Direct ink to PCB CNC Plotter

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  • Direct ink to PCB CNC plotter
    Part 2 available here: • Direct ink to PCB CNC-...
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    This is my attempt of putting some leftover hardware together
    to build a plotter to help me create PCB designs from scratch.
    It plots directly onto the copper board so all I then need to do is
    etch it, and go !
    My requirements are rather humble I must admit, 2.54mm raster
    is ok for me, so is simplest SMD.
    I have been using this a lot lately, and I must admit it works just
    fine. For final PCBs I still use ordering services, but not as often
    as I used to ...
    Enjoy !
    Edit:
    It seems the the link to the python g-code GUI is dead,
    I moved the ardGcodeWriter.py to the github repo down below, since
    I seem to be maintaining it now. It can be found in the Extras directory.
    (last update: 2015/01/08)
    Update 2016/04/18: Pushed updates to the firmware, please update to the latest release.
    The aduino firmware used for this is available for
    download via github. See here:
    github.com/dherrendoerfer/uCN...
    It is published under GPLv2 and should be considered
    beta quality.
    If you like what you see, and want to help out making this sort of development and production possible in the future, please consider a small donation at:
    www.paypal.me/dherrendoerfer
    This helps a lot in keeping the channel and its content free and un-influenced.
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  • @Friendroid
    @Friendroid 8 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Began learning about arduino last June but only recently started looking into stepper motors. I came across some videos of XY plotters but thought I'd try using a marker pen instead to draw small circuits. This way I'll reuse old dvd/cd drives, learn cnc and build something useful. Your work will be my main guide and I just wanted to leave a comment because I found your pen holding mechanism really, really clever. Glueing the top ring to act against the servo horn is so simple but effective. Thank you for sharing

  • @nickp5070
    @nickp5070 10 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I really love it when people are able to repurpose/recycle parts and make them do awesome things like this!

  • @stephenfitton5516
    @stephenfitton5516 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Over simplicity,owesome,you have just opened a new train of thought,appreciated

  • @dherrendoerfer
    @dherrendoerfer  10 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    No bushings, the rails are 4mm brass tubes, the sled is 6/4mm CFK tube, some silicone based lubricant keeps it gliding softly.

    • @reallifesometimesandgaming1894
      @reallifesometimesandgaming1894 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      Dirk Herrendoerfe

    • @dherrendoerfer
      @dherrendoerfer  7 ปีที่แล้ว

      No, just brass tube over brass/carbon rods.

    • @xbmAsTeR360
      @xbmAsTeR360 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      Dirk Herrendoerfer hast du eine teile liste? bzw. Ableitung zum Bau?

    • @dherrendoerfer
      @dherrendoerfer  7 ปีที่แล้ว

      Nein, nicht von dem hier - der war nur aus 'Elektroschrott' und dem was noch so rumlag.

  • @zacao9
    @zacao9 9 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Simple and efficient! Congratulations!

  • @TheDZFreeMan
    @TheDZFreeMan 9 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I looove what you did.
    Thanks for sharing.

  • @mindiff
    @mindiff 10 ปีที่แล้ว

    Love it - it's a great candidate for a good winter project, thanks!

  • @prchat
    @prchat 9 ปีที่แล้ว

    Congratulations, Great job Bro !!!
    I Encourage You to keep going !!!
    This is great resource and very educational !!!

  • @robmccance
    @robmccance 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Well done Dirk! You are a (rare) example of a REAL engineer. Merging every aspect of engineering to achieve a goal: electrical, mechanical, software, chemistry! I love it.
    No sure what you are doing for etching but I found very small quantities of HCL + H2O2 is very effective, inexpensive and clean.

  • @GralRoyMustang
    @GralRoyMustang 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    amazing design, its simple but functional and the best part its the lack of Dremel tool noise, congrats

  • @dherrendoerfer
    @dherrendoerfer  10 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    The controller is an Arduino Mega. The software on the controller is based on rsteppercontroller. The software to make the PCB layout is Eagle. It generates HPGL which is then converted to g-code by hp2xx. The software to sent the g-code to the Arduino is ardGcodeWriter, a python utility.

  • @IstvanNagy86
    @IstvanNagy86 9 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Mind=blown. Incredible :O Wish i could build this later on.

  • @sicarii_Tactica
    @sicarii_Tactica 10 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Dirk that was simply amazing man. You my friend will survive the fall of man, zombie apocalypse. Very inspirational work, wished people post more work like this. Thanks for sharing.

  • @johnrossie6242
    @johnrossie6242 9 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi Dirk, first of all I would like to say thank you for the source code you give, I already managed to run the 2 stepper motor . I'll just ask you some question for clarification, what does the use of the void parse_command in your source code? would you mind explain it to me? sorry for I'm still learning.

  • @aldeen19
    @aldeen19 7 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Such a nice interesting design, well done.

  • @EvilS0B
    @EvilS0B 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hiya Dirk. Great project! Do you have a website/forum anywhere to assist builders with troubleshooting? I've breadboarded all the electronics, but software seem seems slow and unresponsive AT TIMES. And I feel wrong using YT as a forum... Thanks

  • @VictusMei
    @VictusMei 10 ปีที่แล้ว

    Genius! Thanks for taking the time to make an informative video.

