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- This Video shows tests conducted in Germany by Professor Max Donner at the Alliance-Zentrum fur Technik, under the scruting of engineers from the German motoring organisation ADAC.
"The small delivery van crashes into the concrete wall at 36km/h. The left hand door flies open. The vehicle is 65cm shorter in a fraction of a second. The drivers cab is compressed, the driver is completely jammed in the cab. What does the manufacturer catalogue say? "All round steel body with safety cell for passengers". Are other forward control vehicles also unsafe? Seven delivery vans from Germany and Japan in a crash test." - ยานยนต์และพาหนะ
"The steering wheel rim impacted the chest very unfavourably" otherwise known as "Aaaargh!"
The germans put "death" soo elegantly. Those were only 28mph tests. The IIHS would have a field day.
According to IIHS the t3 is impressively better than the initial estimations after the NHTSA's approval tests for import.
To be be more accurate, I can say that IIHS recognizes the t3 as the safest, with the lower death rate, car of it's era!
And all these for the 2wd edition. The 4wd, (Syncro), edition is even much more better because of structural reinforcements and much better active safety.
Some links to check the previously mentioned:
Passive safety:
www.vwsyncro.eu/p/blog-page_18.html
Active safety:
www.vwsyncro.eu/p/blog-page_2.html
4wd cars are safer:
www.vwsyncro.eu/p/article-excerpt.html
This is the Syncro Heresy:
vwsyncro.eu
this is what most of the cars before mid-1990s did. Drivers were shis kebaped.
@@HellenicVanagonTheSyncroHeresy you are spamming us PD now a 2007 daihatsu mira, a 2004 hyundai atos & even a 2000 renault twingo are obviously safer
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah
I used to own a Hiace. Loved that van. So much fun to drive, very reliable, but scary.
i have a school trip tmrw and the van they use is a hiace and yep they are scary and love to almost roll.
My heart is now beating as per soundtrack..
The 80s.
same
Wife ran to the steps and wondered if something was wrong with the clothes washer! She said it sounded like it was walking across the floor. I did not care for that heartbeat sound in slow motion.
@ 4:20 i love how the Vanette automatically opens the rear sliding door, because the front door is jammed as fuck
AND IT WAS ONLY AT 36 KM/HR!!! I CAN'T IMAGINE WHAT COULD HAPPENED AT 60 OR 100 KM/HR 😱
I don’t think many L200 vans have ever reached 60kmh, never mind 100
8:29
NO Mitsubishi was ever serious damaged by a crash with over 200 kph...😊
TBH, 100 km/h into a wall is unsurviveable even in the safest vehicles of today.
None of the dummies where holding onto the steering wheel..., It's no wonder they crash.
So...remember to hold the wheel to avoid crashes
The real dummies would be texting with both hands.
No, texting with one and smoking with the other........
Nobody:
Loading screens be like:
*Steering can help avoiding car crashes*
Hahaha
Luckely no parcels were harmed during the tests.
I like their four-striped knock-off Adidas suits
marten you know they were kinda going to get destroyed anyway
Thats the kind of idiot that gets in those accidents...ones that wear Adidas outfits
Gopniks having a tough day.
@@mxferro no no, authentic three stripes will protect you from anything including Chernobyl nuclear radiation. but not the knockoff 4 stripes
allianz brand
I used to be adventurer like you untill master break cylinder hit on my knee.
1:03 smiley face!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
VW's van here shows basically no deformation .
I was an investigating officer at a crash of this van into the side of a city bus where the driver died. The van showed very little deformation and stood up very well except..... the door came open and the stupid driver wasn't using the seatbelt. He fell outside and the bus ran over his head.
These Germans don't lie. I've done many collision investigations and german cars come out on top.
Mercedes-Benz cars crash like Tiger tanks.
They crush the opposition?
lunsmann the only van I investigated in a crash struck the side of a moving city bus at 90 degrees. As a general rule Japanese vehicles do not crash as well as German vehicles.
