The Depressing Reality Behind Why the B1's Talked SO MUCH in the Clone Wars [Not What You Think!]
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So they were basically stressed out of their minds constantly and dealt with it through humorous commentary? Now I know why I've always found them so relatable.
Same
@@RYUZAKILL117 Same
Yep, combat veterans are known to have this kind of banter, & dark humor about them as well.
@@bryanmiller8604 yep, as a u.s infantrymen the best way to deal with stress is to just laugh it off and find everything funny
All I think is they managed to create artificial soldiers with PTSD built in
Sidious: Grievous is too smart, we need to nerf his tactical skills.
Dooku: We can make his subordinates annoying.
Sidious: Program them to be as talkative as the representative of Naboo.
They abducted jar-jat and scanned in a copy of his brain, thankfully it all fit on their smallest data crystal..
This cracked me up
@@oldered5663 Not only did it fit, but there was still space left over to download additional skills.
@@alexanderblack8852 was there enough space for doom
@@venomsempire2434 Most likely
It's interesting to think that B1's seem to do a lot better as long as someone is commanding them around like an organic commander, tactical battledroid, or a super tactical battledroid. Even Grievous, who notoriously despised them, seemed to be able to get them to get their clanking together and to perform their jobs rather alright, all things considered. However, as soon as you remove the person/droid telling them what to do from the equation, the B1's just fall apart...usually quite literally. Poor droids.
I mean, that makes sense when you think about it. They weren't built for tactics or command (even the yellow "Commander" droids still were more just vehicles for delivering orders from even higher up), so you take away the things organizing them and they kind of just default to "Throw yourself at the enemy"
want to know something supper interesting?, in the game Star wars Galactic Battlegrounds the Trade Federation is a S tier army, the stock Infantry unit is the B1 which only has a Rank 3 form but thanks to the TF not needing Housing for their army means by Age 3 you can drop a fortress, three barracks and a Heavy weapons factory down and spam very cheap B1's, destroyer droids and MMTs into an enemy base, plus because you don't have to worry about housing as a faction you can keep spreading smaller bases around the map to keep the spam going as long as you have the Carbon and food to make them
@@DCPTF2 dude.. CIS Military alone can be considered a S Tier Military.
woah woah woah! clanking? no need for those kinda slurs, sir!
I think the empire and the first order should have used droid pilots, because of how effective they were for the CIS.
I love how they can come up with complicated and detailed reasons for overlooked changes in the canon.
I see your point and it holds true for a lot of other stuff. But the explanation can be made quite simple. Trade Federation was cheap and just updated/expanded the software without doing the same to hardware, causing malfunctions and quirks. But that’s a much shorter video haha
pretty sure its all just fans making it up and then writers just run with it, lol.
Intradiagetic vs extradiagetic
@@7Falcon8Wings7 and it holds true here
There is a deleted scene from Attack of the Clones where Ki Adi Mundi leads a team of Jedi to shut down the central control computer, which works for a second, but then they reboot and resume their attack. This is why we see him being added to the captured Jedi in the arena.
B1's are kinda insane. Being able to recognize an older b1 number just by looking at their head.
I always thought they were programmed to react to their environment slightly and still be loyal to their command.
Look episode one battle Droids compared to the rest.
I assume they all have on-board IFF tags, that and being able to network wirelessly, they even mention in the arc where they are training the gurilla fighters even a dismembered Droid brain can still relay data and information and the only secure way to sestroy one is the head
Apperently a lot of their ram is loyalty programs. Meaning a basic b-1 could be as dangerous as a commando. Perfect parallel to a CT and a CC, surely some on purpose I suppose.
They probably have some sort of IFF module which shows their designation to each other. If it’s mounted in their head next to their brain it could easily still be intact in there and readable to other droids
@@chuckthewizard7288 I mean a communication device even built in over an AI core would be fairly easy to differentiate
This is exactly why I want a rogue B1 or other droid bounty hunter in “The Bad Batch.”
I loved the episode where the group activated a bunch of deactivated battle droids which ended up helping them fight off security droids. I'd love to see the guys and Omega run into a small group of B1s who were surviving in the middle of nowhere.
Mr Bones
I mean mr bones was horrifying, so to match that, maybe a commando droid?
Maybe with similar code to the IG units
@@swooshie4749 he was more of a murderer than a team player like he's asking for but he's the most interesting B1 so far
the concept of droids becoming not only sentient but straight up sapient (the level of awareness humans have the displeasure of having) by simply being advanced enough and NOT memory wiped opens an entire can of existential worms that i fucking LIVE FOR, its ALMOST as good as stuff from like Ghost in the shell when it comes to exploring the thin line of what is a ''real'' consciousness.
Droids in Star Wars have always had some level of sapience or free will.
Chopper is a cold blooded murder and also incredibly chatty lol same with R2 although he's a lot more sly with it when he mercs someone, Chopper is just outright war crimes broad daylight in the streets of Baltimore.
Honestly the Droids have been some of the best and most expressive characters in the franchise, my personal favourite being BD-1 who's literally like a mix between a dog and a cat at the same time and I love him lol
@@ultimatepunster5850Between R2 and Chopper I feel that, while Chopper is the most likely to go on the killing spree in broad daylight, R2 would be the type to commit Genocide if given the time and motivation to do so. Don't even try to tell me otherwise, R2's been through the entire franchise without a memory wipe (Well, from the Prequels on in both the old EU and Disney Canon, he wasn't there for the Old Republic. But if he was...) and he's already done some borderline shit so don't tell me he wouldn't.
