Can We Beat Sonic Adventure 2 ONLY Using Tails?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 17 มิ.ย. 2024
- We've done Sonic and Rouge, now its time to see if we can beat Sonic Adventure 2 ONLY using Tails! This one is a bit different since he has multiple forms we can utilize, I was really surprised with how this one came out!
Links to AxlThunder's Videos:
Metal Harbor as Tails: • MHa M3 as regular mech
Metal Harbor Ending: • mhetails
Green Forest: • gftails
Cosmic Wall as Knuckles: tinyurl.com/yc6eeaxd
The Full Streams are available on my channel page in the "previous stream" playlist. - เกม
The "internet connection" error was because you tried to switch to Airplane Mode, lmao!
I was going to say that an error in the code triggered the wrong function, but your joke response is much better.
Flying around at the speed of slow
Got places to go but im playing as tails
Final Rush? More like Final Take Your Time No Rush
"It kinda sucks that a lot of these just end up being fly to the end solutions, but I hope I'm doing a good job of at least showing off as much of the level as possible"
You are. Good job.
5:29 Who knew they planned Tails’ gameplay in Sonic Frontiers two whole decades ago??
I'll be honest... I didn't think someone could bring out fresh and entertaining content for SA2 anymore... I have been loving this series and I really can't wait for your next one!
This game is still going strong honestly! I still love playing it and definitely have more content ideas to come!
I always find it interesting that mechless Tails seems so fully gameplay-functional despite existing only for the Chao Garden.
It makes me wonder if at some point in development they were going to have mechless Tails be playable in normal gameplay.
Maybe it would have been a one off 'mini-game' stage (eg. Instead of racing to get the president, Tails would have some rooftop flying/platforming gameplay) but they scrapped the idea because they wanted to keep Hero and Dark as parallel as possible and there was no way to have a similar mini-game for Dark story.
Or maybe in very early development Tails didn't have a mech at all because they hadn't yet committed to the idea that Hero and Dark characters would be equivalent counterparts to each other (eg. Like the first Sonic Adventure game had completely distinct gameplay for all 6 characters) but as they struggled to figure out how to make Sonic and Terios/Shadow have distinct gameplay they came up with the idea of making the two sides mirror each other, but then that also basically forced Tails into a mech to be Eggman's counterpart.
I'm sure alot of that is correct. They maybe also used Sonic Adventure 1's tails and just made some changes to make him more chao garden friendly. I wish we got to use mechless tails more though.
apparently early in development there were only plans for Sonic, Knuckles and Eggman stages to be playable at all - Shadow, Tails, and Rouge were added in later (which honestly shows a little bit but i digress)
as for why mechless tails seems so much more complete, yeah it's probably just because they could base him off of SA1's version of tails somewhat.
(Funny enough there is actually a playable mechless Eggman as well as Tikal in the code of SA1, though it seems they exist more due to how cutscenes in that game are controlled rather than evidence of anything too exciting being planned)
Was here during the stream. Didn't expect the internet connection thing 💀
This challenge seems interesting on the outside, but inside you can see the true difficulties!
Thats how alot of these start, just with an interesting concept, and then we end up realizing how good it actually is when we try it out. Of course sometimes we try it and it ends up not being very interesting at all.
The only thing I can find about the error is that some guy on reddit had it 11 years ago, and everyone thought it was fake or pirated.
Thats so crazy how rare it is apparently lol. I know the original dreamcast game had online stuff such as costumes and chao garden DLCs, so the prompt itself being in the game isn't too weird, but the fact it just popped up mid level was so weird.
It seems to kinda just happen randomly sometimes, although it happens often for me because my laptop just loves to randomly lose wifi lol
@@Pixiuchu, same! I get that error all the time, and every time it appears it mutes the sound for some reason, so I have to pause and unpause the game to get the sound back.
The error is I believe from losing connection to the leaderboards
Real error could be Airplane Mode
Why did Eggman picking up the shovel claws look like that panda laying down and doing that weird dance? 😂
I like how the Ghosts in aquatic mine just are Golden Freddy now
Let’s take a dive in~Golden Freddy!