Burt Hulbert its because they put more into there design then the Japanese models did, even some of the American models of the era. Volkswagen and Volvos were seen as the standard of what automakers strived to be in terms of safety. However with that safety there was a cost factor, and many car manufactures just chose to make a cheaper inferior product instead. Also the price of safety in the end is paid for by the consumer. If the consumer isnt as worried about their personal safety then they aren't going to be paying for it. They'll buy the cheaper vehicle, every time! ! ! Safety in the industry is largely determined on supply and demand. Still is. Gocernment regulatory agency's can try to promote safety but it will always fall back on the consumer in the end.
James Behrje retards buying vehicle solely on the basis of looks are just retards. They get what they pay for...death! 💀
#GermanAutoLover4Life
Burt Hulbert #GermanAutoLover4Life
German cars are all I own and will ever purchase.
These VWs really proved their worth in Lebanon during the '80s conflicts, as well as Palestinian territories. Always interesting to watch them at work as ambulances, heaving over debris in the street, independent rear axle articulating every which way. Would be fun to have one of these with an EJ22 swap.
For the passive safety of the vw t3, you can have a look at here: www.vwsyncro.eu/p/blog-page_18.html
herrgolf i own one with an EJ25. Fabulous vehicle. Their bodywork is very good.
Tough
Vw t3 vs all 1980s japan cargo van, very interesting!
Good and interesting video, thanks for posting.
Very thanks for upload
Back in the bad old days when Japanese cars crumpled up like Coke cans.
Cars are supposed to crumple... that’s their goal. Just not to the extent where the cabin is intruded.
Douglas Nunn - Nooooo! Really?
Alex462047
Im glad I am not the only person who does that.
Alex462047 yes they are. if they didnt, the impact would be higher
Alex462047 they still do this
Excelente informe. Un gran hallazgo. Felicitaciones. Un abrazo grande desde Argentina
Hear The Crushing Steel
Feel The Steering Wheel
Hear The Crushing Steel
Feel The Steering Wheel
What's even more disturbing is of the Japanese vans, the Mitsubishi was one of the oldest models tested and was even then thought to be not as safe as it's Japanese rivals. It's also interesting to see how many vans did not have laminated windscreens, apart from the VW I don't think any of the others did.
Green Nissan, the door opened cause you arrived at your destination
Destination: death
Your final destination.
I like the heartbeat during slow motion.
Great ominous tune during crash slow mo
Good job they didn’t test a Bedford Rascal.
rebadged daihatsu ? those were made of newspaper thin sheetmetal. did supermarket diliveries until the second door fall out. what a piece of crap was that.
Geez that would actually just fold in half. There would be no dummy left he would have become part of the van
@@arjanvanraaij8440 It's not a rebadged Daihatsu. It's a Suzuki SuperCarry.
Lmao
I used to look after some pickups barly fit in and having size 13 feet dread to think. Awfull
To this day people still getting killed by those minivans everyday in my country.besides they drive them suicide mode.
Andres Garcia REEEEEEEE *drives off bridge*
No wonder why everyone stopped making this kind of vans
The middle engine Hiace is still in production :/
Some of the vans crash-tested in this video are still available brand new in Southeast Asia and Africa.
the L300 is still new here in Indonesia. yes that one in the Video with a different headlight and fake grille
The VW definitely did the best here, but it had one major flaw: it had a windshield designed to fly out. No cars on the market in 1984 still had this feature; yes it happened from time to time in crash tests where the occupant compartment was severely compromised, but not where it had no or minor damage. In the USA, Federal standard required windshields to stay in place on passenger cars starting on January 1, 1970. Vans got an exemption to about 1991 I think. In Europe, pop-out windshields generally disappeared before 1980.
Other than that, it would have performed about like an average 1980s car in a frontal crash, while the rest of the vans would have done far worse. VW definitely did a great job on the structural design for a van with very little front crush space.
