Is Elizabeth Holmes a Misunderstood Super-Intelligent Victim? | Theranos CEO Sentencing Analysis
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Tried to join the me too movement to get a lighter sentence. Got pregnant to delay sentencing. Married a rich man to assure she’d be rich for the rest of her life. Having baby with rich man for the same reason. Just a classic manipulator.
Fairly typical behavior. Add on to that when she was a rising star she was a “strong and independent self made female billionaire”.
Then when she got caught, she blamed everything on her boyfriend.
I agree with you 100%
shrewdness and cunning. master manipulator.
Its so painfully obvious it's even more painful that there are people who can't understand this and keep defending her. I think among the mental health professionals they are known as simps but I'm not a specialist in the field, maybe Dr. Grande could chip in. In any case it's really evil to have not just one but two childs knowing you are going to prison. Way to raise the children.
@@godfreyofbouillon966 used to getting away with wrong. Always the victim .
Saying Elizabeth Holmes is "misunderstood" is like saying Jeffrey Dahmar had an "eating disorder".
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True that
Couldn’t have put it better myself!!!
Uncle Jeff the cannibal chef 👨🍳
Not exactly. We know that he killed and ate people.
It is more complicated with Elizabeth and Sunni. The depth of culpability and intent requires examination.
She knew exactly what she was doing. Anytime someone covers up suspected wrongdoing that means that person knows exactly what they are doing.
Or anytime they blatantly evade a question regarding "how can you end NordStream2 if it is under German control"?
@@Torgo1969 and now everyone knows you are an absolute dumbass, congrats 🎉
@@ocoolwow Rude!
I think she knew what she was doing but whether she knew how egregious is debatable. Some people think this is how business works, no ethics, profit is all that matters. Especially in heavily capitalist societies like the US. I'd say there are very few billionaires in the US who have made their money without some extremely unethical behaviour.
@@nathrogers7 There are zero billionaires in the entire world that earned their money completely cleanly
She was a "Strong and Powerful Woman " while running her con . She gets busted and all of the sudden she is just a poor little girl , manipulated by a big bad man.
I think her narcissism was abundantly clear when she first decided - as an undergrad - that the reason the blood test of her dreams didn't exist was that the entire medical community was incapable of producing it.
Yes! 👏🏻
Agree completely! I'm an analytical chemist and when I first heard of this I was scratching my head. This is impossible was my only thought. Where was the peer review, where was the scrutiny. She's tarnished my science and set back investment in legitimate technologies. I'm pulling for 20 years.
Yup
@@MookyChemist i'm a non-analytical chemist and i knew it was bullshit lies from the start.
Exactly!
She is not a victim. She is manipulative predator. Denial is the first and most important practice of predators that want to believe they are above the law and refute or absolve any guilt. It is particularly egregious when people who know very well what is wrong and do it anyways. That said, everyone knows abusing people, and position are always wrong. It is why officers turn off their mics and cameras. Authorities teach predators very well.
It's important that Elizabeth's work to get letters of support and play the victim is just a cold attempt to manipulate the system once more. Narcissists never stop trying to manipulate even to the very end.
I think it was abc news doc on her a while back but it was amazing the amount of defending of this woman that was going on. I cant remember who the man was but he really backed this 'she was a victim of the system' idea. Firmly made me believe she could leave jail, bat her eye lids and some of these old rich dudes would empty their pockets for her all over again
EH seems to take no/little accountability & seems unapologetic, IMO.
agreed elizabeth holmes is an abomination and shrewdness and cunning used her appearance as a BWB to obtain astonishing amounts of money. she is a predator first and foremost!
@@cht2162
Imo: she's rather homely. Droopy eyelids, kind of a sad dog face. She's SO smart, yet facing jail time? Seems like an oxymoron 2 me.
The movie let her off the hook in so many ways. It portrayed her as sort of a naive, well intentioned aspirational person. She was a con artist, straight up.
They never hold their own accountable whatever the group representation.
You're tearing me apart Lisa!!
Do you mean the TV show on Hulu? Her reaction to the Stephen Fry character dying was that he couldn't testify about the patents now. This man had been her
friend and early supporter and even Sunny was shocked by this reaction. So I don't think they made her like you say. The fact that she was very careful to keep
her relationship to Sunny so secret wasn't naive. It was so she could keep manipulating all those rich old men with her wide eyed, virginal, lost little lamb act.
