Thrustmaster T.16000m FCS HOTAS and X52 Pro Comparison
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- Thanks for taking the time to watch! Here are a couple links to purchase the Thrustmaster T.16000m FCS HOTAS
I realized after uploading there were a few times I misspoke and called this the T1600 and a typo at the end of the video calling this a T.6000m. Because I uploaded this at 1080p 60fps and in a effort to save myself 4 hours, I figured a simply "Sorry, you know what I meant to say" would be good enough for you fine people :)
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Your sound is really good. I have 7.1 headphones and the audio is amazing. I can hear you in 360. Freaking m,e out.
I wish the T.16000m was still $130. Prices has more than doubled. The warthog is now sitting around $1k. Talk about unreasonably jacking prices up.
Hands ON throttle and stick* not off
Idk, I personally prefer to play with my feet so I think it's right
After owning both for quite a while now I do actually prefer the X52 Pro in most games except if you need a really good analog hat. Which the 16000m throttle has and the X52 does not. The small mouse nub on the X52 can be programmed as such but its extremely limited throw distance makes it nearly impossible to make micro corrections.
Just download my program for the x52 for Elite Dangerous and get a complete hotas experience.
Thanks for the update. It might be a good idea to pin this comment to the top as there are quite a few comments asking for an update like this. Also, would be good if you give a couple of lines about why your prefer the X52 Pro. Thanks man!
@@matthewwagner4042 what program?
@@CrateCrasher Check my channel's videos...
@@matthewwagner4042 thank you!
This is a great Hotas for Elite. And yes the Analogue stick on the back of the throttle is amazing for use with lateral and vertical thrusters. I've had this a week now and am very happy indeed. The stick has NO DEAZONE so you will get 1 to 1 movement with the in game pilots arms.
5:36 - I wasn't aware of that - thanks a lot!
That's a good review right there right there. I just heard about this unit today and I'm pretty impressed so far. That analogue stick on the throttle looks really handy comparing to the 4-way hat on my x52 Pro, which is starting to wear out to where I needed to add some deadzone in Elite.
The T.16000 FCS has many more buttons than the x52, and some things like the two-stage trigger, two rotaries, the slider, the mode switching, and the MFD (that likes to create new ways to spell the word "profile") just never get used. Only in Rise of Flight did I use the rotaries and slider for things like mixture and radiator control.
Also, Amazon ships this to Australia, so woooooooo.
in ED, you can link the slider to the radar power. i did and it's awesome
There is no 4-way hat on the X52. You probably don't even own the stick. Just a random Thrustmaster fanboy trashtalking.
@mrvei It's a 8 way hat, not a 4 way. You missed the point. He's saying how can you own the stick and not even know what's on it.
"some things like the two-stage trigger, two rotaries, the slider, the mode switching, and the MFD (that likes to create new ways to spell the word "profile") just never get used"
- Lylat Wars player
The X52s analog stick works fine for us over in DCS, as we tend to use them to slew the laser for laser guided bombs and things like that.
Quick question here: did you use the Logitech software to change the purpose of the mini-stick from controlling the mouse to a proper axis usable in DCS? Because I was not able to assign the mini-stick's axis to any control in DCS and I could really use another axis for laser guided bombs as you said...
@@evnorr9832 I'm was about to make the same question lol
You did not even mention the magnetic sensors that the stick uses. Zero noise and very small deadzone.
Very solid review and comparison. Great video. Exactly what I was looking for.
The clicks on the X52 pro are for activating the afterburners
yes but when you are doing somr aerial refueling it sucks
Man I wish I could get a happy medium between this and the X52. Been using the X52 for over a decade, mostly with FSX and now ED and SC. I like a lot of the features you showed, but not having the pinky trigger may be a deal breaker for me. I use the pinky trigger for Flight Assist Off in ED, and Uncoupled in SC. Basically the same but the physics are a bit different. In combat in both games I switch back and forth between them constantly, and Voice Attack just doesn't react fast enough or reliably enough to use it that way. Thanks for the up close look and comparison.
I get you would want it to have the same trigger for the same action, but you could easily adapt to using a thumb button on the throttle for that kind of thing that you need easy access to.
Very informative, I'm gonna get the T16000 on this review. I've been using a very 'bare' joystick for BoS so I'm looking forward to far more in flight success. Thanks.
