Is It Worth It To Buy An Ikoria Commander 2020 Deck? | Magic: The Gathering
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Kiora seems to be my go to during this fun quarentine.
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Party Jace or Ashiok, Dream Render. Oddly enough, I am a Mardu palyer.
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Yet another reason I love my LGS. Price I paid for my deck? $40. Price everyone paid for their deck? $40.
I preordered, but someone in front of me in line asking for the Timeless Wisdom precon? Yep, $40.
Absolutely love my LGS.
Yup, my LGS also keeps single price for all precons, and it's 40$ (approx, different currency, but it costs the same as last year). For preorders they gave out those arena codes they also give for preordering prerelease kits, and if someone buys all 5 they toss in mystery booster.
My LGS is scaling the prices, the better decks cost over sixty bucks :(
I dont buy from LGSs that sell current sealed product by market value. I dont play there, i dont support them. Especially when they charge market value when it is higher than retail price, but not when it is lower.
Jeez, where I live, even retail stores scalp the prices on sealed product. Buying a box costs about $120. It makes "always buy singles" even more true
i guess i am really lucky my LGS has a deal preorder all 5 and save 30+ dollars so basically one free
Great review. My local Game Store, Gamers Sanctuary of Flint Mi, is selling them for 39.99. Because they said it wouldn't be fair to sell them for more during the crisis. They are good people there.
that was my lgs during my semester abroad. great place, great people
my lgs has everything for 39.99 as well. Except the one with Fierce Guardianship (Timeless Wisdom). That one is 47.99... They know their player base I guess...
How is their stock and do they have a web presence. I'll order from a place like that that does right by it's customer base!
Just don't drink the tap water if you visit!
@@timme2108 mine has Timeless Widsom marked at $80 friggin bucks...80! Jesus. I remember getting a 60 card starter deck (albeit an absolute trash heap) for 10 bucks...10!......man have wizards gotten greedy...it's insane.
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"Curling is... inevitable."
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7:00 I'm surprised you didn't mention the complete lack of the new triomes that were not included as part of the manabase for these decks.
I have a very hard time understanding why they did this. Seriously, all these precons are in the wedge colors and set in Ikoria, but they didn't include the new Ikoria Triome lands. WTF, Wizards?
It’s particularly disgusting because you can tell they are trying to make them ridiculously expensive on purpose.
@@benjyskutch-freedman6839 It's so that they get to sell twice the amount of product this way.
Even more egregious that that they put the shitty ones from Khans instead. The triomes have a PERFECT home in commander, they can tap for all your decks colors, can be fetched early, and if drawn late can be cycled for another card. The fact that the jeskai one is missing from the cycling deck is worse since ALL the cycling lands are there except the respective triome.
Yeah, there's loads of little decisions that encourage you to both purchase the precons while also chasing singles and/or boxes from the main set. I can't say I expect differently, the development team is rewarded for teetering the line between established player satisfaction, new player encouragement and spread of sales for corporate. They've become incredibly nuanced and good at it whereas in the first examples of the product from the golden era, the design team came from a more 'one off' and 'unique', arguably more altruistic design perspective that facilitated decisions no longer possible considering the now established regularity, popularity and purpose of the product.
Just got back into magic, went to a local shop and they were selling these for $55-90... I was shocked and left the store without a pre-con, went to Target and found 4/5 at MSRP. It's a shame a customer has to leave their local shop and go to a big box store to find a pre-con they can afford.
Seriously...why don’t local shops just keep msrp? I like to support local stores but come on now.
@@_GandalfTheGrey_ It's because two of the cards are worth roughly 50 dollars so they'd be losing money selling it at msrp.
@@tristendodder6392 they aren't losing money because they bought them for less than msrp in the first place. they would make less money than they would by opening the pre-cons and selling everything seperately, but satisfying customers with good deals makes them come back. it's maximizing short term profit over customer satisfaction and that can ruin your profits in the long run.
Hi, future person here, that's the normal price now. Hearing that brand new commander precons used to be $35 almost gave me a heart attack.
Hot take
Every pre-con should come with an Amulet of Vigor because of all of the tapped lands.
I will die on this hill.
