I thought the same, I felt like he should have been the one at the end, not Rey, who had those final moments. Also I think if he had survived too that would have been amazing, even if he gave half his power to save her and she gave half hers to save him so they were equal, there's no way he should have died. I think if he killed Palpatine it would have been the perfect ending.
I think the death of Ben Solo would have gone over better if Adam Driver had been given more time and more dialogue as Ben. The fans felt cheated of Ben Solo as a character, since they only got a glimpse of it, which was enough to see that Adam Driver would have made the part distinct from Kylo Ren. They needed more Ben, in one context or another.
If maul can survive being CUT IN HALF, and Palpatine can survive being electrocuted and thrown off the death star... then WHY can't ben solo survive force healing his girlfriend
How about ....why is it that people who make the ultimate sacrifice or commit a self-less deed don't come back? And yet those who are pure evil do? 😑 Dis stank!
Killing Kylo/Ben was a cheap decision. I understand it was the end of the trilogy, but sending the message that death is redemption and not exploring atonement and owning up to your errors by living with them is just lazy
I respectfully disagree, because if that were the message then we wouldn't have Finn and his band of defected stormtroopers. You can't have redemption without some sort of sacrifice on your part, for Finn it was giving up the only life knowing he would be hunted for it, learning to stop running away way his arc over the course of Force Awakens and Last Jesi. As for characters like Darth Vader and Kylo Ren it's a bit more than that. The reason they have to sacrifice their lives is because it plays into their arcs. Anakin Skywalker as a character was so emotionally driven that he became overly controlling about himself and his loved ones even over death. That's why Vader choosing to confront himself over this flaw he's repressed for so long and directly overcoming it in order to save his son is so emotionallu resonating. Vader just force pushing Palpatine over the edge and surviving to live another day doesn't hit as hard both in a practical sense and narrative sense because 1. He would be arrested for war crimes and even executed. and 2. Him survivng doesn't completely his character arc. It's the same for Kylo Ren, conceptually Kylo Ren is meant to be an inverse of Darth Vader, where Vader started as a confident figure who was slowly broken down Kylo started as a broken figure who slowly given more confidence. That is why inevitably there will be parallels because as we all know it's like poetry it rhymes. But Ben Solo's arc isn't a copy and paste of Anakin Skywalker, Ben Solo became Kylo Ren because he was born into a situation where he would inevitably always be compared to legends and figures of the past is mentally taxing especially as a child. It's why he needed other forms of validation which Palpatine preyed on through Snoke. It's why he chose the name Kylo Ren over Ben Solo. Ky-lo literally being taken from sKYwalker and soLO he is making a statement that he is rejecting and cutting away all the baggage from his old name relating to the past and his family, Ben relating to Obi-Wan, Luke and the Jedi and Solo relating to Han, Leia and the Rebellion. The name Kylo is a direct manifestation of his "let the past die" philosophy, he is embracing that he is less of a Skywalker and a Solo and more his own man, Ren signifying that he is the master of the Knights of Ren, and the master of his own destiny. But as much as he says it he never got the validation he needed until Rey came along, someone who grew up in a situation where she was a nobody and only stayed there because she was comforted by the desire of wanting to be part of a family that would come back for her, the opposite of his situation. Rey had to learn to make her own family in spite of her background (it remains true for her being a nobody and Palpatine), which is also why she would accept him for being Ben Solo, not Kylo Ren. And in the grand scheme of things her being a Palpatine is just a way of tieing them both to the same great evil and it poetically represents the battle of generations between Anakin Skywalker and Palpatine. Anakin chose love and Palpatine chose control so in addition to Anakin's descendant in the end even his own descendant was against him. Ben Solo's arc culimnates emotionally when he recognises that him gaining internal validity doesn't just involve him controlling his own destiny and forcing it on others instead it involves letting other people care and love for you like how each member of the Original Trio died to save him in the long term and it culimnated with Leia solidifying that he's not this monster that's too far gone and the memory of Han Solo giving him the ok. Which is why for his redemption to work it demanded that he sacrifice himself, he needs to save Rey even if it means dying to show how he isn't afraid of not being in the spotlight of destiny anymore. And as a final battle of the Skywalker Saga Ben Solo did what his grandfather Anakin Skyalker couldn't originally bring himself to do, save the ones he cared about from dying. Not by cheating death but by embracing it in the name of love.
Exactly. There's a reason 'Redemption Equals Death' is a trope. Given how overused it is, it's no longer interesting storytelling, it's just lazy. Of course, JJ and co. are utterly lacking in creativity so it isn't surprising that they went for the cliche. (Don't get me wrong, JJ is a decent director, but he *should not* be writing what he directs. He's terrible at it.)
@@angrbodaironwood718 Of course not. We should send the message that no matter how many wrong things you do you can get away scott free! Give me a break. This was the only reasonable and dignified way that Ben could have gone out. For him to have gotten off scott free to set up a house and have kids with Rey is an insult to all the lives he's taken and people he's hurt. Going to prison would be humiliating. And having him traveling the galaxy like some penitent monk is out of character, that's not Kylo. He went out like a hero saving the woman he loved. And he went out in such a way that he can be brought back. Which is probably what will happen. He'll be given Revan's story and be mind wiped.
Killing Ben Solo was absolutely the stupidest decision narrative-wise and financially as well... He's the only truly remarkable character in this trilogy. They could've made him a space ronin, show his atonement, and milk that cow for another 30+ years through comics, books, animated series, movies... but nah. DLF is a dumpsterfire.
Right!!! I thought Disney would've made more money off of him by letting him live.. 😣 plus story-wise and continuiity. Everything you said I wholly agree.
I agree. If anyone should have died...it should have been Rey. Ben/Kylo Ren could have then left, grieved over Rey, and move on to next scene. Then show Ben at the END of the movie (having returned to Luke's home planet) to bury Leia/Luke's light saber's! Then the title would have made sense..."THE RISE OF SKYWALKER"! Luke's nephew would have been the family member to RISE back to LIGHT side of the force!!!! YAY! The End!