  • @Bright8888
    @Bright8888 10 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi Dirk, your idea is great and the project is very impressive. Do you think you can produce boards that use surface mount parts of 0805 & 0603 size and a track width of 8 mil?

  • @dherrendoerfer
    @dherrendoerfer  10 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I have made PCBs with SOT23 and 0805 SMD parts on them, but a 8mil track is beyond the capability of this unit. The pens I use have a 0.4mm (15mil) line width and require at least 4mil clearance.
    The limitation is imposed by the 3.6deg/step motors and the pen holder. With better parts at hand, and a better pen I guess it could be possible.

  • @marcusjenkins
    @marcusjenkins 10 ปีที่แล้ว

    Awesome. What about the rails? Are they just steel bar with Oilite-style phosphor-bronze bushings fired fitted to your sled and pen carriage?

  • @franciscgedeon9237
    @franciscgedeon9237 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Nice work. In my experience, the ferric chloride gets a bit under the marker lines. You could try painting the whole board and than removing marker with the CNC, using a pointy tool. Of course, you'd be "printing" in negative. Best of luck!

  • @sandrosalessales6324
    @sandrosalessales6324 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Impressionante!!! simples e totalmente funcional !!! Parabéns!!!

  • @hlevine10
    @hlevine10 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Good video. Question. Did you export the PCB file straight from eagle etc?

  • @olasoderlind5685
    @olasoderlind5685 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    so waht method do you rpeferi uv.light or paint and bath?
    now bulid a robotic arm to move the card to next satian ( bath ) and drill hol or make a drilling tool to it :)

  • @varietedigital7567
    @varietedigital7567 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi Dirk!, you told us in yor last video that we have to change certain values depending on the project we made.I personally didn`t see this situations in your videos.When you download the ARDUINO hex file interpreter into the chip...does it do automatically?Wheres is the point from we have to change of?

  • @Milos_Animes
    @Milos_Animes ปีที่แล้ว

    Awesome project bro, could you let me know what size parts you made to assemble the CNC?

  • @PiefacePete46
    @PiefacePete46 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I don't need to etch pc boards, but I'm going to try to follow your design anyway, because it is so good! Thanks.

    • @serdar-ors
      @serdar-ors 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      +John Colvin
      how do you make pcb design without etching chemical substances. I am trying to find the better way too.

    • @TheKyshu
      @TheKyshu 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      +Serdar Örs One way would be using a CNC mill or scratching outlines into the board by hand.

  • @nitrogamesstudios5276
    @nitrogamesstudios5276 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Dirk would you like show us a detailed arduino tutorial based on the stepper motor 28byj 48 because there bunch tutorials about this but when you try the code is just buzz the stepper😢. Thanks for your tutorials

  • @hofmannsapprentice
    @hofmannsapprentice 9 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The use of a servo is brilliant for the Z axis, you're full of great ideas!

  • @sergiobeltrao
    @sergiobeltrao 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    That's beautiful!

  • @TheKyshu
    @TheKyshu 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Clever idea! Like this a lot!

  • @vinicius.rangel
    @vinicius.rangel 9 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi Dirk.. thanks for sharing this wonderful work!
    I would like to know, is there any way to use this code with bipolar motors? how?
    Thanks in advance!

    • @dherrendoerfer
      @dherrendoerfer  9 ปีที่แล้ว

      Vinicius Rangel Follow the link in the description to my github repo. There you can find a number of designs and firmwares, version 4 (v4) has drivers and support for bipolar steppers.

  • @TomasSab3D
    @TomasSab3D 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    For the holder of a pen... Roll the pen in paper, and hot glue the paper into a solid tube. A chick layer of hot glue all around, to make a "cocoon". To reduce pen wobble even further - The paper can be bent closer to the tip of the pen. It keeps the pen from falling out, downward, as well.
    The wiggle is minimal, as the paper tube is fitted on to the pen, and the hot glue holds it in place. The contraption can be hot-glued to any carrier plate... generous amounts of hot glue will form a solid block of stiff plastic. It's almost like like 3D printing..
    This looks childish, but it works. And you can make a new tube for any size and diameter of a pen, literally, within minutes. No drilling, no nothing - hot glue and a peace of paper (preferably slippery paper of lower friction).

    • @dherrendoerfer
      @dherrendoerfer  7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yes, definitely a good way to do it - I found that adding a mask for the tip of the pen will greatly enhance accuracy - but I agree that your build is very simple and efficient.
      I dont think it is childish, the first 3D printers were basically hot glue guns on wheels -

  • @B32Mike
    @B32Mike 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Finally a use for red map markers. I have a bunch because I can't use them on my maps! I can't read them at night under red lens then.

  • @saif161191
    @saif161191 9 ปีที่แล้ว

    awesome technique ... loved it

  • @MrBartleby451
    @MrBartleby451 9 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Amazing stuff, I wish was as clever as this.

