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  • @OddBawZ
    @OddBawZ 2 ปีที่แล้ว +557

    Everyone asks how is StuG III but no one asks WHERE is StuG IV? :(

    • @jiewang6845
      @jiewang6845 2 ปีที่แล้ว +72

      Gaijin’s gonna add about 5 more top tier squadron vehicles before that comes

    • @Purpmaster
      @Purpmaster 2 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      I do :( Seems so silly it’s never been added! Lmao

    • @Infinity_Squad
      @Infinity_Squad 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Hey odd wassup

    • @Infinity_Squad
      @Infinity_Squad 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Btw WHY IS StuG lll?

    • @wobblewarfare4494
      @wobblewarfare4494 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      We do ask about the stug IV.

  • @ODST_Parker
    @ODST_Parker 2 ปีที่แล้ว +390

    One of the first model tanks I ever got as a kid was the StuG III G. Had no idea what it was at the time, and I probably just thought it was funny that tanks existed without turrets.

    • @JannyBesmircher
      @JannyBesmircher 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Its not a tank

    • @TDP8837
      @TDP8837 2 ปีที่แล้ว +52

      @@JannyBesmircher It is, if a tracked vehicle is fully enclosed and well armoured, it’s a tank

    • @JannyBesmircher
      @JannyBesmircher 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@TDP8837 Not true lmao

    • @katyusha1283
      @katyusha1283 2 ปีที่แล้ว +24

      @@JannyBesmircher Look up definition of tank.

    • @ODST_Parker
      @ODST_Parker 2 ปีที่แล้ว +24

      @@JannyBesmircher It's a tracked armored combat vehicle, you understood what I meant. Tank destroyer, assault gun, self-propelled gun, whatever.

  • @ukzevkiiitonen
    @ukzevkiiitonen 2 ปีที่แล้ว +110

    Getting a Finnish Stug III in the Swedish techtree would be so cool.

    • @The_Hungarian_T-55
      @The_Hungarian_T-55 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Yes a stug 3 for Sweden/Finland would make 3.0 Sweden some what "fun" to play

  • @VivyX2
    @VivyX2 2 ปีที่แล้ว +57

    the stug 3 f is actually one of the best tank destroyers for germany relative to br, if u get a proper bush camoflauge setup for it can become almost invisble. and after that ur 75mm will do the rest

  • @rudatkatzn9171
    @rudatkatzn9171 2 ปีที่แล้ว +93

    The StuG III is my Favorite. When I was a child, my father once brought me a Model Kit from Plastic Soldier, containing 3 StuGs, with the possibility to replace the 7,5cm Guns with the 10,5cm Howitzers. I used them in the Tabletop Strategy Game Behind Omaha. Was certainly fun.
    Must add tho, my Total favorite Tank is the Neubaufahrzeug.

    • @maxparsons6605
      @maxparsons6605 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      I have old kits from when my dad was a kid so at least 40 year old air fix models
      I have 2 king tigers, 1 Ferdinand, 3 panthers, 1 tiger 1 ,3 stugs, a jagdpanther, a jagdpanzer 4/70, 3 panzer 4s, 4 panzer 3s, a pair of puma sdkfz 234s ( a 234/2 and 234/4 ), sdkfz 221 scout car, 2 sdkfz 251 half tracks, a brummbar 15cm spg, and 3 flak 88s with sdkfz/6 medium half tracks and 4 pak 40s and opel blitz trucks, a neubelwerfer and out of scale model of bismark and prinz eugen and junkers 87, a Messerschmitt 110 and 109
      I have too many
      Most are from my dad and uncle from the 80s
      They’re all painted and I have to many troops
      But they’re all German

    • @insertcringe2220
      @insertcringe2220 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Oh, a fellow behind Omaha player XD

    • @rudatkatzn9171
      @rudatkatzn9171 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@insertcringe2220 Yep, my father even was friends with some of it's developers if I remember correctly

    • @rudatkatzn9171
      @rudatkatzn9171 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@maxparsons6605 I got tons too, although mostly from Dragon or Revell. I got Panthers (2 G Variants and an Ersatz M10), two King Tigers, a Maus, an E-100, an What-if-scenario E-100 V1 Carrier, an E-75, a Jagdtiger, a Sdkfz. 222, a Sdkfz. 251 (with 3,7cm PaK 36), a Panzer 38 (t), a Panzer III E, a Panzer IV F(2), a Tiger I E, a Me 262 A-1a, a Me 262 A-2a, a Horten H IX, a Nashorn, a Marder II, a Wespe, a Sdkfz 232/2 Puma, a Sdkfz 234/3, a Jagdpanzer IV L/48, a Bismarck (Revell, 1:700 I think) and probably some more which I do not remember rn. Although most aren't painted yet, in case of the planes and the E-75 and the E-100 V1 Carrier not even built. I first gotta do the Paintjob of the planes insides, the Horten is a pain in the ass there.