Yep but this is where you have to understand practically all of Hollywood lately is trying to push this agenda where Women are the best and on top now. Thats why they went with Rey and why it was always going to purely be about here here in these sequels. And well Disney love thier princesses.
@@judegross7624 No, it was George Lucas who was the first to come up with a Female Protagonist, in his Sequel Treatments that went through a few names. Early on his titular heroine would be called "Skylar", then he changed the name to "Thea", which is evidenced in very early concept art, when he was trying to flesh out his Sequel Trilogy story before he sold Lucasfilm to Disney. Then when Disney bought Star Wars, they threw out Lucas' treatments, Micheal Arndt was brought in as screen writer and he came took a stab at the story evolving the character into "kira", then he couldnt nail anything down which worked and left. Thats when Kennedy hired JJ. Abrams and by that point the character had gone through so many changes, Lucas' original character of Skylar/Thea was long gone. And JJ worked Arndt's "Kira" character into Rey.
Kylo Ren Sorry you can’t compare Kylo Ren to Anakin,Leia,Luke,Yoda,Palpatine,Vader,Obi-Wan,Ahsoka Tano or any other character from the original films or even prequels or Clone Wars
Kylo Ren is my favorite character, and Adam Driver is my favorite actor! He absolutely slayed this role. I hear what JJ is saying about killing Ben off, but if more thought was put into it, there are ways they could keep him alive while still not having him fully forgiven for everything he did. You should never kill off characters simply out of convenience - especially not characters as beloved as Ben Solo/Kylo Ren. I really hope they bring him back.
Though the whole cast has expressed the end of the Skywalkers storyline, maybe by some twist of fate,Lucasfilms/Disney will change their mind.Who knows? maybe we'll see Ben Solo living as a hermit because he thought he didn't deserve redemption.And that the death scene was only an illusion cast by him Luke Skywalker style.Then Rey finds out he's actually alive, and by some glorious reason, Ben Solo needs to be found because he's the last Skywalker.That in itself is a nice plot.So many possibilities.....
@@kurlykayla9013 definitely agree with u girl, there has to be a way for him to be alive somehow, he's the last living skywalker rey has to find him some way! x
I honestly don’t think they were expecting Driver to steal the show like he did. It’s like he WAS Kylo Ren. I want to see his story. The Knights of Ren, their story. I want THAT movie. I’ve read it all and I know it but on the big screen, what a movie that would be. Given that Driver has said numerous times he wouldn’t play the role again, I guess that dream is dead. Any one else playing this role wouldn’t do it for me. He seriously brings it to any role he plays. And he’s a Marine so, there’s that 🇺🇸
Imagine this: Rey dies after killing the Emperor, Ben fails to ressurrect her. So Ben Solo becoming the Last Jedi. He restores the Jedi Order once he destroyed and trains bunch of people including Finn and The Broom Boy. But first he needs to redeem himself in the eyes of the good guys. Especially to people like Finn and Poe after somewhat causing the demise of their beloved Rey. Without Leia, Rey or anyone to stood up for him. Imagine this master and apperantice dynamics between Ben and Finn. With that Ben Solo, truly Rises as Skywalker. This would have been gave the Mary Sue the Space Jesus some depth and makes Ben's redemption more meaningful. Also he would finish what his grandfather started. Redeeming himself with restoring not merely dying.
I feel like kylo was the main character of this trilogy. And I love his personality and his story arc force powers like mind probe. Stopping a blaster bolt and best of all his lightsaber
Not to mention keeping his thoughts hidden from Snoke and bringing Rey back to life -- something his grandfather was willing to sell his soul to learn.
Killing off this character was a huge mistake. Ben Solo was the best character of this trilogy, and Adam Driver portrayed him so well. They absolutely ruined his redemption arc. I miss Ben.😭😭😭😭😭😭 Also can we appreciate 0:09 ❤️❤️❤️❤️ Edit: Wow thanks for all the likes! Edit 2: 205 likes?! Damn that’s a lot! Thank y’all so much!
Killing him was a huge mistake, but the biggest mistake of them all imo is how they handled it.. He died and nobody ever mentioned him again. Rey has no sad feelings and everyone is partying. Not even a force ghost Ben.. I can’t with this movie :(
@@lc4152 I don't know maybe because he tried to murder them all and he policed every world creating a massive war where he goes to extents such as burning small villages it isn't like he's a good guy.
Kylo/Ben was the best thing in this trilogy. Ben Solo will be back, adam driver will be back as Ben Solo and I predict he will have script approval ;) I mean come on, this film outside of his performance blew balls.
I really wish they had stuck with Rian's direction for the character, as I think it made him much more interesting, and presented so many more unique for Star Wars story possibilities, as opposed to a watered down Darth Vader arc. I mean seriously his arc is damn near identical to Vader. Would have been far more interesting for him to be the primary antagonist. I also hate that they reforged the mask because him destroying the mask was the admission that even though he was desperately trying to emulate Vader, he never could be him. He was setting his own path, and destiny. This was far more compelling in a story, as wall as meta-textual sense.
Noah East yeah and JJ only brought the mask back cause they put a lot of effort into designing it??? R u kidding?? Never mind the storyline, what matters is obviously them sulking and getting their way 🤦🏻♀️
Yep, and the decision of making Rey a nobody was one of the better decisions in the sequel trilogy too. The fact they had to make Rey a Palpatine is a bit bloodline-obsessed. Can't true power come from small places? Anakin was just a boy in a desert planet when he was discovered, can't Rey just be a random girl too?
