The people demand an update after the last upload about feeling like you wasted your 20s online Got a new job in tech? Had an epiphany and pulled a "Luke Smith"? Secretly involved with the XZ utils backdoor? 😅
I would say the fact that you can install and use significantly more open source applications even on the default Android on OEMS leaves it slightly better in my opinion in terms of privacy.
What you're missing is that Android does have more places where it takes your data but it's also possible to stop it if you just do a little work where a lot of the stuff that Apple does you have no recourse
You may encounter some argument in how they tend to be more restrictive about what third party entities can do vs say, android opening the floodgates. But that's to dismiss what apple does in their place.
well, not exactly no reason, but i do admit it's sort of misguided. the intention is to just know if the device has *possibly* been tampered with. you're not supposed to trust the client (whatever application is making requests to your server) so you place in server side or third party checks to verify the client
@@joshuah345 ok ikr, it's DRM, but e.g. even mcdonalds app requires attested device to activate offer. I know they have done it, because they were shipping client side coupon exchange to free offer many times. So exactly, here it was no reason other than greedy mcdonalds app team searching cheapest solution.
Welcome back! I'm glad you found some new inspiration to doing videos, yours are truly some of the very few that give me this nostalgic feeling of early 2010's TH-cam.
Despite disagreeing with some of you points at the end, this is at least a more honest presentation than something an Apple shill like Techlore would push out.
@@EricMurphyxyz Note: Since I have a habit of long-winded ranting, I tried keeping my response to a minimum. Guess I'll start with the "Apple collects less data than Google". This is a case where people should be concerned about the type of data being collected versus the quantity. Even if Apple technically collects "less", if they're collecting the same types of data as Google, then it's a moot point. Despite the data collection, at least many Android phones do have the option to install custom roms, with many models still offering a removable battery. I would happily take a cheap Android phone over an iPhone any day because of the removable battery alone. At least a user could ACTUALLY turn off their phone, instead of "hoping" it's off like with all iPhones. As for "Threat Modeling", there's a big flaw in the concept that nobody seems to acknowledge: lack of minimum standards. Yes, threat models are personal and not everyone needs Snowden-level protections. However, if there are no minimums to at least strive for how do we know we've made significant improvements? Choosing a certain phone or computer operating system isn't going to help much if the user doesn't also adopt better privacy habits. For the record, I'm not blaming this particular point on you for this since it's something that's been overlooked by most channels.
My biggest gripe from this video is the notion that google=android. The beauty of android is that there’s hundreds of different options if you don’t like google. Some of the apps are basically forced to be google like the play store for example, but the vast majority can be any app your desire
Google has massive control over android and its foolish not to not associate them with each other. Most phones come with google baked in and google is the main source of funding and contributions to android open source. Unless you want to install custom, often unmaintained ROMs, google is a core part of android.
@@lunchbox1341 AOSP has literally no Google in it. GrapheneOS is only more hardened, it provides a way to have google services but in a sandbox. And AOSP is you guessed it, made by Google. So you can install AOSP, or Graphene, or Lineage, or Calys, or whatever the hell you want and only allow as much Google in as YOU want.
The only way to get privacy on Apple, Android Mac or PC is to be some what anonymous on line. You need a fake email address and a fake name for your Apple ID. The avoided device finger printing is to youse meltable search engine for every search.
I am not sure if this is supposed to be a joke. Just to be sure, I would strongly encourage anyone to not purchase a phone with a custom rom preinstalled. They can be coded with spyware that collects more data than what Google does, and can even be government honeypots. See the ANOM phone for reference.
i didn’t have the time to watch the video but I think that they care as much about privacy like every other company, but they do it differently and well thorough.
Great video. Your privacy is safe in their garden. Only nieve Apple users would believe that the most restrictive and manipulative tech company isn't applying their same policies to your data as they do YOUR devices 🤷♂️
Good video great analysis. I think that the more and more the devices become sophisticated and close to us the more the privacy question will become crucial. Apple is just anticipating...
