THE TRUTH Behind Why the St. Louis Rams Really MOVED to LA
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Los Angeles has remained a fixture in the business side of the NFL, despite the rotating carousal of franchises that have come and gone from the City of Angels.
Any time an owner wanted something from the franchise’s city for their stadium, they would leverage the tantalizing opportunity to move their team to Los Angeles.
Because Los Angeles has always been such a powerful market, the owners were able to use the prospects of a westward move to hardball the local politicians into corralling enough tax dollars for whatever renovations that they felt their stadium needed.
Like when Colts Owner, Jim Irsay, kept his airplane at the nearby Van Nuys Airport - in plain sight - to signal that he was having meetings with local officials about moving the Colts to L.A.
Sure, it was PROBABLY just posturing, but Indianapolis wasn’t risking it and they signed a deal to help Irsay and the Colts build a new venue in Indy shortly after.
Today we present How Did the Rams Move From St Louis to LA?
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The Chargers should've stayed in San Diego.
Yes. The Chargers should have stayed in San Diego, but the Spanoses could not convince the city where to build the team's palatial new home to replace archaic Qualcomm Stadium.
@Michigan Wolverine in Austin It was on a new stadium I believe. The statdium would of cost like 1 Billion dollars.
Chargers should have stayed, Rams we're ok to move to LA. Raiders to Vegas
@Michigan Wolverine in Austin they did hold a vote, but they only allowed the citizens of the city to vote, not the Incorporated or county areas. It didn't fail by much, so not allowing them to vote was huge
They're kind of like the Jets of New York
How many folks knew the Rams started in Cleveland?
Was just going to say that . And i think they beat the Rams in the championship game in 1946 .
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"and how many folks knew" the Los Angeles Rams est. in 1946, were the first major professional sports franchise on the West Coast..? and the first team to put a logo on their helmet...and the first team to get a T.V contract...and the first team to put 90,000+ fans in their seats... who knew?
@@conni70 LA sucks
The NFL needs LA a lot more than LA needs the NFL.
Yes, but their main need for 25 years was to use LA as a leverage to pry new stadiums out of other cities. They were quite happy to dangle LA over the others to pressure them into paying up. After having gone 25 years without our team they were close to losing the local fan base.
@@ravenmoon5111 Raiders own LA always. As a Rams fan it pisses me off we could’ve use the last 27 years to build the Rams fan base here in LA. Oh well 2 super appearances and 1 win is a good start… just like St. Louis lol
@@BakerZone760 I think In 20 years by now, if the rams win another super bowl and continue to consistently have winning seasons, I could definitely see the Rams having a strong fanbase in LA
The reason the attendance was so low is we had the worst stretch of football ever going 6-42 what do you expect. Once Kroenke got full ownership he wanted the team out. All he wanted was to line his pockets. Now that he is in La he pays for good players. St. Louis got screwed by a greedy owner. Don’t forget we offered to help build a stadium with over 500mil in public money.
Cards_fan 1993 oh the irony.
STL is and will always be a baseball city anyway
Say it with me Los Angeles Rams!!!!!!
@@saltuponwounds2118 nobody gives a fuck about the rams LA or STL.... in STL nobody showed up in LA the visiting team gets more fans rams were a flash in the pan in the late 90s Early 00s and have since been all but forgotten and the NFC championship was a fluke everybody knows this and they'll be mediocre for next 30 years
@@hell-sol5240The Rams sold out every game in St.Louis for the first 11 years they were there. It wasn't until Kronke took over that it was obvious that he wanted to move the team and tanked it to have a excuse for moving. Don't blame St.Louis for this. Blame Kronke.
The "Showtime" era Los Angeles Lakers of the 1980s did not play at the Staples Center. They played at the Forum in Inglewood.
Uh, oh! Another factual issue with this urbanite, coastie video really makes it look BIASED.
Thank you! Probably something only a small percentage saw that red flag right away lol
@Kenneth Erickson Yes, but when the Lakers were in Minneapolis (1948-60), they were also named for the huge ships carrying agricultural stuff up and down the St. Lawrence Seaway during World War II.
@Kenneth Erickson, indeed they were.
I think sometimes that the writers and narrators were actually born yesterday.
This video didn’t report the whole story.
Why yes the city said no to spending $700 million in renovations on the dome. It wasn’t because they were being cheap it was because it made no financial sense. Had the city of St. Louis did the renovations it didn’t mean the Rams would of stayed long term, it would of only kept them there 10 more years which what was left on the lease. The means when the lease was up the Rams could just up and leave. The renovation proposal the Rams offered was never supposed to be accepted. The Rams were just looking to get out of that lease early and they knew that city would so no to spending that kind money for 10 years.
Second, the Rams and Stan Kroenke lied to city of St. Louis and season ticket holders when they asked about his purchase of land in Inglewood. Matter of fact, Stan Kroenke was rarely in St. Louis during here tenure there. He came for the games and left soon after. He wasn’t involved in the community like the Blues and Cardinals ownership. He made it clear that he didn’t want to be in St. Louis.
Third, when the Inglewood project was announced, the city went to the NFL(because Kroenke never spoke to them)and asked what they needed to do to keep the team and was told they needed a new stadium. So the city spent millions of dollars on designing a new stadium and tax money to build it even though they were still paying off the dome. They did all that and the NFL said it wasn’t adequate.
Finally, when the relocation committee went over both the Inglewood proposal and the Carson proposal, they chose the Carson project. And that was when Jerry Jones stepped in and made sure the Rams got to go to LA even though Carson would of taken care of both the raiders and chargers, and the rams would of received and new stadium as well.
The game was fixed from the beginning. Kroenke kept the team bad to lower fan support, alienated himself from St. Louis, worked with the NFL to moved the team. This is why St. Louis is suing the Rams and the NFL because they broke their own rules when it comes to relocation. Kroenke never negotiated with the city in good faith, he never exhausted all the possibilities to keep the team there, and he moved the team to make more money. Not because of fan support but land in Southern California is worth a whole lot more than in Missouri.
