This movie broke Mark Hamills heart. And dragged his biggest legacy through the mud. It wasn't Luke. It was just a big middle finger from Ryan Johnson.
grnaskd To be fair, Rian put him in an awkward corner as he couldn’t really take the characters much further after TLJ. Not justifying RoS, but TLJ is a big part of blame on this.
K. Keith you took the words right out of my mouth bro. If JJ undid what Rian has done in TLJ then Disney should’ve just let JJ direct all 3 films, honestly.
Rómulo Figueroa JJ did have a plan, Rian decided to change everything midway through. Allegedly there were outlines of all 3 scripts, and Rian decided to completely rewrite the second one. Also JJ set up a lot of stuff for Rian, and he decided to work with... none of it, so I don’t feel sympathy for him. www.google.ca/amp/amp.denofgeek.com/us/movies/star-wars/271448/star-wars-rian-johnson-scrapped-jj-abrams-episode-viii-script what I’m talking about.
For what it's worth I absolutely loved the film. I remember my parents showing me "A new hope" when I was six or seven and I had no idea what was going on I just remember what the film felt like to young me. And now, roughly 20 years later, I sat in the cinema and I got that same feeling again, something that didn't happen during the prequels or The Force Awakens and for that alone I love that film - to me it just felt like "Star Wars".
I know what you mean! I have a similar memory, that the original trilogy really changed my understanding of what a film could even be. This film had the same feeling to me!
@@Stretchdiazz The Muppet Show is what did it for. "Hey Luke, who's your tailor? I love that robe!" "Oh no! It's Kylo Ren! Who?" "Did you really try to kill him?" "No I gurgled gershwin in his face. That was enough to make him hate me." "Impressive. Every word of that sentence was wrong." "Hey! I said something like that once!" "You did?" "Yeah, in The Great Muppet Caper. Also, your friend here kinda reminds me of one of my friends, Walter." "Is that a bad thing?" "Not really. It makes her more relatable to the long time fans." "Hey, by the way, where was he during your AB-" "Oh, please don't bring that show up! Ever since it suffered the same obnoxious reception as this film just talking about it gives me PTSD! Sheesh! You know Luke, I want believe that being willing to collab with Disney was worth it, but sometimes I think that it just caused people to suck the fun out our franchises." "Don't complain to me! You're the one who wanted us to sing When You Wish Upon a Star at the end of our episode!"
It's funny because most of the complaints about these new movies could suit the old ones too. But not a single "fan" will make this comparison. Nostalgia is making people stupid. *Stupid high level elite guards?* Are you talking about stormtroopers or Snoke's guards? *A super powerful highlord villain sitting on a chair dies like shit? What about his story? WTF!* Are you talking about Palpatine or Snoke? *Holy shit, how on Earth can a poor trained person on the Force face a master lightsaber user?* Are you talking about Luke vs Vader or Rey vs Kylo? *OMG that character on a cool armor was so badass! Can't belive he's gone without any background! Trash movies* So, are you talking about Boba Fett or Phasma? and the list goes on
@OHGAS And by the way, stormtroopers are supposed to be the most well trained type of soldier in the galaxy. All the rest you talked is bullshit for the sake of your love for the old trilogy.
Please don't get me wrong, I love all Star Wars movies. But we all need to remember what they've always been: a cheesy epic space opera story that has it's flaws but it's worldbreaking beautiful.
I completely agree with you about the "failure" message from The Last Jedi, but the "let the past die" line was not at all intended to be the message of the film. The quote literally came from the villain.
James Njonjo Nah, Rey took em. And Yoda wasn't saying to let the past die, bc he said there is nothing in the texts that Rey doesn't know. And Luke saying "I will not be the last Jedi" and it cutting to Rey is another factor
I took it as Kylo lying to himself with by repeating the mantra, in order to fool himself into believing it, when he really couldn't. He couldn't bring himself to fire on his mother when they force sensed each other, and after Luke's deception, kylo tried to grab his father's dice, to hold onto the past, but they vanished with Luke. Then he looked up to Rey from a position of vulnerability, kneeling, mind scrambling for words that never came, seemingly caught by her witnessing his hypocrisy. Beautiful ending, but then JJ came back and didn't have the smarts to continue on with these moments.
I loved the last Jedi, and I am a big Star Wars fan. I honestly think the last Jedi portrays the force in an amazing way that some people just can’t accept. Those people need to watch the episodes again and listen to how the force is described in many episodes.
I agree, and I also like the way the Force was portrayed in Rebels. I hope he (Johnson) fufills his SW Trilogy. Would love to see where else he takes it to.
I saw TLJ about a week ago for the first time. I had already read and seen the spoilers so i didnt think i could have the movie ruined if I happened not to like it. But I actually think it was a very good movie. It has it's flaws, but so does every other SW movie. I think also seeing videos where people explain TLJ and point out it's strengths has made me realize what a great movie it is. I hope the cast and Rian Johnson dont feel let down because of all the negative criticism. I truly think Luke ended up as the hero i always imagined him to be. And the new characters now have so much room for potential and growth in the next movie...im excited to see what happens. but not making theories! i'm just going to sit back and enjoy the ride! Anyway, great vid!!!
I didn't mind the flawed characters in The Last Jedi, I actually think turning Luke into the hermit he was is pretty clever- It was just the execution of it all that bothered me
@LEO2001 I thought Finn's arc was pretty good but the problem is that he was wasted, he deserved much better, Rey was fine but could've been better but i really like her arc until rise of skywalker totally destroyed it when they made her a palpatine, Kylo Ren was amazing as always and Luke was awesome IMO
@LEO2001 you have a point here but let's say this, Finn's arc in the force awakens was learning to stand up for himself and in the end he found people that he trusted that changed him into a better person, the only reason he save Rey is because she's his friend (could be wrong tho i usually think a lot more than i am right now but I'm too lazy)in the last Jedi he learned to care about everyone else but he's still wasted tho
@LEO2001 in force awakens his arc was learning to fight for himself and close friends, as he says at starkiller “I’m just here to get Rey” in last Jedi at the beginning he is just trying to leave so Rey comes back to a safe place, there is literally a deleted scene where Finn tells Poe that he isn’t part of the resistance, but then he sees Rose and he sees how others see him as a hero, at canto bite he has 2 people pulling him differnt ways, he has rose saying how bad thoes first order sellers are and the pain they cause then he has DJ?(is that his name) telling him that’s it’s all the same and don’t join like he was originally gonna do, and then at Crait he decides to sacrifice himself for the resistance but rose stops him to tie in what Poe learned that the resistance needs Live Leaders not dead heros
Omg this is the video essay I've been wanting to write. I'm glad to see that I'm not the only one who saw these themes in TLJ, and this video was great. Thanks so much for making it!
Actually there are LOTS of TH-camrs who make wonderful videos on TLJ: Film Joy, Just Write, Shaun, Nerrel, Films, Films&Stuff, Make Stuff, Patrick Willens, Jenny Nicholson, Sthepan Krosecz, Movie Bob, Bobby Skulface, Star Wars Explained, Hello Greedo, AT-AT chat, EC Henry, Hishe and GeekyGlassesTV
The themes are good ideas but are poorly executed.The theme of failure is a great idea but the execution is terrible.The characters were forced around the theme.Themes were put above the characters
Totally, the helmet, Vader cosplay inhibited Kylo's growth in a satisfactory direction, so RJ destroys it, then JJ is all, heeeeeeey you wrecked it! And puts it literally back together and back on his head
@@adamscott7354 Agreed, back on Kylo's head and reverse any character development achieved in the previous film. Instead he killed him, because it worked so well in the original trilogy. I shouldn't be surprised, I've seen what he's done with Star Trek.
@@adamscott7354The first two Trek movies were great but the last one... showed that JJ is not the guy you assign for the finale of a trilogy. The real question is how do you combine two very different directors' visions in a film series?
This is by far the greatest review of the Last Jedi I have seen on you tube. This reviewer totally gets it and I do believe that after episode IX the Last Jedi will be seen as a great Star Wars movie. I have seen it 4 times now and it gets better every time I see it. Time will have a positive effect in how this move is regarded.
+richard haynes - This is the "greatest" review for you because it's literally the only one that doesn't tear the movie to shreds. you shouldn't need time to improve the quality of a movie (whatever that even means). A movie should be great for the audiences that see it in a theater. Not for audiences 20 years from now.
Scott K This film is part of a series of 9 films. When the 9th film is in and made then the whole series and the context of Episode VIII can be reassessed.
+richard haynes - It *should* be part of a series of 9 films. But it's not. If this were really the 8th film in a series, it would have followed a cohesive story arc that was outlined before the film was ever even written. But that's not what happened. When Abrams handed the reins over to Johnson, Johnson decided to take the story in an entirely different direction from the original story Abrams had in mind. As made clear by the countless things from the force awakens that he decided to just abruptly do away with, and the fact that the theme of the movie was to "let the past die." Now control of the saga is going back to Abrams, who has to somehow un-fuck the saga by either transitioning back into the original story arc he had in mind, or by continuing in the *new* direction Johnson has taken it, and doing his best with someone else's vision. Either way, the 9th film is going to be written on the fly. In other words, thanks to Johnson (and partly to Abrams) this is no longer a coherent series. It's more like a game of telephone. Regardless of what happens in the next episode, the clusterfuck that johnson visited on the saga will always be a part of episode 8's legacy. No matter how well 9 is written, and no matter how well the story recovers, it will always be true that 8 was kind of a mess. *No film should need to be salvaged by it's sequel in order to be good.*
You, somehow and incredibly, expressed every feeling I have of this movie. I think it's brilliant. I truly love THE LAST JEDI. It's easily my second favorite film of the series.
This video is amazing. You are so right. For me I think Last Jedi is the point we needed for a change in theme. I will say I was mad at first. But seeing the movie again about 5 times. I saw it for what it was a new look and a new story. Hard core fans. If you read this know that I too love Star Wars. But we needed a new start to the end. And Last Jedi did that. Let go of the past and look at what the future of the films will bring. (Thanks for reading..)
People invested questions in the character's past instead of their future because there's been a 30 years gap between the OT and the sequels. It's obvious they want to know what happened before going forward.
Abrams messed it up from the beginning by portraying Luke as a myth in TFA. No one becomes a myth in 30 years. Seventy years later, we still have the ability to look back on and remember the heroes of WWII. There is no way Luke becomes a myth in 30 years. And that's not the only Abrams f-up in TFA. That's why I have no hope for Episode IX and refuse to watch it. Abrams messed up Star Wars, and Johnson just threw it in the garbage. If Johnson wanted to change Star Wars so much, then he should've started an original IP and built his own world, his own characters, and his own franchise rather than completely ruin something that people have enjoyed for four decades. Mark Hamill tried to warn us.
I think that in a galaxy of trillions of beings with only a handful of people at most seeing Skywalker in the flesh would make him a legend by virtue of third hand stories. I don't mind that he became a legend and I think it makes sense. Farmboy destroys the Empire's ultimate weapon kicking the whole Galactic Civil War into high gear, he then gains even more fame as a hero of the Rebellion and then ends the war by defeating the emperor and his dark enforcer. That, and probable New Republic propaganda hyping up the heroes of the former Rebel Alliance, sounds like a legend to me and probably would seem that way to most in the galaxy. And I will point to the past Star Wars properties that people didn't like at first, including; Star Wars V, KotOR II, and the Thrawn trilogy to some extent. There will always be new Star Wars for people. I am more afraid of IX feeling disjointed. I like TLJ more than TFA and it is not nearly as bad as Episode II and it's a good movie if you shed every expectation you have for it and your knowledge of the force from Legends. It bucked everyone's expectation. And you have to remember that these are all dumb, easy to understand kids movies, so why do we hold them to an impossible standard?
Isaac Engle "I think that in a galaxy of trillions of beings with only a handful of people at most seeing Skywalker in the flesh would make him a legend by virtue of third hand stories." Luke wasn't called a legend in TFA; he was called a myth. Those are two different things. Yes, what Luke did as a part of the Rebel Alliance to topple the Emperor could conceivably become legend in a short period of time, but there is no possible way that it (or Luke) becomes a myth. A huge amount of time has to pass before something can become myth.
He calls himself a Legend in TLJ, but you are right about the Myth thing in TFA. But even then you could argue that Luke may not have even existed and there were probably those people who thought he was just some made up hero or someone masquerading as a Jedi to boost Alliance morale or recruitment. They also mentioned the Jedi being myths in New Hope so the galaxy probably has a very short memory. Like how we now have kids who don't remember 9/11 for example.
Yes yes so many times yes. Thank you. I left the theater exhilarated and so ready to see where this was going, not thinking I know where this is going.
Very inteligent movie, so bold, so full of nuances, so fresh. I LOVE what they do with Luke, he seems so human, so vunerable, and yet (and because of that) so much heroic in the end. He has a honorable death indeed, very touching. The film is not perfect, none of the OT is, but it has so memorable scenes and lines and charachters, that it has become one of my favourites in the saga, just after ESB. So much good could be said about this movie that it's completely out of my comprehension that it is getting SO MUCH hate. I think these things come with the internet era, and time, and new generations of fans will put it where it really belongs.
It’s true, the video is just shit and dumbass “deep” stuff. It destroyed the universe and characters. Now, if you feel like having a battle of crait, reply and I will write an essay about it.
Appreciate your points of view, thanks for sharing them. However, I cannot agree with a few points: "fans..fail to recognize the importance of fallable characters..." I don't think the director recognizes it either. The character Rey, so far, IS INfalliable. She's made no mistakes, faced no real adversity (the red guards don't really count as personal adversity, imo). She's made no real mis-steps. "too reliant on callbacks and nostalgia".... Yet, in TLJ, there are several instances of mouse droids. BB8 even disguises himself as a box and hums the mouse droid sound effects. The throne room scene is replicated. Luke, sacrifices hismself as a diversion so his friends can escape - this is exactly what obi-wan did in a new hope. Luke fades away to become one with the force, like Obi-wan and yoda. The chosen one trope? This wasn't a trope until the PT, and was resolved. It's not a trope. The trope really is: force sensitives are born throughout the galaxy in the star wars universe; examples such as all the jedi and padawans in the PT, Ahsoka, Maul, Ventress, Kanan, Ezra, Obi-wan. None of them are skywalker bloodline, yet all are force users, some quite powerful. While there is some new and exciting things in the TLJ, much of what you hightlight as things the director is arguing against - he uses in his movie. The callbacks are choices made by the directors and disney to a.) sell familiar, successful merchandise back to the audience, and b.) because the directors and Disney don't trust the audience to receive something "new". the audience has not been given a chance to consume something "new". Audience/fans are tired of seeing the same old, same old (mouse droids, wilhelm screams, I have a bad feeling about this...). They want something new. This can be achieved without bringing our heroes back just to kill them in the name of progress, with no substance to their "contributions" on screen. But again, your view is well thought out - and I appreciate the effort you put in to sharing it - thanks! Cheers!
Rey faces abandonment issues and struggles with her identity. She doesn't know how shit fits in the universe since she grew up without loving parents, without heritage, without anything but a life of scavenging. Her glaring mistakes are searching for parents in everyone she meets. She immediately saw Han as a father figure, and then lost him. She immediately saw Luke as her chance for a mentor and direction, but he fiercely rejected her. She wants others to tell her what to do rather than forge her own destiny. Nothing is worse than not knowing who you are. The throne room scene is replicated? Where? Be specific.
New Mexico Sabers well said. And, wow: Johnson literally stole the setup and execution of scenes from other, better movies, yet, Johnson wanted to subvert our expectations with something we've never seen before. Lmfao. Oh lord, the hypocrisy! Lol. Johnson literally stole the entire hologram ending scene from John Carpenters' Escape movies, almost shot for shot! And he stole so much more, he plagiarized and stole scenes and setups from so many different sources and passed it off as originally his own. Lmfao. He's a hack and it was a hack job movie. Wow. Hollyweird is being canceled...don't all these folks know?
@@baconjam5815 You claim their "struggles" but it doesn't seem to take ANY burden for her throughout the films. She seems to be doing fine being able to pilot like Anakin and if not better than him, being able to lift tons of boulders around her without breaking a sweat in just a couple of days after learning she can use the force, she's never trained to use a lightsaber, yet somehow was able to defeat the most elite troops of The First Order. She seems like she does everything with ease and doesn't let her so called "struggles" get in the way. Surprised she didn't magically scream and somehow kill Snoke herself lmao. Want to know a well-written character with struggles? Look into the story of Anakin Skywalker. Especially, in TCW. Btw, the throne scene is replicated with the only throne scene in the franchise that's in Return of The Jedi. Fucking moron.