I live in latam and here many criminals and narcos use iphones and not really for the luxury but because the privacy instead of android (I know you can have a better privacy on android if you do some tweaks and use a custom rom, but I doubt those idiots knows that, they just want something that works out of the box) and no, I’m not glorifying narcos or criminals, instead of what people can think thanks to movies or series, here most of the people thinks that they are a cancer in the society. only a minority thinks that they are heroes or some bs
I’m glad this stuff is being brought to light. But I also remember the time there was a shooting in San Bernardino and the FBI recovered an iPhone from the shooter and they wanted Apple to unlock the phone as they believed it contained important information. Apple said no and didn’t unlock the phone for them. They said they didn’t want to create a back door for the iPhone as this would affect other users
you misunderstood this case. They only said no to the Feds since they are "just" a low tier player in the world of agencies. The FBI went to some other three letter dudes, who do get access to 0-days and got it unlocked anyway. Apple didn't want to make a public statement and admit that their phones can be backdoored (bec that's bad publicity).
I'll say Apple is really trying to sell Privacy to the average user, like Lock Down mode or going after the NSO group, and that can be seen as competition. Competition benefits the users. Some competition in the right direction is still something.
Basic Android might still be worth it if you change settings and use privacy focused apps, though that takes more effort than just using iPhone out of the box. Then whole other issue is mobile service provider tracking you.
@@mr.s4ndman the video isn't about escaping Google lol. If someone wants ultimate privacy then this video isn't for them when it is more centered around convenient privacy (at least the point made in favor of iOS).
@@mr.s4ndman Not entirely for sure, but you can still get quite close escape google on stock android by using ADB and yes even remove play services and install something like MicroG which still gives compability to alot of apps requring play services. For most thats the only option as using custom roms isn't supported on their device
This was fun to watch. Not too long ago, I jumped the ship from a lifetime of Apple, and basically gave my life to Google. Yes, I dug into my account as far as I could to theoretically "turn off" any available tracking and data retention options, but then what? I don't much matter anywhere at any point anyway to even myself let alone anyone else, so I really don't care at the end of the day what Google gets out of what life I have left on this globe. I love Android, fell in love with the capabilities of high end Chromebooks, and as far as my digital life goes, I'm a reasonably happy camper, dancing with the devil :)
I don't really agree with the conclusion. Google phones are way better for privacy than iPhones.Sure, they collect more data by default, but at least you can opt out by installing a custom rom (such as lineage calyx and /e/ os etc.) . Saying that its technical is not true, on a Google pixel device you can get any rom up and running in less than 10 minutes. You might only call it complicated or "hackerish" if you need to compile and port a rom for an unsupported device .Google is also the only manufacturer I know that allows re-locking the bootloader making a custom rom as secure as private.
I think you're overestimating the technical capabilities of the average person. Most people in my life would have absolutely no idea how to do such a thing much less deal with the workarounds required to use a de-Googled phone. I have several friends that care about privacy but have barely any technical knowledge, and of course I would recommend an iPhone over a custom Android ROM for them.
@@EricMurphyxyz I would recommend a pixel instead. Installing grapheneos on supported models is literally just clicking a button on a website. Also finding alternatives to google services wouldn't even be necessary since it has sandboxed google play, that works the same.
@@xb6xx I will confirm what Eric already said. The average person has trouble with copy pasting text. They have trouble finding apps that are "hidden" in a launcher. I worked for almost 4 years in a phone repair store who constantly faced such questions and it's mind boggling how little the average person knows. Deem yourself lucky, since you belong to a minority of around 0,5 percent of the global population who knows technology deeper than a squirrel.
I am using Graphene OS and even I am not safe from trackers since I install apps and they collect what I do inside of them, these apps use Google or Meta analytics software and both Google and Meta know my IP-address, they can easily join these pieces of data together and create a profile of me. I am losing hope in online privacy and doesnt get in a way of living like everybody else - applying to universities, using banking apps and gov services apps. But even if I completely lose any hope in remaining as private as possible, then I will look at Apple tech the last since they are just a book defeinition of a proprietary un-auditable shit and would rather use Samsung or Google phones(and linux laptop)
I'll be honest, iCloud was the FIRST thing that I disabled when getting an iPhone 13. I no longer use an iPhone though. How obtuse transferring music/files/photos to and from the device (almost as if they want you using iCloud), the lack of sideloading, lack of splitscreen multitasking, no USB C (This isn't an issue now at least), and no home screen customization (also no transparent widgets or five icon rows) is what made me switch back to Android.