  • @JonHeckendorf
    @JonHeckendorf 9 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Nice working prototype. Thanks for sharing. Just an idea, how about using the drying time to drill the holes in the pads. Should minimize any damage to the pads due to mechanical adhesion of the copper prior to the etching process while making for an even faster turn around time. Do it manually or automatically by replacing the ink pen with a Dremel tool or equivalent using the same CNC, eliminating any registration problems. Any problems with debris or anything else should be an easy engineering fix. Just a thought.

    • @dherrendoerfer
      @dherrendoerfer  9 ปีที่แล้ว

      I thought of that, but I ran into two problems, first: the nylon based drive can't handle the load, and I was not able to produce g-code with any tool that would allow to nest those commands into one nc program.

    • @JonHeckendorf
      @JonHeckendorf 9 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Dirk Herrendoerfer Dirk, thanks for responding. Yes, weight would be a factor unless a different drill motor is used if one exists or a different drive system is used. Maybe, a gear reduction setup for example? When I like something, I try to see the full potential of a project. That is just the engineer within me. Now, software is another issue, entirely. I see usefulness in your project. Parts being recycled instead of being thrown away into a land fill. I wrote this post for the world to see so someone would have better workarounds for you. You do not have to respond to this post.

  • @yeahitworks
    @yeahitworks 10 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I assume you are using a fishing line, instead of a toothed belt? I looks like you made a few loops around the stepper motor shaft, can you show more details how you rigged it up? Nice video by the way, hope to see more.

    • @dherrendoerfer
      @dherrendoerfer  10 ปีที่แล้ว

      It's nylon string rated at >50N. It is wound 4 times around the steppers motor shaft. There is no slippage, except when the pen holder runs into an end position, so it's ok to keep things from breaking. I saw this design back in the late 80s on a HP plotter. I am planning to make a video once I make my next PCBs, I'll try to get in some detail shots.

  • @daudwilliam8062
    @daudwilliam8062 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wooow...congratulations it's amazing

  • @py2wy408
    @py2wy408 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    hello, in the manufacture of the PCB the pen goes from the side of the track, how do I make the pen paint on top of the track. thank you

  • @techknowdroid8144
    @techknowdroid8144 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Beautifully simple engineering !! I have made a small CNC Pen plotter based on the mantis design, but your's simply blows everything else out of the water. I have a question though..... Will linear bearings like the LM8UU or the SC8UU (8mm) help in assisting & smoothening the motion or will they cause a drag, and slow down the gliding movement of the sled ? Thanks.

    • @dherrendoerfer
      @dherrendoerfer  7 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hello, thanks !
      No, linear bearing do improve the drag factor, 8mm ones are quite big an heavy though, the setup with the string is copied from several printer and plotter designs from the late 80s to mid 90s, this design was quite common.
      Cheers, Dirk

    • @techknowdroid8144
      @techknowdroid8144 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks for your insight. And Wishing you A Very Merry Christmas.

  • @avetiszakharyan
    @avetiszakharyan 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hey, awesome stuff, got inspired and built something similar. working on accuracy so far, but I had one question, what software you use to get g-code for your PCB design (and from what format you convert to g-code) What I do right now is, Fritzing to make PCB, then export to SVG, then with inkscape and gcodetools extension I output the Path Trace to g-code, but this get's no fill and circles look weird (non filled) so I assume you do it differently. Any advice? Thanks a lot!

    • @dherrendoerfer
      @dherrendoerfer  7 ปีที่แล้ว

      I use Eagle to make my PCBs, then use the HPGL output option. Then I use hp2xx to make g-code from HPGL. This works well.
      Also exporting gerber from any tool, and then using FlatCAM works ok too.

    • @avetiszakharyan
      @avetiszakharyan 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks! I'll try this flow during the weekend :)

  • @dherrendoerfer
    @dherrendoerfer  10 ปีที่แล้ว

    Its a Mega board with the 2560. It could well be anything else - it just needs 8 IOs for the steppers and one PWM for the servo. The cool thing is that it thinks that it is a full-on CNC machine, so I expect to re-use it a couple of times.

  • @valdirlima8778
    @valdirlima8778 9 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hello guys. Modifications to Python 3.4:
    from tkinter import *
    import serial
    import time
    import os
    # import tkMessageBox
    from tkinter import messagebox
    import tkinter
    from tkinter.filedialog import askopenfilename

  • @MultiBwee
    @MultiBwee 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hello Dirk , I recreate the plotter , aduino uno and ulm2003 motor drivers , 6 wire unipolar stepper motors and tower pro servo motor , on sending the g-code my motors just vibrate no movement

    • @dherrendoerfer
      @dherrendoerfer  6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Try to reduce the frequency the steps are sent to the stepper.

  • @ImaginationToForm
    @ImaginationToForm 9 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hello, Really neat project. I've seen your 3d printed one but I think I'll try it with wood first. I don't have any 5.25 floppy drives and didn't even see them on craigslist. Would the motors called nema 17 be good enough? Also do they have to be 4mm tubes? I've seen 1/8" rods sold at my lowes. I'm not sure how changes in motor and rods will change how the software.

    • @dherrendoerfer
      @dherrendoerfer  9 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      NEMA 17 is just the size, you would need unipolar NEMA 17 (6 wires). The software can be tuned to whatever rod and driver size you use.