A very comprehensive and accurate comment....
But it's "would've".
😉
Then it seems St. Louis made a bad error in judgement by offering a shady character a deal they didnt want him to accept, thinking he wouldnt take advantage of them for doing so. Shot themselves in the foot.
snappy452 you have it backwards. The Rams wanted St. Louis to pay the 700 million and the city refused.
The lease negotiations between the team and the city happened every couple of years. The difference was that the previous owner only asked for minimal upgrades.
Wrong! If stl would of done the damn renovations kroenke would of had to stay for the 10 years. Stl knee by not doing the renovations kroenke could get up and leave. Whose the idiot their? Stl they where stupid to give Georgia frontier that sweet deal. If they would of never given the Rams a sweet deal Rams would of never even gone to stl. Glad the Rams left stl.
Ya can have the chargers. The St. Louis Chargers. Imagine that ;)
They were lucky with the support they got in St. Louis. I think we supported the Rams pretty well for a franchise that was intentionally ran into the ground.
I was a Ram fan when they were first in L.A. Los Angeles never will publicly support a private stadium.
They never did. I hated the Cardinals moving from St. LOUIS. I miss that team.
@@DS-xp4jb I have a Big Red history book written by author Greg Marecek. Owner Bill Bidwell wanted a football only stadium. Accoding to Greg Mareck he blamed their moving on STL City and County not working togther and each wanting their location for a new stadium resulting in no stadium. Fan support was never an issue and according to Greg Marececk Bill Bidwell wanted to stay in St. Louis. He then thought Arizona had agreed to give him that new stadium so he moved the Cardinals. It was pointed out to me by a football fan in STL on TH-cam that it was so ironic though it took Arizona 18 years to get Bill Bidwell to finally approve funding that new stadium as they played at a college foortball stadium all those years. Based on what happened with the Rams and the NFL a city had better have a local ownership. St. Louis is fortunate to have Enterprise finally being the one to step forward for the new soccer team in 2023 builing the stadium as that experience to get pro soccer was really frustrating over the years. Also very fortunate STL has solid ownership for the Blues and Cardinals at least for now. I was born in 1953 in STL and sure followed the STL Cardinals from 1960-1987. I know what you mean about missing them., but the super bowl years of the STL Rams were sure special. Kind of like the Blues finally winning a Stanley Cup in 2019.
I’m in LA, but I have to admit the fans in St Luis were there for the team. I hope another team graces your city soon
@@DS-xp4jb
The city made that clear for decades. That’s why we did not have a team until now. SK built SoFi with private funds, and you have to admit it is a stunning venue
@@ravenmoon5111 I keep thinking though only a local owner can be trusted like with Enterprise here building a new soccer stadium fo a team to start in 2023. The team play from 2007 through 2011 was brutal and STL knew the land bought by Kroenke in L.A. was not for WALMART.
It is just sad that NFL doesn't care about the fans anymore. I feel badly for the fan in San Diego and Oakland who have been supporting the teams for years.
teams have been moving since the beginning of professional sports. Nothing new
Oakland’s last days once more with the raiders
These two cities have jokes for stadiums. STL's stadium is a palace by comparison.
This was duplicitous on the part of the NFL. STL was still paying for the last broken promises on the dome when the Rams bolted.
King Baldwin IV Blane nfl
@@therealjaystone2344, I don't get what you are saying.
St Louis stole them first LA just stole them back.
The Chargers need to be in San Diego......Rams are better off in LA once they told Jeff Fisher goodbye.
The Rams have been no better off in LA.
@Louis Jost I always keep hearing LA is where the Rams belong. Well then how come the LA fans did not come out to Atlanta to support their team in the super bowl? How come they did not support the team the first time they were in LA? Why is it also everyone believes the Chargers belong in San Diego when the team was founded in LA? There is no consistency in anyone arguments it's all based on feelings and emotions. Well I think the Rams should be in LA so they belong there. It's all just a matter of opinion.
Rams should've got rid of Fisher before they move to LA, not after
dvferyance the rams in St. Louis were at one point the least valuable franchise in the nfl, and now they are the fourth most valuable, if you ask me, they are doing fine
@@dvferyance STFU you sound like a whiney ass bitch
Not a Cowboys fan but thank you Jerry J. for helping bring the Rams BACK TO LA!!!
Jones is a big a____hole!
The “showtime“ Lakers of the 1980s were not at Staples Center, they were at The Forum. Which is right next door to the soon to be new stadium of the Rams and Chargers
And the clippers new arena
Splash'n'Skillz #37 why are the clippers getting an arena.
@@jracer7189 want to get out of the Lakers shadow
@@splashnskillz37 To me, it's ironic that the reason the Clippers were lured to LA from San Diego was because the city of Los Angeles didn't like the fact that the Lakers were playing in Inglewood instead of Los Angeles. So now where are the Clippers moving? The Lakers' old home of Inglewood.
@@eddiejc1 lol
Stan Kroenke watched Major League and realized that if you suck and put out a crappy team for 10 years, public support diminishes. Then Kroenke goes to the NFL and says, that St. Louis doesn't support the team.
New York Yankees are better
I supported the Rams thick and thin and then as soon as they leave they started doing obvious things to improve the team that they could have done for years. I’m done with them though. I didn’t even care they made it to the super bowl.
Jason H St. Louis supported that team very well during the “greatest show on turf” days..
No. That’s what the skank did.
FEAR The Walking Don bullshit!!!!! The fans are under no obligation to pay good money for a shit product..
Great job mentioning the $800m St. Louis riverfront stadium... oh wait.
Too little too late. STL had their chance when they could have spent that money on renovations, but they chose not to. The lease was broken which opened the door for Rams to leave. All they had to so was accept the arbitrators ruling.
As soon as Stan bought Hollywood Park years before the move it was all over
@@Anvil35 it was actually all over before that after the lease was broken when STL decided against renovating the dome at the cost the arbitrator ruled.
