i know this video is years old, i still needed to post a message saying thank you, I had this exact same printer for a few months now and i could not get it to manual feed till I saw how you did it lmaooo i feel so dumb now but I'm also happy seeing how it works lol
Would that printer have enough room to print onto a paper cup? Maybe removing more of the printer below the paper feed mechanism. I’m trying to use a laser printer for quick custom paper cups. The toner is waterproof like I need.
There are two main problems with such a solution. 1. the photosensitive material on the drum is quickly damaged by the laminate after few printing sessions and it will no more pick-up the toner where scratches or abrasions are present; 2. the overall printing process causes strong distortion of the layout's geometry (up to 4mm and more on one axis isn't infrequent on an A4 sheet); thus it can be used for single layer PCBs only; printing on both sides sums the geometric distorsions making vias impossible to collimate with pads.
Thanks for the video and I have a question for you and other friends of the viewer. Are all laser printers capable of doing this or is it a special model?
To come soon, probably an Instructible. The main hacks are getting the paper path straight through the printer and removing the fuser. At this time only the Lexmark E260 seems to work reliably, though I will be testing some others in the near future.
why the arm chair quaterbacking with brain in off position? its a demo...ever think prehaps he was demonstrating the durability even while doing things known/said to cause issues with the process?
Yes, it's neat idea with direct print, but the problem will be here: the drum will damaged quicker. There is very thin layer photosensitive on the drum for toner transfer. The sharp edges of pcb might bump a little against the drum, there you have chances for small scratches on drum layer. Because high damage risk, i should not recommended it very much, because you need also modify the printer for it. Other methodes with photopaper transfer are much safer and you can do it many times without any damage risk. Remember damaged drum has problem for fine patterns: they will start have missing some details. I know it because i make earlier many films. After many runs, the film prints starts to show missing details. But here direct print, it can already damaged after some prints. That is why it's not very smart idea, even it's easy and fast. But too risky and not acceptable for serious pcb work. My conclusion: not recommended. You don't want buy again expensive drum for big risk. Stick with safer photopaper printing and transfer. And indeed, double side is possible with photopaper.
Someone sells replacement parts. Used spare parts printers sometimes can be found for free. Fix them yourself so many times, and learn how / where and what you can replace with something else from somewhere else.
Fake. Photo drum is made of aluminium, and its hard, so transferring toner from hard surface to hard surface is literally impossible. Also photosensitive layer on photo drum is extremely thin and if it touch something harder then paper it will scratch.... So ...
I hate people like you. "Impossible, Impossible, Impossible!". Know what else was "impossible"? Airplanes, X-rays, and hundreds of other things. The time it took you to write your comment could of been better spent doing a simple google search. It's been done before and it does IN FACT work. I've seen it in person. You sir, are an idiot.
+George Eliozov You must try it. Just cut a aluminum foil letter size and print on it with you printer. It will print. Of course toner is not fixed on aluminum foil still. You need to heat up foil outside printer by yourselt. So, before I destroyed my old printer I test this way. It prints. To avoid damage drum just round egdes of PCB before printing. Two year ago I printed on PCB with Mark guide and help. "literally Imposible", lol.
This is an amazing achievement in making boards and patterns!
Great job. Well done! I am interested in such technology.
i know this video is years old, i still needed to post a message saying thank you, I had this exact same printer for a few months now and i could not get it to manual feed till I saw how you did it lmaooo i feel so dumb now but I'm also happy seeing how it works lol
Clever idea.
Would that printer have enough room to print onto a paper cup? Maybe removing more of the printer below the paper feed mechanism.
I’m trying to use a laser printer for quick custom paper cups. The toner is waterproof like I need.
There are two main problems with such a solution. 1. the photosensitive material on the drum is quickly damaged by the laminate after few printing sessions and it will no more pick-up the toner where scratches or abrasions are present; 2. the overall printing process causes strong distortion of the layout's geometry (up to 4mm and more on one axis isn't infrequent on an A4 sheet); thus it can be used for single layer PCBs only; printing on both sides sums the geometric distorsions making vias impossible to collimate with pads.