Thanks for the video,and you are right about not being more videos out there on this item.I just order it and I am very excited.I have being playing consoles for 15 years and got into PC gaming 10 years ago.for a old cat like me that loves videogames, I hope is not as difficult to learn to use.
I'm a Logitech guy. Their products last, function well.. I'll also be getting an X52 Pro because it looks less like a toy.. Indeed, thrustmaster products look cheaper.
Keep in mind the X52 Pro is only Logitech branded. Saitek designed, developed and built both the X52 and X52 Pro many years ago and it has not been changed externally or internally by Logitech in any way. Logitech bought out Saitek and simply re-branded it. Only the X56 was modified by Logitech because of some mechanical issues
@@PCPAyLOAD Perhaps this is the case, but if Logitech approves of the quality, then I in turn approve of it. I'll be sure to tell you how I like it here in a few days though!
@@PCPAyLOAD I have it now! It's a beautiful HOTAS and a blast to use! I'm more than happy with my purchase. Flying around in Elite Dangerous with the X52 Pro is the most fun I've ever had with the game.
@@swifter46ter how is it now?
@@jamesc5867 Still as good as day 1. I 3d printed a small attachment that tightens up the spring and it's even better. Unfortunately the game I got it for, Elite, is now a dumpster fire of a game. At least there's flight sim and Star Wars: Squadrons. My X52 did indeed last and is a blast to use in VR. I couldn't recommend it more even after a year of use.
The t16000 look deceptively cheap and kind hoaky but it uses the same Hall effect sensors as the warthog, biggest con for me are the generic buttons on the base of the stick, overall really solid offering at its price point and it actually works
Man, you just convinced me to buy the thrustmaster one, I'm just playing MS Fligh Simulator and I was between those two, being the thrustmaster the cheaper one, thanks!
I have no use for buttons on a joystick on the base period,the more buttons on the handle by my fingers the better, the distance between my hand on the joystick and those buttons on the base is about 3000 miles,thats why its been so hard for me to get rid of my old logitech but its showing its age and sooner or later it will be time for upgrading,gonna have to start shopping soon and this one here doesn't look like its gonna be on my list but who knows?
Thanks for the tension settings, getting mine and a week and I didn't know that, will %100 do when I get it ...... I like em tight!
I've had this set for almost a year now and have never set it up till now . I have done the slider upgrade already and the pot to hall sensor upgrade so I can't give a factory review I never used it straight out of the box . The reason I did the upgrades straight out of the box is ... well I'm broke and most likely will not be able to ever get another stick of any kind . I did the upgrade so it would last longer . The pot in the stick tends to fail after a year or so and its super easy upgrade . The same with the slider upgrade .
It's funny you say the stronger spring is more realistic, I'm looking for the comparison you're making because I have the old 16000M and for me, the springs are WAY too strong, and not at all what I'm used to by flying real aircraft. They are actually way more gradual, they don't have this strong centering like on the 16000M. The X52 seems more appealing to me exactly for that, I'm still on the fence because of the throttle side.
I don't know what people think that strong springs are realist, it kills the precision and the realism, on real life, aircrafts doesn't have heavy springs forcing the stick and pedals to the center
This was personally incredibly useful for me, my x52 just died and this product filled the price-functionality point shame its so delayed int he UK.
Michael Cole - Im glad I could help! I had a gut feeling it would be popular so figured it was a good idea to order mine straight away. You'll be happy when you get yours the wait is worth it.
Little late here but I just got the 16000m after watching this video (and a bunch of others), and I've been loving it. Only thing is that the tension on mine is even greater than yours. It's not too bad, but it wears my hand out after a few hours. Maybe that's a good thing, it'll remind me to take more breaks lol
@@noname.noname.3560 I only really used it for a couple months. I did notice it starting to creak a little bit, but nothing too bad. Had more of an issue with the throttle getting sticky, but that can be helped by changing tension and adding grease. I might use them again soon, I got VR a while back and have been meaning to play Elite again in it.
Really good review clearly understandable for me with poor English. Very valuable and heplful review. You should do more of them. Thank you!
It’s impossible to get any of these for 130$ anymore they’re all being sold out and resold for 400$ because of the holiday season
Just got one for $279.00 with prime shipping cuz that's the best price I've seen lately and I don't have to wait a week or so like with ebay. I paid $220 for a Hotas One at the time of your comment. Absurd.
