Haha - angry dad's sometimes have wives who get some input in the choice of bikes. Me and the Mrs. compromised on the K1600GT rather than my choice of ZX14R and her choice of Goldwing. So I ended up with the somewhat nerdy K1600GT. I love the bike and just added a 690 SMC R for shorter trips. Which may suggest mid life crisis, but I don't care... its so fun to ride and the Corvette was a no go.
@@dachshundmorty8245 Lets talk. I love my FZ6R from 2009 but I desparately need cruise control, and ABS and some traction control for safety. I love that my FZ6R still have that sport feel for canyons and twisties. Sounds like you like your 1000SX, any other recommendations? I did look at the h2 but its so expensive and maybe a little big for my preference.
Makes a video about sports tourers but shows a BMW R1250RT. The RT is just a touring bike, the BMW sports tourer is the S1000XR. That bike actually meet the criteria in the start of the video.
Just ticked over 100k miles on my FJR1300. Looking forward to another 100k. When you want a FAST bike that you can ride all day without wishing you'd never been born, sport tourers are the answer.
I'm with u on the FJR, it does everything well. I chase down my buddies with there crotch rockets all the time. Then I can throw my bags on, and go out west for 2 weeks
I have an R6 and an FJR. Both great machines for different purposes. I feel bad for the people who write these bikes off (I was one of them). They're such a blast and so damn practical.
It's because he's a cruiser rider and if you want a useless category of bikes, it's cruisers. Touring bikes are more comfortable and more sporty. So there is no point to them.
The only difference between cruisers and sport tourer's (to me at least) is plastic, body position and a power band I wouldn't have rode Bristol to Carlisle (google it if you want) on my R1 and I don't find cruisers comfortable I prefer to be slightly tucked so I took the ZZR and was happy with it the entire way. It's all ultimately down to taste and comfort and considering the ZZR has done everything I have ever asked of it (and being my second ever bike when i was 25 STILL not a dad yet) I will never stop singing its praises. I'm not surprised that a cruiser rider would have such a problem with sport tourer's though considering they fill basically the same niche but cater to 2 different tastes.
@@Damitsall Cruisers are far from useless. I like cruisers. So does most of my family that rides bikes. Not to say that I don't like other kinds of bikes. Cruisers serve a purpose, which is to be ridden. This goes for any kind of motorcycle, and saying otherwise is ignorant. It doesn't matter what you ride, as long as you DO ride.
I am not sure that I have ever disagreed with a youtube video more than this. ST bikes are great at being the only bike in your garage. If you want a racer, get one. If you commute at high speed, and ride longer distances, ST is a great option.
"My Ninja 650 is faster than your 1250RT." Yeah, bro, a lot of bikes are faster and lighter than a RT. if I wanted a bike that can't carry anything or do 500 mile days, I'd look at a Ninja 650, too.
@@beanwithbaconmegarocket you can appreciate the extra weight in rough weather. I road a KZ650 cross country in all types of weather, I will not be going back. They are a good size as a track bike.
Sport touring bikes are by far the best choice for commuting. They are versatile enough to handle varying weather conditions and are comfortable enough to bear slow traffic conditions. The baggage makes it possible to bring along a change of clothes, lunch, laptop, spare helmet, etc...
Many are too fat for lane filtering though. I went with a 1st gen FZ1 instead of the ZX14 Concours for that reason, now I’m struggling with where to put my work stuff, lol.
so that's why most of the hard core bike commuters drive a gs? pitty i didnt made a picture of the garage at the police station . ( most driving a rt professionaly ) only gs and a tiger or african twin or two .
the pain in the è_ with the gs is that the height of the handlebars and as such the widest point is the same of all the extra wide suv side mirrors . in belgium traffic is obligated to make a rescue corridor so most of the time you have enough space, the fjr is a great machine for mostly highway commuting but for example both police and customs got rid of most of the fjr in favor of the 1250rt (although that also is because the bmw is the only one straight from factory police edition ) su@@Gnerko123
I wonder if the author of this video even realizes how badly he's mixed up categories. Then there'sthe issue of telling us how to save money by ditching sport tourers in favor of the more expensive Ducatis and KTMs he recommends. Finally, there's the fact that most sport tourers have the power and handling that exceed most, even younger, riders capabilities.What a waste of 13 minutes.
Don't buy a sport touring bike, buy a Multistrada? LMAO what? He just told you to buy an even more expensive bike that's almost as useless off road as a 1250RT. These guys haven't ridden any of the bikes they criticize.
I just drove from Phoenix Az to Springfield Illinois straight through on an ER6n, 24 gas stops, you gotta go 120 to make up the miles you loose during those stops, I found myself passing the same people four or five times, I didn’t choose the fast daddy life the fast daddy life chose me. Total time plus toll road and stops 30 hours, time it’s supposed to take 21
Even though I'm generally uncomfortable with the argument that "any position or preference difference than mine is wrong," I was following the video along until I reached the point where it was argued that sports touring bikes are unnecessary because "we ride up to 150 miles a day on our existing bikes." I consider 150 miles a short ride. A normal summer Saturday ride on my R1200 RT is 300-400 miles (and I'm 65 years old). So to each his own.
Totally agree! I absolutely love my RT (both of them! Lol!). I don’t think the oil is even warm after 150 miles!! I liken these young riders to children who’ve just tasted their first hamburger and think it’s the best food out there. It takes experience and time to appreciate a good glass of wine alongside a perfectly grilled steak! One day the children will grow out of their naïveté.
I agree. Also, many riders I know lament not having enough garage space. What people really want is 4-5 different bikes. I've had a 250cc Dual Sport, Goldwing 1800, a BMW R1200RS, a BMW R1200RT, and a Kawasaki Versys (among others). All were very good at different kinds of riding, and all of them sucked at other types of riding. There is no *one* perfect bike. Renaming bikes like a FJR1300 or an R1200RT a "Touring" bike? Well then what would you call a Goldwing, a Harley CVO, a Kawasaki Vulcan 1700 voyager, Indian Roadmaster, or the Yamaha Star Venture, or the BMW 1600 Grand America. Sport Touring may not be "sporty" enough for some riders... but they definitely are a unique category when compared to the full on TOURING bikes that I mentioned above. And.. if you haven't travelled 300+ miles a day through the great open valleys and rocky mountain roads, for many days in a row... then you might not appreciate a fully faired, 600+ pound motorcycle that can ride comfortably for 8-10 hours a day with 2-3 hour stretches at 80+MPH COMFORTABLY, and then still get *somewhat* spirited carving up some good twisties without grinding floorboards.
Hell I recently did 205 miles on my damn dirtbike (ktm 690 enduro R) no windshield no cruise control no luggage no heated grips etc etc....and get this about half that ride was OFFROAD....okay I know I am young man in mid 60s so you can use that against me if you want saying that us youngsters dont know anybetter.....fair enough
@@dougiequick1 Of course it's possible to do it. The question is whether you'd want to do 300+ miles every week that way or not, and how you felt afterwards. Like I said, to each his own but the video seemed to take the angle that there was only one right answer.
"Sport touring bikes suck and they're expensive. Here's what you should get instead of a sport touring bike: A sport bike with no touring capability, or a $25,000 sport touring bike." I didn't quite follow the logic on this one. Kawasaki Ninja 1000 / Z1000SX is a pretty remarkable sports touring bike. Fast, comfortable, versatile, and it's a great price for what you get.
Yea, no idea why they didn't mention this bike. It seems to be everything that the 'Sport touring' market actualy wants. A comfortable, powerful daily driver and twisties capable
As a 2019 N1K owner myself, I am pretty disappointed he didn't mention it one way or the other. I got one on a whim last year coming from a cbr1000rr, and I'm in love with it. It does it all.
I have a Kawasaki Concours, and I love that bike. I'm a disabled Marine Veteran, so I needed a very comfortable bike and the Concours is typically regarded as one of the most comfortable. If the Connie is a "nerdy dad" bike, well I'm not in my 20's nor 30's anymore, one of my favorite hobbies is to read, and I work in IT. As a kid I was a dumb jock, and I've worked hard to become a nerd, so thanks for the recognition.
@@beanwithbaconmegarocket I am a nerd, I worked very hard to become a nerd. It's not an insult, it's a compliment, and I'm proud. I'm sorry if you're too insecure to be yourself, but I don't have that problem.
@@avet4521 settle down, big guy. i was joking and pointing out that the guys in this video call riders like you nerds in a negative way but you sounded like a cool guy. no idea why you're coming back at me.
@@beanwithbaconmegarocket To be honest, your original reply sounded to me like you were also trying insult me for being a nerd. It would seem I misunderstood your intent, sorry.
I've been or road bikes for 48 years, owned a whole lot of different brands. I am a licensed motorcycle mechanic and I have ridden probably thousands of different models. This May (2021) I purchased a pristine Honda 2000 Pan European with only 46,000 km as a complimentary to my shovelhead. I have re-fallen in love with motorcycling like I had not expected. This is my dream motorcycle which I always dreamed about. Sport tourers suck for you, but you are miniscule insignificant minority.
Only an intelligent certified tech could see the beauty of a Honda ST1100 or 1300. After all they are comfortable, smooth, dead reliable, etc., and to many the ideal motorcycle.
I'm fairly convinced they have made a pact to not acknowledge that it and the R1250R actually exist. This has more to do with the fact they keep talking like the FTR is a whole new class of bike.
Really missed the mark here. Those Yamaha MT models were the evolution from their sport touring line up. They just made them naked bikes around 2010. They were the old FZ models and still have all the spout with a comfortable saddle position and corner carving ability. The Tracer 900 and GT models are 450 lbs and terrific sport touring bikes, far from boring. You got this wrong.
@Miles Doyle, look pal, this isn’t that kind of discussion group. Unless Jesus rode a motorcycle instead of a donkey, and you have nothing motorcycle-like to contribute, please take the preaching elsewhere.
Agreed - New Tracer is #1 on my Birthday list. But I still miss my good old Honda ST1100. Call it a Goldwing on a diet. Great long range, all day comfortable fast bike. Love the V4. Also loved the V4 V-Max cheers
Adventure Sport Touring Bikes? Are you kidding me? I'm 68 and my wife is 52. 32" Inseam and 30" Inseam. We workout, take care of ourselves, and currently ride a Harley CVO Limited. We BOTH Tried on ALL the available Sport Adventure Type Bikes last week and OMG! ALL The Bikes were so frigging tall I could NOT get on 2 of the Beemers. The Triumph was impossible to mount for both of us. She could finally mount 2 of them BUT could NOT straddle ANY of them due to the 35-37" Seat Heights. Are you kidding me? Kawasaki KLR 650? Forget it....Beemer, KLM, Suzuki, forget it.... I pick up my ZZR 1200 Sport Tourer next week...She takes the MSF Basic Course this weekend. She has ONLY found 1 Bike that 'Fits Perfect'....The Yamaha V Star 650...Go Figure....25" Seat Height...Easy to Mount and Dismount and Light to Handle. Sorry Yammie Noob but not all of us are 6'6" 38" Inseam Riders....We LOVE our ST Bikes from the past...FJR 1300AE? Sorry I ever sold it...
They are called Sport Touring because we can ride them 600+ highway miles in a day and still pass most sportbike guys in the mountain twisties once we get there. The sportbike guys trailer up and take corners only slightly faster than the Harley guys. I know people on BMW GTLs and Kawi Concourse and Yam FJRs that run circles around sportbikes.
But most people just use bikes for short rides so they'll never understand what Sport Tourer riders do. This video leaves that very clear.... they just don't get it.
You say “drop the ‘sport’ pretense from ‘sport tourer’” I say drop the “off road” pretense from adventure bikes. Also you skipped the best sport tourer imo, the Yamaha Tracer 9.
Completely agree with this statement. I love adventure ergos, but don't need any of the offroad pretense in my commuter/long distance touring bike. Add in the fact that it has the same engine add the mt09 and I was sold.
@@insiainutorrt259 Agree, I’ve got street tires on my adv and it’s great. But there’s wheel size, suspension travel, ground clearance etc; compromises intended for dirt that my bike never touches.
Most sport tourers are matured experienced riders who can afford better equipment. A sport touring motorcycle like the C14 or FJR 13 can go from SF to NY and back averaging 100 to 150 mph and sustain those speeds without breaking a sweat whereas a sport bike or cruiser would either break down or be too slow, and don't forget those 2 bikes mentioned are governed!
