Sportster S vs VMAX, Z900RS, Softail Slim and Triumph Trident
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The comparison of these bikes makes no sense whatsoever - pricing - engine size - intended market just don't even come remotely close. I'm going to compare a Honda Civic , a Ferrari , and a Mustang and a Mercedes C Class - that would make as much sense.
Before even watching Vmax is king and fastest in this group. And i have no idea why ur comparing it with these other bikes. Its like comparing a hellcat to a regular mustang gt.
27mpg?? That's terrible!
@@redrick1821 Its a 200 HP muscle bike. What do you expect? Would the gas mileage of a Dodge Hellcat stop you from owning it? I think not.
ANY Harley versus a VMax!?!? ROFL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I paid $16,500 OTD with a 5 year warranty for my 2018 VMax. At the end of the day, people buy motorcycles because they are fun to ride. ***NOTHING*** beats a VMax!!! I have had many new bikes in my years including a Hayabusa, M109R, Interceptor and a couple Harleys. At the end of the day, the Harleys gave me the most, if not all, problems. They were the most expensive, worst performing, unreliable and SLOW!
As I said, I paid $16,500 OTS for my VMax, which is significantly better than what the MSRP is. You can deal on most motorcycles EXCEPT Harleys. The VMax is probably the best bike I ever owned except for my Hayabusa. I never had any trouble with either one of them and Yamaha is rated #1 in fewest reported problems.
I would NEVER EVER buy another HD. They are a great clothing company that sells lousy motorcycles.
I've always been a Maniac for the V MAX
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I always wanted the V Max. And they stop making them now 🙄
They're still available to buy new in the US, but yeah, no luck for the rest of the world I'm afraid.
Yamaha Vmax 27000cc Gen3 coming. 290bhp.
VMAX 0-60 recorded at 2.5 to 2.6 sec actually in the real world
For a VMAX comparison there are only 3 comparable bikes in the same class: the Yamaha VMAX, the Triumph Rocket 3, and the Ducati Diavel.
I sold a Ducati Supersport S for a Z900rs and the Z900rs feels like a rocket ship to 60mph, absolutely love it, love the comfort, look, speed and power, it’s definitely a keeper.
really the z900rs is faster than the ducati?
@@nickbazan27 on the road. It’s much more flexible and easier to ride fast.
@@nickbazan27It’s probably just a better ride on the street.
I have a Sportster S and 2019 Hayabusa. Yeah the Busa is faster with more power but the Sportster S is funner to ride and a better daily on the street.
The super serious German motorbike magazine Motorrad tested the VMax 1700 0-100kph (~ 0-60 mph) 2.7s
I never tested that with mine because to me it is irelevant.
After 20.000km (14.000 mls) my average consumption on the VMax is a bit less than 7l/100km, Maybe around 35 mpg (rough estimation on the conversion).
My favorite bike after more than 40 years on bikes is the VMax. Even the Gen 1 VMax was an exquisite and heavily underrated and misunderstood bike, but the Gen 2 (1700 cc) is on a totally different level.
Hard to imagine that someone who got used to that way of riding will ever step back to a "normal" bike.
The pure figures tell not even half the story of the sensation of riding a VMax.
Too bad it is dicontinued since 2020.
Thanks for the 0 - 60 data and for the owner feedback, I find this all very useful and valuable. I don't have any doubt someone could do a 2.7 second 0 - 60 run on the VMax. That's what I was expecting to find to be honest. But as much as I tried I couldn't find a source I could quote, so I had to play it safe. If I can find that Motorrad article I'll confirm and lock in that that time for future records. 👍 Thank you.
Well after watching all 4 of those videos I would say that the new sportster is a pretty good all round bike as far as it's specs. Can't wait to see more performance based models like their xr and cafe racer concept
Well as a former V Max owner, everything you said there looks spot on. If that bike had a 6th gear I would still have it.
Have a open XJR 1200 with 5 gears. Tons of torque. What should be the 6. gear good for ? Don`t miss it. Also have RD 250 LC and R1. They both have 6 gears for good reason.
@@heikopanzlaff3789 They also have a chain so you can alter the gear ratio. The Max is shaft drive so you get what you get. When you get out on the freeway and try cruising at 75 the RPM's are so high on the V Max that you both swallow gas and have a very touchy throttle. Try holding that steady for 2 or 3 hours on a nice out of town cruise.....
@@LordHolley Eh I tour across state on my Vmax 1700 often. I don't have an issue.
Man, I prefer the 5 speed on the gen 2, I can cruise at 90+ but it makes each gear so useful. I think a 6th gear would be a weak point with that power. My only complaint is the mileage vs the tank size. You are lucky to get 100 miles out of it but that is on par with the Sportster S as well. I will never sell my VMAX.....nothing in the world like it. Don't get me wrong, I also have Harley's, sport bikes, BMW GS and dirt bikes....I love em all. The VMAX is just a special beast and now that they are no longer made it is even more special.