16:01 I think Eggman is loading in with Rouge's stats, so he has low health. Combine that with Tails' upgraded canon, and you've got a very easy boss! Also, I love videos like these, good job!
EDIT: 18:06, I think since there's a two-player mech stage themed after Mission Street/Radical Highway, it could have something to do with that. Personally I'd do it a different way, but maybe the game's structure forced their hand.
Yeah that might be whats happening. In previous videos characters like knuckles and shadow have upgraded health, so it makes sense that it would go both ways.
This was my first console game ever and I’m so thrilled that now as an almost 30 year old lady I can still enjoy new content about this game! It’s so wonderful, thank you so much for this!!
You picked a great first game 🎮
The invisible walls seems to be correlated with spots that have a high degree of automation, I.e. The game briefly takes control of the character and camera.
So it seems like those event triggers some how turn into walls for mech characters.
Maybe they are technically invisible walls for EVERYONE but the automation is allowed to ignore walls so for every other character when you hit the automation trigger the automation will get you past the invisible wall, but that automation doesn't work for mech characters due to fundamental differences in how they are coded
(/informed-speculation)
Thats not a bad theory! Certainly better then my theory which is the devs just hate tails and eggman lol
You are correct, but I want to add that it's most likely caused by the fact that mech characters have a larger hitbox. My theory is that they get stuck in a tunnel made of invisible walls. Modding the game to see collision boxes should confirm this. I have experience in programming and game design, and this explanation is the first thing that crossed my mind.
@@Accrovideogames ohh thats a good idea, I can use the debug mod to make the collisions visible, ill try that and see if those walla appear
@@EpicDuskkI feel like it boils down to either larger hitboxes or the difference in weight. Dash panels and springs have already been proven to be more powerful in mech stages to make up for the mechs being heavier and slower, so perhaps the walls have a property that allow passing through them at a certain speed that the mechs just can't achieve with the base dash panel speed.
*um actually those are keys* 🤓☝️
**gets thrown into a faraway forest**
Notice how theres no exit to the machine. The forest is just a nice lie they tell the kids
@@EpicDuskk Woothanasia!
(Woot + Euthanasia)
Okay now get out of that forest before it explodes
5:29 tails on his sonic frontiers activity 💀
*Cyclone Performance Summary:*
Craft has far exceeded my expectations and shown extreme adaptability to all environments and encounters. Model MD1991 code name “red tails” improves my original design by 9001% easily qualifying it and myself for the title of “Ultimate Lifeform”
Red Tails > Super Sonic
Cool video, Sonic Adventure 2 is one of my favorite games, definitely my most nostalgic. Fun to see people play it in different ways. I actually found your channel with your other two last night so to see this pop up the very next day was a welcome surprise!
Its still one of my favorites! Im glad you found the channel! Hopefully I can continue to make good SA2 content 🙏
“it makes him look like he stormed the capital” holy shit lmao
I’m trying to understand that reference. Were there fat guys in mech suits involved in the J6 hoax?
@@jmholmes83 It's a reference to Eggman's alternate outfit making him look like a n*zi.
Sort of like if you said Tails' *red* mech makes him look like he caused a man-made famine in Ukraine that killed up to 7 million people.
I was thinking of the attack that occurred 3 years ago in January
I'd love to see this same thing, but with mechless Tails
Been seeing all the streams and holding myself back from watching as to not spoil myself, well worth it!
Yooo! Sick that your boy Thunder came in clutch again.
Dude is a godly gamer for sure if he’s able to figure these things out on his own and prove the “impossible” is anything but.
Yeah he has a crazy understanding of the games mechanics. Thats what happens when you speedrun I guess! I was honored he hung out in the stream and helped me figure stuff out!
That live stream on this challenge was really fun, I’m glad I joined it
I'm glad you were there too!
Good to see you implementing some of the more in-depth emerald mechanics for this! I feel like you've gotten a lot better at these challenges just over the course of this series, and it's been really neat to see.
Also that internet connection message does just show up occasionally. I believe it has something to do with steam maintenance? Either way it'll just show up occasionally.
Yeah I knew about the emerald mechanics, but until now we never needed to utilize it. Im definitely learning alot though, its great learning so much about the little intricacies and mechanics!
