Grand Orgue Vs Hauptwerk Bach Dorian Toccata
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 25 ก.ย. 2021
- This is a video comparing Grand Orgue with Hauptwerk.
GO is free open source software. This HW version is a 14 day trial. I am using the same Piotr Gabrowski instrument from Giubiasco operated through mu Johannus Studio 170.
I have found both softwares very impressive, although the set up with GO was probably a little more complicated. HW seem to recognise all MIDI instructions straight away.
I will try to record the whole of the Bach in another video.
I am using a;
Dell 3080 Optiplex Micro form computer
Yamaha AG03 Mixer
Mackie CR5 - XBT Monitors
Johannus Studio 170
Sound recorded in Logic Pro
#grandorgue, #hauptwerk, #VPO, #virtualpipeorgan, #Bach - ภาพยนตร์และแอนิเมชัน
Thanks a bunch Peter...perfect tempo! I use both HW and GO. Speaking as a commercial CD finalizer, GO audio wins by more than a mile by my ear. The price is particularly good, and in retrospect, the money I spent on HW will be a write-off. HW modifies the audio samples, removes chiffs and isn't as earthy as real-life pipe organs sound in person. That's not refinement, it's alteration, and for me is unacceptable. I'm slowly moving to GO on Linux, where its performance is far superior....Hey keep playing, I enjoy your posts!
Many thanks Bob, that is much appreciated. It’s great that both these softwares are out there. It’s so great to be able to practise at home as well as experiment with the different sample sets.
It's a subtle difference, but the Hauptwerk sounds a little softer. I've always been curious about this. Thank you for making a comparison and making it available to us!
Thank you I think, whilst Grand Orgue does a good job, I think Hauptwerk is just more refined. But I guess that’s part of what you pay for. Could be interesting to do this on more sample sets I guess too.
Is no soft, just have more low diapason/sound than grand-orgue
I have both HW (4.2) and GO set up on my DIY virtual pipe organ and use the Giubiasco sample set with both of them. To me, on my home set up, where I generally use speakers, I think they sound pretty much the same. They were both fairly easy to set up and use. I have to fiddle around to get the organ console showing all the stops on my touch screen monitor on GO, but it doesn't take long, and, best of all, it was free. I haven't felt the need to upgrade to HW 6, at least not until I get a new computer with more RAM. I was living in Italy and knew Mascioni and it was I who emailed Piotr Grabowski and asked him to come from Poland and sample Mascioni organs. My wife and I were there when he sampled Azzio. Having played the actual organs, and recorded both of them live, my direct recordings from HW and GO are better, because of the equipment that Piotr used and the fact that he recorded at night, to minimize ambient noise. I hope everyone who downloads his "free" organs have sent him some money, because his recordings were "labors of love." I have recently read there is a newer version of GO, I wonder if it is significantly better and would be interested in finding out.
Thanks John, that must have been a great to be living in Italy, those Mascioni instruments sound great. Piotr has done some wonderful work with sampling these instruments. Agree with ensuring to donate or at least buy other sample sets that he has done. The beauty with GO is exactly that it is free. I am using HW 6 now and yes I had to upgrade the ram on my computer. Definitely worth considering. I love the fact that these VPO options are available though it’s great being able to practise at home.
I'm having trouble setting up my Gran Rogue on my Yamaha keyboard. I can hear it the stops being pulled and I can hear the notes when I press the keys on the computer. But it does not play when I press the keys on the keyboard. Anyone with any suggestions?
Hi Anthony, have you tried hovering your mouse over the organ manuals on the screen, then right clicking, it should give you an option to set up your midi keyboard. It will ask you to play some keys (probably highest then lowest) and then click on OK.
I never knew about Grand Orgue program. G.O sounds better than H.W (at least to me). They sound different because of the way they record it?
Both were recorded the same way. Basically an output from a usb mixer. Settings on both programmes were the same. Only difference was in GO I didn’t load the blower and stop noises as my computer seemed to struggle with everything loaded. Hauptwerk does seem to try to always produce its best sound but in terms of output of the instrument itself. It’s very similar. A few people have said they prefer GO.
Thanks Peter! Btw, what's the difference between RAM taking up of HW & GO when running the same sample set?
Thanks Andrew. Not entirely sure. I think GO probably uses less RAM than hauptwerk although some of the sample sets themselves are quite demanding on RAM. This sample set is one of Piotr Grabowski’s free ones and is not too bad. My computer was only running on 8GB then and it was fine. I’ve since had to upgrade to 32gb as it glitched quite a bit later on. I don’t load very big sample sets. Partly cause my console isn’t big enough and I prefer to register directly from the instrument.
I have to disagree with the comments so far. I preferred Hauptwerk. I put on my AKG K701 headphones, listened to both then went back to the HW recording to double check. HW produces such a smooth, rounded sound that sounds just like a real organ but GO had basically the same sound but superimposed with a kind of rasping harshness that stands out from the very first notes and continues throughout. It is almost as if a reed stop has been added to the registration.
Thanks Tony. That doesn’t suprise me now, I have gone the HW route as it’s just worked for me a lot better, much more intuitive in my opinion. I was hearing them both at a very basic level through monitors. On this sample set the sound was brighter, but not necessarily “nicer”. I agree with your comments about smoother rounded sounds on HW. I think GO does well considering it’s free. But then I haven’t really gone into it with a lot of depth. But I am enjoying HW and have had no problems with it.