However, the next generation Japanese vans that started coming out around 1986 beat even the VW T3 on safety. The T3 failed a NHTSA full-front crash test (other full-size van designs from its era did much worse, though). The Mitsubishi Van and Nissan Vanette passed this test in 1988-1989.
June 18, 2023 12:52 am
Loved my Mitsubishi L300 express 8 seater van back in those days. Never thought of accidents then but that little van did 80k in the first year with no issues.
These are accidents averaging about 23mph.... terrifying
A Volkswagen that can be fixed for a reasonable cost? Where?
Anti Angelofmusic So true.
In 1984.
Everything before 2003
I wonder if VW were gaming the tests back then as well?
1:13 Mitsubishi L300
2:52 Isuzu Cargo Van
4:20 Nissan Vanette
5:47 Nissan Urvan
7:13 Toyota Hiace
8:33 Toyota Liteace
9:55 Volkswagen Transporter
Nice Trackie's
Dans le cas de l'étude de l'accidentologie des véhicules à cabine avancé tel le Volkswagen Transporter 3 ça nous donne une vue des recherches de la part des ingénieurs de l'époque. C'est tellement intéressant 😄😃😃😃🤙🤙
Tests only done at 22mph? Seems like VW cherry-picked the speed to maximize the Vanagon's "better" performance. I wonder what a crash test of the VW at the more realistic 40mph commonly used for crash tests would look like.
I was thinking the same. Also note how the speeds are not exactly identical. They also made the mistake equating a 35 kph frontal offset to a stationary block with a 50-55 kph full frontal crash. Still scary how poorly the Japanese performed at this low speed.
The Vanagon didn't need to have a cherry-picked test, as they are that safe.
I own a 91 Vanagon and a 1978 Ford Econoline, and the Vanagon is safer, but the Ford is a better work van.
Note that American Econolines from 1975 to 1991 crash about the same, as they have the same frame and body...
Chris Freemesser
VW would never cheat to make their car look good?
O .....Yes.....actually that's exactly what VW do.
22mph test is totally meaningless and VW knew that but also knew it would not pass at any greater speed.
Once a cheat always a cheat.
The other vans however are just criminal .
This was 1984, no vehicles could pass a 40 mph offset crash test then. I believe Mercedes was designing for offset crashes at 50 kph (31 mph) then, they were ahead of the curve. Volkswagen was able to make a flat nose van perform as well as a typical car of the era (with a front end). In a 40 mph offset, the dummy in any of the vans, including the Vanagon, would be fatally injured, as would the vast majority of the dummies in cars of the era. The standard crash test carmakers tried to pass in 1984 was a 35 mph full frontal, offset crash tests weren’t done yet.
November 6, 2019 5:18 am
I'm inclined to give VW a pass on the speed thing. The beginning of the video stated, paraphrasing, that the speed and set-up used here was applicable to about 90% of the wrecks these types of vans were involved in. That seems reasonable to me considering that the life of one of these vans would likely consist of deliveries, hauling tradies' tools, shuttles, etc in an urban environment. Anecdotally, I don't drive that much faster downtown either.
How awful. Crashes a little above 25 MPH could not possibly be so bad, but these vans prove that anything is possible.
Vanagon, at this 40% overlap difficult test, has a perfect behavior.
For more aggressive cases, please have a look:
www.vwsyncro.eu/p/blog-page_18.html
A little below 25 mph - to be specific, 23-24 mph. Proves how far car safety has come that if I were in this type of crash in my 2011 Honda Accord sedan I probably would literally be unhurt.
March 5, 2018 2:09 am
@@HellenicVanagonTheSyncroHeresythanks! Also this is a throwback to when TH-cam used to allow links in comments. Not anymore though
Crazy how the Mitsubishi L300 is still being produced in some third world countries even today.
Philippines and Indonesia are still in production.
4th gen Mitsubishi L400 / Delica Space Gear has front engine.
Let's face it; this is simply poor vehicle design. There is no crumple zone or added protection for the unfortunate persons occupying the front seats. That's a fail.