Chopper is a Psycho, but R2? R2 could be SO much worse.
@@kabob0077 Oh yeah they're both dangerous as hell lol.
They're so unsuspecting too, like who the fucks gonna be suspicious of the Astromech? Seriously I've only ever seen an Astrodroid outright attacked once to my memory and that was during TCE S7 when the Clones gunned down the droids that were helping Ashoka and Rex escape the Venator lol.
@@ultimatepunster5850 It's also a fact that in the old EU Astromechs didn't get memory wipes, like people overlooked them THAT much.
R2's been around for a VERY long time without them, he's got a lot of knowledge in that little Trashcan shaped body of his and he's also probably fully Sapient by now. Even if he can't say a word about it he's a living Relic, like R2 is the droid and Star Wars equivalent of Rylanor the Ancient of Rites or some other Venerable Dreadnought from 40k... Like say Bjorn for another example. The galaxy is lucky R2 isn't interested in Genocide, Galactic Domination, or starting a Droid Revolution since he probably has the highest chance of success out of everyone of succeeding.
The galaxy is also lucky he doesn't have a Trashcan Mech (That is to say, the Urbanmech or Urbie as it's also referred to as) to rampage with.
@@kabob0077 Chopper has killed over 4000 people in terrorist attacks apparently
The best droid moment is in the bad batch when the clones reactivate the B1’s in the smelting factory and one says “Did we win” I found that so amusing 😂😂😂😂😂
LMAO I loved that scene
One says that in Jedi survivor after being reprogrammed.
Tbh it made me reflect on the clones who also thought they were going to be given land to retire on and cut my heart because it was a lose lose war
@@callmesenpaidesu1506It was a lose lose war initiated by a single Sith mastermind and perpetuated by a huge number of galactic citizens that were fine with 10-year-old child slave soldier clones and sentient droids killing each other by the countless millions for their cause. To top it all off the Jedi who usually induct toddlers into their cult sent their own child soldiers like Ahsoka who was only 14 and Anakin that was a commander at 19 into the war.
@@dutchrjen and the best part. the only side for democracy and freedom and power to the people was the bad guys.
I preferred them being of the non-chatty kind back in the CWMMP days, so I don't have the burden of ever pitying them... and yet have the feeling of pride when a select number of them became independent, one way or another.
I love them for being funny
That cw version of SW was terrible tho lmao I don't see how people like it so overrated
Is that the Samurai Jack style cartoon one from the Early 2000's?
@@AngelDust6969 Yep. Basically, they're saying heresy against it.
@@michaelandreipalon359 Alr. Was actually asking you. I was confused because you added MMP to it so I had no idea what that meant. 😅
I liked it because it was fast-paced and had a cool animation design, as well as how its last few episodes led right into Revenge of the Sith. 😁
I also noticed that their battle tactics were Smarter in ep1. Instead of just walking towards the enemy, they took cover.
They take cover in episode 3 too. And there isn't any cover in episode 2 for them to use.
Filoni was just time restricted (or less charitably, he was lazy) The droids don't use cover for the same reason the forces involved are always so small, lack of time or will to do more complex amminations.
@@matthiuskoenig3378 wow, I have watched Revenge of the Sith for 66,000,000 times and I haven't noticed that?!
For some reason stormtroopers do the same and also barely take cover
I honestly believe b1 battle droids that are controlled by a control ship tend to be a little bit smarter in combat than the "independent thinkers" they started making after the Battle of Naboo. Less talkative and better aiming probably too. I still think a majority of droids that were on the separatist gunships and command ships in space were still possibly controlled by a Droid Control ship but u never know. Maybe like humans some droids are actually smarter than others. But they are all given a completely wiped memory with basic programming to use weapons so it could take a long time for one to actually get smart, sucks we never really see a B1 survive long enough to learn lmao
@@lotuslife3239 certainly aboard ships there's probably room to add in a localised control for the crew.
I always wondered why they talked too much. Then again it never bothered me. But they do say some pretty funny things. If anyone asks me who the funniest characters are in Star Wars, it's always going to be the B1 battle droids.
I have a feeling they had this in mind for a while, with the pre-talking prequel LEGO games only talking characters being B1 Battle Droids. Granted they did retroactively make the Phantom Menace one's talk there, but that's to be somewhat expected.
"But... I just... got... promoted...!-"
@@ultimatepunster5850 *gets yeeted off a cliff by Ventress* "whhhhhhyyyyyyyyyyyyy?!"
Am i the only one who noticed how ON-5 and ON-7 B1 battle droids kept showing up in the clone wars series? They would get killed snd then show up again a few episodes later seemingly with their memories intact. I distinctly remember them trying to have their fellow druids NOT shoot at jedi because they would deflect and stuff like that.
I would be thrilled if you did an episode on them!
Main part i can think of them from is during the siege of ryloth during “supply lines”
it is canon that droids were literally put back together given a shine and powered on, likely memory flashed but they were b1s so probably just given new directives not full core wipe, they didnt rebuild a b1 unless it had minor damage
Being a Droid is Suffering.