@@LordHolley Not true at all, VMAX red lines at almost 10k. I can cruise at over 90+ and still be below 5k rpm. In fact I just rode it on the freeway yesterday and cruised the freeway at 100mph and it was purring!
VMAX is a complete Art of Engineering Masterpiece...
After passing speed traps, maniac Sporster S and V-Max riders taunt police by riding a quarter mile at full throttle.
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I was hitting 10.5s all night on my stock 2018 vmax. Got the slips. Point is, im no pro. Im pretty good but i guarantee a better rider could hit high 9s to 10.2. and the vmax is listed as 2.5 sec 0-60. So honestly ur shorting its performance
What time were you doing for 0 - 60?
@@BikesILike 1.68 60ft best from the ones i have altho im missing one of the slips so i dont know if that one was better. Best reaction time .064 best 8th was 6.803 best 1/4 was 10.537
I don't see the Sportster S being comparable to the Vmax with the Sportster S having less torque and almost 50-80 less horsepower.
I am a Vmax Maniac! (1992)
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I've got a 87 VMAX still in the crate,and a 2011 VMAX I ride often ,no regrets ,mpg ? The trade off is worth every dime! Need larger fuel capacity is my only complaint.
Got to love the Vmax!❤❤
I really hope Yamaha brings back the VMAX soon for us Maniacs…and hopefully not as an electric motorcycle.
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I with you on that. I have the Vmax 1700 right now.
Dunno about the 0-60 times.
My stage 1 dyna did 0-60 in 3.5.
Softail with 107-114m8 engine is a lot stronger and faster. That thing is a maniac!
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Paul, you make EXCELLENT videos brother! Full of important information and so easy to visually follow. Greetings from 🇨🇦
Thanks Rocky! 👍
I think you need to be a maniac to ride the Vmax. Now if only I had the cash for it 😁
I think I'd have to agree with you Serge, nicely done. 😁👍
Paul, great visual comparisons with the VMAX and its ridiculous horse power and brute of an engine coming out as the maniac of the bunch!
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I'll say, you'd have to be a maniac not to pick that Z900rs for bang for buck, (especially the Cafe version, it's just so pretty to look at). I just found your channel and enjoy your objective look at the bikes.
Thanks Brian! 👍
Nice comparison with that MANIAK V-Max bike mate. That V-Max was build to win that sprint from 99% of the bikes. Yamaha lists their V-Max even on 2.5 sec. That Sportster S is making good numbers to, with faster times than a FTR 1200. And that is impressive to all standards.
Thanks for all the work you put into this..
Thanks Grizzly! 😁👍 I know, I feel the VMax should be capable of a faster 0 - 60 time but I couldn't find any concrete times so I had to play it safe. Thankfully you guys are providing feedback and potential sources so I will go back, check them out and re-evaluate the VMax's true potential performance. I will do this with all bikes until I'm confident I have the times where they should be... Continuous improvement. 😉
Is the Yamaha VMax still available? What's the big cost with it?
Yes! Still available to buy new in the US www.yamahamotorsports.com/sport-heritage/models/vmax
Don't know if it's available anywhere else in the world though.
I swapped out the battery to a lithium ion one and the exhaust to a TBR system on the sportster S. Will add a better filter and dyno tune for 132hp 135nm 215kg wet weight. That's bloody impressive, better than a 600cc sportsbike especially considering the torque curve 😀
As a VMax owner, fuel economy has never once been a reason for owning this bike. Also, it’s WAAAAY faster in the 1/4 mile than the .06 seconds your pretend 1/4 mile on paper shows.
compared to the old sportster, the new one is a maniac!
Haha! Thank you. 😁👍
The problem is it will be compared to other bikes and seriously I doubt Harleys ability to step up. Look at the v rod motor. Sophisticated for a Harley but still behind the competition.
I don’t like the new sportster. One of the reasons I got mine was because of the air cooled engine. It’s truly the number 2 reason I got a Harley.
@@coach20348 that’s fine. I also have an iron 1200. Each bike has its merits
@@davidknows3320 yes sir..... and we all have our likes and dislikes. It’s why we have such a wide selection to choose from. I just hope that Harley doesn’t phase out the air cooled engines and take that choice from us in the name of advancing technology. See where I’m coming from?