Perhaps you are talking about a different portrayal of her that I haven't seen.
Which movie?
she was evil
Let’s not forget how she orchestrated terrorizing the 2 whistleblowers. She had them followed, scared them, caused them huge financial problems. She knew exactly what she was doing, all along!
The worst part of this was the patients whose lab values were erroneous. Health care decisions can be impacted, disorders missed or misdiagnosed, and whether or not to even give a medication or alter the amount can occur with false lab results. That is very dangerous for the patient, and so much worse than rich investors losing money.
Yes! This was mentioned in a TED talk with Erika Cheung, a former theranos employee/ whistle blower
@@grapeskunk4003 Yes: likely many Theranos blood-draw patients, e.g., knowingly or not with blood cancer and/or CKD, have needlessly big sickened and died as a result of her grossly reckless fraud and moral turpitude. Her alleged redeeming personal character traits (charm, blah blah blah bamboozle windowdressing) and/or past own victimhoods are irrelevant and immaterial to her intentional gross damage to her victims' health, lives, finances and relationships. Demerits a minimum of 20 years in prison. And she should literally pay monetary compensatory damages for her shilled and marketed medical-device malpractice and any and all personal injuries and wrongful deaths it caused.
They used third party laboratory companies for patients, not their own fake devices. They didn’t work, that’s what the scam was is that investors thought they were using their own device.
that is one of the only aggravating factors I actually see. That is a valid point.
I went to Stanford and always regretted not dropping out. Holmes is a hero on campus. Everyone reverses her and holds her in the highest esteem. I hope she starts up again and I would love to work for her. I imagine one day you won't even have to submit ANY blood to have a diagnosis done. Holmes is a hero.
My thoughts as an engineer. The product she claimed to be developing required the collaboration of multiple engineers and scientists. Yet, she forced them to work in isolation from each other. This is not the actions of someone trying to innovate, but of a fraudster trying to keep everyone in the dark.
I went to Stanford and always regretted not dropping out. Holmes is a hero on campus. Everyone reverses her and holds her in the highest esteem. I hope she starts up again and I would love to work for her. I imagine one day you won't even have to submit ANY blood to have a diagnosis done. Holmes is a hero.
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As someone that dated a grandiose narcissist, it's amazing how perfect they actually believe they are. It's as if they're gods among us with their only failings due to others or, in rare cases, their own "conscious" choice to fail (they needed a "break" or decided they "didn't want to succeed") at something. It's truly pathological to society.
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What was the attraction? Great sex at least? Or Bait and switch?
@@robertgiles9124 ^^^
Yes, we’ve all known a few. It’s a shame she went this route ; the world needs all the legit female geniuses we can get.
@@cht2162 oddly specific.....
As a medical technologist who works in a hospital lab, that any science type believed that her tiny box instrument could run all those labs is laughable.
Come for the mental health analysis, stay for the biting humor. Thank you again, Dr. Grande, for finding the comedy in these cases. You can almost make someone with a personality disorder. bearable.
so true.
I went to Stanford and always regretted not dropping out. Holmes is a hero on campus. Everyone reverses her and holds her in the highest esteem. I hope she starts up again and I would love to work for her. I imagine one day you won't even have to submit ANY blood to have a diagnosis done. Holmes is a hero.
It’s important to thank the whistleblowers, Tyler Shultz and Erika Cheung, for putting ethics first. Its hard to imagine how many others would’ve received improper care if this went on.
I remember people were describing her as a Chemical Engineering student who dropped out college, but only went for one year. What classes have you taken a year in? English? Chemistry 1? Calculus maybe?
That's about right.
