
Innalilahiwainalilahirojioun.. Alfatihah to late Lt Mat Aznan Awang, we will never forget your sacrifice, dignity & glory to our country..also to all veterans who still alive i salute u..
never forgotten!
@@Glee73 indeed
@@abdullahteichou2 me too bro.. ❤️😘
Thanks to bravery Royal Malaysia Army came to rescue US Rangers during the battle of Mogadishu .
Proud to be malaysian
vp75 cringe
Proud to be Somalian
Cheers to you, our Malaysian brothers!👊
Bro you know that Somali government has a good relationship with Malaysia and Aideed asked his troops not to fight with Muslim troops in the UN mission .. in reality i was there and remember how so-called rangers were terrified and running for their lifes
I have had to adjust my way of thinking about this whole issue. My son CWO 2 who lost his life and can not speak in his behalf would have Married and gave his Mom and myself some Grand children. He was our only child but he had a mind of his own and will of his own. We miss you Charlie.
I am deeply sorry for your loss Sir. Riding home in a C130 with my brothers lying in flag draped coffins is a horrible, hellish feeling. I cannot imagine the grief if they were my sons. Thank you for your boys service Sir. I know that may be little condolence. We all owe your son a debt that can never ever be repaid. And believe me when I say if I could trade places with any of those men, I would. God bless
Thank you Sir.@@jamesrelinski8853
im sorry for this but more over im sorry that all americans dont have the utmost appreciation, respect, and understanding for the situation. its really sick to me that your entire family isnt set up for life because of your sons sacrifice, while this country spends money on pointless name slandering media.
"If any question why we died, Tell them, because our fathers lied." - Rudyard Kipling, author, Nobel laureate (1865-1936)
Shit happens.
Eventhough Msia n Pakistan were muslim, they hold the principle of no left behind in the spirit of army corps.They willing to die to save their friend from US army and ya..as i know 1 Msia army died in Rpg attack at their APC.Pay condolesence to all fallen warrior..
‘Even though’
Pakistani brother left alone the malaysian army .they make a u-turn and run away but malaysian army stay still go foward. Even though malaysian people is small in size but we are big in courage...that the spirit all army should have...we malaysian still did not forget what our pakistani brother done to our malaysian tiger...
@@rozitaomar5044 brother u came with your armies to colonize our country and sorry for the deaths but I am happy u guys got humiliated, the same thing will happen again if u come with ur armies
This is documentary based on the interviews with Malaysian army who served in UN peace mission in Mogadishu. The Malaysian army personnels described their true experiences there, especially what really happened during their rescue mission of American soldiers who were trapped at Bakara. Viewers can use English translation in the caption settings. TQ.
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even US got elite army(and modern tools gun) underated malaysia army willing take the offer to help witout full equipment. How can Sir Muhammad willing to change his life with all injured US army and died body, as compensation for money? why somalia people collect the body as respect to malaysia army. 1 day after the war Farah Aidid tell his people ‘Dont touch black tiger(malaysia army)’. it mean in war enemy also have heart.
Malaysia army is the best hero of the mugadishu.... to rescue American army over 70 people 💖🇲🇾🇲🇾🇲🇾🇲🇾
Malaysian filmmaker with the cooperation of Malaysian Armed Forces will produce a film about the true story of what actually happened in Somalia (BlackHawk Down). This film will be released in 2021.
And what truly happened?
@@sabakka-e5u in black hawk they didn't even show Malaysia Armies come to save the Elite of US force. The movie will name " BAKARA" where is the place happened , and the stories about of Malaysia Armies sacrifices and one of Malaysia Armies himself to save his friends and US elite armies.
@@sabakka-e5u the Malays act like they had a huge part in the battle when in reality they didn't even want to go into Bakara in the first place. Like in the book and the movie their APC drivers drove off leaving the Rangers and Delta to run out, it took a Delta guy pointing his weapon at one of the Malay APC drivers to get him to stop
@@slappymcgillicuddy7532 i think you were referring to the Pakistanis. They had APCs as well and were part of the force to extract the Americans. The Pakistanis went away during the night, while the Malaysians stayed with the US till morning when after loading all the dead and wounded on the APCs
@@slappymcgillicuddy7532 that is pakistan not malaysia..if malaysia do that malaysia didn’t lost one of their army and 7 wounded
It was Pakistan army who turned back during rescue mission, while Malaysian army apc behind, continued and took the hits with one KIA..
Around the Olympic Hotel, one of the convoys came under a significant volume of fire, resulting in several more casualties and leading to the Malaysian APC's refusing to advance further into the heavy barrage
And it was Pakistan sending intel to the radicals.
@@DonkeyThedonk proof?
MALBAT (RAMD) always stay low and silence but deadly... :)
No one cares
Great discussion. Cameo by BG Steve Gilland as well ---- great leader and one of the best commanders I served under 🇺🇸
All u do is watch TH-cam videos...jk 😂.... this one was a must watch, great stuff
Every where I go...theres mr.gunsngear there..every where I gooooo. What's up bro. Hope u r doing well. Keep up the good vids.