  • @TomPrickVixen
    @TomPrickVixen 2 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    U guys still owe us with the StuG IV! And don't "cut corners" this time: We want the late model with the added armor, sides-kirts, "pighead" gun mantelet, and steel rollers!

  • @allencolevelasco6223
    @allencolevelasco6223 2 ปีที่แล้ว +88

    Good armor for it's br, great gun, decent speed and most of all the cheeky low profile. A nightmare of t34's and a nemesis of shermans especially at long ranges

    • @Il_Principessa
      @Il_Principessa 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      But have trash back armor and have no turret cause it's easy to kill one just shot the track and then kill it

    • @balthasargelt4075
      @balthasargelt4075 2 ปีที่แล้ว +27

      @@Il_Principessa so many tanks have that.. not really special...

    • @thespicywolf8818
      @thespicywolf8818 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Chunky boi

    • @quocvinhnguyen2063
      @quocvinhnguyen2063 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@Il_Principessa so just like any other turret-less tank?

    • @nicholasotto3282
      @nicholasotto3282 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Good ammo selection

  • @kipanz6649
    @kipanz6649 2 ปีที่แล้ว +35

    My favorite model is the Stuh, I have all camos.. all modifications unlocked.. hella fun to play

    • @AlbanianEmir
      @AlbanianEmir 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      80 mm armor at 3.0 💀💀

  • @DogtaInc
    @DogtaInc 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    We all need a StuG in our lives. I wish you guys add a lot more variants of it, like soviet captured StuGs, or variants with Saukopf.

  • @ChadTanker
    @ChadTanker 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    MY favourite StuG is the one that has a balanced map underneath its tracks an non-open spawns to get sniped after 3 secs

    • @TheEpicNoob
      @TheEpicNoob 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      What about the maps that spawn you in a box with 1 exit that is easily camped?

  • @matthewyang7893
    @matthewyang7893 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The real steel behind the Wehrmacht. Tanks like this and the Panzer 4 it was based on were in production for the majority, if not the entirety of the war and were far more efficient than their well-known relatives.

  • @Purpmaster
    @Purpmaster 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    My favorite model? The Stug IV…

  • @SiripongPattananititorn
    @SiripongPattananititorn 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    "THIS IS A S T U G"
    "IT'S S T U G S"

  • @KeybladeMaster9913
    @KeybladeMaster9913 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Still waiting on the StuG IV to be added. It's been LOOOOOOOOONG overdue

  • @ZIP-STärke_Sir
    @ZIP-STärke_Sir 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Ah the sneaky StuG

  • @cvjlmaker9890
    @cvjlmaker9890 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    StuH 42 is my favorite, ot really rounds out my 3.0 geman lineup

  • @SpanishAvenger
    @SpanishAvenger 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I am not much of a low tier player, but StuG III G is one of my favourite vehicles to play!

  • @kipanz6649
    @kipanz6649 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    By far my favorite tank, thx for making this

  • @lafrasbecker6096
    @lafrasbecker6096 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    It was Hanz Guderian that proposed the idea of a armoured self propelled gun with a infantry support gun and a other variant with a anti tank gun.

  • @wobblewarfare4494
    @wobblewarfare4494 2 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    I’ve been wondering if you were going to ever add the stug IV like it was originally proposed when you first added Germany to the tech trees

    • @frostedbutts4340
      @frostedbutts4340 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      I mean we finally got the Elephant 8 years later so it's possible lol

  • @justanotherbob1621
    @justanotherbob1621 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    The StuG IV is my favorite...soooo...StuG IV WHEN?!?!?!

  • @pseipp
    @pseipp 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    0:10
    "the thick armoured Fernidands"
    What did you just say?!
    FERNIDANDS?!!