    • @ImaginationToForm
      @ImaginationToForm 9 ปีที่แล้ว

      Ah. Thanks for info.

    • @jrundruud
      @jrundruud 9 ปีที่แล้ว

      Dirk Herrendoerfer Why are unipolar steppers necessary? I am asking this because I'd like to make a plotter myself, but I only have bipolars at the moment.. :)

    • @dherrendoerfer
      @dherrendoerfer  9 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      jrundruud Well, necessary in the way, that the controller I use only supports unipolar steppers right now, but that is mostly software and can be changed.

  • @raykent3211
    @raykent3211 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks a million Dirk! I've been wondering about doing something like this with an old ink-jet printer. Your suggestion for a good pen is worth a lot to me, because (years ago) I tried using pcb lacqueur pens (by hand) and the flow was a choice between drought or flood! Then I tried another permanent marker and the ink dissolved in the ferric chloride... A few questions, if you've got the time. What etchant do you use? Is the visible pulley belt fishing line (I wouldn't have imagined it would have enough grip). Can the software work with bit-maps "as is" or would I need to adapt it for that? Thanks again for showing that it can be done and to a good enough quality for me. And cheap!

    • @dherrendoerfer
      @dherrendoerfer  8 ปีที่แล้ว

      +Ray Kent Hi, here are the answers to your questions:
      1. I use sodiumpersulfate for etching.
      2. Yes it is fishing line. If you wind it three to four times around the stepper it will have enough grip.
      3. No the software is made to use vector instructions derived from hpgl (into g-code) I have not yet experimented with bitmaps.
      (But I suppose it is doable, if someone puts his mind to it.)

    • @raykent3211
      @raykent3211 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      Dirk Herrendoerfer thanks!

  • @marcinwrotny
    @marcinwrotny 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    oh man, amazing!

  • @pacocable
    @pacocable 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    ¿Como has construido el sistema de transmision de los carros x y? muchas gracias
    How did you build the car transmission system x and? thank you very much

  • @AlainJaramilloRuiz
    @AlainJaramilloRuiz 9 ปีที่แล้ว

    Excellent, nice work (Y), is amazing you idea to used a UV laser for photosensitive laquer, could you share your results ??

  • @peterpaul9040
    @peterpaul9040 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hello Dirk. Thank you for your video. Can you please explain how do you use laser for PCB milling? Can please explain what are those steps for making PCBs with this kind of laser? I suppose this is laser from DVD burner. Thank you for your answer. Chose

    • @dherrendoerfer
      @dherrendoerfer  7 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hello, I am not using the laser to mill a track into the copper, I am using it to expose it onto a photopositive layer on the PCB that then gets developed and etched later. The laser is a UV/blue one from china with 10mW.

  • @nelsondarwinpaktech3954
    @nelsondarwinpaktech3954 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    The best one among all the plotters,,,

  • @LucianoVeneziano
    @LucianoVeneziano 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Compliments!
    but could you show what software you used and how you came to plot?

    • @dherrendoerfer
      @dherrendoerfer  7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      It's all documented - there are links in the description of the video, note that this video is really old - nowadays I'd recommend using the design with a GRBL based controller. Everything else ist still the way it was back then.

    • @LucianoVeneziano
      @LucianoVeneziano 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@dherrendoerfer I said that badly.
      I would like to know the programs you used to create and finally plot the circuit. I have a CNC with the Z axis with nema 17.
      Thanks again.

    • @dherrendoerfer
      @dherrendoerfer  7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I use a tool called hp2xx that can turn hpgl documents into g-code. The circuit designs were done in Eagle EDA, that can produce the HPGL plotter files. A copy of hp2xx with nc support is in my repo - that is linked in the description of the video.

  • @RBSVader
    @RBSVader 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Very nice. I shoud make myself something like that.

  • @southpark4151
    @southpark4151 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Looks good. However, does the plotter measure the pen's pressure on the board? I'm thinking if the nib keeps getting compressed, then automatic adjustments of the pressure can help. But also, the nib's shape could change a bit over time too. Also, once the etching is done, the drilling of holes must be done manually, right?

    • @dherrendoerfer
      @dherrendoerfer  7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yes, you need to drill yourself. I use a 15 gram weight on the pen to have the correct pressure on the pen tip, that works well, and the pen tip does not seem to mind. In fact I had a pen run dry before the tip showed wear. Only doing over the PCM edge and back will do damage to the tip.

    • @southpark4151
      @southpark4151 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks Dirk. What you did was really impressive. Really nicely done.

  • @Crazymakers
    @Crazymakers 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    HI friend,
    Which software do you use to generate your g-code?
    I perfectly know how to generate contours, but it seems you know of to fill certain contours!
    Thanks ^^

  • @christianbacher2698
    @christianbacher2698 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hello Dirk,
    great! I was trying to use a 3D printer for this. However, failed due to the wrong pen (the ink got etched away).
    What "brand" do you use?
    Is the pen moving down by "gravity"? Does this not lead to a "blob" when the pen hits the PCB board?
    Do you use GBRL for controlling the stepper and servo?
    Thanks.