@@EpicDuskkyeah, this game's incredible for sure. Also glad to see you repeatedly giving axl the props he deserves, he's a legend when it comes to challenges like this and that deserves to be known.
@@Zethoro for sure, Axl is great, he's helped out alot in figuring some of this stuff out!
Amazing run! I didn't even know Tails (and the other characters) had an alternate costume.
I always love the things I discover about how the game works on challenge runs like this one.
They have even more outfits then this even! There were holiday outfits on the dreamcast!
someone needs to investigate the requires internet connection thing bc thats weird
I think it’s because of the leaderboard on the pc version
All I know is that I get it a lot and every time I do it mutes the sound. Luckily the sound returns when I pause and unpause the game.
i think the mechs just have weird physics in general, which i wouldn't be surprised was due to them trying to prevent easy exploits during development. One infamous example of the weird physics being how you'll drop like a rock if you hover and scrape against a solid object - likely to prevent you from easily flying up a slight incline or something, but really obnoxious during regular play especially when trying to play fast.
Edit: also considering the mechs get different launch heights from (non-scripted) springs it makes me wonder if there was some consideration given to playing characters in stages not made exclusively for them, but was probably dropped given what a pain that'd be to fix without being jank as hell.
Lowkey I'd like to just see a video just for mechless Tails (and Eggman even if I'm sure he wouldn't be able to beat much.)
I know he was used some here, but only for a couple levels.
I might do something with him! Theres more mods that give him new abilities I might wanna try out
8:40
"My hands are HUGE"
best boy Tails
whenever i see your challenge videos it makes me wanna do some on my own cause they're honestly very fun :D
You should! And maybe you'll figure out somethings possible that I didn't think was!
This honestly deserves way more views, it's so entertaining
It'll get there! I just uploaded it, you're part of the early gang
@@EpicDuskk I'm glad to have been apart of the early gang :D
My guess as to the reason for the invisible walls, with zero technical knowledge of SA2, is that they probably reused a trigger for the mech characters, but made it act as an invisible wall instead.
22:50 That screen happened because you suddenly got an internet buffer, which was use for the leaderboard of this game. There is a mod that removed the error message entirely, tho.
im like the sea bear with the circle when u mentioned the 3 emerald mod
i got a "internet is required" slap when i used to play this. my little brother threw my gamecube out the window when i wasn't home because i had previously told him he couldn't play it until he stopped throwing the controller when he got mad. i shook some dirt out of it, it still worked for the most part. but the disk reader was for sure broken, the simsons hit & run had very broken car physics. i tried this game next, and the menus and everything worked. loaded into sonic's first level to keep trying for all the A ranks. and i was like "wow. i think the street is broken..." but kept going until part way through it gave me the same prompt. i literally went and asked my mom "do we have internet?" and she said no, so i showed her and she was very confused too. after that i hid my memory card to one day hopfully see my babies again, and let my little brother play on the gamecube all he wanted
I think it might've been interesting to see if the tails/eggman stages could be completed w/ the no-mech tails... Probably couldn't have been, but would've been funny/informative to see the attempt. Still, good video :D
Thats not a bad idea, maybe ill do that in another video!
The red paint makes Tails' mech move 3 times faster. It's just like in Gundam!
Imagine they put flames on it too, then it would REALLY go fast
Whenever you do the key levels you do the nerd meme and bully "Um Ackshually" but this time you sent him to a far away forest after doing the time limit glitch
I didnt actually send him lol, it was just a bit. I didnt save the game
i have to fly as knuckles in Radical Highway to get to the end
Looks like the invisible walls you keep running into are triggers for mechless characters to do some tricks in the air.
Assuming it doesn't work here for tails because there's not an animation for it so he just gets stuck there.
I think the reason mechs move faster up hills is cause they have the lowest default running speed with no mechanic such as the spindash or a punch to increase their forward momentum, the devs gave them that massive speed boost because they wouldnt be able to get up hills otherwise given their low default speed.