@@MilA-eh3gf I think it would have been boring in a way. I was confused at that fact but they always talked about her parents in a way that there must have been something behind it. I expected something shocking because otherwise it would have been really boring. I don't know why it must have been Palpatine because for me it made no big sense, but that she wasn't just a nobody was fine
Thanks man. I had a daughter and the channel kinda fell by the wayside, but she's 18 months old now and easier to handle, plus might as well make the most of not being able to work during this crazy pandemic :P thanks again, I really appreciate it
And that's why Kylo Ren is my favorite sequel character. He was acted so well. Adam put his heart and soul into this character much like his other roles. All of his emotions felt so real the entire time I watched the movies. Not to mention the Knights of Ren scene. I LOVED the Knights of Ren scene so much, I had a huge stupid smile the entire time.
6:12 actually in AOTC when Anakin and dooku are fighting in the dark they are using illuminated blades instead of the painted metal ones, which is why you can see the glow of red and blue on their faces
Kylo Ren will always be my favorite Star Wars character because of how layered he is! Right from the first movie we know he’s torn from the light and the dark! He’s like Claude Frollo from Hunchback with a bit more understanding for his motives. And of course Adam Driver did a FANTASTIC JOB playing the character
They had something great with Kylo at first I wanted him and Rey to be siblings or cousins but after seeing TROS and seeing them act as if they were in love I would've liked them getting together at the end and having a true Skywalker baby or babies to set up a new trilogy
I love the Kylo/Ben character. Going in to TROS I didn’t want Reylo to happen or Ben to be redeemed but the way JJ did it was beautiful. Adam deserves all the praise for this role and should get awards for it too
6:14 Everytime I see Adam like this, I truly would have welcomed a stand-alone story about Kylo Ren as long as Adam plays the character again. 10:01 Yeah I had heard that Kylo Ren was supposed to get a droid in the early stages of TROS, but..... 13:58 Was it really JJ's decision to kill off Ben or Kennedy's ....such a mess. #BenSoloDeservedBetter
@@jeronimoepic2946 if you don't have anything nice to say then don't reply, no-one cares about your negativity …. Mia I completely agree, killing Ben was a bad decision but it really is a great Trilogy, I got them on dvd so I can watch them all the time, I like all the star wars movies to be honest, old and new.
Kylo Ren had so much potential, and I absolutely love the design. A worthy successor in visual design. Too bad there wasn't a clear plan for the sequel trilogy.
The one good thing JJ Abrams did whille directing a Star Wars film was the casting. All of the actors on this trilogy are so great and Adam Driver is just the best.
"scene was deleted because it was a little too disturbing for star wars" I've been dreaming of a star wars that actually has some sort of disturbing elements, scary, gore, whatever just make something R rated.... this was such a bad decision from disney ffs. also i wouldve loved so much to see Colin's trevorrow's tros with all the new planets, the new sith lord and stuff, this is what SW needs...
@@residentkane I guess you have really good and responsible parents :) cuz my parents will let me watch anything but only if they're there to watch it with me and my little siblings. Hahaha They let us watch all the "John Wick" movies and those are very gory, as well as "Logan".
Thanks for making these videos. They are pretty helpful and interesting and hearing you speak about various things from the series. I'd be curious to see an addendum of sorts to certain videos that have since gained some additional material following their release like Maul or Sidious. I'd be curious to see a full sequel trilogy breakdown of the various changes and concepts.
The fact that they didn't show his force ghost gives me hope that he may either not be dead (and just like teleported [vendor has weird chasm things that allow this but i don't remember the whole story] or in the world between worlds or something) or we can at least see his ghost in future movies. Although, I think this was the last one and they won't have these characters in the future movies which really sucks :/ Ben deserved more than that.
I love this character and his arc is definitely one of the better things from Rise of Skywalker. That said I still wish the original version of Episode 9 was what we got since I loved how he was handled in Last Jedi and the Duel or the Fates version making Kylo Ren the actual main villain is more in line with what Last Jedi was doing with his character- bringing back the Emperor the way they did was just not great IMO and making Kylo ultimately be an apprentice again was no bueno
I think they made him an apprentice again due to many fans complaining of Snokes death. Many people I know kept saying "Am I suppose to be afraid of Kylo? He's not intimidating enough to be a main villan." I never agreed with that statement.
I really feel that they dropped the ball by leaving out the Force ghost of Luke Skywalker messing with/inside Kylo Ren's head in Rise of Skywalker. That was a genius idea that I would have loved to see onscreen
@@willyperez2475 unlike dotf yeah tros feels like it was written by an actual professional writer. even darth vader vs kylo had no point. it just happens and no sub meaning whatsoever
Willy Perez Hard to tell... I’d have to agree with Jenny Nicholson and say that as finished scripts, I “like” TRoS overall better than DotF (I still hate it tho). However, DotF feels like it has more potential, and after a _lot_ of rewrites, we could’ve had a great finale for the sequels!
Reason why Mustafar has now a forest is because in the Vader Immortal game it was revealed that the planet was once a lush forestry planet, until some girl stole a crystal called the Bright Star from the natives of the planet to resurrect her husband. The crystal sent energies which then devestated the planet. Then, in the game, the decentant of the girl destroyed the crystal, which then allowed Mustafar slowly return to normal. Then between Episode 6 and 7, the dark side cultists you see Kylo Ren killing at the beginning of Ep9 grew a forest near Vader's castle, however, the trees apparently died because the planet was still way too inhospitable.
I always preferred Kylo Ren as a villain. I never wanted him to come back to the light. He is fun, because he is the villain! I'm a big fan of TLJ, is my favorite SW movie. It has problems, no one can deny that, but the good things destroy the bad ones for me. And if there's something that makes all the problems disappear, that thing is Kylo Ren. I just wanted him to be the villain of TROS. But I guess we are moving back :/
Ur favorite movie is the last jedi, garbage is too nice of a term to call the last jedi, it ruined the amazing character of luke skywalker, was full of plot holes, and was a weird mixup of directors wanting differant stories, you like the last jedi, It’s Treason Then
Hot take: I really enjoyed The Rise of Skywalker, though I admit there could have been a few things to make it better, but I VERY MUCH prefer what we got to the Trevorrow script. I didn't know about the plans to give him a new helmet in Trevorrow's 9 until this video, but I'm very happy that he got his old helmet back instead of becoming a literal Vader copy. And yes, he did need to die, just as Vader did, and I'll let the brief Reylo thing slide because he died (even though I am still very much against the idea of it). The only way I'd be ok with his survival is if Snoke stayed as the villain for all 3 films.