    • @dherrendoerfer
      @dherrendoerfer  8 ปีที่แล้ว

      +Christian Bacher Hello, I use Staedtler Lumocolor permanent pens. They are in fact gravity driven. I made a holder for 3D Printers (see my other videos) that can be fitted to any 3D printer, and will work with them. The pens inc dries instantly, so there are almost no pen-down blobs.

  • @daserstereichen
    @daserstereichen 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    You are a maker :D Inspiring!

  • @Dancopymus
    @Dancopymus 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hi friend, in the files you shared in version 4, are different materials used from version 3? Or are other materials added? Thanks

  • @abhishekverma1977
    @abhishekverma1977 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    hello it is very amazing, pls tell me how to tie strings and do you use bearing at another end.

    • @dherrendoerfer
      @dherrendoerfer  7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I just do two revolutions on the stepper shaft, tie it at the carriage, and then add another revolution on the shaft.Yes there is a bearing on the other side.

  • @juancarlosalcuri3058
    @juancarlosalcuri3058 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Muy ingenioso. Felicitaciones!!!

  • @amauryoliveira7311
    @amauryoliveira7311 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Friend Dirk Herrendorf, could post the measurements of this first cnc of wood that you did, I'm sure it would satisfy the taste of many who are following your videos, because we do not have a 3D printer to print the pieces. Congratulations on the beautiful design of the CNC. Grateful

  • @ChicoAguiar
    @ChicoAguiar 8 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    O cara é bom !!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • @fazzah777
    @fazzah777 10 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'm simply amazed :) Not only this works great, but is so mesmerizing to watch :) Please tell me, have you tried printing some finer SMD footprints? Like TQFP32 for example.

    • @dherrendoerfer
      @dherrendoerfer  10 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes I have tried, but success was not mine. 0.4mm is the minimal line width I come up with, 0.22 to 0.3 would be required for TQFP32. If only there was a 0.2mm refillable ball point pen that would accept the Staedtler ink - all would be great.
      0805 Type SMD works ok though ....

    • @fazzah777
      @fazzah777 10 ปีที่แล้ว

      Dirk Herrendoerfer Hmm, bad news :) I've looked on the Staedtler website and unfortunately they don't have anything in sub-0.4 width. Maybe some other suppliers. Schwan-Stabilo comes to mind, I'll have a look.
      Also, one other question: why are your traces 90 degree straight? ;)

    • @fazzah777
      @fazzah777 10 ปีที่แล้ว

      Dirk Herrendoerfer
      check this out: www.stabilo.com/com/p/stabilo-sensor. Maybe worth trying? ;) I wonder how good coverage the ink provides...

  • @suyog44
    @suyog44 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Please share the DIY steps. So that we can also try such a great CNC machine.

  • @tiwar87
    @tiwar87 9 ปีที่แล้ว

    Excellent work .. Keep Going Sir. So just let me ask you what you need to know to do this project, i mean, i guess you are a mechatronic engineering but if somebody who doesnt know about mechanics (Im electronic eng and i dont know nothing about mechanics parts), it is possible to do this project by myself without this knowledges?

    • @dherrendoerfer
      @dherrendoerfer  9 ปีที่แล้ว

      I suppose so - I know my mechanics from LEGO, and I work as a programmer. So I guess you are probably better qualified than I am.

    • @tiwar87
      @tiwar87 9 ปีที่แล้ว

      Dirk Herrendoerfer haha thanks for the info colleague. Keep doing the good work..

  • @ElectronDust
    @ElectronDust 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    very Impressive. Nice work!

  • @ElectronFunCom
    @ElectronFunCom 10 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Wow, you made something very useful out of computer junk. Haven't you think about substituting the marker with a Dremel like tool and converting your plotter into a CNC milling machine?

  • @viswesh713
    @viswesh713 9 ปีที่แล้ว

    great project sir...

  • @DiscoverRajivVlogs
    @DiscoverRajivVlogs 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    super cool homemade machine can u tell me how you made linear bearing for this.

    • @dherrendoerfer
      @dherrendoerfer  7 ปีที่แล้ว

      There are no linear bearings - a carbon tube over a brass rod acts like a linear bushing.

  • @MrMendelsson
    @MrMendelsson 9 ปีที่แล้ว

    hi, Dirk, congratulations for your work , I wanted to know what software you use to turn the pcb in gcode. thanks

    • @dherrendoerfer
      @dherrendoerfer  9 ปีที่แล้ว

      I use a command-line tool called hp2xx to turn hpgl into g-code.

  • @pranavjain7822
    @pranavjain7822 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    hi dirk i just wanted to know that mecahnism that you have used to slide the thread ? which part is attached at the end of the x axis so that the thread keeps od moving the pen?

    • @dherrendoerfer
      @dherrendoerfer  7 ปีที่แล้ว

      The carriage is made of 2 pieces of carbon tube around the brass rod, it is connected to the stepper and a bearing on the other side with a piece of nylon (fishing line) that is attaced only to the carriage. To get enough force on the nylon is wound around stepper a couple of times.

  • @erezhillel9627
    @erezhillel9627 9 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    hello sir great job can you send information about how to build one and what is the software you are using i want to build one

    • @dherrendoerfer
      @dherrendoerfer  9 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hello, thank you. There is a link in the description of the video that leads to a github repository where all the information I have is stored.