Also I am pretty sure the invisible walls in City Escape are there for everybody, they are there to prevent the player from jumping over the dash panels. The problem is that Eggman and Tails's hurtboxes are too big and the gap for the invisible wall is too low to the ground for them to go under it like any other character would. Not sure on this but I think that is the case.
Anyways great video, keep up the good work!
I dont think thats it because no other slopes give them a speed boost. Only the Green Forest/White Jungle ones. They have slopes even in their vanilla levels, and never get a speed boost.
The city escape theory sounds right, i'll have to go back and check next time I play to see if the walls are there for other characters!
@@EpicDuskk Ah okay, I was sure they got that speed increase on all steep inclines but it has been a good bit since I played SA2 so that is interesting. What a weird quirk. 😂
Can’t wait for the next episode: Can Tails/Dr. Eggman complete SA2 Without Their Mechs? (like how they are in the Chao Garden.)
This was so much fun to watch. Not sure why you got the Internet Error though. Very silly.
I have a request. So at the end of Cannon's Core when you're Sonic sliding to the end, and you're presumably at the part where you fight the Biolizard, is that area a fully function area or is it a 2D plane? I'm curious what a closer look at that area looks like beyond the Shadow fight and cutscenes. Thanks for making fun content as always!
Just a 2D background sadly. I was curious about that too and explored it off camera but its just a backdrop.
@@EpicDuskk Darn. Still cool tho. Thank you! c:
THAT EGGMAN ALTERNATE OUTFIT JOKE HAD ME LAUGHING FOR LIKE TEN MINUTES STRAIGHT AHAHAHAH
im glad i was apart of the stream
I'm glad you were too!
I remember doing this challenge myself, though I started from a fresh save file so I couldn't hover in City Escape.
I was able to beat King Boom Boo, though. You can just barely hit him with a Propeller Punch in shadow form.
Yeah a few comments mentioned you actually! Im shocked king boom boo was possible! Did you beat city escape without gliding? I have to check out your video when im home from work!
@@EpicDuskk I just swapped to Mechless Tails, finished the skateboard section legit, then hovered past the GUN Truck.
I wasn't prioritising any one Tails; I just wanted it to show Tails' mug on the life counter.
9:05 nice dance moves eggman 👍
Being there on stream was so fun.
seeing tails do so many emerald shards was so surreal
All these characters being able to hunt the emeralds makes knuckles not seem so important lmao
@@EpicDuskk agreed lol
@EpicDusk But he’s the protector of the Emeralds and gems!
@@___________0Z0X He sure didnt look like it when he broke the master emerald
@@EpicDuskk what do you mean? I thought he did a “bang up” job.😂
In green forest,you actually spawn in front of the wall in the Dreamcast version of SA2,so you can go down the slope easily.I don't know if I ever said this but I play on Dreamcast and don't have much idea about the GameCube/PC one lmao
For White jungle,you spawn on a platform high above the starting point which... why does it even exist?
9:36 The ghosts scare Tails so badly that the game crashes.
I got that "Internet connection is required" popup too but during Final Rush a few years ago. Not sure what it is, either.
Clearly we need an internet connection lol
25:00 wait a second... this is just Mario Galaxy!
22:50 looks like Yūji Naka is coming to wasted you :D
I think Crazy gadget can be done as mechless tails if you clip through the back fence at the start of the level by using omochoa. Then you just following the same path with rouge. I've done it using an action replay code on GC but I haven't tried it on the pc version yet.
Ill give it a try and update if it works!
I’m amazed tails was able to do so much too, wow
hopefully after Frontiers they start giving Tails his mech back
Id be fine with mechless tails, and just make eggman mech playable again
regarding the internet connection required, it's a text box from when the game was on dreamcast since there was internet capability. I imagine it popped up because you managed to create an error that matched it with your speed going uphill with the sliding he was doing and with the angle he was at. no clue if that's actually why, but it looks like the game was trying to process something as soon as he started sliding, which I personally don't recall seeing mech tails do.
TL;DR I think you caused the game to register an error, and something about what you were doing made it read a code that would normally be obsolete
Tails can be more powerful than Sonic if he just stepped out of Sonic's shadow.
Oh hey I've done something simular at Radical Highway but I only did *without* using his mech.