Where am I going to see you next? On A N.W.A. Video?
Awesome seeing you comment here. I’m a fan of your channel, keep up the good work and thank you for serving this country and protecting us
He was my company commander in Korea back in 1996.
Endless brotherhood US&Malaysia army never die....
RIP to all heroes..
I am (R) SGT of second malbatt.
thank you for your service
My blood brother...proud of you
thank you sir , brotherhood forever
Thank you for your loyalty to Malaysia and the U.S.
Thank you for your service Sir
I cannot believe it's been over 25 years... wow.
Tell me about it, the first bullet over my head was 15 years ago... I still think it was just last October.
Still, take the chance to talk to some 80+ people, that'll trip you up when they talk about a time when people only had radios when they fought wars ;)
Sure is, seem like it was just yesterday watching the news seeing the body's of the servicemen being dragged all over the street.
I bet it feels like yesterday for the the Rangers, brave guys who shouldn't have been there in the first place.
Kyle Lamb is one sharp man. [as they all are].
Ive never met the man but my cousin worked with him and he has a ton of respect for him. Thats enough for me knowing my cousin and what he has done.
What do u expect from a Delta operator ?? The smartest and most badass men to walk this earth
The fact that these guys made it out to tell their story is beyond incredible.
I read the book. It was insane. I don't understand how you guys were able to tell what was what in that dust, downed choppers, darkness, confusion, etc.
@@samfisher2306 Which book was that? Interested in reading it myself.
@Mantel Twinkelwink "black Hawk down" by Mark Bowden. It's gruesome but a great book
Malaysia boleh
@@manteltwinkelwink2271 if you saw the movie black hawk down and thought it was excellent the book is a million times better. Has vastly more detail and depth.
Kyle Lamb is funny. That humor is very effective in stressful situations. Great talk, thank you for posting.
Only them old NCO's (E-7s and up) can make you laugh at some REALLY fucked-up shit
I remember being on the side of the airfield in the middle the night when Michael Durant finally made it back home. My father is a Nightstalker for life.
My brother is too. He was so proud of his time there.
Paul West Andreas Reisel
Was your dad 1st batt engine mechanic?? Nickname gonzo?? Might have known him if was
Outstanding panel and video. Thank you for making this public.
I tought firs three vegans recall and tought wtf ? vegans and war
Most American don't acknowledge Malaysia Battalion was the ones who rescue these guys and if not because the courage and sense of comradery, these veterans won't have the chance to sit there today... As much as I like Blackhawk Down movie, I feel sad and betrayed that there is no Malaysian actors at least invited to act and to portrayed those Malaysia soldiers who drove those 4 armoured vehicle into the city and being rained with mortar, RPG and machine guns to the rescue.... Now only after 25 years? Just wow....
Should up goofy why do you want america to give you credit for killing muslim brother.they dont care about you
This was an incredibly clear and valuable illustration of the spectrum of perspectives on combat leadership. This seems to be a perfect panel of speakers for training officer cadets. There is Col. VanArsdale with the view from the TOC and the Commander's intent. There is Sarn't Lamb, the professional NCO who gets things done....always....And then there's LT Perino, who is YOU, young Lieutenant, who must communicate and lead while your mission shifts focus and all goes to hell in a handbasket. It is so important that our future leaders have the opportunity to learn from the experiences of these fine men.
I was over there myself, from October '93 to March '94 with 2-22INF 10th MTN.....its good to hear from these old soldiers.
What he said!!
Thank you for your service.
Absolutely, a fascinating interview with combat troops which is quite unique in modern times. Also Sargeant Lamb (strangely an Eddy Van Halen lookalike) sports the best ever beard..
Triple deuce!!!!! Right on I was with 1-87 first deployment to Afghanistan 01-02,,,
@@marc2638 Roger that, bro.....Bco 1-87 went to Somalia with us, back in 93. I've read everything I could find about 10th MTN in Afghanistan. I've got huge respect for everything you boys went through over there.....proud of ya.
MSG Lamb is totally on point with his comments about that "first time" putting it all on the line. I remember the first raid we did in Baghdad, off intel bought from some former Iraqi army officer, and having to stealthily go up five floors to reach the targets and then ending up posting security as my teammates kicked in a door, then my team leader and I realizing the fucking guys we were after were in the room we were posted on and both of us hitting the floor as two AKs fired through the door at the same time. Luckily for us, the frigging Iraqis use so much concrete in their buildings that the bullets didn't come through the wall we jumped behind. That was crazy and neither of us EVER again took any room or corner for granted. We felt that mixture of fear, shock, and anger that gives you the adrenaline rush you need to keep moving and let the training take over and push you to do what has to get done. Combat sucks, but living through it and surviving to laugh about it later gives you such a freaking new perspective on life.