FEAR The Walking Don the attendance was trash because the team was trash..
You mean the stadium proposal that came out after the move was approved? Too little too late.
When he saids "edward" it kinda sounds like "N-word" 😂😂😂
Stefano Consiglio Agreed! Played it back to make sure 😂😂
read comments just to see if anyone else noticed
😂😂😂😂 did sound like it..
What? Ninja?
Stefano Consiglio I thought so too..who else rewinded it back to confirm??
The interesting thing is that in 1994 Inglewood almost got a stadium. There were plans to build one between Hollywood Park, where So Fi Stadium is now, and the Forum. It would have been the new home for the Raiders as well as UCLA. However, Al Davis was in trouble with the IRS and needed money in a hurry and when Oakland offered him a lot of money to come back up there he took the money.
The real reason why the Chargers left San Diego
Tax payers voted no on the proposal, basically it really
Chargers wanted downtown stadium, while city wanted one outside downtown.
And Chargers passing up LA would mean Raiders would move to LA, making 2 SoCal teams for Chargers to compete with as opposed to Chargers only competing with Rams now.
@@kclefthanded427 Some have argued that the proposal was designed to fail.
3 words f you spanos
The business reason - tax
Do the worst head coach of every NFL team.
Giants: Ben Mcadoo
Rams: Jeff fisher
Panthers: George Seifert
@@theinconspicuousbxc george siefert won 2 Superbowls and 120 games so ge couldn't be the worst coach ever.
@@donnelladams340 For us, he was. First team, under his watch, to start 1-0, and lose 15 straight games.
I don't understand why the Chargers wanted to move to L.A. in the first place. Both the Rams and the Raiders kept active fanbases in L.A. even when outside of the city, and it was clear that the Chargers would be the 2nd team. The option to join the Rams was given first to the Chargers by the same reason: Kroenke didn't want another popular team (Raiders) in his new city.
I can see the Rams suceeding in L.A. And I can see the Raiders suceeding in Vegas. But for the Chargers... better start thinking about a return to San Diego in 10 years or so.
The reason is obvious: a cheapskate owner and a free stadium!
Raiders moving to Vegas and not LA makes perfect sense, Nevada doesn’t have state taxes and Vegas is only a 4 hour drive from LA
*Moved Back to LA. Misleading title
Che Is dead *sniff sniff* I smell bullshit *sniff sniff*
Respect to STL for watching over the Rams and winning a championship there. But now the Rams are home and just won the Super Bowl in Los Angeles and maybe many more to come as long as Mcvay is the Rams head coach. History will eventually forget that STL championship. While all the L.A chips they get will be talked about for centuries.
I want to just say f you! I will!!
They had poor attendance, cause they kept Jeff Fischer for too long. Kroenke tanked the team and made sure he had valid reasons for a relocation. The city of St. Louis was still paying for the Edwards Jones Dome as it was, that’s why they were stingy about building a new stadium or upgrading.
and georgia frontiere didn't do the same to move the rams to st.louis in the first place ??
@TJD 512016 that billion dollars should have been spent on the renovations for the dome when they had the chance, which would have kept the lease in tact and kept the Rams from moving, but they thought Kroenke was bluffing so they didn't do anything until it was too late and the lease was broken.
The Rachel Phelps Major League tactic. Tank on purpose to have a bullshit reason why they need to move because of poor attendance.
@@daveatkins3796 the reason they were allowed to move was because STL broke the lease by not funding the renovation of the dome. Had they done so, they lease would have still been in place and the team not allowed to leave. Enough with this tanking BS.
@@Italiantonio76 I'm not discrediting the fact that the city violated its terms with the team. This was partially due to the fact that previous owner G Frontiere waived the modifications to the stadium that was supposed to take place in exchange for cash for noncompliance. The city did violate their agreement by not making the stadium compliant with what was stated. And the Rams also did violate a contract term by playing a home game in London in 2014. Yes, I get the breach of contract between the two, no doubt about that. TBH, the city should not be using taxpayer money for a private entity, but that's a different argument for another day. My overall point was how Kroencke labeled the city not being a football city because of poor attendance and that the numbers were down. For years, the Rams were noncompetitive for a whole decade. During their Greatest Show on Turf days, those attendance numbers were high, as you can imagine. Teams that continuously suck have low numbers because fans don't wanna see losers, especially when teams just continuously don't put very much effort into the on-field product. Ask a Niners fan or a Redskins fan that. So, my overall point was when Kroencke attacked the city of St Louis for it being a city that doesn't care about football is nonsense. He was using a bit of skewed information to help bolster his cause. It's not like the city didn't offer another stadium proposal. If they didn't, then there might have been some validity to his claim. I'm not disagreeing with you, but I'm saying that Kroencke's notion that St Louis isn't a viable market is utter horseshit because if the Rams were any good, they would have higher numbers than what they had.
Now RAMS have won another SB Championship at LA!
LoL I didn't know Magic played in the Staples Center. Must be one of those Mandela Effects again.
Kroenke is a legend and hero for taking the Rams back where they belonged and righting the wrong that was so heinously committed by Georgia Frontiere 20 years prior.
everyone should be reminded...the rams moved BACK to la
Well, we did steal them first, from Cleveland...
@@ohrick8707 dude Cleveland was just breeding the sport to expand to the rest of the country
Read my latest comment
Oh yah Rams got championship in Cleveland Los Angeles then another SB championship in the Lou. We ain’t stupid fans we LA fans know our shit. Los Angeles Rams!
@@Quest4Unknown
Whats ironic is that when the Cleveland Rams came into the NFL in 1937 they were replacing a team that folded in 1934. That team was the St.Louis Gunners.