I forget where you see them, might be the expanded universe but I think they are shown in background clonewars scenes and possibly episode 1 or 2 but there are dedicated CIS/TF repair/salvage droids that are deployed after a battle or depending on the situation even during it who's goal is to recover damaged droids and depending on their state rebuild or salvage their parts, the whole idea is that you can recover most or at least part of your casualties simply by collecting the parts and either slapping on new or salvaged ones to get a damaged unit working or take parts from ones beyond repair for replacement hardware, it's also much darker and this I'm not sure is cannon anymore but in old lore dead or criticality wounded clones were salvaged for organs and even limbs to help heal their living brothers, the repair droids I'm pretty sure are both legends and cannon material but I don't think the recycling dismembered clone parts is still cannon as it's super dark for Disney and was only referenced once or twice in the EU
I saw a Star Wars comic where a B-1 was heavily damaged and regained consciousness with full sentience. It knew its battery will shut down soon and be discovered or just recycled and return to back to its programming. Along the way, it ran into a run-down super battle droid and had an exchange of ideas between the one with a programmed brain and the sentient one. It was sad and amazing but I can’t remember how it “died”. It came back to life but lost its sentience.
Both of those droids ran out of power, since they were both immobilized and unable to return to a charging station. They died right next to each other, one still loyal and the other free. It was a really beautiful comic, wish it was still canon.
@Adolf Hitler Stop being political, Nazi edgelord.
Wasnt the b1 taken by farmes
@@AdolfHitler-wo1my snowflake
@@AdolfHitler-wo1mythe entire premise of star wars was liberal from the start. Your ignorance, you show.
I always enjoy the occasional "Die, Republic dogs!" In those iconic nasally voices. Is that just me😅
Lucas: lets make the B1s into comedy relief characters.
Geetsly: now let us tell you why you made some of the most depressing characters in the whole of the clone wars.
Me: The ability to think independently does not make you individuals.
1000's of B1s: ROGER ROGER!
Technology tends to be rather talkative when you give it a voice.
I've always liked how strangely polite they are. It never fails to cheer me up
The B1’s in republic commando were my favourite, they seemed more like cheap terminators in it
Slightly off topic but the B2s in that game are one of the most TERRIFYING depictions of them ever, every other droid in that game were easier to deal with than the B2s, the only other depiction of them that is just as scary is the Galactic Contention ones.
@@kabob0077 lol and when it came to the magnaguards, running was the first tactic. Makes you really wonder how bad it would be for a clone in this war
@@JAlonge017 Magnaguards I didn't mind fighting (though I was scared of them), they just spin around a lot and you're ok if you keep your distance. the Supers however are terrifying, they can shred your health in seconds
@@royalhero4608 you could get the B2s stuck in a melee loop. Stab, back up while he swings. Repeat
AUDIO TRACE DETECTED!
Me: *Pauses game and goes to cry for a minute.*
So-called "independent thinkers" when someone says "Roger roger"
Roger roger.
Roger Roger
roger roger
Roger Roger
Roger Roger
When you think you can't feel more sorry for those little guys...
My head cannon is that they needed to program a General Purpose Droid OS, but they cheaped out, found a Nemoidian office worker who had been working for decades without a promotion figuring he was loyal enough, and then destructively scanned/copied his neural map and deleted his memory and installed it in B1's figuring he had many jobs and would be good enough for a "General Purpose A.I." .
This would explain a LOT
Did they have the technology to digitize brains?
@@screamingcactus1753 They kinda do but this technology was never widespread or something you'd do off the shelf. Also unnecessary when droids are already pretty darn sentient.
It makes sense that when we see them blasted or sliced en masses, that they stopped being scary, and instead the creatives leaned in to comedy.
Roger, Roger.
Grievous’ worst nightmare.. lol. The thumbnail..
Definitely.
Sir, we need to get our power recharged.
@@thatman666 Grievous: I hate my life.
@@thatman666”Not this again! How could your power cells be so depleted?”
“You would not let us ride on one of those creatures with you, sir. If you would allow us to close down for a few-- Oh, my God!”
This provides a good explanation for their quirks later in The Clone Wars, where there were no quirks before.
I love that Obi Wan showed the droid some compassion and didn’t destroy him, he just locked the cell.
Grievous just wants some place quiet, instead he has to suffer because of how chatty the B1s are.
Before the retcon wasn't it grievous who wanted them to be able to speak
I've always found it fascinating at people's ability to flesh out and give meaning to things that were created without it. To build an entire technical reasoning behind an entire faction's characteristic, that was essentially just originally written as comic relief, after the fact, is truly incredible and really shows the amount of love and dedication fans can have.
It's what makes worldbuilding less challenging than people think. Not that it's actually easy, but, if you make an engaging world, fans will pretty much fill in the gaps for you.
I like how this explains Chopper and R2 as well. Chopper is such a jerk and can be sarcastic, yet he is a brave hero who thinks quick on his feet. They do wipe his nav data but that must not effect what makes up his personality
R2 was a loyal hound, Chop was the annoying, yet loyal and cute, outdoorsy cat.
Love those droids.
the one arc I wish we had over all others is a B1 arc, have it similar to Umbara or maybe follow a team of droids through a few battles as all of them are destroyed.