Your last sentence is exactly what Churchill meant with" There is no greater thrill than to be shot at without effect."
M G SGM
Did you mind go into a different state or just the training kick in? I know in my career, during incidents, you usually are too deep into it to realize what might happen. Not combat but, exploding jets, ditching plans over the Atlantic, 9/11 scramble under Threatcon Delta etc.
Thank you for your service!!! It is much appreciated!!! I couldn’t ever imagine how service people do what they do, but I am forever thankful for those who have served, so myself, my family & the rest of America can be free!!!!
are you a soldier if so..I want you in my bed
you’ll can’t denied the malaysian army soldier how brave theyre to help this mission until the end
Well...american people cant accepted it bruh...they think we are malaysian people small cannot save their army..small2 dont die, big2 make people hard😄😄😄😄
@@nsnizamenterprise4130 no no, we stay. That’s the most badass shit ever
They drove armored personnel carriers. Not one of them got out of their vehicles and pulled security, let alone shoot anyone or anything. Yes, the ride was appreciated, just like an uber ride is appreciated.
@@Luka-lc9lp they were told not to exit the vehicle
@@Lostsouls5557 That's fine. So stop comparing them to Rambo.
You can tell at 1:11:15 that Kyle had some memories come back and continued on in such a humbling way. He’s such a stand up guy....all three of these guys are. These are the guys you look up to and aspire to be like in life.
dont forget to say thank you for regiments malaysia army about her sacrifice to get back all us army n rescue,,it is fact,,history dont change it
Hollywood doesn't know, but the little guys remember!
Incredible interview. Absolute heroes. You men make me proud to be an American.
Respect to Malaysia
Kyle Lamb. Badass dude. I love how non-PC most spec ops guys are. Great talk on leadership and anybody out there that's aspiring to be a leader needs to hear.
When you live with your life and those lives of your buddies on the line PC is the last thing of any importance. Everyone should take not of this. When we are nearing death, who cares about getting words just right; and who says it is right?
I've had the opportunity to meet SGM Lamb on several occasions at SHOT Show ans he's always been more than willing to chat, ham it up and share his expertise, whether it be shooting, networking or his business acumen. Most of these folks are as nice and salt of the Earth-type folks. Yes, the are a few jerks but they are HEAVILY outnumbered by the good ones. I hope to train with him before he retires from such work.
@Caine Neal Yeah we also did that, until Navy SEAL's had to intervene. We do operate around the world doing these sort of small actions for many reasons.
Yup I was thinking the same thing bring back the 80’-90’s era of handling business!
What is PC
Had this on my watch later list for a month because i thought it may be a bit of a chore to watch the entire 1h 20m. Ended up watching it when i had a spare few minutes expecting to skip through it and try to find the interesting bits. Then sat glued for the entire 1h 20m, hanging on every word.
you must be rather emotional because they honestly ramble a lot and get lost pretty easy
@@guharse8805 Well good thing you aren't someone that reps those of us who've been in courses or worked in security orgs w/DoJ/DoD with these larger than life/infamous fellas....Ramble? They both are more quiet professionals than 99% of the frogs, Raiders, overrated singularly lucky sh!theads in some SOCOM org that get movies made about them. They're still talked about TO THIS DAY...*As is Shughart and Gordon BECAUSE ONE REASON ONLY. You know why....The Kyles, Luttrells etc of our time would say some of them ENLISTED because of the book/film these guys inspired. They had no series of heavy trigger time type deployments before Mogadishu, yet they executed the DAs like our top SMU new guys these days at JSOC, believe me. I'd hand my sidearm to Lamb or Arsdale sooooo quick if I had to pick them or a younger SMU vet...You don't realize how much dark dagger ish crap they were into before Somalia, and by that, I mean SIGINT, or maybe doing regular Langley style squirrel work. So..?? Yeah if you call these elder statesmen of death "rambling"? Just save yourself the trouble and bounce out, brother! Adios*
I didn’t realise how long I had been watching this till I read this comment
“The Mission is way bigger than you are.” EXACTLY! This is probably why I miss it more than anything. Have not found this in my civilian life. Yet
This concept doesn't exist in the mad world of civ life.
I was never in the armed forces, so I can't imagine the concept in the same capacity you understand it in. However, maybe you could find something similar in a larger complex long term achievement? One of the things that really helped me with depression was having short, medium, and long term goals, with challenging objectives. You may want something with more clearly defined goals that involves a more team oriented structure. Maybe starting a business or something along those lines? Every job/contract is part of a bigger cause, your work is your life and its something to be proud of etc. Seems like that might hold some similarities?
In general, modern (civilian) life allows for existence with minimal effort (or at least without serious challenge). I think something that we don't often enough discuss is the need for us to not only be challenged, but also feel like are part of a bigger group. There's probably some ancient evolutionary instincts deeply rooted in those concepts.
Anyway, best of luck man. Shit is wild these days.
@@wingtrek8914
Of course it does. You just have to find it, yourself. Nobody is going to issue it to you.