  • @phantomegr
    @phantomegr 10 ปีที่แล้ว

    Dear Dirk,
    Very good project there. I try to make a similar one, and of course I need some info. For example, what kind of driver do you use for your motors? I currently use direct l298 (meaning not coupled with a l297). Do you run a modified version of gcode interpreter (the arduino firmware)? I searched around and those that I found have very strict support for step/dir interface. So servo is out of question and direct l298 too..

    • @dherrendoerfer
      @dherrendoerfer  10 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hi, I am using unipolar steppers with ULN2004A as a driver, I suppose yours are bipolar steppers. I started out using rsteppercontroller as a basis for my g-code interpreter on arduino, but I strung my own together using the arduino stepper library (that I updated for half-step use).

    • @phantomegr
      @phantomegr 10 ปีที่แล้ว

      Dirk Herrendoerfer I did strip down and rewrite the stepper_control.c of the reprap gcode interpreter yesterday to make it compatible with my setup. It did work nicely, although I really believe that the step/dir interface is more efficient, and my intention is to move to that setup eventually. My steppers are bipolar, 19kg.cm torque. It must be overkill for such small cnc but I used them because they are the only available I currently have :D (I already ordered some 2.9kg.cm).
      Actually I did the same thing, I converted the gcode interpreter to use the stepper library that comes with arduino (updated to use half step!). Although the setup with 19kg.cm doesn't really need half step, I did not use nylon string, I used ballscrew, and of course nothing is perfect so I had a lot of friction. So, half step! :D
      I also change a lot of code to account for the servo. It's working now :D
      I found a small python program for converting Gerber files to gcode, pyGerber2Gcode. It did work nicely. Which one are you using? (btw, I used KiCAD to produce my first gerber :D )

    • @dherrendoerfer
      @dherrendoerfer  10 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      phantomegr I use Eagle to make the board files, then export to HPGL. After that I use hp2xx to convert to g-code.
      I made a vid of the whole workflow, the link is in the video description of this video.
      I have the crazy idea of building a second version of this plotter around a hole in the base, so it can be used as a stereolithographic 3D printer.

    • @phantomegr
      @phantomegr 10 ปีที่แล้ว

      Dirk Herrendoerfer
      I would like to see that!
      I have a working prototype by now, of a modified version of the plotter on the video. It's working but needs a lot of tweaking in order to actually print something useful on pcb. That's because I thought it was a good idea to buy a thick marker pen so that I wouldn't get blanks inside tracks. Well, that failed because even though the lines where really filled with color, it is so thick that tracks nearly touch each other.
      Also I used screw threaded rod which is a good idea, generally, but for this kind of work present two difficulties. First, it's freaking slow! Except of course if you power your steppers with something like 48v, but around 18 volts my l298 are getting really hot in a matter of seconds, which is expected, so I stick with 9v supply.
      Second, it is too hard to get straight lines! I mean the nut of the threaded rod was less than 1deg inclined the moment I closed it in two plastic casings and that produces a tension (a pretty big one) near the left limit of the Y axis which kinda limits me to half the board.
      So, after I try a smaller marker (and actually print it's own driver circuit, because now it runs on a solderless board) I will definitely use fishing line.

    • @dherrendoerfer
      @dherrendoerfer  10 ปีที่แล้ว

      phantomegr Sounds very good - how about some pictures on g+ ?

  • @DavidALovingMPF102
    @DavidALovingMPF102 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Amazed at your intelligence. I am trying to get same results by this summer. Laser has not arrived. USAF could really use you.

  • @lancermiragelDohcg
    @lancermiragelDohcg 9 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hi I am trying to recreate this project. Thank you very much for your work and for sharing it.
    I still can't understand what the laser does?

    • @dherrendoerfer
      @dherrendoerfer  9 ปีที่แล้ว

      The laser can be used on PCBs with photopositive coating - you can use it to carve out a circuit like engraving machines do. The spots the laser hits are later removed by the etchant.

    • @vecchiocuore1986
      @vecchiocuore1986 9 ปีที่แล้ว

      Dirk Herrendoerfer Excellent job.. Well done buddy :)
      I am looking at building a similar system with some minor modifications, mainly controlling the motors directly from a PC through USB.
      I am curious about the laser part of your system, is my below reasoning correct?
      The laser beam traverses the entire copper sheet, while doing so, the exposed copper (i.e. with no markings) gets weakened. When the board is dipped in acid/etchant the weakened copper parts get dissolved.

    • @dherrendoerfer
      @dherrendoerfer  9 ปีที่แล้ว

      vecchiocuore1986 Well, no. There is a coating of clear paint on the copper, When this paint is exposed to UV light it breaks down chemically. It must then first be dipped into a developing agent that will make the exposed, weakened paint come off. After that the board is put into the etching agent, that removes the copper from the parts that were exposed, developed, and removed previously.