The rams kept Jeff Fisher... UNTIL THEY MOVED TO LA
the rams drafted horrible... UNTIL THEY MOVED TO LA
the rams didn’t win more than 8 games after Warner left... UNTIL THEY MOVED TO LA
I don’t see any sort of coincidence here. Kreonke wanted to leave the moment he bought the team
Facts
But they won their only SB in St. Louis. LA is fickle. They have better things to do with their time. They show up late to games and leave early. Cant fill the Dodgers up during WS or playoff runs. Didnt fill the Colosseum during the SB years in the 70s and 80s either.
"the rams drafted horrible...UNTIL THEY MOVED TO LA"
Aaron Donald: DROY and 2xDPOY drafted by St. Louis Rams in 2014
Todd Gurley: OROY and OPOY drafted by St. Louis Rams in 2015
Yeah...Rams really drafted horrible before L.A. SMH🙄
@TJD 512016 if trying use the "blind squirrel" metaphor here, in this case, the blind squirrel found the nut 3 years in a row (AD, Gurley, and Goff). I wouldn't doubt it that Stan had plans to move well in advance, but to say he both hired a bad coach and tried to F up in the draft on purpose is a load of garbage.
The fact of the matter is STL had their chance to keep the Rams. All they had to do was renovate the dome. They chose not to, which broke the lease and allowed the Rams to move.
@TJD 512016 As a Ram fan before, during, and after STL, I lived through it too. Whether before or after the move, the fact of the matter is they still hit the draft 3 years in a row. To say Rams screwed up in the draft and lost on purpose is nonsense.
They literally left because Stan Kroenke made up his mind YEARS ago that he was gonna move to LA. That’s it. He just wanted to be in LA. I’m from St. Louis and while it isn’t one of the top 8 NFL stadiums in the NFL, it isn’t a bad stadium. He just wanted his team in LA so he wouldn’t put good players on the field and St. Louisans stopped wanting to go to games. They put linebackers and DBs that couldn’t tackle, and while they gave Rams fans Steven Jackson, they easily ruined the careers of 2 QBs (Bulger and Bradford) by not giving them any O Line help and letting them get hurt every year. (Bradford would’ve been so much better throughout his career if not for those injuries. Also not a Rams fan. They never have been my favorite but I always rooted for them to succeed just because of the city. If they put competent players on the field and show any attempt to win, St. Louis would’ve supported them. (i.e. Cardinals and Blues)
Kyle Woodring why didn’t he simply partner with the GF in 1995 to keep the Rams in LA?
@@rspister I could be wrong but in 1995, I don't think Kroenke was even a part-Owner of the Rams upon it's move to St Louis.
AmericanGiant100 SK did, in fact, partner with her in 1995.
@@rspister Thanks for that info.
@@rspister Because it is intellectually far more lazy to blame a scapegoat than a series of events and circumstances.
The real reason rams came back to LOS ANGELES
MONEY
Los Angeles Lakers Nah, it was mainly because the didn’t want to fund a new stadium that the Rams wanted, and instead offer renovations which the Rams didn’t like at all. Also the Rams were in LA way before St. Louis.
Isn’t that what it’s always about?
The fan support in StL started to wane after the Greatest Show on Turf days ended
What people really don't know is that the Chargers were originally from LA as well
I was going to say "You mean MOVE BACK to LA"
Haha they were there for one season. In 1960 moved to SD in 1961 where the remained till 2016 there entire history is in San Diego no one even noticed they were in LA never truly was a LA stop using this as a fact.
@@GinaBlythe They were there for ONE season. "Move back" hardly seems appropriate in their case.
and the rams were from cleveland.
@@kingchris6627 Wrong. They were in LA from 1946 until 1995.
Wow - so, your revolutionary claim is that the owner moved the franchise to LA because... wait for it... it was a better business???
Who would have thought of that???
Green Bay has the best return on their investment. The taxpayers own the team and can’t have relocation used as a form of blackmail against them.
Taxpayers or public shareholders?
@@rspister Public shareholders.
@@sunk5244 I know. The guy incorrectly stated “taxpayers.”
The city should have atleast a 51% stake so things like this don't happen, and revenue can actually go back to the city instead of the billionaires pockets.
Kroenke knew he was going to move to LA the second he bought the team. He intentionally tanked the team
Damn right! Thank you Mr Kroenke!
Lady owner should never be a owner of a football team.
You can’t expect STL to pack the stands for a team that was just bad enough to not make the playoffs every year. That’s almost worse than going 0-16. The Rams put a horrible product on the field every year and just bc the attendance was low doesn’t mean they had no fans. STL loved the Rams, it was just hard to be a fan of a losing team every year
They where mostly 7-9 in the 2010s was that a losing season?
@@zaindennis95 yes i used to watch every single game growing up. they were ass
The only reason the attendance was so bad in St. Louis is because of the product on the field near the end of their time in the Gateway City. The Cardinals consistently draw 40,000+ fans almost every night for 81 Cardinal home games because they win. If the Rams would have at least been competitive after the '08 season, the attendance would have been much better. People in the Midwest are not going to pay money to see their team lose by record margins.
Diehard real sport fans show up to the games when they suck… stl is a bandwagon culture
Did you know that the first years, the rams played in st Louis, the rams had to play their home games at Busch stadium and university of Missouri stadium temporarily because the Edwards Jones stadium was not completed until the second half of that season.
You are 100% incorrect. The rams played only 5 home games at Busch 2 their 1st season in St. Louis. They never played a game at Faurot Field. Where did you get this info?
What's crazy is that Kronke is from Missouri and help orchestrate the Rams move to St. Louis in 1995. The man appears to have no soul, driven by money that he would abandon the home state.
@J R Their = They're
He's basically just a highly successful businessman, plus like many ultra-wealthy people he has a big ego. He undoubtedly enjoys being a hero to the NFL fans in Los Angeles for returning the Rams, and in building the league's most expensive and luxurious stadium complex. He's hardly the devil though, in fact he's personally financing the construction in Inglewood, not demanding public funding.