Those who tend toward narcissistic traits often try to convince people they are natural savants and need no training in an area they claim they come naturally to -- they are often actually convinced that they are natural savants. My father is a very intelligent, learned man. But he is no savant. He claims to be a natural musician and has cut an album, saying each song was composed in a single take while performing it. A cursory listen by any musician dispels his musical savantism. He writes to Oprah, Peter Jackson, politicians, scientists, sending them his expert opinions, which he claims they take and implement. He tells people he invented e-mail and claims the "e" doesn't mean "electronic", but rather is the last syllable of his nickname. He decided when he turned 60 that he was going to be accepted to the law program at Harvard and then with his Master in Law in hand, would go right to the Senate and fix everything. Harvard didn't accept him (although he says he decided to withdraw his application because he was so busy with other learned things). It would just be sad, but growing up under him was an absolute nightmare as he would resort to rages, abuse, silent treatment, suicide-posturing, if we didn't meet his idea of perfection. It's telling that on the back of his car he has written "Remember Me".
@@haltersweb you should write a book on your father, I was fascinated just reading that paragraph lol
@@haltersweb Damn, that must have been really crappy having to deal with that throughout life.
@@haltersweb Wow.
She pulled the old "have a baby during bond" trick to try and get sympathy knowing full well that she will miss many important years of it's life. Woman who give birth as a tactic and use baby's as tools disgust me. That rich husband of hers must be a pathetic simp.
Prolly going to be her last chance to have a child if she gets major time. Which she should.
Right!? Amber Heard did the same. Good ol' Chicago trick.
SO true! I have absolutely no respect for her, she is a horrible human being (not sure if I can even call her human). She doesn’t deserve leniency that is for sure! I think it’s pathetic that she has all of these people begging for her in court. Even if she only gets 15 years she will have missed all of the most important years in her child’s life. True sociopathic narcissist to the core!
Is Elizabeth Holmes a Misunderstood Super-Intelligent Victim??? Or is she a MAN BABY!😝😝😝😝
Exactly! I hope they throw the book at her and don’t go to easy on her just because she so conveniently got pregnant during her trial. 🙄
The name Theranos has always reminded me of Thanatos, the Greek god/personification of Death. Thanatos was son of Nyx (goddess of night) and brother of Hypnos (god of sleep). I often wonder how many people who put their faith in Theranos "blood tests" would have received an early visit from Thanatos himself.
As a Greek I agree it’s a horrible name
They will endure only until it pleases the implacable Moirai to break the thread.
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I went to Stanford and always regretted not dropping out. Holmes is a hero on campus. Everyone reverses her and holds her in the highest esteem. I hope she starts up again and I would love to work for her. I imagine one day you won't even have to submit ANY blood to have a diagnosis done. Holmes is a hero.
I really feel badly for Ian Gibbons who was actually an honest hardworking good scientist who was driven to commit suicide by the bullying and manipulation of Elizabeth and Sunny. They also terrorized the whistleblowers through using legal heavyweights and stalking/intimidation. I don’t have sympathy for Elizabeth or sunny for doing those things.
I went to Stanford and always regretted not dropping out. Holmes is a hero on campus. Everyone reverses her and holds her in the highest esteem. I hope she starts up again and I would love to work for her. I imagine one day you won't even have to submit ANY blood to have a diagnosis done. Holmes is a hero.
@@beckydoesit9331 This is sarcasm, right?
@@beckydoesit9331 😂
I find it fascinating that at least one jury member stated that the jury really liked her and found her personable, but this did not make her believable.
That's not fascinating at all, just goes to show how dumb the jury was, especially since they know what she was doing behind the scenes. At least they got the verdict right though.
@@ocoolwow It doesn't make the jury dumb. Narcissists can be charming, likeable people, at least superficially.
The power of a pretty face.
@@Magnulus76 Yupp, and ppl who have never been around a narcissistic sociopath won’t be able to tell they’re being manipulated. I was raised with one and honestly my brother could start a cult the way he’s able to charm and get ppl to believe the bs he comes up with. He’s the reason I don’t trust nor believe anyone fully. The trick is they mix lies with a few truths to make it sound extremely believable. I lived with him. So I would catch him in his lies all the time. And stories ppl would say he told them wouldn’t match up with what actually happened. And when you called him out on it, he would blow tf up and basically get violent with you for not believing his fantasy. This is why he can’t keep friends. And the ones he does keep are loners who have no one else.
Psychopaths can be quite personable!
What astonishes me is that Theranos was started with machines that didn’t work from the get go………and yet Elizabeth had the nerve to go ahead knowing it was a complete sham.