Honestly, yeah. If they are going to push the tap lands so much. And with 11 of the lands in the cycling deck being cycling lands that enter tapped (in addition to other tapped lands) it would have been very nice in that deck. But I guess that does swing the pacing of a precon VERY heavily due to a single card hitting the board early.
So I 👍 your hot take here.
Though the simpler answer will b of course good untapped multi-color lands instead of the usual ETB tapped, gain 1 life options. Maybe, as Prof suggested, the Battlebond duals or WotC could treat us even better & place the “enemy-color” versions here.
Granted, I did still find the general feel of land base much improved with more Odyssey, Zendikar & Amonkhet rare duals, “pain-lands” over the earlier years of Guildgates & other analogous tapped duals with not even 1 life thrown in. BUT another personal feel is that (invoking the Pleasant Kenobi in us) Hasbro/WotC are COWARDS for not just reprinting “fetch-lands”, Ravnica “shocks”, Shadowmoor/Eventide “filter-lands”, even Triomes into Commander decks. COWARDS! Cuz it ain’t burn them even fraction of penny more to print really good rare lands vs a dumpster tapped common.
& I do, die on this hill!
Yeah
You have my flag
Yes i aprove.
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Just a note: we should also be getting 2 more precon decks with Commander Legends, for a total of 9 this year
We're actually getting four more, two with Zendikar too, but those four are all new commanders/reprints, no other new cards.
Which is fine.
dear god.
Just keep in mind the smaller Commander releases are replacing Planeswalker decks so... keep expectations tempered.
@@TolarianCommunityCollege I remember back when Arcane Maelstrom was $35 dollars on Amazon. That was a day ago.
Wrong year to get back to mtg 🙄
Okay, the "free with commander" cycle really annoys me. Fierce Guardianship goes in *every* blue commander deck. Just all of them. Flawless Maneuver and Deadly Rollick are close too. I don't want wizards to print cards that go in every single commander deck.
I agree with this line of thought, maybe the cycle should have been the spell cost was reduced instead of free with the commander in play. The thing I fear is with this cycle being as powerful as it is, what's in Commander Legends (or whatever the commander "draft" set later this year is called.) that will make people buy boxes/crack packs when they can get guaranteed value in the Commander and Brawl precons?
I rather have these broken cards than a damn reprinted garbage rare
Well, the cycle itself feels like an auto-include in all the colors. The blue one is just that more powerful, card doing stuff for free is hard to pass.
And will they ever see an impactful reprint..? Probably never
@@BoredOCM yeah i have the same fear as well for commander legends and even other standard sets such as zendikar rising and core set 2021 (themed teferi, oh fml😒) the power creep only gets worse and potentially we would end up with possibly over half every commander deck running the same cards with minimal variance l, which would only be what the commander is it and basic strategy and the rest of the deck full of these new cards we have and will be getting later this year.
I agree. Only 2 of those decks should've been Ikoria themed.
One "monster" deck, probably Otrimi, and one "human" deck, probably Jirina Kudro.
That would have been fun.
I'd say that if this HAD to be this year's main commander precon release it could have been 3 with cycling since that has very little proper commander support, but even then cycling could have been relegated to a normal main release that had 1 or 2 of the new commanders be from Ikoria (maybe a 3rd boros colored in the 99) and only a splash of Ikoria cards and let the rest be different flavors (like from other planes that featured cycling heavily like Amonkhet, OH GOD they screwed an opportunity for a new Amonkhet commander, DAMMIT!)
Ya but one of the other themed of that set is monsters working with humans. My fav one but even wotc ignores it :(
I think that feeling of beeing way too similar would be washed out if wizards decides to release commander decks for each expansion. Yes, they would be similar within each other, but looking at the big picture, at the end of the year, we would end up with lots of new legends, from each new expansion and (hopefully) lots of reprints.
I would have been fine with the face card of each deck being from Ikoria but each deck having at least one commander that is clearly outside of Ikoria. Yes the theme was "Ikoria" but in previous sets each deck usually had at least one commander that was off theme.
I'm still mad that the plane with big monsters has no Naya influence/commanders
It IS a wedge plane, not a shard plane.