People like Kronke usually want little to nothing to do with where they grew up, it’s the whole ego running out of control when you become obscenely wealthy
It's amazing how in only 7 seasons back in LA the Rams have already accomplished as much as they did in the 20+ years they spent in St. Louis
Sure, if the owner wanta to win...
As a St. Louis citizen I’m glad the rams moved. When the rams moved I became a chiefs fan. Kansas City is where my heart belongs and I never got the love and excitement that I did watching the rams that I get for Kansas City.
LoL sure... #GORAMS
Shows you Rams did a great decision. Stl never supported the Rams
@@Trd2020 Oh, they didn't? So selling out every game for 12 straight seasons ('95-'06) is not good fan support? Lmao. ok.
@Party Bigfoot, Maybe you did.... But moving the Rams back to the 2nd largest media market in the country was a no-brainer! Also, you guys may want to STOP subsidizing stadiums for ultra wealthy team owners....
Just like every chiefs fan, most of them are bandwagons lol
The rams belonged in l.a. anyway...the raiders belong in oakland...and although the chatgers started in l.a. ...they belong in san diego.
The Raiders are forced to play in a crappy, ancient baseball stadium in a warzone. Of all teams that deserve to move, it's the Raiders. good luck in Vegas!
I heard on here that san Diego is looking to build a NFL stadium. The chargers aren't cutting it in los Angeles that was a big mistake moving them there
Gerorgia Fronterie should have never moved the LA Rams to St. Louis to begin with. It was an atrocious buisness decision. Moving the franchise out of the largest media area simply because a city offers you a new stadium? Insane. She devalued her team by well over 70% by moving to such a small television/marketing area. However, Forbes had the Rams valued at the bottom of the NFL when new owner Stan Kronke announced he was moving the Rams back to Los Angeles. Literally overnight the Rams became the 4th most valuable NFL franchise. Unlike her legendary husband, Fronterie had trouble operating a football franchise and was constantly having stadium issues. But moving the Rams from LA to St. Louis would be like moving the NY Giants to Greenville, SC....you just wouldn't do it.
St. Louis is about to take a billion $ from the NFL.
I’m glad the inglewood location was chosen, the new stadium construction site looks beautiful, the roof streaks across the sky and it looks fucking amazing. This stadium is going to be something special, for sure.
it looks like a fucking dorito
True 💯😀
Did anyone else hear Edward Jones Dome as "N-word Jones Dome"?
I have a feeling this meeting was the reason bob iger was let go from disney
THE CHARGES NEEDS GO BACK TO SAN DIEGO BUILD A NEW STADIUM WITH A DOME IN SAN DIEGO FOR THE CHARGES
The video fails to mention the quality of the teams that moved from St. Louis. Fans don't support a chronically bad team. The fan interest far outweighed the product on the field. It was amazing anyone came to the games in the last five years of the Rams and the Cardinals existence in St. Louis.
Not many did.
The NFL teams in St Louis only had 16 winning seasons in 49 years!!!
Kinda difficult to expect a fan base to support a team that was as God awful as the Rams were before they left STL. The last I checked, St. Louis fans have no problem supporting the Cardinals and Blues, 2 teams with owners who actually care about their fan bases and putting together competitive teams. And back when the Rams were decent, that stadium was full. The deal about the stadium was only made the way it was because the NFL screwed over STL with the expansion team that became the Jaguars. The city was left with a half built stadium and no team, so they made the lease agreement ridiculously team friendly to lure the LA Rams. But after all of that, I think STL is still better off. They have a perennial contender in the Cardinals (maybe not so much in the last few years, but still a good team), they have a Stanley Cup champion, and now they are getting an MLS team. STL will be just fine without the NFL.
2 words The Bears and the packers
@@DeadPizza Green Bay and Chicago fans are excellent and always supportive of their teams. I feel they are the exception though (unfortunately). Plus there is a ton of history there. People go to the games not just because the teams are good, but because it is a way of life. Their fathers/mothers and grandfathers/grandmothers went to the games and darn it they're going to the games too! Seriously though, props to their fan bases for always being there.
@@lukew1383 what about the eagles
The Bears have a comically small stadium for one of the biggest metro areas in the country. It takes nothing to sell out that tiny venue.
The St Louis Rams did go to 2 Super Bowls and won 1! I wouldn't call that "god awful"...but that's just me...smh. 🙄🙄🙄
GTFOH with the criticism of the attendance of the Rams. That franchise had six non-losing seasons in their 21 year stay. They generally drafted horribly and only had the Greatest Show On Turf years as a point of pride.
I’m sorry, when you have a franchise and a head coach that suck, people aren’t going to want to attend the games. St. Louis is one of the most loyal fan bases out there. We stick with the Blues and the Cardinals through the thick and the thin. The Rams were only in St. Louis 20 years, and had maybe 5 that they were competitive. Croenke just wants to get richer. #WeDontNeedCroenke #WeWantOurRams
*Kronke
Ummmm..the Showtime Lakers played at the Forum...not Staples Center
0:59 I legit thought you said 'N-word jones dome'
Epic.
Our Dome needz an 300M Renovation from da NFL!!!
What word?
@@BoleDaPole naw, like litterally 'n-word jones' not even using it as a euphemism
Shoutout Nigga Jones Dome
The move devastated attendance for two teams at once.
You should do a vid on teams before they rebranded or relocated
There is a pretty good one on TH-cam, about the NFLs history. Showing were all the Teams came from. I think the Channel is NFL rewind.
Eventually u should do The Real Reason Why Andrew Luck retired ( that is if the news is true )
Doesn’t wanna be a veggie for the rest of his life just for money
It's definitely more than the calf injury they have only told us so far and I doubt that was the injury that made him retire, he's battled through so many injuries so I understand retirement but it wasn't a calf issue, I want to know what injury finally made him retire.. It could be that he is just sick of playing through pain but before the "calf injury" he was ready to go? It has to be more serious to leave a half billion dollars.. I commend him for putting his health and family first, I just want to hear his story or opinions of why be decided to retire a week away from the season? I find his story very interesting and I wish him the best
Adam Burkett the Mexican’t Government has pic of him in a dress on jeffery private island 🌴 ...............