Tide pods to be fair, Rey could barely hold her own against even one of the guards. Kylo was the one doing all the work in that scene, fighting 5ish at once while she struggled to keep one at bay
4:20 Except Luke is very different from these characters. His passion and heart is exactly what made him not give up. Yoda has always been a little distant from people, that's what happens when you live for so long and see so many die. But he is characterized that way to have lost some of his empathy towards people. And actually this is a misinterpretation of Obi Wan's character. He never gave up but unlike Luke is not stubborn. He found a new purpose. He was going to protect Luke so he could eventually have him fight Vader. He didn't give up on the world, but rather gave up on the life he led before in hopes of achieving the ultimate good. But Luke... his defining trait was not giving up. He wouldn't give up even if he should've. That's what made him a compelling character originally. He's flawed, he always has been. I just don't like that the movie made him flawed in ways that contradict a previous characterization. How much more powerful would a broken Luke be if he had fallen in a way that we didn't expect but can clearly understand. That is more heartbreaking. That is sad. Forcing us to suspend our disbelief for a complete character 180 is not as compelling because we are taken out of the story to think but... This doesn't line up with the character's previous mentality. I understand what you're saying... Flaws and failure, people didn't like it because Luke wasn't all powerful. That's not why I don't like it. He could've been just as powerful as any other Jedi... Just don't completely change the character. Don't have him considering killing Ben because he saw a vision of the possibility of him killing people. I think a much more compelling way is to have Luke see the vision and treat Ben differently. He can become overprotective out of fear of losing Ben to the dark side and like many before him overcompensate for the vision they saw and in doing so force that situation to happen. Because now Ben feels like he's already done something wrong like he's already a monster. This could be a compelling motivation as to why Kylo wants to be on the dark side so bad. If everyone sees me as a bad guy why not just become the bad guy (assisted by Snoke's manipulation). All this to say, Luke would not give up, not like he did in this movie. I'm fine with Luke failing that can be a powerful message about heroes not being infallible, I get it. But let the hero fail in ways that the audience can follow. This makes the heroes fall more devastating because not only did it happen but the mistakes made were understandable, human. They make him feel more well rounded as a consequence, not different. Because seeing this non Luke character in the gutter is a problem because I don't feel like this is Luke anyway. But seeing Luke in the gutter seeing our hero fall so far but still retaining elements of Luke and the motivation of Luke is much sadder. Seeing someone in pain is sad seeing someone you care about in pain is heartbreaking.
the reason you couldn't put it into words is because you're an idiot. this is consistent with you agreeing with him, because that also makes you an idiot
I saw this movie with my dad and brothers opening night 2 years ago. When the credits rolled, I literally stood up and said "well that movie fucking sucked." I spent the last 2 years ripping the movie to shreds and arguing with anyone who tried to defend it (not every waking moment lol, just when the movie came into conversation) It wasn't until last week, when I started my Star Wars movie marathon in preparation for Episode IX, that when I finally got to this film, I began to appreciate what it was. I love this movie now, and I loved what it did for Star Wars and its characters. I'm still not a big fan of a few certain couple plot points (the casino and Holdo and what not) but overall, I think the movie was fantastic in challenging what Star Wars was, and not being afraid to go against the grain. So, in conclusion, I'm sorry Rian Johnson. You were right all along. Can't wait for the Rise of Skywalker
@@ryanbarth6691 Eh, it was alright. I wasn’t a big fan of the whole Rey being Palpatines granddaughter twist. Felt kinda just thrown in there. IMO, Rey should have been Anakin reincarnated. It would have kept the Skywalkers (Anakin in particular) at the forefront, and would tie into more the idea that the force is its own thing, and with the rise of Snoke and Kylo, the force created another chosen one to balance it
You have come a long way since your earlier work in this video. Mainly manifested in the tone and quality of you voice. Well done! Good points on this episode. I have gone on to like TLJ more than I originally did; especially in light of where episode IX went.
Absolutely LOVED this movie from the first viewing and still LOVE it today. I don't care what haters say - the saga needed this fresh approach to story telling in the Star Wars universe. I could care less what haters say - I'll love it no matter what. This movie did everything it needed to do in order to strip away the old tropes that were so common it was nauseating. I think this is one of the best stories in the Star Wars universe. Don't @ me!
The thing people are angry about is that there taking away the old lore before they buy the companies and making to many joke like why like tossed away his father light saber or when he saw good in Vader whoa kill million but has one bad dream about kylo and wants to kill him now
blue x remember that Luke fought with Vader first, went far enough to cut off his hand before he put down his saber. He wanted to kill Vader, then saw he was making a mistake. So him wanting to kill Kylo and then seeing he was making a mistake is absolutely in character.
@Rep Ninja that doesn't really change the overall situation. Luke let his anger get the better of himself in a life or death situation vs considering murdering a kid, his own nephew at that.
We’re not wrong, we just have our own opinions. I’m glad for you that you enjoyed this movie! That’s your opinion and I love that you’re bold and brave enough to come onto the internet and say all this, I applaud you.
I appreciate your opinions that you put forth in this video. Interestingly, toward the end of this video, you challenged people who didn't like it the first time they saw it to watch it again and again and they'll grow to love it. The thing I find most interesting about that comment is that I actually liked it when I left the theater (with my 6 year old son who loved it). I have since watched it a number of more times and, as i watch it more, I have grown to like it less and less. I had no "Snoke Theories" or "Rey's parents Theories" of my own and didn't really care about the ones that were put forth on numerous internet sites. I watch Star Wars movies for the enjoyment and for a story to be told in a way that evokes emotion in me. Unfortunately, in this episode, there were just too many eye-rolling moments (Mary Poppins Leia) and scenes that make me scratch my head (Why does, all of the sudden Rey feel compelled to "save" Kylo Ren, and yes, it's all of the sudden in the timeline of the movie) to make me think that Rian Johnson is trying to "Let the past die." so he can jump start a franchise that was already one of the biggest in the world. Stories can be told by good storytellers that include previous heroes and that introduce new characters in a way that makes us love the new heroes as much, or more than the old characters (ah la Ahsoka Tano). Rian Johnson's mark on the SW universe missed the mark for most, which is why there's such a huge backlash for this movie. It's not because he "let past die", but because he paid no attention, or respect, to it.
I feel like Rey trying to save Kylo was partially because of her teachings with Luke, about her bringing up that he brought Vader back from the Dark Side and such in the midst of his lessons. This is in keeping with Reys wish to be special, though she turns out to be nothing more than what she was....a junk dealer who had the potential to be a hero and a Jedi. The mental link between the two and her visions, expecting him to turn good may also have convinced her that she could change him(along with his understanding after her visit to the Force...cave? Underwater pit? You know the one I mean).
The only backlash comes from a deep core of SW fans but most people and critics loved the film and it was critically acclaimed for a reason. Unfortunately those hateful starwars fans are the ones spreading the flames most, people who liked the film have little reason to bitch or make themselves known. The haters are the one heard around the world.
@@fallen4life080 critis didnt like the shining and its one of the best thriller of all times..trully one of a kind,noone should give a shit what they think.i believe objectivly speaking tlj its 2,5/5 movie for a teen audience.but much of the audience arent teens .the optical side is a downgrade from tfa not because of special effects but from the tecnical standpoind jj abrams is just more talented and the picture in sw7 is superb .and the last more important part is that apart from kylo noone get meaningful development.the story in most sw was average but this was never the point .the other aspects of the movie made it work.this times there are no other aspects.no meanings, no world build up,no developent,no sense of purpose ,a mary sue protagonist etc.it would be fine if it was a marvel movie .if they want to make something different thats not tied to the previus why not filming a different era or a new ip?
You are not alone... Rian Johnson had the balls to try and give Star Wars finally a new fresh direction. But that plague known as "hardcore Star Wars fans" went apeshit, then they brought back JJ Abrams who created episode 9 after reading twitter, youtube and reddit comments coming from those SW morons... and we ended up with something really poor. I swear the best thing that can happen to star wars is for that hardcore fanbase to go extinct. Time and again they claim they will abandon ship and every premiere there they are with their lightsabers only to go ahead and bitch endlessly. Seriously abandon the ship guys.
Endermaster2006 it I ain’t good if u said finally some agrees that something is good that means it was hard to find someone that actually likes this bad movie that ain’t good it’s bad and the new one is worse
@elwingy we found Rians burner account. The Last Jedi was a disaster. Rise of Skywalker was bleh but it at least was enjoyable to watch. TLJ was terrible and uninteresting to watch.
I knew I was going to like this video in the first 58 seconds. You are spot on. YT has constantly bombarded me with suggestions for videos tearing all new Star Wars movies down, and I have refused to watch them, so I specifically searched for a video like this. Thank you.
When I walked out of the theatre I was conflicted cause I wanted to like it but I just didn’t, I liked some parts but there are more things I just didn’t like
Crisp Man years after it came out even I’m still unsure of what to really say, it was Good but also had some bad moments to some extent, and overall felt like one of the more Balanced Star Wars movies. What really dragged it down a peg from being one of my favorites was the Comedy, Admiral Holdo, and the Ship chase, Cause in all honesty when compared to Empire Strikes back the Millenium Falcon space chase was fast paced, intense with an iconic score, and the Last Jedi’s chase in general just felt slower.
Gabriel Mutombo yeah I’d hardly call The Last Jedi one of the worst movies ever, even if it did a lot of things wrong, it did things right too. And Keep in mind most of the Fans calling it the worst movie ever are the same Fans who called Return of the Jedi and the Prequels the worst movies ever, so their thoughts aren’t really something to take note of. Especially when they throw around bold claims like “Star Wars is Dead,” or how much it ruined their childhoods. Those remarks just seem over exaggerated at this point in time. Then you have Channels that dedicate themselves to trashing Disney with everything they do, which is not really the best way to go about it, instead of spreading hate for something their needs to be a fair amount of praise as well, but with those channels it just feels like they look more on the Negative side than Positive, but that’s just my opinion.
Gabriel Mutombo Thanks, it’s only until years after it’s release that I gave it a chance again, and it wasn’t as bad as I remembered, not Great, but not the Worst. If we are talking worst Star Wars that goes to the Holiday Special 😂
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@@hilaryswan8866 Yoda only faltered on training Luke because he was performing a secret test of character. He needed to know that the man he was training was going to be committed and not prone to anger; Luke failed those tests, causing Yoda to waver on the offer.
When I walked in the theatre to watch Star Wars Episode 8, The Last Jedi for the first time, I thought it would be my last Star Wars movie. I felt bitter The Force Awakens played the saga too safe and was nostalgia filled leaving no room for original storytelling. Let alone I felt betrayed by Disney making every prior Star Wars book, game and comic non-canon and labeled them as "legends". That being said my first viewing of The Last Jedi was a meta experience. Luke was upset with the Jedi order just as I was with Disney. Then when Yoda confronted Luke it was a beautiful way of Yoda telling me to let go of the Legends. George Lucas himself never considered the books, comics and games as canon to his films in the first place. However, every Star Wars book, comic, movie, television show and streamed show on Disney+ related to Star Wars they create is and will be created canonical. And when Luke turned around from his anger towards the Jedi and learning from his mistakes, I too also turned around my hatred towards Disney into a deep appreciation and love for them. I felt welcomed back to the franchise and wanted to share with the fandom my love for The Last Jedi. When I expected support and similar feelings, I was treated with hostile negativity from the fans of Star Wars from the Social Media. I was private messaged and messaged publicly in Star Wars groups to "kill myself" for loving The Last Jedi or that I was stupid for my own subjective opinion. It turns out I wasn't the only one. The whole production team of Star Wars was bombarded with emotional, sexual and verbal abuse online for being involved in making the movie. This was from a number of "fans" online and in some cases they were aggressive to others in person regarding those involved and who enjoyed the film. I respect others for their subjective opinion in whether they loved or hated or felt in between regarding anything from the entertainment industry. However, I do not agree with the subjective opinion to exhibit hate on people directly for what they love. Needless to say, no matter how hostile people are for my opinion, Star Wars Episode 8, The Last Jedi is my third favorite Star Wars film of all time.
While watching this video I got the idea you were talking about the episode 8 I was hoping for, before I went to go see it. I left the theater extremely disappointed and I think this is indeed because of expectations but that doesn't change the fact that I was disappointed. The three trailers for the movie were without a doubt the best trailers I had ever seen and all the epic moments teased in the trailer were, at least to me, extremely underwhelming in the movie. They were either turned into a joke (Rey meets Luke), or were simply weird and laughable (Kylo blows up Leia only for her to fly back through space). I was excited to see why Luke was on the island and what he was up to only to find he was there to die. I was excited to see what Snoke would be up to only to see he died. I was excited to see how general Hux commands the first order to hunt down the rebellion only to see him turned into a joke as well. I hear many people saying the choices were subverting our expectations and sure, they did, but mainly because I was expecting something better. I can, however, see why someone would like this movie, but these are 'flaws' I can't look past. So if you enjoyed it: great! I wish I did too. I can't be excited for Episode 9 anymore because there's nothing left for me to be excited about. I don't care about Rey or any of the new characters and the old characters are mostly gone. The Mandalorian was epic though :)
Robin Brewer I did love the movie, in fact is one of my top three favourite Star Wars movies. Nonetheless I respect your opinion, you mentioned the reasons you didn’t like the movie and it’s understandable. You also were very civil about it and in no way you insulted anyone else’s opinions. It’s rare to see that nowadays from our fan base. I hope ROS is great!! PD. The Mandalorian indeed is epic!!
You, my friend, truely understand the meaning and impact the writing of this film had! Thank you for giving this film the credit it deserves! A masterpiece utterly misinterpreted by moviegoers stuck in the past!
@Kamil S "Go fuck yourself"... that is how you comment nowadays on peoples oppinions, right? Well, yes they destroyed the death star a second time. Because it is supposed to be a reminiscience to the first movies. And why on earth shouldn't the universe evolve and the "new order" build an even bigger thing than the last time? What could possibly be the reason for them not to? Stupidity? Speaking of the "new order". As the old movies had nazis as a model, these are models of the neo-nazis and where they come from and what their goals are(copying and going OTT with the past). So no, only because you don't get what the storyline wants you to tell, doesn't mean it is a bad movie. And really? Now you glorify the episodes I to III? I vividly remember everybody hating the childish movies and now they are the greatest? What?
@Tarik Rashada Thank you for politely NOT tell me to "go fuck yourself"! ;-) Well, I was indeed refering to episode 7, when I was talking about the reminiscience. I kind of see your point here, but it honestly didn't bothered me that much. Overall I enjoyed the movies. All, except phantom menace. THAT was a trash movie! ;-) So yeah, I really don't get the hate. Maybe it is this way because its disney and not Lukas himself anymore, I don't know.
thanks for this, this is so beautifully stated, and I agree with every point you made. people's issue with the last jedi is more of a personal identity issue than a genuine objective outlook on the movie
aerosurferlv really? That seems a sweeping, blanket generalization. Eek. Lol. Johnson literally stole the setup and execution of scenes from other, better movies, yet, Johnson wanted to subvert our expectations with something we've never seen before. Lmfao. Oh lord, the hypocrisy! Lol. Johnson literally stole the entire hologram ending scene from John Carpenters' Escape movies almost shot for shot! And they stole so much more. Wow. Hollyweird is being canceled...didnt you know?
I liked TLJ fine but it does have objective leaps in logic and lacks explanations for in-movie rules. There's just a general lack of world-building and thought put into it. I guess how much you manage to like it depends on your ability and willingness to fill in the blanks. I completely understand why people don't like it. I managed to and I'm grateful for it but the "subversion" wasn't handled very elegantly. We could have done with more world building and less "deus ex machina".
You have no idea why people are mad. This movie is objectively bad storytelling. And there are freakin THESIS' ou there to prove it. Enjoy it if you want, but dont tell people its a personal issue. Its a writing issue.
I didnt like this movie at first... Mostly because i work backshift and went to see it 10 hours after my shift with no sleep, so i kept falling asleep in the theatre, and i missed a lot of it so i kinda just got mad and didnt bother to see it again. A few days ago i finally did get to sit down and watch it again fully, and i 100 percent agree with this video. I love the movie.
LitGitness this is one of those odd films that get better the more you watch it. It looks pretty crappy on the surface, but underneath it’s very interesting.
Yeah, Rian's style takes patience. I'm noticing all these connections to the preqs especially Phantom Menace. Mauler and Critique of Last Jedi: Rose Finn and Does Canto Make Any Sense At All? Star Wars Analyzed th-cam.com/video/5ECcwj5nk6g/w-d-xo.html Even the way Snoke is killed - midsection IS LIKE Darth Maul. LOL. Amazing.
Let the past die!!! Lets take The Force right out of STAR WARS!!! Woah!!! That would be cool!!! Oh wait then it's not STAR WARS!!! TLJ is horrible and deplorable. I felt like I was sitting through the house of horrors. Abrams said that SNOKE got to Ben Solo and seduced him in TFA, which means Luke feeling guilty and going into exile is meaningless. So I hate to say this, but you're not getting it. Changing something for the sake of change isn't the way to go. They made Luke into a wimp and a quitter. Han solo into a dead beat dad and a quitter.
Attiii Arghon Our comments are probably going to get deleted. I’ve not seen any critical comments being tolerated by this channel. He only wants those few who agree with his conclusions. He is wrong in his evidence based analysis. Yoda never burnt the ancient Jedi texts. We see them in a drawer on the Millennium Falcon when Finn opens it to get a blanket for Rose. Luke is never witnessed vanishing after his confrontation with Kylo, as they are too busy looking at Rey lift rocks. How does Luke’s legend build and inspire the galaxy? Well, you better hope that Kylo doesn’t execute all those on his side who saw him be made a fool of by his former Master, and that these First Order personnel get shore leave on Cantonica, so that the stable hands can somehow overhear their “stories”. No, this is a bloated chain of contrivances in which I identified 283 faults in my 53 hour analysis. That works out on average as more than two faults per minute. Many of these aren’t subjective takes. We have Holdo talk to Poe and her lips do not synchronise with her speech. That is an unquestionable fault. Subjectivity doesn’t enter into it.
Thank you so much for this video. I’ll never understand why so many so called ‘fans’ hate on TLJ. It’s literally a good movie and Rian Johnson did a good job here. I’m just glad I didn’t read too much Reddit or watch too much Mike Zeroh before the film came out. Unlike most of this fanbase.
The Last Jedi is a great movie!!! It is unique in its own way and Ryan did what he wanted which is great! I loved Luke’s death as he ended where he began looking towards the horizon. Change is inevitable, even Luke the most powerful Jedi in canon can abandon the Jedi and possibly have some dark side in him.