If love to see a limited run series from the perspective of the CIS via the eyes of a Droid squad, like a weird band of brothers, have it touch on complex subjects like the CIS view of the war, Droid self awareness (developing personality vs restraining bolt/programing conflicts, the other side of the coin from clones like Cutt, the bad batch and most recently Cody and to an extend crosshair), how they are seen as disposable by their organic leaders, oppressors (possibly in some cases liberators) by the local populations and possibly even have the idea of a more compassionate CIS organic officer who could have a post war spinoff with some of the cast as a sort of reflection of the bad batch post shutdown by saving some droids from the shutdown code to live in peace and then get pulled back into war bit this time they willingly want to to protect the former CIS civilians from a growing empire), another investing subject that's rarely covered are the non clone, non Droid PDFs and even non PDF forces fighting, I'm not sure if it's still cannon but in old legends lore the clone and to a lesser extent the droids were only portions of a massive Civil War that was really many smaller Civil wars in sectors and even individual worlds, would be interesting to see some early war episodes where they have the advantage of numbers, favorable predictable combat conditions against local PDFs and republic non clone forces, have some interaction with organic CIS troops as well, possibly reestablish in the lore that even post Nabo upgraded droids can still tap into a control computer to better function in combat, have things get worse as the tide turns, they loose their control ship and are forced to rely on their limited onboard Droid brains, they start fighting regular clone formations and struggle, then have a sort of inverse of the Rouge one Vader scene where they encounter a jedi general and elite clones like Windu and his 187th or Skywalker and the 501st, gradually it goes from the favorable numeric ratios to one's where its more numarucly even but more uphill battles, have some wax wane where new Droid types and tech are deployed as well as republic hardware (could have a whole episode where they encounter something like an H5/H6 juggernaut and for the first time), a tactical Droid or super tactical droid be shoehorn into the command structure between an organic commander and the OOM unit in charge that can cause friction as a aide story, could go either way, good or bad, show how as they becime less dependent on a control computer they all develop quirks and individuality in difreent ways, could have a particularly stoic and observant Droid who's thought to be malfunctioning throughout the story questioning command and how on paper it's odd why the CIS isn't steam rolling the republic with their faster production and how it almost seems that they are being held back (foreshadowing), how they view the war even, if you gave the show some really good writers and gave it a good mix of these really unique perspectives mixed with really interesting obscure lore in addition to an engaging native and story it could be a legimate masterpiece
It always surprises me the amount of work and death all caused by Sidious. So much effort and advances because of this one guy
Palpatine, truly the onest of guys
Well, 1000+ years of plans, schemes, power games, buildup of assets, rituals, collection of artifacts, pruning of family lines and Force groups and then 1 guy.
There's actually a moment in the comics I believe it was a B1 droid that was trolling Anakin and Obi-Wan, it was just getting chased by EVERYTHING on that world which had it running by the two Jedi on multiple occasions screaming "RUN!!!" on every occasion. Felt this little nugget would be quite amusing for the many Star Wars fans that weren't aware.
I love battle droids so much, gosh I miss them. Hopefully we get to see a protagonist in the future build a small army for personal use.
Vader was trying to build an army of them in the Vader comics when he got annoyed by Palpatine constantly sending assassins after him, but I don't remember if he got them or not
I liked the more quiet "Terminator" style B1s like in phantom menace
Same. Roger Roger but not stupid.
@@casualthurs3243 Agreed. I like the chattiness if it was a rarity.
@@MasterGhostf I guess you could say it was going to be a bug in long term use.
I love that dialogue of the independent thinkers and later all saying "Roger Roger"😂😂😂😂😂😂
Loved the way you brought in how we can empathize with them, especially with them being a mood as you say.
I think the B-1 being chatty and adorable is suppsoed to highlight the inhumanity of the Clones being mass-produced organic battledroids.
the part where you mention "limiting programming" to prevent rebellion the Clone production made the exact same calculus.
@Geetslys_on_Nicegram I have? What's the prize?
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Spoiler alert for Bad Batch S2E3
I loved the part where the two battle droids high fived
"Nice shot!"
Well, high three.
@@Kip450 yep
It brought me back to that one droid telling his dwarf spider “pet,” “Good shot, boy!” And it clicks in appreciation.
"everyone loves B1 battle droids And if you don't you're wrong"
That got me dead
I loved the B1's and the clones in the clone wars. They completely humanized the clones and (I thought ) made the B1's silly but thanks for explaining it.
We need to see more of the battle droids then clone troopers they so much deserve better.
Yes.
I'm already seen enough clones when are we gonna get battle droids
I’m with you
Video Idea: Droids are Better than Stormtroopers
I thought there was a video about that? Maybe I’m wrong.
Now that is gonna be a subversive laughability, especially in case the Stormies are truly veteran elites and are armed with well upgraded E-11s and other special gear.
The droid armies of the Separatists were actually tremendously cost effective overall, even factoring in the low-quality of the B1s.
It's a large part of why the Empire technically outlawed the creation of any kinds of battledroids, because Palpatine knew it would be an extremely effective potential threat to the Empire if anyone was able to start pumping out battledroids in those numbers.
As was typical for the Empire, this law didn't really apply to the Empire itself making combat-capable droids. They just conveniently reclassified them as "security" droids.
The Droids are already better than the clones, so why not?
@@dungeonguy88 But they didn't make quntillions of droids. The CIS did. The Droid army outnumbered the Clone Army and Republic Allies by a factor of thousands, but some people forget to keep most of their ships into the equation. The various space ships they used - fighters, bombers, interceptors, a few shuttles, some of the larger ships were droids themselves. Some ground vehicles, too. Then the number adds up.