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Ugh. The Colin Trevorrow version would have been fucking epic!! Very extreme but worth the darkness because it totally committed to a legit unique concept flow with awesome world building & character arcs. Jjterrio really created lackluster material with their lack of original creativity. Definitely agree that Adam Driver was the best thing about the series!! His ending was a complete disservice to what could have happened in the trilogy but at least we got the beautiful segments he was in.
I think his death was a good ending for him. Even though I cried for a few days it made his character develoment whole. He turned to the light side and healed her because he couldn't live without her and his parents. The galaxy wouldn't have had a plave for him if nobody was there to help him. After all he was the leader of the First Order and anybody from the Resistance would have killed him. Also he died a heroes death! I think he is a very tragic character who has been betrayed by his own master, filled with rage and hate, connected to his grandfather and tried to find a purpose in his life. He killed his own father and it teared him apart every second. He was always in the middle of the light and the dark side. I think his death was a good ending for him and it's a big sign that I am still crying over it. That was a very tragic story! He came to peace in the end.
To be fair, his master didn’t really betray him. Luke was kind of right in the end, really: what normal person thinks “oh my master tried to kill me, let me massacre all the people I grew up with and contribute to a neo-nazi regime and commit mass genocide”. He was already consumed by the dark before Luke even had that gut instinct.
Dude did so much for this role he’s such amazing character the best ever
i agree Kylo Ren
Oh God Adam Driver looks So Sexy, Those Abs, I would Love to Cuddle Up In Bed with him, anytime.
Sally Martin shut up u thirsty girl
Did you just complement yourself?
Kylo Ren sorry bro but Anakin is the best
If Ben was going to die anyway couldn't he at least been the one to kill Palpatine, that would have been symbolic, meaningful for his family.
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Hell yeah!
I thought the same, I felt like he should have been the one at the end, not Rey, who had those final moments. Also I think if he had survived too that would have been amazing, even if he gave half his power to save her and she gave half hers to save him so they were equal, there's no way he should have died. I think if he killed Palpatine it would have been the perfect ending.
Scott Griffiths Or at the very least Ben should have been fighting Palpatine together with Rey
Yeah, Vader’s sacrifice was worthless because of him coming back
I think the death of Ben Solo would have gone over better if Adam Driver had been given more time and more dialogue as Ben. The fans felt cheated of Ben Solo as a character, since they only got a glimpse of it, which was enough to see that Adam Driver would have made the part distinct from Kylo Ren. They needed more Ben, in one context or another.
Ben Solo got one line....”ow”.
If maul can survive being CUT IN HALF, and Palpatine can survive being electrocuted and thrown off the death star... then WHY can't ben solo survive force healing his girlfriend
How about ....why is it that people who make the ultimate sacrifice or commit a self-less deed don't come back? And yet those who are pure evil do? 😑 Dis stank!
You see I get the joke but kylo didn’t have any hatred towards anyone which is why he died 😔
He gave his life to her.
He turned into a mega simp (I'm joking)
@@michaeljakcsonkillerqueen385 I'm guessing he took inspiration from you (I'm joking)
Killing Kylo/Ben was a cheap decision. I understand it was the end of the trilogy, but sending the message that death is redemption and not exploring atonement and owning up to your errors by living with them is just lazy
I respectfully disagree, because if that were the message then we wouldn't have Finn and his band of defected stormtroopers. You can't have redemption without some sort of sacrifice on your part, for Finn it was giving up the only life knowing he would be hunted for it, learning to stop running away way his arc over the course of Force Awakens and Last Jesi. As for characters like Darth Vader and Kylo Ren it's a bit more than that.
The reason they have to sacrifice their lives is because it plays into their arcs. Anakin Skywalker as a character was so emotionally driven that he became overly controlling about himself and his loved ones even over death. That's why Vader choosing to confront himself over this flaw he's repressed for so long and directly overcoming it in order to save his son is so emotionallu resonating. Vader just force pushing Palpatine over the edge and surviving to live another day doesn't hit as hard both in a practical sense and narrative sense because
1. He would be arrested for war crimes and even executed.
and
2. Him survivng doesn't completely his character arc.
It's the same for Kylo Ren, conceptually Kylo Ren is meant to be an inverse of Darth Vader, where Vader started as a confident figure who was slowly broken down Kylo started as a broken figure who slowly given more confidence. That is why inevitably there will be parallels because as we all know it's like poetry it rhymes. But Ben Solo's arc isn't a copy and paste of Anakin Skywalker, Ben Solo became Kylo Ren because he was born into a situation where he would inevitably always be compared to legends and figures of the past is mentally taxing especially as a child. It's why he needed other forms of validation which Palpatine preyed on through Snoke. It's why he chose the name Kylo Ren over Ben Solo. Ky-lo literally being taken from sKYwalker and soLO he is making a statement that he is rejecting and cutting away all the baggage from his old name relating to the past and his family, Ben relating to Obi-Wan, Luke and the Jedi and Solo relating to Han, Leia and the Rebellion. The name Kylo is a direct manifestation of his "let the past die" philosophy, he is embracing that he is less of a Skywalker and a Solo and more his own man, Ren signifying that he is the master of the Knights of Ren, and the master of his own destiny.