Watch the originals and maybe you would see why its stuiped Luke would cut himself off from the force and think about how stuiped it is the most powerful jedi or force user ever died using the force and obi wan had all his friends die his master die his apprentice try and kill him and then turn into a sith and he still trained Luke Luke didint kill darth vader he tried to turn him to the light why would he try and kill his nephew who in the rise of skywalker turned to the light Luke must have knowen that
@@MuhammadAli-tj8no Luke's arc is subjective, that's what star wars fanboys don't understand Both sides have good points But of course you haven't heard of an opinion
@@Whateveridksomething what do you mean lukes arc is subjective i might even have believed that Luke would do that if there was actually a good reason but no the sequels didint want that and everyone can have a opinion but when almost everyone who likes Star Wars including Mark Hamil doesn't agree with lukes story arch in the sequels you have to face the facts it make no sense and is stupid so even though there can be opinions there can also be facts and that lukes story arch makes no sense is a fact oh and also Luke was the son of the chosen one and he had been able to live with out losing both arms and legs so he should not have died by using the force
You intentionaly omit the point where Rey has had to fight for survival her entire life on jakku. Equating to about 15 years of melee combat experience. Those skills are extrapolateable to lightsaber combat with some adjustments. Adjustments that are clearly displayed in the movie she is trying to get to terms with in the final duel on TFA and during TLJ. She barely manages to hold her own and it is obviously shown that she is skilled at using her staff/ close combat. meanwhile Luke was a moisture farmer all his life, never used or heard of the force, manages on the first day to deflect 3 blaster bolts blindfolded, pull the lightsaber to him on hoth with 0 training and and after practising 1 week on dagobah with yoda (non of it visually lightsaber training) holds his own and suprises Vader in cloud city for a time. perspective and comparison is a valueable lifeskill
@@katraconnor8451 Exactly what makes you think I bought any tickets to Solo? I have lost hope in them at this point. If there is a remake (or a new one gets REALLY good reception), maybe I'll watch it, but only after hearing from everyone else exactly how good it is. As for the original trilogy, it was maybe fun the first few rewatches, but that was when I was a kid, and some elements are a bit silly. At least in that case, it was a result of the times. Now, good films without this bullshit in TLJ and, to a limited extent, in TFA exist. They are consistent, enjoyable, rewatchable, and lack the worst things about modern times, like politization, overdone excuses that insult others, or subverted expectations.
When the new fan come. They can see 9 episodes as a whole. Just like current fan consider 6 episodes. Before that the old fan even hate I II & III. Give it time I guess.
Well... I studied filmmaking. I liked the movie but is far for being perfect. I can see all the mistakes and wasted potential this movie has.... so fans (like me) are not wrong in many of their arguments.
Oscar there were mistakes. I mean, I don't mind that Leia used Force powers, but it looked weird, they could have done it better. And that Animal cruelty PSA was a bit too conspicuous. However, you have to admit, Disney is laying the foundation for a huge, and surprising, plot.
I walked out of the cinema loving the movie I think it’s just that people are more so concerned about looking for the bad things then watching the movie and enjoying it
I didn't want to find bad and I wasn't looking for it, I loved the force awakens rouge one and enjoyed solo for what it was,I feel like it had the makings of a good movie it just wasn't executed well it seemed far more concerned with subverting expectations then making a good movie,
@@Fujisaur I love that this is the only argument people seem to have when arguing that the movie is actually good. "You're just trying to be a hater! You just love to hate things!"
@@wes_rj225 the only argument? I mean yes maybe one of them but the ONLY? I would like you to link you this -> th-cam.com/video/VbHUJEH-ERI/w-d-xo.html ...So you're statement is false.
No, the bad things like plot holes, pacing & tone issues, bad editing, illogical & inconsistent characters, lack of pay-off for previous story lines, bad and misplaced humor, lack of world building etc., etc., make it impossible to enjoy the film.
After watching Episode VII I was bored. I should say, that I am essentially a new Star Wars Fan. As a youngling I would watch Episode I and Episode III very rarely, but all I really cared about or understood were the lightsaber fights. After Disney+ I've gone about watching them ALL. The prequels were heart wrenching tragedies. The Original Trilogy was an inspiring, uplifting rise from those depths. And after watching them, I wanted to see more. How would they rebuild the galaxy? Now that things are back in balance, what's the plan to keep it there? Who's going to lead them? I went in to VII not knowing what to expect, I had heard negative things, but it's hard to trust the opinion of such a dedicated fanbase😅 It was boring. It was A New Hope, Again. I had just watched this yesterday. What is this, I thought. To be sure the new cast themselves were interesting. Finn and Rey and Poe and of course BB-8, great and cool characters. But they were being forced to walk down the exact same path again. The Last Jedi fixed that, it mixed things up, I didn't know what was going to happen, for all I knew Rey was going to the Dark Side, Finn was going to awaken force wise, maybe LUKE was about to Super Sayai-- Well in the end it told a story I thought made complete sense for Luke. He was a boy, from nowhere from his perspective, suddenly flung into this thing he wasn't prepared for. Rashly and improperly trained, he only barely had enough power to take on the evil before him, and in the end he failed to do it. Darth Vader took the Kill, he won the day, and the prophecy was fulfilled. He had to lay there and watch it get taken away from him. Even so when the dust was settled he was praised endlessly for something he did not truly do. A battle he did not win and a legend beyond his ability was formed. Crushed under this weight and as he said himself in his hubris, he felt certain he could be the Jedi Master and lead a new generation. He couldn't, he didn't, he failed. Unlike a true master as soon as things went wrong, he was struck with fear. He attempted to cull his own creation. He realized his error, but that fear had been permitted in his padawan and so he retaliated and his fear led him down the wrong path. Ben's anger was set ablaze and he went in the worst possible direction. Broken, finally forced to see he was indeed still the farm boy, who lucked out, and only succeeded because the heart he saw and forced out of his father prevailed. None of this is to say Luke isn't a hero, or that he did not do much to save the day. And as I just said, if he hadn't done it and refused to fight his father, Vader would not have turned. But I think, that just as his legend grew beyond him in the galaxy far far away; so too did the admiration here, in our world grow beyond who he truly was. A good character, and a strong one, but not beyond dying a sacrificial death, not beyond failure, not without fault. In that moment in the climax, the wall the resistance had hope in came down. It was destroyed. To me, in that moment where Luke made himself appear to be there, he stood there as that unbreakable wall. Even not truly being there, he had the power to bring the enemy to a complete standstill. He commanded that fight, with just the thought of his presence. He pulled off a feat thought impossible, no it was impossible. From "the most unfindable place in the galaxy" he found his way in his mind, to that hidden and unknown rebel base. And he, in that moment became the legend proclaimed. Then, only after failure, he came to his greatest strength, his greatest success, that he and he alone accomplished. I wanted something new after watching 1-6, I found more of the same in VII, and where everyone said there was trash, there was treasure in VIII. I wasn't so sure about seeing Episode IX, but now thanks to The Last Jedi there is something to look towards in it. I actually see a purpose in yet another trilogy as they claim they seek to do. And I now see that they had to tread that same ground and then promptly break it, in order to reveal the world beneath it.
The last jedi was new and different. People need to stop hating it because it's not the original trilogy or TFA and because questions aren't answered (they CAN BE ANSWERED IN EPISODE 9!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) Star wars is just taking a change its like Harry potter and fantastic beasts okay Rose isn't the best character.........or anywhere need it but there was some meaning to her I don't think they will dive to much deeper into her character (I hope not🙄🙄) but Star Wars TLJ is RIGHT (u don't need to think it's good but its RIGHT!) Progress is impossible without change, and those who cannot change there minds cannot ever be happy
"It's good because is new and different" is honestly the dumbest defence for TLJ. The prequels are new and different, does that make them good? The Holiday Special is different, does it make it good? And what did TLJ did to progress the franchise? It really sets up Episode IX to be almost the same story as Return of the Jedi. It will be about the final battle between the First Order and the Resistance while Rey brings the Jedi Order back just like Luke did 30 years ago whit also the potential of a redemption for Kylo Ren. So tell me, how did it progress the franchise?
I think it's gonna happen like it happened to the prequels. Before the TLJ everybody hated the prequels. But now they are seen in a positive way. In fact, the prequels are actually good and we are seeing it now. I think this phenomenon will happen again in 10-20 years.
I agree. Actually I think that The Last Jedi will age best of the new trilogy; The Force Awakens relies too much on nostalgia, which probably won't hold over time, and The Rise of Skywalker is just bad filmmaking wise, compared to the previous two.
I'd like to think that, and I hope it to be the case, but let's be real as long as people like Nerdrotic are alive they will continue to shit on something they won't ever like anyway and put down people who actually like the film. Seriously that last one isn't a joke, I've stated my love for this new trilogy in comment sections and have been called mentally challenged because of that
personally I loved it, it was sooo different than anything we had seen before. it took all my preconceived notions and ripped them apart and did it brilliantly, nothing better than snokes death
My thoughts exactly! You've managed to hit every point I bring up to my friends who debate on TLJ. It wasn't the movie we wanted, but the movie we needed and deserved. Star Wars UPFs needed their comforting ground shaken as we have all gotten fat and lazy on the fan service of previous films and shows. You all want background stories for Snoke or Maz or anyone else. Just be patient. There are new books, comics, shows and video games that will include those stories. However these movies need to go forward without looking back to offer fan service. Luke was what he should have been just as Snoke was. Stepping stones for Rey and Kylo to overcome and rise up to their full potential. They needed to shake off the shackles of their predecessors. Rian Johnson was not afraid to kill the stereotypes with this film and its exactly what we needed to happen to move forward.
*Let the past die. Kill it if you have to.* I got chills the first time I heard it. Knew then that that was Rian Johnson directly addressing us the viewers. You're absolutely right. The decision to go to the polar immediately after the fan service in TFA was deliberate - it's so obvious now in hindsight. Well done on a great essay!
I like the structure of your video, but I unfortunately have to disagree on the fundament of your arguments to defend the new vision of LucasArts. Your whole premise revolves around that the franchise is being “revitalised” and fans need to be “welcomed back”. This is false. Between the prequels and TFA there have been a slew of Star Wars stories told via multiple media-forms, aimed both at hard-core fans (Shatter Point, Darth Plagueis, the Old Republic etc.) and casual/young fans (Dave Filloni’s CW and Rebels, Lego Star Wars). These stories told were/are consistent with the already established universe, yet still very creative and original. They show that a wasteful act of “letting go of the past and killing it if you must” is not necessary. In fact, they manage to give meaning to an era-overarching story, tell their own self-contained stories and help in building the fantastical galaxy further (the key reasons for Star Wars’ existence). The whole point of George Lucas selling the franchise was that he was expected to spearhead of the major Star Wars stories (i.e. the movies), yet his further leadership in that department was no longer wanted. What we get now is that the new leadership of LucasArts is purposefully destroying the meaning and significance of established stories, to tell basically the same story all over again (Force Awakens, the story the Last Jedi is now setting up). Personally, I think you are missing the point of the criticism the majority of the people are making here. Just because something is “bold”, doesn’t mean it is good. The main criticism revolves around the movie being wasteful with regard to previous universe-building and story-building and justified confusion about the story the movie itself is trying to tell. You on the other hand portray them here as overly nostalgic fanboys…
serjorah mormont I couldn't agree with you more. I am a huge legends fan but I still enjoyed this movie. That being said Everytime I hear people defend this movie it is at the expense of the fans. They erect a straw man and assume that all SW fans want the same story over and over, only dealing with the Skywalkers and Solo's ad infinitum, casually brushing aside the decades of content and development of in universe factions and people who were just as important, powerful and more importantly nuanced. By pretending that fans only would be receptive to "fan fiction" and "fan service" they are disregarding the communities of people who have dared delve into the lore and helped drive a diverse narrative that includes several views of the force, moral ambiguity, outside perspectives on force users and popular conflicts, and a history that lent credence to the lived in world feeling of the saga.
Isaiah Smith You know what? I loved TLJ but I agree. I like that they're moving forward but that doesn't mean they should completely disregard what came before it. I hope they keep some of what made the old films good in the next movie but otherwise the forward progress of the Last Jedi was something that I truly appreciated
"These stories told were/are consistent with the already established universe, yet still very creative and original." Except these stories are told within contained time periods. For example, Rebels ends by time we reach Episode 4. It cannot continue to create original stories beyond that. Same thing with the novels you referenced. All based on old content. Like the video mentioned, you can't move forward with a franchise, without creating new content, and if you rely on the old formulas and tropes to give life to tv shows and novels, it will only take Star Wars so far. You're looking at Star Wars through the lens of a few years, while Disney is trying to build for the next decade. Also, " Just because something is “bold”, doesn’t mean it is good. " can be used to say that just because something is "different", doesn't mean it is bad.
I have to find these positive videos on occasion to remind me it isn't all whiney babies who call themselves Star Wars fans but put down anybody who loves a Star Wars movies.
@@kylemorello4787 I just don't want to seem like one of those haters who just hate it to hate it, I really don't like this movie at all but do u see me yelling about it
@@dapoox2622 I'm so glad to hear it! You just enjoy the Star Wars you like, and I'll enjoy the one I like. I'm sure, aside from our disagreements with TLJ, they're not that different.
I agree! I really loved TLJ. It still had nostalgic elements that were pulled from the original trilogy... it had the battle with the walkers, it had the young over confident character leaving without completing their Jedi training to go and help their friends. But there is a point where this trilogy would have had to have legacy characters die and the new characters rise and take over. There is still time to find out more about Snoke & Rey's backstory in other films, books or other forms of cannon. What was done with Snoke's story was exactly what happened with the Emperor the first time he showed up. We first saw him in ESB as only a hologram, we saw more of him in ROTJ where he He dies at the hands of his apprentice. We didn't find out more about the Emperors back story in film form until the prequel trilogy came out & we found out more about him in books. Really this was a smart move by Disney & Lucasfilm. It leaves room for a stand alone film about the backstory of Snoke or Rey.
The comment section is proof that star wars nerds don’t understand the very thing they’re obsessed with. Crazy how you can be that emotional about it and yet fail to comprehend it entirely.
"Suck it up"? I don't think the origins of Snoke were the most important thing to address with this movie; the movie was meant to be about development of the protagonist (s). But yes, the origin of the most powerful force user in the Galaxy, the person who turned the tables from the New Republic to the First Order, is still INCREDIBLY important to the story. Snoke means nothing now. He was a waste of time in development. If they had left him out it would have made a better story because the conflict of the dark side within Kylo would have been his own, that of a child trying to find his own way, therefore an important part of his early development as a character. By writing off such a potentially deep character like they did, they effectively gave a giant middle finger to any of the fans who cared enough to theorize about him, who he was, where he came from, and what role he had left to play. I understand the desire to be unpredictable, but now what? Who's the real villain anymore? Kylo and Rei are at odds again, but if they leave Kylo as the villain until he dies they once again are throwing away the character with the greatest potential for development.
@@paulwalker3758 we knew he was the supreme antagonist who was finally brought to a head in the final movie of the trilogy. We were given him as the absolute evil in the galaxy which allowed us to see that Vader was not the main villain here. He was given a chance to be something better. The difference is where the death of Snoke and the death of Palpatine came in the 2 trilogies. Snoke was presented to be the new Palpatine in every way, until they said, "No, now it's Kylo."
Steven Oliver so, you’d have preferred a carbon repeat of Return of the Jedi? TLJ gave two options: we see what could have been as a Skywalker becomes ruler of the Galaxy. Or we see a Skywalker who is ruler realising it’s not what he wanted and his ambitions had all been wrong. Instead TROS said, here, have ANOTHER Palpetine to kill in the finale.
Is that why Yoda refused to train Luke at first? Because he was waiting for him to grow up? Obi-Wan convinced him to train him, Yoda was waiting to die...
@Tarik Rashada luke caused the rise of kylo ren and brough doom to the galaxy by being arrogant enough to think hat he, as impatient, untrained, flirting with the dakr side jedi would be able to flawlessly teach students. If you would have inadvertendly placed everything you, your friends , family and the galaxy fought for in mortal danger and ruined the sacrifice of your father. you too would go to an island hoping to die. Luke realzied that the creation of Jedi inadvertedly brings rise to new sith, so his logical conclusion,b very rightly is to let the jedi die to prevent powerful force users from being enabled to become champions of the darkside you clearly missed the messages and symbolism of the movie.
I really loved THE LAST JEDI. I was actually surprised at the negative reviews because to me it was one of my favorite movies of all time. Everyone who saw THE LAST JEDI had some sort of reaction. The audience reaction and the director's reaction and the producers reaction all really correlated. No matter what response was given, the audience was always positive. I liked the film so much that I even have a copy of THE LAST JEDI in my personal collection. One of the best things about my collection is it's packed full of my favorite movie from every time period from the "From George Lucas to James Cameron" era to the decades of our favorite writer/director's work. But the thing that really stands out to me about
"Star Wars will become irrelevant if it doesn't move forward, grow and evolve" All right, can you tell me what TLJ does in order to move the franchise forward? It really sets Episode IX to be the same as Return of the Jedi "The Rebellion is reborn today. The war is just begining. And I will not be The Last Jedi."
Episode IX can't be the same as ROTJ. TLJ used scenes echoing ESB and ROTJ, clearing the path so that IX can be totally original. Snoke is dead, now Kylo, an emotionally unstable warrior is in charge of the first order. Rey and the resistance are without any help of the older characters and are down to 10 people.
@@supreme_leader5135 Episode IX can't be original because this trilogy started in the exact same spot the OT started and TLJ also ended basically in the same spot as TESB, the only diferences are the ones you pointed out, but with JJ Abrams writing and directing again, I hardly think we'll se anything actually fresh and original in IX. "The Rebellion is reborn today. The war is just begining" a clear set up for the final confrontation between the Resistance and the First Order which the Resistance will obviously win, *boring!* "And I will not be the last Jedi" so Rey will rebuild the Jedi Order just like Luke did 30 years ago *Zzzzzz*
The movie moves the franchise forward by passing the torch to a new generation. This is literally the whole point of the movie. Are you just so stupid that you didn’t see that, or are you just so blinded by your hatred that you just refuse to
@@connerr.7865 By moving the franchise forward you mean bringing back the Emperor? Doesn't matter if the new movies are about the new generation if the story and the conflict are the same as the ones from the OT. How does TLJ "move the franchise forward" if the end result is the Empire against the Rebellion once again as well as the rise of the jedi? Luke says so at the end of TLJ and he reinforced it now in the Episode IX teaser.