All the more fun to construct a deck yourself with whichever Commander you think would be best! :)
@@Charsiupao I was just hoping for more Naya options. Look at what is out there right now. Not a lot :/
@@OkWizard naya giants is quite fun, and crystalline giant is a fun gimiky card
there's plenty of stuff IN red green and white that works great in Naya. Quartzwood Crasher is a fantastic trample card and all the big Trample monsters now become much more threatening
I think the professor really hit the nail on the head with his explanation of why these decks feel the same. I've been saying since their reveal that tying them to the current plane, much as I love it, is far too redundant.
I would love to see them revisit the concept later on, perhaps focusing on the plane as the theme as opposed to the mechanics. Sitting down with an Ikoria deck across from Dominaria, Ravnica, and Innistrad sounds much more exciting.
Personally how I thought they should do them is make the commander decks a fourth-quarter product and then have the decks flavored around the sets that came out that year. That way you still get the renewed flavor of the sets that came out this year but also it can act as a sort of Time-capsule for the year. Maybe you add in one Commander deck that references older sets so there’s a chance that, if you don’t like the new sets, you might be more inclined to the older-themed deck
more thematic/flavour tied decks would be great, thats what made the 2017 ones so cool
I think having 5 decks is a problem too. If it was just a monster precon and a human they coukd had really kept the feel more contrasting. Almost like the old vs. Series
This is why these will perhaps be on the lower list of Precon Commander Decks. 2011, 2016 & 2017 are my top favs, with 2015, 2018, 2019 following them.
With these Precons, I personally only into Arcane Maelstrom, Symbiotic Swarm and maybe Ruthless Regiment. I'm sure I'll enjoy all of them, I love Commander and always grab each Deck (never know what may surprise you) but there is 100% a lack of excitement with these VS previous years, mostly due to the homogenized feel between them. Another is that I feel MTG itself is just bloated with too much product and having two HUGE pieces being thematically the exact same (imo) kinda wears out the welcome a bit faster.
Hell yeah, I've been waiting for this review!
Me to sponge block
Just got home with 2 of the new commander decks and was thinking
"I wonder if the Professor has uploaded a video on these yet"
Perfect timing! :D
Well? Do you regret your purchase?
SAME. I grabbed the Jeskai and the Temur one. Which ones did you get?
@@316malica Madru and Mutate
Same just picked up mine today and checked my subscription page
I walked home with all 5 tonight and I didn't even know there was a shortage
14:20
It just dawned on me an alternative marketing idea WotC could've done for Commander:
1 deck - Ikoria
1 deck - Throne of Eldraine
1 deck - Theros beyond death
1 deck - this year's zendikar
1 deck - mystery box???
That's a very cool idea. A celebration of the year
this would be soo much cooler
i really like this idea
That would result in cooler decks, but I think they want multiple decks with each set. The ability to choose your favorite is a definite motivator when buying these things.
I’m glad I bought the Jeskai one early. The prices have jumped up so much since then.
That counterspell really is the whole reason
@@Samst0n yep. Spent $50 on one just for the counterspell and I don't even care haha. It's the most powerful card I've ever seen.
Chase Alford that’s still a good price, since fierce is gonna win many games
@@Trivedi_Tuesdays Yeah, and it's Canadian, so it's like $35 American haha.
Siiiggggh. I hope I can get a Jeskai one for a reasonable price. I don’t even care that much about the counterspell, I just think it looks fun. Jeskai cares about spells and drawing cards? Sign me up!
Also, Commander Legends will have two Commander decks as well, so that's 9 this year. Damn.
I believe he included those in his "7 precons this year" statement. 5 from Ikoria and 2 from commander legends
Since when were there going to be commander decks with commander legends? I don't remember that from the announcement, and I watched it recently
@@skykur holy shit, you're right! It is 9.
Have to agree with the video, even though I got all five for 149.99 which is a great deal.
Slightly curled to perfection 👌🏻
"Financial value is not the purposes of this product, it's meant to be played with." Couldn't you say that about all Magic cards?
there are also alot of cards that are clearly targetet at collectors, like full art fetchlands for example. if you just want to play with fetches you can "just" get the basic ones, no need to pay a huge premium for no gameplay effect.
