I almost want to buy this for the express purpose of printing minis of the members is Spinal Tap so I can place them on the stage together and watch the lights and “smoke machine” make magic.
Why did they have to have a motor raising the platform?!?!?! It would be so much easier to have a manual handle you could pull up, maybe With a Lock so you cant open it while its going, but it would also be so much better. Look at the time that platform uses to lift up! Its like 30 Seconds! And it would also be cheaper to produce it without that motor....
People will take the risk to tip over the model while wanting to remove it or put it inside, this feature allows it to not take any risk :) (but could be a little faster whitout taking the risk to tip over the model during the process I think)
Contrary to popular belief...automation doesn't have to replace everything people can do. Imho, the motorized lift is a costly and unencessary example.
So basically you can get a clear tub... A reptile fogger... And make this for about 40 dollars. And on top of that. It has a great feature called a lid that's instantaneous when wanting to remove your 3d print.
3D Printing Science not a product for people who don't have money to throw away. The beeps and bloops and pretty lights aren't worth the price of admission.
Like I said, if people can build it for cheaper then will go ahead :) This product cost 300 bucks, whether it worth it or not is up to the one buying it :)
Seems like it would have been a better idea to circulate the vapor, rather than rotate the platform. That would let you use the entire space, rather than wasting about half of it as it currently does. Then replace the moving platform nonsense with a door and let people just fill the thing up with their models and have big batch runs. Or just put bigger stuff in there and not be limited by the tiny circular opening. Would have been a better, simpler, cheaper product.
It essentially just a regular medical nebuliser, a turntable, encased in a transparent chamber. The rest are bells and whistles... I like the LEDs and the band-stand stage is cool... Until about 30 years ago nebulisers were bulky expensive medical grade equipment for treating respiratory disease like asthma. About 20 years ago models emerged for use at home, but they were still fairly large and required a good dose of mains power to work. Today you can buy mobile nebulisers that fit in your pocket, and those humidifiers you see in Winter for $20 are the same technology. So for the tinkerers I think you could probably come up with a DIY version fairly easily...so like the OPs said, a little over engineered and definitely expensive.
Massively over-engineered, and a lot of that over-engineering contributes to a lot of the price. Raising platform? Never heard a of door? Not only does does waiting for it make Joel look like Ernie (5:45) but it's just utterly pointless - they could have a big door that would do the same job and let you put larger objects in. I don't have much issue with turning it but a low speed fan circulating inside would probably have the same effect.
Looks a little over-complicated for me. I mean, you'd get similar results with just a vaguely heated container. Like, why does the 'bed' need to be motorized? Just a pull-handle would be fine.
So... Did the company mention if there was a reason for the slowly ascending/descending servo-powered platform? Cause that, alone, is enough to make it a big nope, for me. I'm impressed that you managed to stay so calm through this video.
Make it faster might tip over the model when arriving to the top or bottom. I m sure we can try to play with acceleration to avoid this risk but for now, it is 30sec :)
Why Does it have to be motorized? Why not have it manual operated with some sort of smooth resistance gearing built in as you pull it up or push it down.
It's a vaporizer inside a Tupperware container. You can make something that does the same thing with a brand new vaporizer and a Rubbermaid bin from Wal-Mart for under $50. but it won't have the bat cave elevator.😕
+R.O.B Nin if you're using an airtight container, you won't have leaks. Even if not, this tiny droplets of alcohol, not vapour. So it won't float away into the air.
It's all I wanted for goodness sake, to see the actual results. Could upload some photos and link em in the description Mr Nerd? At least of the 3 flowers?
Just an important FYI. I hope you and other users realize that isopropyl alcohol can be VERY flammable. It usually comes in 50%, 70%, 91%, and 99% strengths. The 99% is so flammable that it is usually kept behind the pharmacy counter, rather than on shelves out in the aisles because of the fire hazard. The alcohol "mist" would certainly add to the possibility of a fire. Alcohol burns with a difficult-to-see blue flame as well. Please warn anyone using this device that extreme care is necessary. Always have a good, working, proper multi-use fire extinguisher close at hand. It is labeled as a "severe fire hazard" by the National Fire Protection Association. Toxicity of the fumes - both before and after burning - should be taken into account as well.
I feel like you made the wrong comparison. You should have either showed sanded without the polish versus polish without the sanded or show sanded without polish versus sanded with polish. When you are showing how smooth it is, we don't know how much of the "smoothness" is a result of the sanding and if the polisher added anything to it.
I'm not convinced, mostly because this would be an easy thing to build for 25 bucks by anyone who has the slightest interest in building their own stuff. People who only want perfectly finished appliance products either wouldn't be into 3d printing or wouldn't want to fiddle with a fdm printer and would have one of the fancier liquid printers. Personally I'd rather spend 300 on another el cheapo monoprice printer and have the ability to print more fast easy parts while my nice printer is doing the hard stuff. HOWEVER- on the amazon product page for this, they have a very nice striped multi color cow, so extra points for the cow.
I wonder if more than 20 minuets would smooth the non sanded model more. A test to see how long you can polish before you lose model detail would be interesting.