You should do some kind of video with the Klonoa mod for SADX! Not sure what.
I've always hated the mech stages specially tails but seeing him completing almost every level is insane
👏
I like the mech stages and treasure stages, I do wish they would be a bit more creative with the levels though. It would be fun to do a platforming level as rouge/knuckles that could utilize their unique moveset for something other then hunting. For tails all they had to do was let us use red tails outside of multiplayer and that would be the most fun character easily lol
SAME!! I remember as a kid I loved playing as Tails in Adventure 1, and then be super disappointed having him in a mech in Adventure 2
4:21-6:40 Wow I didn't even know that on an incline that Tails with the red tornado will fly upwards while jet boosting it seems to be a precursor to how the Tornado 2 is in Sonic Frontiers Final Horizon luhmayo of course 8:59p.m. 4/18/2024
The internet connection error is theorised to be the game's way of checking its license and failing to do so properly, at least that's what I've heard
The audacity. I own this game on Dreamcast, Gamecube, Xbox, PS3, AND Steam. I absolutely have the license 😂
I'm the Eggman
I broke my back
I'm the Eggman
Because of shovel claws
I'm the Eggman
Please help me, help me please
Why I did this
technically there is a way to fall in to the void in security hall you just have to land on the fans right
Wait. They figured out how to fight the actual characters in their rival fights!? That may open up some possibilities
It works in most cases, in alot of them it crashes the game still. I definitely wanna go back and see if any of the characters can beat the other ones though, its interesting to see!
Do you think you would ever do a full Mechless Tails run through?
Probably not the regular mechless tails since thats gonna just be "Fly out of bounds and go to the end" for every level, but theres a mod that gives him back his Sonic Adventure 1 abilities and I think at some point ill do a run with that! Amy has one too I was probably gonna do next. And then Mechless Eggman if im feeling a little silly.
After those 3 Idk if there will be any more characters to do that wouldnt be too similar to another one, but ill keep my eyes open for other ideas. Thankfully theres a bunch of other mods to try out for this game so Im not running out of ideas anytime soon!
Eggman without mech would just be to easy
Yeah hes too powerful. His slap attack would 1 shot every boss lmao
Had no idea tails red outfit was so fast lmao
He be ZOOMIN
You should sequel this with the Tails mod that makes the mechless form like SA1, or the mod that gives Amy a new moveset
Yeah Im considering doing that actually! I dont wanna do a run thats too similar, but using the new tricks mods for tails and amy might be worth it. Im not sure if Ill do them in this same style going through each level, or if I wanna try something different, but either way i definitely wanna do some kind of video for those mods.
I also wanna do a mechless eggman one because I think it would be silly.
I get that “An internet connection is required” notification all the time when I play SA2 on my steam deck and it seems to go away when I disable my internet. Frankly I wonder if there is some kind of unused feature in the steam version of the game.
Probably the leaderboards. Ive gotten it a few more times since this video. So weird how its never happened before, I have like 500 hours on this lol
I didn't actually know the secret costumes had any real difference aside from the skin
In most cases it only affects the special attacks they get, not the gameplay itself. Tails and eggman are different
Dr. Rank beat the King Boom Boo boss with mech tails!
Thats so awesome, now we just gotta beat crazy gadget somehow and hes got the game in the bag 😎
whens "can you beat sa2 using only coldsteel"?
Nothing personnel kid
I wonder if the Pause Buffer Jump works for the GameCube? I always have difficulty achieving it
It does if Im remembering correctly. The position of the buttons might make it harder a little bit
What about the mech stages, but with mechless Tails?
19:47
How are you able to start a specific boss fight and section of cannon's core?
For bosses I use a mod called stage select bosses. For cannons core I use the debug menu in the mod manager.
I get an error "an internet connection is required" all the time when I play the game. Usually, the message goes away when I hit a. I can continue playing afterwards, but it removes the sound,, so I have to pause and unpause to get the sound back.
Yeah since getting this one its happened two more times. Its so weird
About the internet connection, idk why but it appears to me frequently (and my internet never falls, and you can play the game offline) so I think is just a thing ported from the gamecube that isnt used anymore.