So he retired to avoid shame
Xfl executive job sounds better than nfl injured qb
@@israelmoreno3620 why would they care? They prefer fútbol over football.
When the news came that the Rams were coming back to L.A. I was excited. And as you all know a lot of people still call the Chargers the San Diego Chargers. Whose house, Rams house for sure when the new stadium opens
Let's go rams!👌
I wanted the Rams to move all the way back to Cleveland we haven't had an NFL team since 1995
@@daleeloph5038 I do remember the Browns moving to Baltimore, but Cleveland did back the Browns a few years later
@@daleburrer1546 yeah the Browns have been back since 1999 but hardly an NFL caliber team as I have watched crap for the last 20 years.The Rams were originally in Cleveland before moving to Los Angles in 1946 then to Saint Louis then back to L.A.
@@daleeloph5038 well said.
This is why I will never fault an NFL player for being greedy, not giving a home-town discount, or dumping a team that low-balls them.
No thats not it. Stan has been part owner of the team for a long time. He never wanted the team to move out of LA in the 1st place. So when he gained full control he corrected the problem.
It wasn’t a problem though it was moved to a city with a better fan base, but he wanted to be in the la market.
He became a part order, WHEN they moved to st Louis, to have a Midwest part of the ownership group!!
I'm a sports fan but 500 mil on a stadium and we still have poverty?
There will ALWAYS BE POVERTY... The Taxpayers have been crusading for decades to save every poor person and we have more poor people now then ever.... Jesus even said there will ALWAYS be poor, but we don't listen
@@davidlemmon4603 I never said it wouldn't be poverty and I know Jesus said that it would be poor but he also said the love of many will wax cold...
Poverty is unavoidable
there's lazy ppl everywhere.. don't come to canada.. half my money goes to poor ppl.. I'm tired of it... get a f'in job
@@strumptavianroboclick5596 Not always that simple. I know people who work and only have $50 a paycheck after child support. There are many reasons for people being poor.
I hate Stan kroenke with a passion
He hates you too nigga
LiningCheetah61 you should speak to Arsenal fans
LiningCheetah61 I hate your mom.
@@carlton2443 I knew ive heard that name before lol i feel like arsenal tuned their situation well though
@@BlkAuDiS401 You do know he used Eminent Domain to get farmland in TX when owners refused to sell, having 1 of them commit suicide as a result? Keep defending your man. www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/texas-mans-suicide-note-blames-rams-owner-stan-kroenke/
fox2now.com/2016/10/27/residents-of-texas-ranch-kicked-to-the-curb-by-new-land-owner-stan-kroenke/
I agree with everything except the rams attendance, if u cut and trade all your good players, the fans know what's up...
I literally just drove through St. Louis and wondered this 😂
The chargers don’t belong in LA
Unfortunately, now they do!
@@jchapman8248 the fact that the chargers can't even fill a 27,000 seating capacity stadium during home games and let the away team take over their stadium home game after home game is not only disappointing but it's extremely sad.
@@Rampage-qd4in I agree. The Spanos don't care who buys the tickets as long as they're sold. They don't have loyalty to the team just to the bottom line!
They belong in STL. SD can keep the chargers name and colors! Rename the team the originally named expansion team the Stallions! ;”)
@@JudiateKing Sure, you'd like to have the Chargers in STL. I don't see that happening. That's wishful thinking.
I don't see the San Diego community having the rights to the Chargers name and colors. That's not going to happen either. The Spanos family saw to that.
Now if STL wants the Chargers franchise just make sure the STL community offers the Spanos' all they want. A free up-to-date stadium, free use and control of all concessions.
Plus have the STL City Council purchase several thousand season tickets. With the Spanos family pleased, you can have your expansion STL Chargers. Welcome to your new headache.
OBTW, FUCK DEAN SPANOS AND THE SPANOS FAMILY OF GREEDY INCOMPETENTS!
St. Louis or LA, which city would you want a franchise in? Just explained why in 5 seconds what took you 11 minutes to do.
A C STL>LA
Young Putin hahaha
Young Putin you are delusional and down right wrong if you actually believe that.
A C not delusional just biased
Young Putin I think both.
Let's be honest: there's only one NFL team that can't possibly ever move, and that's the Packers. The reason? It's not just that the Packers are publicly owned. It's in the agreement between the Packers and Green Bay that, if the team ever moved, it must completely be disbanded and start from scratch. Seriously, look it up: the brand, logo, uniform designs, and all personnel are to remain in Green Bay. All other teams, at some point, could be subject to relocation.
And the Cleveland browns too. The city of Cleveland kept the rights to the Cleveland browns name, logos, and franchise history after the original Cleveland browns team moved to Baltimore.
@@nortonhatfield7312 That was more of an agreement established after Modell declared the Browns were moving to Baltimore in order for the NFL to compensate Cleveland for the suddenness of the move. The Packers and Green Bay have an iron-clad contract in place already that binds the team to the city, no questions asked.
The only way that the packers would move to another city is if they were bought by a greedy owner and that owner would have to live in another city or else he or she would realize that the packers were not making enough revenue when they are playing in green bay.
If green bay packers were to move they would most likely move to Milwaukee because Milwaukee is the largest city in Wisconsin and the packers would stay in the same state, Wisconsin. Wisconsin has a lot of loyal green bay packers fans.
Also, this would not work for Oakland keeping the raiders since al Davis and his family owned the right to the raiders franchise which includes the raiders logos, uniform designs and the history of the raiders.
The truth is the NFL should have never allowed the Los Angeles Rams to move to STL in 1994. The league simply righted a wrong.
Great stuff! You should do THE TRUTH Behind why the Raiders Really moved to Las Vegas.
I just wish the chargers could go back to San Diego. Would I love to see the rams go back to st louis? Not no but hell no!
jjbamaman97 I never understood why they moved to Los Angeles just to be the clippers.
