So many people don't realize that when you put tires and rims on that stick out, it eats wheel bearings to hell. They want that weight centered over the bearings. Now mix the offset tires with weak front ends, and it's a mess.
@@3DProductions so? He's educating on all that he did to make sure nothing else was missed. It's called being thorough. Who cares if he spends more time on not talking about the tires at least it's conveyed on what was done to determine that accurate fault.
@@budgreenleaf315 yeah I’ve only been riding maybe 2/ 1/2 years which isn’t a lot. and that sounds like a badass collection bud. I’ve always wanted to try and find a old 48 pan head but they’re extremely expensive in todays markets, but with the electra glide like I got it’s the first year of fuel injection or they changed something about it so I gotta watch out for those kind of issues. But I haven’t had any yet and with it being bar and shield I already know it’s gonna be expensive when it breaks. My dad he used to have a 45 WLA but lord have mercy if it broke we could barley find any type of part for it unless we went to swap meets since they’re older bikes, now all it does is sit up in a garage collecting dust since he passed. I’ve been trying to get it back and going but it’s not wanting to breathe life again no matter what I try
he showed you what was wrong. The tires aren’t round so they aren’t rolling/spinning as they should. you can see when he has it raised up and driving it on the lift
@@TheHeadHunterZDPI had that on my Toyota. Looked to me the warped rotor was catching on the seized caliper that wasn’t returning and where it was grabbing was almost bald but the rest had 3/16 to 1/4 tread
Seeing these comments has solved my problem on my 1976 Chevy k20, which I went from 33s that did fine to 35s and then it got a bad death wobble. These comments are too helpful Edit: I have put on a steering stabilizer and now my death wobble is solved, but you can tell when it wants to wobble
Ignore the goofy goober above me, he's in the comments coping about his goofball tires and worn out wheel bearings. Glad you were able to solve the problem, people really do underestimate how much engineering goes into every moving part of a vehicle, and how a small change can have a huge impact on a vehicle.
@@anthonyzhang4918What makes it even worse is the holes get wallerd out so some people change the trackbar bushings and continue to have problems. Gotta get a bigger bolt, tack on some washers, or get a reinforcing bracket.
Your wisdom is invaluable! Have you ever thought about putting together a list of sorts which says what you like and don’t like about each brand/model of vehicle and key maintenance issues to watch out for? I would read the heck out of that! Love your content and kindness. Thanks Dave!
I have an 06 mega cab Cummins, got it about 120-150k, can't remember. It know has just under 300k. I've only replaced front end parts 1 time. I have only had issues once so I am blessed, praise God. Unfortunately, the only time was with full death wobble at 130mph. Thought I was gonna die. Yes, Dave I have oversized tires too 😂. Appreciate everything you do and say!
As a former tire technician comma I can almost guarantee you that it's the tires. I can't tell you how many guys would buy F250's , Ram 3500's or Tundra ,, put a lift kit on it, and install new oversized tires. Then, 3 or 4 months later, they bring the vehicle back stating it "Vibrates at high speeds." The tire is probably warped or seprated and needs to be replaced. Id check all four tires, do a re-balance on the tires and finish with an alignment. Cheers!
he literally spent 80% of the video saying dodges front ends are shitty when there is nothing wrong with it but shitty oblong chinese tires XD jus saying lmao
Years ago we had a mamachine that actually shaved a tire as it rotated and knocked off the high spots to make a concentric circle. Made for a very smooth ride and less wear on parts but it greatly reduced tire life so they gave up on them. With everything there is a cost!! Rise smoothly for 30k mi. or shake your truck apart for 40k! 😊
I saw that problem with a new set of stock size Michelins. Truck was smooth until those tires went on then it was never quite right. I argued with 3 different shops of the same company they should check them and shave if needed. I could see they weren't true when I jacked it up to spin the tires. They always claimed they never heard of such a thing as tire shaving. The truck is gone now but not because of the tires.
Yep, me too. I want the chassis of my truck to perform as engineered by the OEM, which requires the OEM wheel dimensions. I also don't want the braking performance of my truck to decrease, which is what happens with larger diameter wheels. And I don't want slop thrown all over the sides of my truck, which is what happens with offset wheels sticking 3 or 4 inches outside the wheel openings.
Car modifications are for idiots why would anybody ever modify a car what a bunch of morons that would change parts on a car factory parts are The only parts worth a s***. Moog problem so for never helped anybody.
If you have a steering slop issue check the steering column intermeidiate shaft before it exits the firewall. Turn the wheel left and right with the truck off. There is a coupler there with a rubber bushing and a pin through it. They usually have excessive play. They sell couplers online for 15 bucks that center that pin and keep it from moving.
Thx for this. I'll check into it. Was about to replace the gear box. I agree with this guy that the 35" tires and leveling kit caused my issues, but I don't agree after multiple tire changes, alignments, replacing front end parts, and adding stabilizers, that tires are continually causing my steering slop
Hola 👋 señor Dave !!! Good morning I just received the notification and immediately I came to watch what you were doing in the shoop😊You guys need a day off enjoy your Sunday…Saludos!!!👋😊👋those trucks have some issues 😢😮
Hunter with road force specifically designed to help this problem. The basic ones also have a program that try to emulate road force but it's a lot more work that a roadforce drum equipped machine and not as acute but usable. I personally have both in my garage.