I imagine that using anything but the alcohol in the machine would be a bad idea, so are there any good methods for the acetone vapor method for non-Polysmoothe filaments?
yep acetone+abs and you dont even need a silly robot to do it for you. print your abs and stick it and a acetone soaked papertowl under a glass and wait a few minutes
Christina Knight, I use 1.5 oz acetone in a presto multi cooker with pla @ 200°. The heat helps with annealing & the acetone vapor does a smoothing wash over it.
After watching your video I got one of these from Amazon. It arrived this morning and my first little model sees the round base "clicking" as if its supposed to spin and something is in the way. This vibration pretty quickly moved the little item to the edge of the platform, so after less than five minutes I had to abort the process. Only then I noticed the two notches are facing up on yours...I had them facing down. Thanks to your video, I opened it up, flipped the platform, and PRESTO!!! Thanks a ton! I've been into 3D printing about 3 years, but only now got back into it semi-seriously and I'm LOVING it! Plus, thanks to your videos I'm doing it better and loving it more than ever before! I did also purchase an airbrush, but that's the next level. Hehehe... Oh! And THANK YOU for the fantastic videos! Liked, Subscribed, and Notify :)
Ounce of Tech, i assume the vertical platform is to provide a better seal when the chamber is closed, with a front door you run more of a risk of leaking out IPA mist outside of the chamber, (which can be explody)
Joel, I would like to see what Bill from Punished Props could do with a prop part printed in polysmooth, sanded as well as he could, and then vapor smoothed. I bet it would look like an injected molded part. And then to have it painted would look even more awesome.
I don't see why not. I'm purely guessing as to how it works, but just having more pumps/sprayers over a larger area should allow it to scale. Though, you should try smoothing a few minor prints manually with the alcohol. If you can, someone could, in theory, manually smooth a print that can't fit in the smoother.
great video. The close ups of the prints after the treatments made this video. I agree with the other poster though, I'm surprised that the head of the device doesn't come off for easy removal of larger prints. That Dragon looks really cool with the two tone pant job on it.
For me the jury is still out on the polysher, but the material is awesome! If you put some of your spare support material in a pool of rubbing alcohol, it turns into a goo that you can use as cement and gap filler. Basically the same concept as what Bill Doran was talking about with the ABS slurry. The great thing is that it bonds and gap fills in one process. And if you want to smooth the seam, you're not dealing with 2 different materials. Thanks for making me aware of this!
Thanks so much for the vid! I remember recommending a full review of it a while ago and you commented you would. Glad to see it ! I must say I'm so conflicted. In a perfect world where I wasn't a busy broke college student I would get it. It's a big risk to buy the expensive specific filament and the polysher. But man the finish on it looks so nice. Looks like a professional toy that you would buy in a store. I wish I wish. Maybe one day ... maybe if I win some rolls of the polysmooth filament and i like it I'll get the polysher
Exactly, for such a simple machine there is very little value for $300, you got a vaporizer, tube and a timer. For a SMALL fraction you could very easily make a decent copy.
How do you feel about replacing the Lego flower petals with fidget spinners? Turning the stem parts into a fidget spinner rack? LOL I don't even like fidget spinners...
3D Printing Nerd Wow you answered. Well sorry to waste your time, and in my experience an isopropyl cloud should do the trick. Also your videos have convinced me that the Prusa i3 is the 3D printer for me.
interesting. i wonder what the deal with the super slow elevator is. it seems like it would have been much easier and cost effective to just have a door on the front of the polisher. maybe they are forcing a delay so the part has time to recure a little before you touch it. hmm
Hey Joel, you should try printing a model in dual materials both similar colors but one polysmooth and the other regular. then run it through the polysher.
Looks super promising, but as for ABS smoothing, I keep wondering : how does the underneath of the part looks like ? With these spikes in the "buildplate", does the bottom gets smoothed out as well, and if so, aren't there some marks/"holes" from the spikes on the model ? Otherwise looks pretty neat, thanks for taking the time for such a detailed review !
i don't want to say that that product is bad but for 214 dollars is worthless , you can buy a usb mist maker for bottle and put it in a box and get it started and if you want the spining think just buy a spining display or make it yourself with a geared motor for just 15 dollars and thats only thet thinks shipping
I'd like to see some more tests done, like short vs long polysher times. Also, this is just an enclosure with a mister full of isopropyl alcohol, right? Doesn't seem hard to make a diy version. I also wonder what effects heating the alcohol would have, and/or heating the model before polyshing it. What's mainly stopped me from getting into 3d printing is the visibility of layer lines and having to spend time finishing parts that may extremely difficult to finish due to size and shape; but it seems every form of manufacturing needs finishing.
Nice video. One question I have is: Does this change the dimensions of the 3D Part, if so by how much? IE if you are printing gears then I would want them smooth, but the dimensions of the part I do not want to change.
i wonder if a ultrasonic mist maker would do the job. 3d Printing a case and probably adding a fan to stir up the generated mist should not be too difficult.
3D Printing Science Indeed it is ... If the speed of the lifting mechanism is any indication of the construction quality then yes 2/10 is a valid Mark. Additionally as it only appears to work with specific material (not generic) then it further deserves the low score. The list continues, for $300, a 2/10 seems fair.