The reason they talk is simple: So that when you watch the show you hear what the bad guys think, not just see a bunch of enemies do stuff without us knowing
Ok but now an in-universe reason
@@armorhide406 They are always there to explain an artistic choice
@@Hendricus56 no fucking duh bro. Should we just stop all together with having characters? Story’s in general?dumbing it all down like that is boring, do you have fun?
the reason anything happens in the tv show is simple
its a for-profit product made to amuse people into giving money to a subscription service
so what
@@CaptainPrincess for a long time there was no subscription. They were just aired on TV
I always thought that a B1 battle droid would be a great friend to have by your side
Check out Mr. Bones, a reprogrammed B1 that was modified to become a great assassin! The wiki page about him is great, and he has the coolest character design.
Thank you, this was one of my video requests from a few videos back. But, B2 Super Battle droids need love too!
Maybe a video on all B2 Super Battle Droid variants?
including the B3
3:04-3:07: Expect, if you took out the control ship the whole army shuts down, if you take out the Force user doing Battle Meditation or force them to break their concentration to defend themselves or do something else, the army can still fight just not as coordinated as before.
You gotta feel a little bad for the B1s with all this, but this helped the Clone Wars feel important, thanks to all the personalities they have both Clones and Droids, they felt like actual people instead of mindless expendable cannon fodder, we actually cared about all these beings thanks to this so you feel sad to see them get killed thus adding gravitas and dread to the Clone Wars.
I'm pretty sure at least in the expended universe they mention how the non CC dependent units can still be connected to increase pefromance to a control computer, I'm not 100% sure its still cannon but I'm pretty sure it's kind of indirectly implied with what happened to echo, he was being used more so on the strategic level but it goes to show that the information relaying to the field is still a thing and it totally makes sense that if you have the assets if both space based and ground based prefab units that can help augment the onboard Droid brains it would probably make sense to use the capability when you have it available, it's not 100% cannon the fall of the republic mod for empire at war has a good take on this where you can deploy a control computer lucerhulk (both the auxiliary cargo model and the battle carrier versions) that in the fluff say roughly "although no longer needed, the control computer can be used to network with droids to increase performance like battle mediation (in game its limited by the mechanics to only apply to space units in the form of a buff to fighters but that's just a limit of a command unit needing to be deployed in a battle and obviously you can't deploy a lucerhulk as a ground unit) (also in the incredibly unlikely event Cory Looses (the mod dev) reads this I have a possible workaround, not sure if you can somehow hook into the planetary bonus mechanic to get this to work for ground battles, not sure if there's a way to modify the bonuses to depend on what's in orbit like with bombing runs and orbital fire support depending on what's stationed in orbit)
Like a lot of things in star wars it's inconsistent.
Just like filoni sometimes shows B1s continue fighting even while heavily damaged, while other times he shows them going down barley damaged. He also sometimes has sitaitons that wouldn't be possible if the droids were all connected and other situations where it doesn't make sense that they are not connected.
Them being chatty and stupid but dangerous in numbers made me like them a lot
They aren't actually stupid. They legally have to have limits on intelligence, hence why on occasion they are mistaken by fans to not be sentient. This is achieved by a removable attachment, basically a far more restrictive inhibitor chip thing, we saw Rex accidently shoot one out in a comic. They are really naïve though, like children, so rex, obi and anakin tricked that droid to work for the republic and he slaughtered an entire CIS base by himself (a base which Rex, Obi and Anakin were retreating from because *they couldn't* take it!)
Mass produced stooges with blasters!!! Just like real military!!😁😃
@@tk-6967 I read this! Yes, but let's be honest they're acting stupid just for the comic relief which is something I appreciate more than Jar Jar
The irony is that the B1s express emotions like human beings than the actual humans (or sentient humanoids) themselves. I'm looking at you Jedi
Because droids are sentient, the galaxy just ignores it. It is like the Arab slave trade, the very thought of droid rights is seen as fringe extremist movements or naïve young upper middle class Core Worlders playing rights activist.
I remember in one episode of the Clone Wars (I think) that a kid reprogrammed a whole bunch of decommissioned droids to greet people who came to his planet, but Anakin just went ham on most of them.
@@callofhaloinfinite6336 18 to be exact, but most were fine
@@tk-6967 Lol I just re-watched that episode yesterday, neat.
Simplest terms
Trade Federation: Walmart
Droids: Employees
Strategic Droids: managers
I approve this message
"I programmed this robot to feel pain and existential anxiety"
"Isn't that counterintuitive and cruel?"
".... no?"
In the Lego Skywalker Saga they have a line where they call each other 'brother', and in TBB they got their 'good soldiers follow orders' line, so they are basicially the clones.
Except better!
😁
I kinda work the same way as the B1s’ constant chatter, it’s a great way to keep myself grounded in the moment and to guide myself through things, ADHD makes these things difficult but talking to myself helps.
@@Geetslys_on_Nicegram what
@@CantFeelMyEyesBruh it's a bot, hover over the message and click the three vertical dots on the far right to report it. (I like to choose the 'unwanted commercial content or spam' option for this variety).
What I like is that B1 seemed to be learning from their mistakes. Well if their mistake doesn't cause their destruction of course
The separatists are my favourite faction!
Ditto.
The council was corrupt as hell, but hte Separatists themselves, the people and planets, wanted to escape the far more corrupt Republic, and it was insanely corrupt, thanks to the Sith in large part having messed with it for centuries. Corporate and political greed had wittled away most of the integrity the Republic once had.
Had the Republic won the war, but in a worse state, then the CIS would've kept existing in peacetime, the galaxy permanently split apart between loyalists, and Separatists.