    • @vecchiocuore1986
      @vecchiocuore1986 9 ปีที่แล้ว

      Great.. Thanks for your quick reply :)

  • @rimmersbryggeri
    @rimmersbryggeri 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have been toying with the idea that an old citizen printiva printer that is made to take very thinck print media and is ribbon based might be good for printing PCB's. It's also very accurate since it prints each color separately.

    • @dherrendoerfer
      @dherrendoerfer  8 ปีที่แล้ว

      +rimmersbryggeri That's probably worth trying out .

  • @takuya7523
    @takuya7523 9 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    That's cool man.

  • @diegogoujon
    @diegogoujon 10 ปีที่แล้ว

    hello! excelent job! which software you use to design the PCB circuit? What then transformed to G code? What software you use for that?
    Thanks

    • @dherrendoerfer
      @dherrendoerfer  10 ปีที่แล้ว

      It's Eagle for the layout, and hp2xx for the g-code.

    • @hellboy8677able
      @hellboy8677able 10 ปีที่แล้ว

      Dirk Herrendoerfer hi dirk,
      what do u mean by hp2xx? I have a reprap 3D printer and it runs using Arduino mega and Pololu stepper drivers, im looking for a way to print pcb layout using it, but I cant find any good software to convert my PCB layout to G-code :(
      worst of all most of the apps have this python thingi, what is it and how can I get it to work? sorry for asking u soo many things, just reply if u feel like it ignore and forgive me if its a stupid comment that's been posted already :C
      regards

    • @dherrendoerfer
      @dherrendoerfer  10 ปีที่แล้ว

      Jim Jose hp2xx is the Name of a tool, that will transform hpgl to g-code (among other formats), so you can now Export your layout to hpgl, and hp2xx will make the gcode.
      The python thing is nothing but the most commonly used programming language for multi-platform scripting today. But I suspect you dont Need it, because your 3D printer, along with a pen holder will do fine for you, even using the default software tools.

    • @hellboy8677able
      @hellboy8677able 10 ปีที่แล้ว

      Dirk Herrendoerfer ohh :) thnx
      abt python i think ill start studying it :D ,I heard that raspberry pi has something to do with python, and im gona get one soon :D

  • @timhofstetter5654
    @timhofstetter5654 ปีที่แล้ว

    Which pens? I'm ready to do it now, but there are hundreds or thousands of different pens out there to test and discard.
    You and one other guy obviously both use some sort of Staedtler pens, but which ones mark copper well and resist etching?

    • @dherrendoerfer
      @dherrendoerfer  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Staedtler Lumocolor Permanent. Black and red work best. Also Edding 3000 fineliner black.

    • @timhofstetter5654
      @timhofstetter5654 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@dherrendoerfer Excellent! Thank you very much! 8) 8) 8)

  • @mashersmasher
    @mashersmasher 10 ปีที่แล้ว

    what software did you use? also what controller?

  • @edgarrodriguez-tv1vf
    @edgarrodriguez-tv1vf 9 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hola disculpa bro podrias asesorarme como programar el arduino para poder ejecutar los codigos g y m? y como se elaboro el programa pa cargar los codigos

  • @MariusDiMaio
    @MariusDiMaio 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hello Dirk, where can i to found the project? I would like to make any of the same. I use always the kubuntu; i like it.
    Thanks

    • @dherrendoerfer
      @dherrendoerfer  7 ปีที่แล้ว

      Most of the technical stuff is documented in my github repo (link at the bottom of the video description) - The table layout
      is up to you, as I was just using leftover junk. There are plans for 3D printed versions of this design, that you can use to take measurements from.

  • @sicarii_Tactica
    @sicarii_Tactica 10 ปีที่แล้ว

    What version of arduino are you using for the control board?

  • @Nonexister1
    @Nonexister1 10 ปีที่แล้ว

    DO you plan on posting the instruction for this anywhere? I would like to try my hand at building one.

  • @infotec2254
    @infotec2254 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Congratulations!
    How much did you spend to build this cnc?
    What is the name of this laser piece that burns the plate?

    • @dherrendoerfer
      @dherrendoerfer  6 ปีที่แล้ว

      This was al l just stuff that I had laying around, so very little was actually spent. The laser is a module from a purple laser pointer, it does not burn anything, it just exposes UV sensitized board with UV light.

  • @DonPedro6901
    @DonPedro6901 9 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks a lot! This is really AWESOME!
    :-)

  • @stanislasnguimatsa2555
    @stanislasnguimatsa2555 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    hello hello I am new in the Arduino forgiveness that she/it is the procedure to achieve it thank you for advance

  • @servalente66
    @servalente66 9 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Excellent - Nice and easy - Keep going

  • @Lvvcassss
    @Lvvcassss 9 ปีที่แล้ว

    With running times over half hour and fan blowing do you have problems with the pen tip drying?

    • @dherrendoerfer
      @dherrendoerfer  9 ปีที่แล้ว

      ***** Only once, when half of the board was blackened. It works good with those pens, they have some sort of drying out protection.

  • @RogerioLeite
    @RogerioLeite 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi! How controler knows the zero x,y point if don´t have any sensor to detect the end position?

    • @dherrendoerfer
      @dherrendoerfer  7 ปีที่แล้ว

      The control software moves the pen into the lowest left corner of the build platform. Since the nylon will eventually slip on the drive shaft it simply does this by force. It then resets it's position to 0.0 and waits for commands. This feature can be enabled in the source code.