Yeah. I got the Ninja 400 because i like my back and will be probably riding bikes like that hopefully until I'm old. Sport bike with good ergos is my lane
100%. I swore I would never be caught dead on a Goldwing...I've had Monsters, MT09, Superduke, street triple, speed triple, ZRX1100, mt-01, Africa Twin, and here I am looking at R1250RT and Goldwing...
Best reason to own a Sport Touring bike? To make the kids on "real" sportbikes feel stupid when you pass the around the outside and leave them in the dust. All while not even dragging the centerstand.
This is so. Rider skill is more important than age or motorcycle, especially in the mountains. The old guy on the Sport Tourer is a legendary figure among squids. Sometimes they show up and promptly disappear as if their subscription to physics was premium, and yours basic.
@@ManicSalamander a great point and that's maybe why yammienoob needs a "turbo busa" to feel fast... perhaps to bandaid over lack of refined rider skills?! Also, the way he gets off just uttering "turbo busa" seems as if he's overcompensating for something
So sad losers, desperately trying to justify their flaccid attempt at reclaiming their 20's "freedom"? Joking. Everyone should ride what makes them happy. Except the Dutch!
Two excellent sport tourers which offer a good deal of performance and were not mentioned in the video are the Kawasaki Z1000SX and the Yamaha Tracer 900 GT. Both touring comfortable with hard luggage and more than capable of shredding apexes.
Seriously, 2020 Tracer 900 GT rips. 0-60 in 2.9. When you sit against the tank it feels like a supermoto, when you sit back in the seat it feels like a tourer. Just get the 50L top case from Yamaha, the touring windscreen and maybe the MRA xcrean bolt on and you have a proper sport tourer for $11,000. Thats what I got mine for.
I’m happy with my second-dorkiest bike: the Versys 650. My first bike at 50. It’s comfortable and capable enough for me on the highway. And got a great deal on it. Less than 7K brand new.
Yep. Versys 650 rules. I'm at 33k miles on mine, no problems. I keep up with my buddies just fine. Sporty, yet solid on highway runs. Oh, and I paid $2,600 used ha ha!!
For best bang for the buck, pick up a 2014-ish Honda VFR800 on the used market. Running about $6500, plenty of bike for canyon carving, and can easily do cross-continental multi-week touring.
I'm in my 4th VFR. I have hard bags and trunk, 20 years of riding and being able to lock and secure my gear is awesome. Three of my VFRs were the 800cc. Are they the fastest, not a chance. All things are give and take, sport tour is exactly that. Sport tour isn't the best at any one thing, its great at everything you want to do. I'm a VFR guy and I'll take that V4 every time. You might pass me, but I've got way more miles to go.
I’m only upset because you left out the ninja 1000sx. That literally meets all definitions of sport tour and doesn’t suck. 513 pounds fully fueled 5 gallon tank Fully faired Liter bike torque and mid range power Reasonable ergos Cruise control Room for two $12-13k What sucks about that? The sector may be fizzling out, but the ninja sure seems like a good option to me.
My FJR is by far the best bike I’ve owned, and I’ve had Hondas, R1’s, gsxr600 and others. FJR is comfort, distance, reasonable power, and storage for camping. Also all of your numbers for price are new. I bought mine with 13,500km on it for 4000CDN, beat that, spoiler alert….you can’t.
Absolutely agree. Love my FJR. I would never think to refer to it as "slow". And once you get rolling, it is balanced so well that the weight disappears.
Bought one just a couple months ago…. Absolutely love it!!! I’ve rode scooters, dirt bikes, all kinds of road bikes…. I will keep this bike for a long time!
Can't beat a Sport Tourer. Comfortable, quick, great handling and stops well. Sport bikes handle better, but not THAT much better. 150 miles is a ride around the block. And while you were saying that Sport Tourers have always been too expensive, You forgot (or didn't know) the original Connie sold brand new for less than $7k, alll thway to 2007. I'm on my 3rd, but at least I'm now in the 21st century on my 1400. I sold my last two with 55K and 68K miles on them respectively, which is about average for the marque. Not too many sport bikes approach those miles. In the end, each type of motorcycle fits a certain style of riding. If you want to drag pegs and blow by cars on the right, then a sport bike is for you. If you want a bike that can carve AND hit the superslab without losing your back or sticking your girlfriend or wife's butt in the air, then get a Sports Tourer. Age got nothin' to do with it.
@@spoonman73 I have the 2021 Ninja 1000. 142 horse at 514 pounds. More than enough power. If you want more performance you have to give up the comfort. I can crunch miles on that thing all day. (Did 400klm today).
@@bryancotter9602 It's a great overall bike and I love the ergonomics. But the seat is hard and hurts my ass after an hour. I have ridden mine everyday for the last 5 years as I am a commuter. You are missing the point. We shouldn't have to give up comfort or pay ridiculous money to get the power of a liter bike. The bike has actually gotten slower and heavier over the years. The point is that a good bike could be GREAT but Kawasaki has only made aesthetic changes. I would be willing to pay more for a version with more performance...
The ninja 1000sx has had alot more than minor Changes. I had a 2014. Picked up a 2021 2 months ago. 1) it will run with my mt10 up to 130 mph breaks 10.5 in the quarter easily and repeatedly which few can do at the strip with a superbike. Ive run mine faster in the 1/4 than my mt 10 which is fully flashed and puts 152hp to the wheel. It has fully integrated hard bags and has lean angle abs, a revised sterring geometry so it hAndles way better than my 2014. Range over 200 miles and up and down quick shifter. Ive yet to be passed in the twisties on it. I think some of the opinions here are based on what, a 150 mile ride being a “tour”? Get to 500-1000miles in a day and it shines. I can keep up Just fine
I'll be glad to see that 660 leave. I'm tired of them trying to tie it into every video as a do it all bike. Can't believe you didn't mention the ninja1000sx or the Tracer. You know, the most popular sport tourers on the market.
I own a ninja1000sx and its by far the best bike I own for sport touring, I scrub off my chicken strips weekly in the twisties, and this weekend I have a 400 mile trip planned with me and my lady I know it will tackle it like nothing
I watched the whole video, waiting for him to say... "BUT, there is one AWESOME sport touring bike that deserves a mention, the Ninja 1000"... or something like that... Sadly, I don't think we can get the Tracer 700 in the US...
I’ve previously owned a Concours 14 and now ride a Versys 1000. I couldn’t agree more that the ADV style bikes are the better ticket. The first thing I had to do with the Concurs is put a flatter (Corbin) seat on it, bar risers, and a taller windshield… basically making the riding position that of an ADV. Almost every used example I’ve seen of a Concours 14 has these same 3 modifications.
i take issue right from the start. As someone who has been riding 59 years, yes, 59 years and counting, i feel more than qualified to talk about sport tourers and the sport touring rider. Ifs you live into your 50's, and are like most of us former sport bike riders, you will develope bad knees, hips, elbows and every other joint in your body. The difference between us and the rest of the population our age is we have fallen off motorcycles at one time or another. I still enjoy riding briskly but I tend to stay 100% within my capabilities now and do not push the envelope. I still ride a 2005 ST1300. Yes, it is big, yes it is heavy but it doesn't have the engine from a sport bike. What it does have is the ability to run 500 plus miles in a day and not break a sweat, whether it is on interstates or two lane roads. There are a lot of bikes out there that are designed to be reasonably comfortable and still offer somewhat of a sporting ride. I am not ready for a Gold Wing or any other large touring. bike but I don't enjoy the same kind of riding I did when i was in my 20's, 30's and 40's. The first sport tourer I owned. was a BMW RS from the early 80's It got me hooked on the idea that I could actually go somewhere and still be comfortable while being able to at least play like a sport rider. I know youtube videos are the bike magazines of today except that today, we don't really know how qualified someone is to voice an opinion.
@@HighRPMOnly unless newer models updated it. the old concourse was a shaft drive, 5spd with a detuned engine, bags and windshield. zx14r is chain driven higher hp and 6 spd.
Nobody has ever called the R1250RT a "Sport" Touring bike, it's a touring bike, full stop. The R1250RS would be their "Sport" Tourer, and it's 100lbs lighter than the RT and a damn fine bike that's a lot of fun to ride just about anywhere.
BMW itself used to market it that way. And the reason that it is the most common police bike around the world is that it combines comfort, speed, and agility in one package.
@@DrSKMetz no, they didn't... they've always marketed it as a touring bike and not a sport touring bike. And that marketing has nothing to do with police choosing it. 🙄
@@troybrowning839 I must have been hallucinating when I bought mine then. They didn't have a separate "sport touring" section on their website but that's what the brochure called it.
@@DrSKMetz they've never had a separate touring section, even today the RS is actually listed in the sport section alongside the S1000 models but at no point has BMW ever claimed the RT was a sport anything. Feel free to post a photo of your brochure that says otherwise.
I am 5'6" tall and 74 years old. Add up all the aches, pains and arthritis I have and I should be dead but I am still riding. You missed my favourite ST. I own a 2020 Kawasaki Ninja 1000SX SE. It weighs 514 lbs, has 82 ft/lbs of torque and 140 hp. So it clearly fits in the ST category but it also has an adjustable seat height for us vertically challenged and it is smooth, comfortable and fast with a semi-sport seating position. I manage to put 5000km a year on it without travelling more that 100km from home. I love this bike and I have been riding since I was 11 years old so I have owned a lot of bikes including cruisers, touring bikes, sport bikes and adventure bikes (too damn tall for me, otherwise I love them).
I can confirm the R1250RS is a great descendant to the original RS and not to be confused like the young folk with the R1250RT which is the bulkier tourer descendant of the original RT. I wish it had be big screen though, but at least the small one displays the speed in big numerals for these old eyes (unlike the previous R1200RS)😳
I watched as far as he rode for 150 miles on one of his choices, that is about 1/2 a tank on my BMW. Sport touring class big fairing, so it works well in all kinds of weather, has locking hard bags so it can be used for nearly everything a small car can be used for. Cheaper insurance, easier maintenance. They also make great daily drivers, my bike is not a weekend toy but transportation that is practical. I felt the need to see what this was about, now not so much.
You couldn’t be more wrong. Some of the best selling bikes from most manufacturers are sport touring bikes, Yamaha’s Tracer 9GT (900 GT previous model), BMW S1000 XR, Kawasaki 1000SX, not selling yet but Suzuki’s new GSXS 1000GT is getting rave reviews and will be a massive hit….the list goes on. Sports tour bikes are THE ablest bike to own. A lot of my mates have full on adventure bikes and we do long trips, and I do mean long trips, some of the tech on their bikes is better but when we get to the twisties it’s the sports tourers that have the most fun, plus you can ride them all day in, just about as much, comfort as an adventure/full on touring bike. Also, when you just want to go for a flap on a Sunday, you can strip them down quickly enough, ie touring screen off, sports big screen on, loose the panniers (so scaffolding left) etc and you’re in ‘sports mode”. My current sport tourer is without doubt the fastest road bike I’ve ever had and I rode all sorts of sports bikes for years.
I have a 2002 Honda 919, 2002 Yamaha R1, and a 2015 FJR1300A. Sport Tourers are most definitely not pointless/suck. If you're doing a long trip, the size, comfort, weight (good for freeway stability), and cargo capacity and passenger room, plus other features like electronic cruise control are incredibly valuable. Years ago I did a 5 day trip covering 1500 miles on my Honda 919 with an added windshield, hand guards, and comfort seat and it was pretty compromised. I much rather would've had the FJR for that trip. I think the main fair point here is some of the larger ADV bikes like the Tiger, Superduke can arguable do as well as some sport tourers in some applications. But if you're looking to do multi-thousand mile long trips and still want something than can handle twisties better than a Goldwing, Star Venture or other full on touring bike sport tourers are the best option.
Regardless of your actual experience, this seems like it was written by someone who's never actually ridden a sport touring bike. My 2015 Kawasaki GTR1400 begs to disagree with 80% of your video. Practical, good fuel economy, super reliable, comfortable, looks amazing, and still fast as hell....but apparently it's trash not worth owning?? Lol, you need to put the blunt down, my dude. Sometimes "hot takes" are just dumb ideas and not actually clever arguments.