Do you think the lower the speed the worse the quality? I agree that it could be faster but it is strange to give 2 for the whole system because of 30sec lifting process :) It would have been 1000€ if it could have worked with any material lol, do you imagine a guy inventing a Polysher in which you can use any material, its goona be a fidget spinner haha :P For me I would give 6.5/10 ;)
Joel, noticing that the flower models petals were smoother than the stems after being processed in the Polysher, is it possible that it's because some liquid alchohol has remained on the surface of the petals (because they are horizontal) during the processing, whilst any liquid alchohol would 'drip off' the stems (because they arevertical). This would mean that the petals have remained in contact with the liquid alchohol longer than the stems. Would it therefore be a good idea to test 2 x cubes - one cube sitting in the Polysher on its bottom surface and the other sitting on one of its sides?
Mist based technology is in this case also gravitational based so the more oriented toward the top your surface is the better, so you are absolutely right :)
Barry Manilowa !?!?!? Acetone is both extremely flammable and is toxic in higher amounts. Granted it's not as toxic as say MEK but... You still don't want to be expose yourself to the vapors for too long.
Barry Manilowa okay now I'm wondering if you're trying to troll me. Acetone might be used in like 10 to 20 ppb for things like that and yes we do produce minute quantities in our own bodies but nowhere near the purity or concentration that comes in commercial solvents. All of them have warnings against using in a poorly ventilated area both because of potential explosive issues and because it can cause breathing problems. I can testify to that, I was using pure acetone to clean up some enamel off of glass and the ventilation system was not working correctly. (I didn't notice the increasing levels of acetone because it was gradual and acetone has a strong smell to begin with. Both me and my coworker started feeling light headed. That's when I thankfully decided to open some doors (that weren't supposed to be opened when we're working for safety issues) and vented the room that way. We later found out that the vent system was only working at like 1/4 normal capacity because the motor had gone bad. So yeah in small doses acetone is pretty harmless but when you get to industrial strength stuff it's bad news.
Maybe they could simply make a rotating base with a vaporizer (cheap airbrush?) and have a clear cover that you place over it. And a small fan to blow the mist trough a discardable filter when finished. Or a spark to "automatically" lift the cover. 😁 Come to think of it: that also might help the finish. When making those red-with-yellow-roof pedal cars, they scorch the surface lightly for a glossy finish.
I wonder if you could apply IPA with an airbrush (or even a brush) and get a similar effect. I expect the health and safety police would have a fit though. Thinking about it, it would probably be a good flame thrower if there was an ignition.
If you used something whoch can spray a mist...put it into a spray boost...you could build one according to your size requirements...maybe even with several misting units...
How does exposure to the solvent effect strength? On the one hand it should increase the bonded surface area, but maybe exposure to the solvent makes it brittle?
amazing idea. the filament seems worth it. but 229$ for an over glorified humidifier seems steep. could probably rig one up using a standard humidifier and a glass jar.
How does the underside of the models look like once they come out of the Polysher? Do you get a surface covered in "blobs" from the platform? I do print quite some stuff that should look good from all sides, like a fidget spinner to give you an example, and it would be counterproductive if you add defects to the side sitting on the platform. Adding a piece of glass or something flat on top of the platform as a flat surface could help. But i guess the print would stick to the glass on the edges after smoothing, and the side sitting on the glass would not get any alcohol treatment at all...
I wonder what it does with the vapor. Does it leak out when it is opened? Also I don't understand the point of the paint vs primer comparison if both are spray. Like aren't they more or less the same thing? Especially if no actual testing occurred other than aesthetics. ie scratch resistance, different types of paint finish etc etc. Maybe I'm way overthinking all this but wouldn't it be better to test between spray paint and brushed on or something like that? By the way, IMHO the two tone red-blue dragon looks pretty fly as it is.
Are flexible materials able to be put inside without changing the flexibility of it , or if it has moving parts would it make the parts stick together?
Your video quality it is just amazing, which type of camera are you using? Machines are not perfect of course sanding is necessary, the quality is just incredible thank you for sharing
Have you tried, a bathing the parts in a small tub of isopropalene? or something similar (ie wipes), to see if you can get the same result on the material or similar at a much reduced cost of not having to purchase the machine but the filament its self?
it's a bit of a hassle with that automated open/close system, but considering 3d printing takes alot of time they made it intentionally slow *lol* tho youre "force" seemed to help!! would this also work with acetone? (ofcourse with the machine being made of materials that can handle acetone , and the mist is way less the the isoprol) great review as always and a great adition for the "hardcore" printers! i really love your collection of machines
So over here in the UK it’s running on Amazon at £400 (+/-) . With a filament printer outlay plus that.......Not sure if thats going to beat the Elegoo Mars resin system in overall cost terms for most people.
Joel, Interesting experiment. I don't have a 3D printer, yet so can't run my own experiment. Wonder what the appearance of regular PLA would look like if sanded and then smoothed with a heat gun?
Tried some polysmooth for printing but it did not print like PLA at all for me. It ended up curling up really bad on the edges causing a loss of adhesion. The curling would retain even after the failed print was removed.
Thank you for an informative video on something actually new in the 3d printing world!!!! Okay , only been 3d printing for 9 months, but this is new to me.
What instructions do they give about using the machne safely ? I would imagine that as your creating a mist out of a flammable liquid , the risk of fire and explosions become more of a concern
I get why they have a mechanical opening system, vaporized IPA isn't something you want to breathe, but the pageantry is a little too much. Edit: a more economical and more large print friendly design would more resemble a microwave, I think. Using an electronic lock to prevent opening it with a cloud of IPA inside.