Most people today have back stories of some sort of abuse or trauma, yet they do not defraud people of millions. Denial and claiming victimhood are always the first reaction when narcissists or psychopaths are held accountable.
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Such a good point
I went to Stanford and always regretted not dropping out. Holmes is a hero on campus. Everyone reverses her and holds her in the highest esteem. I hope she starts up again and I would love to work for her. I imagine one day you won't even have to submit ANY blood to have a diagnosis done. Holmes is a hero.
A hero of what kind.. maybe a vampire
@@juditlow7621 Well said.
What’s more narcissistic than getting pregnant twice during a trial that you could go away for a long time.
Poor Elizabeth, how about poor Tyler Schultz and anyone else who stood up to her and she sued them into oblivion and ruined their lives
I'm far less sympathetic towards Tyler Schultz, given his heritage he was always going to be OK, it's the others, like Erika Cheung who are real heroes, she did not have a trust fund to fall back on.
@@desoliver9712 being a hero is not predicated on whether or not you have an inheritance. You dont know if he has a trust fund, but even if it did, its irrelevant as to whether or not hes a hero. If a purple heart veteran has a trust fund, he's not less of a hero. It is true to say you're 'worse off' if your life is ruined AND your parents are poor. But you used the phrase, "real heros". Dont be so mad at rich people. Tyler was suicidal, money is NOT everything. To him, its meaningless. The pursuit of truth and helping others is. Trust funds do not apply.
@@inlyst Dear oh dear. Firstly, no one has claimed that you cannot be wealthy and do something heroic. A veteran is a *very* bad example because sacrificing one's life cannot be cushioned by the fact that you have money.
The threat to whistle-blowers in this instance was financial, which separates someone like Erika Cheung (who was reliant on her job at Tharenos) from Schultz who was given a paid internship simply through nepotism, his employment was not earned in the same way to begin with.
It was in fact Cheung's actions that closed down the labs and it was Cheung who convinced Schultz that Tharenous' practices were unethical.
Schultz has since gone on to sell his story and capitalise on his fame post-Tharernos saga more than any of the whistle-blowers. He ultimately went on to do the right thing, sure, and that's good but it's hardly heroic.
@@desoliver9712 Cheung is capitalizing on this as well, as they both should. She's done ted talks, she gets paid for her media appearances and her advisory roles, her non-profit is raking in donations.
But anyway, purple hearts are awarded to vets wounded in action, not just those who "gave their life" as you chose to frame it. Vets often face tremendous financial and healthcare related issues, but if a vet has financial cushioning, while that's helpful, it doesn't make the purple heart any less heroic. So the analogy stands I'm afraid.
The argument that financial risk separates Cheung's heroism from Schultz's is invalid in every way. Firstly, Schultz's legal fees DEPLETED their savings. Are you aware of this? That they were going to have to sell the house? You seem to think they were super rich. No, not even close.
Don't be such a bitter person. Tyler had to put immense financial pressure on his parents, ignore everyone close to him telling him to keep quiet, and a grandfather who did not approve of his actions. He fell into a deep depression and still managed to do the right thing. It's pretty vile to suggest he is "Hardly heroic". Nepotism? He was a STANFORD biology grad. Do you not realize that 99% of jobs and internships are the result of networking? It's not a bad thing that his grandfather pointed out to a medical diagnostics CEO that his grandson would graduate from STANFORD. Hardly nepotism, more like the kind of common sense conversation and networking everyone does every day.
Her concept was ridiculous. I'm a nurse and could immediately see how absolutely insanely dumb this idea of a drop of blood to measure everything is.
How does being a nurse tell you that?
@@eadweard. not exactly hard to make a connection.
@@oscara8454 You'd need to be more specific really.
@@eadweard. make a wild guess.
@@oscara8454 These are just empty phrases unfortunately.
"Wasn't going to let reality get in the way" 🤣
"Her narcissism was contagious" 🤣🤣🤣
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Is Elizabeth Holmes a Misunderstood Super-Intelligent Victim???
No she is not.
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She knew that patients might be HARMED and did not care!
just so you know I'm not diagnosing anybody in this video because this one is beyond the reach of the DSM
Thank you. Now I dont have to watch this video!
maybe not super-intelligent, but she's definitely a first class bullsh***er
@@christopherlewis1315 but you'll miss the jokes....