Its called Sensationalized BS argument that almost always deliberately ignores anything not convienient to the BS sensational point...the sad thing is new to sport sorts looking up to these gurus as authority over how they must think trusting they are actually being honest....makes one want to SCREAM and then unsubscribe
Sport touring bikes do NOT suck......if you really think that than I'd say your kind of a knucklehead. There's many many different kinds of bikes for different things. And sport touring bikes are beautiful for what their made for. = )
I have owned and ridden almost all styles of bikes, I mainly ride the bigger ones up to 1600 cc. I enjoy riding most of them and the most recent ride I did was around 6,000 miles on an FJR 1300 ES, the 2023 model. It's probably the bike that I enjoyed the most. It was comfortable, quick, and soooo much power, comparably to my R1 (by taking my breath away literally and put me in the zone). But then I can also use all 6 gears just to cruise on lower speeds. With all of it's accessories and side bags I can go anywhere with this bike.
I just got a Concours 14 and I love it. I was 100% adv up until this. I tried the GS and the Multistrada but this is a whole other thing. It’s like piloting the Rocinante. Forget the weight. Steering is lean angle limited and braking is skill limited, so why not be comfortable.
Love mine too she is a road beast, got rid of my Z1000 for the Connie because I wanted a bike I could do 500 plus mile days that was also as fun as the Z1000.
@@ccb7122 not sure what harley you have but those twins are loaded with torque so out the blocks hard to beat. If you have a need for speed and doing it in comfort the Connie is a great fit. She is a road beast.
Does a video on how sport tourers suck then leaves out the three bikes that in my opinion define sport touring market. The Yamaha Tracer/GT the Kawasaki Ninja 1000SX and the BMW S 1000 XR.
You missed the best sport tourer in the market XD Ninja 1000sx, unforgivable! Edit: I don't think even manufacturers call those elephants "sport tourers" anymore, but just "tourers".
@@mymmy yeah! Position wise it looks like one but barely has space for a passenger or luggage. I also heard the engine is quite twitchy and difficult to master
My 2019 FJR rules, it’s fast, comfortable solid ride and loaded. In sport mode it holds the line like none other. You can have your off roaders and get stuck in a mud hole.
Yeah, this isn't it Chief. 33 year old Connie 1400 owner here. Owned 2 road adventure bikes before and they're absolute garbage for the road only. Wind management and weather protection is awful. Both road adventure bikes had horrific buffeting, head bobbling, and wind noise that made me sell them. They offered almost no weather protection other than your stomach, so you might as well be riding a naked. While the Connie is heavier than either of my adventure sport bikes, they both handled like shit in comparison. The Connie handles like a sportbike and you can actually feel the feedback from the front end. The Tiger was downright scary in corners. Longer travel suspensions just don't transmit the same feel and confidence in corners. When you can get the amount of storage and passenger comfort on the RS660 or when you can get a sub-4000 mile H2SX for under $10k, let me know. I have a Street Triple R for a reason, and I don't want to do longer miles on it. I think my 175hp dad-missile is well fast and sporty enough for most mortals, and push comes to shove the STR would be sold in a heartbeat before the C14.
You are of course correct sir. Also the bikes they mentioned cant compare when considering carrying a passenger or highway performance. This was a dumb take imo
As another 1400 GTR owner (as they're called in other parts of the world) I can attest to everything you've said. Clearly the guy who posted this video up has either never ridden a Connie or just has shit awful taste in bikes. Asides from all the real world advantages to the connie over all the crap he mentioned in his video, it also looks much, *MUCH* nicer and has significantly better road presence. Magnificent machine.
I must agree the Concours has everything right. If the weight is a problem start with that 50lb potato cannon on the right side! Two brothers shaves all but 8 lbs off. While unfolding myself from sport bikes in my youth to nestled in comfort on my dad dream machine. The 2 machines that I have enjoyed the most zx14 and the Concours. Not in that order. And special consideration to the FJ!
You're way off. Sport tourer bikes now are like Yamaha Tracer 900 or the new Tracer 9 with 120 hp, less plastic and all the sports with extra comfort. It is a best seller in Europe for a reason. Also Yamaha Tracer 7 with the MT07 engine and all the Tracer 9 goodies. These are the modern ST bikes. You should test them. You haven't yet. They are a life changer...
GSX1250F Upright seating, wind protection, surprising cornering stability (I chase/outpace most of my sport bike friends), lots of storage options, affordable and lets not forget 80lbs of torque at 3,500rpm which is almost impossible for any sport bike to match, especially at that price. Cruise all day at 100-130mph issue free in comfort.
Do you have an aftermarket windshield? I find that the wind can get very annoying and loud already at 100-120 kph (60-75 mph) even though I'm wearing custom molded earplugs and a Shei GT Air 2. Been thinking of getting a different windshield, but the options seem like that they are not high enough to push the wind over me. Rn the wind hits me in the upper chest, which is fine, but I fear that an aftermarket windshiled would just worsen the problem by directing the wind straight to my face.
@@engrammi ive have a 17" and now trying a 19" vstream, still finding alot of buffeting at those speeds. Bought one of those cheap aftermarket little add on sheilds...works but the distortion is not to my liking, maybe a more expensive one would be clearer. Scorpiom 1400, ear plugs as well...I can tuck under the 19" wind sheild, uncomfortable but really quiet.
Angry Dad here, you skipped my bike, so of course I’m pissed! The Ninja 1000 SX doesn’t fit your narrative. Only $12,300 brand new, 142 HP and literally one of the best 2-up bikes out there. It will dust all the old expensive barges on your list. I heard you call it slow on a Yamcast a few weeks ago and I laughed out loud. It has literally twice the HP of your SuperMoto! I have been watching your channel for years and I am a first time commenter so you must have touched a nerve. I know you might think that I am not in your target demographic, but you would be surprised about how many Angry Dads subscribe to your channel. You guys are entertaining and semi-informative! 😀
Sorry man, you're off the mark on this one. An ADV bike is great, if you have an intention of doing adv things with it, but it doesn't offer anywhere near the wind protection or comfort of something like an FJR for crushing miles. Speaking from personal experience, I owned a multistrada 1200s for 20,000 miles, and now I have an FJR and a T7. The 21 inch front on the t7 makes turn in a fair bit of effort once you get up to decent speed. The FJR is telepathic, hardly any effort for instant turn in, and it is SO much quieter with hardly any wind on you when riding - far less than the multistrada. If you're interested in doing some miles, and you don't care to go off-road, sport touring rigs DEFINITELY still have their place. It'll easily go for 150k miles, and I spent a whopping $4200 on it. Hard to beat. T7 is great off-road bike. It can do road trips, but in nowhere near the comfort.
This is a really bad video from an uninformed guy who never tried either bikes and can't see the difference between a sport touring and a naked with a fairing (also calling the FZ6 heavy, LOL)
This is the sort of review I would expect from a noob. YN is in about 3rd grade on the biker experience scale. He has yet to realize a bike, the right bike, can take him across continents instead just across town.
It is a mistake to recommend a sports motorcycle to everyone, not everyone wants a super sports motorcycle and not everyone wants an adventure motorcycle, but let's listen to him, and ignore all the engineers of all brands to whom they pay thousands of dollars for their ideas and market research and sales results
everybody is entitled to their opinion. The annoying thing about this video (and other recent ones from this channel) is that opinion is presented as fact and honestly it just sounds ridiculous. Like the title of this vid, "Sport Touring Bikes Suck!" (because he says so ? ).
@@ioandragulescu6063 Yes, with his enormous experience (ego) he came to that conclusion, it is as ridiculous as saying "the color red sucks and I will prove it to you" 😂😂 although I think he only does it to get views even if it is offending people.
Most who would buy a true sport touring bike don't care that they're a bit heavy or that you can't drag knee through the dragon's tail. Obviously neither Spite nor Yam understand the concept of a bike with lots of power (yes 135 on a 600+ pound bike is still way more than enough) that's comfortable where a guy can load his wife and some luggage and strike out on a 2 week trip if they like and not even care if its raining cause while you're moving neither of you are getting that wet. When you've done your 300 - 500 miles for the day you turn a key and your luggage comes off to take into the motel with you. Some of these he calls a sport-tourer aren't even close and a pillion would be crying for mercy and to get off after 50 miles.
@@Loiczzr I don't doubt that at all brother and those are great bikes from everything I see. The biggest majority of this type of bike probably wouldn't be great when it comes to that though. I'd never even attempt it on my '88 GSX1100F, but I do love the power and wouldn't hesitate to use it on a long road trip.
Man! You SOOOOO dropped the ball on this. I have a 2017 KTM Super Duke GT. Coming from a KTM RC8, I can tell you, this is a GREAT, if not THE BEST SPORT TOURING Motorcycle!! FULL STOP! It has all the tech goodies and even saddlebags, but she stops litre Super bikes. I do it all the time. Oh, and yeah, I am a dad! (I am a 56 yr old dad that rode track for a few years and climbs wind turbines, but yeah, I am a dad. I don't need my knees to hurt when I ride for 30 mins. I don't need my hands to get numb, either. Let's face it, adventure bikes are weird and ugly. Take a look at the 2017 Super Duke GT and you will see that KTM nailed it.
As an FJR dad bike owner I gotta say the bike is basically what you buy when you want a huge, comfy, absolute unit of a bike, but you don't want to go back to the 17th century and get an air cooled bagger. I mean this thing is ridiculously comfortable and when you put on the dad spec aftermarket windshield you literally can ride in the rain without getting wet. Also, I found out last weekend that you can drag knee on them which is pure comedy :) That being said, there are better choices... mine was the best choice for me because I got it for $5600 lol.
I'm looking at the fjr because price of older second hand ones are really cheap, seems like they are reliable , shaft drive and plentiful so should be easy to find a good example ..
Nope sport tours can go the distance and best of all are fast and comfortable my 2019 Goldwing in sport mode moves and I can and do ride it all day oh and it's a Honda
I liken much of the ADV marketing to the 4wheel counterpart term "SUV" where it ordiginally was a class of vehicles truly designed to spend time offroad ...but then quickly the segment deteriorated in large part to just another body style that marketing people could use to convince the public was way cooler (for otherwise ignorant soccer moms especially) to be seen in than the now uncool "mini vans" which btw had years before entirely suplanted the once way cool "station wagons" of yesteryear in an identical manner! but I digress... My point is that motorcycle manufacturers now happily just mimic the lines of the ADV format on various models just to sell bikes....witness one such highly offensive (to me at least) offering being the BMW 1000XR a totally awesome sport touring bike they made LOOK quite ADVish even though it would no doubt be scary as hell to take offroad with it's 17" one piece wheels factory shod with way more sportbike like rubber. Personally I SO wish BMW had simply adjusted things on their AWESOME sport bike the 1000RR simply creating version of THAT with more comfortable egos etc...how hard would THAT be? NOT! ....I would no doubt own one by now had they done so....do you hear this BMW? You F'D up BAD on that one! WHAT in the F were you thinking dudes???
I'm 20 now, got my motorcycle license this year. Never thought about buying anything other than a Sport Tourer/Adventure Bike. Sport Bikes - bcuz mainstream and common: Expensive. To much power for public roads. Fuel intesive. Definition of uncomfortable. No possibility to carry luggage. Simply unnecessary. Sport Tourer: The perfect bike for daily riding & nice trips to your dream destination. That said, Sport Tourers & Adventure Bikes are the best, and you aren't an old man if you like them. Got my eyes set on a Tracer 7 GT, will buy either in Fall 2021 or Spring 2022.
It’s so funny the entire motorcycle community breaks down into groups. People who only care about speed and power. People who hate technology. And then many sub groups. I fall into the group that likes it all. Comfort , enough power , dope tech , you name it.
H2 SX looks fantastic, however I also need to be able to pay for the insurance, so the Ninja 1000SX sounds much more reasonable. Need to test ride the performance tourer.
Yes! Yes! Yes! This channel has never talked about the ninja 1000 SX one time! The 1000 SX is the greatest price\performance bike EVER if you want to compare it to what these guys are talking about. It honestly deserves its own video show some damn respect!
My 07 K1200 GT was the best solo long distance bike I ever owned. 156hp, shaft drive, big gas tank, great storage & would drag the pegs. Longest day was 927 miles. Wish they still made it.
The problem with this is what we call sport tourer, a BMW RT is not an sport tourer, the sport router would be the R1250RS, the FJR isn´t sport-tourer either (IMO), sport tourers are the mentioned R1250RS, the Ninja 1000SX, the GSXS 1000F and the Ducati Supersport, that´s it. The RS660 is not an sport-tourer either, (it has nothing tourer on it, same with the CBR 650R) is just a comfortable sports bike (what people used to call F motorcycles)
No love for the Yamaha FZ/MT models, the MT09 or that renamed GT model touring bike? My 08 FZ-06 was a lot of fun to ride with a 5 gal tank. I could go all week as a daily rider doing 80 miles round trip. I wish I put on bags, I would have kept it longer. Now looking to get an upgrade.