Have kids.
Hunger, poverty, injustice, climate change etc. There are BIG missions out there. Find something you're passionate about.
Truly appreciate you posting this panel, even if it does make me feel incredibly old. Hard to believe Mogadishu was that long ago.
Rip#1 Malaysia Armed force #Rip18 American soldier.. brave heart! 113
Thank you military veterans, from all branches, retired, currently serving and deployed for your service.
This is easily the best combat mindset and leadership panel I’ve ever seen. There’s a lot of knowledge, experience, and awesomeness on that small stage. Thanks for sharing this event, and thank you, gentlemen, for your courage and for sharing your insights.
They actually seem they are making up things as they go the way one is asking questions about his very own story
They seem to be suffering mental illness too fake laughter and lack of confidence, it seems they have been in a deep depression
36:00 , 50:43 they mention about others army malaysian army, 55:09(they complaint about APC), 56:35 (he praise APC)
Thank you gentleman for being our country’s best warriors
As a former soldier from A Co. 2/14 (joined the company several years after this incident)...thanks for giving them a shout-.out
The candid, open discussions was great. Kyle Lamb is still a Warrior to be reckoned with.
Great video. I was with Charlie 1st Btn 9th Marine Regiment. We were called in because of the Battle of Mogadishu. We arrived about week or so after (we were in South East Asia at the time) the battle. We joined with another Marine battalion to form a Marine Expeditionary Brigade. We saw some action in the city but most of our work was in the desert around the city, protecting food and stopping more weapons coming into the city. Hats off to the Rangers and the 10th Mountain, they stayed in the shit the entire time I was there.
@Harisfd1because that's not true. It's a multinational effort of US, Malaysia and Pakistan. Saying Malaysian is the one that saves them is like a one army rambo job.
Kyle Lambs comment on credibility and leadership towards the end was incredible.
Major respect for these men... Some of my biggest heroes. Thanks for posting this terrific interview.
THIS YEAR IF I NOT MISTAKE THERE WERE ONE MOVIE CALL BAKARA THE TRUE STORY ABOUT OPERATION BLACK HAWK DOWN THAT NOT MENTION IN MOVIE BALCK HAWK DOWN
I'm proud as malaysian . thank you America
It was nice to see Kyle Lamb say he's a Christian when asked whether any military experiences boosted their faith. Good stuff.
GOD BLESS all of these men, and the young men in the audience.
Thank you so much to all of those who have served to fight for our & others freedom!! Those who lost their lives in combat will never be forgotten, for they made the ultimate sacrifice for a greater good!!! “Freedom ain’t free” so THANK YOU to everyone who has served!!! ❤️💙🙏🏻
General Garrison was a BAD ASS General.. His leadership and experience within the special operations community is practically unrivaled.. Before his General time,, the man served in the one of the most classified, black Units within JSOC,, The Intelligence Support Activity "ISA."
There's a story of him being notorious for secretly sneaking himself inside a darkened out shoothouse and sitting beside a bunch of targets smoking a cuban cigar and rocking aviator sunnies, just before Delta does a live fire CQB
I attended a leadership training (Current Leadership Issues for Executive Officers) where LTC Danny McKnight was a guest speaker. Because it was the same mission, his story is similar. But he tells his side from a very different perspective, through his personal experiences. He was equally as captivating as these gentlemen, to say the least. These are an awesome group of American fighting men; true warriors that are to be held in the highest regard, and shown great respect. My hat is off to these, and other "tried by fire" American heroes. God bless them all.
“Those who celebrate war never participated in it. Those who have participated in war never celebrate it”.
You can tell that America as a whole has never really experienced war because we worship the hell out of it and always are excited about initiating military actions.
I don't know. My brother saw tons of combat and loved it. He couldn't wait to get back. He said it was the best adrenaline rush he ever had. He loved shooting guys that were shooting at him. He has a hard time with normal life and wishes he was in combat.
Tony Iacomi that’s fucking sadistic
I've never been in a war but I will never celebrate it.
"Those who celebrate war never participated in it"....perfect description of all the coward draft dodgers and chickenhawks who make up the conservative side of the media...it's near impossible to find a single veteran among all of those hypocritical warmongers.
What contacts in the JCS told me: The AC-130's were pulled off the mission by the Joint Chiefs of Staff to send them to Brindisi where they thought they would be needed more (they thought the Bosnia-Herzegovina war had a higher priority then) . They tried to pull them from mission prep at Bragg a couple of times in July, but JSOC succeeded in keeping them. On deployment, the JCS staff convinced Gen Powell, then Chairman of the JCS, to leave them out. Supposedly, there were already AC-130s in Brindisi that needed to go back to Hurlburt for depot maintenance. I saw an interview with Powell once where he admitted that this decision was a violation of "The Powell Doctrine" (always give the battlefield commander what he asks for to do his mission) and that it was one of his major regrets looking back at his career. Still, away the task force went without them. A week after Oct 3rd, two AC-130's were sent to Mombasa, Kenya, to fly mission support over Mogadishu. Too late. The crews were pissed they had been left out of the mission and had to sit on their asses while it hit the fan in Mogadishu (this I know first hand from talking with them).