  • @volatile5460
    @volatile5460 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The StuG III A has some of my fondest memories

  • @EmilyChaosDrivr
    @EmilyChaosDrivr 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I really like the stug III a. The short gun makes it fair for the type of armour you find on that rank.

  • @serhatyuksel8167
    @serhatyuksel8167 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I asked if you could solve the binoculars problem and you did! Thanks a lot!

  • @The-Ink-Dragon97
    @The-Ink-Dragon97 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Model D is my fav!

  • @ThePenguinHere
    @ThePenguinHere 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    You didn’t choose the StuG life the StuG life chose you

  • @terrynewsome6698
    @terrynewsome6698 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Some where used by Syria in the battle of the Golan heights in 1967.

  • @imtiredtiredtired
    @imtiredtiredtired 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    My favorite WW2 era German vehicle.
    It's low profile enough to be sneaky, decent frontal armor, and pretty nimble too.
    Tank engagements are mostly won by whoever sees the enemy first, so i despise the oversized famous German cats because most of the time the enemy will see you first. They're so fat it's hard to hide.
    With the StuG you have the confidence that most of the time, you'll see the enemy first.

  • @N0v4.fr05t.
    @N0v4.fr05t. ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This is a stug it stugs.

  • @hamstersrcmodels7552
    @hamstersrcmodels7552 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Please, as StuG IV, it's a nice tank!

  • @johanalitalo8331
    @johanalitalo8331 2 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    Ahh the stug, probably germanys most useful spg during ww2 and my favorite tank. Nice to see a video about it in the channel. Hope to see moore videos of spg,s. Feels like they are overshadowed by tanks with turrets.

  • @Ezra411st
    @Ezra411st 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    The first time I saw a stug was on a video that was showing tank types and thought what was going through their head at that time,
    The stug III g is my favorite out of them

  • @Ausf.D.A.K.
    @Ausf.D.A.K. 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Please introduce the StuG III G Saukopf model !

  • @uku4171
    @uku4171 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Started using the StuG III an hour before this video came out.

  • @Patex58
    @Patex58 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    the stug III G is the best stug imo, because I've gotten a few 12+ kill games with it and the armor feels really good and gun can kill almost anything at 4.0

  • @badassoscar9473
    @badassoscar9473 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    StuG IV when???

  • @QuackAttack
    @QuackAttack 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I visited a museum in Overloon, Netherlands yesterday and saw a StuG III G 😯

  • @hardcor_ger2983
    @hardcor_ger2983 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Where is the Saukopfblende for StuG 3 G and where ist the StuG IV?

    • @germony5956
      @germony5956 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Imagine they add it but in a battle pass like the Elefant

  • @hokagotanktime5551
    @hokagotanktime5551 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Please add the stug IV would be a great addition

  • @blazeiscrazy8737
    @blazeiscrazy8737 ปีที่แล้ว

    It'd be cool to have a Sturmgeschutz model featuring the cast mantlet and an option to take off the sideskirts

  • @dis_honerable98xd25
    @dis_honerable98xd25 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I'm still waiting for the stug IV

  • @historyZZ
    @historyZZ 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I've bounced 11 shells using thr stug 3. SEVEN of them bounced after both of my tracks were gone.

    • @revolver265
      @revolver265 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yep. It'll bounce, and provided you can tell when you're about to take a shot, you can angle the tank slightly to give the enemy a really tough time.

  • @NOOBSLAYER-cw3gd
    @NOOBSLAYER-cw3gd 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    if you're gonna add copy paste TT vehicles for the battle pass, better add the Stug IV, which was just a Stug on a panzer 4 chassis and had an MG on the commander cupola

    • @K_Balu
      @K_Balu 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      StuG III also had cupola MGs, for some reason its not in WT

    • @edinonjunio
      @edinonjunio 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@K_Balu Also the saukopf mantlet that is still missing

  • @typhoon_8086
    @typhoon_8086 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Yes, where is the Stug 4? Its one of the my favorite tanks and was I looking forward to playing it

  • @The_Hungarian_T-55
    @The_Hungarian_T-55 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Yes... My favorite subject 😀

  • @ydk1k253
    @ydk1k253 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    What beautiful looking tanks

  • @emperororca9479
    @emperororca9479 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The STUG is Awesome. i have many hours of time on the STUG-3G

  • @c1arietepso432
    @c1arietepso432 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    StuG III G is my favorite vehicle especially the Italian StuG III G :) (although theres pretty much no difference between the german and italian one) Its my favorite probably because of the powerful cannon it has, the low profile and because it was deployed even in Finland during the Continuation war.
    Absolutely one of the best vehicles in my mind.