The great thing about having no background for Snoke is that it's open for anyone to fill in any way they like... or they can just leave it be. It doesn't matter.
Well, he probably didn't look exactly at the weapon the person he was trying to kill for decades was holding. Also it could've been just a different blue lightsaber. Why would he question it? Why would he care what Luke's lightsaber looks like?
Maximilian Brückner He wanted the lightsaber pretty badly too, as he tried to grab it in TFA and TLJ. It’s a recognizable weapon, and I bet he expected Luke to use his green saber.
@@professorthox4499 Well yeah it would've made more sense if they just went with the green one. But it still is possible that he didn't recognize it from a few feet away. Because when he was fighting Finn and Rey, he saw the handle up close. Here Kylo was even angrier and he didn't actually have a great chance to look at its detail. Also it's just another thing to let the audience know something isn't right.
A detail would be him making no marks on the salt. But as far as Rian Johnson is concerned, Kylo noticed the saber change. I believe he said Luke did it to enrage Kylo, so he did notice. But if this doesn’t make Kylo suspicious, then that doesn’t make for a good villain. Incompetent villains don’t pose a threat, and Kylo keeps on hampering the First Order.
That's what happens when you're full of rage.. you begin to lose focus to the point you missed one pretty obvious (could've been misled) clue to Luke's projection
I am a die-hard SW fan and loved The Last Jedi. Despite my sadness for the backlash against this movie and Lucasfilm's feeling that the franchise needs to go on hiatus, I'm at least glad that all of these toxic, entitled, aggressively hateful "fans" will be deprived of future content they don't deserve. When Star Wars comes back, I hope Lucasfilm continues to take risks and strive for creativity instead of catering to fan expectations.
Actually enjoyed TLJ at first viewing, then I heard that there was a lot of anger w/TLJ. A lot of the complaints I read against TLJ I thought were pretty accurate. Before you say I'm easily influenced by popular opinion, I never let anyone deter my love for the prequel trilogy. In my opinion ESB really explains the force and the importance of the Jedi religion which its entire purpose seems to want to prevent the user from falling to the dark side. The prequels is a lesson of what can happen if the Jedi code is not followed and why even Anakin was too old to start the training. You need to recruit the kids, probably as infants and train them on how to control your emotions. The complaints of the prequels of that there was not much fun and lacked humor misses the point that Jedi are a bunch of boring monks because of their training. So my complaint with Rey, which I too noticed right away on TFA, was her ability to use the Jedi mind trick - yes I'm going to say it - with out any training. I'm not a misogynist, Ahsoka is friggin awesome and is well trained on how not to fall to the dark side. What kind of controls was Rey given? How is she even introduced to Jedi powers? Specifically levitation and hypnosis. The burning of the Jedi text is basically the burning of thousands of years of lessons learned of how not to fall to the dark side.
"The prequels is a lesson of what can happen if the Jedi code is not followed and why even Anakin was too old to start the training." No the prequels teaches us how flawed the jedi were. Anakin didn't turn to the dark soley because he was too old when he became a jedi and thus tend to break the jedi code. Although it probably played a part, Anakin turned to the dark because the jedi themselves became corrupted with the war, they became warriors instead of peacekeepers, which lead to their ultimate demise. Like it or not, TLJ is the only sequel movie that actually acknowledge the prequels' existence and what we learn from them. your complaint is toward Rey in TFA, not in TLJ. It's a fair complaint although, I don't think too much of it. It's Star wars. Maybe it can be explained that using mindtricks is a simple thing to do against weaker minded life forms, and she learned it from Kylo which she also is a dyad with. The books were not destroyed, it's shown at the end of TLJ that Rey had the books on the falcon.
@Yoda what is the point of the Jedi religion? Two extremes Qui Gon and Maul. Every Yoda quote is a warning on how to fall to the darkside. Anakin not being raised from the point of being able to forget his mother or better instill the "no attachments" was was setting him up for failure. I'm going to watch "Tales of the Jedi" because of this conversation, if Ashoka was pulled as a baby, this will support my point
@Yoda the darkside is actually then more powerful because there are no restraints. This makes the rule of 2 important because this is the check and balance for those who practice the light side. The ROtS novel discusses that before the rule of 2 the sith were wiping each other out because their personal greed was almost uncontrollable. Again the Jedi and "no attachments" George Lucas knew exactly what he was doing. I have always been a fan of the PT. I was a fan when the Clone Wars came out. The CW Was actually the first SW movie that flopped
@@Trader_65-OT There's no doubt Anakin's attachments lead to him falling easier to the dark side as previously stated. But it's far from the only factor. The jedi were corrupted, both Dooku and Qui gon jinn saw this. The "no-attachment" rule is oppressing and will do more harm than good. The fact that the jedi take children from their families is in of it self unethical to me. It's impossible for anyone to not have attachments, see even Obi-wan had a love interest in CW. Strong attachments are even built between masters and apprentices, see Obi-wan's outrage for Maul killing Qui gon. The jedi teaches that its dangerous to have attachments, but at the same time wants them to be selfless and only think about others. I think the jedi's teahings should be focused on learning how to deal with emotions with attachments rather them restricting their freedom and their natural right to love others. I wish Filoni and Favreau would've made Luke understand this in book of boba fett, since he himself is a living example of a hero that was too old to be a jedi. The dark side is not more powerful than the light, it's just easier and more tempting. Yoda says in Empire.
The ending is a lot like the Clint Eastwood movie Grand Torino. Luke has ascended to a higher spiritual level. He doesn’t need to fight in the conventional way anymore.
@@darkthorpocomicknight7891 out of fear. In Ep6 as Luke chopped off Vader's hand he embraced the dark side for the first time. As he felt the darkness in Ben, he was overwhelmed by his fear 'and fear is the way to the dark side' so he instinctivly ignited his lightsaber. Ben, awakening to his Master with his Lightsaber activated above him, reacted with a single hit and Luke blocked it. _He didnt attack. (As portrayed in Kylos Version of the Past) Luke was afraid of the Darkness in Ben and Ben attacked him_ Atleast now this makes sense, as Palpatine was playing Luke the whole time.. Ep9 maybe was not at all bad, It made the Trilogy a whole again.
1. Just because something is changed, doesn't mean it's good or better. 2. Change can be good, but the change has to be realistic to the character, and along a believable arc of development A luke that saw good in *vader* would not have done that to Ben. If he changed that drastically, you better show us in a damned good way how..
Because Luke is human. Before coming back to his senses and sparing his father, Luke was overcome by rage. The same thing happened with his fear of what Ben could become.
chamlok how is Luke human? He was a Jedi master. He ascended a spiritual plane. Know how I know? ‘Cuz he disappeared into thin air when he ‘died’ Sorry if that’s hocky dooky; but that’s part of Star Wars. Anyone with a shred of respect for what the franchise means would know that. Luke is not human, but even Jedi can, and have failed. There is a narrative where many of the pieces of TLJ could make sense, they could have even been emotional charged, but they just didn’t, they weren’t. But it would have taken some hard work and some real oversight and collaboration. But Disney/lucasfilm pretty much said “just put this out; those morons will buy all the toys and shit” And that’s ultimately what upsets so many of us. We aren’t morons. We grew up with this and it meant something to us. We are the reason it’s even a thing! To give us this disjointed and pathetic effort is disrespectful to all of us and all movie goers who aren’t even invested in the series.
@@ChromeTztizit When you are a jedi master you are not human anymore ? Your point doesn't make sense : i say "Luke can fail" and you answer "no, even jedi masters can fail", so what's wrong ? I'm tired of arguing with frustrated fans who think they understood star wars better than everyone else, we all saw the same movies, you are not an expert. It's a movie, not a religion, move on.
chamlok I take your point that it sounds like I’m trying to have it both ways. So I’ll clarify: Jedi can make mistakes Jedi Masters are less prone to. Jedi Masters who defeated the greatest evil in the universe and turned a horrible monster into a repentant force ghost? Very hard to accept they simply ‘made a mistake’ As I said in the next sentence after you quoted me, Luke’s mistake doesn’t make any sense. His motivations make no sense and go completely against everything he was. If you want to make the downfall of someone as epic as Luke was, you have to do it properly. I politely think this film did it improperly. I’m actually totally in favor of the ‘let it die’ aspect that TLJ did. I loved that Rey “came from nowhere” those are tropes that could definitely be broken. That one instance isn’t my (or many fans’) gripe. Our issue is the total mishandling of the source material of something very broad and well known. It just feels weird, dude. It feels lazy, it feels offensive to our viewing intelligence. As far as your dismissive “let it go, nerd boy” argument. I actually couldn’t agree with you more. I think you’re being a wee bit a cunt, but one thing this new series has crystallized for me is that childish things should be left with the children. It’s just a shame that the new generation of star wars watchers have to be subjected to this. Something that will not hold up after they hit 8th grade.
Thank you for this video!! Love the content you've been putting out, very happy that you see why The Last Jedi was a masterpiece. Of course, it wasn't perfect, and I do have my quarrels (such as Maz barely existing) but as you said, it's told by professional storytellers rather than fan fiction writers. The Last Jedi needed to happen to have the epic conclusion to the saga.
Thankyou for speaking some sense about the last Jedi. It was a great film as far as I'm concerned, and I'm starting to think the fanbase will never be happy with anything they get. To be honest, as much as I love star wars I'm not a big fan of the fanbase. I remember all the racist comments I read on TH-cam when John Boyega was cast in the force awakens. If those guys don't like the new films they can bugger off and good riddance. Let them stick to their terrible fan fiction
Awm Joeyjoejoe Johnson literally stole the setup and execution of scenes from other, better movies, yet, Johnson wanted to subvert our expectations with something we've never seen before. Lmfao. Oh lord, the hypocrisy! Lol. Johnson literally stole the entire hologram ending scene from John Carpenters' Escape movies! And they stole so much more. Wow. Hollyweird is being canceled...didnt you know?
Awm Joeyjoejoe before you go saying that around let me say that I think I speak for most of the fan base when I say I loved the force awakens personally thought it was the best one yet, but after what they did with Luke which might I add even mark Hamill hated the last Jedi I just can’t take it anymore
Rogue one got great reviews, it had a Latino and a female lead. Yes there are racist out there, but as a Mexican myself, it was a bad film because of the bad writing not because people of color were cast.
@@TheArbiterOfTruth I also haven't watched EP9 but I personally thinks EP8 is the best movie made by Disney. And I like the resurrection of Star Wars under Disney.
"If Rey were a Palpatine, it'd be wish fulfillment in the extreme."
Oof
"That Rey is a Palpatine or Skywalker would be a bad thing."
LOL.
Oh nooooooo
JJ Abrams: hold my beer
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How about both
Yeah...
You don't love Luke because he's powerful. You love Luke because he's an actual person.
This movie broke Mark Hamills heart. And dragged his biggest legacy through the mud. It wasn't Luke. It was just a big middle finger from Ryan Johnson.
Haxwings ESO you sound like the whiny bitch to me 😂
@Haxwings ESO oh yeah Luke Skywalker was *so* upbeat in Empire and Return of the Jedi.
@@skeeverskeeyo7331 Mark was upset with it for a bit but he came to respect the character decision and then appreciate it, watch more interviews.
@Haxwings ESO Did you even watch the fucking movie at all?
"Luckily Star Wars films aren't made by fan-fiction writers, they're made by actual storytellers"
Rise of Skywalker: "Hold my Beer"
grnaskd JJ looking around reddit for inspiration lmaooo
JJ sucks.
grnaskd To be fair, Rian put him in an awkward corner as he couldn’t really take the characters much further after TLJ. Not justifying RoS, but TLJ is a big part of blame on this.
K. Keith you took the words right out of my mouth bro. If JJ undid what Rian has done in TLJ then Disney should’ve just let JJ direct all 3 films, honestly.
Rómulo Figueroa JJ did have a plan, Rian decided to change everything midway through. Allegedly there were outlines of all 3 scripts, and Rian decided to completely rewrite the second one. Also JJ set up a lot of stuff for Rian, and he decided to work with... none of it, so I don’t feel sympathy for him.
www.google.ca/amp/amp.denofgeek.com/us/movies/star-wars/271448/star-wars-rian-johnson-scrapped-jj-abrams-episode-viii-script what I’m talking about.
For what it's worth I absolutely loved the film. I remember my parents showing me "A new hope" when I was six or seven and I had no idea what was going on I just remember what the film felt like to young me. And now, roughly 20 years later, I sat in the cinema and I got that same feeling again, something that didn't happen during the prequels or The Force Awakens and for that alone I love that film - to me it just felt like "Star Wars".
I know what you mean! I have a similar memory, that the original trilogy really changed my understanding of what a film could even be. This film had the same feeling to me!
Lightsabers got me into star wars. I was like 2 and toddlers are all about colors.
This was my experience as well...
@@Stretchdiazz The Muppet Show is what did it for.
"Hey Luke, who's your tailor? I love that robe!"
"Oh no! It's Kylo Ren! Who?"
"Did you really try to kill him?" "No I gurgled gershwin in his face. That was enough to make him hate me."
"Impressive. Every word of that sentence was wrong." "Hey! I said something like that once!" "You did?" "Yeah, in The Great Muppet Caper. Also, your friend here kinda reminds me of one of my friends, Walter." "Is that a bad thing?" "Not really. It makes her more relatable to the long time fans." "Hey, by the way, where was he during your AB-" "Oh, please don't bring that show up! Ever since it suffered the same obnoxious reception as this film just talking about it gives me PTSD! Sheesh! You know Luke, I want believe that being willing to collab with Disney was worth it, but sometimes I think that it just caused people to suck the fun out our franchises." "Don't complain to me! You're the one who wanted us to sing When You Wish Upon a Star at the end of our episode!"
Remember that quote, " No one hates Star Wars as much as Star Wars Fans." That is being pushed to maximum with these new movies.
It's funny because most of the complaints about these new movies could suit the old ones too. But not a single "fan" will make this comparison. Nostalgia is making people stupid.
*Stupid high level elite guards?* Are you talking about stormtroopers or Snoke's guards?
*A super powerful highlord villain sitting on a chair dies like shit? What about his story? WTF!* Are you talking about Palpatine or Snoke?
*Holy shit, how on Earth can a poor trained person on the Force face a master lightsaber user?* Are you talking about Luke vs Vader or Rey vs Kylo?
*OMG that character on a cool armor was so badass! Can't belive he's gone without any background! Trash movies* So, are you talking about Boba Fett or Phasma?
and the list goes on
Another phrasing of your sentence: "only someone invested in a franchise cares if they think that franchise is becoming bad and openly criticizes it"
@OHGAS Thank you, you just proved my point. Nostalgia made you stupid.
@OHGAS And by the way, stormtroopers are supposed to be the most well trained type of soldier in the galaxy. All the rest you talked is bullshit for the sake of your love for the old trilogy.
Please don't get me wrong, I love all Star Wars movies. But we all need to remember what they've always been: a cheesy epic space opera story that has it's flaws but it's worldbreaking beautiful.
I completely agree with you about the "failure" message from The Last Jedi, but the "let the past die" line was not at all intended to be the message of the film. The quote literally came from the villain.
Yoda destroyed the jedi texts. Let the past die
Kylo Ren is my hero. He inspires me to chase my dreams.
James Njonjo Nah, Rey took em. And Yoda wasn't saying to let the past die, bc he said there is nothing in the texts that Rey doesn't know. And Luke saying "I will not be the last Jedi" and it cutting to Rey is another factor
And that means...?
I took it as Kylo lying to himself with by repeating the mantra, in order to fool himself into believing it, when he really couldn't. He couldn't bring himself to fire on his mother when they force sensed each other, and after Luke's deception, kylo tried to grab his father's dice, to hold onto the past, but they vanished with Luke. Then he looked up to Rey from a position of vulnerability, kneeling, mind scrambling for words that never came, seemingly caught by her witnessing his hypocrisy. Beautiful ending, but then JJ came back and didn't have the smarts to continue on with these moments.
I enjoyed each trilogy for different reasons. But I wholeheartedly love Star Wars with all my being!
Me too
Same here.
@@ncrawford5673 happy 1 year anniversary of the rise of Skywalker
@@ryanbarth6691 happy 1 year anniversary to you too.
@@ncrawford5673 thanks
I loved the last Jedi, and I am a big Star Wars fan. I honestly think the last Jedi portrays the force in an amazing way that some people just can’t accept. Those people need to watch the episodes again and listen to how the force is described in many episodes.
I agree, and I also like the way the Force was portrayed in Rebels. I hope he (Johnson) fufills his SW Trilogy. Would love to see where else he takes it to.
It was garbage
@@lilzachy1842 that's your opinion
-JØKER - th-cam.com/video/f83D18xL7VE/w-d-xo.html that’s many people’s opinions it was the biggest load of shite ever
Garbage movie. TFA was good. Tlj was not
I saw TLJ about a week ago for the first time. I had already read and seen the spoilers so i didnt think i could have the movie ruined if I happened not to like it. But I actually think it was a very good movie. It has it's flaws, but so does every other SW movie. I think also seeing videos where people explain TLJ and point out it's strengths has made me realize what a great movie it is. I hope the cast and Rian Johnson dont feel let down because of all the negative criticism. I truly think Luke ended up as the hero i always imagined him to be. And the new characters now have so much room for potential and growth in the next movie...im excited to see what happens. but not making theories! i'm just going to sit back and enjoy the ride! Anyway, great vid!!!