Tq by HD has some meaning because they run Tq at the wheel numbers thru a reducing equation to make actual engine Tq numbers
And HP is calculated using messed up Tq numbers + using engine rpm instead of wheel rpm where the Tq is measured
Do you really think a 300hp motorcycle engine could move a car like a 100hp car engine, nevermind a 300hp car engine
The 900rs is detuned from the Z900, Z900 is constantly compared and losing to zuki gsxs750(I got one)
Compare my 750 in 3rd gear to night rod(somewhat comparable to Sportster S) in 2nd gear.....the Rod will run 3000rpm to 8000 (limit9000) faster than the 750(limit 11500).........2 different kinds of engines, on the motorcycle treadmill the only way to compare is Rod in 2nd and zuki in 3rd because these gears are equal rpm to speed......but then the 750 runs up to 11500, the way to ride it for performance is running higher rpm all the time........and burning up fuel, which is how you go fast
Over AU$8000 difference between the 900rs and sportster s here , think I'd be leaning towards the Kawasaki
It would be so fun to Humiliate the HD Fan boys after they spent another $7,500.00 for their Stage IV 131 Cubic inch kit. The V-Max is shaft drive and that hurts the MPG's all the same 27 MPG is very bad.. then again that's about what my Yamaha FZ-07 gets at 100 MPH .. Would have been fun to see a Hayabusa in this group..
Nice thrash lightweight triumph trident, all day long! Any excess weight on a bike is a no-no for me. A very unusual video, thank you. 👍😊
Well that was a pretty good comparison try to compare reliability and repair costs on them for common problems.
Vmax is extremely reliable and I would think the Z900 would be a reliable bike as well. Hardly has had a bad name in reliability, but not sure about there recent bikes.
I'l take the Slim.
I briefly rode a V-Max within the first couple of years of production. I'm 5’8” and not a heavy guy. Honestly, it scared the crap out of me. Holding onto the bars was a real challenge.
A person would have to be a maniac to buy one of them was my opinion at the time. It still is!
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Maniac here.
The gen 2 is very reserved unless you hammer it. I also have a 1985 and it is a bike from that time, nowhere near as good as the gen 2 but a massive icon
If anyone needs a visual on what it's like to ride a Gen 2 Vmax, pull up the video of Indiana Jones and the Crystal Skull - The rocket sled scene about sums it up ! 😄
I know this isn't a popular opinion, but I really wasn't impressed with the Sportster S after riding it a couple times. It feels to tame, missing the Harley DNA
I still own a 2013 V Max and it's a awesome bike and it's a very fast ride and I'm 70 years old but I love the bike
I like Harleys and I own one but that Sportster S is one ugly bike. What were they thinking with those giant mufflers and that tiny little rectangular headlight?
Maniac!!!!!! Vmax all day brother!!!!!!!
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Before I watch this video, I just want to comment I only tuned in to see how many different ways the vmax is better than the Sportster S.
The few, the proud, the VMAX1700 owners
The Indian FXR is the bike there trying to compete with not the rest of this lot.
Thank you so much for this video, it has helped me immensely! I have narrowed down my motorcycle search to the two bikes that were in your video, the Kawasaki Z 900 RS and the Harley Davidson Sportster S. You’re a maniac! Thank you so much for these videos I greatly appreciate them!
Haha awesome! Thanks Brian. 😁👍
@@BikesILike One comparison that I think that would be really worth pondering is the Fat Bob 114 against the Sportster S.
@@brianricke4950 I did compare the Street Bob 114 to the Sportster S in this video th-cam.com/video/MLxeuH85yH0/w-d-xo.html
That should give you a good indication of how the 114 might stack up performance wise. But I will keep the Fat Bob 114 in my back pocket for future videos. 😉
@@BikesILike I just wanted to let you know that I just purchased a new Sportster S! Your videos really helped in making my final decision! Blessings!!
@Brian Ricke Thanks Brian! Enjoy your new ride! 👍
That was an interesting video. Thanks for the interesting stats!
I feel the need, the need for my '98 Vmax maniacal speed.
thats a pretty good comparison test , and it shows just how varied bikes can be , but do the same job [ cruise ]..... the non maniac slim for me please = the soft strong torque pull is just good..
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I'm a torque maniac with MPG touring distances an important consideration... It'd be the Softail Slim for me..
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The sportster s seams to be a solid bike in all categories. At a decent price maybe it can help save Harley davidson. I'd imagine they will start using the revolution max engine in the touring bikes too. Keep up the good work you maniac
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Here in the USA the Sportster S starts at just over $18k
Totally useless comparison?!
Very interesting, thank you!
Cubic capacity, or Cylinder capacity. Not cubic centimetres, ya maniac.
I like the way you did that. 😁
My 2009 Vmax is proof I'm a maniac! I was surprised by your comparison and even with the lack of MPG, I love my Vmax!
That sportster s is a maniac bike for me nice an compact with custom look
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You can't buy Yamaha vmax anymore
Harley vs Yamaha R7 🤷♀️
I had a '96 Vmax, loved every minute of the 50k miles I put on it. Since then I've had a Hyabusa and now riding my second Electra-glide. My speeding maniac days are pretty much over.... but we'll see. Long from dead yet.