What happens if you just rub the piece with the alcohol? Would that smooth it? I'm just looking at 3d printers now and am trying to decide which one to get. Right now it's between the ender3, cr-20 and the Monoprice Voxel... any advice there is appreciated too.
Hmm... another idea: use isopropyl alcohol based paint in an airbrush with the polysmooth filament. Just do keep in mind that one is creating a cloud of flammable alcohol in the air...
He Joel, have you tried using the machine for some sort of 28mm (=1.somthing inches) models for tabletop games. I'd love to use this in order to get rid of some complicated sanding/"other cleaning up stuff". IF (big IF) this works, that material and device could really mean a revolution for "making-my-own-miniatures"
It’s literally just a vapor polishing chamber.... you don’t even need the mister, just close the lid and let the alcohol evaporate inside.... just need a riser above a container.... same process I use for vapor polishing polycarbonate after machining with acetone vapor
I almost want to buy this for the express purpose of printing minis of the members is Spinal Tap so I can place them on the stage together and watch the lights and “smoke machine” make magic.
ahahahahahahaha a whole other level of awesomeness
Then you'll have to make an even smaller Stonehenge model.
Why did they have to have a motor raising the platform?!?!?! It would be so much easier to have a manual handle you could pull up, maybe With a Lock so you cant open it while its going, but it would also be so much better. Look at the time that platform uses to lift up! Its like 30 Seconds! And it would also be cheaper to produce it without that motor....
Seriously, I see no up-side to that feature. More costly, risk of breaking down, and of course, frustratingly slow.
Ananords its to keep the isopropyl alcohol inside the chamber. I do agree though it should've had a locking mechanism like on a GoPro waterproof case.
People will take the risk to tip over the model while wanting to remove it or put it inside, this feature allows it to not take any risk :) (but could be a little faster whitout taking the risk to tip over the model during the process I think)
For sci fi drama.... just needs more mist, and sound effects.
Contrary to popular belief...automation doesn't have to replace everything people can do. Imho, the motorized lift is a costly and unencessary example.
So basically you can get a clear tub... A reptile fogger... And make this for about 40 dollars. And on top of that. It has a great feature called a lid that's instantaneous when wanting to remove your 3d print.
People willing to make their own Polysher will do it im sure, people who dont wont :) Not a product for everybody :)
3D Printing Science not a product for people who don't have money to throw away.
The beeps and bloops and pretty lights aren't worth the price of admission.
Like I said, if people can build it for cheaper then will go ahead :) This product cost 300 bucks, whether it worth it or not is up to the one buying it :)
Yeah, i can make a better one with $70. Not buying this thing.
Its a crap design, bloody feature creep ruined a potentially decent product.
That machine is unnecessarily complicated.
There are a number of moving parts, aren't there? I think the rotating platform IS good, but, the slow moving mechanism seems like it's not required.
Seems like it would have been a better idea to circulate the vapor, rather than rotate the platform. That would let you use the entire space, rather than wasting about half of it as it currently does. Then replace the moving platform nonsense with a door and let people just fill the thing up with their models and have big batch runs. Or just put bigger stuff in there and not be limited by the tiny circular opening.
Would have been a better, simpler, cheaper product.
Also, it's crazily overpriced. $299?
It essentially just a regular medical nebuliser, a turntable, encased in a transparent chamber. The rest are bells and whistles... I like the LEDs and the band-stand stage is cool...
Until about 30 years ago nebulisers were bulky expensive medical grade equipment for treating respiratory disease like asthma. About 20 years ago models emerged for use at home, but they were still fairly large and required a good dose of mains power to work. Today you can buy mobile nebulisers that fit in your pocket, and those humidifiers you see in Winter for $20 are the same technology.
So for the tinkerers I think you could probably come up with a DIY version fairly easily...so like the OPs said, a little over engineered and definitely expensive.
Massively over-engineered, and a lot of that over-engineering contributes to a lot of the price. Raising platform? Never heard a of door? Not only does does waiting for it make Joel look like Ernie (5:45) but it's just utterly pointless - they could have a big door that would do the same job and let you put larger objects in. I don't have much issue with turning it but a low speed fan circulating inside would probably have the same effect.
Lol it needs elevator music for the raising and lowering XD
Bahahahaha
Same exact thought
LOL, yeah :D
Fun fact: that kind of music is called muzak.
You sir are a genius
Can you make a video doing a comparison of using the machine vs just putting the alcohol in a spray bottle and spraying that way?
Looks a little over-complicated for me.
I mean, you'd get similar results with just a vaguely heated container.
Like, why does the 'bed' need to be motorized? Just a pull-handle would be fine.
People would take the risk to tip over the model while trying to remove it or put it inside.
Btw there is no heat involve in the Polysher.
No heat needed with polysmooth. since you using a cloud of IPA you wouldnt want any heat. your explosivness may happen.
So... Did the company mention if there was a reason for the slowly ascending/descending servo-powered platform? Cause that, alone, is enough to make it a big nope, for me. I'm impressed that you managed to stay so calm through this video.
so it wont tip over the model, if waiting 30 sec is a dealbreaker i dont think you should purchase it in the first place
Especially at 300 bucks.
Make it faster might tip over the model when arriving to the top or bottom. I m sure we can try to play with acceleration to avoid this risk but for now, it is 30sec :)
Why Does it have to be motorized? Why not have it manual operated with some sort of smooth resistance gearing built in as you pull it up or push it down.