I was in 1/10 SFG in Stuttgart at that time. Regarding Brindisi, other than CSAR, which was just standing by and waiting for a F-16 to crash, it's no mission in contrast to what was happening in Somalia. Very lame excuse if that's what they used. If what you've stated above is true, my interpretation of "depot maintenance" is an excuse for "We, (USAF) are no longer interested in this mission."
@@jrs80920 I would 100% agree with you. More details: The JCS had "tried" (technically, requested) the AC we had practicing at Bragg several times prior to deployment - in July, I believe - and JSOC said "no" each time. When the deployment order came and did not include it, it was a bit of a shock to mid-level planners. Now, whether the upper echelons of the JCS and JSOC discussed this or not prior to the actual order being sent, I did not have the horsepower to know. The NCA via the JCS said "go", and Garrison said "Yes, sir" and away we went. Without the AC. Weak, indeed.
@@jrs80920 PS - Remember the Clinton administration was brand spanking new at the time and had brought in a bunch of people who boasted to be "not from Washington" - Meyers, Stephanopoulos, etc. They thought the big threat to them looking bad was in Europe where all the jets were buzzing around and people - Europeans - were dying. Somalia was just a food, peacekeeping mission, right? Right. The same administration that almost slaughtered a bunch of Haitians in Operation Uphold Democracy less than a year later. Yeah ,JSOC was in on that one, too. Thank God it got called off, albeit after it was launched. Lots of mistakes made by rookies those first two Clinton years. Kind of sounds familiar right now.
Clinton era had been some dark days for the military.
Soup-bone all the way around. I don't doubt that if there were a different administration in the WH the AC-130's probably would have been there.
A lot of people complain that the movie did not show the participation of everyone involved (malaysians, etc.) in the operation. Refer to 58:35, there is a good explanation why, and in summary, the movie was based on a book that was based on the perspective of rangers who were there and these rangers might not have the full picture of everyone involved. This to me, is not anyones attempt to omit any facts on purpose, but just representative of the actual situation on the ground.
that makes a lot of sense
Yeah...same goes when u fuck a woman and then she pregnant, and then u fucking yell "i never fuck a women b4, how do i know she can pregnant?".....do a research b4 doing something...even fuck a women bruh...dont comment if it will show ya stupidity...shame on your "book author" and "film maker"
The rangers not have full pictures who involved? Are they from other planet? Dont have news to read or watch?
All great men. This will be a video I return to watch often as it contains many important pearls of wisdom. Thank you for sharing !!!
I show much respect to these men. They are good examples.
proud 19 RAMD..from MALAYSIA..
What absolute honesty, humility, grace and a dash of sly humour, especially from Kyle Lamb. Thoroughly enjoyed it.
Greetings from Melbourne, Australia.
Not much mentioned about the Malaysia soldiers and APC who make the breakthrough and get the trapped Americans out of Bakara
I was a volunteer EMT, and every year we’d have a Nebraska Emergency Medical Services Association (NEMSA) weekend long conference. One year, after returning to work following the conference, I was talking to a coworker who was an Army Reserve Lt. Colonel. We were talking about the conference and I told him we re-elected our NEMSA President and told him his name. He told me the guy was in his Reserve unit. Asked me if I saw Blackhawk Down. I said yeah. He said remember the two medics who spent the night in the first helicopter trying to get crew out? Not the Delta guys in the 2nd one, but the medics in the first one. I said yeah. He said our NEMSA President was one of them. Was awarded the Silver Star.
Part about Major Aziz being declined the go heads is that the superior might actually want them to disobey and to go, but not put their ass on the line.
Man I was born in Bakaro and our house is still situated just near Olympic where these men fought with Aided's militia.
Amazing story
Salty soldiers always tell the best stories
Thank yall for serving our country
The Malaysian APCs are German made Condor, not Soviet made. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Condor_(APC)
I served under then Captain Perino in Korea. When speaking to him you knew you were talking to one hell of a soldier and a damn fine leader.
I respect them all, and I Say Semper-fi to them all. yeah, I'm a United States Marine but "game recognizes game" when ur a Bad dude then u know another bad dude. and u respect them. Kyle Lamb has done a lot since he left the Special Forces/ Delta force etc... again like I said I respect them all. good men with courage and a lot of character.
Well said, now get back to the Supply Room hard charger.( sorry couldn't help it) Semper Fi
Big dudes doing big things. Upmost respect for anyone defending my freedom. ✊
Defending your freedom how?
Gaala Eri Cusman keeping the bad guys at bay
@@chrisslays7373 Were you in Mogadishu? Were Somalies in your neighborhood? US military activities have nothing to do with your freedom and everything to do with private corporate and banking interests. Read "War is a Racket" en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_Is_a_Racket
Gaala Eri Cusman sorry , I’m not taking ignorant questions.