But as much as he says it he never got the validation he needed until Rey came along, someone who grew up in a situation where she was a nobody and only stayed there because she was comforted by the desire of wanting to be part of a family that would come back for her, the opposite of his situation. Rey had to learn to make her own family in spite of her background (it remains true for her being a nobody and Palpatine), which is also why she would accept him for being Ben Solo, not Kylo Ren. And in the grand scheme of things her being a Palpatine is just a way of tieing them both to the same great evil and it poetically represents the battle of generations between Anakin Skywalker and Palpatine. Anakin chose love and Palpatine chose control so in addition to Anakin's descendant in the end even his own descendant was against him.
Ben Solo's arc culimnates emotionally when he recognises that him gaining internal validity doesn't just involve him controlling his own destiny and forcing it on others instead it involves letting other people care and love for you like how each member of the Original Trio died to save him in the long term and it culimnated with Leia solidifying that he's not this monster that's too far gone and the memory of Han Solo giving him the ok. Which is why for his redemption to work it demanded that he sacrifice himself, he needs to save Rey even if it means dying to show how he isn't afraid of not being in the spotlight of destiny anymore. And as a final battle of the Skywalker Saga Ben Solo did what his grandfather Anakin Skyalker couldn't originally bring himself to do, save the ones he cared about from dying. Not by cheating death but by embracing it in the name of love.
Fulcrum 1138 Amen
Exactly. There's a reason 'Redemption Equals Death' is a trope. Given how overused it is, it's no longer interesting storytelling, it's just lazy. Of course, JJ and co. are utterly lacking in creativity so it isn't surprising that they went for the cliche. (Don't get me wrong, JJ is a decent director, but he *should not* be writing what he directs. He's terrible at it.)
@@angrbodaironwood718 Of course not. We should send the message that no matter how many wrong things you do you can get away scott free! Give me a break.
This was the only reasonable and dignified way that Ben could have gone out. For him to have gotten off scott free to set up a house and have kids with Rey is an insult to all the lives he's taken and people he's hurt. Going to prison would be humiliating. And having him traveling the galaxy like some penitent monk is out of character, that's not Kylo. He went out like a hero saving the woman he loved. And he went out in such a way that he can be brought back. Which is probably what will happen. He'll be given Revan's story and be mind wiped.
@@Bryan-dr5qy Friend this is wonderful! Very insightful.
Killing Ben Solo was absolutely the stupidest decision narrative-wise and financially as well... He's the only truly remarkable character in this trilogy. They could've made him a space ronin, show his atonement, and milk that cow for another 30+ years through comics, books, animated series, movies... but nah. DLF is a dumpsterfire.
Right!!! I thought Disney would've made more money off of him by letting him live.. 😣 plus story-wise and continuiity. Everything you said I wholly agree.
I agree. If anyone should have died...it should have been Rey.
Ben/Kylo Ren could have then left, grieved over Rey, and move on to next scene. Then show Ben at the END of the movie (having returned to Luke's home planet) to bury Leia/Luke's light saber's!
Then the title would have made sense..."THE RISE OF SKYWALKER"!
Luke's nephew would have been the family member to RISE back to LIGHT side of the force!!!! YAY!
The End!
I had also heard a rumor that Adam Driver did NOT want to make any more SW movies and that is why character was killed off. Could that be true???
Yep but this is where you have to understand practically all of Hollywood lately is trying to push this agenda where Women are the best and on top now. Thats why they went with Rey and why it was always going to purely be about here here in these sequels. And well Disney love thier princesses.
@@judegross7624 No, it was George Lucas who was the first to come up with a Female Protagonist, in his Sequel Treatments that went through a few names. Early on his titular heroine would be called "Skylar", then he changed the name to "Thea", which is evidenced in very early concept art, when he was trying to flesh out his Sequel Trilogy story before he sold Lucasfilm to Disney.
Then when Disney bought Star Wars, they threw out Lucas' treatments, Micheal Arndt was brought in as screen writer and he came took a stab at the story evolving the character into "kira", then he couldnt nail anything down which worked and left. Thats when Kennedy hired JJ. Abrams and by that point the character had gone through so many changes, Lucas' original character of Skylar/Thea was long gone. And JJ worked Arndt's "Kira" character into Rey.
One of the best characters in the saga
Are you serious? Lmao
I agree with this!
TEA SPILLED Kylo ren as a character is top 3 characters in Star Wars
Kylo Ren Sorry you can’t compare Kylo Ren to Anakin,Leia,Luke,Yoda,Palpatine,Vader,Obi-Wan,Ahsoka Tano or any other character
from the original films or even prequels or Clone Wars
Even if I strongly disagree, I'm glad you enjoyed this character
BRING BACK BEN SOLO I MISS HIM😭😭😭💔💔💔
#BringBenSoloBack
Nefeli V. Gtfo disgusting reylos
No he killed millions
@@realnanidoe There are characters who has done way worse, yet Kylo can't come back? Kyp Durron killed billions, and thats fine with you?
@@HenryLouis21 kylo killed millions like vader he cant come back
Kylo Ren is my favorite character, and Adam Driver is my favorite actor! He absolutely slayed this role. I hear what JJ is saying about killing Ben off, but if more thought was put into it, there are ways they could keep him alive while still not having him fully forgiven for everything he did. You should never kill off characters simply out of convenience - especially not characters as beloved as Ben Solo/Kylo Ren. I really hope they bring him back.
Kurly Kayla yes! I can relate to everything you said. I still have the hope 🙌 there are some legit theories on his comeback
@@katarinaserbentas I have hope too! Even if it's just for one standalone film, I'll be satisfied!
Ben Solo will be back. He and Adam are worth a fortune, and DLF knows it. He and the character are money in the bank.
Though the whole cast has expressed the end of the Skywalkers storyline, maybe by some twist of fate,Lucasfilms/Disney will change their mind.Who knows? maybe we'll see Ben Solo living as a hermit because he thought he didn't deserve redemption.And that the death scene was only an illusion cast by him Luke Skywalker style.Then Rey finds out he's actually alive, and by some glorious reason, Ben Solo needs to be found because he's the last Skywalker.That in itself is a nice plot.So many possibilities.....