I actually hope we get some games, movies or series that actually do this, a massive what-if scenario.
That begining shows alot, Obi sparing that B1. Makes you wonder if he sensed it was alive and didn't want to be there or die.
I LOVE "Mister Bones" the reprogrammed B-1 and his propensity for violence and destruction is hilarious. His loyalty to his master is endearing. He was a Bahass !!
Yeah, I have always assumed it was something akin to R2, in which the lack of memory defrag and cleanup "builds up" code errors, leading to those personalities and quirks. a ghost in the machine, if you will. but I didn't know about the cheap processors and the struggle with processing power
I just love the little battle droid banter, it just gives them so much character!
The Droids are sapient but the clones are only sentient, you never see the clones bantering. That's why I love droids.
Since Geetsly's is willing to go this far about Battle Droids, will they do about why the Separatist warships have command chairs but the warships of the other factions do not have such commodity?
Its almost like their processor and main storage get full so they rely on temporary storage like RAM which is probably primarily used to queue commands, voice lines, a quick short task. The main storage and CPU being full already from the extensive calculations of projectiles, predicting enemy movement, primary objectives etc. so in a pinch they will make battle calculations and decisions into voice lines to not forget to process them, thus saying them vocally as they process them. Like humans saying a complex thought aloud to process it or remember something by repeating it.
Can't wait to see them in jedi survivor.
Especially when listening to their commentary before we hack them into scrap
Like we did in fallen order with the scout troopers and stormtroopers.
@@CloneScavengerVulpin8389 "We can take him!"
5 swings later...
"It's just me left? Oh God...!"
One swing later... "AUUUGHH! AAAAAAAAAAAH!!!!"
@@karlthorsten9118 b1 commander: it could be better if we just surrender.
GPU prices are so bad even B1’s have a bottleneck
This is spectacularly depressing for what were ostensibly intended to be soulless cannon fodder, both in and out of universe :O poor droids :(
I thought the reason for them to talk that much, was that they were unable to share Data between one another without it. This was to prevent an uprising of the Battle Droids and to prevent them from creating a hive mind with oder Battle Droids. Its a safety measure for the people.
Thr ultimate sith mistake: not doing maintenance 😅
That’s literally the mistake of any dictator and dictator wannabe
What I would like to know is why Vulture droids are treated and act like pet doggos when not in combat
Because its cute
Remember in KOTOR you couldnt even sell an astromech without a memory wipe because the “artifacts” in their memory were too much of a liability. so if you wanted one with a personality you had to find it in a junk heap
To use a real life analogy basically the B1s were like when some gamers who have a computer that in theory can run a game at minimum specs, then try to run the game at maximum specs and expect it to work. Sure it might run but you will have a lot of issues like terrain not loading and falling through the map, severe lag, and graphical and audio glitches galore.
Order - Love the B1's
Roger, Roger Roger.
They are Husky dogs amoungs the droids
Nobody periodically cleaned up their data caches, so piles upon piles of ever-redundant junk code just kept building up.
I always figured they started off a very adaptable servant model. Cheap ones. If a lack of "maintenance" (aka, lobotomies) allowed them to evolve, then they're like the Clones- disposable, made to be expendable, not intended to think or have personalities. A given who they were ultimately fighting for, a lot like the Clones.
"Made to die, trained to kill, never taught to question, and programmed to hate. We're not that different"
They should make a show just from the Battle Droid point of view.
I'd love to see how the relatively neurotic and individual B1's view the more advanced droids. Like a couple B1's goofing off just to go dead silent when a B2 walks by
Lmao Grevious be like what form of hell is this.
I loved how they sounded and acted in Ep 1 compared to the rest
B1 Droids are surely in my top 3 favorites in star wars, together with Obi-Wan and grievous. This just reminded me why
I always thought that this was an intended feature of the B1 to keep the organic Crew members from being lonely and slowly going insane
The B2 Supers seem less chatty than the B1s most of the time. Was it because they weren't required to do as many specialized jobs?
Probably because they're meant to be the brute and therefore less words more firepower.
Better Computers on them most likely
Like the above statements. More processing power, better tactics, less specialization. A B-2 is a significant upgrade--and a significant price jump--from a B-1. You want to keep these units operational, moreso than the B-1s, and can therefore justify giving them more perks.
@@punbug4721 Yeah, it's all-of-the-above kind of thing, I think.
The B2s were largely only meant for combat. They were designed for combat. And they were more expensive, higher-grade equipment meaning they probably had better computing power.
@@punbug4721 Narkina 6: "what happened on level 2?" "you want to keep your B1's and B2's operational" ^^
If I had an Army of B-1s I would be unstoppable
This is why I like you geetsly, you realize the superiority of the droid army. And don’t dunk on the good guys of the whole series.
I was always confused by how the droid army had the B1's physically control every piece of hardware. It has to be cheaper to put a single droid brain into their capital ships than produce 5,000 B1's plus the reprogramming cost just to fly a ship. If their ships, tanks and other vehicles had their own brain you would also stop clones and Jedi from commandeering CIS tanks and speeders. I know that the CIS could do it with the HMP droid gunships, the ones used in the Onderon arc. I always justified it as the sith tipping the scales to let the republic win and anytime a good idea gets through, that was probably a decision someone made one their own or in secret without the CIS council/sidious knowing.