Why not just make a simple door. But I guess thats not cool enough....
i'm drunk or rocket disappeared at 3:28
both
wat in ternatin
What the fuck
mother of jumpcuts :O
I think he's a wizard
It's a vaporizer inside a Tupperware container. You can make something that does the same thing with a brand new vaporizer and a Rubbermaid bin from Wal-Mart for under $50. but it won't have the bat cave elevator.😕
I think the main point is safety as people are using it at home.
Marcel LeMay you can... If you want to have leaks,uneven sprays,and just straight up dangerous bullshit in the air.
+R.O.B Nin if you're using an airtight container, you won't have leaks. Even if not, this tiny droplets of alcohol, not vapour. So it won't float away into the air.
And if it leaks some of the alcohol you can get drunk for free at the same time!
yeah vapers do this all the time. Just stick some alchohol in your vape and go to town on the model
Why didn't you take close-up shots of the models before putting them in? So much for a control, at least for us
+Non Zamfir shot late at night and forgot. Yup I suck.
:( nah, you don't. Positive criticism I hope.
It's all I wanted for goodness sake, to see the actual results.
Could upload some photos and link em in the description Mr Nerd? At least of the 3 flowers?
3D Printing Nerd you are a painfully real person I no longer feel alone
Just an important FYI. I hope you and other users realize that isopropyl alcohol can be VERY flammable. It usually comes in 50%, 70%, 91%, and 99% strengths. The 99% is so flammable that it is usually kept behind the pharmacy counter, rather than on shelves out in the aisles because of the fire hazard. The alcohol "mist" would certainly add to the possibility of a fire. Alcohol burns with a difficult-to-see blue flame as well.
Please warn anyone using this device that extreme care is necessary. Always have a good, working, proper multi-use fire extinguisher close at hand. It is labeled as a "severe fire hazard" by the National Fire Protection Association. Toxicity of the fumes - both before and after burning - should be taken into account as well.
Nice vid Markiplier's dad
Thanks, also, very proud of my son.
I feel like you made the wrong comparison. You should have either showed sanded without the polish versus polish without the sanded or show sanded without polish versus sanded with polish. When you are showing how smooth it is, we don't know how much of the "smoothness" is a result of the sanding and if the polisher added anything to it.
I'm not convinced, mostly because this would be an easy thing to build for 25 bucks by anyone who has the slightest interest in building their own stuff. People who only want perfectly finished appliance products either wouldn't be into 3d printing or wouldn't want to fiddle with a fdm printer and would have one of the fancier liquid printers.
Personally I'd rather spend 300 on another el cheapo monoprice printer and have the ability to print more fast easy parts while my nice printer is doing the hard stuff.
HOWEVER- on the amazon product page for this, they have a very nice striped multi color cow, so extra points for the cow.
Not a product for everybody :)
I wonder if more than 20 minuets would smooth the non sanded model more. A test to see how long you can polish before you lose model detail would be interesting.
I imagine that using anything but the alcohol in the machine would be a bad idea, so are there any good methods for the acetone vapor method for non-Polysmoothe filaments?
yep acetone+abs and you dont even need a silly robot to do it for you.
print your abs and stick it and a acetone soaked papertowl under a glass and wait a few minutes
Christina Knight, I use 1.5 oz acetone in a presto multi cooker with pla @ 200°. The heat helps with annealing & the acetone vapor does a smoothing wash over it.
A closed glass on the heated bed of your printer
With a $300 budget I'd try and get a vacuum table and a glass bell jar. useful for other stuff too if you get a vacuum pump
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After watching your video I got one of these from Amazon. It arrived this morning and my first little model sees the round base "clicking" as if its supposed to spin and something is in the way. This vibration pretty quickly moved the little item to the edge of the platform, so after less than five minutes I had to abort the process. Only then I noticed the two notches are facing up on yours...I had them facing down. Thanks to your video, I opened it up, flipped the platform, and PRESTO!!! Thanks a ton! I've been into 3D printing about 3 years, but only now got back into it semi-seriously and I'm LOVING it! Plus, thanks to your videos I'm doing it better and loving it more than ever before! I did also purchase an airbrush, but that's the next level. Hehehe... Oh! And THANK YOU for the fantastic videos! Liked, Subscribed, and Notify :)
Hey Joel, what happens if you throw a normal PLA model in that bad boy?
It gets very goey on the outside. A bit melty. But that's it. Not really smoothed.
Christian Riesen ur name is not Joel idiot
You will have a wet model :D
Ryan Haley why can't he tell us what he knows
Ryan Haley He is just trying to be helpful, unlike you.
I love the dual red/blue colour on the dragon, looks amazing just the way it is
2:20
Future upgrade could be a rotating cap so that you can more easily get prints out of it without having to finagle them past the cap.
That's not a bad idea.
Jay Calhoun Or just put the front plastic shield on a hinge and open that like a door to avoid the whole vertical platform entirely
Ounce of Tech That would work too. tho, i think there moght be a reason as to why they didn't do that in the first place.
Ounce of Tech, i assume the vertical platform is to provide a better seal when the chamber is closed, with a front door you run more of a risk of leaking out IPA mist outside of the chamber, (which can be explody)
Joel, I would like to see what Bill from Punished Props could do with a prop part printed in polysmooth, sanded as well as he could, and then vapor smoothed. I bet it would look like an injected molded part. And then to have it painted would look even more awesome.