Scathing analysis, which was wonderfully delightful. Thank you for these videos, Dr. Grande!
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“I think it’s important that the court grant her this incredibly opportunity to make amends.” 😂😂😂😂
She would want us to believe that for sure.
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he tends to fall for the female victim scenarios
Had a friend who worked for Theranos from nearly the start. The stories he told made her sound out of her mind, not smart. And this was before the news got out and people started talking.
can you tell a few
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Ya know, Apple Computer was just weeks away from collapse. There would have never been those little gadgets that can store a thousands of songs, smart phones, desktop computers, tablets, etc. without Steve Jobs. Jobs inquisitive mind kept probing into the micro world. If Mr. Jobs were here today, Theranos's products might be possible. Some day a drop of blood is all that is needed to perform dozens of tests. If a single virus cell can cause wide spread harm then maybe a single drop of blood is sufficient for many future tests...???
She does sound exhausting. People who aren’t as clever as they think they are mostly are 🙄
And he probably wasn't believed, right?
🙄 Wow, the wall of denial from her friends and family is sad and pathetic. I always love how in cases like these, there’s overwhelming evidence she’s a fraud, a liar, and basically a flat out criminal.
But according to her friends and family, nope! Not our manipulative daughter with an ill fitting deep voice, no no, she’s a victim. She didn’t defraud investors in a scam company with non-existent technology. Nope, never happened.
20 years, well deserved in my opinion.
It's usually denial and cognitive dissonance
Sad really
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Her problem is that she defrauded the rich, not the masses. I predict a correspondingly serious sentence.
That's probably true. I think it didn't help her case that she was faking it in one of the few fields that has a low tolerance for that -- medical diagnostic devices. Computer entrepreneurs fake it all the time, and new big-selling drugs come to market where side effects or addiction problems data are minimized by the drug company. But traditional medical devices? Not so much.
Yeah. Good point. If her crimes had only effected average people, she would probably get a slap on the wrist if she came to trial at all. She got 11 years. The elites don't like being fooled.
"She wasn't going to let reality get in her way." Lol, that is her in a nutshell.
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She's not stupid. She knew exactly what she was doing. There's no misunderstanding about that.
“Misunderstood” is not a word that comes to mind when it comes to describing her. She must certainly be unbelievably charismatic to have convinced so many powerful prominent people to invest in her.
I feel like I understand her perfectly - pompous, arrogant, massive ego, not very clever. There. Done.
Pretty blonde telling people they can get rich and dominate the medical market. They were begging to be scammed.
For comparison, look at any Instagram influencer that is pretty but horrible. They're able to get away scott free for a lot of crap.
You only need to look at the most recent debacle of today to understand why this happened (TFX).
Guys like Tom Brady and a long list of institutional investors piling millions on top of millions. Only one competitor, who did his due diligence, said "NO", then the crash followed.
Just because one credible investor invested others followed based on the credibility that investor. That is what happened with Theranos.
The size of this blame belongs the buyers and seller. It's just $$$$$$ paper.
No. Investors weren't blinded by another blond in a suit, but by greed and stupidity.
Her family was well off and well connected, pretty sure that helped in the convincing.
She played the "strong, independent woman" card well. She was going to totally shatter that there "glass ceiling" thing.
Yep, she attached herself to what is essentially a cult and we all know believers will believe no matter what their eyes tell them
…then quickly wanted to dump the boss-babe, ‘next Steve Jobs’ persona and started showing up to court pregnant and awkwardly holding hands with her mother, to try and show she was in fact a poor naive girl all along. I’m delighted that blew up on her face.
She brokered deals with major pharmacies selling her equipment which is crazy because she would have known the Edison didn’t work - but yet she brokered the deals - there were pharmacies waiting for units to be delivered.
I also wonder if some of her investors were financially devastated over this? I know a lot of the investors were very wealthy but were there some taking a risk investing their life savings?
She does deserve prison time. If those UCLA parents go to prison for making financial payments to ensure their kids are accepted - then Elizabeth MUST serve way more time then those parents did!
True, my local pharmacy had everything set up for a clinical area and had started predelivery advertising. What a con!