Economy of Scale issues: The ships could have been automated and they would have functioned better, but overhauling or redesigning even a single ship is a big project, multiply that by the ridiculous size of the CIS navy and you're looking at a bank breaking amount of money. It would be cheaper and faster to slap a basic "naval skill" package into a stack of droids that you're already churning out by the millions, if not billions. and it fits with the CIS doctrine of "Cheap and good enough when fielded in high numbers"
@@olinseats4003 wouldn't that economy of scales work for the more mass produced frigates, tanks and artillery pieces. What gets me is they did give droid brains to their starfighters and gunships. That inconsistency and how useful that addition would be is what confuses me.
@@drakejohnson5386 The important thing to remember is that Count Dooku didn't actually want the Separatist droid armies to be as effective as possible.
Both Palpatine and Dooku were working to prolong the war as much as possible, making it as terrifying and brutal as possible to ensure that the Republic gave Palpatine as much power as he needed. Doing the smart, effective thing too often would have gotten in the way of that.
So a massive army of merciless droids is effective for scaring the people of the Republic. Making sure they don't fight at peak efficiency helps ensure that the clonetroopers can fight back effectively and become invaluable to the Republic and the Jedi.
But don’t forget, those droids also existed during the events of the Phantom Menace, which predates the Clone Wars by 10 years.
those were the central computer ones
I feel like the B1's could've benefitted highly from a "hive mind" type of intelligence, where each droid is coordinated by centralized computers, but can operate outside of the network's range by using eachother as links, and saving a backup of their previous directive should they be separated from their network.
If a central computer goes down, all it takes is a commander with access to the network to manually issue orders in the field whilst they wait for a replacement to the central computer.
So a decentralised intelligence network? I imagine that would be absolutely terrifying considering the number of B1s and other units on the field. Effectively thatd mean that the more B1s are on the field the more effective they become as the collective bandwidth gets higher and higher.
@@dirkbastiaandejong997wouldn't be that scary as the network has to be optimized for running on very unreliable hard ware.
I have a theory that they were given a sort of personality to humanize them, making it harder for Jedi and rebels to actually kill them because of moral dilemma.
"Overtaxed, poorly made logic module" Roger Roger that.
These guys might be among my favourite droids in this franchise. Top ten easily 😊
Star Wars fan: ha ha funny B1 droid banter!
Geetsly fan: B1 droid banter is essentially the rambling incoherence of a mentally unstable person who has seen things that are cumulatively beyond their comprehension due to lack of care for their well-being.
some B1: we're all unique individuals
other B1's: (multiple roger roger noises)
Fun fact. The b1s were reused/ reset so often it effected the A.I. ther is even a few comics about some droids who fought multiple battles each time being destroyed rebuilt then sent back into service to do it all again
I love the battle droids they are my favorite
“We’re independent thinker”
Roger roger x3 😂
Satire
I just assumed it was because they had Gungan inspired AI modules, mostly because they're modeled to look like a Gungan T-600. Outputting extraneous data to vocal communications does make an immense amount of sense for a budget bot originally programmed to operate on a network, since vocal communication used effectively is essentially peer-to-peer networking.
I got hit with such nostalgia when I heard the original Star Wars Battlefront sounds for loading the maps.
You forgot to mention they would recover, maintain and duplicate personality chips, intentionally keeping any data pertaining to the failure of it's previous owner (as a way to teach them from their failures)
As a result, a fresh built b1's only memories were the thousands of deaths he was programmed to learn from alongside it's specialty programming. They were traumatized into their talkative nature . This is why they reacted so insanely paranoid about fighting Jedi.
No wonder some of them were just "it won't matter" when someone like Anakin walked in. They knew that when a Jedi appeared, their death would soon follow.
@@wanderingaceminecraftandmo8034 basically yeah xD b1 memory fragments of successfully killing a Jedi must have been worth a fortune
The weird part, is its ONLY the B1 Battle Droids, sure the other droids had personalities but they generally where "robotic" in nature so to speak. So.....they basically had PTSD. Yikes thats depressing.
I think its cause the other droid types were more special-built and werent put to a wide range of general tasks so they didnt need the special programming that bugged up their processing
and they were probably more expensive so they were better cared for and mainteind
I also noticed that they rarely use actual pilot B1s (the blue ones) in the Clone Wars they always use regular ones.
The blue droids are more crew for ship bridges and certain areas on ships or installations, lore wise. If the Clone Wars series is completely remade, keeping all the sound and music, but updating the visuals, I think a lot of droids on say, CIS ship bridges, would get blue paint makings and have their backpacks removed, as the packs are intended for droids having to go a long time between recharges. Droids stationed on ships or installations for long durations do not need a powerpack, they go to charging stations instead, I think.
They just appeared as normal B1 Battle Droids due to budget and time constraints with the show, and some laziness, otherwise we'd seen a lot more of them, and possibly Batlte Droids with Green markings for being 'marines' when they board enemy vessels.
anyone else like to just pretend this is a history channel and we are learning about the wars and mistakes of the past
Making them chatty and goofy also makes them quite enjoyable to watch in the clone wars show. Also, maybe they looked at the Grunts/Unngoy of Halo and thought that it would be interesting to make them like that? The B-1's do show some level of Grunt behavior.
battle droids are constantly being overloaded and don't have time to process the new information they are inundated with so in order to cope they rely on sarcasm and banter as they are slowly driven insane?
am i a battle droid?
"Everyone loves B-1 Battle Droids. And if you don't, you're wrong."
This. 100% this.