@@JordanOwnby i just bought a 2 week old second hand for 100 :-)
Nice review, I'm half tempted as I'm still using my ancient Saitek X45. One comment: it's "Hands ON Throttle And Stick", not off. The intention was to allow a pilot to control all the actions needed in a dogfight with their hands on the stick and throttle without reaching for switches on a cockpit panel.
Asmr Head - got to remember to not drink the night before a technical video review lol
For the love of all that is holy a shorter intro would do you wonders man
That intro is WAY too long!!! And a louder mic. Holy crap I had to turn it up a lot to hear him!
its 22 seconds long......
And if you get another stick, it will be an HOSAS..
Most of us who still have it, have modified both the stick and the throttle. I have recently modified my throttle with a mid detent (so I can "feel" where I'm at).
Next step is the stick itself, instead of using membrane buttons - micro switches (OMRON). Also the trigger will be upgraded during summer of 2021..
I didn't know about that pedal connector, that is really useful since I already have the Thrustmaster T3PA pedals.
In a perfect would, Thrustmasters thruttle and Logtitechs flight stick in my personal oppinion.
The T16000 M looks like a good, solid product.
I am also torn between getting a x52 and this 16000 M. Honestly I like the arcing motion other throttles have. There apparently aren't as many buttons which StarCitizen will definitely need.
Also, and this is a teeny minor gripe... the colorscheme. Instead of going for a neutral black/grey, Thrustmaster decided to go for a bright orange which just doesnt jive with my setup at all.
Honestly, if the Warthog stick had a twist, it would be a no-brainer for me, but it doesn't. To get everything out of a warthog in a space-sim you also need pedals.. which is yet another purchase.
thanks for the review, it helps a lot.
Fizzlefuse - I find that it really depends on what kind of games you plan on playing with it. If you're into space sims I would highly recommend something with an analog mini stick which the x52 Pro does not have. It has a small Mouse nub on the throttle but does not work as an analog stick very well as stated in my review. If that's not important to you, the x52 Pro is tried-and-true and is very nice ergonomically.
The analog stick does seem like a very nice feature. I am looking for a good setup to play space sims, primarily Star Citizen. I'd like to get something by the time 3.0 rolls around so I figure I have a few months to decide.
Fizzlefuse - If you have a few months to wait, I would hold out for Logitech to possibly fix the X-56 rhino or even replace it with something else. With space sims on the rise, Logitech would be wise to put out some competition for Thrustmaster and would expect to see it sometime in 2017.
Exactly what i was tinking... it would be nice to see what Logitech will do now they acquired MadCatz/Saitek.
Also, since Saitek has been bought there has been no update on the state of the Star Citizen HOTAS that Saitek was going to develop. Those early designs looked promising.
Fizzlefuse - I've also been curious about what is going to happen now that Saitek has changed hands in relation to the Star Citizen Joysticks. I haven't heard anything from CIG since Logitech bought out Saitek/Mad Catz.
Great video, even still I'm hitting the purchase button ... NOW!
Side note: haters be hate'n - they just have nothing going for themselves so they revel in putting others down. Pay them no mind.
I got it now and love it. Definitely great value for the money.
Why are the reviews for the Throttle on Amazon saying its junk? I think your the only person on TH-cam that is comparing these two since there similarly priced. Thanks for the review.
Jeremy Wheeler - You're welcome. Im pretty surprised myself thats this has been out a couple weeks now and no one else has done a comparison video. Seemed like an obvious choice based on price and popularity. My only complaint about the throttle after about 2 weeks of pretty consistent use is that I feel it need a little bit more lubricant on the metal rails it slides on. Im getting a slight hitching when not putting any down pressure on it. And I do emphasize slight. Some people wouldn't even notice it.
i have an x52 pro. and the stick broke.
it sheared at the shaft (too heavy on the throttle twist)
after opening it up I'm amazed it lasted this long (i've had it for over 3 years) the whole stick is held together at the twist point by a plastic tube with the front cut out of it so that cables can pass through ... so basically a quarter of the shaft doesn't even exist
I was never that happy with the build quality of the stick anyway but i really like the throttle. there is just too much play in the stick. (i did the cd holder mod to tighten the spring a bit) but the centering was never accurate.
thanks for clarifying that i will be able to use my x52 throttle with this stick.
off to order this stick. thanks for the video.