What i have learned is Apple Apps are not linked to Google like Play store. You can actually delete Google on iphone. Android you csn only disable google services. I prefer Android but i dont like google etiher
Apple users their own trackers. Apple's also an advertising company so they're not really better than Google in that regard... It's easier to use a DNS blocker on android so that helps a lot.
Sorry but apple isn't a choice for me even if it is more private. I prefer the open and less restrictive design of android such as sideloading. Besides I can still reclaim my privacy by using graphene or lineage os. Same for pc, you can grab atlasOS or winaero tweaker. These are mostly advertised as tools to enhance performance by shutting off all the unnecessary microsoft services and processes. However, this also enhances privacy as a direct result of this as these tools are disabling telemetry and other shit that can spy on you.
New videos coming weekly, sorry for the wait 😅
I was just wondering what happened with you lol
Glad to see you back.
let's goooo
@@Dexxenyr See his penultimate video
The people demand an update after the last upload about feeling like you wasted your 20s online
Got a new job in tech?
Had an epiphany and pulled a "Luke Smith"?
Secretly involved with the XZ utils backdoor? 😅
It's not April 1st, it's real. Welcome back
It's only "privacy" because it's not shared with a third party (allegedly) [Citation needed].
Welcome back 🫡
back like he never left. #lifeWastedOnTheInternet
his landlord reminded him that rent is overdue 🔥🔥
landchads stay winning
@@redcoat4348fuck landlords
Landlords are literally just housing scalpers
@@redcoat4348 tf lol
landlords are the worst
Before I watch the video, let me first say...
Lmao, of course not!
Search up Louis Rossmann, he'll do the explaining
Louis Rossmann is based
Louis Rossmann, is he the cat who also features a boring human ranting about repair rights? /s
Oh nvm he mentioned Louis in the video LOL
Definitely .
Louis is notorious for being an Apple hater so I’d rather get advice from an unbiased source.
We have missed you Eric! Welcome back!
I hope you had a great break, but I am glad you are back, hopefully with some more great insights :)
Thanks! I've been itching to make some more videos for a little while now.
I would say the fact that you can install and use significantly more open source applications even on the default Android on OEMS leaves it slightly better in my opinion in terms of privacy.
My brother in Christ Google is deeply burnt into the Android code, there is no escaping
@@mr.s4ndman wrong
HE'S BACK GUYS
We are so back
Been quite the while
What you're missing is that Android does have more places where it takes your data but it's also possible to stop it if you just do a little work where a lot of the stuff that Apple does you have no recourse
And when the world needed him the most...
...he came back!
Jokes aside, glad to have one more voice in privacy and big tech bs issues.
just today i thought too bad you are not making videos anymore... glad to have you back
I do not know why people think apple is so private but they're not actually private
Marketing
Marketing
You may encounter some argument in how they tend to be more restrictive about what third party entities can do vs say, android opening the floodgates. But that's to dismiss what apple does in their place.
we already lost battle since "developers" introduced device attestations (play integrity check, previously safetynet) to their apps for no reason
well, not exactly no reason, but i do admit it's sort of misguided. the intention is to just know if the device has *possibly* been tampered with. you're not supposed to trust the client (whatever application is making requests to your server)
so you place in server side or third party checks to verify the client
@@joshuah345 ok ikr, it's DRM, but e.g. even mcdonalds app requires attested device to activate offer. I know they have done it, because they were shipping client side coupon exchange to free offer many times. So exactly, here it was no reason other than greedy mcdonalds app team searching cheapest solution.
glad you are back ! i thought you had quit yt 😂
i love your simplicity of explanations.
Them: "Is apple respect your privacy?"
Me: "No. It unrespect's your wallet"
Apple just eliminated other corps from tracking you. Consequently, Facebook had a very large loss but Apple makes money by it.