I didn't mind the flawed characters in The Last Jedi, I actually think turning Luke into the hermit he was is pretty clever- It was just the execution of it all that bothered me
Me too i loved luke in this movie
@LEO2001 I thought Finn's arc was pretty good but the problem is that he was wasted, he deserved much better, Rey was fine but could've been better but i really like her arc until rise of skywalker totally destroyed it when they made her a palpatine, Kylo Ren was amazing as always and Luke was awesome IMO
@LEO2001 his arc in the force awakens is fighting for himself, in the last jedi it's fighting for others
@LEO2001 you have a point here but let's say this, Finn's arc in the force awakens was learning to stand up for himself and in the end he found people that he trusted that changed him into a better person, the only reason he save Rey is because she's his friend (could be wrong tho i usually think a lot more than i am right now but I'm too lazy)in the last Jedi he learned to care about everyone else but he's still wasted tho
@LEO2001 in force awakens his arc was learning to fight for himself and close friends, as he says at starkiller “I’m just here to get Rey” in last Jedi at the beginning he is just trying to leave so Rey comes back to a safe place, there is literally a deleted scene where Finn tells Poe that he isn’t part of the resistance, but then he sees Rose and he sees how others see him as a hero, at canto bite he has 2 people pulling him differnt ways, he has rose saying how bad thoes first order sellers are and the pain they cause then he has DJ?(is that his name) telling him that’s it’s all the same and don’t join like he was originally gonna do, and then at Crait he decides to sacrifice himself for the resistance but rose stops him to tie in what Poe learned that the resistance needs Live Leaders not dead heros
Omg this is the video essay I've been wanting to write. I'm glad to see that I'm not the only one who saw these themes in TLJ, and this video was great. Thanks so much for making it!
Actually there are LOTS of TH-camrs who make wonderful videos on TLJ:
Film Joy, Just Write, Shaun, Nerrel, Films, Films&Stuff, Make Stuff, Patrick Willens, Jenny Nicholson, Sthepan Krosecz, Movie Bob, Bobby Skulface, Star Wars Explained, Hello Greedo, AT-AT chat, EC Henry, Hishe and GeekyGlassesTV
Fair, but at the time I posted this comment this video was the only one that addressed, specifically, the theme of the importance of failure
Themes? Cool, but that does not stop a film from being stupid. They needed to execute these themes well.
The themes are good ideas but are poorly executed.The theme of failure is a great idea but the execution is terrible.The characters were forced around the theme.Themes were put above the characters
@@hellothere4045 - EXACTLY
This video reminds me how much TROS missed in terms of story and execution.
Totally, the helmet, Vader cosplay inhibited Kylo's growth in a satisfactory direction, so RJ destroys it, then JJ is all, heeeeeeey you wrecked it! And puts it literally back together and back on his head
@@adamscott7354 Agreed, back on Kylo's head and reverse any character development achieved in the previous film. Instead he killed him, because it worked so well in the original trilogy. I shouldn't be surprised, I've seen what he's done with Star Trek.
@@ebony6809 Well I actually like those first two I see your point though
@@adamscott7354The first two Trek movies were great but the last one... showed that JJ is not the guy you assign for the finale of a trilogy. The real question is how do you combine two very different directors' visions in a film series?
This is by far the greatest review of the Last Jedi I have seen on you tube. This reviewer totally gets it and I do believe that after episode IX the Last Jedi will be seen as a great Star Wars movie. I have seen it 4 times now and it gets better every time I see it. Time will have a positive effect in how this move is regarded.
What ya smoking ?
+richard haynes - This is the "greatest" review for you because it's literally the only one that doesn't tear the movie to shreds. you shouldn't need time to improve the quality of a movie (whatever that even means). A movie should be great for the audiences that see it in a theater. Not for audiences 20 years from now.
Scott K This film is part of a series of 9 films. When the 9th film is in and made then the whole series and the context of Episode VIII can be reassessed.
Stev shaboba Not what you are..
+richard haynes - It *should* be part of a series of 9 films. But it's not.
If this were really the 8th film in a series, it would have followed a cohesive story arc that was outlined before the film was ever even written. But that's not what happened.
When Abrams handed the reins over to Johnson, Johnson decided to take the story in an entirely different direction from the original story Abrams had in mind. As made clear by the countless things from the force awakens that he decided to just abruptly do away with, and the fact that the theme of the movie was to "let the past die."
Now control of the saga is going back to Abrams, who has to somehow un-fuck the saga by either transitioning back into the original story arc he had in mind, or by continuing in the *new* direction Johnson has taken it, and doing his best with someone else's vision. Either way, the 9th film is going to be written on the fly.
In other words, thanks to Johnson (and partly to Abrams) this is no longer a coherent series. It's more like a game of telephone.
Regardless of what happens in the next episode, the clusterfuck that johnson visited on the saga will always be a part of episode 8's legacy. No matter how well 9 is written, and no matter how well the story recovers, it will always be true that 8 was kind of a mess. *No film should need to be salvaged by it's sequel in order to be good.*
You, somehow and incredibly, expressed every feeling I have of this movie. I think it's brilliant. I truly love THE LAST JEDI. It's easily my second favorite film of the series.
Mikey Wood GARBAGE
Your an actual idiot, it was so poorly written, it was written more like a marvel film than a Star Wars film.
@lil zachy @taylorx10 And here is exhibit A. of toxic internet crybabies who can't handle people like things they don't.
@@AmusedWalrus I would pay more attention to them if they used punctuation and the correct version of "you're".
Actually...no, I wouldn't.
@@AmusedWalrus amen
This video is amazing. You are so right. For me I think Last Jedi is the point we needed for a change in theme. I will say I was mad at first. But seeing the movie again about 5 times. I saw it for what it was a new look and a new story. Hard core fans. If you read this know that I too love Star Wars. But we needed a new start to the end. And Last Jedi did that. Let go of the past and look at what the future of the films will bring. (Thanks for reading..)
People invested questions in the character's past instead of their future because there's been a 30 years gap between the OT and the sequels. It's obvious they want to know what happened before going forward.
But that makes you a hater... apparently?
Abrams messed it up from the beginning by portraying Luke as a myth in TFA. No one becomes a myth in 30 years. Seventy years later, we still have the ability to look back on and remember the heroes of WWII. There is no way Luke becomes a myth in 30 years. And that's not the only Abrams f-up in TFA. That's why I have no hope for Episode IX and refuse to watch it. Abrams messed up Star Wars, and Johnson just threw it in the garbage. If Johnson wanted to change Star Wars so much, then he should've started an original IP and built his own world, his own characters, and his own franchise rather than completely ruin something that people have enjoyed for four decades. Mark Hamill tried to warn us.
I think that in a galaxy of trillions of beings with only a handful of people at most seeing Skywalker in the flesh would make him a legend by virtue of third hand stories. I don't mind that he became a legend and I think it makes sense. Farmboy destroys the Empire's ultimate weapon kicking the whole Galactic Civil War into high gear, he then gains even more fame as a hero of the Rebellion and then ends the war by defeating the emperor and his dark enforcer. That, and probable New Republic propaganda hyping up the heroes of the former Rebel Alliance, sounds like a legend to me and probably would seem that way to most in the galaxy.
And I will point to the past Star Wars properties that people didn't like at first, including; Star Wars V, KotOR II, and the Thrawn trilogy to some extent. There will always be new Star Wars for people. I am more afraid of IX feeling disjointed.
I like TLJ more than TFA and it is not nearly as bad as Episode II and it's a good movie if you shed every expectation you have for it and your knowledge of the force from Legends. It bucked everyone's expectation. And you have to remember that these are all dumb, easy to understand kids movies, so why do we hold them to an impossible standard?
Isaac Engle
"I think that in a galaxy of trillions of beings with only a handful of people at most seeing Skywalker in the flesh would make him a legend by virtue of third hand stories."
Luke wasn't called a legend in TFA; he was called a myth. Those are two different things. Yes, what Luke did as a part of the Rebel Alliance to topple the Emperor could conceivably become legend in a short period of time, but there is no possible way that it (or Luke) becomes a myth. A huge amount of time has to pass before something can become myth.
He calls himself a Legend in TLJ, but you are right about the Myth thing in TFA. But even then you could argue that Luke may not have even existed and there were probably those people who thought he was just some made up hero or someone masquerading as a Jedi to boost Alliance morale or recruitment. They also mentioned the Jedi being myths in New Hope so the galaxy probably has a very short memory. Like how we now have kids who don't remember 9/11 for example.
Yes yes so many times yes. Thank you. I left the theater exhilarated and so ready to see where this was going, not thinking I know where this is going.
Me too! And, what did you thought?
Did you like Episode IX?
I really disliked it
Unfortunately I did not...
Very inteligent movie, so bold, so full of nuances, so fresh. I LOVE what they do with Luke, he seems so human, so vunerable, and yet (and because of that) so much heroic in the end. He has a honorable death indeed, very touching. The film is not perfect, none of the OT is, but it has so memorable scenes and lines and charachters, that it has become one of my favourites in the saga, just after ESB. So much good could be said about this movie that it's completely out of my comprehension that it is getting SO MUCH hate. I think these things come with the internet era, and time, and new generations of fans will put it where it really belongs.
The internet is not why people hated this atrocious movie.
The comment section is so salty we could very well be in crait
* licks finger * *SALT*
Heyyyyy I like to say something similar. “I haven’t seen this much salt since the Battle of Crait”
@Shonksu oh god...
@Shonksu 🤣🤣🤣
It’s true, the video is just shit and dumbass “deep” stuff. It destroyed the universe and characters. Now, if you feel like having a battle of crait, reply and I will write an essay about it.
Appreciate your points of view, thanks for sharing them.
However, I cannot agree with a few points:
"fans..fail to recognize the importance of fallable characters..."
I don't think the director recognizes it either. The character Rey, so far, IS INfalliable. She's made no mistakes, faced no real adversity (the red guards don't really count as personal adversity, imo). She's made no real mis-steps.
"too reliant on callbacks and nostalgia"....
Yet, in TLJ, there are several instances of mouse droids. BB8 even disguises himself as a box and hums the mouse droid sound effects.
The throne room scene is replicated.
Luke, sacrifices hismself as a diversion so his friends can escape - this is exactly what obi-wan did in a new hope. Luke fades away to become one with the force, like Obi-wan and yoda.
The chosen one trope?
This wasn't a trope until the PT, and was resolved. It's not a trope. The trope really is: force sensitives are born throughout the galaxy in the star wars universe; examples such as all the jedi and padawans in the PT, Ahsoka, Maul, Ventress, Kanan, Ezra, Obi-wan. None of them are skywalker bloodline, yet all are force users, some quite powerful.
While there is some new and exciting things in the TLJ, much of what you hightlight as things the director is arguing against - he uses in his movie. The callbacks are choices made by the directors and disney to a.) sell familiar, successful merchandise back to the audience, and b.) because the directors and Disney don't trust the audience to receive something "new". the audience has not been given a chance to consume something "new". Audience/fans are tired of seeing the same old, same old (mouse droids, wilhelm screams, I have a bad feeling about this...). They want something new. This can be achieved without bringing our heroes back just to kill them in the name of progress, with no substance to their "contributions" on screen.
But again, your view is well thought out - and I appreciate the effort you put in to sharing it - thanks!
Cheers!
Rey faces abandonment issues and struggles with her identity. She doesn't know how shit fits in the universe since she grew up without loving parents, without heritage, without anything but a life of scavenging. Her glaring mistakes are searching for parents in everyone she meets. She immediately saw Han as a father figure, and then lost him. She immediately saw Luke as her chance for a mentor and direction, but he fiercely rejected her. She wants others to tell her what to do rather than forge her own destiny. Nothing is worse than not knowing who you are.
The throne room scene is replicated? Where? Be specific.
New Mexico Tuskens his bullshit was poorly thought out because his rhetoric is full of lies.
New Mexico Sabers well said. And, wow: Johnson literally stole the setup and execution of scenes from other, better movies, yet, Johnson wanted to subvert our expectations with something we've never seen before. Lmfao. Oh lord, the hypocrisy! Lol. Johnson literally stole the entire hologram ending scene from John Carpenters' Escape movies, almost shot for shot! And he stole so much more, he plagiarized and stole scenes and setups from so many different sources and passed it off as originally his own. Lmfao. He's a hack and it was a hack job movie. Wow. Hollyweird is being canceled...don't all these folks know?
@@baconjam5815 You claim their "struggles" but it doesn't seem to take ANY burden for her throughout the films. She seems to be doing fine being able to pilot like Anakin and if not better than him, being able to lift tons of boulders around her without breaking a sweat in just a couple of days after learning she can use the force, she's never trained to use a lightsaber, yet somehow was able to defeat the most elite troops of The First Order. She seems like she does everything with ease and doesn't let her so called "struggles" get in the way. Surprised she didn't magically scream and somehow kill Snoke herself lmao. Want to know a well-written character with struggles? Look into the story of Anakin Skywalker. Especially, in TCW. Btw, the throne scene is replicated with the only throne scene in the franchise that's in Return of The Jedi. Fucking moron.
Tide pods to be fair, Rey could barely hold her own against even one of the guards. Kylo was the one doing all the work in that scene, fighting 5ish at once while she struggled to keep one at bay
anyone else watching this after the rise of Skywalker
me
😔 JJ is a bitch
Kudos
Why?
@@yoshikagekira9012 he ruined the tlj by not continuing anything that rian did
Squarehead 333 your so right if “rise” is the ending then I’m just like y’all should have kept with Johnson’s path because this one is so messy bro!
"Circumstances change. People change"
Interest rates fluctuate...
Gave me a good laugh.
4:20 Except Luke is very different from these characters. His passion and heart is exactly what made him not give up. Yoda has always been a little distant from people, that's what happens when you live for so long and see so many die. But he is characterized that way to have lost some of his empathy towards people. And actually this is a misinterpretation of Obi Wan's character. He never gave up but unlike Luke is not stubborn. He found a new purpose. He was going to protect Luke so he could eventually have him fight Vader. He didn't give up on the world, but rather gave up on the life he led before in hopes of achieving the ultimate good. But Luke... his defining trait was not giving up. He wouldn't give up even if he should've. That's what made him a compelling character originally. He's flawed, he always has been. I just don't like that the movie made him flawed in ways that contradict a previous characterization. How much more powerful would a broken Luke be if he had fallen in a way that we didn't expect but can clearly understand. That is more heartbreaking. That is sad. Forcing us to suspend our disbelief for a complete character 180 is not as compelling because we are taken out of the story to think but... This doesn't line up with the character's previous mentality. I understand what you're saying... Flaws and failure, people didn't like it because Luke wasn't all powerful. That's not why I don't like it. He could've been just as powerful as any other Jedi... Just don't completely change the character. Don't have him considering killing Ben because he saw a vision of the possibility of him killing people. I think a much more compelling way is to have Luke see the vision and treat Ben differently. He can become overprotective out of fear of losing Ben to the dark side and like many before him overcompensate for the vision they saw and in doing so force that situation to happen. Because now Ben feels like he's already done something wrong like he's already a monster. This could be a compelling motivation as to why Kylo wants to be on the dark side so bad. If everyone sees me as a bad guy why not just become the bad guy (assisted by Snoke's manipulation). All this to say, Luke would not give up, not like he did in this movie. I'm fine with Luke failing that can be a powerful message about heroes not being infallible, I get it. But let the hero fail in ways that the audience can follow. This makes the heroes fall more devastating because not only did it happen but the mistakes made were understandable, human. They make him feel more well rounded as a consequence, not different. Because seeing this non Luke character in the gutter is a problem because I don't feel like this is Luke anyway. But seeing Luke in the gutter seeing our hero fall so far but still retaining elements of Luke and the motivation of Luke is much sadder. Seeing someone in pain is sad seeing someone you care about in pain is heartbreaking.
I agree with your take on Rey's parents and I wish JJ did too. But we got the pandering episode 9...
Amen, Brother! You put into words what this 60+ YO man (who saw all of the SW's movies on first release) could not. Very well said. Thank you!
the reason you couldn't put it into words is because you're an idiot. this is consistent with you agreeing with him, because that also makes you an idiot
I saw this movie with my dad and brothers opening night 2 years ago. When the credits rolled, I literally stood up and said "well that movie fucking sucked." I spent the last 2 years ripping the movie to shreds and arguing with anyone who tried to defend it (not every waking moment lol, just when the movie came into conversation)
It wasn't until last week, when I started my Star Wars movie marathon in preparation for Episode IX, that when I finally got to this film, I began to appreciate what it was. I love this movie now, and I loved what it did for Star Wars and its characters. I'm still not a big fan of a few certain couple plot points (the casino and Holdo and what not) but overall, I think the movie was fantastic in challenging what Star Wars was, and not being afraid to go against the grain.
So, in conclusion, I'm sorry Rian Johnson. You were right all along. Can't wait for the Rise of Skywalker
Did you like the rise of Skywalker
@@ryanbarth6691 Eh, it was alright. I wasn’t a big fan of the whole Rey being Palpatines granddaughter twist. Felt kinda just thrown in there.
IMO, Rey should have been Anakin reincarnated. It would have kept the Skywalkers (Anakin in particular) at the forefront, and would tie into more the idea that the force is its own thing, and with the rise of Snoke and Kylo, the force created another chosen one to balance it
@@austenrodriguez3902 Luke and leia gave Rey the Skywalker name as a blessing
@@ryanbarth6691 yeah, but it’s not the same, idk
@@austenrodriguez3902 well I enjoyed all 9 movies despite their flaws
You have come a long way since your earlier work in this video. Mainly manifested in the tone and quality of you voice. Well done! Good points on this episode. I have gone on to like TLJ more than I originally did; especially in light of where episode IX went.