@@peterstapleton9596 Maybe I should declare an interest. I do have an HW set up at home and know nothing about GO. HW processes samples in parts. There is the starting transient and then the continuous part of the tone is recorded in at least two and possibly three ways. That way they can differentiate between short notes which have an echo and longer notes that have a sustained reverb. Also, when the note is looped if held on for a long time it is looped from different start and end points so as not to introduce any modulations that are artefacts of the sampling.
It is worth getting the best sound system you can afford, including the sound module, because HW can stand it. I thought Version 2 was good but they have managed to make tiny sound improvements with each revision.
GO does seem quite popular so it can't be all bad!
@@T0NYD1CK yep. Totally agree with that. Since I did this video I’ve really enjoyed HW and I can see much scope for tinkering and upgrading as well as the temptation of the many sample sets available. My computer is very average, although I’ve had to upgrade the RAM but I didn’t initially think it was good enough for HW. So I tried GO, the free trial of HW was also great because it was long enough to truly test it before committing. But it’s good to know GO is there and yes, it doesn’t seem all bad at all to me. Thanks for your comments. It’s wonderful how HW and all these other VPO softwares have enabled organists to practise at home.
Your playing is excellent 👍. Thanks for the side-by-side. I dabble with an older, free version of Hauptwerk but it limits the amount of data you can load into RAM so I have to turn off multi-sampling in the settings for larger sample sets, and sometimes whole ranks which is a disappointment. I may try Grand Orgue before shelling out the bucks for HW
Many thanks indeed, that is very kind. I probably should have spent more time with Grand Orgue if honest, i just felt the experience of setting up instruments with HW was easier. I did end up having to upgrade the RAM on my computer too. I probably wont use anything more than moderate size 2 manual instruments though, as that suits my console. I use the lite version of HW, not the full package.
@@peterstapleton9596 I really like HW. The discontinued free one only allows 1.5 gigs of memory to be loaded regardless of how much you have, so I will need to upgrade HW to take full advantage of the bigger sets. Thanks again. I wish I could play like you but I'm a keyboardist who happens to love pipe organs 😂
I love that we are able to play these organs through this kind of software. Keep playing, the pipe organ is an amazing instrument.
@@peterstapleton9596 it really is. My father was an organist and I often wonder how he would have reacted if he had access to something like this! Happy new year and many blessings to you👍
@@pieceworkstudios I must admit I never thought I’d have an organ of my own at home, let alone something that sounds as good as what these softwares give us. Happy New Year to you too.
I found Grand Orgue slightly sloppy in response..... Maybe it's just my computer... Did you have problems with key delay? Many thanks!
Hi William, funnily enough yes, now you mention it. But then I also did at first with Hauptwerk. Not significant almost typical for an electric action organ with the pipes being a little distant from the console. But this improved when I had to upgrade the memory. It’s not bad now I feel.
I like the GO better here! But isn't it hell trying to solve problems on it -- it's free ergo no tech support?
Using any such program I'd turn all noises off and see how little reverb will work.
Yeah it’s interesting , I think the difference really is between troubleshooting and support. The noises for me are a little bit of a gimmick but I get how it adds to the experience.
@@peterstapleton9596 So is the support lousy? A friend of mine says half the few answers he gets are wrong.
I'm sure Cavaille-Coll, Merklin et al would have given anything to mute the mechanical noises, and would be greatly amused to see them curated today ;)
Did you write a series of articles on playing Bach in the Diapason years ago? I didn't happen to read any, but thought your name was a perfect Anglo-Saxonism.
Who cares about the comparison? The performance was great. This music must be the most exciting of all.
Thank you Georgio that means a lot. Much appreciated.
Peter, your biggest issue with Hauptwerk is CUSTOMER SERVICE, it is HORRIBLE!! But, of course your playing is EXCELLENT
Grand Orgue sounds better to me
Thank you, I was surprised on just how similar the sounds are, HW seems more intuitive, although I had spent some considerable time already on GO, which may have helped setting up the latter.
My judgment: GO is naturally boring as it is with electronic sound. HW enhances the attacks very slightlly. Result: if I endure 60' practice on GO, I would probably endure 70' on HW (maybe not...). 10' for the price is very expensive. I dont like my pedal-harmonium, but at least I can practice 3 hours, which is the deal with practice. Thanks for the comparison!!!
Hauptwerk has already killed off the lite option and only has a subscription and a mega $550+ US edition. What a crazy move by them.
The main thing people should realize is that Hauptwerk is an immensely deep program and there's more community around it. If you can afford it, get it.
The reverb and mixing options in particular as well as the customization capability of hauptwerk (without writing code) are probably better, whereas, if you are a software developer you can probably make Grande Orgue do EXACTLY what you want by modifying it yourself.
Thanks Warren, I hadn’t realised there was no lite version of HW now, although I knew version VII had arrived. I’m content with where I am for the time being anyway. There is still a lot I haven’t explored.
You don't have to be a software developer. GO is highly programmable using simple text commands. And you can customise everything.
It's about the same
You need a metronome -- you kept getting faster and faster.