Agreed. This video was an ad for their giveaway bike. They're talking up a bike that they've gotten tired of riding after an hour and a half ? I've rode my ninja 1000sx 9 hours in one day. not even hopping off for fuel. ( God that day sucked and I didn't ride for like 2 weeks after )
@@andrewsmith9174 Great bikes, I think those would be considered comfortable sports bikes, right? I have a FZ6R, they call that sport touring but it seems more like a comfortable sports bike.
@@marcos1669 how is the Tracer a sporty trail bike and not a tourer?? It's can fit panniers and top box, comes with cruise control and heated grips, large windscreen for highways (even if its performance might be questionable) and can comfortably take a passenger...
Ummm...the interceptor wasn't a sport tourer when it came out. It was Honda's cutting edge sportbike of the time. But I am old enough to remember when they came out...I bought sport tourers because I wanted comfort and sporty for the street not the track. Adventure bikes have a taller seat height usually too.
I was gonna say exactly this. My VF500 is in no way meant for proper touring use. It's a naked sport bike more than anything. The reason I want a Tuono 1100 is because it's basically a modern version of the early Interceptor. Sporty, V4, more upright-ish ergonomics than a dedicated sport bike like a CBR or RSV4.
@@Dukerdr omgosh...guess I really am 53....but it's ok, I've owned more than 200 motorcycles and ridden hundreds of others...a life well lived I suppose. Ride safe all.
@@jonelliott9627 My remark was directed at the video producer, I was agreeing with you....I love sport tourers because they make the most sense of all bikes made. I have a tourer, a cruiser, several sport bikes ...and a sport tourer. It truly is the "one bike to rule them all."
Damn dude, skipped over the R1250RS, the ACTUAL bike the R100RS turned into, also hurt because you skipped my Ninja1000SX, the clear choice if you want a sport tourer, that's still sport and tourer...
Most motorcycle journalists overlook the R1250RS, it's probably BMW's best kept secret and a highly capable sport bike that is a decent tourer when you need it to be.
Wrong. Just wrong. I’m not an angry dad, I’m a dad that’s right and been riding 35+ years ago. The only thing about it was the “Ewan” factor and the advent of adventure bikes, manly the GS. The FJR 1300 was amazing, powerful and surely not only for highly miles….did you ever rode one? Don’t think so. I’m in southern Europe where we have no straits, and I own one. I can bet you wouldn’t catch me in anything less then a R1! Slow….ha ha ha ha. The difference is you can have fun along a 15 days trips with all your stuff and in comfort. The RT just doesn’t make sense because of the existence of the GSA. Disclaimer: Ps: well I now own a GSA, but in my defense I do go off road (SUV Style) in Africa so I think I have a true reason.
I understand that if you own 3 bikes and can ride dozens of different ones for your job, sport tourers might be the least interesting type to ride. One question: Have you ever ridden an FZ6? Boi I'm telling you, the grin gifting motor of an R6, and so comfy you can enjoy it for hours. One bike to satisfy most of your needs :D
1400 GTR (Concours14) uses ZX-14 engine but with tweaked variable valve timing, the best shaft drive system of any motorcycle to date (even much better than BMWs) and an overall highly refined machine that is much more comfortable than a zx-14. Don;t get me wrong I love the zx-14r but in line of the topic of the video surrounding touring / long distance hauls, the mighty 1400 GTR (aka 'Fat Ninja') wins hands down with its best of all worlds package and even greater road presence.
My main takeaway -> if you think 150 miles in a weekend is a long ride, you're weren't qualified to make this video as most FJR or R1250 RT owners do stints longer then that, let alone consider 150 miles a ride. We also don't ride highways and tear up twisties all day long on them. The use of power and weight in this video is disinformation as you neglect to compare fuel and other fluid volume to your coveted naked bikes which would start to explain some of the differences; an FJR carries around an extra 24 lbs of just gasoline compared to most naked bikes, let alone oil and coolant. Furthermore, an FJR is still in solid shape with 60,000 miles on it with minimal maintenance where as many of the naked bikes on the market today are getting heads rebuilt and timing chain guides replaced. I guess you're ultimately getting what you want from this video, a comment and a complaint to put money in your pocket and fuel another flashy and wrong video that puts more money in your pocket....
Love the Connie 14, great riding position, performs with litre bikes, eats interstate. Only draw back is tire mileage, but that comes with the higher end performance, I have yet to get over 7500 miles on a set.
Absolutely correct love my k1200r my favorite bike I own after I fixed the bugs because it's an 06 so it had all the stupid fuckups from bmw still figuring it out lol
my first sport tour experience was on a k1200r. Sweet jeebus on a ICBM that thing just pulled and pulled and pulled. Then 12Gt then 13Gt. One day I will own an FJR, used, low miles because I live 4 hours south of Silverton, Co. , and I am getting too old to ride the 990 smt roundtrip in one day.
My favorite bike I owned was a K1300GT, three hard cases, great electronic windscreen, etc etc. it would fall into curves and ride them like a rail. I wish they made a modern version of it. The problem for my aging bones was the height and weight. Still should not have sold it
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Angry Dad? No. This video made me decide to trade in my K1200GT in for a Burgman 650. Or a Majesty 400. Cuz I'm an Old Dad now. ;)
Haha - angry dad's sometimes have wives who get some input in the choice of bikes. Me and the Mrs. compromised on the K1600GT rather than my choice of ZX14R and her choice of Goldwing. So I ended up with the somewhat nerdy K1600GT. I love the bike and just added a 690 SMC R for shorter trips. Which may suggest mid life crisis, but I don't care... its so fun to ride and the Corvette was a no go.
@@dachshundmorty8245 Lets talk. I love my FZ6R from 2009 but I desparately need cruise control, and ABS and some traction control for safety. I love that my FZ6R still have that sport feel for canyons and twisties. Sounds like you like your 1000SX, any other recommendations? I did look at the h2 but its so expensive and maybe a little big for my preference.
Makes a video about sports tourers but shows a BMW R1250RT. The RT is just a touring bike, the BMW sports tourer is the S1000XR. That bike actually meet the criteria in the start of the video.
Just ticked over 100k miles on my FJR1300. Looking forward to another 100k. When you want a FAST bike that you can ride all day without wishing you'd never been born, sport tourers are the answer.
I'm with u on the FJR, it does everything well. I chase down my buddies with there crotch rockets all the time. Then I can throw my bags on, and go out west for 2 weeks
FJR for the win! Love mine... 20,000 miles this past year, no "have to get used to" ergonomics, just comfortable. 👍
I chase down knee-draggers on the twisties with my FJR, then pass them while carrying a passenger.
I have an R6 and an FJR. Both great machines for different purposes. I feel bad for the people who write these bikes off (I was one of them). They're such a blast and so damn practical.
RT's are unbeatable on multiday adventures
"can be outrun by X" there is a lack of understanding the point of sport touring bikes all the way through this video
It's because he's a cruiser rider and if you want a useless category of bikes, it's cruisers. Touring bikes are more comfortable and more sporty. So there is no point to them.
The only difference between cruisers and sport tourer's (to me at least) is plastic, body position and a power band I wouldn't have rode Bristol to Carlisle (google it if you want) on my R1 and I don't find cruisers comfortable I prefer to be slightly tucked so I took the ZZR and was happy with it the entire way.
It's all ultimately down to taste and comfort and considering the ZZR has done everything I have ever asked of it (and being my second ever bike when i was 25 STILL not a dad yet) I will never stop singing its praises.
I'm not surprised that a cruiser rider would have such a problem with sport tourer's though considering they fill basically the same niche but cater to 2 different tastes.
@@Damitsall Cruisers are far from useless. I like cruisers. So does most of my family that rides bikes. Not to say that I don't like other kinds of bikes. Cruisers serve a purpose, which is to be ridden. This goes for any kind of motorcycle, and saying otherwise is ignorant.
It doesn't matter what you ride, as long as you DO ride.
Hey it made you watch all the way through!
@@ronden63 you have to listen to an argument before you can respond to it
I am not sure that I have ever disagreed with a youtube video more than this.
ST bikes are great at being the only bike in your garage.
If you want a racer, get one. If you commute at high speed, and ride longer distances, ST is a great option.
"My Ninja 650 is faster than your 1250RT." Yeah, bro, a lot of bikes are faster and lighter than a RT. if I wanted a bike that can't carry anything or do 500 mile days, I'd look at a Ninja 650, too.
@@beanwithbaconmegarocket you can appreciate the extra weight in rough weather. I road a KZ650 cross country in all types of weather, I will not be going back. They are a good size as a track bike.
I agree, he completely misses the point of ST bikes. I have been riding ST bikes since 1999 and love them.
Love my 2012 R1200RT. All 580 lbs of it.
He lost me at "comfortable ergonomics". There's a reason STs exist.
Sport touring bikes are by far the best choice for commuting. They are versatile enough to handle varying weather conditions and are comfortable enough to bear slow traffic conditions. The baggage makes it possible to bring along a change of clothes, lunch, laptop, spare helmet, etc...
Many are too fat for lane filtering though. I went with a 1st gen FZ1 instead of the ZX14 Concours for that reason, now I’m struggling with where to put my work stuff, lol.
so that's why most of the hard core bike commuters drive a gs? pitty i didnt made a picture of the garage at the police station . ( most driving a rt professionaly ) only gs and a tiger or african twin or two .
Don’t understand why they wouldn’t mention the Tracer 700/900, Tiger Sport, Suzuki vstrom 650 etc..
@@blackarmored I looked at a GS but got an FJR instead. GS is way wider due to the wide handlebar, makes it hard splitting lanes.
the pain in the è_ with the gs is that the height of the handlebars and as such the widest point is the same of all the extra wide suv side mirrors . in belgium traffic is obligated to make a rescue corridor so most of the time you have enough space, the fjr is a great machine for mostly highway commuting but for example both police and customs got rid of most of the fjr in favor of the 1250rt (although that also is because the bmw is the only one straight from factory police edition ) su@@Gnerko123
I wonder if the author of this video even realizes how badly he's mixed up categories. Then there'sthe issue of telling us how to save money by ditching sport tourers in favor of the more expensive Ducatis and KTMs he recommends. Finally, there's the fact that most sport tourers have the power and handling that exceed most, even younger, riders capabilities.What a waste of 13 minutes.
Don't buy a sport touring bike, buy a Multistrada? LMAO what? He just told you to buy an even more expensive bike that's almost as useless off road as a 1250RT. These guys haven't ridden any of the bikes they criticize.
Seems he just wants to stir things up for his own agenda (what that is. I won't invest more time with his 2 year old narcissistic mentality).
WRONG Sport Tourers are BOSS. Comfort, performance, fuel range.
function is the opposite of cool and thats why sport tourer bikes are amazing.
I’m not mad at them
Not even a sport touring rider and understand they wrong. Want to talk about a pointless bike, let's talk crusiers.
Found the nerd! Everybody point and laugh!
@@Damitsall own one then you will understand
Sorry Spite, I still choose the fast Daddy life.
I just drove from Phoenix Az to Springfield Illinois straight through on an ER6n, 24 gas stops, you gotta go 120 to make up the miles you loose during those stops, I found myself passing the same people four or five times, I didn’t choose the fast daddy life the fast daddy life chose me.
Total time plus toll road and stops 30 hours, time it’s supposed to take 21
@@Webbytrace7 I'm with you, be mad at the game not the player
@Miles Doyle Yeah, but JC was more of a sports tourer guy when he wasn't tooling around on his ass.
@Miles Doyle do you understand that literally nobody is reading your wall of text randomly dropped into an unrelated thread?
Sport Touring Bikes are one of the best segments , Feel this is was just a content fill Vid.
Yeah for example the Ducati supersport 950s
Oh you mean it’s somehow different than the usual “hey what’s a popular opinion so we can make a contrarian video about it lolz” he makes?
@@irfanshafri9574 that's not a touring bike, it's a sport bike that you can actually live with
@@nigo1787 like the cbr650r?
@@irfanshafri9574 hard to compare a 4 pot 650 Honda to a 950 Ducati, but yes, something like that
There are those people that think they know something but really don't and then they make a video about it. This is one of those videos.
WOW! His buddy can do 150 miles on a weekend! ...... That's some hard core riding...