I see a huge flaw. No Gmax sized prints allowed D:
Not yet. Perhaps this tech will scale?
I don't see why not. I'm purely guessing as to how it works, but just having more pumps/sprayers over a larger area should allow it to scale. Though, you should try smoothing a few minor prints manually with the alcohol. If you can, someone could, in theory, manually smooth a print that can't fit in the smoother.
great video. The close ups of the prints after the treatments made this video.
I agree with the other poster though, I'm surprised that the head of the device doesn't come off for easy removal of larger prints.
That Dragon looks really cool with the two tone pant job on it.
3:28 That was smooth as fuck
try and smooth a vase made out of clear filament. would it turn more see-through?
it does indeed! check out the picutres on their kickstarter page it does indeed make it alot more tranparent
Everyone : *talking about the machine*
Me: I want that rock slime
Yay! Slime Rancher! :D
Yes
The hunter slime is my fav
Yea, it looks awesome. Needs paint!!
Honey slime is best
For me the jury is still out on the polysher, but the material is awesome! If you put some of your spare support material in a pool of rubbing alcohol, it turns into a goo that you can use as cement and gap filler. Basically the same concept as what Bill Doran was talking about with the ABS slurry. The great thing is that it bonds and gap fills in one process. And if you want to smooth the seam, you're not dealing with 2 different materials. Thanks for making me aware of this!
lol put a lit candle in there
Bsssst..... Kabooom! :-)
Smooth...real smooth...
Thanks so much for the vid! I remember recommending a full review of it a while ago and you commented you would. Glad to see it !
I must say I'm so conflicted. In a perfect world where I wasn't a busy broke college student I would get it. It's a big risk to buy the expensive specific filament and the polysher. But man the finish on it looks so nice. Looks like a professional toy that you would buy in a store. I wish I wish. Maybe one day ... maybe if I win some rolls of the polysmooth filament and i like it I'll get the polysher
Only $300...
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Coby Crafter lol I bought my printer for $300
Very cheap considering how much is a quality 3d printer.
Ronan B lmao this is an overpriced overbuilt piece of tech garbage. would be easier and cheaper to make your own vaporizer in a container
Exactly, for such a simple machine there is very little value for $300, you got a vaporizer, tube and a timer. For a SMALL fraction you could very easily make a decent copy.
Lets not forget how cool it is that it exists. Improvements are inevitable. Thanks for the video.
don't care what it does, i want one it goes up and down on it's own
The maker of this machine should add the functionality of playing "Ride of the Valkyries" music when it is rising and lowering the platform.
Lets do a comparison where I don't show you the control version up close.......pointless...
SO POINTLESS
The main thing I got from this video is that your editing is legendary. Nice one with the rocket teleport!
3:26 really confused me for a second
How do you feel about replacing the Lego flower petals with fidget spinners? Turning the stem parts into a fidget spinner rack? LOL I don't even like fidget spinners...
why buy an expensive machine if you can do the same thing by yourself without the expensive machine
Because some people prefer that the machine do it for them :)
why to travel from NY to LA on a car, if you can walk?
+100 on Ivan Kvasau's comment. Besides not everyone uses 3D printing for only fun. Some people use it for profit. Time is money.
8:26 wtf it's so trippy. Is that two recordings from the same spot?
Will it also clean bongs?
I mean, I don't know?
3D Printing Nerd Wow you answered. Well sorry to waste your time, and in my experience an isopropyl cloud should do the trick. Also your videos have convinced me that the Prusa i3 is the 3D printer for me.
Not a waste at all, it's a legit question! Sorry I didn't know off the top of my head. If you get a Prusa i3, you won't be disappointed.
Thanks for not zooming in. Wow I can really see the smoothness from this distance. Maybe a little further away. Till I can't see.
+BLACK SHEEP SQUADRON pull back? You got it!
"Lower the unnecessarily slow dipping mechanism!"
Did Dr Evil design that platform?
Lower the platform incredibly slowly.
Could you try a "normal" PLA so see if it have effect on thos?
It wont :/ PLA doesnt react with alcohol
interesting. i wonder what the deal with the super slow elevator is. it seems like it would have been much easier and cost effective to just have a door on the front of the polisher. maybe they are forcing a delay so the part has time to recure a little before you touch it. hmm
The door on the front is not safe, when opening mist left in the chamber could go out :/
low-key extremely salty about 30 sec wait time to get prints in/out lol
Hey Joel, you should try printing a model in dual materials both similar colors but one polysmooth and the other regular. then run it through the polysher.
3:28 the rocket moves mid sentence
The Creality CR-10 Lucky Cat comes off the bench smoother than any of those prints. I hope you review it!
what happens to regular pla/abs?
Absolutely nothing.
It gets moist
Spikey DaPikey ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
Now if only we can just find a relatively safe way to smooth prints in regular PLA without years of sanding..
The solvents that work on PLA are nasty. So forget about safety.
Looks super promising, but as for ABS smoothing, I keep wondering : how does the underneath of the part looks like ? With these spikes in the "buildplate", does the bottom gets smoothed out as well, and if so, aren't there some marks/"holes" from the spikes on the model ? Otherwise looks pretty neat, thanks for taking the time for such a detailed review !