@@kurlykayla9013 definitely agree with u girl, there has to be a way for him to be alive somehow, he's the last living skywalker rey has to find him some way! x
I honestly don’t think they were expecting Driver to steal the show like he did. It’s like he WAS Kylo Ren. I want to see his story. The Knights of Ren, their story. I want THAT movie. I’ve read it all and I know it but on the big screen, what a movie that would be. Given that Driver has said numerous times he wouldn’t play the role again, I guess that dream is dead. Any one else playing this role wouldn’t do it for me. He seriously brings it to any role he plays. And he’s a Marine so, there’s that 🇺🇸
Imagine this: Rey dies after killing the Emperor, Ben fails to ressurrect her. So Ben Solo becoming the Last Jedi. He restores the Jedi Order once he destroyed and trains bunch of people including Finn and The Broom Boy. But first he needs to redeem himself in the eyes of the good guys. Especially to people like Finn and Poe after somewhat causing the demise of their beloved Rey. Without Leia, Rey or anyone to stood up for him. Imagine this master and apperantice dynamics between Ben and Finn. With that Ben Solo, truly Rises as Skywalker. This would have been gave the Mary Sue the Space Jesus some depth and makes Ben's redemption more meaningful. Also he would finish what his grandfather started. Redeeming himself with restoring not merely dying.
Adam Driver is the best thing about the sequels and Ben Solo deserved so much better
That lightsaber spinning of Kylo is satisfying tbh
My favorite character in the new series! Adam is so good
This is silly but I love Ben's shirt at the end of the movie 😂 it looks so comfy
I feel like kylo was the main character of this trilogy. And I love his personality and his story arc force powers like mind probe. Stopping a blaster bolt and best of all his lightsaber
Not to mention keeping his thoughts hidden from Snoke and bringing Rey back to life -- something his grandfather was willing to sell his soul to learn.
@@indranidasgupta8982 ture
Killing off this character was a huge mistake. Ben Solo was the best character of this trilogy, and Adam Driver portrayed him so well. They absolutely ruined his redemption arc. I miss Ben.😭😭😭😭😭😭 Also can we appreciate 0:09 ❤️❤️❤️❤️
Edit: Wow thanks for all the likes!
Edit 2: 205 likes?! Damn that’s a lot! Thank y’all so much!
they don't need him any more because the trilogy ended.
Iron Kamekaze stfu
Killing him was a huge mistake, but the biggest mistake of them all imo is how they handled it.. He died and nobody ever mentioned him again. Rey has no sad feelings and everyone is partying. Not even a force ghost Ben.. I can’t with this movie :(
@@lc4152 I don't know maybe because he tried to murder them all and he policed every world creating a massive war where he goes to extents such as burning small villages it isn't like he's a good guy.
Kelly Jung ikr. It’s almost like his death was unsignificant .
Adam takes his roles very seriously. Great.
One of the few highlights of the Sequel Trilogy. Adam did a wonderful job.
Kylo/Ben was the best thing in this trilogy. Ben Solo will be back, adam driver will be back as Ben Solo and I predict he will have script approval ;) I mean come on, this film outside of his performance blew balls.
i thought there was only 3 films every trilogy? and adam driver said he was done with star wars :( hoping he comes back tho ALIVE
I really wish they had stuck with Rian's direction for the character, as I think it made him much more interesting, and presented so many more unique for Star Wars story possibilities, as opposed to a watered down Darth Vader arc. I mean seriously his arc is damn near identical to Vader. Would have been far more interesting for him to be the primary antagonist. I also hate that they reforged the mask because him destroying the mask was the admission that even though he was desperately trying to emulate Vader, he never could be him. He was setting his own path, and destiny. This was far more compelling in a story, as wall as meta-textual sense.
Noah East Agreed
I wish the RoS was done better, JJ had another shot at a Star Wars film and made the worst one to date
Noah East yeah and JJ only brought the mask back cause they put a lot of effort into designing it??? R u kidding?? Never mind the storyline, what matters is obviously them sulking and getting their way 🤦🏻♀️
Yep, and the decision of making Rey a nobody was one of the better decisions in the sequel trilogy too. The fact they had to make Rey a Palpatine is a bit bloodline-obsessed. Can't true power come from small places? Anakin was just a boy in a desert planet when he was discovered, can't Rey just be a random girl too?
@@MilA-eh3gf I think it would have been boring in a way. I was confused at that fact but they always talked about her parents in a way that there must have been something behind it. I expected something shocking because otherwise it would have been really boring. I don't know why it must have been Palpatine because for me it made no big sense, but that she wasn't just a nobody was fine
I missed this series, keep up the great man, you taking the time to do all this inner research is amazing and well appreciated
Thanks man. I had a daughter and the channel kinda fell by the wayside, but she's 18 months old now and easier to handle, plus might as well make the most of not being able to work during this crazy pandemic :P thanks again, I really appreciate it
Behind Star Wars, that’s great, family first
Ladies and gentlemen, he has returned!
After an entire year!
@@nizownis wait what??
@@thekinggamer488 the guy who made the video, he disappeared for an entire year
Adam Driver as Kilo was the absolute best thing about this Star Wars trilogy.
And that's why Kylo Ren is my favorite sequel character. He was acted so well. Adam put his heart and soul into this character much like his other roles. All of his emotions felt so real the entire time I watched the movies. Not to mention the Knights of Ren scene. I LOVED the Knights of Ren scene so much, I had a huge stupid smile the entire time.
6:12 actually in AOTC when Anakin and dooku are fighting in the dark they are using illuminated blades instead of the painted metal ones, which is why you can see the glow of red and blue on their faces
To be honest, the best thing about the new Star Wars that the general public got aware of Adam Driver's incredible talent. That's about it.
I definitely think Adam Driver carried much of the Sequal Trilogy on his shoulders.