Nicely done video, I liked your descriptions and comparisons.Nothing wrong with making up your own vocabulary after a night of fun lol!
throttle doesnt slide but it does lift up when adding thrust on it.
I have the T.16000 HOTAS setup and can say, that I am a little disappointed ... when it comes to the latest MS Flight Sim 2020. The thruster controller has no center, so when you want to reverse your plane or attempt to reverse thrust (when landing) ... there is nothing and no options for it :(
Also .... The T.16000 has a lot of buttons, which is a positive .... but feel they could have been better placed.
You would have to do a custom spring mod. They are not interchangeable on the X52 or X52 Pro.
The x52 has an index analog also tho?
I think that the left hand switch is there for people with dual stick setups, because the throttle is always left handed
How about a 2 years in update review. Let us know how it's held up things you never noticed initially (bad or good)
I've the stick just buy itself and after only 1hr its its really worn out.. my old x52 lasted 3years with not a problem.. in fact im going back and buying a x52 now I have the coin
The "Sensetive Touch" is called an Axis ;). Great video btw!! +1 sub & like.
Wish Thrustmaster would make their own version of the X-55 Rhino. Loved all the switches. That was the best flight system I could have ever dream of--until it broke in the first month. Opened it up and it had very thin wires, very bad soldering--in fact 2 wires came off and they weren't even connected to moving parts! Don't get me started on the customer service. I'm certain Thrustmaster would do a quality job.
@ 2:17 the one I want is the warthog, but the one i can afford at the moment is the t16000m, great review buddy! I just bought this stick from amazon and just pre ordered microsoft flight simulator 2020 😍
I found the throttle on the t16000 binds too much. Couldnt sort it out by loosening the tension bolt or oiling the rack. Then again, you probably need to work them in for a while, which I didnt do I admit. I just prefer the idea of a pivot throttle I think, so gonna ebay it and get a x52pro. I pretty much intend to play nothing but FS from next month onwards :)
Great review, thanks. Would you mind do another one after one year using the T.16000? Would love to hear how they compare in terms of accuracy and smoothness
Thanks for the comparison video, today I asked my dad to buy me the T.flight one, and he goes, "It looks cheap, get one that's better". Thanks for helping me make up my mind on Logitech or Thrustmaster. Appreciate the vid.
You're very welcome :)
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I bought this hotas, still waiting for it from amazon so I'm glad it's good, the warthog is $700 in Canada
And 3 years later it's 1600$ :'-(
a shame the throttle control doesn't twist as well. The X and 4 models they make have that. still, this looks far above those. really leaning towards getting this after my cyborg X (fly 5) failed after very little use with Elite dangerous.
helpful criticism! tossing up between the two, I've decided the indents are "ok" - 25-75% appears to have enough range to just use that area (maybe), and useless suction cups+lack of weight I can sort out.
Yep, getting one. Have the T16000M but have started playing DCS World A-10C and it does not cut the mustard. Can't afford the A-10 HOTAS though.
This is a nice review thanks. Helps a lot to know more about this new mid range HOTAS.
The only thing is next time you can just remove the white foam from the desk. Covers half the frame of your video and adds nothing to your review.
Nice job keep going.
Great video, just a detail to mention. It looks like the stick has a pretty square base, allowing it to achieve 100% XY movement in both directions (a lot of circular sticks can do 100% X or 100% Y, but not both).
Subbed, work on the grammar on the annotations, and keep being hungover. Seems like it works for you. =)
Hi Doc, thank you very much for this video! Very usefull! Can you share the Elite
mapping profile that you created for this HOTAS? Thanks again! Cheers!
Very informative, thank you. I've pretty much got my mind set on getting this whenever it finally releases in UK, can't remember if you said you're doing a full review. Would be interested to hear what you think after using it.
i thought the point of the spring was that you could replace the spring or add spacers/washers to increase tension
the only thing im concerned about is that is a pretty large channel in the throttle with no membrane.... i'm just imagining the amount of dust going into that thing...
Great video man, I just got a set of these in from Amazon a few days ago and it was a good deal for the price. Although I like how your Saitek's stick has less 'jump back' to the center. I say that because I play Star Citizen right now with mouse and keyboard and I am wondering if you would make a video of using the TARGET software and mapping the Thrustmaster set to use in game. I am kind of a noob when it comes to key mapping, but I did log about 250h in Elite Dangerous with a CH Pro throttle/Logi 3D Pro joystick. Mapping keys in Elite is so much easier than in SC. So I'm hoping you could do a video tutorial on binding your new T16 FCS HOTAS so all of us could get a good idea of what to do and how to set the buttons properly. Thanks again and my name is ARIOS-X1 on SC if I ever see you around the verse!