@@AedanGUnit hi j
And she also falsified documents with fake letterhead from pharmaceutical companies. I don't know, but isn't that fraud?
Those two cases have nothing to do with each other but yes, breaking the law has consequences. Rich people often pay their way out of having to deal with consequences of their actions
Those of us who grew up with Perry Mason are truly shocked at the unfairness of the American justice system! If you can make bail you walk if not you stay in jail! If you can afford a good lawyer you avoid the public defender who has no money for specialist testifiers or tests! Money talks and judges and the police often listen.
It's baffling how she fooled so many successful people.
Simple greed and the richer the greedier.
I still think the fact that she was a young blue-eyed blond had a lot to do with it. Of course the fact that she could rattle off a good dose of semi-scientific mumbo-jumbo also was required. But think of the same pitch made by a balding, mousy male professor-type. No savvy investor would have given him the time of day.
People with money greedy to make more money. And may be this " successful" people had fouled millions of other people in their turn ))
@@psingerman4778 Exactly.
No, it's not baffling when you realize that people choose to believe. And they are very hopeful, believing things that they 'know' are too good to be true.
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Nice analysis & IMO accurate! I work in compliance & regulation in pharma & when this blew open I was astounded at her level of gross manipulation. One of the big things for me was when they launched their machines in Walgreens. Told by employees that results were inaccurate and they couldn't launch, Elizabeth put the machines in Walgreens anyway, then PURCHASED competitor products - pretending they were Theranos machines - to complete the work back at Theranos. Not only that, but the level of compliance & regulation she avoided over the years was enormously negligent. There's just so much on so many levels so consistently executed, it's impossible to plead "victim." The truth is she was the ringmaster!👹
An in-depth analysis on Elizabeth Holmes is undoutedbly fascinating. It seems apparent to most of us here she's more than capable of doing far worse.
Just another example of womb-men not being accountable by playing the p-y card.
@@realitycheck4960 Crass but true. The baby from the $$ boyfriend = prop as seen as sympathetic. Bashing Sunny/older lover COO as “abusive” & controlling = further fake claim so she is victim
@@realitycheck4960 Crass but true. The baby from the $$ boyfriend = prop as seen as sympathetic. Bashing Sunny/older lover COO as “abusive” & controlling = further fake claim so she is victim
@@realitycheck4960 Crass but true. The baby from the $$ boyfriend = prop as seen as sympathetic. Bashing Sunny/older lover COO as “abusive” & controlling = further fake claim so she is victim
I’m so anxious to hear what her sentence is. I’ve always guessed she’ll get about 6-7 years, but I wouldn’t be shocked if she gets 2 years or if she gets 15 years. Her lawyers aren’t asking for 18 months in prison, they’re asking for 18 months house arrest to be enjoyed in her multi-million dollar estate
She'll get a suspended sentence, and relax on her man's stacks of money.
@@mjanny6330 I'l be super pissed if that happens, but I don't think it's possible. If she took a plea deal at the beginning, she might have had a chance, but since she decided to fight this out in court, there's almost no chance she doesn't go to prison.
SHE AND HISBAND PUT THE GIANT ESTATE UP FOR SALE.
Yes, my guess is about 7 years as well. I remember Pharmabro got 7 years in federal court for the crime way less than hers in magnitude. He ended up serving about 5.
Her defence are asking for leniency, all while she still refuses to admit she did anything wrong. One has to admire their chutzpah but I hope it backfires completely and she gets a bigger sentence for being cocky.
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Your analysis and thoughts on this case was so well thought out! Loved your line of "toxic idealism"!
I understand her very well, she's a crook
Great overview of this case! Thank you! 😊 Love the joke about “they should go out and meet more people” 😂
Every monster finds someone to blame. The option of owning up to their hubris and vanity never occurs to them.
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You said it perfectly.
I know she wasn't convicted of assault or medical fraud, but she did damage real people with her ignorance and grandiosity.
Anything short of 15 years is not good enough.
She is a monster who didn't care that she knowingly sent people incorrect test results.
I disagree with your opinions about her! Even 11 years is a bit excessive
@@Jeffrey314159 she deceived innocent people of millions !!’ 20+ at least !! You may have a different view if she did you out of your house !! Lock her up . Her children should not be in her care
And willingly took large , very large sums of money !! Lock her up accordingly !!