Absolutely LOVED this movie from the first viewing and still LOVE it today. I don't care what haters say - the saga needed this fresh approach to story telling in the Star Wars universe. I could care less what haters say - I'll love it no matter what. This movie did everything it needed to do in order to strip away the old tropes that were so common it was nauseating. I think this is one of the best stories in the Star Wars universe. Don't @ me!
The thing people are angry about is that there taking away the old lore before they buy the companies and making to many joke like why like tossed away his father light saber or when he saw good in Vader whoa kill million but has one bad dream about kylo and wants to kill him now
blue x remember that Luke fought with Vader first, went far enough to cut off his hand before he put down his saber. He wanted to kill Vader, then saw he was making a mistake. So him wanting to kill Kylo and then seeing he was making a mistake is absolutely in character.
@@kentmartin9289 Vader was directly threathening Luke in a life or death battle. Kylo was a sleeping kid. That's not a "in character" mistake.
@Rep Ninja that doesn't really change the overall situation. Luke let his anger get the better of himself in a life or death situation vs considering murdering a kid, his own nephew at that.
@Rep Ninja what's the point of making the statement if it doesn't change the argument?
"I was wrong."
- Luke, The Rise of Skywalker
This video essay was fantastic! I'd really love to hear your thoughts on Rise of Skywalker, since it pretty much did a complete 180
Shonksu why do I sense we have picked up *another* pathetic life form?
We’re not wrong, we just have our own opinions. I’m glad for you that you enjoyed this movie! That’s your opinion and I love that you’re bold and brave enough to come onto the internet and say all this, I applaud you.
I appreciate your opinions that you put forth in this video.
Interestingly, toward the end of this video, you challenged people who didn't like it the first time they saw it to watch it again and again and they'll grow to love it. The thing I find most interesting about that comment is that I actually liked it when I left the theater (with my 6 year old son who loved it). I have since watched it a number of more times and, as i watch it more, I have grown to like it less and less. I had no "Snoke Theories" or "Rey's parents Theories" of my own and didn't really care about the ones that were put forth on numerous internet sites. I watch Star Wars movies for the enjoyment and for a story to be told in a way that evokes emotion in me.
Unfortunately, in this episode, there were just too many eye-rolling moments (Mary Poppins Leia) and scenes that make me scratch my head (Why does, all of the sudden Rey feel compelled to "save" Kylo Ren, and yes, it's all of the sudden in the timeline of the movie) to make me think that Rian Johnson is trying to "Let the past die." so he can jump start a franchise that was already one of the biggest in the world. Stories can be told by good storytellers that include previous heroes and that introduce new characters in a way that makes us love the new heroes as much, or more than the old characters (ah la Ahsoka Tano).
Rian Johnson's mark on the SW universe missed the mark for most, which is why there's such a huge backlash for this movie. It's not because he "let past die", but because he paid no attention, or respect, to it.
@@AndrewMurley
There's really only about 5 mins of those sjw scenes
I feel like Rey trying to save Kylo was partially because of her teachings with Luke, about her bringing up that he brought Vader back from the Dark Side and such in the midst of his lessons. This is in keeping with Reys wish to be special, though she turns out to be nothing more than what she was....a junk dealer who had the potential to be a hero and a Jedi.
The mental link between the two and her visions, expecting him to turn good may also have convinced her that she could change him(along with his understanding after her visit to the Force...cave? Underwater pit? You know the one I mean).
The only backlash comes from a deep core of SW fans but most people and critics loved the film and it was critically acclaimed for a reason. Unfortunately those hateful starwars fans are the ones spreading the flames most, people who liked the film have little reason to bitch or make themselves known. The haters are the one heard around the world.
@@fallen4life080 critis didnt like the shining and its one of the best thriller of all times..trully one of a kind,noone should give a shit what they think.i believe objectivly speaking tlj its 2,5/5 movie for a teen audience.but much of the audience arent teens .the optical side is a downgrade from tfa not because of special effects but from the tecnical standpoind jj abrams is just more talented and the picture in sw7 is superb .and the last more important part is that apart from kylo noone get meaningful development.the story in most sw was average but this was never the point .the other aspects of the movie made it work.this times there are no other aspects.no meanings, no world build up,no developent,no sense of purpose ,a mary sue protagonist etc.it would be fine if it was a marvel movie .if they want to make something different thats not tied to the previus why not filming a different era or a new ip?
Rey plays with a lightsaber for 10 seconds
Becomes invincible
I really loved THE LAST JEDI. I was actually surprised at the negative reviews! 🙀
Same! I thought it was the best Star Wars since The Empire Strikes Back. Then I saw all the hate and I was like, WTF??
@@forklift1712 same with the Rise of Skywalker
@Rómulo Figueroa very funny. You didn't love The last jedi maybe, but you can't hate this. You haven't even seen the movie. You're just a stupid hater
@@rareschorban936 no he's being honest
@@forklift1712 anothrt hater who hasn't seen the movie. I'm not sure we watched the same movie...
Finally someone agrees with me that this movie was good in my opinion
You are not alone... Rian Johnson had the balls to try and give Star Wars finally a new fresh direction. But that plague known as "hardcore Star Wars fans" went apeshit, then they brought back JJ Abrams who created episode 9 after reading twitter, youtube and reddit comments coming from those SW morons... and we ended up with something really poor. I swear the best thing that can happen to star wars is for that hardcore fanbase to go extinct. Time and again they claim they will abandon ship and every premiere there they are with their lightsabers only to go ahead and bitch endlessly. Seriously abandon the ship guys.
Endermaster2006 it I ain’t good if u said finally some agrees that something is good that means it was hard to find someone that actually likes this bad movie that ain’t good it’s bad and the new one is worse
@@jacoin3458 Reading your comment made my iq sink
@elwingy we found Rians burner account. The Last Jedi was a disaster. Rise of Skywalker was bleh but it at least was enjoyable to watch. TLJ was terrible and uninteresting to watch.
Of course after I make a comment haters ruin my opinion.
I knew I was going to like this video in the first 58 seconds. You are spot on. YT has constantly bombarded me with suggestions for videos tearing all new Star Wars movies down, and I have refused to watch them, so I specifically searched for a video like this. Thank you.
whydoineedaname11 You should stay open minded and watch videos on both sides. The movie however is abysmal.
Luke is my hero, but I could never put into words how, this video explained it perfectly. Thank you 😊
When I walked out of the theatre I was conflicted cause I wanted to like it but I just didn’t, I liked some parts but there are more things I just didn’t like
Crisp Man years after it came out even I’m still unsure of what to really say, it was Good but also had some bad moments to some extent, and overall felt like one of the more Balanced Star Wars movies.
What really dragged it down a peg from being one of my favorites was the Comedy, Admiral Holdo, and the Ship chase, Cause in all honesty when compared to Empire Strikes back the Millenium Falcon space chase was fast paced, intense with an iconic score, and the Last Jedi’s chase in general just felt slower.
It can be described has a bad good movie has in a good movie with bad things in it
Gabriel Mutombo yeah I’d hardly call The Last Jedi one of the worst movies ever, even if it did a lot of things wrong, it did things right too.
And Keep in mind most of the Fans calling it the worst movie ever are the same Fans who called Return of the Jedi and the Prequels the worst movies ever, so their thoughts aren’t really something to take note of.
Especially when they throw around bold claims like “Star Wars is Dead,” or how much it ruined their childhoods. Those remarks just seem over exaggerated at this point in time.
Then you have Channels that dedicate themselves to trashing Disney with everything they do, which is not really the best way to go about it, instead of spreading hate for something their needs to be a fair amount of praise as well, but with those channels it just feels like they look more on the Negative side than Positive, but that’s just my opinion.
@@Fi_Sci_ I agree with you 100% when I watched it on Netflix I didn't hate it or thought that it ruined star wars
Gabriel Mutombo Thanks, it’s only until years after it’s release that I gave it a chance again, and it wasn’t as bad as I remembered, not Great, but not the Worst. If we are talking worst Star Wars that goes to the Holiday Special 😂
Nice to hear someone who understands storytelling and charcter structure speak about the film, thank you.
Best star wars channel around....love your videos. I was there in '77 as a 5 year old....and have been there ever since...i thoroughly endorse your message ;)
Obi Wan and Yoda didn’t “give up”. They waited, watched and guarded until the time was right.
yoda gave up he almost refused to train luke. Yoda literally said failed i have into exile i must go your so dumb
@@hilaryswan8866 Yoda only faltered on training Luke because he was performing a secret test of character. He needed to know that the man he was training was going to be committed and not prone to anger; Luke failed those tests, causing Yoda to waver on the offer.
@@KalibreSteelblast yoda fail stoping Palpatine and he didn’t want to train Luke, he wanted to train Leia so he also failed as the other mate said
When I walked in the theatre to watch Star Wars Episode 8, The Last Jedi for the first time, I thought it would be my last Star Wars movie. I felt bitter The Force Awakens played the saga too safe and was nostalgia filled leaving no room for original storytelling. Let alone I felt betrayed by Disney making every prior Star Wars book, game and comic non-canon and labeled them as "legends". That being said my first viewing of The Last Jedi was a meta experience. Luke was upset with the Jedi order just as I was with Disney. Then when Yoda confronted Luke it was a beautiful way of Yoda telling me to let go of the Legends. George Lucas himself never considered the books, comics and games as canon to his films in the first place. However, every Star Wars book, comic, movie, television show and streamed show on Disney+ related to Star Wars they create is and will be created canonical. And when Luke turned around from his anger towards the Jedi and learning from his mistakes, I too also turned around my hatred towards Disney into a deep appreciation and love for them. I felt welcomed back to the franchise and wanted to share with the fandom my love for The Last Jedi. When I expected support and similar feelings, I was treated with hostile negativity from the fans of Star Wars from the Social Media. I was private messaged and messaged publicly in Star Wars groups to "kill myself" for loving The Last Jedi or that I was stupid for my own subjective opinion. It turns out I wasn't the only one. The whole production team of Star Wars was bombarded with emotional, sexual and verbal abuse online for being involved in making the movie. This was from a number of "fans" online and in some cases they were aggressive to others in person regarding those involved and who enjoyed the film. I respect others for their subjective opinion in whether they loved or hated or felt in between regarding anything from the entertainment industry. However, I do not agree with the subjective opinion to exhibit hate on people directly for what they love. Needless to say, no matter how hostile people are for my opinion, Star Wars Episode 8, The Last Jedi is my third favorite Star Wars film of all time.
I enjoyed it, but I wonder if my experience would've been different if I hadn't heard spoilers before seeing it.
@@LedBeatle-vz4ui indeed
@Shonksu why acknowledge something I don't agree with?
Joe Balaich because nothing’s perfect
@@thatoneguymatt987 try convincing people that regarding the original trilogy.
While watching this video I got the idea you were talking about the episode 8 I was hoping for, before I went to go see it.
I left the theater extremely disappointed and I think this is indeed because of expectations but that doesn't change the fact that I was disappointed. The three trailers for the movie were without a doubt the best trailers I had ever seen and all the epic moments teased in the trailer were, at least to me, extremely underwhelming in the movie. They were either turned into a joke (Rey meets Luke), or were simply weird and laughable (Kylo blows up Leia only for her to fly back through space).
I was excited to see why Luke was on the island and what he was up to only to find he was there to die. I was excited to see what Snoke would be up to only to see he died. I was excited to see how general Hux commands the first order to hunt down the rebellion only to see him turned into a joke as well. I hear many people saying the choices were subverting our expectations and sure, they did, but mainly because I was expecting something better.
I can, however, see why someone would like this movie, but these are 'flaws' I can't look past. So if you enjoyed it: great! I wish I did too. I can't be excited for Episode 9 anymore because there's nothing left for me to be excited about. I don't care about Rey or any of the new characters and the old characters are mostly gone.
The Mandalorian was epic though :)
So you were disappointed because you thought this movie would be a nostalgia fest and it did something different? Lol
Robin Brewer I did love the movie, in fact is one of my top three favourite Star Wars movies. Nonetheless I respect your opinion, you mentioned the reasons you didn’t like the movie and it’s understandable. You also were very civil about it and in no way you insulted anyone else’s opinions. It’s rare to see that nowadays from our fan base. I hope ROS is great!!
PD. The Mandalorian indeed is epic!!
Instantaneous Sanic you forgot the /s
@@claesboillot5138 This isn't reddit kid.
@@supermysticsonic2 o lol you were being unironic
i'm 53 years old. i was at the theater in 1977 watching star wars. by me star wars can do no wrong. great take. subbed but then i'm a real fan....
You, my friend, truely understand the meaning and impact the writing of this film had!
Thank you for giving this film the credit it deserves!
A masterpiece utterly misinterpreted by moviegoers stuck in the past!
@Kamil S "Go fuck yourself"... that is how you comment nowadays on peoples oppinions, right? Well, yes they destroyed the death star a second time. Because it is supposed to be a reminiscience to the first movies. And why on earth shouldn't the universe evolve and the "new order" build an even bigger thing than the last time? What could possibly be the reason for them not to? Stupidity? Speaking of the "new order". As the old movies had nazis as a model, these are models of the neo-nazis and where they come from and what their goals are(copying and going OTT with the past).
So no, only because you don't get what the storyline wants you to tell, doesn't mean it is a bad movie.
And really? Now you glorify the episodes I to III? I vividly remember everybody hating the childish movies and now they are the greatest? What?
lol
@Tarik Rashada Thank you for politely NOT tell me to "go fuck yourself"! ;-)
Well, I was indeed refering to episode 7, when I was talking about the reminiscience.
I kind of see your point here, but it honestly didn't bothered me that much.
Overall I enjoyed the movies. All, except phantom menace. THAT was a trash movie! ;-) So yeah, I really don't get the hate. Maybe it is this way because its disney and not Lukas himself anymore, I don't know.
Look man, I like Luke's arc...BUT ALL THAT ROSE AND HOLDO STUFF IS AWFUL!! C'mon! Terrible writing! A masterpiece? You must be drunk.
@@edwardelric603 Well, this must be the case then.
thanks for this, this is so beautifully stated, and I agree with every point you made. people's issue with the last jedi is more of a personal identity issue than a genuine objective outlook on the movie
aerosurferlv really? That seems a sweeping, blanket generalization. Eek. Lol. Johnson literally stole the setup and execution of scenes from other, better movies, yet, Johnson wanted to subvert our expectations with something we've never seen before. Lmfao. Oh lord, the hypocrisy! Lol. Johnson literally stole the entire hologram ending scene from John Carpenters' Escape movies almost shot for shot! And they stole so much more. Wow. Hollyweird is being canceled...didnt you know?
I liked TLJ fine but it does have objective leaps in logic and lacks explanations for in-movie rules. There's just a general lack of world-building and thought put into it. I guess how much you manage to like it depends on your ability and willingness to fill in the blanks. I completely understand why people don't like it. I managed to and I'm grateful for it but the "subversion" wasn't handled very elegantly. We could have done with more world building and less "deus ex machina".
you're not intelligent xD
@Kevin Cobb yeah but they make sense in the universe, they aren't just forced in last minute because everyone forgot
You have no idea why people are mad. This movie is objectively bad storytelling. And there are freakin THESIS' ou there to prove it. Enjoy it if you want, but dont tell people its a personal issue. Its a writing issue.
I didnt like this movie at first... Mostly because i work backshift and went to see it 10 hours after my shift with no sleep, so i kept falling asleep in the theatre, and i missed a lot of it so i kinda just got mad and didnt bother to see it again. A few days ago i finally did get to sit down and watch it again fully, and i 100 percent agree with this video. I love the movie.
LitGitness this is one of those odd films that get better the more you watch it. It looks pretty crappy on the surface, but underneath it’s very interesting.
Hail Satan I agree :)
Yeah, Rian's style takes patience. I'm noticing all these connections to the preqs especially Phantom Menace.
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Even the way Snoke is killed - midsection IS LIKE Darth Maul. LOL. Amazing.
@@darkthorpocomicknight7891 Why should a Star Wars film require patience ?
@@callumwebb4927 LOL Why should it not?
I wouldn't even consider watching a video with this title, BUT, your videos are so good that I trust you. Cheesy but true
Finally someone that gets it besides me. Thank you for this video. I agreed with all of it. Keep up the good work. And May the force be with you!!
You too and happy new year!!
Let the past die!!! Lets take The Force right out of STAR WARS!!! Woah!!! That would be cool!!! Oh wait then it's not STAR WARS!!! TLJ is horrible and deplorable. I felt like I was sitting through the house of horrors. Abrams said that SNOKE got to Ben Solo and seduced him in TFA, which means Luke feeling guilty and going into exile is meaningless. So I hate to say this, but you're not getting it. Changing something for the sake of change isn't the way to go. They made Luke into a wimp and a quitter. Han solo into a dead beat dad and a quitter.
no you both are just striving to justify this dumb shit
This is the reason why I actually liked TLJ
It’s a dumb reason
Attiii Arghon Our comments are probably going to get deleted. I’ve not seen any critical comments being tolerated by this channel. He only wants those few who agree with his conclusions. He is wrong in his evidence based analysis. Yoda never burnt the ancient Jedi texts. We see them in a drawer on the Millennium Falcon when Finn opens it to get a blanket for Rose. Luke is never witnessed vanishing after his confrontation with Kylo, as they are too busy looking at Rey lift rocks. How does Luke’s legend build and inspire the galaxy? Well, you better hope that Kylo doesn’t execute all those on his side who saw him be made a fool of by his former Master, and that these First Order personnel get shore leave on Cantonica, so that the stable hands can somehow overhear their “stories”. No, this is a bloated chain of contrivances in which I identified 283 faults in my 53 hour analysis. That works out on average as more than two faults per minute. Many of these aren’t subjective takes. We have Holdo talk to Poe and her lips do not synchronise with her speech. That is an unquestionable fault. Subjectivity doesn’t enter into it.