Arios X1 - Thank! Im actually no a huge fan of thrustmasters TARGET software and find that its much easier to simply take the time to use SC's keymapping. CIG has done a really good job of giving you everything you need in game vs making profiles in software like TARGET and running them in the background. To be safe I always export my keybindings from SC when im finished just in case future updates erase them.
I'm not a fan of TARGET either.. I loaded it up and left everything on default, ran the script and then when I launched SC I was getting severe lag, like 5-10 fps...so yeah I don't want to use that. I'm a bit confused on how to map in SC, there is 4 Joystick/HOTAS options, thanks for the reply, I'll go search how to do what you just said.
Joy2Key is your friend
Thanks for letting me know about Joy2Key looks usefull. I decided to bind the keys in game with the advanced controls. It was very easy, no software like TARGET needed.
Hows the new FCS HOTAS working for you? I decided to go back to my modded CH Pro Throttle/Mouse combo. I couldn't get used to the FCS throttle or the joysticks I have for me aiming was too hard. I'm planning on buying a Saitek X56 Joystick to use along with my CH throttle. I'm still on the fence about using a joystick as I need to get a very good one to compete with how accurate the mouse is, anyways hope the new FCS HOTAS is working well for you.
Hands ON throttle and stick!
Hands ON! throttle and stick
Shame they don't make a left handed throttle slide.
They pride them selves on a left handed stick so why not a throttle slide that can be operated with the right hand.
What? The throttle slide is left handed - same as on a real plane.
@@dr.michaelr.foreman2170 Depends on the plane and the seat you're on
Wow, obviously you have not been a real plane in your life time, at least not the cockpit. Otherwise, you would know throttle control is on the left.
@@dr.michaelr.foreman2170 Wow, obviously you don't know about my life and should not be guessing. If you wanna be the smart one, know that
1 - Not all planes are fighter jets with only one pilot seat
2 - Most planes, with very few exceptions, have only one throttle panel between two seats, so if you are the commander (who seats on the left, of course you already know that) the throttle will be to your RIGHT.
That is the reason why I said it depends. Hope you learned something, if not, my apologies. Oh, and I have not been in a plane with such configurations you talk about.
@@iota8732 Sounds like he had you dead ass. Gg
Does your old X-52 stick able to reset to the left hand. Many of Saitek have that. I'm left handed because my right hand doesn't work any more..
In Estonia here is online electronics shop that sells these thrustmaster T.16000m FCS joysticks separately. they sell the non FCS version and FCS version, but whats the differense?
Robin Grünbaum the FCS edition has the throttle the other doesnt
I heard the T16000 throttle starts sticking and can't be used for precision flying in a sim at all after that.
Is it still working now 3 years after you've bought it? I'm looking for a decent stick that's not HOTAS and this is one of the few that fit's my price range. I had before a Thrustmaster T.Flight but i really didn't like it's lack of precision and eventually it just broke and the thing is a pain to open up so i'm not too hot on the cheaper Thrustmasters, but the Saiteks doesn't seem to be available anywhere to buy.
Hope he answers I want one too.
@@jefferynelson From what i've been reading it doesn't look like it's durable, people are saying they had it break down less than a year with it. I still might go for it because there's nothing on it's price range though.
@@ptkstefano well, i bought mine two years ago (thanks to this video ;) ), and its still working without any problems. Ofc If you are not throwing your joystick after every defeat, in every corner of your room :)
@@SiwYT Good to know! I bought one but it hasn't arrived yet. I plan on taking care of it to see if it lasts me for some years, i'm gearing up for Flight Simulator 2020 (:
I just bought mine, but it cost me $169.99 plus shipping and tax on Amazon. Not happy about that but whatever. I'm finally getting my hands on this HOTAS.
Everybdody talks about space sims what about proper sims like P3D or XP11 flying with heavy jet (civil airliner). Is it worth it for these sims or the Saitek x52 (not a pro) would be better for this?
Yeah it bugs me a little that it appears 90% of HOTAS users get them for space games. But I suppose that if it's good enough for precise 6 axis movement, it should be good enough for 3 axis movement as well.