@@bcranford714
To take out the raiders and get a new stadium/bigger market... Duh😒
@@questioneverything1639 I rather have the LA Jaguars.
@@porchofgeese_crockpot The Jags are going nowhere and never will. The owners love Khan and he put up lots of money towards Jacksonville. It's a football hotbed so as the whole South.
@@aboriginalbrotha9947 I do too. I was exaggerating.
LA loves the Rams, hates the Chargers. The bolts should move to the gateway city. The fighting spirit of the name represents the crazy sports fans as well :)
Dean Spanos and the mayor of San Diego are some Buster's getting in the way of the #Raidernation.
Nfl don’t want shitty Raider fans in Los Angeles
This Masters of the Universe stuff is fascinating. I guess I have to thank Jerry Jones for getting the Rams back to LA.
it made Financial sense for the Rams to relocate back to Los Angeles hopefully in the future NFL expansion 11teams will be added 1.Oakland CA, 2.Omaha Nebraska, 3.San Antonio Texas, 4.Salt Lake City Utah, 5.Toronto Canada, 6.Saint Louis Missouri, 7.Orlando Florida, 8.Southside of Chicago Illinois. 9.La Cruces New Mexico, 10.Morgantown West Virginia.11 San Diego California.
I could see relocations but no more addition of teams. The market woukd get too big and saturated. If the nfl ever dipped it would be the equivalent of the General Motors situation.
St. Louis
Four cities for NFL expansion San Antonio is a big Market in Texas and St Louis when they had the Rams the fans were loyal they would be an excellent candidate for an expansion team Omaha Nebraska it is a big-Market when you include the whole state of Nebraska. Alabama will be a perfect market for an NFL expansion team think I'm looking Alabama Birmingham would be a good fit for to land a good team in Alabama. Alabama Birmingham AAf football team for one season before the league folded up
The state of Nebraska is a football country and they should have an NFL team
Cities should stop financing football homes. And the NFL anti trust exemption should be removed. Like all other businesses, the NFL should not be treated any differently.
If stan had put as much effort in to making a competitive team in stl as he did into moving them to LA there wouldn't have been such a low attendance 🤷🏿♂️
Who gives a shit. They're better being in LA
Ricky Gutierrez When you think about it more, that’s definitely not true.
I wish they stayed in St. Louis.
Man St.Louis fans have to be sick seeing them back in the SuperBowl again
Wanna know why we didn't go? The tram intentionally tanked, the owner was sleeping with LA, so why waste our money. We sold out the same stadium for the XFL. Thats why they're scared if this lawsuit
Even tho they moved, I’m still a die hard ram fan
Fuck yeah. Horns Up!
Same here HORNS UP
“The Reason they Returned to Los Angeles!”
Jerry and Stan desperately wanted the Raiders out of LA cause they know LA has a huge Raiders following in LA as it is. The Cowboys are televised every Sunday in LA and if the Raiders went back to LA they’d push the Cowboys market out of LA
The video fails to fully explain why attendance in St. Louis faltered. For too many years the fans suffered through poor coaching, poor stadium, poor management, with the ownership not willing to invest in the team, especially during the final 3 years. The failure of the Rams organization in St. Louis should not be blamed on the fans.
I miss the rams
You can still be a ram fan and cheer for them the way L.A. fans did when they stripped the Rams from us !!
Idk, this may sound hypocritical but when we offered them everything they wanted (including money) and more and they still were intent on leaving, it really felt like being stabbed in the back. My father got season tickets every year only to get it thrown in the face because the management and owners didn’t care at all. Throw in the fact that St. Louis citizens are still paying taxes on the rejected stadium, and it just leaves me too bitter. When Kroenke leaves I may revisit the franchise.
Me too man 😪😭. Saint Louis Rams For Life!
Now I'm a Chiefs fan 🏈 🔴🟡
It should’ve been ONLY the Raiders relocating back to Los Angeles! Because the Raiders in LA made perfect sense! Plus every home game the Rams and Chargers have right now is filled with the away team!! I personally wouldn’t care if we had to share a stadium in LA with the Chargers as long the Raiders were in LA! I would’ve been good! Also forgot to mention if the Rams and Chargers continue to struggle with getting a fan base in the next few seasons, then this will be a waste of time and waste of money!
But if the Raiders and Rams both went to LA and the Chargers stayed in SD in 2015 or 2016 the ratings would’ve have been better! And the everyone in Los Angeles would’ve been happy!
If the NFL knew what they were doing, then that would have come to pass. Also, if Vegas really wanted a team, then they would have to take a team not named the Raiders.
Rams were the original LA team which is why people who lived in LA for a long time foot for them. The nfl fucked up by letting LA not have a team for 2 decades
Rams games are pretty packed with rams fans fkr example the rams cowboys playoff game everybody said there would be more cowboys fans and it was like 70%rams 30%cowboys
Swirl King Tommy says king of the scumbags?
Omar Meza nope. Raiders belong in Oakland.
Quoting Ronnie James Dio, "Tell a little truth with many lies."
Good info, cool to know. Never subscribing. 5 ads in 11 minutes, are you kidding?
People forget it was Kroenke's ownership group that brought in Fisher. They had zero interest in making the team competitive until they had the city and state over a barrel.
Personally, I'm glad Kroenke showed his true self. He was, is, and will always be a self-absorbed greedy a--hole who married into the Walton family and used their money to make himself seem like a winner.
History shows that he's only thrown money at problems when they occur, and that he's not a good businessman otherwise. So the city is a lot better off without that crappy ownership involved in the area.
Of course, there are the Randian trolls out there who will live in perpetual darkness of these facts. Hope your Cowboys continue to fade.
Paul Blecha sour grapes? However you are 100% correct!
Don't blame Jerry Jones, he didn't bilk a city for a billion dollars. He funded his own stadium.
Kroenke is a weasel, LA is just a tool in negotiation with the networks and media providers.