@@Lipton3373 its not a dumb reason tho
@@____uncompetative you re wrong in EVERY SINGLE THING YOU TYPED
Yes
Subbed!
I too loved Star Wars, the Last Jedi, for everything you said, and even more.
Thank you so much for this video. I’ll never understand why so many so called ‘fans’ hate on TLJ. It’s literally a good movie and Rian Johnson did a good job here. I’m just glad I didn’t read too much Reddit or watch too much Mike Zeroh before the film came out. Unlike most of this fanbase.
The Last Jedi is a great movie!!! It is unique in its own way and Ryan did what he wanted which is great! I loved Luke’s death as he ended where he began looking towards the horizon. Change is inevitable, even Luke the most powerful Jedi in canon can abandon the Jedi and possibly have some dark side in him.
I liked it
Watch the originals and maybe you would see why its stuiped Luke would cut himself off from the force and think about how stuiped it is the most powerful jedi or force user ever died using the force and obi wan had all his friends die his master die his apprentice try and kill him and then turn into a sith and he still trained Luke Luke didint kill darth vader he tried to turn him to the light why would he try and kill his nephew who in the rise of skywalker turned to the light Luke must have knowen that
@@MuhammadAli-tj8no Luke's arc is subjective, that's what star wars fanboys don't understand
Both sides have good points
But of course you haven't heard of an opinion
@@Whateveridksomething what do you mean lukes arc is subjective i might even have believed that Luke would do that if there was actually a good reason but no the sequels didint want that and everyone can have a opinion but when almost everyone who likes Star Wars including Mark Hamil doesn't agree with lukes story arch in the sequels you have to face the facts it make no sense and is stupid so even though there can be opinions there can also be facts and that lukes story arch makes no sense is a fact oh and also Luke was the son of the chosen one and he had been able to live with out losing both arms and legs so he should not have died by using the force
Yup. 100% agree. And it's the difference between fan fiction and quality storytelling
So if id swing at a rock few times with a sword I could defeat 7 fully trained knights at the same time? Thanks for the tip!
You intentionaly omit the point where Rey has had to fight for survival her entire life on jakku. Equating to about 15 years of melee combat experience. Those skills are extrapolateable to lightsaber combat with some adjustments. Adjustments that are clearly displayed in the movie she is trying to get to terms with in the final duel on TFA and during TLJ. She barely manages to hold her own and it is obviously shown that she is skilled at using her staff/ close combat.
meanwhile Luke was a moisture farmer all his life, never used or heard of the force, manages on the first day to deflect 3 blaster bolts blindfolded, pull the lightsaber to him on hoth with 0 training and and after practising 1 week on dagobah with yoda (non of it visually lightsaber training) holds his own and suprises Vader in cloud city for a time.
perspective and comparison is a valueable lifeskill
In the case of TLJ, it's worse than any readable fanfic I've seen.
@@JohnSmith-xi7xo jaja blah blah
feel free to not watch any further star wars movies. Have fun with the original trilogy nub
@@katraconnor8451 Exactly what makes you think I bought any tickets to Solo? I have lost hope in them at this point. If there is a remake (or a new one gets REALLY good reception), maybe I'll watch it, but only after hearing from everyone else exactly how good it is.
As for the original trilogy, it was maybe fun the first few rewatches, but that was when I was a kid, and some elements are a bit silly. At least in that case, it was a result of the times. Now, good films without this bullshit in TLJ and, to a limited extent, in TFA exist. They are consistent, enjoyable, rewatchable, and lack the worst things about modern times, like politization, overdone excuses that insult others, or subverted expectations.
Great video. And you're right about TLJ. It will be seen as one of the great Star Wars films once all the fanboi noise has died down.
@Jason Millar just like the prequels?
When the new fan come. They can see 9 episodes as a whole. Just like current fan consider 6 episodes. Before that the old fan even hate I II & III. Give it time I guess.
Themes are cool and all but it’s the execution of those themes that’s important
Well... I studied filmmaking. I liked the movie but is far for being perfect. I can see all the mistakes and wasted potential this movie has.... so fans (like me) are not wrong in many of their arguments.
Oscar there were mistakes. I mean, I don't mind that Leia used Force powers, but it looked weird, they could have done it better. And that Animal cruelty PSA was a bit too conspicuous. However, you have to admit, Disney is laying the foundation for a huge, and surprising, plot.
Tell em Oscar👍
None of the star wars films are “perfect”
Oscar yup cause all SW films are perfect. Get your head out your ass. Dont need to justify yourself to strangers.
@@aliquidgaming1068 He never said they're all perfect, dumbass.
I walked out of the cinema loving the movie I think it’s just that people are more so concerned about looking for the bad things then watching the movie and enjoying it
The movie is riddled with plot holes and inconsistenties. People arent looking for the bad they're pointing out the bad.
I didn't want to find bad and I wasn't looking for it, I loved the force awakens rouge one and enjoyed solo for what it was,I feel like it had the makings of a good movie it just wasn't executed well it seemed far more concerned with subverting expectations then making a good movie,
@@Fujisaur I love that this is the only argument people seem to have when arguing that the movie is actually good. "You're just trying to be a hater! You just love to hate things!"
@@wes_rj225 the only argument? I mean yes maybe one of them but the ONLY? I would like you to link you this -> th-cam.com/video/VbHUJEH-ERI/w-d-xo.html ...So you're statement is false.
No, the bad things like plot holes, pacing & tone issues, bad editing, illogical & inconsistent characters, lack of pay-off for previous story lines, bad and misplaced humor, lack of world building etc., etc., make it impossible to enjoy the film.
TFA: “It’s unoriginal.”
TLJ: “It’s too original!”
Yes..... but actually no
I‘m noticing how most people who loved The Last Jedi put a lot more production value into their videos than the ones that despised it. Nice work!
There are actually far more in depth and professional break downs from the haters. The problem is there are SO MUCH MORE OF THEM LOL
After watching Episode VII I was bored.
I should say, that I am essentially a new Star Wars Fan.
As a youngling I would watch Episode I and Episode III very rarely, but all I really cared about or understood were the lightsaber fights.
After Disney+ I've gone about watching them ALL.
The prequels were heart wrenching tragedies.
The Original Trilogy was an inspiring, uplifting rise from those depths.
And after watching them, I wanted to see more.
How would they rebuild the galaxy?
Now that things are back in balance, what's the plan to keep it there?
Who's going to lead them?
I went in to VII not knowing what to expect, I had heard negative things, but it's hard to trust the opinion of such a dedicated fanbase😅
It was boring. It was A New Hope, Again. I had just watched this yesterday. What is this, I thought.
To be sure the new cast themselves were interesting.
Finn and Rey and Poe and of course BB-8, great and cool characters. But they were being forced to walk down the exact same path again.
The Last Jedi fixed that, it mixed things up, I didn't know what was going to happen, for all I knew Rey was going to the Dark Side, Finn was going to awaken force wise, maybe LUKE was about to Super Sayai-- Well in the end it told a story I thought made complete sense for Luke. He was a boy, from nowhere from his perspective, suddenly flung into this thing he wasn't prepared for.
Rashly and improperly trained, he only barely had enough power to take on the evil before him, and in the end he failed to do it.
Darth Vader took the Kill, he won the day, and the prophecy was fulfilled.
He had to lay there and watch it get taken away from him.
Even so when the dust was settled he was praised endlessly for something he did not truly do. A battle he did not win and a legend beyond his ability was formed.
Crushed under this weight and as he said himself in his hubris, he felt certain he could be the Jedi Master and lead a new generation.
He couldn't, he didn't, he failed. Unlike a true master as soon as things went wrong, he was struck with fear. He attempted to cull his own creation. He realized his error, but that fear had been permitted in his padawan and so he retaliated and his fear led him down the wrong path. Ben's anger was set ablaze and he went in the worst possible direction.
Broken, finally forced to see he was indeed still the farm boy, who lucked out, and only succeeded because the heart he saw and forced out of his father prevailed.
None of this is to say Luke isn't a hero, or that he did not do much to save the day. And as I just said, if he hadn't done it and refused to fight his father, Vader would not have turned.
But I think, that just as his legend grew beyond him in the galaxy far far away; so too did the admiration here, in our world grow beyond who he truly was.
A good character, and a strong one, but not beyond dying a sacrificial death, not beyond failure, not without fault.
In that moment in the climax, the wall the resistance had hope in came down. It was destroyed.
To me, in that moment where Luke made himself appear to be there, he stood there as that unbreakable wall. Even not truly being there, he had the power to bring the enemy to a complete standstill.
He commanded that fight, with just the thought of his presence. He pulled off a feat thought impossible, no it was impossible.
From "the most unfindable place in the galaxy" he found his way in his mind, to that hidden and unknown rebel base. And he, in that moment became the legend proclaimed. Then, only after failure, he came to his greatest strength, his greatest success, that he and he alone accomplished.
I wanted something new after watching 1-6, I found more of the same in VII, and where everyone said there was trash, there was treasure in VIII.
I wasn't so sure about seeing Episode IX, but now thanks to The Last Jedi there is something to look towards in it. I actually see a purpose in yet another trilogy as they claim they seek to do. And I now see that they had to tread that same ground and then promptly break it, in order to reveal the world beneath it.
I agree.. Great movie! As for the fanboys who still can't get over it.. Just remember one thing.. It's not about you.. It has never been about you..
The last jedi was new and different. People need to stop hating it because it's not the original trilogy or TFA and because questions aren't answered (they CAN BE ANSWERED IN EPISODE 9!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) Star wars is just taking a change its like Harry potter and fantastic beasts okay Rose isn't the best character.........or anywhere need it but there was some meaning to her I don't think they will dive to much deeper into her character (I hope not🙄🙄) but Star Wars TLJ is RIGHT (u don't need to think it's good but its RIGHT!)
Progress is impossible without change,
and those who cannot change there minds
cannot ever be happy
"It's good because is new and different" is honestly the dumbest defence for TLJ. The prequels are new and different, does that make them good? The Holiday Special is different, does it make it good?
And what did TLJ did to progress the franchise? It really sets up Episode IX to be almost the same story as Return of the Jedi. It will be about the final battle between the First Order and the Resistance while Rey brings the Jedi Order back just like Luke did 30 years ago whit also the potential of a redemption for Kylo Ren. So tell me, how did it progress the franchise?
Look man, I like Luke's arc...BUT ALL THAT ROSE AND HOLDO STUFF IS AWFUL!! C'mon! Terrible writing!
Well put! Excellent points! I'm more and more inclined to regard TLJ as the best SW film post-TOS!
I think the Last Jedi is a movie that will age really well, because of what it attempts to do.
I think it's gonna happen like it happened to the prequels.
Before the TLJ everybody hated the prequels. But now they are seen in a positive way. In fact, the prequels are actually good and we are seeing it now.
I think this phenomenon will happen again in 10-20 years.
If in 20 years "Yo mama" jokes, plot-threads that lead nowhere and green milk go back in style, then probably. Otherwise I doubt it.
I agree. Actually I think that The Last Jedi will age best of the new trilogy; The Force Awakens relies too much on nostalgia, which probably won't hold over time, and The Rise of Skywalker is just bad filmmaking wise, compared to the previous two.
I'd like to think that, and I hope it to be the case, but let's be real as long as people like Nerdrotic are alive they will continue to shit on something they won't ever like anyway and put down people who actually like the film. Seriously that last one isn't a joke, I've stated my love for this new trilogy in comment sections and have been called mentally challenged because of that
personally I loved it, it was sooo different than anything we had seen before. it took all my preconceived notions and ripped them apart and did it brilliantly, nothing better than snokes death
My thoughts exactly! You've managed to hit every point I bring up to my friends who debate on TLJ. It wasn't the movie we wanted, but the movie we needed and deserved. Star Wars UPFs needed their comforting ground shaken as we have all gotten fat and lazy on the fan service of previous films and shows. You all want background stories for Snoke or Maz or anyone else. Just be patient. There are new books, comics, shows and video games that will include those stories. However these movies need to go forward without looking back to offer fan service. Luke was what he should have been just as Snoke was. Stepping stones for Rey and Kylo to overcome and rise up to their full potential. They needed to shake off the shackles of their predecessors. Rian Johnson was not afraid to kill the stereotypes with this film and its exactly what we needed to happen to move forward.
I feel like your being sarcastic.
*Let the past die. Kill it if you have to.*
I got chills the first time I heard it. Knew then that that was Rian Johnson directly addressing us the viewers.
You're absolutely right. The decision to go to the polar immediately after the fan service in TFA was deliberate - it's so obvious now in hindsight.
Well done on a great essay!
I like the structure of your video, but I unfortunately have to disagree on the fundament of your arguments to defend the new vision of LucasArts. Your whole premise revolves around that the franchise is being “revitalised” and fans need to be “welcomed back”. This is false. Between the prequels and TFA there have been a slew of Star Wars stories told via multiple media-forms, aimed both at hard-core fans (Shatter Point, Darth Plagueis, the Old Republic etc.) and casual/young fans (Dave Filloni’s CW and Rebels, Lego Star Wars). These stories told were/are consistent with the already established universe, yet still very creative and original. They show that a wasteful act of “letting go of the past and killing it if you must” is not necessary. In fact, they manage to give meaning to an era-overarching story, tell their own self-contained stories and help in building the fantastical galaxy further (the key reasons for Star Wars’ existence).
The whole point of George Lucas selling the franchise was that he was expected to spearhead of the major Star Wars stories (i.e. the movies), yet his further leadership in that department was no longer wanted. What we get now is that the new leadership of LucasArts is purposefully destroying the meaning and significance of established stories, to tell basically the same story all over again (Force Awakens, the story the Last Jedi is now setting up).
Personally, I think you are missing the point of the criticism the majority of the people are making here. Just because something is “bold”, doesn’t mean it is good. The main criticism revolves around the movie being wasteful with regard to previous universe-building and story-building and justified confusion about the story the movie itself is trying to tell. You on the other hand portray them here as overly nostalgic fanboys…
serjorah mormont I couldn't agree with you more. I am a huge legends fan but I still enjoyed this movie. That being said Everytime I hear people defend this movie it is at the expense of the fans. They erect a straw man and assume that all SW fans want the same story over and over, only dealing with the Skywalkers and Solo's ad infinitum, casually brushing aside the decades of content and development of in universe factions and people who were just as important, powerful and more importantly nuanced.
By pretending that fans only would be receptive to "fan fiction" and "fan service" they are disregarding the communities of people who have dared delve into the lore and helped drive a diverse narrative that includes several views of the force, moral ambiguity, outside perspectives on force users and popular conflicts, and a history that lent credence to the lived in world feeling of the saga.
Isaiah Smith You know what? I loved TLJ but I agree. I like that they're moving forward but that doesn't mean they should completely disregard what came before it. I hope they keep some of what made the old films good in the next movie but otherwise the forward progress of the Last Jedi was something that I truly appreciated
"These stories told were/are consistent with the already established universe, yet still very creative and original."
Except these stories are told within contained time periods. For example, Rebels ends by time we reach Episode 4. It cannot continue to create original stories beyond that. Same thing with the novels you referenced. All based on old content. Like the video mentioned, you can't move forward with a franchise, without creating new content, and if you rely on the old formulas and tropes to give life to tv shows and novels, it will only take Star Wars so far. You're looking at Star Wars through the lens of a few years, while Disney is trying to build for the next decade.
Also, " Just because something is “bold”, doesn’t mean it is good. " can be used to say that just because something is "different", doesn't mean it is bad.
Exactly, wtf is so "bold" about doing a story we've already seen?
Brilliant analysis
My brain: You've already seen too much positive essays about this film.
My heart: Do it!
My favorite Star Wars.
I love then!
Not only the fight scenes! But the twists and the character too!
It’s an amazing film and and amazing way to evolve the saga
Are you braindead?
Amazing. Every word of what you just said was right.
Yes. Everything you said x 100. TLJ is not a perfect movie, but it's EXACTLY the movie we needed, and I adore it. Don't lose heart Rian!
Cayman Shen it wasn't, it was just a movie full of plot holes and SJWs
Last Jedi: the movie we deserved and didn’t think we would need
I have to find these positive videos on occasion to remind me it isn't all whiney babies who call themselves Star Wars fans but put down anybody who loves a Star Wars movies.
Even though I do disagree with you I do respect your opnion and this video seem very thoughtful and very well edited
First time I've heard something like that on the internet
@@bjorn9595 you are right kind words are very hard to find on the internet these days
It's so nice to see respectful disagreears like you.
@@kylemorello4787 I just don't want to seem like one of those haters who just hate it to hate it, I really don't like this movie at all but do u see me yelling about it
@@dapoox2622 I'm so glad to hear it! You just enjoy the Star Wars you like, and I'll enjoy the one I like. I'm sure, aside from our disagreements with TLJ, they're not that different.
I agree! I really loved TLJ. It still had nostalgic elements that were pulled from the original trilogy... it had the battle with the walkers, it had the young over confident character leaving without completing their Jedi training to go and help their friends. But there is a point where this trilogy would have had to have legacy characters die and the new characters rise and take over. There is still time to find out more about Snoke & Rey's backstory in other films, books or other forms of cannon. What was done with Snoke's story was exactly what happened with the Emperor the first time he showed up. We first saw him in ESB as only a hologram, we saw more of him in ROTJ where he He dies at the hands of his apprentice. We didn't find out more about the Emperors back story in film form until the prequel trilogy came out & we found out more about him in books.
Really this was a smart move by Disney & Lucasfilm. It leaves room for a stand alone film about the backstory of Snoke or Rey.
You can’t just resurrect the evil empire that was just destroyed without an explanation as to who did it.