Welcome back! I'm glad you found some new inspiration to doing videos, yours are truly some of the very few that give me this nostalgic feeling of early 2010's TH-cam.
Eric! Glad you're back man! I'm so happy, really! i hope you are good.
Despite disagreeing with some of you points at the end, this is at least a more honest presentation than something an Apple shill like Techlore would push out.
Thanks, I tried to give a balanced perspective. Which points did you disagree on?
@@EricMurphyxyz Note: Since I have a habit of long-winded ranting, I tried keeping my response to a minimum.
Guess I'll start with the "Apple collects less data than Google". This is a case where people should be concerned about the type of data being collected versus the quantity. Even if Apple technically collects "less", if they're collecting the same types of data as Google, then it's a moot point.
Despite the data collection, at least many Android phones do have the option to install custom roms, with many models still offering a removable battery. I would happily take a cheap Android phone over an iPhone any day because of the removable battery alone. At least a user could ACTUALLY turn off their phone, instead of "hoping" it's off like with all iPhones.
As for "Threat Modeling", there's a big flaw in the concept that nobody seems to acknowledge: lack of minimum standards. Yes, threat models are personal and not everyone needs Snowden-level protections. However, if there are no minimums to at least strive for how do we know we've made significant improvements? Choosing a certain phone or computer operating system isn't going to help much if the user doesn't also adopt better privacy habits. For the record, I'm not blaming this particular point on you for this since it's something that's been overlooked by most channels.
My biggest gripe from this video is the notion that google=android. The beauty of android is that there’s hundreds of different options if you don’t like google. Some of the apps are basically forced to be google like the play store for example, but the vast majority can be any app your desire
Google has massive control over android and its foolish not to not associate them with each other. Most phones come with google baked in and google is the main source of funding and contributions to android open source. Unless you want to install custom, often unmaintained ROMs, google is a core part of android.
The average normie isn’t gonna install/use a custom de-googled android, they are just gonna use the pre-installed android that comes with their phone.
@@lunchbox1341 AOSP has literally no Google in it. GrapheneOS is only more hardened, it provides a way to have google services but in a sandbox. And AOSP is you guessed it, made by Google. So you can install AOSP, or Graphene, or Lineage, or Calys, or whatever the hell you want and only allow as much Google in as YOU want.
The only way to get privacy on Apple, Android Mac or PC is to be some what anonymous on line. You need a fake email address and a fake name for your Apple ID. The avoided device finger printing is to youse meltable search engine for every search.
End to end encryption means absolutely nothing on closed source hardware
Glad to see you back. I hope to see more Linux videos in the future :)
Instead of installing your own privacy-focused custom ROM onto an Android phone, there are companies that will sell you one pre-installed.
I am not sure if this is supposed to be a joke. Just to be sure, I would strongly encourage anyone to not purchase a phone with a custom rom preinstalled. They can be coded with spyware that collects more data than what Google does, and can even be government honeypots. See the ANOM phone for reference.
thank god u r back. hopefully u are doing well. no need for videos weekly, put out something u can sustain and are happy with
Glad to see you back Eric! 7 months is crazy man
Glad to see you posting again :)
Thanks, more to come :)
Yay 😁 You’re back!! Happy to see you and your great vids. 😊
I thought u would disappear into woods lol.but you r BACK!
Don’t nobody care about privacy period I thought apple was more secure obviously I was wrong
Welcome back brother!
Nice to see you bro! Welcome back
Or you could use free and open source apps, which are more allowed on Android than on iOS
i'm just gonna request ya make that rossmann-style apple rant video because... well we all need a good rant sometimes 🧐
Haha, maybe someday :)
Nice to see you back :)
He's alive!!
i didn’t have the time to watch the video but I think that they care as much about privacy like every other company, but they do it differently and well thorough.
Great video. Your privacy is safe in their garden. Only nieve Apple users would believe that the most restrictive and manipulative tech company isn't applying their same policies to your data as they do YOUR devices 🤷♂️
Happy to see you back brother
thanks man love ur content about privacy
Glad to have you back!