Honestly, if you're playing p3D and XP11 I suggest a yoke and throttle quadrant (assuming you're flying tubes). This kind of setup is more suited for space sims and combat flight sims, military combat aircraft tend to have this type of layout
Why does that bug you?
I'm a major Star Citizen fan and play it all the time. But I've been playing it with keyboard and mouse, Im looking for a flight control system for DCS lol.
for trimming the 52 is the way to go. tough for space games. saitek just does not cut it with there throtle. i bought the thrust master set. ditched the joystick as i just cant cope with 3 buttons and a hat-switch. prime fire.
i think its pity saitek [now Logitech] does not have a lone joystick, as you have to have the throttle.
my joystick is just a speedlink hawk. looking for a joystick like it in the higher end with jaw.
So, 5 years later how did either hold up the test of time and what was best?
how is it feeling now? 4 years later
So what did you decide in the long term? Do you still like this over the X52? I am getting ready to order my first hotas I like the throttle on this thrust Master better, but it seemed like the x52 stick has more inputs
Ergonomically speaking the x52 throttle is much more comfortable and button placement is much better. However it does lack a true analog control which is nice to have. It does have a small analog Mouse nub but is no good for movement bindings. Overall I think the x52 is a better buy because it feels higher quality in general and has much lighter spring on the stick so it makes micro adjustments easier. The thrustmaster is very stiff off of Center and tough to make small movements without overcompensating.
@@PCPAyLOAD wow, fast reply on a 3 year old video, thanks a lot! Appreciate it.
Ideally, you want to have the X52 Pro stick with the Thrustmaster TWCS throttle. The Thrustmaster TWCS can bought separately. The X52 joystick cannot.
It is a painful situation if you're in the market for a new HOTAS and I wish both companies would update their products. Logitech / Saitek should add real ministicks to the throttle and the joystick could use one as well, like the X56.
The TM T.16000M should be replaced with something better entirely. Although it has hall sensors (only on X and Y axis, not on Z axis), it feels like a budget product. Ergonomically, the Logitech 3D extreme Pro and even the TM T-flight stick (the actual budget joysticks) are superior and the lack of buttons limits you to playing arcady games.
The situation is much better in the higher-end which is currently ruled by VKB and Virpil. Both have products so good that it doesn't really matter which one you pick. They both have it all. Except have at least $600 ready in your wallet if you want a HOTAS. I just wish Saitek never would've sold to Mad Catz. Even now in the Logitech's ownership, it's just a zombie company. The innovator coming up with new great value for money offerings from the 2000's is long gone.
As for Logitech, people have been asking for a new 3D Extreme Pro stick, updated with magnetic sensors for 2 decades now. That pretty much says it all about their interest in this niche, doesn't it?
Also, you don't want any Saitek joystick from the Mad Catz era if you're buying used.
@@PCPAyLOADI have the t16000m, it's a pain to fly helicopters, the spring is so unnecessarily heavy, I bought the x52 pro, it's much better to fly helos. The sensors in the t16000 are better and more precise, but the heavy springs kills all the precision that the sensor give, the sensors in the x52 are worse but the light spring make it more precise, very ironic this situation
What an awesome review! Keep up the good work :D
Dude! your mic sounds like your in the room with me!
I don't know if thats a good or bad thing but its my Galaxy Note 5 mic and camera. Does the job.
Shame the TM throttle doesn't have a notch for the middle so you know where to put it for forward/reverse etc.
@8:00 isnt there another little analog stick on the other side of the throttle that you can map to control your mouse?
Yes, it's for mouse control. Strafe control is above the throttle.
Not sure if he is aware of that.
Good video. Curious, you mention you picked it up for $130.00 at Amazon not too long ago. Today the price is $185.00 I usually don't see prices jump that much in that little of time.
Two months ago I finally received my back ordered pair of T. 16000m its was a 4 month back log. On the whole It took me several days to configure and mount these pups to my desk via the mounting screws underneath. The feel more toy like than my X-52 but I wanted to try dual stick flight that seems all the rage in space sims. But I was not expecting age and physical condition to drop like a fraking anvil and crush my dreams. All the years of Atari to current console controllers plus all the accident and falls aggressive skating an impact wrench work has taking a toll on my wrists and hands. I can't game for more than 20 mins now before my hands tingle and go numb I've tried Carpal wrist supports , taping hands, readjusting height of joysticks to arm rests even standing and have same outcome. I suppose I'll have to wait for synaptic controllers now hmm.. Any suggestions ?