With the exception of the vw t3.(t25)
Most passenger cars from this era were just as bad
The t3, (according to the IIHS), was the safest car of the era.
Please have a look: www.vwsyncro.eu/p/blog-page_18.html
And one of the safest cars today.
Yup, there's only so much you can do with a fatal design flaw like this
Having no reason to support the Vanagon, Caravelle, Transporter, but that I was a proud owner/driver about 13 years for the 2wd and 10, consecutive, years for the Syncro, I can tell you one think: the car is a tank. It is much better than the 90% of the nowadays cars in terms of active and passive safety.
For the active: www.vwsyncro.eu/p/blog-page_2.html
For the passive: www.vwsyncro.eu/p/blog-page_18.html
The Syncro Heresy: www.vwsyncro.eu/p/blog-page_35.html
The L300 is still alive here in the Philippines
What about their drivers?
Some... I saw one that crashed.
And it still has the same design... Except the van version.
Gino Sangalang Also Indonesia as Isuzu Bison and Mitsubishi Colt L300 (truck and minibus).
@@ginocole no bigger changes. Bigger bumper ... shift lever moved from wheel to floor...
Headlights now plastic.
Why does every crash sound the same?
Those VWs were tough little vans in their day, if you were going to drive a van they were one of the best ones but time has moved on and I suspect the same test on a modern van would make the T3 look somewhat weak.
Mesmo sendo um perigo esses carros vendem muito .
1 Vw
2 Isuzu
3 Nissan
4 Mitsubishi
5 toyota
There is a big gap between the first and the second.
Actually, the report shown in the end states that the hiaces comes in second, asserting it "rather favorable results": "Das Schwestermodell Toyota Hiace lieferte im [Verglei]ch zu den übrigen Testfahrzeugen, außer VW Typ 2, eher günstige Ergebnisse." The following paragraph names the Nissan models as the least safest vehicles, with very high deformations already at no load for the Urvan, severely injuring the passenger, while the car technically can carry very high loads, suggesting even worse damages to the body.
This video is from the 1984. As for VW. They have to deal with all issues of the first Beatles so they try to make a safe products.
No doubts the transporter is the best of all. Love VW. Vans.
Boris - gopnik crash test
Claude Tasquier Yes!
True!
I like this style of van. I just wish they were safer
The Vanagon is safe, even when compared to modern cars...
I wonder how much did that heartbeat soundtrack help lure customers into buying the VW. Also my dad was in a l300 crash, narrowly escaped losing his dick, of course I wouldn't be here otherwise.
I would love to see the transporter against today's safety standards and tests.
Yes, yes, i have a VWINNER! :-)
Has the "collision" sound already been "identified" during installation?
Now try the same test with a Transit.
Laurence Cope which one?
pugs are awsome Ford Transit.
A Transit from this era at least had a nose. It's probably markedly less unsafe, as opposed to safe, than any of the vans tested. I would think. I would hope...
In VW the rear view mirror falls down under impact??
What do you expect from a vehicle with ZERO front end protection.
I didn't know old vans were safe!
Very interesting...
I wonder how results are 30 years later.
Perfectly as you can see here: www.vwsyncro.eu/p/blog-page_18.html
I mean if these tests were done nowadays with current 2018 vans, will the results be the same???
No they would be a lot better. In a lot of 2018 vans you could walk away from this type of crash at 64 kph.
March 5, 2018 2:08 am
In theory, yes. Now you can see a real life crash test of a 2wd Vanagon, (inferior to a Syncro), at 40 miles per hour: www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=419961&start=0
And here you can find the photo: 3.bp.blogspot.com/-lPXIi8b46Ig/WExVBsZB8tI/AAAAAAAAAsE/wD-r_ZLvdF08f597-hRux2FLWwh2DgoEgCLcB/s1600/P1030508.jpg
@@HellenicVanagonTheSyncroHeresy, wrong the 2WD is safer. as they are much harder to roll over. Besides the Syncro has twice the repair costs...