1:22 made my eyebrows raise. Facebook might be saying W after what happened
Why they protect user's data? To keep it themselves.
Does Apple like money?
Then answer is so obvious.
OMG welcome back Luke Smith №2! I wish №1 would come back as well...
He's back
"Return of the King Lord of Rings png image" welcome back!
Google maps just recently got and on device privacy thing I'm pretty sure, unless you decide you want to back it up to the cloud
Happy you’re back!
Short answer: Both
Long answer: depend on Apple, they can take any information they want, they just choose not to sell it to others
They're an advertising company. It's wild that so many people don't know that.
Welcome back 🤠
Welcome back bro
Apple is better at default but Android can be made to be even more private if you have technical knowledge
Good video great analysis. I think that the more and more the devices become sophisticated and close to us the more the privacy question will become crucial. Apple is just anticipating...
Welcome back privacybro
I live in latam and here many criminals and narcos use iphones and not really for the luxury but because the privacy instead of android (I know you can have a better privacy on android if you do some tweaks and use a custom rom, but I doubt those idiots knows that, they just want something that works out of the box)
and no, I’m not glorifying narcos or criminals, instead of what people can think thanks to movies or series, here most of the people thinks that they are a cancer in the society. only a minority thinks that they are heroes or some bs
lol unless you go off grid, you will always be followed
I don’t like the fact they were willing to go through iCloud Photos, no matter what it’s for.
fun fact: Apple refused to give the FBI someone's iPhone 5C data and files
I think they made it as "Marketing"
instead they sell your data themselves
And... They still got it.
Fun fact, the whole thing was made up to promote "Apple security" and "your data is safe with us *evil laugh*"
I’m glad this stuff is being brought to light. But I also remember the time there was a shooting in San Bernardino and the FBI recovered an iPhone from the shooter and they wanted Apple to unlock the phone as they believed it contained important information. Apple said no and didn’t unlock the phone for them. They said they didn’t want to create a back door for the iPhone as this would affect other users
you misunderstood this case. They only said no to the Feds since they are "just" a low tier player in the world of agencies. The FBI went to some other three letter dudes, who do get access to 0-days and got it unlocked anyway. Apple didn't want to make a public statement and admit that their phones can be backdoored (bec that's bad publicity).
I'll say Apple is really trying to sell Privacy to the average user, like Lock Down mode or going after the NSO group, and that can be seen as competition. Competition benefits the users. Some competition in the right direction is still something.
Basic Android might still be worth it if you change settings and use privacy focused apps, though that takes more effort than just using iPhone out of the box.
Then whole other issue is mobile service provider tracking you.
You can't escape Google while using stock Android. The OS only is worth it if you find a fairly good de-Googled custom ROM.
@@mr.s4ndman the video isn't about escaping Google lol.
If someone wants ultimate privacy then this video isn't for them when it is more centered around convenient privacy (at least the point made in favor of iOS).
@@mr.s4ndman Not entirely for sure, but you can still get quite close escape google on stock android by using ADB and yes even remove play services and install something like MicroG which still gives compability to alot of apps requring play services. For most thats the only option as using custom roms isn't supported on their device
He's back!! Lessgo
Return of the king!
Touched enough grass? :)
Welcome back!
another reason to get an android with a custom rom (the best one is Graphene OS for a pixel phone)
I play games on console since Sony and Microsoft can get way less data on you compared to if you play on a Windows PC
Of course they're not completely honest in their clams, show me one company that is.
Dude what the fuck is this timeline
1984 seems like a joyride
Finally you back
loved to see a usable linux phone like the pine ....but until then,degoogled custom roms like official los
Oh man, You finally showed up.
Welcome back!!
Short summary: No lol. Imagine trusting a big company like Apple to care about your internet privacy
By the way, the algorithm punishes you if you take long breaks from uploading (though I don't know you'd care about that)
Yep, gonna be more consistent about uploads from here on out.