What might work is a routine of wrist exercises. But you should see a kine for that, to make sure you do the right ones.
Wine. Thin the blood and let it flow for better circulation. Also stretch the shoulders neck fingers back and chest b4 a session.
Pushups, you gotta stretch out your hands and fingers.
So looking back, was it better than x52?
Does the Pope shit in the woods if nobody is around to observe it?
No, the guy from the video said in the comments that he actually prefer the x52 because buttons are better placed and the stick is more precise because of the lighter spring. The only thing that he said that is better on the t16000m is the analog stick on the throttle
I am so torn...I cant decide between the x52 and Thrustmaster still... I really need as many buttons as i can get in order to play properly with the oculus. I fear there are not enough buttons on the t.16000M...damn..
SengirShowsU - Don't forget about the 12 extra buttons on the sticks base. The are well enough textured to use blind with VR.
Dr. Poogobbler true
SengirShowsU - Id love to start a discussion about VR and the best Layed out HOTAS. Obviously which games you plan on playing will have a lot to do with that. Personally Star Citizen is my main focus. Not only because it will be the most taxing on your system specs, but will be the closest thing to a interplanetary simulator for space sims when it comes to the multitude of controls and buttons you need to program.
go read the reviews of saitek, and ill see you on the thrustmaster side shortly thereafter
I have a Thrustmaster T16000m Hotas and i love it! No issues or complaints from me.
So do you think that the thrustmaster has a better Precisement than the x52 Pro has? Or is it the other way? Im planning to get one of the both and the precisement is a big point for me. I dont know why but it feels like for me I hear more bad things about the x52 than good ones. Your opinion could really Help me.
MrSabifa - Well it really comes down to 2 things. Preferred tention on the Stick and Anolog inputs. The T.16000m has what would consider about 25-30% more stiffness/tention on the stick and a very nice anolog hat for your index finger on the throttle. Where as the X52 Pro is very light on stick stiffness/tention and only has a small anolog mouse nub at the thumb position on the throttle which is not all that great for space sim movement. As far as accuracy they are both very precise. I have no complaints about either one. I actually like the X52 throttle better for its ergonomics but its been out for quite a few years and needs some physical updates to accommodate newer games. Both Accurate setups, both good quality but for space sims I like the T16000m. Flight sims either one would be fine.
Dr. Poogobbler thank you much dude. So I will be looking for the t16000 for Star citizen ;)
NP. C U in the Verse!
Great video! Looking to pick this up for better Elite Dangerous videos, looking forward to it! Also, Note 5 is great.
Um, they sold the stick separately before they sold it with the throttle
How to engage reverse thrusters in this? Please help
i thought the audio was good and the quality was great so keep it up subbed
Just wanted to say you were wrong on what HOTAS stands for, you said Hands off Throttle and stick, it actually stands for Hands "ON" Throttle And Stick. It indicates to the original creation of the set up being in actual cockpits of fighter crafts, so pilots did not have to take their hands off the controls of the aircraft and all module controls were at a finger tips reach. hence being hands on.
Great review though
Daniel Milton - fully aware i misspoke
Dr. Poogobbler I figured as much, wasn't trying to be a smart ass, just also telling people who didn't know.
Hello there, I purchased the same joystick and I am experiencing an issue where it gets stuck if I press it in the upper right corner. Is this a normal occurrence or is it a defect? Thank you for any assistance.
Definitely not normal. Its likely a defect in the molding of the button or the inside of the top of the joystick which you would have to disassemble to fix and void any warranty. I would return it for a new one if you still can.
Is it possible to lock the twisting of the stick? I use the TFRP rubber peddles for the RZ axis with the HOTAS 4 flight stick. There is a screw on the hotas 4 that allows you to lock the rotation so you can use the peddles only for rudder input. Is that an option for the T16000m?
I find it funny that the stick can be switched to either hand yet the throttle is purely left hand use only.
ThatWolffe - Im assuming there just isn't a large enough market for right handed throttles. Although if someone was to design an ambidextrous throttle it would probably go over pretty well.
I agree there, my older brother is left handed so he tends to be stuck with terrible peripherals due to there not being much available for left handed users
How is the size of the palm rest compared to the Hotas X? I've noticed that the Hotas X's big palm rest is one of the many cons, especially when doing things like flying helicopters continuously and it starts digging into your arm.