This is a product to help new player get into commander or help players on a budge hence the argument that financial value is not the purpose. Sure you can claim this for all magic cards, but I can point out the master set and collector edition that appeals mostly to collectors and people that are looking to invest in their collections. It wouldn't be fair to put a massive chunk of reprints in the commander decks as collectors would buy out the market for said reprints. I strongly believe this is why they came up with a draft set for commanders where they can adress the needed reprints *finders crossed*
Less so for premium foil singles, than for a deck where the entire product is meant to be playable by itself.
No, because magic is a TRADING card game.
@@ollo_yt Can't trade in Arena, so that's not entirely true.
I used to buy a full set at once. Now I can't afford to get even 1.
Not that I'd have anyone to play with anyway.
:-(
If you can cobble together some way to hang your phone over your table, you can use the phone as a webcam on your computer to stream your board. It's easy and while it's not ideal, it can be a lot of fun to play over Discord or whatnot.
@@FridgeEating Maybe I can give that a shot!
I'll play with you friend
Or you can play on xmage or cokatrice, it's completely free and you can play commander with your friends or strangers on the servers.
I got 3 at 36.99 an 2 for 41 not too bad
"My grade is for a couple of dollars above MSRP"
Do you mean the logical definition or the Secret Lair Ultimate Edition definition?
It's actually 9 precons this year. 5 with Ikoria, 2 with Zendikar, and 2 with Commander Legends.
They were up briefly for 34.99 each on Amazon last night. Had to grab them at that price. Good hunting everyone.
I got mine for $40NZD each, which is like $25 us each. Bought 2 sets.
Do I win?
They're back down to about $38 each last I checked, but they won't ship for a while.
i found all 5 of these for 144 dollars sold together. Its on amazon.
I still hope one day that we get a new Commander anthology, i want a reprint of the Edgar Markov deck :(
Redfoxe no commander anthology is way to expensive to be a meaningful reprint
I found that it blurred together for me a lot too. And having the commander previews as the same time as set previews all while having a 5th deck was overwhelming, and I completely forgot what cards even interested me just weeks ago. I've been so exhausted in general too in the midst of the pandemic. Ultimately I have so little interest in these commander decks compared to the previous ones by a whole lot.
They could print Commander decks with each Standard release, but if they do, they shouldn't do more than two per expansion. This will avoid planar fatigue/identity issues, but of course then the product would end up sharing/fighting for space with Duel Decks AND Planeswalker Decks at the same time.
I know, but just like Secret Lair is the new From the Vault and Mystery Boosters are the new Modern Masters, Challenger Decks are the new(ish) Duel Decks (for now).
Duel Decks was just a cleaner reference since they're meant to be played against one another. (Although since Commander decks should play well with all of Commander the same way Challenger decks should play well in Standard, there is more basis for comparison than I thought. Challenger decks just cater to different audiences than Commander decks, so they aren't actually clashing as much.)
I think that the free-if-you-have-your-commander spells were a mistake. It feels like an artificial way to put value into these decks, and I don’t like how they become instant must-plays.
Agreed, also the decks with bad versions feel like they’re considerably worse buys.
I didn't even wait. The second I saw the push notification I stopped what I was doing to watch this. @_@
Same
Same here
The fact that they are all on the same plane is actually my favorite part. I'm excited to see more of Ikoria and can't wait to see more from other planes. Hopefully they are still doing it be the time we get back to Tarkier.
These decks are great! Especially due to the fact that the store where I go to buy all my magic cards (my lgs is 30 mins drive away) had 20% off on magic cards so i got my deck for $48 aud (30 USD). Of course i chose the one with dinosaur cat tokens.
Be real, how many of these cards survive into your optimal iteration of the deck?
That's why we don't have these for other formats.
Exactly. I think I have bought 9 precons over the past 3 years since I got back into the game, and of all of those, there are only 2 commander decks I am playing that *originated* in the precons, not to mention that they only contain 8-10 cards from the precon tops.
I think from now on, I’m never buying a precon again (last thing I bought was the brawl decks for various reasons) but just the singles I think are cool/want to build around.