+3D Printing Nerd,
Could you show a pic/video of the underneath of the model and how they're affected y the spikes ?
i don't want to say that that product is bad but for 214 dollars is worthless , you can buy a usb mist maker for bottle and put it in a box and get it started and if you want the spining think just buy a spining display or make it yourself with a geared motor for just 15 dollars and thats only thet thinks shipping
Not a product for everybody :)
I'd like to see some more tests done, like short vs long polysher times.
Also, this is just an enclosure with a mister full of isopropyl alcohol, right? Doesn't seem hard to make a diy version. I also wonder what effects heating the alcohol would have, and/or heating the model before polyshing it.
What's mainly stopped me from getting into 3d printing is the visibility of layer lines and having to spend time finishing parts that may extremely difficult to finish due to size and shape; but it seems every form of manufacturing needs finishing.
Great idea, but 300$... It's just a waste of money.
Not a product for everybody :)
Nice video. One question I have is: Does this change the dimensions of the 3D Part, if so by how much? IE if you are printing gears then I would want them smooth, but the dimensions of the part I do not want to change.
2:41 what! Did you just say it Wet The bed Joe? lol
i wonder if a ultrasonic mist maker would do the job. 3d Printing a case and probably adding a fan to stir up the generated mist should not be too difficult.
At the price of a do-it-yourself 3D printer, I would rate this a 2/10 ... a slow moving mess.
2/10 is a really bad mark :/
3D Printing Science Indeed it is ... If the speed of the lifting mechanism is any indication of the construction quality then yes 2/10 is a valid Mark. Additionally as it only appears to work with specific material (not generic) then it further deserves the low score. The list continues, for $300, a 2/10 seems fair.
Do you think the lower the speed the worse the quality? I agree that it could be faster but it is strange to give 2 for the whole system because of 30sec lifting process :)
It would have been 1000€ if it could have worked with any material lol, do you imagine a guy inventing a Polysher in which you can use any material, its goona be a fidget spinner haha :P
For me I would give 6.5/10 ;)
It is in consumables where shysters really rake over their customers. Everyone knows that.
The real problem I have is that the 3d filament it uses is on average around 2 to 4 times what I pay for either PLA or ABS.
Joel, noticing that the flower models petals were smoother than the stems after being processed in the Polysher, is it possible that it's because some liquid alchohol has remained on the surface of the petals (because they are horizontal) during the processing, whilst any liquid alchohol would 'drip off' the stems (because they arevertical). This would mean that the petals have remained in contact with the liquid alchohol longer than the stems. Would it therefore be a good idea to test 2 x cubes - one cube sitting in the Polysher on its bottom surface and the other sitting on one of its sides?
Mist based technology is in this case also gravitational based so the more oriented toward the top your surface is the better, so you are absolutely right :)
or you can do it yourself with an upside down bowl and alcohol ... don't waste your money on this!
I am not sure of the result tho :)
Was there a mention of how expensive the special filament is relative to "normal" PLA?
I didn't mention it in the video, but Amazon has 750g rolls for $39.99, which is less expensive than the Polymaker Polymax PLA.
Definitely much safer than ABS and acetone
Barry Manilowa !?!?!? Acetone is both extremely flammable and is toxic in higher amounts. Granted it's not as toxic as say MEK but... You still don't want to be expose yourself to the vapors for too long.
Barry Manilowa okay now I'm wondering if you're trying to troll me. Acetone might be used in like 10 to 20 ppb for things like that and yes we do produce minute quantities in our own bodies but nowhere near the purity or concentration that comes in commercial solvents. All of them have warnings against using in a poorly ventilated area both because of potential explosive issues and because it can cause breathing problems. I can testify to that, I was using pure acetone to clean up some enamel off of glass and the ventilation system was not working correctly. (I didn't notice the increasing levels of acetone because it was gradual and acetone has a strong smell to begin with. Both me and my coworker started feeling light headed. That's when I thankfully decided to open some doors (that weren't supposed to be opened when we're working for safety issues) and vented the room that way. We later found out that the vent system was only working at like 1/4 normal capacity because the motor had gone bad. So yeah in small doses acetone is pretty harmless but when you get to industrial strength stuff it's bad news.
Wait so do you have to use a special filament to use the polisher?
Yes, you have to use Polysmooth.
Maybe they could simply make a rotating base with a vaporizer (cheap airbrush?) and have a clear cover that you place over it. And a small fan to blow the mist trough a discardable filter when finished. Or a spark to "automatically" lift the cover. 😁
Come to think of it: that also might help the finish. When making those red-with-yellow-roof pedal cars, they scorch the surface lightly for a glossy finish.
also smoothing like this will close pores and won't let water pass so if you want to have some bottle or container to be waterproof this will help
clever editing with the rocket at the begging, props to your editor
I wonder if you could apply IPA with an airbrush (or even a brush) and get a similar effect. I expect the health and safety police would have a fit though. Thinking about it, it would probably be a good flame thrower if there was an ignition.
If you used something whoch can spray a mist...put it into a spray boost...you could build one according to your size requirements...maybe even with several misting units...
How does exposure to the solvent effect strength? On the one hand it should increase the bonded surface area, but maybe exposure to the solvent makes it brittle?
amazing idea. the filament seems worth it. but 229$ for an over glorified humidifier seems steep. could probably rig one up using a standard humidifier and a glass jar.