When it happens to me, the music stop playing after i hit ok, but if I pause and unpause the game, it turns back to normal
Go figure 🤷
Yeah the music stopped for me too and fixed itself like you described. Its weird
You can technically nuzlocke this game, thanks to mods.
Chao garden nuzlock would make chat go crazy when I gotta delete chao 😂
@@EpicDuskk You could set up a timer to prevent yourself from just grinding chao stats. When the timer goes off, someone's gotta compete.
No plans to see if Super Sonic/Super Shadow can beat the game?
Maybe! That could be a fun to see, but every level would be "fly to the finish" lol.
@@EpicDuskk True, but hey, could still be fun to see how much of the levels could be done "on the ground", or even if they can be beaten without something like an infinite rings cheat!
But how many of the extra missions can you do as everyone?
Thats something I might do later! It might be fun to revisit these challenges maybe a few months from now, update them with the levels we've later discovered are actually possible, and try to do all the bonus stages.
I see SA2 content, I click. Simple.
Me for real
Maybe tails moves up slants faster is because be was designed for different types of levels
I doubt it because its only the green forest hills. Other hills slow him down. City escape hills even stop him
NOOOOO WHY NOT LE BIOWIZAWD WOMP WOMP WWAAAAAHH 🤧🤧🤧🤧😭😭
Red tails is to good
Egg man was so surprised about shovel claws his back broke
Red Tails is the real ultimate life form
8:47p.m. 4/18/2024
He says "Beat", but what I am seeing is Breaking the game.....hmmmm
16:29 You used both mechs, but what about Mechless Tails? You said at 8:21 that Mechless can fly as Long as he can (if there is no hidden ceiling)
We dont have control of tails for the first few seconds, so we have no way of getting mechless tails high enough to get out of bounds. The invisible wall goes up pretty high. I meant to include a clip of mechless tails trying, but i guess I forgot.
@@EpicDuskk okay, thanks for telling me.
@@Ketchup_Sussy Of course! I respond to every comment
I feel bad for knuckles and rouge cause this is the worst type of gameplay this game offers, but people still hate the treasure hunting stages more.
Nah the mech stages and treasure hunting stages are fun. I like the variety in the adventure games. People hate the treasure hunting stages because they wander around aimlessly trying to find emeralds randomly. Once you learn the game a bit more, running through those stages and trying to find emeralds quickly is actually pretty fun. Most people don't want a learning curve like that though, they want effortless speed, thats why we have "Press X to win" boost mechanics in later games.
Can you do no mech tails for the whole game?
The challenge with that is literally every possible level will just be flying out of bounds and going to the end. Mechless tails doesn't have a whole lot to show off, he's kind of a one trick pony. That said I'll probably still end up making that a video just because these do so well and plenty of people have asked it despite me thinking it wont be as entertaining without a bunch of cool stuff to show off.
In the meantime I have other tails videos! My favorite one is the mod that lets him fly the plane.
How Do I Use Red Tails in Regular Levels???
10:01 you did not use that quote right at all little clanker, nice attempt on rick and morty high iq. but not gonna cut it.
What are you yappin about I was referencing phineas and ferb lol
yapstar battlefield!! lets go! @@EpicDuskk
Tomato
19:18 all the loops are scripted events
I guess I could have worded it better, what I meant was that loop is scripted to always start from be beginning if we touch it anywhere.
@@EpicDuskk that makes sense
you can beat king boom boo with mech tails
its very finnikcy but i can be done same with mech eggman and mech tails u do it by using their boxing glove to hit king boom boo under and than use the vulcan cannon to shoot him to death.
Yup I learned this after posting!
@@EpicDuskk how were u sble to play as other characters in lster parts of cannon's core
@@elibonham4388 By using the debug mode in the mod manager, you can select individual parts of the level to boot up.
it's just random.
You can beat the ghost boss with mechless tails
How? We tried that, his attacks dont get him out of the ground.
@@EpicDuskk there’s a dr rank video where he beat the boss with mech tails and use power punch to use to attack
@@speedstergamesplush6936 do you have a link? Id love to check it out!
@@EpicDuskk I do m.th-cam.com/video/QborpI_QLJY/w-d-xo.html