Even though I'm generally uncomfortable with the argument that "any position or preference difference than mine is wrong," I was following the video along until I reached the point where it was argued that sports touring bikes are unnecessary because "we ride up to 150 miles a day on our existing bikes." I consider 150 miles a short ride. A normal summer Saturday ride on my R1200 RT is 300-400 miles (and I'm 65 years old). So to each his own.
Totally agree! I absolutely love my RT (both of them! Lol!). I don’t think the oil is even warm after 150 miles!!
I liken these young riders to children who’ve just tasted their first hamburger and think it’s the best food out there. It takes experience and time to appreciate a good glass of wine alongside a perfectly grilled steak! One day the children will grow out of their naïveté.
I agree. Also, many riders I know lament not having enough garage space. What people really want is 4-5 different bikes. I've had a 250cc Dual Sport, Goldwing 1800, a BMW R1200RS, a BMW R1200RT, and a Kawasaki Versys (among others). All were very good at different kinds of riding, and all of them sucked at other types of riding. There is no *one* perfect bike.
Renaming bikes like a FJR1300 or an R1200RT a "Touring" bike? Well then what would you call a Goldwing, a Harley CVO, a Kawasaki Vulcan 1700 voyager, Indian Roadmaster, or the Yamaha Star Venture, or the BMW 1600 Grand America.
Sport Touring may not be "sporty" enough for some riders... but they definitely are a unique category when compared to the full on TOURING bikes that I mentioned above.
And.. if you haven't travelled 300+ miles a day through the great open valleys and rocky mountain roads, for many days in a row... then you might not appreciate a fully faired, 600+ pound motorcycle that can ride comfortably for 8-10 hours a day with 2-3 hour stretches at 80+MPH COMFORTABLY, and then still get *somewhat* spirited carving up some good twisties without grinding floorboards.
Hell I recently did 205 miles on my damn dirtbike (ktm 690 enduro R) no windshield no cruise control no luggage no heated grips etc etc....and get this about half that ride was OFFROAD....okay I know I am young man in mid 60s so you can use that against me if you want saying that us youngsters dont know anybetter.....fair enough
@@dougiequick1 Of course it's possible to do it. The question is whether you'd want to do 300+ miles every week that way or not, and how you felt afterwards. Like I said, to each his own but the video seemed to take the angle that there was only one right answer.
Loved crushing 500 mile days on my FJR.
"Sport touring bikes suck and they're expensive. Here's what you should get instead of a sport touring bike: A sport bike with no touring capability, or a $25,000 sport touring bike." I didn't quite follow the logic on this one.
Kawasaki Ninja 1000 / Z1000SX is a pretty remarkable sports touring bike. Fast, comfortable, versatile, and it's a great price for what you get.
Yea, no idea why they didn't mention this bike. It seems to be everything that the 'Sport touring' market actualy wants.
A comfortable, powerful daily driver and twisties capable
As a former 5th gen VFR800 owner, I can say the Ninja 1000 is the spiritual successor to the sport touring crown.
As a 2019 N1K owner myself, I am pretty disappointed he didn't mention it one way or the other. I got one on a whim last year coming from a cbr1000rr, and I'm in love with it. It does it all.
@@chrisedwards9509
How do you find it compares to the litre supersport?
@@DropBlairCares54 I have a 2019 Ninja 1000 ABS or SX as it's called now, it's the previous ZX10 motor, it's fast AF
I have a Kawasaki Concours, and I love that bike. I'm a disabled Marine Veteran, so I needed a very comfortable bike and the Concours is typically regarded as one of the most comfortable. If the Connie is a "nerdy dad" bike, well I'm not in my 20's nor 30's anymore, one of my favorite hobbies is to read, and I work in IT. As a kid I was a dumb jock, and I've worked hard to become a nerd, so thanks for the recognition.
Nah, you're a bike nerd according to these guys. lmao
@@beanwithbaconmegarocket I am a nerd, I worked very hard to become a nerd. It's not an insult, it's a compliment, and I'm proud. I'm sorry if you're too insecure to be yourself, but I don't have that problem.
@@avet4521 settle down, big guy. i was joking and pointing out that the guys in this video call riders like you nerds in a negative way but you sounded like a cool guy. no idea why you're coming back at me.
@@beanwithbaconmegarocket To be honest, your original reply sounded to me like you were also trying insult me for being a nerd. It would seem I misunderstood your intent, sorry.
@@avet4521 all good brother. ride on
I've been or road bikes for 48 years, owned a whole lot of different brands. I am a licensed motorcycle mechanic and I have ridden probably thousands of different models. This May (2021) I purchased a pristine Honda 2000 Pan European with only 46,000 km as a complimentary to my shovelhead. I have re-fallen in love with motorcycling like I had not expected. This is my dream motorcycle which I always dreamed about. Sport tourers suck for you, but you are miniscule insignificant minority.
Only an intelligent certified tech could see the beauty of a Honda ST1100 or 1300. After all they are comfortable, smooth, dead reliable, etc., and to many the ideal motorcycle.
Brought to you by someone who probably defines a long day in the saddle as one tank of gas.
Lmao😂....nailed it!
No they don't suck. Look at the Kawasaki Ninja 1000 SX 2021.
Oh wow. 140 HP for 15,000€... What a deal.../S
@@bernardomotard if you're shopping by power per dollar then you wouldn't be looking at sports tourers anyway
@@BaldKiwi117 says who?
S1000XR/multistrada are much better bikes
@@bernardomotard says a lot of people. Power is important but only one aspect of bike.
The best sport tourer bang for your buck wise
“R1250 RT is basically the modern RS” I guess we’re just gonna ignore the R1250 RS that is literally the modern RS
and it's a fantastic bike !
so is the RT I suppose, but I'll never be old enough to drive this thing so I'll never know
I'm fairly convinced they have made a pact to not acknowledge that it and the R1250R actually exist. This has more to do with the fact they keep talking like the FTR is a whole new class of bike.
Yes that made me smile too, it always helps to do a bit of research before spouting ill-informed nonsense.
And that one is one hell of a bike
I want one. Used I guess because $20,000 is INSANE!!!
Really missed the mark here. Those Yamaha MT models were the evolution from their sport touring line up. They just made them naked bikes around 2010. They were the old FZ models and still have all the spout with a comfortable saddle position and corner carving ability. The Tracer 900 and GT models are 450 lbs and terrific sport touring bikes, far from boring. You got this wrong.
Typical of Spite.. To be fair I disagree with more than half of his little video essays
@Miles Doyle, look pal, this isn’t that kind of discussion group. Unless Jesus rode a motorcycle instead of a donkey, and you have nothing motorcycle-like to contribute, please take the preaching elsewhere.
Thanks, Andrew. I was looking through the comments for a Tracer 900GT comment as I’ve been considering trading up to one. I appreciate what you said
Agreed - New Tracer is #1
on my Birthday list.
But I still miss my good old Honda ST1100. Call it a Goldwing on a diet.
Great long range, all day comfortable fast bike.
Love the V4. Also loved the V4 V-Max cheers
I ride a fz8 I confirm this the mt/fz bikes are very fast, great in corners, comfortable, and get fuel economy/range
Adventure Sport Touring Bikes? Are you kidding me? I'm 68 and my wife is 52. 32" Inseam and 30" Inseam. We workout, take care of ourselves, and currently ride a Harley CVO Limited. We BOTH Tried on ALL the available Sport Adventure Type Bikes last week and OMG! ALL The Bikes were so frigging tall I could NOT get on 2 of the Beemers. The Triumph was impossible to mount for both of us. She could finally mount 2 of them BUT could NOT straddle ANY of them due to the 35-37" Seat Heights. Are you kidding me? Kawasaki KLR 650? Forget it....Beemer, KLM, Suzuki, forget it.... I pick up my ZZR 1200 Sport Tourer next week...She takes the MSF Basic Course this weekend. She has ONLY found 1 Bike that 'Fits Perfect'....The Yamaha V Star 650...Go Figure....25" Seat Height...Easy to Mount and Dismount and Light to Handle. Sorry Yammie Noob but not all of us are 6'6" 38" Inseam Riders....We LOVE our ST Bikes from the past...FJR 1300AE? Sorry I ever sold it...
Problem is is with adventure bikes with their high seats they are built for Giraffes.
They are called Sport Touring because we can ride them 600+ highway miles in a day and still pass most sportbike guys in the mountain twisties once we get there. The sportbike guys trailer up and take corners only slightly faster than the Harley guys. I know people on BMW GTLs and Kawi Concourse and Yam FJRs that run circles around sportbikes.
Riding on a highway is boring.
@@ravenmoto5948 You ride the highways to get to the mountains...
@@ravenmoto5948 why you ride it fast with a sport tourer
@@ravenmoto5948 you're riding the wrong highways. Now, Interstate Highways are boring.
@@danielmoore1394 Yes, and that is exactly how they are designed.
Also I’m sick of bikes you need a chiropractor after riding for more than 20 min. Sport touring life is the best life.
But most people just use bikes for short rides so they'll never understand what Sport Tourer riders do. This video leaves that very clear.... they just don't get it.
You say “drop the ‘sport’ pretense from ‘sport tourer’”
I say drop the “off road” pretense from adventure bikes.
Also you skipped the best sport tourer imo, the Yamaha Tracer 9.
Completely agree with this statement. I love adventure ergos, but don't need any of the offroad pretense in my commuter/long distance touring bike. Add in the fact that it has the same engine add the mt09 and I was sold.
Tracer 9, S1000XR etc are crossoverbikes, sport tourers are the busa and zx14r type of bikes
I ride a Tracer 900 and it rocks.. slowly modding it into an adventure bike, and I even mess around with it off road sometimes (to a certain extent)
Road tires on an ''adv'' and its as road king as it gets gravel tires and at least it can do some.... unlike some others
@@insiainutorrt259 Agree, I’ve got street tires on my adv and it’s great. But there’s wheel size, suspension travel, ground clearance etc; compromises intended for dirt that my bike never touches.
Most sport tourers are matured experienced riders who can afford better equipment. A sport touring motorcycle like the C14 or FJR 13 can go from SF to NY and back averaging 100 to 150 mph and sustain those speeds without breaking a sweat whereas a sport bike or cruiser would either break down or be too slow, and don't forget those 2 bikes mentioned are governed!
Nobody ever talks about the BMW F800GT... Absolutely brilliant machine, comfy, fast, practically no maintenance. Really nice l'il continent crusher.
It is but the 2 cylinder engine is very very buzzy and it's not really a 'bmw' I believe the engine is made by Rotax.
Engines were garbage. Such a great bike for BMW they sold by the 10's.
@@GPz84 those aprillia rotax engines are not garbage...
As you get older, comfort becomes more important.
He wouldn't know now but he will find out
comfort should be important on a super sport, why would you want to ride all day on an uncomfortable bike of any kind
Taller and carry Passenger as well.
Yeah. I got the Ninja 400 because i like my back and will be probably riding bikes like that hopefully until I'm old. Sport bike with good ergos is my lane
100%. I swore I would never be caught dead on a Goldwing...I've had Monsters, MT09, Superduke, street triple, speed triple, ZRX1100, mt-01, Africa Twin, and here I am looking at R1250RT and Goldwing...
Best reason to own a Sport Touring bike? To make the kids on "real" sportbikes feel stupid when you pass the around the outside and leave them in the dust. All while not even dragging the centerstand.
As someone who has been shown the wheels of an FJR1300 in the French Alps, I resemble this remark.
Well said, I love it when they stare at your bike after they catch up at the gas station, like WTF?
This is so. Rider skill is more important than age or motorcycle, especially in the mountains. The old guy on the Sport Tourer is a legendary figure among squids. Sometimes they show up and promptly disappear as if their subscription to physics was premium, and yours basic.
@@ManicSalamander a great point and that's maybe why yammienoob needs a "turbo busa" to feel fast... perhaps to bandaid over lack of refined rider skills?! Also, the way he gets off just uttering "turbo busa" seems as if he's overcompensating for something
That’s a hot take my friend… prepare yourself for a lot of angry dads
So sad losers, desperately trying to justify their flaccid attempt at reclaiming their 20's "freedom"?
Joking. Everyone should ride what makes them happy. Except the Dutch!
@@ReQuiem_2099 and why is that
I'm sure team Yam has gotten so use to the angry mobs by now 😆
@@SumPixelz because it's a two decade old meme quote from Michael Caine in Austin Powers: Goldmember.