This is as much Goodell's fault as anybody. He has been orchestrating new stadiums throughout the country, needed or not.
@@kingbaldwiniv5409 I won't exonerate Goodell, he's terrible. But Jones is hardly innocent of driving the league certain directions.
@@p__b__3749, he certainly is pushing in a certain direction, but her is ONE owner without recent success.
Kraft hand-picked the commissioner, had been slapped on the wrist for significant transgressions, and seems be have limitless success and snag-free acquisitions.
Georgia Frontiere ran the team into the ground for years. Funny how Stl people like to say SK did this, was a terrible owner, and left for money. That skank was all of that and then took tax payer money. Her ownership group is to blame for SK’s ability to leave.
What about Rams Kevin Demoff saying on radio and on TH-cam that Kroenke wasn't looking moving the team to Los Angeles.
Knowing all along that he was. Kevin is a two face liar.
Dumb on his part but that darn lease.
Kevin Demoff is a bitch.
St. Louis attendance was doing just fine until it became clear that Kroenke was tanking on purpose.
Just like GF did in LA, right?
Can't wait to see how much support the Rams get in L.A. When they have as crappy of a 10 year stretch as then did the final 10 years they were in St. Louis.
St. Louis gave much more support to the team than Kroenke did over that time.
Nobody cares. Deal with it
That support was not as great as you think.
@@oscaru5342 you're a really nice person
I want an expansion team. I don't want another city to go through what we went through. I want a team born in St Louis!
And I want to be in the AFC for a change
Taxpayer money should never go to helping billionaires build a stadium
That’s a totally respectable opinion as long as you don’t mind not having an NFL team in your city. The owners have proven for decades now that they can take their business elsewhere and get the taxpayer support that they want and the taxpayers of those cities are more than happy to pitch in.
@@clay9333 It's the greater fool theory. The new Ram's stadium has already caused economic disruption and hardship in the surrounding working class income neighborhoods. I, for one, would have loved it if LA had told the Rams to go pound sand.
@WORDto BIGbird - I’m coming from a different perspective is all. I get what you mean though. My city doesn’t have an NFL team and I think it would be amazing if we did and I think there’s a lot of people around here that would pay a little more in taxes to have one. Maybe other cities are overtaxed already and they’re fine to see their teams leave or don’t care about the ones that they already have.
You can take away the Rams but you’ll never take BBQ 😢😢😢
is it just me or does it sounds like he isnt saying " the Edward jones dome"lol
RAMS SHOULD IF STAYED IN MISSOURI ..,no need for that organization here in LA.. high percentage of football fans don’t even like the Rams in the Greater LA area. Hope they fail on the field and in whatever endeavors that organization & owner do..
In a metropolitan area of around 14 million people, there doesn't need to be majority enthusiasm for any particular sports team to still provide adequate public support for it.
As for the Rams, they're focused on building their 'brand' with younger potential fans, which will eventually expand their long-term fan base. Of course, the team's recent success on the field is helpful in that regard too
Stfu ghetto raiderz fan
GYFS
What's so ironic is that Kroenke was the man who basically brought the Rams to St Louis back in 1995, and he's the one who takes them back to LA
That's not an accurate statement. Kroenke was a part of the ownership consortium led by the Frontiere family when Georgia Frontiere decided to move the team to St. Louis in 1995. Kroenke was notably a member of the group who was against the move despite being a Missouri native. When Georgia died, Stan took the lead, ran the franchise into the ground and paved the way back to LA.
That's not an accurate statement. Kroenke was a part of the ownership consortium led by the Frontiere family when Georgia Frontiere decided to move the team to St. Louis in 1995. Kroenke was notably a member of the group who was against the move despite being a Missouri native. When Georgia died, Stan took the lead, ran the franchise into the ground and paved the way back to LA.
@@blakeharris58 I thought he was for the team coming to STL in 1995?
@@blakeharris58he was not in the group until they moved to st Louis!! He was added to have a Midwest part of the group. Look at the news conference in 1995!
So they blackmailed St. Louis into spending MILLIONS of taxpayer dollars on a private venture and you make the owner out to be the good guy? Bad take man, bad take.
The attendance was bad in St. Louis because they ran the team into the ground on purpose. They alienated the fan base with awful football on purpose.
What is the Ed Jones Dome used for now? Riot practice?
Robert Slydell best comment😂
Honestly tho driving by that giant ass empty dome is saddening and I’m a fuckin Bears fan😂
That’s the real tragedy here.
St Louis is not a rich city at all, and actually STL has been losing population by the loads for the past fifty years.
The taxpayers of STL paid for the stadium. Not the owners. I don’t understand why the cities don’t tell the team owners, build your own stadium. It has been shown that sport stadiums do nothing for the value of the city or the surrounding businesses. It is basically a “white elephant” so to speak.
So now STL is still paying for a stadium that has no use. STL, unlike other cities like Cincinnati, Houston or even Memphis have a Division 1 (or FBS) team to play there, and I doubt the NFL will ever put another team there. Not from St Louis and maybe it does have a use for something, dunno. The venue is simply too big to be used for anything else but a football stadium.
I love college football but won’t watch the NFL. The asinine greed of the billionaire owners, how they screw over the fans on every level, the pettiness of the NFL (the NFL sued a church, yes a fking church for having a Superbowl party in their sanctuary, and will sue any rinky dink local business who uses “Super Bowl” in their advertising). I mean, really?
I am from Memphis, TN and always wished Memphis could have had an NFL team, now I think the city should be blessed not to have to deal with these assholes.
But yeah, the people of STL and Missouri should see that stadium and remember how much the NFL really screwed them.
@@leonandrews7180 Everybody can hate Jerry Jones all they want, but he built his own stadium. I rather enjoy watching him fail as a GM, but I will give credit where credit's due.
St. Louis is a dying / dead city. Another in a long line of leftist hellholes sinking into the abyss. Simple destiny.
Robert Slydell ha 😂