I hope they make decks like these from time to time again. I really like the Theme but also like, that they revisit all different planes during the precons all the other years. Im really in love with having so many Decks this year and getting all new commanders. Of course its this time more obvious that they have many perfect power up cards for this Decks in the main set to sell both, but i dont really mind. I just hope that they dont make to many broken cards like fierce guardianship. I dont really like the cards u almost have to play being expensive and hard to get...
I feel if they do set-themed commander precons again, it should be limited to 1-2 per-plane and have the normal set be like before with a wider range of deck themes and locals.
I'm not even mad at having more precons in a year. What I do hate is sets of 5 (due to expense) and having so many products at such high quantity so close to eachother for release. By limiting precons to 1-2 a set it becomes much more affordable to pick them up alongside cards/boosters/boxes/pre-release kits for said new set.
But i can understand that the colours make most cense in 5er groups ^^"
Hey Professor, I’m currently thinking of building a Nekusar commander deck and have some pieces of the deck. I was wondering if you could do a deck tech of recommendations for a Nekusar deck for both new and casual players. Also, keep up the good work with your videos
Forced fruition is one I'm wanting to slot in, psychic possession/teferis puzzle box allows you to get past the downside of puzzle box. A few ways to make everyone draw cards at instant speed (temple bell or there's a couple lands that do it as well) are handy both as political "I can help" tools and sneaking in extra damage when you need to.
I love my nekusar deck and I kept it relatively budget (only 10 cards in my deck broke $5 when i put it together, most were under $2) as a way of restricting power level, so it doesn't have to be budget but can still pack a punch when done right.
Mirrormade to copy your extra draw artifacts/enchantments and spark double to double up (pun intended) on nekusar's "drawan extra card"/"whenever an opponent draws a card" triggers should both be readily available as they are standard rares that I don't believe are seeing much play.
I would also recommend ramp that you can cash in for draws late game (mind stone/commander's sphere) since getting nekusar out early can help you draw into gas, but he's a huge lightning rod for removal (at least in my meta) but there are times when I've had a million mana and the extra card for my windfall effects would be nice. Something to consider is cost reducers. Goblin electromagnet rereducing your spells cost by 1 can "generate" more than a sol ring if you're casting multiple spells in a turn, if that makes sense
My current struggle is needing better fixing (due to my laughable mana base haha) and needing more creatures to handle my meta
Shawn Rupe thanks for the recommendations. A card I might put in is a thousand year storm with the amount of wheel effect spells I can copy. Maybe you should look into that as well
"The commander player with 12 decks"
I feel called out.
Thank you for doing this because I want to buy 2 of these Commander precon
I assume as more decks get into circulation, the value of the cards will drop closer to MSRP, but that's still a pretty decent value.
You have to take the reprint value for how much it cost before they announced it. Locus God was like 15 bucks so if they didn't print it again it would still be 15 right now.
Great point!
"Its a horrible cycle"
In reference to a card in a cycling deck.
YYYYYAAAAAAAAAASSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!
Glad to see Arcane Signet being reprinted here hope to see it continue with every PreCon.
Every year these get more expensive, and every year I'm less likely to buy one.
Totally agree I used to buy one every year but they are getting more expensive and less good
Good review. My LGS opened a few days ago, and with Ikoria today they were doing great business. They're only allowed four people in at once (small store) and there was a line to get in.
Hey man, having a hard days because of debts with all this thing about the virus...I enjoy the value videos so seeing the notification about this one made me have a good time, thanks, appreciate your work
I was lucky to order them over a month ago, so the average cost of each deck (including sales tax) was $36.73
I could and I didn't and now I can't find the cycling deck :(
i think more commander precons tied to sets are ok, you can just buy the ones you like
noone forces you to buy every precon
Same. They just need to do one or two per set and still make the major commander set completely separate form this idea
@@jamespooh2 yes, and they should print staples like teferis protection in more than one precon
they dont need to print it in every precon, but if they would reprint commandercards in every precon they fit in., they would not be that expensive
for example the human precon could have had a teferis protection and the abzanprecon a toxic deluge
Yeah i went to my local target just a minute ago and they had plenty of the new commander20 precons available. So big market retailers are the place to go instead of ordering online in my opinion.