Joel.
Print in Single Color Polysher then Polysmooth and Paint ? OR Print in Multi-Filament Polysher then Polysmooth ? Hmmmm.....
How does the underside of the models look like once they come out of the Polysher? Do you get a surface covered in "blobs" from the platform? I do print quite some stuff that should look good from all sides, like a fidget spinner to give you an example, and it would be counterproductive if you add defects to the side sitting on the platform. Adding a piece of glass or something flat on top of the platform as a flat surface could help. But i guess the print would stick to the glass on the edges after smoothing, and the side sitting on the glass would not get any alcohol treatment at all...
You can polish the model in different position and use a holder to hang the part, it will depend on the part geometry :)
I wonder what it does with the vapor. Does it leak out when it is opened? Also I don't understand the point of the paint vs primer comparison if both are spray. Like aren't they more or less the same thing? Especially if no actual testing occurred other than aesthetics. ie scratch resistance, different types of paint finish etc etc. Maybe I'm way overthinking all this but wouldn't it be better to test between spray paint and brushed on or something like that? By the way, IMHO the two tone red-blue dragon looks pretty fly as it is.
Are flexible materials able to be put inside without changing the flexibility of it , or if it has moving parts would it make the parts stick together?
What kind of paint is used? The finish looks so similar as an automobile paint 👏🏻
Your video quality it is just amazing, which type of camera are you using? Machines are not perfect of course sanding is necessary, the quality is just incredible thank you for sharing
Have you tried, a bathing the parts in a small tub of isopropalene? or something similar (ie wipes), to see if you can get the same result on the material or similar at a much reduced cost of not having to purchase the machine but the filament its self?
May I ask what spray paint you are using because that red is beautiful it is a beautiful shade of red
I wonder if a careful application of ultrasound could work wonders.
it's a bit of a hassle with that automated open/close system, but considering 3d printing takes alot of time they made it intentionally slow *lol*
tho youre "force" seemed to help!!
would this also work with acetone? (ofcourse with the machine being made of materials that can handle acetone , and the mist is way less the the isoprol)
great review as always and a great adition for the "hardcore" printers!
i really love your collection of machines
Acetone will damaged the Polysher, so its not recommended :/
The super slow lift movement is the most important part, because we don't have hands to do that
So over here in the UK it’s running on Amazon at £400 (+/-) . With a filament printer outlay plus that.......Not sure if thats going to beat the Elegoo Mars resin system in overall cost terms for most people.
Joel,
Interesting experiment. I don't have a 3D printer, yet so can't run my own experiment. Wonder what the appearance of regular PLA would look like if sanded and then smoothed with a heat gun?
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Tried some polysmooth for printing but it did not print like PLA at all for me. It ended up curling up really bad on the edges causing a loss of adhesion. The curling would retain even after the failed print was removed.
Thank you for an informative video on something actually new in the 3d printing world!!!! Okay , only been 3d printing for 9 months, but this is new to me.
Couldn't you just use a case vibrator, used for cleaning cartridge casings, using polishing media? Would this work for PLA?
I bet you could fill it with water instead of alcohol and use it to wash an action figure for customizing
what if you light a match? Wouldn't that hasten the smoothing process?
Not sure if anyone has asked, but have you tried just dunking a Polysmooth part in a container of iso alcohol?
What instructions do they give about using the machne safely ? I would imagine that as your creating a mist out of a flammable liquid , the risk of fire and explosions become more of a concern
There is a big sticker at the top with a warning text
I get why they have a mechanical opening system, vaporized IPA isn't something you want to breathe, but the pageantry is a little too much.
Edit: a more economical and more large print friendly design would more resemble a microwave, I think. Using an electronic lock to prevent opening it with a cloud of IPA inside.
What happens if you just rub the piece with the alcohol? Would that smooth it? I'm just looking at 3d printers now and am trying to decide which one to get. Right now it's between the ender3, cr-20 and the Monoprice Voxel... any advice there is appreciated too.
Hmm... another idea: use isopropyl alcohol based paint in an airbrush with the polysmooth filament. Just do keep in mind that one is creating a cloud of flammable alcohol in the air...
+3D Printing Nerd Did you get some clear filament? Have you tried something in vase mode and then polyshing? I wonder how clear it might get.
I did, and I tried a bit of that on my "Benchy in a Bottle" video. I hope to try more.
What kind of sand paper should I get to sand my models ?
I would like to see a comparison between XTC-3D smooth-on and this machine. IMHO de XTC-3D has a much nicer result for a fraction of the cost.
He Joel, have you tried using the machine for some sort of 28mm (=1.somthing inches) models for tabletop games. I'd love to use this in order to get rid of some complicated sanding/"other cleaning up stuff". IF (big IF) this works, that material and device could really mean a revolution for "making-my-own-miniatures"
It’s literally just a vapor polishing chamber.... you don’t even need the mister, just close the lid and let the alcohol evaporate inside.... just need a riser above a container.... same process I use for vapor polishing polycarbonate after machining with acetone vapor
I'd like to see if putting a model in for longer if the effect would be better. Or maybe it would melt.... I'd like to see a video of that though.
It would be over polyshed, but I think he could have put the model longer. Sometime it helps to polish the model in different positions