@Christopher Hoch Perhaps you should look at a map. Somalia is the choke point for a mayor commercial maritime route. It is very economically convenient to mantain control over such an area. Profits not involved? The US Government intervened to save the innocent and protect muh freeedoms... yeah right. If that were the case where was the US during Rwanda?
We were at 18 hour readiness status on Fort Stewart during this time with bags packed and ready. I was assigned to the 3/41 FA. We could not believe that the guys we were sworn to support were allowed to go without our support. God Bless you all.
Fucking billy shit Clinton... Bombing Belgrade civilians too, only to later have his cuntspousekillary allow four more of our Americans, two SEAL/Contractors to become abandoned, ignored, murdered... then we have Obama, roe, military diced, shredded to .33% max combat effectiveness. God protect us from Biden/Harris, it would be truly the challenge, survival fight of our Republic... All in or everything lost. VOTE !
The most interesting part of this story, and a few others I've read or listened to from other Ranger/Delta guys is how compartmentalized the battle experience was. For us civilians, you watch a movie and assume that everyone knew everything that was going on. The truth is each of them only knew a small part of the overall battle and had no idea what other things outside their immediate sphere were happening.
Tq Malaysia army
Thank you for bringing this forward sir I came for this 50:36
These guys are so blessed. Look at their morals. These guys played with their lives for us to have fun and drink beer here in the soil of freedom
MALBAT one of the best too in real combar
I love at 1:07:33, when the General stands up, the soldiers on the stage perk up "at attention".
''For none are closer to the very author of sacrifice Himself...
Than those who choose to perform it, for the sake of others.'' -gilpin 42719
-former recondo sgt. ''rock'' gilpin 11b4p 82nd abn. 1/504 inf. '71-'74
This happened exactly ONE year before my enlistment to boot. Had my school not held me back because of my birthday, I would have been in that mess in one form or another. Brave men, one and all. This is the practical talks that officers today NEED. I'm honestly glad that cluster wasn't on my plate, my heart goes out to each one that was O.M. that day.
Wow! What a privilege to have had guys like these in charge of taking care of business for the US.
These men deserve the purple heart and extra rank recognition for their brave service for our country man 💯💯💯💯🇺🇲🇺🇲🇺🇲🇺🇲🇺🇲🙂🙂🙂
I worked with these guys on quite a few occasions in the 1980's-90's. The Ranger Battalions, Delta, and Task Force 160 are among the best fighting operators in the world. They have remained so for decades. I was always so impressed by their absolute professional commitment to the mission and how seamlessly they are able to coordinate, adapt and focus under incredible stress and changing conditions. Wish we had been overhead that night.
@OMAR no they didn't. Delta force and rangers raped Somalia's asswhole
What I got from watching this now thinking to my time starting out in high school as a JROTC cadet before joining the Army was small leadership. I enlisted before graduating high school and by graduation time a month later I was at Ft. Benning Infantry Basic. When I was in my Basic Training company and platoon my Drill Sergeant within an hour after getting smoked and standing in formation came out and selected his squad leaders and platoon guide one by one stepping into his office. I was called 3rd in line and Drill Sergeant Larabelle had me close the door. From looking at my enlistment papers he saw that I was a high school JROTC guy. He told me from my memory. " Hmmmm. You are one of them JROTC Kayduds huh? Look Son! I better expect fucking leadership out of you just because I got you in my platoon. I better see that shit shine everyday you are here and I expect that they taught you well. If you fuck up! God help you! I will be on your ass like a ton of bricks every fucking day. You Sonny Boy are going to be my 4th Squad Leader. Shit had better be straight starting tomorrow morning for PT. I will be watching you! Now get the fuck out and stand your spot as 4th Squad Leader!". I ran out and stood in my position outside. From the very first day till graduation I was still Squad Leader. This was about credibility. Leading from the front, being on time, having the right stuff when needed, following instructions, and accomplish the mission and doing my job. That scared the shit out of me because I had to be the example. I took that lesson into me into the Army and trying to be a good NCO after 23 years. Like they said. You have to be credible at your job as a leader. It begins with small unit leadership.
@Hank3four I'm sorry did they hurt your poor little feelings? Too bad I hope the Drill Sergeant made you feel better after you told on those mean JROTC guys.
"The mission is way bigger than you are. If you don't like that, you're in the wrong business." Kyle Lamb is brilliant and so right on--a meditation on leadership that is always true, in every generation of warriors. He retired as a Sergeant Major, by the way, not as a Master Sergeant.
Agree 100%, and to add to your observation, he became a Command Sgt. Major. Never met him but personally know two other now retired CSM’s, Army types, if anyone else knows too, Chris Serrano and Ralph Borja. Serrano and Borja grew up of al, places , Vegas, bad influence for families, they rose above it as did Marine Master Gunnery Sgt. Doug Webster. Tops...!