Kylo Ren will always be my favorite Star Wars character because of how layered he is! Right from the first movie we know he’s torn from the light and the dark! He’s like Claude Frollo from Hunchback with a bit more understanding for his motives. And of course Adam Driver did a FANTASTIC JOB playing the character
Best character ever
They had something great with Kylo
at first I wanted him and Rey to be siblings or cousins but after seeing TROS and seeing them act as if they were in love I would've liked them getting together at the end and having a true Skywalker baby or babies to set up a new trilogy
BADD BUNNY yes yes yes
Not to mention that Rian Johnson literally said that the hand touching scene in TLJ was “the closest thing to a sex scene in Star Wars”
Sounds rather shit.
I love the Kylo/Ben character. Going in to TROS I didn’t want Reylo to happen or Ben to be redeemed but the way JJ did it was beautiful. Adam deserves all the praise for this role and should get awards for it too
Me watching this video
*see Adam* instantly crying...
6:14 Everytime I see Adam like this, I truly would have welcomed a stand-alone story about Kylo Ren as long as Adam plays the character again.
10:01 Yeah I had heard that Kylo Ren was supposed to get a droid in the early stages of TROS, but.....
13:58 Was it really JJ's decision to kill off Ben or Kennedy's ....such a mess.
#BenSoloDeservedBetter
12:42 well I was very disappointed to see BEN SOLO taken away and destroyed so quickly. 😤
I still can't get over how they killed Ben Solo/kylo ren. So much potential awful decision. Great trilogy. 👍🏼
GREAT TRILOGY!? hahahahhahahaa what a horrible failiure these movies were garbage and ruined starwars, full of mary sues and wasted potential.
@@jeronimoepic2946 if you don't have anything nice to say then don't reply, no-one cares about your negativity …. Mia I completely agree, killing Ben was a bad decision but it really is a great Trilogy, I got them on dvd so I can watch them all the time, I like all the star wars movies to be honest, old and new.
@@EmmaWilliams2 no one asked, no one cares, fuck off
@@EmmaWilliams2 its terrible u cant deny that
@@jeronimoepic2946 it's trolls like you that ruin the internet
Kylo Ren had so much potential, and I absolutely love the design. A worthy successor in visual design. Too bad there wasn't a clear plan for the sequel trilogy.
Maybe if people saw your videos the Star Wars Fandom wouldn't literally be at war with each other. You are a legend.
Honestly Adam was the only guy who actually learned stuff about Jedi.
Man these videos are good, you should 100% upload more often because these videos are really awesome!!
Adam is the only reason I will ever re-watch the last trilogy.
I need a full series of Ben Solo, Mandalorian and baby Yoda ❤️
I LOVE Adam Driver.
adam carried the whole sequel trilogy on his back. his acting and thinking is phenomenal 🥺
Damn most of the cut/not used shit is honestly a lot cooler than what we got imo
My favorite character in all of star wars. I hope they do more with him, he was the best character in the sequels
I am SO happy that Kylo kept his hair.
Best thing to came out this trilogy is kylo ren and the casting of Adam
Kylo was such a good character concept with such a good actor. Shame to see it go to waste.
This one is my favorite. Love these videos. Thank you.
The one good thing JJ Abrams did whille directing a Star Wars film was the casting. All of the actors on this trilogy are so great and Adam Driver is just the best.
Rebuilding the mask was a terrible idea
Great video! I wish Ben Solo had more screentime.
So much potential...
when they killed him off i got up and walked out of the cinema
I sat there thinking it was a horrible dream
as you should!
@@pineappleollie5642 I got so angry.
who asked?
@@Volzarok no one but we are responding to OUR opinions
"scene was deleted because it was a little too disturbing for star wars"
I've been dreaming of a star wars that actually has some sort of disturbing elements, scary, gore, whatever just make something R rated.... this was such a bad decision from disney ffs.
also i wouldve loved so much to see Colin's trevorrow's tros with all the new planets, the new sith lord and stuff, this is what SW needs...
Ooooo image how gory it be if they made a rated R film 😎
If so, I wouldn't be able to watch it, so it's great it's not R. Neither would have my sister.
@@residentkane I guess you have really good and responsible parents :) cuz my parents will let me watch anything but only if they're there to watch it with me and my little siblings. Hahaha
They let us watch all the "John Wick" movies and those are very gory, as well as "Logan".
@@gandalfs-pants and not any one of those gore series are star wars related, that's what I personally want
Star wars is not R rated, and many kids love it, star wars is for everyone
I agree... Kylo Ren was everything in the sequel trilogy.
Thanks for making these videos. They are pretty helpful and interesting and hearing you speak about various things from the series. I'd be curious to see an addendum of sorts to certain videos that have since gained some additional material following their release like Maul or Sidious. I'd be curious to see a full sequel trilogy breakdown of the various changes and concepts.
The fact that they didn't show his force ghost gives me hope that he may either not be dead (and just like teleported [vendor has weird chasm things that allow this but i don't remember the whole story] or in the world between worlds or something) or we can at least see his ghost in future movies. Although, I think this was the last one and they won't have these characters in the future movies which really sucks :/ Ben deserved more than that.
Adam was amazing!
I didn’t even know the planet from the beginning was Mustafar
Seeing Mortis should have been amazing
I love this character and his arc is definitely one of the better things from Rise of Skywalker. That said I still wish the original version of Episode 9 was what we got since I loved how he was handled in Last Jedi and the Duel or the Fates version making Kylo Ren the actual main villain is more in line with what Last Jedi was doing with his character- bringing back the Emperor the way they did was just not great IMO and making Kylo ultimately be an apprentice again was no bueno
I think they made him an apprentice again due to many fans complaining of Snokes death. Many people I know kept saying "Am I suppose to be afraid of Kylo? He's not intimidating enough to be a main villan." I never agreed with that statement.
This was awesome! Thank you!
Great to see you back dude! interesting video as always! - Also your voice is very relaxing - reminds me of ASMR!
Wow we need a Ben Solo or kylo Ren movie. There are so many good ideas that were omitted
I have been waiting for uploads for so long, thanks!