The comment section is proof that star wars nerds don’t understand the very thing they’re obsessed with. Crazy how you can be that emotional about it and yet fail to comprehend it entirely.
"Suck it up"?
I don't think the origins of Snoke were the most important thing to address with this movie; the movie was meant to be about development of the protagonist (s). But yes, the origin of the most powerful force user in the Galaxy, the person who turned the tables from the New Republic to the First Order, is still INCREDIBLY important to the story. Snoke means nothing now. He was a waste of time in development. If they had left him out it would have made a better story because the conflict of the dark side within Kylo would have been his own, that of a child trying to find his own way, therefore an important part of his early development as a character. By writing off such a potentially deep character like they did, they effectively gave a giant middle finger to any of the fans who cared enough to theorize about him, who he was, where he came from, and what role he had left to play. I understand the desire to be unpredictable, but now what? Who's the real villain anymore? Kylo and Rei are at odds again, but if they leave Kylo as the villain until he dies they once again are throwing away the character with the greatest potential for development.
The thing is, no answer as to who Snoke was would actually have made him interesting
What did we know about the emperor when he died in Episode 6?
And I don’t mean from the prequels, I mean when ROTJ came out in cinema.
@@paulwalker3758 we knew he was the supreme antagonist who was finally brought to a head in the final movie of the trilogy. We were given him as the absolute evil in the galaxy which allowed us to see that Vader was not the main villain here. He was given a chance to be something better. The difference is where the death of Snoke and the death of Palpatine came in the 2 trilogies. Snoke was presented to be the new Palpatine in every way, until they said, "No, now it's Kylo."
Steven Oliver so, you’d have preferred a carbon repeat of Return of the Jedi?
TLJ gave two options: we see what could have been as a Skywalker becomes ruler of the Galaxy. Or we see a Skywalker who is ruler realising it’s not what he wanted and his ambitions had all been wrong. Instead TROS said, here, have ANOTHER Palpetine to kill in the finale.
Obi-Wan and Yoda didn't give up. They went into exile until Luke and Leia became old enough. Luke went into permanent exile and waited to die
Is that why Yoda refused to train Luke at first? Because he was waiting for him to grow up? Obi-Wan convinced him to train him, Yoda was waiting to die...
If I was like I would just you know cut the cord
@Tarik Rashada luke caused the rise of kylo ren and brough doom to the galaxy by being arrogant enough to think hat he, as impatient, untrained, flirting with the dakr side jedi would be able to flawlessly teach students.
If you would have inadvertendly placed everything you, your friends , family and the galaxy fought for in mortal danger and ruined the sacrifice of your father. you too would go to an island hoping to die.
Luke realzied that the creation of Jedi inadvertedly brings rise to new sith, so his logical conclusion,b very rightly is to let the jedi die to prevent powerful force users from being enabled to become champions of the darkside
you clearly missed the messages and symbolism of the movie.
@Tarik Rashada well, I guess the movies sees it differently and you just dont want it to be that way lol
I hope one day I come back to this video and you're right.
NOTHING CAN RUIN THE CHRISTMAS SPECIAL!!!!!!
honestly its my top 3
@Aru Gula shut up
@Aru Gula LET PEOPLE LIKE THINGS
@Aru Gula I am... I won't let you bully someone for liking something you fucking degenerate
@Aru Gula hahaha I am most definetley not a leftist. Far from it. Stop judging people for what they like.
@Aru Gula give an argument at least. I can't believe that you might be a grown man so I hope you grow out of this if your a child
I really loved THE LAST JEDI. I was actually surprised at the negative reviews because to me it was one of my favorite movies of all time. Everyone who saw THE LAST JEDI had some sort of reaction. The audience reaction and the director's reaction and the producers reaction all really correlated. No matter what response was given, the audience was always positive. I liked the film so much that I even have a copy of THE LAST JEDI in my personal collection.
One of the best things about my collection is it's packed full of my favorite movie from every time period from the "From George Lucas to James Cameron" era to the decades of our favorite writer/director's work. But the thing that really stands out to me about
it's such a shame that jj decided to do what he did... it's really awful.
Absolutely fantastic analysis
Thank you! Im so tired of all the negativity out there!
And then TRoS completely undid everything in TLJ AND the first 6 movies
Yup
Nop
@Tom Ffrench I'm personally fine with that since TFA and TLJ take place back to back so it's almost like an extended length movie
actually it even undid things in TFA
@@dodo8585 What specifically? My only ideas are up to interpretation but maybe I'm overthinking it
"Star Wars will become irrelevant if it doesn't move forward, grow and evolve"
All right, can you tell me what TLJ does in order to move the franchise forward? It really sets Episode IX to be the same as Return of the Jedi
"The Rebellion is reborn today. The war is just begining. And I will not be The Last Jedi."
Episode IX can't be the same as ROTJ. TLJ used scenes echoing ESB and ROTJ, clearing the path so that IX can be totally original. Snoke is dead, now Kylo, an emotionally unstable warrior is in charge of the first order. Rey and the resistance are without any help of the older characters and are down to 10 people.
@@supreme_leader5135 Episode IX can't be original because this trilogy started in the exact same spot the OT started and TLJ also ended basically in the same spot as TESB, the only diferences are the ones you pointed out, but with JJ Abrams writing and directing again, I hardly think we'll se anything actually fresh and original in IX.
"The Rebellion is reborn today. The war is just begining" a clear set up for the final confrontation between the Resistance and the First Order which the Resistance will obviously win, *boring!*
"And I will not be the last Jedi" so Rey will rebuild the Jedi Order just like Luke did 30 years ago *Zzzzzz*
The movie moves the franchise forward by passing the torch to a new generation. This is literally the whole point of the movie. Are you just so stupid that you didn’t see that, or are you just so blinded by your hatred that you just refuse to
@@connerr.7865 By moving the franchise forward you mean bringing back the Emperor? Doesn't matter if the new movies are about the new generation if the story and the conflict are the same as the ones from the OT.
How does TLJ "move the franchise forward" if the end result is the Empire against the Rebellion once again as well as the rise of the jedi?
Luke says so at the end of TLJ and he reinforced it now in the Episode IX teaser.
@@Diego-yl2qz you know the only reason they brought the emperor back was because of you crybaby pissants
The great thing about having no background for Snoke is that it's open for anyone to fill in any way they like... or they can just leave it be. It doesn't matter.
You know after hating it in the start, 2 years later...
It's still complete shit.
I love how Kylo Ren doesn’t question that Luke Skywalker is using Anakin’s lightsaber, the one that he and Rey tore in half.
Well, he probably didn't look exactly at the weapon the person he was trying to kill for decades was holding. Also it could've been just a different blue lightsaber. Why would he question it? Why would he care what Luke's lightsaber looks like?
Maximilian Brückner He wanted the lightsaber pretty badly too, as he tried to grab it in TFA and TLJ. It’s a recognizable weapon, and I bet he expected Luke to use his green saber.
@@professorthox4499 Well yeah it would've made more sense if they just went with the green one. But it still is possible that he didn't recognize it from a few feet away. Because when he was fighting Finn and Rey, he saw the handle up close. Here Kylo was even angrier and he didn't actually have a great chance to look at its detail. Also it's just another thing to let the audience know something isn't right.
A detail would be him making no marks on the salt. But as far as Rian Johnson is concerned, Kylo noticed the saber change. I believe he said Luke did it to enrage Kylo, so he did notice. But if this doesn’t make Kylo suspicious, then that doesn’t make for a good villain. Incompetent villains don’t pose a threat, and Kylo keeps on hampering the First Order.
That's what happens when you're full of rage.. you begin to lose focus to the point you missed one pretty obvious (could've been misled) clue to Luke's projection
I am a die-hard SW fan and loved The Last Jedi. Despite my sadness for the backlash against this movie and Lucasfilm's feeling that the franchise needs to go on hiatus, I'm at least glad that all of these toxic, entitled, aggressively hateful "fans" will be deprived of future content they don't deserve. When Star Wars comes back, I hope Lucasfilm continues to take risks and strive for creativity instead of catering to fan expectations.
What the franchise needed to survive?
This film took it down a cul de sac, dead end and buried it. Woeful and I'll never forgive those who allowed it.
Actually enjoyed TLJ at first viewing, then I heard that there was a lot of anger w/TLJ. A lot of the complaints I read against TLJ I thought were pretty accurate. Before you say I'm easily influenced by popular opinion, I never let anyone deter my love for the prequel trilogy. In my opinion ESB really explains the force and the importance of the Jedi religion which its entire purpose seems to want to prevent the user from falling to the dark side. The prequels is a lesson of what can happen if the Jedi code is not followed and why even Anakin was too old to start the training. You need to recruit the kids, probably as infants and train them on how to control your emotions. The complaints of the prequels of that there was not much fun and lacked humor misses the point that Jedi are a bunch of boring monks because of their training. So my complaint with Rey, which I too noticed right away on TFA, was her ability to use the Jedi mind trick - yes I'm going to say it - with out any training. I'm not a misogynist, Ahsoka is friggin awesome and is well trained on how not to fall to the dark side. What kind of controls was Rey given? How is she even introduced to Jedi powers? Specifically levitation and hypnosis. The burning of the Jedi text is basically the burning of thousands of years of lessons learned of how not to fall to the dark side.
They didn't actually burn the texts tho. She took them with. Iirc
"The prequels is a lesson of what can happen if the Jedi code is not followed and why even Anakin was too old to start the training."
No the prequels teaches us how flawed the jedi were. Anakin didn't turn to the dark soley because he was too old when he became a jedi and thus tend to break the jedi code. Although it probably played a part, Anakin turned to the dark because the jedi themselves became corrupted with the war, they became warriors instead of peacekeepers, which lead to their ultimate demise. Like it or not, TLJ is the only sequel movie that actually acknowledge the prequels' existence and what we learn from them.
your complaint is toward Rey in TFA, not in TLJ. It's a fair complaint although, I don't think too much of it. It's Star wars. Maybe it can be explained that using mindtricks is a simple thing to do against weaker minded life forms, and she learned it from Kylo which she also is a dyad with.
The books were not destroyed, it's shown at the end of TLJ that Rey had the books on the falcon.
@Yoda what is the point of the Jedi religion? Two extremes Qui Gon and Maul. Every Yoda quote is a warning on how to fall to the darkside. Anakin not being raised from the point of being able to forget his mother or better instill the "no attachments" was was setting him up for failure. I'm going to watch "Tales of the Jedi" because of this conversation, if Ashoka was pulled as a baby, this will support my point
@Yoda the darkside is actually then more powerful because there are no restraints. This makes the rule of 2 important because this is the check and balance for those who practice the light side. The ROtS novel discusses that before the rule of 2 the sith were wiping each other out because their personal greed was almost uncontrollable. Again the Jedi and "no attachments"
George Lucas knew exactly what he was doing. I have always been a fan of the PT. I was a fan when the Clone Wars came out. The CW Was actually the first SW movie that flopped
@@Trader_65-OT There's no doubt Anakin's attachments lead to him falling easier to the dark side as previously stated. But it's far from the only factor. The jedi were corrupted, both Dooku and Qui gon jinn saw this. The "no-attachment" rule is oppressing and will do more harm than good. The fact that the jedi take children from their families is in of it self unethical to me. It's impossible for anyone to not have attachments, see even Obi-wan had a love interest in CW. Strong attachments are even built between masters and apprentices, see Obi-wan's outrage for Maul killing Qui gon. The jedi teaches that its dangerous to have attachments, but at the same time wants them to be selfless and only think about others. I think the jedi's teahings should be focused on learning how to deal with emotions with attachments rather them restricting their freedom and their natural right to love others. I wish Filoni and Favreau would've made Luke understand this in book of boba fett, since he himself is a living example of a hero that was too old to be a jedi.
The dark side is not more powerful than the light, it's just easier and more tempting. Yoda says in Empire.
The ending is a lot like the Clint Eastwood movie Grand Torino. Luke has ascended to a higher spiritual level. He doesn’t need to fight in the conventional way anymore.
Beyond Good and Evil, my dude.
Its like the Man with No Name - even right down to low angles on their feet at the end.
Yoda: “A Jedi uses the Force for knowledge and defense, never for attack." This is what he does with Kylo
@Chan Thorpe i applaud u for remembering that, some people were mad that he wasn’t out there in person and wanted him to actually fight kylo!!!
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out of fear.
In Ep6 as Luke chopped off Vader's hand he embraced the dark side for the first time.
As he felt the darkness in Ben,
he was overwhelmed by his fear
'and fear is the way to the dark side'
so he instinctivly ignited his lightsaber.
Ben, awakening to his Master with his Lightsaber activated above him,
reacted with a single hit
and Luke blocked it.
_He didnt attack.
(As portrayed in Kylos Version of the Past)
Luke was afraid
of the Darkness in Ben
and Ben attacked him_
Atleast now this makes sense,
as Palpatine was playing Luke the whole time..
Ep9 maybe was not at all bad,
It made the Trilogy a whole again.
1. Just because something is changed, doesn't mean it's good or better.
2. Change can be good, but the change has to be realistic to the character, and along a believable arc of development
A luke that saw good in *vader* would not have done that to Ben. If he changed that drastically, you better show us in a damned good way how..
Because Luke is human. Before coming back to his senses and sparing his father, Luke was overcome by rage. The same thing happened with his fear of what Ben could become.
chamlok how is Luke human? He was a Jedi master. He ascended a spiritual plane. Know how I know? ‘Cuz he disappeared into thin air when he ‘died’ Sorry if that’s hocky dooky; but that’s part of Star Wars. Anyone with a shred of respect for what the franchise means would know that.
Luke is not human, but even Jedi can, and have failed. There is a narrative where many of the pieces of TLJ could make sense, they could have even been emotional charged, but they just didn’t, they weren’t. But it would have taken some hard work and some real oversight and collaboration. But Disney/lucasfilm pretty much said “just put this out; those morons will buy all the toys and shit”
And that’s ultimately what upsets so many of us. We aren’t morons. We grew up with this and it meant something to us. We are the reason it’s even a thing! To give us this disjointed and pathetic effort is disrespectful to all of us and all movie goers who aren’t even invested in the series.
@@ChromeTztizit When you are a jedi master you are not human anymore ? Your point doesn't make sense : i say "Luke can fail" and you answer "no, even jedi masters can fail", so what's wrong ? I'm tired of arguing with frustrated fans who think they understood star wars better than everyone else, we all saw the same movies, you are not an expert. It's a movie, not a religion, move on.
chamlok I take your point that it sounds like I’m trying to have it both ways. So I’ll clarify:
Jedi can make mistakes Jedi Masters are less prone to. Jedi Masters who defeated the greatest evil in the universe and turned a horrible monster into a repentant force ghost? Very hard to accept they simply ‘made a mistake’
As I said in the next sentence after you quoted me, Luke’s mistake doesn’t make any sense. His motivations make no sense and go completely against everything he was. If you want to make the downfall of someone as epic as Luke was, you have to do it properly. I politely think this film did it improperly.
I’m actually totally in favor of the ‘let it die’ aspect that TLJ did. I loved that Rey “came from nowhere” those are tropes that could definitely be broken. That one instance isn’t my (or many fans’) gripe.
Our issue is the total mishandling of the source material of something very broad and well known. It just feels weird, dude. It feels lazy, it feels offensive to our viewing intelligence.
As far as your dismissive “let it go, nerd boy” argument. I actually couldn’t agree with you more. I think you’re being a wee bit a cunt, but one thing this new series has crystallized for me is that childish things should be left with the children. It’s just a shame that the new generation of star wars watchers have to be subjected to this. Something that will not hold up after they hit 8th grade.
@@chamlok1787 what a crock of shit. Attempting to murder your nephew isnt just a mistake.
Thank you for this video!! Love the content you've been putting out, very happy that you see why The Last Jedi was a masterpiece. Of course, it wasn't perfect, and I do have my quarrels (such as Maz barely existing) but as you said, it's told by professional storytellers rather than fan fiction writers. The Last Jedi needed to happen to have the epic conclusion to the saga.
Thankyou for speaking some sense about the last Jedi. It was a great film as far as I'm concerned, and I'm starting to think the fanbase will never be happy with anything they get. To be honest, as much as I love star wars I'm not a big fan of the fanbase. I remember all the racist comments I read on TH-cam when John Boyega was cast in the force awakens. If those guys don't like the new films they can bugger off and good riddance. Let them stick to their terrible fan fiction
Awm Joeyjoejoe Johnson literally stole the setup and execution of scenes from other, better movies, yet, Johnson wanted to subvert our expectations with something we've never seen before. Lmfao. Oh lord, the hypocrisy! Lol. Johnson literally stole the entire hologram ending scene from John Carpenters' Escape movies! And they stole so much more. Wow. Hollyweird is being canceled...didnt you know?
The movie was fucking awful. If you think it's good that's fine but you dont have to insult the fanbase.
Awm Joeyjoejoe before you go saying that around let me say that I think I speak for most of the fan base when I say I loved the force awakens personally thought it was the best one yet, but after what they did with Luke which might I add even mark Hamill hated the last Jedi I just can’t take it anymore
Rogue one got great reviews, it had a Latino and a female lead. Yes there are racist out there, but as a Mexican myself, it was a bad film because of the bad writing not because people of color were cast.
It reassuring to me that someone is defending this movie. It is easily one of the best SW films in the entire saga and I can't wait to watch it again.
Because thats just it, ITS PART OF A GROUP OF MOVIES, and they throw so much out the window
And episode 9 is a confetti bomb of absurdity scattered over the ashes of TLJ.
C Wonderland I haven’t seen episode 9, but so far TLJ is the worst Star Wars film ever made
@@TheArbiterOfTruth I also haven't watched EP9 but I personally thinks EP8 is the best movie made by Disney.
And I like the resurrection of Star Wars under Disney.