Thank you Dr. Grande. Love this story, it's like a modern fable. People were blinded by the false light, then awakened by the ugly truth; no miracle diagnostics and possible harm to patients through deception. It could have been way worse. In too deep to walk out, "fake it till you make it".... please.... praise to the whistle blowers!
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Definitely not, this is the "superficial charm" of the narcissist. She was raised to think she was better than others because she was born into money, success was her birthright.
I remember long ago an Hawaii 5-0 episode with Joanne Linville, who has this same blood machine. Steve's sister had a dying baby and fell for this same procedure. The baby died and Steve had to prove Linville was a fraud. I am truly dating myself but, I remember it clearly. When I heard about Elizabeth, I immediately thought of this episode. Anyone else remember?
Book her Danno: My name is Steve, too...
No but I remember the soundtrack of the show when it came on and the wiggling Hawaiian dancer! Lol
So she was living out a television show?
Props to your memory. Remembering the plot of a Hawaii 5-0 (in detail yet) is impressive.
Yes I do remember that episode. Watched it when it first aired.
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Thanks for your comments Dr. Grande.
Dr Todd, your dry humor never fails to crack me up! :)
Love your dry humor Doc. Bravo!
Anyone who's ever taken college level biology class knows you need more than a couple drops of blood to run even basic tests
Why?
Ok, I tell that my doctor, next time she makes a sugar test with a blooddrop of me. 🙂
I have seen just about every documentary and youtube video about Elizabeth Holmes. I can't believe how she got away with her lies for so long, especially the lie that she was some kind of revolutionary tech genius. 🤣 I'm glad to listen to this. Your voice is so monotone and such perfect asmr. 😉
Love your analysis of her at the end! Its spot on of what her attorneys are trying to do too
I love that the moment prominent women get caught red handed doing something terrible, they’re immediately the child-like victims of their husbands who have no agency.
She was so obviously going to ditch the ‘new Steve Jobs’ persona that she absolutely adored while she was getting praise, and awkwardly pivot to ‘I’m just a poor naive girl’. Her cravenness alone makes me sick.
I went to Stanford and always regretted not dropping out. Holmes is a hero on campus. Everyone reverses her and holds her in the highest esteem. I hope she starts up again and I would love to work for her. I imagine one day you won't even have to submit ANY blood to have a diagnosis done. Holmes is a hero.
By blaming her ex boyfriend Sunny, she is taking no accountability for her own actions. An assault of a sexual nature has nothing to do you you defrauding investors and patients years later.
Dying over "they need to get out more and meet some other people"
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I just wish she had actually made the product she said she did. So many of us needed that service and accurate results. I can't imagine the families who actually lost people due to inaccurate results. How do you put a price on damages like that?
It was never deployed so I don't think anyone was lost through inaccurate results. Plus the service effectively does exist: you just need to attend a phlebotomy appointment and wait a while.
@@eadweard. theranos did exist in Arizona. I used their testing services.
@@adriennegonzales2636 I don't think their machines were ever deployed though. Any tests were done via traditional methods.
That's an overreaction, Karen.
Theranos test results were given to patients, and life threatening decisions were made based on them. Read the book Bad Blood.
She used her "intellect" to defraud...she is not a victim no matter how you try to spin it
This is so like someone I used to know. Glad to phrase that in the past tense.
I’m very curious to see how she will be sentenced… I worked in a lab when Theranos was being talked about and the lab owners were partially scared for their future, but mostly completely shocked that people thought this could be done.
Hello Dr. Grande, I think that you analyzed Elizabeth very well by mentioning she seemed to have unrealistic goals. Elizabeth, again as you mentioned seemed to know how to deceive people very well. I have to agree that 5 years in prison would be sufficient to remind her that committing a crime is a serious offense, especially when you are one of the main figures in your own company. Thank you for this video. Best Regards. ❤❤
Love your new blue lighting ambience, Doc.
Five year sentence is very generous and compassionate. Bless your good heart.
Regarding her "high intelligence" and the family legacy, her father was a VP at Enron - the "Smartest Guys in the Room."