  • @Hetzer-Hetzering
    @Hetzer-Hetzering 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I remeber when i got Amercom Stuh 42 on my 13 birthday. 6 years later he is still ther on my shelf.

  • @liams8454
    @liams8454 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The StuG III is cool and all but WHEN WILL WE GET THE StuG IV!

  • @kabe2337
    @kabe2337 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    could you add Finnish camoulfage to the in game stug III G?

  • @aliph9370
    @aliph9370 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    StuH 42G always be my favorite

  • @Markty07
    @Markty07 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I like the StuH 42 G because it lets me overpressure rat vehicles while also being fairly armored :3

  • @Bathi_wt
    @Bathi_wt 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Gaijin pls add the bombs Grand slam and Tallboy Bombs we're so done being only scared to the PE-8 we want bigger bombs and you must treat the Lancaster properly since it could carry much higher bomb load than any other bomber in ww2 .

  • @M60A3
    @M60A3 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Give a bad feeling when you see it’s gun pointed at you in game

  • @sirmrmcjack2167
    @sirmrmcjack2167 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    the stug 3 g is my favourite tank to play for fun in war thunder. sadly playing more modern tanks ends in one of two ways normally: you don't see any enemy players or you don't get a single kill

    • @okipullup2769
      @okipullup2769 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      sounds like a skill issue. may i ask which tanks you got unlocked on high tier, and also what your player level is?

    • @sirmrmcjack2167
      @sirmrmcjack2167 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@okipullup2769 no clue what my player level is, I'm just a casual player. I played at 9.something with a test drive I got from the last battlepass and I remember it being no fun at all. So I stick to 6.7 and below where it is fun for someone like me who spends less than 4 hours a week in game

    • @okipullup2769
      @okipullup2769 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@sirmrmcjack2167 you wanna play some?

  • @insertcringe2220
    @insertcringe2220 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Tell that narrator, that his pronunciation of German words is quite impressive. Of course, not perfect, but still really good. My respect, greetings from Germany ^^

    • @sevenbutcher5729
      @sevenbutcher5729 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Tell yourself and your countrymen to learn english!

  • @ryanjohn6690
    @ryanjohn6690 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Love this series

  • @Codq239
    @Codq239 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Funny how he said "The thick armoured fernidands" instead of ferdinands, but great video

  • @jacky9590
    @jacky9590 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    My favorite Stug is the StuG IV, bruh. Add it.

  • @biotasticmann
    @biotasticmann 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    StuG IV when?

  • @shadowdome102
    @shadowdome102 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Day 6:
    Dear War Thunder Developers,
    When would Submarine from the second world war make their way into this game?
    I would really love to see a balo or gato class in the game and swim around while trying to stay undetected.
    Sincerely,
    ShadowDome102

  • @lior_theboom
    @lior_theboom 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Stug iv when?

  • @birbfromnotcanada
    @birbfromnotcanada 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The STuH is epic

  • @wildan494
    @wildan494 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    That's a really simple title i've ever seen 🗿

  • @infolover_68
    @infolover_68 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Can you tell us more about this tank destroyer capabilities?

  • @yukikaze7903
    @yukikaze7903 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I like the F8 type the best among the III assault guns!

  • @kazmahamza3115
    @kazmahamza3115 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Love this kind of videos

  • @sleepyrasta420
    @sleepyrasta420 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Can you maybe add the Panavia Tornado at some point to the game it was used by 3 countries that are in the game and It's also my favourite aircraft.

  • @jeffadams9807
    @jeffadams9807 ปีที่แล้ว

    My Favorite Tank : STUG 3-G...
    With Michel Wittman As It's Commander...

  • @やごころ
    @やごころ 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I want to see Stug III with a characteristic shield!
    Please implement it because it is an operation and a request.
    My favorite StuG III!

  • @jhibbert6627
    @jhibbert6627 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I didn’t choose the stug life..
    The stug life chose me.