Lol
I just bought a Kawasaki ninja 1000sx , sorry, not sorry
Is it nice?
(Thinking about getting one)
While ADV bikes may be capable of sport touring, they’re too tall for many riders. Sport tourers are more ergonomically comfortable.
Two excellent sport tourers which offer a good deal of performance and were not mentioned in the video are the Kawasaki Z1000SX and the Yamaha Tracer 900 GT. Both touring comfortable with hard luggage and more than capable of shredding apexes.
You’ll need to pry my 2020 Tracer 900 GT from my dead, angry, nerdy, Dad-Hands you Troglodytes!
I was gonna say the new Tracer 9 GT looks bad ass!!!
2019 Tracer 900 GT dad here too - shaking my fist while simultaneously helping my kid across the monkey bars
As soon as he said only sub 1000 with hard bags was the Duc I said Tracer.
Seriously, 2020 Tracer 900 GT rips. 0-60 in 2.9. When you sit against the tank it feels like a supermoto, when you sit back in the seat it feels like a tourer. Just get the 50L top case from Yamaha, the touring windscreen and maybe the MRA xcrean bolt on and you have a proper sport tourer for $11,000. Thats what I got mine for.
That bike is more in line with what YNaS are recommending.
I’m happy with my second-dorkiest bike: the Versys 650. My first bike at 50. It’s comfortable and capable enough for me on the highway. And got a great deal on it. Less than 7K brand new.
Yep. Versys 650 rules. I'm at 33k miles on mine, no problems. I keep up with my buddies just fine. Sporty, yet solid on highway runs. Oh, and I paid $2,600 used ha ha!!
Got a new 2015 versys 650 LT. It was still on the showroom in 2017. So I got it for 6100 out the door. Lol.
Sold it tho. It was amazing.
For best bang for the buck, pick up a 2014-ish Honda VFR800 on the used market. Running about $6500, plenty of bike for canyon carving, and can easily do cross-continental multi-week touring.
I'm in my 4th VFR. I have hard bags and trunk, 20 years of riding and being able to lock and secure my gear is awesome.
Three of my VFRs were the 800cc.
Are they the fastest, not a chance. All things are give and take, sport tour is exactly that.
Sport tour isn't the best at any one thing, its great at everything you want to do.
I'm a VFR guy and I'll take that V4 every time.
You might pass me, but I've got way more miles to go.
I’m only upset because you left out the ninja 1000sx. That literally meets all definitions of sport tour and doesn’t suck.
513 pounds fully fueled
5 gallon tank
Fully faired
Liter bike torque and mid range power
Reasonable ergos
Cruise control
Room for two
$12-13k
What sucks about that? The sector may be fizzling out, but the ninja sure seems like a good option to me.
I just got one, love it 👌🪙👍
I have a versys 1000 and like it a lot but the ninja is the best overall sport tourer....next to the h2 se sx.
1000XR BMW....Tracer 9GT....both even lighter than Ninja sx and lots more touring goodies
As far as I know, the side boxes being too small to fit a helmet is what sucks about it.
@@dougiequick1 the tracer doesn’t cruise quietly and comfortably at 140mph though. Not that anyone needs to do that.
My FJR is by far the best bike I’ve owned, and I’ve had Hondas, R1’s, gsxr600 and others. FJR is comfort, distance, reasonable power, and storage for camping.
Also all of your numbers for price are new. I bought mine with 13,500km on it for 4000CDN, beat that, spoiler alert….you can’t.
FJRs is real nice bikes, enough engine and corner carving and dont weight like an oil tanker.
FJR was on my bucket list for many years.. finally bought one this April. All good!
Absolutely agree. Love my FJR. I would never think to refer to it as "slow". And once you get rolling, it is balanced so well that the weight disappears.
Bought one just a couple months ago…. Absolutely love it!!! I’ve rode scooters, dirt bikes, all kinds of road bikes…. I will keep this bike for a long time!
Best bike I ever let get away.
After I lost that stock saddle.
Yep. FJR. Goes right to the bone...
You just wasted 13 minutes of my life. Not much to agree with here.
Why did you watch for the full 13 minutes if it was going to be a waste of time? Didn't you read the title?
Yup,
Can't beat a Sport Tourer. Comfortable, quick, great handling and stops well. Sport bikes handle better, but not THAT much better. 150 miles is a ride around the block. And while you were saying that Sport Tourers have always been too expensive, You forgot (or didn't know) the original Connie sold brand new for less than $7k, alll thway to 2007. I'm on my 3rd, but at least I'm now in the 21st century on my 1400. I sold my last two with 55K and 68K miles on them respectively, which is about average for the marque. Not too many sport bikes approach those miles. In the end, each type of motorcycle fits a certain style of riding. If you want to drag pegs and blow by cars on the right, then a sport bike is for you. If you want a bike that can carve AND hit the superslab without losing your back or sticking your girlfriend or wife's butt in the air, then get a Sports Tourer. Age got nothin' to do with it.
I love my 1000sx. I do think touring is pushing it but I like a fast bike and sitting more upright is better for my old self.
The Ninja 1000SX is a very good blend. Can do well even on the track.
It's still underpowered and over weight , though. About equal to a gixxer 750. I ride one everyday. And the H2SX is too damn expensive.
@@spoonman73 I have the 2021 Ninja 1000. 142 horse at 514 pounds. More than enough power. If you want more performance you have to give up the comfort. I can crunch miles on that thing all day. (Did 400klm today).
@@bryancotter9602 It's a great overall bike and I love the ergonomics. But the seat is hard and hurts my ass after an hour. I have ridden mine everyday for the last 5 years as I am a commuter. You are missing the point. We shouldn't have to give up comfort or pay ridiculous money to get the power of a liter bike. The bike has actually gotten slower and heavier over the years. The point is that a good bike could be GREAT but Kawasaki has only made aesthetic changes. I would be willing to pay more for a version with more performance...
The ninja 1000sx has had alot more than minor
Changes. I had a 2014. Picked up a 2021 2 months ago. 1) it will run with my mt10 up to 130 mph breaks 10.5 in the quarter easily and repeatedly which few can do at the strip with a superbike. Ive run mine faster in the 1/4 than my mt 10 which is fully flashed and puts 152hp to the wheel. It has fully integrated hard bags and has lean angle abs, a revised sterring geometry so it hAndles way better than my 2014. Range over 200 miles and up and down quick shifter. Ive yet to be passed in the twisties on it. I think some of the opinions here are based on what, a 150 mile ride being a “tour”? Get to 500-1000miles in a day and it shines. I can keep up
Just fine
@@Tradmark454 Cool story, bro...
you clearly have never ridden a ninja 1000SX, otherwise you wouldnt make such a video.
I felt sad watching this video as I'm picking up my 2021 Ninja 1000SX tomorrow. Glad to hear positive reviews about it, makes me feel better!
I'll be glad to see that 660 leave. I'm tired of them trying to tie it into every video as a do it all bike. Can't believe you didn't mention the ninja1000sx or the Tracer. You know, the most popular sport tourers on the market.
I own a ninja1000sx and its by far the best bike I own for sport touring, I scrub off my chicken strips weekly in the twisties, and this weekend I have a 400 mile trip planned with me and my lady I know it will tackle it like nothing
I watched the whole video, waiting for him to say... "BUT, there is one AWESOME sport touring bike that deserves a mention, the Ninja 1000"... or something like that...
Sadly, I don't think we can get the Tracer 700 in the US...
Or give the VFR a proper mention
@@izzy031096 Been a few old dads on VFRs and the St sprint sort out young sport bike riders .
I’ve previously owned a Concours 14 and now ride a Versys 1000. I couldn’t agree more that the ADV style bikes are the better ticket. The first thing I had to do with the Concurs is put a flatter (Corbin) seat on it, bar risers, and a taller windshield… basically making the riding position that of an ADV. Almost every used example I’ve seen of a Concours 14 has these same 3 modifications.
i take issue right from the start. As someone who has been riding 59 years, yes, 59 years and counting, i feel more than qualified to talk about sport tourers and the sport touring rider. Ifs you live into your 50's, and are like most of us former sport bike riders, you will develope bad knees, hips, elbows and every other joint in your body. The difference between us and the rest of the population our age is we have fallen off motorcycles at one time or another. I still enjoy riding briskly but I tend to stay 100% within my capabilities now and do not push the envelope. I still ride a 2005 ST1300. Yes, it is big, yes it is heavy but it doesn't have the engine from a sport bike. What it does have is the ability to run 500 plus miles in a day and not break a sweat, whether it is on interstates or two lane roads. There are a lot of bikes out there that are designed to be reasonably comfortable and still offer somewhat of a sporting ride. I am not ready for a Gold Wing or any other large touring. bike but I don't enjoy the same kind of riding I did when i was in my 20's, 30's and 40's. The first sport tourer I owned. was a BMW RS from the early 80's It got me hooked on the idea that I could actually go somewhere and still be comfortable while being able to at least play like a sport rider. I know youtube videos are the bike magazines of today except that today, we don't really know how qualified someone is to voice an opinion.
Can't believe the zx-14r didn't make the list. It's considered a "sports touring" bike. I absolutely love it!
Why would he when the concourse 1400 was mentioned? Genuinely asking, isn't it the same bike just different tune and bags included?
@@HighRPMOnly unless newer models updated it. the old concourse was a shaft drive, 5spd with a detuned engine, bags and windshield. zx14r is chain driven higher hp and 6 spd.
@@sarolikia weird they dropped a gear, but the rest makes sense for a touring bike
@@HighRPMOnly ZX14R 590 pounds and chain drive @200hp 140nm C14 690 pounds and shaft drive @150 hp 150m both of them have 6 speed
Its more sporty than tourer
Adv bikes are the ultimate dad or dork bikes, I'd take a sports tourer over one any day. But I'll stick with my cruisers
Nobody has ever called the R1250RT a "Sport" Touring bike, it's a touring bike, full stop. The R1250RS would be their "Sport" Tourer, and it's 100lbs lighter than the RT and a damn fine bike that's a lot of fun to ride just about anywhere.
BMW itself used to market it that way. And the reason that it is the most common police bike around the world is that it combines comfort, speed, and agility in one package.
@@DrSKMetz no, they didn't... they've always marketed it as a touring bike and not a sport touring bike. And that marketing has nothing to do with police choosing it. 🙄
@@troybrowning839 I must have been hallucinating when I bought mine then. They didn't have a separate "sport touring" section on their website but that's what the brochure called it.
@@DrSKMetz they've never had a separate touring section, even today the RS is actually listed in the sport section alongside the S1000 models but at no point has BMW ever claimed the RT was a sport anything. Feel free to post a photo of your brochure that says otherwise.
Correct.
I am 5'6" tall and 74 years old. Add up all the aches, pains and arthritis I have and I should be dead but I am still riding. You missed my favourite ST. I own a 2020 Kawasaki Ninja 1000SX SE. It weighs 514 lbs, has 82 ft/lbs of torque and 140 hp. So it clearly fits in the ST category but it also has an adjustable seat height for us vertically challenged and it is smooth, comfortable and fast with a semi-sport seating position. I manage to put 5000km a year on it without travelling more that 100km from home. I love this bike and I have been riding since I was 11 years old so I have owned a lot of bikes including cruisers, touring bikes, sport bikes and adventure bikes (too damn tall for me, otherwise I love them).
Idk about this one. The R1250RS is a cool bike and my favorite bike of all time is the Ducati Supersport.
I can confirm the R1250RS is a great descendant to the original RS and not to be confused like the young folk with the R1250RT which is the bulkier tourer descendant of the original RT. I wish it had be big screen though, but at least the small one displays the speed in big numerals for these old eyes (unlike the previous R1200RS)😳
I would say the only "real" sport touring bike of the bunch is R1200/1250RS. Maybe because I have 1200 version, IDK...
I watched as far as he rode for 150 miles on one of his choices, that is about 1/2 a tank on my BMW. Sport touring class big fairing, so it works well in all kinds of weather, has locking hard bags so it can be used for nearly everything a small car can be used for. Cheaper insurance, easier maintenance. They also make great daily drivers, my bike is not a weekend toy but transportation that is practical. I felt the need to see what this was about, now not so much.
Sport touring: coffee and a burger run is 250 miles
Busa dorks: 12 miles and they are done.
Just spent a week on my new RT and can’t get this grin off my face.
With the updates I'm waiting for 2022 for the updates (Working out the bugs) after that, it's all hands on deck for the RT!!