Thank you Gentlemen for this excellent discussion.
Glad to see Larry and Kyle. Hope all the young cadets remember this: "You have to fight with what you got." Don't focus on what you don't have, continue with the mission.
thank sir 🇲🇾🤝🇺🇲...Malaysia Boleh✌️😎
May God bless you guys. I know it's not enough but thanks for your service!
If there is a God and hes truly blessed them. Hows that not enough??
@@paulwevers2109 He meant that him saying thanks is not enough for their service. Maybe you were just skimming quickly through, but you'll notice it is in a seperate sentance.
@@ecclesiaxxi6210 Yeah i noticed and still wanted to attack the God thing. Im kind of in a non political mood lately.
And i almost attacked the thank you for your service to. I see it to much. That over emotional reacting.
They never say what it really was.
Thank you for killing people in the name of my country and freedom.
Even if you are on the "good" side, it is still what it is.
And God has nothing to do with anything. Same as Allah. Same numbers in believers. Yet your God is right.
Im done with sugar coating.
Dont get me wrong, i think these men are brave men. I have no idear if i would have that in me. To fight like that. To overcome fear like that. I think the "other" side could be described as brave to. Maybe trough drugs and in this case that leaf that they chew. But you know..
Oooh i did it again, wrote my thoughts down as they were at that moment.
Go ahead punish it.
@R Bakken Good thing you guessed well about the atheist ape, and didn't bother responding and thus wasting your time, he clearly has plenty of time to waste (of course) and has a chip on his shoulder.
Blessings :)
@@ecclesiaxxi6210 Well that provoked a reaction...lol
So your a fanatic like the next taliban.
Pathetic and typical.
Thanks for the insults.
Rescue us, rescue us, please, crying for help! " American heroes" only.
The Malaysian Tigers got your back, US Rangers.
Sincere respect for these men
Thank you all:) Maybe with the grace of Father someday we can all live in peace:)
It’s good they also give 10th Mountain some credit.
Great listening to these vets. Love the part where he says the mission is bigger than you. If only this was applied in all walks of life!
Great examples of leadership, thank you for sharing your stories.
The fact is the Malaysian Ggk rescued them.... thats why they still alive
@@budguy21 All the Malaysian stay and fight only the Pakistani ran away..wacth Major Jeff Struecker interview 35:01 ....thanks to the Malaysian APC they are still alive
160th SOAR! "RANGERS LEAD THE WAY" WHOOA!! To my brothers that fell, i will never forget you and honor your memory till we all rally up again in the hereafter.
To a spectator..... even to this day ..I cant seem to swallow what happened that fateful day. May God Bless Each of you U.S. Soldiers and some others that Served our Countries Interest that fateful 24.
The interest was serving, assisting, helping the Somali people’s. Pressured by imam, wife of singer David Bowie, billy Clinton ordered troops in and its ops. His admin denied large backup forces, regiment sized in additions to being denied nods/starlights, ac130 specters, two were requested, all denied. After the massive snafu, the denial ranking ‘allegedly suicided himself’ due to grief..., figure that shady shite....
@@usaf1804 Thanks for your reply......And then... there are the ST6 mission loss questions..alot of non-transparancy there! Highly confuses me and slights my trust in the US Govt., meaning, it seems to be riddled with people who run things behind their curtain.....and they aint acting American !
thank you from me becouse story about ours army to world.the true story behind black hawk down.
from kuala lumpur malaysia
I was there... HHC 507th CSG (ABN) Ft. Bragg.. we all traveled together there from Bragg. Luis (Lorenzo) Ruiz was a dear friend... #fearless !!! Ate chow everyday together. R.I.P. 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸. Never forget while your sleeping, the US Infantry is rolling ✊🏽✊🏽✊🏽✊🏽✊🏽
As a new ICU nurse, my mentor was a combat medic on this op. He became an outstanding trauma nurse and trainer. Started IVs with his eyes closed. Turned me into a good flight nurse. Only saw him drink on the anniversary of this op. He was badass in a trauma code. Seldom talked about this
These guys are amazing. To put your lives in danger to exfil a casualty because they knew what would happen if they left the bodies is phenomenal. I admire these guys, their teams, and what the do
I have never served during wartime. I am 50 years old I took my oath at 17. I have since been able to talk to many guys who have seen combat whether it was Vietnam, Grenada, Iraq, Afghanistan, or any of the other smaller wars and battles that were fought by my brothers and sisters in uniform. Out of all of those conversations I am still surprised at the humble nature of these people who experienced what is truly the tragedy of war. AS a kid I wanted to be a soldier like my uncles and my grandfather. I didn't understand then what I now understand from my many conversations with combat vets. The US military does not train soldiers they train warriors. Warriors are ready willing and able to fight when it is necessary but they will hope and pray that the need for their skills and training never arises. Because we have men and women who will teach them through their experience that war is not a thing that is to be taken lightly. This is why I believe it is critical that our future military leaders have the opportunity to speak with and learn from gentlemen such as these. who are going to give you the straight poop as it were and not sugar coat things but are not going to make it sound like some glorious heroic Hollywood movie. I am grateful that these men survived to be able to teach the future generations. I am saddened that so many died. That is the cost of waging war and should never ever be entered into except in my opinion as a last resort when all else fails.