I READ SOME PLACE THAT HER FAMILY WAS NOT WEALTHY, THY HAD BEEN A LONG TIME AGO, BUT NOT WHILE SHE AS GROWING UP.
Im a female who works in tech startup. Its hard to be a female in this space but know what I didnt do?
Defraud people, pretend I had a working product when I didnt and then pretend to be a victim pulling the little innocent woman card when the lies blew up. Or run around speaking in a weirdly deep voice for that matter.
Shes toxic. Give her 10 years in prison.
5 seconds before you said it, I thought "Dark Triad". Dr, Grande, you are too generous. 10 years is reasonable for a prison term for this person. A decade of gracing her fellow inmates with her" kind, caring" personality will go a long way to improve the lives of her fellow prisoners, and the Prison system at large.
I like the new thumbnail format and video background!
One company, Tel Aviv-based Sight Diagnostics, is familiar with the Theranos comparison. It draws two drops of blood from patient fingertips and runs blood tests in 10 minutes, all from a doctor's office. Sight only runs one blood test, a complete blood count, and it has regulatory clearance to do so. Nov 16, 2021
Hi, Dr. Grande. Love the content. Can you please analyze the case of Louis Riel?
Has anyone watched the health conference where tons of lab professionals were asking her so many questions while she had a field day running around in circles avoiding the true answers by responding with tangents? 😅😂
Yes I saw that. It was one of the few times she was actually challenged and did not go well for her
She didn’t just commit fraud. She hurt people. Patients were constantly misdiagnosed or given fake results, told they didn’t have cancer when they did as well as other illnesses. Or being told they had cancer when they didn’t. She belongs in jail.
Dr. Todd Grande, King of 😎.
Love your amusing & insightful analyses of so many different subjects! Keep up the good work.
This is an extremely interesting case and I’ve watched it unfold for the last few years. I find it ironic that her father was a higher ranking Enron executive and was fired during Enron’s downfall. I also have noticed that women tended to see through her rather quickly, for instance her college professor who told her it wouldn’t work as she herself had several extremely successful businesses ect,but extremely educated powerful men kept investing more and more money. Rumsfeld stood by her until the very bitter end even though his own grandson was one of the whistleblowers. She reminds me of a very good slight of hand illusionist, distracting with this hand and picking their pockets at the same time.😮
You mean Charles Shultz, sec of state. His grandson was the whistleblower, bless him.
Schultz. Rumsfeld had his own issues😂
THE COLLEGE PROFESSOR WAS VERY SMART / HOWEVER, I THINK HE WAS JEALOSU OF HOLMES YOUTH AND BEAUTY.
@@janecoe9407 why? Is there evidence to support this? The professor stated why it wouldn’t work.
The word you are looking for is "sleight" and not "slight". These two words have different meanings.
The narrative that she's the victim in all of this is absolutely ridiculous, dozens of employees have spoken about how she threatened them when they raised issues with the ethics of pretending to use the "New" technology they were purporting to use when in truth they were using conventional testing methods.
Getting pregnant in order to avoid prison is despicable. Playing victim backfired big time
I just live your sense of humor and analytical statements!
Another great analysis! I agree with your assessment but did n have the words to describe my thoughts so clearly and succinctly. Thank you!
I almost burst laughing with the: ' she doesn't get reality gets in her way' hahahah. I totally love this channel.
He's a hoot isn't he?
What’s confusing about her is that she is obviously highly intelligent, but yet, it wasn’t obvious to her that the tech could never work. A junior biochemist could tell you why you’d never ever be able to do 200 tests against a pin prick of blood. So what was the plan exactly?… it’s possible to make the machines smaller and look prettier, but a drop of blood wont yield you much information without defying the laws of physics.
If she was so intelligent, she wouldn't be facing 11 years in prison.
Great to be able to hear this evaluation after her sentence was announced, 11 years.
Many thanks Dr Grande, I see that your analysis is as nuanced as ever, but that you have now also mastered the art of the ironic (or sarcastic?) understatement to a remarkable level...
I find the premise that a drop of blood is as good a diagnostic tool as a tube of blood unbelievable. But then I've never heard Holmes's spiel. Greed is also involved: the investors wanted to believe in their hasty desire to get onto the next new thing train.