RT's are great! Love mine as well!
Love my RT
In the 70's the UJM was a sport tourer, add a Windjammer fairing and you had the best sport tourer.
You couldn’t be more wrong. Some of the best selling bikes from most manufacturers are sport touring bikes, Yamaha’s Tracer 9GT (900 GT previous model), BMW S1000 XR, Kawasaki 1000SX, not selling yet but Suzuki’s new GSXS 1000GT is getting rave reviews and will be a massive hit….the list goes on. Sports tour bikes are THE ablest bike to own. A lot of my mates have full on adventure bikes and we do long trips, and I do mean long trips, some of the tech on their bikes is better but when we get to the twisties it’s the sports tourers that have the most fun, plus you can ride them all day in, just about as much, comfort as an adventure/full on touring bike. Also, when you just want to go for a flap on a Sunday, you can strip them down quickly enough, ie touring screen off, sports big screen on, loose the panniers (so scaffolding left) etc and you’re in ‘sports mode”. My current sport tourer is without doubt the fastest road bike I’ve ever had and I rode all sorts of sports bikes for years.
I have a 2002 Honda 919, 2002 Yamaha R1, and a 2015 FJR1300A. Sport Tourers are most definitely not pointless/suck. If you're doing a long trip, the size, comfort, weight (good for freeway stability), and cargo capacity and passenger room, plus other features like electronic cruise control are incredibly valuable.
Years ago I did a 5 day trip covering 1500 miles on my Honda 919 with an added windshield, hand guards, and comfort seat and it was pretty compromised. I much rather would've had the FJR for that trip.
I think the main fair point here is some of the larger ADV bikes like the Tiger, Superduke can arguable do as well as some sport tourers in some applications.
But if you're looking to do multi-thousand mile long trips and still want something than can handle twisties better than a Goldwing, Star Venture or other full on touring bike sport tourers are the best option.
Regardless of your actual experience, this seems like it was written by someone who's never actually ridden a sport touring bike. My 2015 Kawasaki GTR1400 begs to disagree with 80% of your video.
Practical, good fuel economy, super reliable, comfortable, looks amazing, and still fast as hell....but apparently it's trash not worth owning?? Lol, you need to put the blunt down, my dude. Sometimes "hot takes" are just dumb ideas and not actually clever arguments.
Its called Sensationalized BS argument that almost always deliberately ignores anything not convienient to the BS sensational point...the sad thing is new to sport sorts looking up to these gurus as authority over how they must think trusting they are actually being honest....makes one want to SCREAM and then unsubscribe
Spite should change his name to smug. He's proud of having figured nothing out.
Absolutely perfect analogy!!!
Spike's swing and miss here. he is way off the mark here.
Quote of the day!!
Sport touring bikes do NOT suck......if you really think that than I'd say your kind of a knucklehead. There's many many different kinds of bikes for different things. And sport touring bikes are beautiful for what their made for. = )
I have owned and ridden almost all styles of bikes, I mainly ride the bigger ones up to 1600 cc. I enjoy riding most of them and the most recent ride I did was around 6,000 miles on an FJR 1300 ES, the 2023 model. It's probably the bike that I enjoyed the most. It was comfortable, quick, and soooo much power, comparably to my R1 (by taking my breath away literally and put me in the zone). But then I can also use all 6 gears just to cruise on lower speeds. With all of it's accessories and side bags I can go anywhere with this bike.
I just got a Concours 14 and I love it. I was 100% adv up until this. I tried the GS and the Multistrada but this is a whole other thing. It’s like piloting the Rocinante. Forget the weight. Steering is lean angle limited and braking is skill limited, so why not be comfortable.
Love mine too she is a road beast, got rid of my Z1000 for the Connie because I wanted a bike I could do 500 plus mile days that was also as fun as the Z1000.
Thinking of trading my Harley for a C14
@@ccb7122 not sure what harley you have but those twins are loaded with torque so out the blocks hard to beat. If you have a need for speed and doing it in comfort the Connie is a great fit. She is a road beast.
I have the '11 Concours 14 w/only 14k Miles, literally a Cadillac on 2 wheels, luv it....
C14 is severely underrated. My 2010 eats everything in its way! Tune it and upgrade exhaust and you have a natural born killer!!
Does a video on how sport tourers suck then leaves out the three bikes that in my opinion define sport touring market. The Yamaha Tracer/GT the Kawasaki Ninja 1000SX and the BMW S 1000 XR.
You missed the best sport tourer in the market XD Ninja 1000sx, unforgivable! Edit: I don't think even manufacturers call those elephants "sport tourers" anymore, but just "tourers".
He missed a LOT of sport touring bikes. Willful ignorance to make a clickbait video lol.
Ninja 1000sx! really glad that I joined the club a year ago.
Same thought! The gsx s1000 is similar but honestly barely a tourer.
@@mymmy also , stuck in the 90s from a technology point of view. suzuki....
@@mymmy yeah! Position wise it looks like one but barely has space for a passenger or luggage. I also heard the engine is quite twitchy and difficult to master
Now I remember why I quit watching this dude . ST 1300 here
My 2019 FJR rules, it’s fast, comfortable solid ride and loaded. In sport mode it holds the line like none other. You can have your off roaders and get stuck in a mud hole.
Yammie, you should start a second channel and have Spite put all his videos over there.
You know.
So it's easier to ignore him.
lmao
LOL!! EXACTLY!!!!
Yeah, this isn't it Chief. 33 year old Connie 1400 owner here. Owned 2 road adventure bikes before and they're absolute garbage for the road only. Wind management and weather protection is awful. Both road adventure bikes had horrific buffeting, head bobbling, and wind noise that made me sell them. They offered almost no weather protection other than your stomach, so you might as well be riding a naked. While the Connie is heavier than either of my adventure sport bikes, they both handled like shit in comparison. The Connie handles like a sportbike and you can actually feel the feedback from the front end. The Tiger was downright scary in corners. Longer travel suspensions just don't transmit the same feel and confidence in corners. When you can get the amount of storage and passenger comfort on the RS660 or when you can get a sub-4000 mile H2SX for under $10k, let me know. I have a Street Triple R for a reason, and I don't want to do longer miles on it. I think my 175hp dad-missile is well fast and sporty enough for most mortals, and push comes to shove the STR would be sold in a heartbeat before the C14.
I have saddle time on a modern Connie 14. I agree with your assessment. Very good handling for her weight class. Super fun and comfy.
You are of course correct sir. Also the bikes they mentioned cant compare when considering carrying a passenger or highway performance. This was a dumb take imo
As another 1400 GTR owner (as they're called in other parts of the world) I can attest to everything you've said. Clearly the guy who posted this video up has either never ridden a Connie or just has shit awful taste in bikes. Asides from all the real world advantages to the connie over all the crap he mentioned in his video, it also looks much, *MUCH* nicer and has significantly better road presence. Magnificent machine.
I must agree the Concours has everything right. If the weight is a problem start with that 50lb potato cannon on the right side! Two brothers shaves all but 8 lbs off. While unfolding myself from sport bikes in my youth to nestled in comfort on my dad dream machine. The 2 machines that I have enjoyed the most zx14 and the Concours. Not in that order. And special consideration to the FJ!
@@chasefreedom5178 Yeah, I have a Delkevic on mine. I think the can was like 6 pounds.
You're way off. Sport tourer bikes now are like Yamaha Tracer 900 or the new Tracer 9 with 120 hp, less plastic and all the sports with extra comfort. It is a best seller in Europe for a reason. Also Yamaha Tracer 7 with the MT07 engine and all the Tracer 9 goodies. These are the modern ST bikes. You should test them. You haven't yet. They are a life changer...
The first time I spotted a tracer 9 in public I was so confused at what I was looking at.
I first thought some guy heavily modded an mt-09.
I had a yamaha FJR 1300. Was amazing. Totally reliable, fast, comfortable looked very sport like without the hard bags on etc.
I did my test ride with the tracer 9 GT, i can pick mine up in 2 weeks! Fantastic bike!
I don't think we can get the Tracer here in the USA... sadly.
This channel is “way off” on a lot of things. So this can’t surprise you.
I absolutely adore my 2002 Ducati ST4s. i'm 71, in good shape- i like the riding position... For the money, nothing comes close.
GSX1250F
Upright seating, wind protection, surprising cornering stability (I chase/outpace most of my sport bike friends), lots of storage options, affordable and lets not forget 80lbs of torque at 3,500rpm which is almost impossible for any sport bike to match, especially at that price. Cruise all day at 100-130mph issue free in comfort.
Do you have an aftermarket windshield? I find that the wind can get very annoying and loud already at 100-120 kph (60-75 mph) even though I'm wearing custom molded earplugs and a Shei GT Air 2. Been thinking of getting a different windshield, but the options seem like that they are not high enough to push the wind over me. Rn the wind hits me in the upper chest, which is fine, but I fear that an aftermarket windshiled would just worsen the problem by directing the wind straight to my face.
BTW, what jurisdictions do you ride in at 100mph plus without racking up massive speeding tickets? Nevada, and where else?
@@engrammi ive have a 17" and now trying a 19" vstream, still finding alot of buffeting at those speeds. Bought one of those cheap aftermarket little add on sheilds...works but the distortion is not to my liking, maybe a more expensive one would be clearer. Scorpiom 1400, ear plugs as well...I can tuck under the 19" wind sheild, uncomfortable but really quiet.
Angry Dad here, you skipped my bike, so of course I’m pissed! The Ninja 1000 SX doesn’t fit your narrative. Only $12,300 brand new, 142 HP and literally one of the best 2-up bikes out there. It will dust all the old expensive barges on your list. I heard you call it slow on a Yamcast a few weeks ago and I laughed out loud. It has literally twice the HP of your SuperMoto!
I have been watching your channel for years and I am a first time commenter so you must have touched a nerve. I know you might think that I am not in your target demographic, but you would be surprised about how many Angry Dads subscribe to your channel. You guys are entertaining and semi-informative! 😀
Sorry man, you're off the mark on this one. An ADV bike is great, if you have an intention of doing adv things with it, but it doesn't offer anywhere near the wind protection or comfort of something like an FJR for crushing miles. Speaking from personal experience, I owned a multistrada 1200s for 20,000 miles, and now I have an FJR and a T7. The 21 inch front on the t7 makes turn in a fair bit of effort once you get up to decent speed. The FJR is telepathic, hardly any effort for instant turn in, and it is SO much quieter with hardly any wind on you when riding - far less than the multistrada. If you're interested in doing some miles, and you don't care to go off-road, sport touring rigs DEFINITELY still have their place. It'll easily go for 150k miles, and I spent a whopping $4200 on it. Hard to beat. T7 is great off-road bike. It can do road trips, but in nowhere near the comfort.
This is a really bad video from an uninformed guy who never tried either bikes and can't see the difference between a sport touring and a naked with a fairing (also calling the FZ6 heavy, LOL)
How did you like the Ducati?
I came for why they suck, I get a history lesson instead.
This is the sort of review I would expect from a noob.
YN is in about 3rd grade on the biker experience scale. He has yet to realize a bike, the right bike, can take him across continents instead just across town.
It is a mistake to recommend a sports motorcycle to everyone, not everyone wants a super sports motorcycle and not everyone wants an adventure motorcycle, but let's listen to him, and ignore all the engineers of all brands to whom they pay thousands of dollars for their ideas and market research and sales results
everybody is entitled to their opinion. The annoying thing about this video (and other recent ones from this channel) is that opinion is presented as fact and honestly it just sounds ridiculous. Like the title of this vid, "Sport Touring Bikes Suck!" (because he says so ? ).
@@ioandragulescu6063 Yes, with his enormous experience (ego) he came to that conclusion, it is as ridiculous as saying "the color red sucks and I will prove it to you" 😂😂 although I think he only does it to get views even if it is offending people.
@@ioandragulescu6063 Yup, I'm right and if you don't agree with my lame reasoning, you're just an angry dad.
Most who would buy a true sport touring bike don't care that they're a bit heavy or that you can't drag knee through the dragon's tail. Obviously neither Spite nor Yam understand the concept of a bike with lots of power (yes 135 on a 600+ pound bike is still way more than enough) that's comfortable where a guy can load his wife and some luggage and strike out on a 2 week trip if they like and not even care if its raining cause while you're moving neither of you are getting that wet. When you've done your 300 - 500 miles for the day you turn a key and your luggage comes off to take into the motel with you.