    • @RogerioLeite
      @RogerioLeite 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you!!!!

  • @BassheadMusicConnoisseur
    @BassheadMusicConnoisseur 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    wow,very well done

  • @spgilmorespgilmore
    @spgilmorespgilmore 9 ปีที่แล้ว

    How does the software know how many steps per unit of distance? If I use a different motor, how to do I tell it there are 0.8 steps per degree, or that 360 degrees of rotation translates to 1.3cm of travel? Is it the G-code generator or the Arduino sketch which translates distance units into motor steps?

    • @dherrendoerfer
      @dherrendoerfer  9 ปีที่แล้ว

      No, you need to make a small change in the firmware for that. The firmware uses steps per millimeter as a settting for each axis, so you can use three different steppers, or have a different drive setup per axis. The same is also true for the maximum speeds per stepper.

  • @arquitectronico
    @arquitectronico 8 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Excellent work! Instead of the pen why don´t use a original head inkjet printer? I mean to achieve more accuracy!! (sorry if my idea sounds impossible!! i know just a little bit about hardware and electronics) But excellent work!!! you´re a genius!!!

    • @dherrendoerfer
      @dherrendoerfer  8 ปีที่แล้ว

      +arquitectronico Thanks ! Your idea sounds pretty cool - but I also have no clue as to how that could be done.

  • @DeepestDungeon
    @DeepestDungeon 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    so awesome, man.

  • @marcelodeandradelacerda5391
    @marcelodeandradelacerda5391 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Amigo vc tem como postar um vídeo com a montagem desta CNC Plotter completa para nos.
    Ou enviar via e-mail o projeto.

  • @khaledalhalabi9028
    @khaledalhalabi9028 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    You are amazing man.

  • @johnrossie2215
    @johnrossie2215 9 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi Sir Dirk,
    Are you familiar with grbl? I am still researching for my CNC machine where it involves sdcard loaded with G-Code. I've read that grbl can make it possible. Do you have any idea about that sir? or have you tried using a sdcard as an input to your machine?

    • @dherrendoerfer
      @dherrendoerfer  9 ปีที่แล้ว

      No, sorry I have never used grbl. I have up to now only read about it, but since it does not use the Arduino IDE I stayed away from it since it will not work with my builds.

    • @johnrossie2215
      @johnrossie2215 9 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Oh well, maybe I will just use PC-based CNC, I think your codes are easier to understand than the grbl something2x. Are all the codes you have use in that video can be found in the link you have provided sir?

    • @dherrendoerfer
      @dherrendoerfer  9 ปีที่แล้ว

      John Rossie Everything is in there or goes in there - it's kind of a backup for me.

    • @johnrossie2215
      @johnrossie2215 9 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you sir. (Y)

  • @juanaisabelmendezgarduno4351
    @juanaisabelmendezgarduno4351 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi Dirk.
    I am tring you project. With nano arduino and V1 uCNC controller.
    Using motorMode = 1.
    While steppers 1 and 2 run ok. They move well with G00 X10, G00 X-10, G00 Y10, G00 Y-10 commands.
    I have problemm with servo connected to port 12. After power on/reset it runs forever.
    For troubleshooting: I have exchange pin 13 with pin 12 [ changed lines myServo.attach(13), led=12] now servo is connected to pin 13 with same results, it always run. It looks like is looking for a end position switch.
    LED at pin 13 is always on too.
    Any suggestion please?
    Best regards.

    • @dherrendoerfer
      @dherrendoerfer  8 ปีที่แล้ว

      +Isabel Méndez Garduño Hello, it could be that your servo is broken, or it is the wrong type (continuous motion). You need a steering type servo (from a RC car, for example.)
      Best regards, Dirk

    • @juanaisabelmendezgarduno4351
      @juanaisabelmendezgarduno4351 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      +Dirk Herrendoerfer . Danke Dirk. You were right I was using a continuos motion sm-s4303r servo. I changed to hd1160a servo. Now it works great. Even I think is too weak to move any pen + spring.
      Any one you recommend?
      So far I just connected bipolar steppers motors and servo on breadboard. I will hack a old Moto shield adafruit V1.0 to drive bipolar stepper motors, removing IC 74HCT595 and wiring ports 8,9,10,11, 4,5,6,7 to L293D input. Same for 12 and 13 Ports.
      Does the firmware V1 uCNC supports 45 ° traces?
      Danke sehr.

    • @dherrendoerfer
      @dherrendoerfer  8 ปีที่แล้ว

      +Isabel Méndez Garduño I use the cheap SG90 servos to other 9mm steppers, a pen usually needs no more than 20g of weight to work properly. Yes lines at any angles are supported.

  • @yurif74
    @yurif74 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    that's very impressive man! i want one! do the software directly print "eagle" files?
    i wuld build one, i think i will use a printer mechanics to build one axis :)

    • @dherrendoerfer
      @dherrendoerfer  8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      +yurif74 Sounds like a good idea, there are a number of ways to go from eagle to g-code, I go with the HPGL processor method.