Maniac is something I've been called before, believe it or not =)
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Yet another solid comparison video. The sportster s is a Maniac
Lol
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That VMax is a complete maniac of a bike, seriously considered against the Rocket 3R but poor MPG/range and lack of rider aids made it a no brainier plus debatable handling and no longer for sale in U.K. still cool. Kwak RS is a cool bike, thanks again, Jon 🏴
😁👍 Thanks Jon!
I have the Vmax and a 2022 Rocket 3R. I agree with the MPG.
Good selection of bikes. I must admit I'm biased towards Yamaha. Love the VMax. I presently ride a 2014 Yamaha Raider S . Very satisfied.
Sportster S is a solid all around bike. I'm glad the MANIACS at Harley are getting things done. We needed this update.
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I was really disappointed with the riding experience on the Sportster S. It lost the excitement, feels to safe
I’d like to see a speed triple in a future comparison mr maniac
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I was one of those who owned a V-Max for a number of years and loved the rush that bike gives a rider. Anyone who rides one and survives better really know what they are doing and how to handle a powerhouse bike.
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very interest analisis
Would have enjoyed seeing how the larger Triumph Speed triple and Speed Twin would compare with the Sporster S.
Sportster S ♥️💪
My 2018 vmax says 666lbs wet on the vin
Thanks for the info, useful. 👍
Great comparison, you awesome maniac! ☺️
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Great comparison bro 👍🏻
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maniac! lol
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I want that Revolution Max engine in a new Muscle model with the 240 mm rear tire.
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These verses this and that is all for what. They all run good, their all fast.
So what comparison is there? Oh wait they all have two wheels. 🤣
Very cool to see such a wide variety of bikes compared. I own a Triumph Trident which I use for commuting. The MPG number is pretty accurate if you don't ride like a maniac. With such variety it would be interesting to see other specs like Range between refueling and next to dragstrip (raw power comparison) a virtual road track comparison like COTA for all around performance. That's where the Triumph would really shine.
As someone with a Slim, there's a high probability I would have come home with the sportster S if it was out when I bought the Slim in April
Does Yamaha still make the V MAX?
I was going to say Yes! It was still available for many years on the Yamaha USA site but after checking just now it looks like it has been dropped from the Yamaha lineup! www.yamahamotorsports.com/models.php?action=lineup&line=motorcycle
Maniac would even ride a Vmax.
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It's a YAMAHAMMER.....!
Yamaha has Always.... HAMMERED ALL.
Other than that, HONDA CB's.
That was a maniac….or a bike….🙄
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You have to be a Maniac to watch these 😀
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thank you for the great information on the Sportster S!
I am a maniac for the Harley-Davidsons. Both. They will have the longest life.
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I suggest you compare the new Harley Davidson sportster s to every other motorcycle ever made!
Maniac attack!!
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You are a maniac for numbers :)
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maniac ?????....why not
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Maniac 🏍
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Its funny the less you know the easier it is to settle on something you like but give a maniac like me too much information and a decision will never be made.
Haha! Nicely done. 😁👍
I must be nuts (or a maniac) watching this? NO, good video.
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I have an Indian Scout. I upgraded tp a stage 1 Kit, modified and re-flashed the ECM and some other fuel system mods. I dyno'd at 118.54 at the rear wheel. My 0-60 is 2.99 seconds. From the factory it is qouted at 3.4 seconds. Scout cost me $12, 292. I win.
Thanks for the info George! Good to get the factory quoted 3.4 secs for the Scout, I couldn't find that info anywhere and had it estimated at 3.7 secs for 0 - 60. Getting it down to 2.99 secs is a nice achievement and that rear wheel HP number is also impressive. You certainly have invested wisely. 👍
Not really.
The new Sportster looks like a Harley I'd actually buy. It look like a nice departure from what the South Park-style Harley riders seem to have to own.
The new Fatbob/Low rider s/Pan America/Sportster S are all killer bikes. I’ve always been a fan of VTwin bikes since I heard a Ducati 1099 in person and that lead me to buy a 20001 Honda RC51 which is an absolute blast to ride. With wanting to keep miles off of it and work on it I took a stroll down to HD to look at a Fatbob, which they didn’t have in stock and ended up leaving with a Low rider s. I never was a fan of HD until I saw the Pan America and Fatbob but boy let me tell you the LRS is a blast to ride. Go give anything I mentioned above a ride and you’ll become a fan as well.
This new Sportster makes my old Ironhead seem quite primitive
Anything designed by AMF is primitive...
Just discovered this channel and only a maniac would not enjoy these marvelous videos! 🙃
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Hahaha Straight to the point. 😁👍