I really feel that they dropped the ball by leaving out the Force ghost of Luke Skywalker messing with/inside Kylo Ren's head in Rise of Skywalker. That was a genius idea that I would have loved to see onscreen
Damn how I wanted Duel of the Fates to actually happen :(
Don't like how they mutilated Kylo and switchd his helmet in the script but everything else sounded way better than what we got.
nah man i read the script it sucks
@@bacikov7838 by comparison is Rise of Skywalker is really any better ?
@@willyperez2475 unlike dotf yeah tros feels like it was written by an actual professional writer. even darth vader vs kylo had no point. it just happens and no sub meaning whatsoever
Willy Perez Hard to tell... I’d have to agree with Jenny Nicholson and say that as finished scripts, I “like” TRoS overall better than DotF (I still hate it tho). However, DotF feels like it has more potential, and after a _lot_ of rewrites, we could’ve had a great finale for the sequels!
I need more Kylo Ren 😭😭😭
Ugh, I've seen too much Kylo Ren.
Reason why Mustafar has now a forest is because in the Vader Immortal game it was revealed that the planet was once a lush forestry planet, until some girl stole a crystal called the Bright Star from the natives of the planet to resurrect her husband. The crystal sent energies which then devestated the planet. Then, in the game, the decentant of the girl destroyed the crystal, which then allowed Mustafar slowly return to normal. Then between Episode 6 and 7, the dark side cultists you see Kylo Ren killing at the beginning of Ep9 grew a forest near Vader's castle, however, the trees apparently died because the planet was still way too inhospitable.
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It’d be a waste of a movie just talking about that. If you’re too lazy to play a video game that’s on you.
sounds like they brought the mask back out of ego. shame on writers who do things for ego rather than the story.
The concept drawings are so cool :)
JJ put so much thought into TFA
I LOVE ROGUE ONE........ AND EPISODE 1,2,3,4,5,6 THESE ARE THE REAL STAR WARS
Adam Driver is a damn good actor
GUYS ADAM DRIVER KINDA LOOKS LIKE KYLO REN AND BEN SOLO
Just found this channel and I’m immediately a huge fan. Could you please do a C3PO video? I think it would be really cool to see
rey and kylo are the best characters in the sequel trilogy
My third favorite villain in the series! Behind vader and palpatine of course
Adam Driver was AMAZING as Kylo Ren
I always preferred Kylo Ren as a villain. I never wanted him to come back to the light. He is fun, because he is the villain!
I'm a big fan of TLJ, is my favorite SW movie. It has problems, no one can deny that, but the good things destroy the bad ones for me. And if there's something that makes all the problems disappear, that thing is Kylo Ren.
I just wanted him to be the villain of TROS. But I guess we are moving back :/
I Would love to See dark rey and kylo ren as the suprem leaders of the first Order
Ur favorite movie is the last jedi, garbage is too nice of a term to call the last jedi, it ruined the amazing character of luke skywalker, was full of plot holes, and was a weird mixup of directors wanting differant stories, you like the last jedi, It’s Treason Then
They need to make a Disney plus series for kylo ren and the resistance
Kylo Ren was a perfect character and I love your voice.
Hot take: I really enjoyed The Rise of Skywalker, though I admit there could have been a few things to make it better, but I VERY MUCH prefer what we got to the Trevorrow script. I didn't know about the plans to give him a new helmet in Trevorrow's 9 until this video, but I'm very happy that he got his old helmet back instead of becoming a literal Vader copy. And yes, he did need to die, just as Vader did, and I'll let the brief Reylo thing slide because he died (even though I am still very much against the idea of it). The only way I'd be ok with his survival is if Snoke stayed as the villain for all 3 films.
Excellent, thank you.
Dude I really love your channel and crave content exactly like yours. Well edited, well narrated and great footage choice as well. Love to your new family from Germany!
aahh, yes, Adam was the best thing about the last sequels.
Man seeing all thay concept art and hearing all those ideas make me really wish Colin travro had directed episode 9
Biggest waste of a Good character arc.. Driver did an Amazing job, but its to bad they diden’t have competent people to write a worthy story.
I never thought I'd see another upload
Best part about the sequels was Kylo/Ben.
Adam was amazing at the character.
This is an awsome behind the scenes video. I agree with your analysis regarding Kylo Rens story ending.
adam driver did make a great kylo ren
Ugh. The Colin Trevorrow version would have been fucking epic!! Very extreme but worth the darkness because it totally committed to a legit unique concept flow with awesome world building & character arcs. Jjterrio really created lackluster material with their lack of original creativity. Definitely agree that Adam Driver was the best thing about the series!! His ending was a complete disservice to what could have happened in the trilogy but at least we got the beautiful segments he was in.
My favourite thing about the Sequels is not Kylo Ren, but Darth Sidious. But Kylo is still cool
One of the main things that bothers me about the sequels is that all of the events take place in 1 year
I can see how Ben’s death was disappointing but it did make sense and it was meaningful
I think his death was a good ending for him. Even though I cried for a few days it made his character develoment whole. He turned to the light side and healed her because he couldn't live without her and his parents. The galaxy wouldn't have had a plave for him if nobody was there to help him. After all he was the leader of the First Order and anybody from the Resistance would have killed him. Also he died a heroes death! I think he is a very tragic character who has been betrayed by his own master, filled with rage and hate, connected to his grandfather and tried to find a purpose in his life. He killed his own father and it teared him apart every second. He was always in the middle of the light and the dark side. I think his death was a good ending for him and it's a big sign that I am still crying over it. That was a very tragic story! He came to peace in the end.
To be fair, his master didn’t really betray him. Luke was kind of right in the end, really: what normal person thinks “oh my master tried to kill me, let me massacre all the people I grew up with and contribute to a neo-nazi regime and commit mass genocide”. He was already consumed by the dark before Luke even had that gut instinct.