Some of these he calls a sport-tourer aren't even close and a pillion would be crying for mercy and to get off after 50 miles.
No problems dragging a knee when i had my zzr 1200 and.still was doing 650 miles round trip every monday for a few months.
@@Loiczzr I don't doubt that at all brother and those are great bikes from everything I see. The biggest majority of this type of bike probably wouldn't be great when it comes to that though. I'd never even attempt it on my '88 GSX1100F, but I do love the power and wouldn't hesitate to use it on a long road trip.
Try to ride 15 hours on any of the options you mentioned. Sport touring motorcycles are not for everyone.
150 mile tour? Sounds to me like a regular Saturday morning to buy some bread and bbq meat on a naked bike
Man! You SOOOOO dropped the ball on this. I have a 2017 KTM Super Duke GT. Coming from a KTM RC8, I can tell you, this is a GREAT, if not THE BEST SPORT TOURING Motorcycle!! FULL STOP! It has all the tech goodies and even saddlebags, but she stops litre Super bikes. I do it all the time. Oh, and yeah, I am a dad! (I am a 56 yr old dad that rode track for a few years and climbs wind turbines, but yeah, I am a dad. I don't need my knees to hurt when I ride for 30 mins. I don't need my hands to get numb, either. Let's face it, adventure bikes are weird and ugly. Take a look at the 2017 Super Duke GT and you will see that KTM nailed it.
As an FJR dad bike owner I gotta say the bike is basically what you buy when you want a huge, comfy, absolute unit of a bike, but you don't want to go back to the 17th century and get an air cooled bagger.
I mean this thing is ridiculously comfortable and when you put on the dad spec aftermarket windshield you literally can ride in the rain without getting wet.
Also, I found out last weekend that you can drag knee on them which is pure comedy :)
That being said, there are better choices... mine was the best choice for me because I got it for $5600 lol.
Getting ready to take mine across the country soon. Love my FJR.
Just bought a 2013 bmw R1200RT for $4,000 as my “first” bike. At that price it was a no brainer
I'm looking at the fjr because price of older second hand ones are really cheap, seems like they are reliable , shaft drive and plentiful so should be easy to find a good example ..
"Without these sport tourers, we won't have the comfort features installed on ADVs"
Kudos to the guy who first thought of that
Nope sport tours can go the distance and best of all are fast and comfortable my 2019 Goldwing in sport mode moves and I can and do ride it all day oh and it's a Honda
I liken much of the ADV marketing to the 4wheel counterpart term "SUV" where it ordiginally was a class of vehicles truly designed to spend time offroad ...but then quickly the segment deteriorated in large part to just another body style that marketing people could use to convince the public was way cooler (for otherwise ignorant soccer moms especially) to be seen in than the now uncool "mini vans" which btw had years before entirely suplanted the once way cool "station wagons" of yesteryear in an identical manner! but I digress... My point is that motorcycle manufacturers now happily just mimic the lines of the ADV format on various models just to sell bikes....witness one such highly offensive (to me at least) offering being the BMW 1000XR a totally awesome sport touring bike they made LOOK quite ADVish even though it would no doubt be scary as hell to take offroad with it's 17" one piece wheels factory shod with way more sportbike like rubber. Personally I SO wish BMW had simply adjusted things on their AWESOME sport bike the 1000RR simply creating version of THAT with more comfortable egos etc...how hard would THAT be? NOT! ....I would no doubt own one by now had they done so....do you hear this BMW? You F'D up BAD on that one! WHAT in the F were you thinking dudes???
I'm 20 now, got my motorcycle license this year. Never thought about buying anything other than a Sport Tourer/Adventure Bike. Sport Bikes - bcuz mainstream and common: Expensive. To much power for public roads. Fuel intesive. Definition of uncomfortable. No possibility to carry luggage. Simply unnecessary. Sport Tourer: The perfect bike for daily riding & nice trips to your dream destination. That said, Sport Tourers & Adventure Bikes are the best, and you aren't an old man if you like them. Got my eyes set on a Tracer 7 GT, will buy either in Fall 2021 or Spring 2022.
I’m 6’6” and 300+ pounds. My KTM 1290 SAT is the perfect sport tourer for me.
The new Suzuki 1000ST and KTM 1290 Super Duke GT are also amazing bikes.
It’s so funny the entire motorcycle community breaks down into groups. People who only care about speed and power. People who hate technology. And then many sub groups. I fall into the group that likes it all. Comfort , enough power , dope tech , you name it.
H2 SX looks fantastic, however I also need to be able to pay for the insurance, so the Ninja 1000SX sounds much more reasonable. Need to test ride the performance tourer.
Yes! Yes! Yes! This channel has never talked about the ninja 1000 SX one time! The 1000 SX is the greatest price\performance bike EVER if you want to compare it to what these guys are talking about. It honestly deserves its own video show some damn respect!
Also ride a Yamaha Tracer 900 as a comparison. I don't regret it after 10K miles in 1 year
Sounds like a certain commentator has been butt hurt many of times by sport touring fast dads 😂
That old school vfr with that v4 music playing in the background on a back road…
Dude, don’t even try to hate.
The vfr was the most popular sport tourer
Honda VFR 1200F Yes it's heavy but the 1200 V4 is lovely and quick even pulling me at 250+ lbs. 600cc sport bikes 😂🤣😂🤣😂
My 07 K1200 GT was the best solo long distance bike I ever owned. 156hp, shaft drive, big gas tank, great storage & would drag the pegs. Longest day was 927 miles. Wish they still made it.
The problem with this is what we call sport tourer, a BMW RT is not an sport tourer, the sport router would be the R1250RS, the FJR isn´t sport-tourer either (IMO), sport tourers are the mentioned R1250RS, the Ninja 1000SX, the GSXS 1000F and the Ducati Supersport, that´s it. The RS660 is not an sport-tourer either, (it has nothing tourer on it, same with the CBR 650R) is just a comfortable sports bike (what people used to call F motorcycles)
No love for the Yamaha FZ/MT models, the MT09 or that renamed GT model touring bike? My 08 FZ-06 was a lot of fun to ride with a 5 gal tank. I could go all week as a daily rider doing 80 miles round trip. I wish I put on bags, I would have kept it longer. Now looking to get an upgrade.
@@andrewsmith9174 my best friend wanted a Tracer 9 GT, to me not a sports tourer, more like a Sporty Trail bike, good bike with great engine anyway
Agreed. This video was an ad for their giveaway bike. They're talking up a bike that they've gotten tired of riding after an hour and a half ? I've rode my ninja 1000sx 9 hours in one day. not even hopping off for fuel. ( God that day sucked and I didn't ride for like 2 weeks after )
@@andrewsmith9174 Great bikes, I think those would be considered comfortable sports bikes, right? I have a FZ6R, they call that sport touring but it seems more like a comfortable sports bike.
@@marcos1669 how is the Tracer a sporty trail bike and not a tourer?? It's can fit panniers and top box, comes with cruise control and heated grips, large windscreen for highways (even if its performance might be questionable) and can comfortably take a passenger...
Ummm...the interceptor wasn't a sport tourer when it came out. It was Honda's cutting edge sportbike of the time. But I am old enough to remember when they came out...I bought sport tourers because I wanted comfort and sporty for the street not the track. Adventure bikes have a taller seat height usually too.
I was gonna say exactly this. My VF500 is in no way meant for proper touring use. It's a naked sport bike more than anything. The reason I want a Tuono 1100 is because it's basically a modern version of the early Interceptor. Sporty, V4, more upright-ish ergonomics than a dedicated sport bike like a CBR or RSV4.
The VF500F (1985 model) was a fun and bloody fast little bike to ride!!
And no, definitely not a sportstourer, just sport!
He's not old enough to remember the 750 Interceptor was a Sport Bike, and the 750 Sabre with the optional fairing and bags was their Sport Tourer.
@@Dukerdr omgosh...guess I really am 53....but it's ok, I've owned more than 200 motorcycles and ridden hundreds of others...a life well lived I suppose. Ride safe all.
@@jonelliott9627 My remark was directed at the video producer, I was agreeing with you....I love sport tourers because they make the most sense of all bikes made. I have a tourer, a cruiser, several sport bikes ...and a sport tourer. It truly is the "one bike to rule them all."
Damn dude, skipped over the R1250RS, the ACTUAL bike the R100RS turned into, also hurt because you skipped my Ninja1000SX, the clear choice if you want a sport tourer, that's still sport and tourer...
Most motorcycle journalists overlook the R1250RS, it's probably BMW's best kept secret and a highly capable sport bike that is a decent tourer when you need it to be.
@@LonelyTreeSunset absolute blast of a bike, BMW really needs to push them more
I watched the video all the way to the end because I was waiting for the Ninja 1000SX
Been thru my Adv bike phase (Versys, 1290), back on an FJR. This guy is too young to know. Hell, I may even go back to a GW.
Wrong. Just wrong. I’m not an angry dad, I’m a dad that’s right and been riding 35+ years ago. The only thing about it was the “Ewan” factor and the advent of adventure bikes, manly the GS. The FJR 1300 was amazing, powerful and surely not only for highly miles….did you ever rode one? Don’t think so. I’m in southern Europe where we have no straits, and I own one. I can bet you wouldn’t catch me in anything less then a R1! Slow….ha ha ha ha. The difference is you can have fun along a 15 days trips with all your stuff and in comfort. The RT just doesn’t make sense because of the existence of the GSA. Disclaimer: Ps: well I now own a GSA, but in my defense I do go off road (SUV Style) in Africa so I think I have a true reason.
I understand that if you own 3 bikes and can ride dozens of different ones for your job, sport tourers might be the least interesting type to ride. One question: Have you ever ridden an FZ6? Boi I'm telling you, the grin gifting motor of an R6, and so comfy you can enjoy it for hours. One bike to satisfy most of your needs :D
More a semantics discussion than a motorcycle discussion. Tell the kids I smoke on their sports bikes that my R1250RT can’t carve up a twisty road!
I love my zx-14r. Super comfortable and faster than anything I’ve come up against
1400 GTR (Concours14) uses ZX-14 engine but with tweaked variable valve timing, the best shaft drive system of any motorcycle to date (even much better than BMWs) and an overall highly refined machine that is much more comfortable than a zx-14. Don;t get me wrong I love the zx-14r but in line of the topic of the video surrounding touring / long distance hauls, the mighty 1400 GTR (aka 'Fat Ninja') wins hands down with its best of all worlds package and even greater road presence.
My main takeaway -> if you think 150 miles in a weekend is a long ride, you're weren't qualified to make this video as most FJR or R1250 RT owners do stints longer then that, let alone consider 150 miles a ride. We also don't ride highways and tear up twisties all day long on them. The use of power and weight in this video is disinformation as you neglect to compare fuel and other fluid volume to your coveted naked bikes which would start to explain some of the differences; an FJR carries around an extra 24 lbs of just gasoline compared to most naked bikes, let alone oil and coolant. Furthermore, an FJR is still in solid shape with 60,000 miles on it with minimal maintenance where as many of the naked bikes on the market today are getting heads rebuilt and timing chain guides replaced. I guess you're ultimately getting what you want from this video, a comment and a complaint to put money in your pocket and fuel another flashy and wrong video that puts more money in your pocket....
Love the Connie 14, great riding position, performs with litre bikes, eats interstate. Only draw back is tire mileage, but that comes with the higher end performance, I have yet to get over 7500 miles on a set.
I have a 2009 Kawasaki Concours 1400, my favorite and most reliable bike I have ever owned. Bulletproof after 123,000 smiling miles so far 👍
Ahhhh you got the leg cook'n Connie, I have the same '11 redesign and another whole animal you must get an '11 or up youl thank me😊
The bmw K1200S/K1300S are the true definition of what a "sport touring" bike should be. Own them both, trust me they don't lack in any department.
Absolutely correct love my k1200r my favorite bike I own after I fixed the bugs because it's an 06 so it had all the stupid fuckups from bmw still figuring it out lol
my first sport tour experience was on a k1200r. Sweet jeebus on a ICBM that thing just pulled and pulled and pulled. Then 12Gt then 13Gt.
One day I will own an FJR, used, low miles because I live 4 hours south of Silverton, Co. , and I am getting too old to ride the 990 smt roundtrip in one day.
My favorite bike I owned was a K1300GT, three hard cases, great electronic windscreen, etc etc. it would fall into curves and ride them like a rail. I wish they made a modern version of it. The problem for my aging bones was the height and weight. Still should not have sold it