デリカとファーゴはそこそこ丈夫だな。
So good I didn't live in those years and didn't drive those deadly vehicles.
Thank god I never passed my driving test until 2006. I never got to drive those death traps in town, either.
12:47 - Who are they kidding - anything with strut tower deformation is an INSTANT write-off.
Αυτό ήταν απλά εκείνη την εποχή για να κατηγορηθούν ως επικυνδινα τα ιαπωνικά αυτοκίνητα θυμάμαι με το nissan vanette που είχε ο πατέρας μου μας τράκαραν μετωπική και δεν πάθαμε μικροτραυματισμούς
Test of the Transporter against MB T1, Transit and other european Vans of this time would be more comparable..
3:00 3D Glasses on :)
Edgar Beat pop some LSD and get ready for glitchy Microsoft Movie maker
Strangely No Mercedes TN in the tests?
That would be the transporters main competitor
No crash test dummies were harmed in making this video.
The blow to the body is high because there is no crumple zone... In fact, the VW gives the driver the fastest deceleration what could result in more internal damage to vital parts...
Nonsense. Take your pick, broken femurs and a major hit to the via steering wheel, or rapid deceleration. None of these 36 kph crashes were anywhere near causing deceleration-based injuries.
NCAP: "the VW VANAGON has the best chest deceleration score", it is tough and soft.
The Vanagon has a crumple zone, just not as big of one as a front-engined van or car...
they used the same audio clip for every crash
Yeah.. Haha.. Heartbeat sounds
Je l'aime mon t3 :))
I would like to see what they said about the deceleration force on the internal organs.
We are talking about 36 km/h or 22 mph - bicycle speed in fact
NCAP: "the Vanagon has the best chest deceleration rate".
Notorius Vanagon vs Volvo 745 crash test:
HIC (Head Injury Criterion) for driver, Volvo: 3,868, VW: 155
Head Impact, Volvo: 200 G, VW: 42 G
Chest impact, Volvo: 65 G, VW: 30 G
The Volvo "driver" is killed.
The Vanagon driver with brushes.
All these here:
www.vwsyncro.eu/p/blog-page_18.html
Im sure it was "less than favorable" with the wheel crushed in the dummys chect.
@ Willis Curry
it wouldn't have been such a great invest to construct a softer steering-wheel.
The old VW beetle (the series with the flat front screen) was severely worse in this regard - the steering axle was one solid piece without links and invaded passenger room even at a minor crash.
@@akronymus If by old VW beetle you are referring to a 1938 thru 1950s model...
يعني احين سويتوا شي
ما اشوف باساتكم
بس اشوف باصات تويوتا في الشوارع
0:22 Mitsubishi Delica (L300)
These old Vw vans are very unsafe compared to the much newer one. Search from youtube: Camper im Crashtest: VW Transporter T3 gegen VW T6
I like the dummy red outfit...
"crashing into a barrier at 35 km/h is equivalent of a collision at 55 km/h"
no it's not. the barrier does not impart any force into the vehicle beyond it's equal and opposite reaction.
I do not understand that reasoning, either. Maybe because the barrier is kind of diagonal, the energy is not released at once? Or, it is just something the auto industry made up, so they do not have to show people what their car would look like in a road speed collision.
I think it has to do with the fact that it is an offset crash, so only part of the vehicle is able to absorb the impact. What they are saying is that the amount of deformation you get in a 35 km/h offset is about equal to a 55 km/h direct head since the whole frame would be taking the impact. Unless the manufacture totally screws up and builds the right side of the frame differently from the left, this kinda makes sense, though IDK if they are right about the speed difference for it to be equal.
The reason is that in those crash test solid concrete walls were used, so all the energy is converted into deformation on the van. In a head - on collision the energy is converted into deformation in both vans, so the deformation is much less, they probably intended total Speed 50km/h, so each van travelling at 25km/h. In modern crash tests they don't use solid walls, they use metal boxes that simulates the deformation of the other car too.