Great to hear first hand accounts and lessons learned. Thank you
Malaysia
Black Hawk Down is a required watch for new,in training soldiers and has been for years. Message: Never underestimate your enemy, and be ready for times when shit goes sideways.
My company commander during basic training was there, deepest respect and gratitude for shaping the training for the war I fought in.
I read a lot about the real battle as Mark Bowden wrote an amazing book after researching after-action reports and interviewing many troops. The Americans lost b/c they were under equipped, had poor intelligence on the ground, tended to telegraph their approaches from the air and didn't know about the enemy's tactics for pinning down American troops (until too late).
The Americans were seeking to kill (or capture) warlord Mohamed Farrah Aidid and during this fateful mission they targeted contacts who were closest to him, but did not use any armored vehicles. Aidid was not to be underestimated. During his career as a highly qualified officer, Aidid was selected to study advanced post-graduate military science at the prestigious Frunze Military Academy in the Soviet Union, an elite institution reserved for the most qualified officers of the Warsaw Pact. Months before the battle of Mogadishu, Aidid's forces fought a bloody battle with U.N. forces, and 24 Pakistani soldiers were killed (some skinned alive)!
In the days leading up to this battle, American special forces were unaware that Aidid had stocked piled many Russian propelled grenades with the sole intent of taking down American helicopters. During previous special forces missions, helicopters had approached Mogadishu from the nearby US base by repeatedly using the same flight path so that Aidid's forces could correctly anticipate which direction to watch for an American attack long before the Americans reached their target. Thus, the American's were under the false impression that they had the element of surprise. This advanced warning also allowed Aidid's forces to rapidly mobilize and quickly take down a Black Hawk helicopter (call sign: Super 6-1) and then pin down several squads that were tasked with rescuing the Super 6-1 crew. Aidid's forces also trapped the ground convoy by barricading many roads. Most American fatalities were troops who were part of this ground force which became infamously known as the 'lost convoy'. Eventually, another Black Hawk helicopter (call sign: Super 6-4) was taken down and with each passing minute, more helicopters took RPG fire as several others were damaged but managed to crash land in friendly areas. Since the Americans eventually decided (wisely) that helicopters could no longer be used for close air support and the Somali forces (and civilians) were too close to the special force's positions for any other kind of available air support to be used, this left the Americans surrounded and extremely out numbered. It was a big factor in why Randy Shughart and Gary Gordon died while heroically attempting to rescue the Super 6-4 crew. But since the Americans had expert pilots who were legends of the recent Desert Storm campaign, AH-6J gunships used night vision to provide fire support to the trapped Rangers and Delta Force operators who were in defensive positions around the Super 6-1 crash site while under constant fire. This provided vital time until the Army's 10th mountain division (along with Malaysian Armored Personnel Carriers and Pakistani tanks) could assemble a force and fight their way to the trapped special forces. This (alone) was the most intense urban fighting the Army had scene since the Battle of Hue City in Vietnam (a notorious battle).
All but 18 of the trapped special forces who were under equipped and outgunned survived what would likely have been a total massacre if it were not for their training, bravery and will to fight. The story the movie does not tell was how many Somalis died because neither the Americans nor the UN truly understood the political dynamics in Mogadishu or Somalia for that matter. In the process, both forces caused huge amounts of collateral damage by killing many Somalis who were their actual allies or civilians. In the case of the Americans, they ended the humanitarian mission (Operation Restore Hope) and sent special forces whose sole mission was to eliminate everyone necessary until Aidid was no longer a threat. They may have accomplished this even after the Battle of Mogadishu, but b/c of the political outrage of seeing bodies of American troops (and pilots) dragged in Somali streets on CNN, President Clinton quickly ended the mission.
Anyways, these guys went through an incredible fire fight!
Thanks for the reply. Good information. What do you think on this. Would it have made a difference if the AC 130s were given a go to be used in this battle? Thanks!👍🏻🇺🇸🇺🇸
@@JohnnyCage333 I believe to a degree. The problem was the lost convoy had to make it to the crash sites and as long as the roads were blocked off and they remained under heavy fire, this would have been difficult. But, these crash sites would have had much better fire support. The 10th Mountain should have been notified of the Ranger mission sooner. Or, if a better negotiation with Aidid were possible, we would have had a better outcome. I think it was a bit much to expect rangers and special forces to solve an entire countries problems by killing or capturing a powerful warlord on faulty intelligence.
The final score would disagree with your assessment that the Americans lost.
What an incredible commentary!! Much respect for these guys and all of our military!!