Can't help but feel sorry for the poor things. Lined up in their thousands to fight in a war they can't comprehend, expended by the tens of millions and left to face Jedi Knights and Masters in their small patrol squads which never really stand much of a chance. In their battalion and legion strength they are capable of being oddly terrifying, but in small squads, you just know what is likely to happen if they face opposition they can't really stand up to. They will use overwhelming numbers when that is possible; when it isn't, they are just diversions which are never going to last against properly trained opponents.
There is something rather dark about the malfunctioning and overloaded cognition of the B1's. They have even been shown to fear destruction and to recoil in a sentient and all too familiar manner a living, organic being would, when clearly doomed to destruction. This has been seen when they face Jedi as well as particularly dangerous Clones. For instance, against Wrecker and Anakin Skywalker. There have been examples of droids resigning themselves to the closest thing they have to death. And - so one may wonder - what is the purpose of that self-preservation? Holding their arms above their heads, cowering in fear?
The shows do it for basic comic relief, yes, though the lore explanations are trying to give it some credibility and deeper meaning. I can understand that, as a world building exercise, and it is more interesting than just saying, 'droids silly', 'droids dumb' etc. That said, it does open philosophical questions and make it seem even more tragic. If they fear destruction, is it a true and sentient fear, or is it a mannerism and affectation of fear, an echo of organic fear of mortality, or the illusion, from a cheaply built machine, too confused and unintelligent to understand itself and the genuine nightmare of it's own existence?
Imagine if a B1 gained full-sentience with sapient intelligence levels, looking around itself and comprehending what it was. Can you imagine it's horror? It would probably start screaming. Bit dark for Star Wars I know, but yeah, if it wasn't controlled by a gestalt central intelligence, then imagine it realising what it was, and what it was for? It's kind of brutal thinking about it that way. Even the pretty innocently dumb and endearing B1's as we know them, are basically on this degradation path towards being recycled or outright destroyed, and used in horrific engagements which often defy tactical reason and common sense.
Should we wonder what fear a B1 had when dragged into space after a hull breach in a naval battle? (as in Episode III) Should we wonder what that droid was actually thinking spinning around in Coruscant's low orbit before plunging into the atmosphere and likely burning up and melting on the way down? Should we be surprised if, several days after the Battle of Coruscant ended, there _should_ have been a meteor shower-like rain of potentially millions of destroyed droids, floating around - potentially, and very likely cognizant for a long time at least until their energy batteries ran out - and then falling down?
Thousands of Separatist ships were destroyed over Coruscant and some of them were carrying millions of droids each. Most, carried tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands. Presumably quite a lot of them ended up in orbit for one reason or another. Imagine any of them and their sheer confusion in space, unable to save themselves, knowing that nobody was coming to rescue them and forced to watch the battle around them (likely, mercifully, being destroyed in the crossfire) But what about the ones that saw themselves getting closer to Coruscant's atmosphere and not being lucky enough to be destroyed first?
They might well be able to experience falling through the atmosphere for some time, in terror, burning and melting up. Not 'feeling' it as such but being apparently horrified. It must have happened. Think about it. Now, should we pity a droid? It is a tough question. Some of their behaviour maybe more like mimicry. A droid falling through orbit and burning up in the atmosphere gradually, would probably not be quite as terrified on many levels as a sentient going through the same horror. One can't help but wonder if Clones experienced that too. But the Clones would be far more likely to have someone saving them.
The poor old B1's would just be abandoned _immediately_ as disposable units that would never be missed, never be too difficult to replace and never valued enough to actually rescue. I wonder if any shred of that could be realised by a B1 as it was stood in a 4 metre wide corridor with a Jedi Master charging it's way with just 3 fellow B1 droids to it's side, with a blast door sealed behind them. I wonder if their own relative lack of intelligence was almost a mercy. But it still feels pretty dark that these relatively innocently stupid goofballs are being used as cannon-fodder. It isn't that I think they are the same as people.
It isn't that I'm saying 'B1LM' or start a protest demanding for droid rights. It is just curious how callously they were produced, and how callously they were allowed to be destroyed in such vast numbers. The uncomfortable truth about them, is that they are just about intelligent enough to know fear, but just about dumb enough to not know themselves. And that is simultaneously almost as much of a good thing, as a tragedy in and of itself. On the one hand, they are too stupid and innocent to know better or to process the sheer level of twisted horror that is their existence, but on the other, they are like children being slaughtered. It's pretty sad.
P.S - in Doctor Who, when Cybermen or Daleks are humanised and shown exactly what they are, as monstrosities and corruptions of life, once removed from their inhibitors and able to become self-aware, they often just instantly go even more wildly insane than they already are; screaming and sometimes self-destructing if possible. It has been known for Cybermen to start screaming in a horrifying way if they are removed from the central intelligence controlling them. They are made to 'think' they are 'elegant', and are obviously limited in what they are even allowed to think.
If removed/unplugged from that gestalt, so to speak, they almost universally want to self-delete themselves instantly because of the existential nightmare of what they have become. Any last scraps of humanity left inside them, begs for death as soon as they realise what their strive for 'improvement' and 'elegance' has actually cost them. It's more like a General Grievous situation but crossed with the Borg from Star Trek. A violation against nature. But alleged self-improvement. I don't for one moment think B1 Battle Droids and all their variations are anything like as intelligent as a Cyberman (let alone Dalek; not even remotely comparable in that context) But it does beg the question; what if the B1's can understand enough to actually hate themselves? It's really dark.