3:05 projectile chops civilian head off
the van is crashed like a beer can falling slowly i mean slow motion lol
4:17 Ironhide's death wasn't this gruesome in the 1986 movie!
I want to know who the narrator is
A Bukhanka would be interesting, in comparison.
After an offset frontal crash test the VW wasn't even totaled
Aka VW Eurovan in the US. It meets US standards.
Austrian Olympic jumpsuits. Or Swiss.
Did they miss all the other Vans at that time? Mercedes? Ford Transit? Bedford? US Vans? and so on...
@ Terje Larssen
this is a test of VW T3 against top-selling Japanese competitor forward-control vans, as VW claimed superior safety
akronymus why no Mercedes TN van?
The narrator said the statistic ass backwards. He said hitting the stationary object at 35kph was tha same as a head on collision at 55kph. WRONG AS YOU CAN GET! Hitting the stationary object at 35kph is the same as 2 vehicles hitting head on at 17.5kph. You add the two speeds together not subtract them.
All of these tests happened in a second, or two, or two, or two, boom boom, boom boom, boom boom.😅
It was horrific that such catastrophically weak commercial vehicles were allowed to be sold!
The tests speak for themselves, and as a driver I would've wanted to have been in the VW.
The Japanese micro trucks would come out even worse than any vehicle in this test.
When exported Japanese cars were the era's boogeyman from Asia.
Oh yeah they totally didn't reinforce that one specific transporter.
Thanks! I was confused for a moment (Mitsubishi in a VW video?), but forgot about brand rebadging.
@ Bacon Cat
The L300 was a genuine Mitsubishi, not a VW mock-off or rebadging at all, and no, you wouldn't have bought it for passenger safety issues.
Result is that today are no more vans with your feet in front of wheels and engine. I haven been in a 50km head on crash in a mercedes sprinter and walked away without a scratch. engine infront, legs and feet above the wheels engine seatbelt.
At 0:19, could anyone tell me which model VW that is?
@ Bacon Cat
this is a 1303 Cabrio (convertible) made by Karmann between 1972 and 1974 (at later models, 1975-1979, front indicators moved to the front), with European lights and bumpers (different from US version)
akronymus Would you happen to know why it has a Mitsubishi badge?
@ Bacon Cat
at 0:19 there is a Mitsubishi L300 in the picture and a green 1303 on the lane next to it ...
the L300 by the way had engine and gear-box underneath the front seat row, and also existed in 4x4 version (very popular as a camper)
VOLKSWAGEN 👍😍
This is 36km/h ... how will be the 64 km/h ? Sorry, my English is the worst )))
didn't even realised that van so strong
German Viktorovich only the VW
Much stronger than you can imagine. Please have a look:
www.vwsyncro.eu/p/blog-page_18.html
+HELLENIC VANAGON That is totally normal strength for a van on that site. Japanese newly designed vans too from the 90's are very strong, like the mitsubishi delica L400. ;)
But the T3 was clearly ahead in safety in 80's. But in mechanical strength it was then behind the Japanese, and I am afraid still is.
If they could get Germans to design the safety and japanese the reliability & serviceability, italians the usability and you would get an ultimate van. :)
You are right.
8:32 sounded like a cartoon.
VW Crash Tests, excellent. Diesel Emissions, not so excellent..
8:32 wow
8:52
Those older cars look stronger then modern cars
Ok I take it back just because they barely were smashed it caused a lot of harm to the dummy
保険会社がクラッシュテストを行なっていたとは、知らなかった。
8:38 ow
3:42 human face on the right lamp.
Then why was the Eurovan banned from USA in 90s?
They weren't banned.
They weren’t, the windows were.
The Eurovan just failed as you can see here:
www.vwsyncro.eu/p/from-vanagon-to.html
After the 1995 model year, VW of America shelved the Eurovan until 1999 due to poor sales.
Google for "chicken tax" I'm not joking...google that and you'll see the U.S. tariff on importation of specific types of vehicles ..and even is in place today to keep out lower price and better vans and light trucks from U.S. market
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