Impresionante genial idea, felicitaciones, gracias por compartir.
Hi here from brasil!
Did You make any modification on THe printer?
What os The model?
Thank You.
Good video man! no one shows how it looks behind the printer. Tks!
Damn. Its neat !!
absoltely agree, is pretty neat! eager to know the instructible
Instructable is at
@@marklerman2305 Thank you for making this available. Your invention is still the best.
can we use to big flexo printing machines
That's a new lvl :D
Does the PCB not scratch your drums, or how can it be made to prevent too much direct pressure on the fuser drum?
Please which machine are you using for the PCB board
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такое же можно сделать со старыми моделями HP 6l/5l HP 1100
Thanks for the video and I have a question for you and other friends of the viewer. Are all laser printers capable of doing this or is it a special model?
I think any printer should work buy it will need some mods
So many people moaning about damaging the drum
How are you getting on with this? Printed many boards?
super interesting !
how well this will work with 0.1mm trace with 0.1mm spacing.
Hey Mark. Does the PCB damage the Drum? How ofen?.....Thanks for sharing this.
only damages one time....LOL
Pretty neat. Any write up on how u modified the printer?
To come soon, probably an Instructible. The main hacks are getting the paper path straight through the printer and removing the fuser. At this time only the Lexmark E260 seems to work reliably, though I will be testing some others in the near future.
Good, look forward to it.
What is the printer name ?
Is the E360 the same as the E260? Can it also be modified? Nice job Mark!!! Impressive work.
What' s Model the Print?
Why straight edge traces with 90 degree? Why not 45 degree "normal" traces?
why the arm chair quaterbacking with brain in off position? its a demo...ever think prehaps he was demonstrating the durability even while doing things known/said to cause issues with the process?
PLS TUTO :)
mostra o esquema
The original one.
Yes, it's neat idea with direct print, but the problem will be here: the drum will damaged quicker. There is very thin layer photosensitive on the drum for toner transfer. The sharp edges of pcb might bump a little against the drum, there you have chances for small scratches on drum layer.
Because high damage risk, i should not recommended it very much, because you need also modify the printer for it.
Other methodes with photopaper transfer are much safer and you can do it many times without any damage risk.
Remember damaged drum has problem for fine patterns: they will start have missing some details. I know it because i make earlier many films. After many runs, the film prints starts to show missing details. But here direct print, it can already damaged after some prints.
That is why it's not very smart idea, even it's easy and fast. But too risky and not acceptable for serious pcb work.
My conclusion: not recommended. You don't want buy again expensive drum for big risk. Stick with safer photopaper printing and transfer. And indeed, double side is possible with photopaper.
you may not understand what mrdummy said
Someone sells replacement parts. Used spare parts printers sometimes can be found for free. Fix them yourself so many times, and learn how / where and what you can replace with something else from somewhere else.
Damaged my printer like this
@@kimjong-un3870 Kim, you ain't known for truthiness, so I'm askin' fo' real. This true?
Fake. Photo drum is made of aluminium, and its hard, so transferring toner from hard surface to hard surface is literally impossible. Also photosensitive layer on photo drum is extremely thin and if it touch something harder then paper it will scratch.... So ...
I hate people like you. "Impossible, Impossible, Impossible!". Know what else was "impossible"? Airplanes, X-rays, and hundreds of other things. The time it took you to write your comment could of been better spent doing a simple google search. It's been done before and it does IN FACT work. I've seen it in person. You sir, are an idiot.
And in case you're still doubtful;
hackaday.com/2014/10/12/pcb-toner-transfer-method-now-without-the-transfer/
+George Eliozov You must try it. Just cut a aluminum foil letter size and print on it with you printer. It will print. Of course toner is not fixed on aluminum foil still. You need to heat up foil outside printer by yourselt.
So, before I destroyed my old printer I test this way. It prints. To avoid damage drum just round egdes of PCB before printing. Two year ago I printed on PCB with Mark guide and help.
"literally Imposible", lol.
@george... you are so smart you are all kinds of stupid.
George Eliozov What if he modded the printer?