This was fun to watch. Not too long ago, I jumped the ship from a lifetime of Apple, and basically gave my life to Google. Yes, I dug into my account as far as I could to theoretically "turn off" any available tracking and data retention options, but then what? I don't much matter anywhere at any point anyway to even myself let alone anyone else, so I really don't care at the end of the day what Google gets out of what life I have left on this globe. I love Android, fell in love with the capabilities of high end Chromebooks, and as far as my digital life goes, I'm a reasonably happy camper, dancing with the devil :)
finally something really nice to watch :]
I don't really agree with the conclusion. Google phones are way better for privacy than iPhones.Sure, they collect more data by default, but at least you can opt out by installing a custom rom (such as lineage calyx and /e/ os etc.) . Saying that its technical is not true, on a Google pixel device you can get any rom up and running in less than 10 minutes. You might only call it complicated or "hackerish" if you need to compile and port a rom for an unsupported device .Google is also the only manufacturer I know that allows re-locking the bootloader making a custom rom as secure as private.
I think you're overestimating the technical capabilities of the average person. Most people in my life would have absolutely no idea how to do such a thing much less deal with the workarounds required to use a de-Googled phone. I have several friends that care about privacy but have barely any technical knowledge, and of course I would recommend an iPhone over a custom Android ROM for them.
@@EricMurphyxyz I would recommend a pixel instead. Installing grapheneos on supported models is literally just clicking a button on a website. Also finding alternatives to google services wouldn't even be necessary since it has sandboxed google play, that works the same.
@@xb6xx I will confirm what Eric already said. The average person has trouble with copy pasting text. They have trouble finding apps that are "hidden" in a launcher. I worked for almost 4 years in a phone repair store who constantly faced such questions and it's mind boggling how little the average person knows. Deem yourself lucky, since you belong to a minority of around 0,5 percent of the global population who knows technology deeper than a squirrel.
Yes that is the correct thing
How bad is Microsoft these days?
Tim Apple dropped the ball.
King is back 👑
I am using Graphene OS and even I am not safe from trackers since I install apps and they collect what I do inside of them, these apps use Google or Meta analytics software and both Google and Meta know my IP-address, they can easily join these pieces of data together and create a profile of me.
I am losing hope in online privacy and doesnt get in a way of living like everybody else - applying to universities, using banking apps and gov services apps. But even if I completely lose any hope in remaining as private as possible, then I will look at Apple tech the last since they are just a book defeinition of a proprietary un-auditable shit and would rather use Samsung or Google phones(and linux laptop)
Babe wake up, new Eric Murphy video 🗣️🗣️
1:55 Why does Apple collect infos about the users device, they make the products.
short answer: no
I'll be honest, iCloud was the FIRST thing that I disabled when getting an iPhone 13.
I no longer use an iPhone though. How obtuse transferring music/files/photos to and from the device (almost as if they want you using iCloud), the lack of sideloading, lack of splitscreen multitasking, no USB C (This isn't an issue now at least), and no home screen customization (also no transparent widgets or five icon rows) is what made me switch back to Android.
degoogled custom rom ....till a usable linux phone like the pine attempt
I actually both own an iPhone and a pixel with graphene os installed
0:13 lol
Love to install a custom rom but it's difficult to find and install
It's extremely easy, actually, the real problem is how inconvenient it is in the modern world
Great video Thank you
I am in actual romantic love with GrapheneOS.
I don't get it. While technically Apple is marginally better, practically they are not better.
Can you make a video of the volla phone?
No, no they don't
What i have learned is Apple Apps are not linked to Google like Play store. You can actually delete Google on iphone. Android you csn only disable google services.
I prefer Android but i dont like google etiher
Apple users their own trackers. Apple's also an advertising company so they're not really better than Google in that regard...
It's easier to use a DNS blocker on android so that helps a lot.
Sorry but apple isn't a choice for me even if it is more private. I prefer the open and less restrictive design of android such as sideloading. Besides I can still reclaim my privacy by using graphene or lineage os.
Same for pc, you can grab atlasOS or winaero tweaker. These are mostly advertised as tools to enhance performance by shutting off all the unnecessary microsoft services and processes. However, this also enhances privacy as a direct result of this as these tools are disabling telemetry and other shit that can spy on you.