Don't buy this HOTAS. I just returned mine after 2 weeks because the twist broke which was a piece of plastic that stopped it from over twisting. It still works but it doesn't feel right. Also there is a mechanical dead spot in the twist that really sucks for being accurate. I opened it up and it was very basic and there were weights inside. I give it a 5 out of 10.
well that was an unfortunate problem youve had. Ive had mine for a month now and no problems what so ever.
Hi, which is better, in your opinion , between these two joystick in terms of precision? I wanna decide between these two. I'm looking for a joystick for DCS.
Which is more resistance(less smooth) between the throttles?
EagleFulcrum1 - While the magnetic sensors in the t16000m may be slightly more accurate than the x52 pros older tech, the x52 pro still feels a bit smoother to me because it's much less resistant to move off center making it noticeably smoother for precision maneuvers. Also, the x52 pro throttle feels much smoother and has a bit of resistance which I like versus the t16000m throttle which is very cheap feeling and the t16000m throttle requires longer fingers to reach all the buttons without moving your hand. If I had to choose between the 2 I would get an X52 Pro.
Thanks, I've tried both and i think i'll buy the X52....i don't like the t16000....too much resistance...the X52 is really smooth!!
nice review of the stick and im planning on getting one but how does the TM 160000 joystick compare to TM Hotas-X joystick in feel and move, i'm use to the Hotas-x so wonder if its the same feel.
The problem it was a hassle to calibrate since i had to use diff drivers(vjoy) and software(joystickcurves).
So I guess i had 2 questions.. hehe
is the Hotas- X similar in movement/feel to TM 16000?
And is TH 16000 drivers/software easier to calibrate? ( im sure its a yes but still asking)
Thanks!
i never had the X52... but owned the X55 Rhino and this thrustmaster stick, the X55 creaks like hell, the thrustermaster does not... the plastic is much thicker.
Did you make an actual review video after using the t16000m? This is the HOTAS I really want right now but they only one I can find in stock is the x52 and wondering if I should just get that instead. One of the main reasons I want the 16000 is because I can switch the stick to left handed. I already own an extreme 3d pro, so I could try HOSAS as well...
I just seem the thrustmaster T.16000M for £40 out CEX it's obviously second hand, I'm looking for a good joystick to play War Thunder on my PS5. Will thus work on my PS5 to play war thunder and is £40 a fiod price?
Edit* on the tag it Sat's single and the box only shows the joystick and not the thrust lever. So it may only be the joystick, I can see on the base in front of the joystick there seems to be a lever you can slide up and down, can that be used as the thrust lever so I don't need to buy a separate thruster lever?
I own an Saitek X52 pro and Saitek rudder pro.
Although as you pointed the joystick is commited to the throttle, my peddals
(unlike the telephone jack connectivity and dependancy with the Thrustmaster throttle)
use usb and they are independent.
You forgot to mention the 3 modes of button configuration that changes on the fly as well as the "shift" button functionality on the joystick that doubles the button ammount .
The T16000m is an more than decent entry level joystick solution. Mostly because it uses better sensors than the cheap logitech ones etc.
Would i change my saitek's for it ?
No!
he man, the throttle controller is left hand to that you now???
I upgraded from the Hotas X to this and so far I am having a really really hard time with the throttle not having an indent for 0
Any suggestions to make this work with a full range setup? I am not a huge fan of using a button for reverse especially when it registers throttle forward as the power to reverse and it messes with my brain hardcore.
could try modding it, i'm gonna do mine. /watch?v=do7FXrM4_Vo
Hey there bud, love the video, in depth yet simple review and unboxing, but I have a question, between x52 pro and TM16000M, which one would you recommend me to get? Because I can't decide between the two but I read a lot of reviews that x52 pro stopped working or broke them so it would great if you could recommend it based on your experience.
Thanks
Crono Gamer - Id recommend the Thustmaster. Not only is it less expensive, it has much more updated software and more useful anolog features. Ive been using mine for about 5 month and its the best bang for the buck
Sweet, thank you for the recommendation and also getting back to me so fast. :)
Good honest review. thank you
Can Thrustmaster be programmed to be able to or change axes or make joystick turn shaper?
Awesome review. Many thanks.
okkkk soo after this years please tell me wich ons is better?