  • @masoncarroll1684
    @masoncarroll1684 2 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    What happened to the old narrator

    • @Arthur_Neves
      @Arthur_Neves 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      He said that some br changes must be done

    • @lior_theboom
      @lior_theboom 2 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      He was in Russian propoganda videos

    • @kdh6210
      @kdh6210 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      He knew victoria’s secret

    • @NOOBSLAYER-cw3gd
      @NOOBSLAYER-cw3gd 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      he found out Obama's last name

    • @TheGrace020
      @TheGrace020 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      HE DID A WHOOPSIE (Russian propagandist)

  • @jakovnaskovski2171
    @jakovnaskovski2171 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Finally my favourite tank

  • @ASCT135AC
    @ASCT135AC 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    My favorite tank. Marvellous

  • @StarProcyon
    @StarProcyon 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Im currently grinding the soviet tree after raging out from germans (fix br cold war allies dont go well with tiger h)
    With t34 its accually hard to kill a stug from the front but if i get lucky and hit the cupola it feels so good

  • @yuanxinwang8219
    @yuanxinwang8219 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    My top favorite tanks of all time are the stug III and the leopard 2

  • @Geniusinventor
    @Geniusinventor 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Can you please do a Video on Hetzer next. 😃

  • @eliasalvessouza4607
    @eliasalvessouza4607 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I love the stgug III thank you for the good video. And please give us a dozer Blade on the Sherman

  • @rokdolenec1943
    @rokdolenec1943 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    where Stug4??

  • @haody3494
    @haody3494 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    StuG’s are underrated.

  • @patrikcarga
    @patrikcarga 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Probadly my favourite in game SPG is Stug 42G, if not overall

  • @rankovasek1987
    @rankovasek1987 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    StuG IV where

  • @alexandarvoncarsteinzarovi3723
    @alexandarvoncarsteinzarovi3723 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Stug III G is the Simo Hayha of tanks

  • @andreascosta5781
    @andreascosta5781 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Cool

  • @irishkiwi477
    @irishkiwi477 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    It's a little bit of a shame that you left out the variant with a remote mg 34, it would help a lot in wt

  • @randomexcessmemories4452
    @randomexcessmemories4452 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Syria used them into the 1960s against Israel during the Six-Day War, and they modified theirs with extra armor and even roof-mounted Breda-SAFAT 12.7mm machine guns stripped from airplanes. I've suggested this vehicle on the forums as a possible German premium!

  • @amrilbayrookie1768
    @amrilbayrookie1768 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Can you make climbing the ranks remastered. Because of the new vehicles and updates. And use the original voice actor you know the old one.

  • @GmMike2008
    @GmMike2008 ปีที่แล้ว

    My favourite model is StuG III G

  • @techd7387
    @techd7387 ปีที่แล้ว

    stug 42g is the best. the armour and gun at its br are awsome

  • @germony5956
    @germony5956 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    When Stug IV ???

  • @IM_THE_CHANGLLER
    @IM_THE_CHANGLLER 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I like how the stug a can kill any tank at 4.0 and 5.0 with skill and luck

    • @eironn__
      @eironn__ 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      same but in top tier huh

    • @GustSergeant
      @GustSergeant 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      This applies to any tank fighting beyond its own BR, of course the curve for skill and luck sharply rises...

  • @MSNvet
    @MSNvet 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    StuG A, love

  • @koltondavis5975
    @koltondavis5975 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    When will war thunder add the Stug III with the long barrel Pak 42?

  • @spinosaurusiii7027
    @spinosaurusiii7027 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Sonderkraftfahrzeug 142/2 10,5 Zentimeter leichte Feldhaubitze 18 Modernisiert auf Sonderkraftfahrzeug 141 Panzerkampfwagen III Ausführung E Selbstfahrlafette
    "Sturmhaubitze 42" Ausführung G my beloved

  • @charlesclay5170
    @charlesclay5170 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    what happened to the main voice over guy?

  • @lucadonskoi5049
    @lucadonskoi5049 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I hate it when i can't get armor skirts off the stug III g because i would like it more whitout them

  • @oakgaminglive8545
    @oakgaminglive8545 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    im about to play it

  • @leo_leo6345
    @leo_leo6345 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    What's a about the StuG IV late production?