Hunter road force balancer is nothing but an understanding of where the low side of the wheel is relative to the tire. The process can be emulated with a good static wheel balancer and a tire crayon. But most customers think it's magic. As for this stupid setup, there's gonna be vibration regardless.
I'm hoping the show has the same feel as your videos. Please withhold any unnecessary silliness, tomfoolery and grab ass that other car shows occasionally offer up.@@DavesAutoCenterCenterville
If you offset the wheels, you change the geometry dramatically that induces shaking and understeer , don't do it on the front wheels unless you modify the uprights
To many people forget about the steering, wheel bearing, ball joints and brakes when they lift ANY truck and put bigger tires and wheels. Even if they use aluminum wheels the bigger tire equals more weight.
There’s still a ton of travel from that tire. Needs marked and 180d then rebalance it correctly with a big cone or the adapter. Should help some but large tires still ride rough
I had a 2011 3500 Cummins crew cab. About every 10 months the entire front suspension and steering had to be rebuilt and this was with the upgraded heavier duty parts. They’re just too heavy for the components used
@@michaelq3174 company paid for all the work but I eventually upgraded to a ‘23 ford 350 with a 6.7 diesel. Easier on fuel and front end parts and more towing power
I have a 2nd gen with 238k miles. Not sure when the last time wheel bearings or ball joints have been done but i redid the rest of the front end with the upgraded style about a year ago and have just some 20x12’ on 33’s. So far so good and she see speed. Main problem is people don’t frequently check their stuff.. they just drive it and hope for the best.
I had a Dodge dealership Tell me that they design their front ends to wear out in less than 30,000 mi. We had a customer that brought two trucks to the shop and that were bought from a dealership with less than 30,000 mi on them and the ball joints were all blown out.
As a FCA technician, I call BS. I'm not saying they are built to last, but built to last the extent of the warranty. But in truth, Ram front ends (If left stock) usually last 100k to 150k before I start to see warn parts. Usually wheel bearing and ball joints. And there's a lot of allotted play for the ball joints, like 0.09".
@@chucktraughber505dodges are terrible trucks. I’ve owned several. There front end in every generation is terrible. They are the definition of death wobble. They use bad components. You get what you pay for… sorry. 😢
The Discovery show cannot come fast enough! I know that they’ve caught a lot of flack for pushing pseudoscience over facts, but I truly believe that your show will help bring the whole channel’s reputation back
Had a similar problem on a front wheel drive car. Replaced tie-rods, tie rod ends, had the CV’s checked out, checked that the drive shaft were true and not bowed….Turn out to be the tires, big brand name that we didn’t think would present such a problem. Rhymes with Dunflop.
Most deff is his wheels and tires the scrubb radius is off so even you align it it’s off the only way to fix it is trail and error on the alignment rack align it and keep track and records of tire wear so you can ether toe in more or toe out more ….
Maintenance is key! As soon as a suspension part is worn out and has excessive play it will start wearing the tire, even once parts have bien replaced the wear is still there
Look at the spinning wheel, no change. Now look at the BOTTOM of the tire... see that eighth inch of change there? Think that doesn't matter? Its the tires. Either the mounting of same itself OR the tire is out of round.
Best way to keep a front end together is to get the alignment toe in then run a big track bar with little give. Dodge front end isn't bad. They're just a bit inadequate from the factory and usually need steering stabilizer and track bar upgrades.
Dodge has really cheap quality suspension. I've seen Challengers, Chargers, Durango and trucks with low miles and suspension sounds like half a million miles! 😂
Have a friend who works on highway patrol vehicles. He told me they can't keep front end parts and wheel bearings on Chrysler vehicles. Very little problems on the Ford Crown Vicks
That’s why for it’s always best to leave the vehicle as is how it came from the factory … if something gets worn out it’s a cheap fix and there’s no guessing about the root cause of the issue
The biggest problem with the Rams up front is the steering boxes wear out way too easy. Also those lower ball joints, when it is time to replace them, like to seize in the inner C
I’ve got a 2002 Dodge1500 SLT, 2WD, 4.7L, with 152,000 since new. I keep it maintained and replace worn parts and tires as needed. I have a super mechanic that does all the work on it. Have had BG service on everything that needed it. Synthetic oil changed every 5,000 miles. He told me never get rid of this truck. You’ll not find anything new as reliable. It’s hauled cross country furniture, I’ve hauled cow manure( wife’s garden), sod, dirt, cement blocks, mowing equipment and all kinds of stuff. I run 20” tires on Mopar original wheels.
@@matmarchand2399uh yeah. All cars and trucks have wheels. I’ll happily take my sedan and small utility trailer and get more capability over your $80,000 oversized, impractical, top-heavy, gas-guzzling, unsafe small PP plastic tinderbox looking POS.
@zacharytracy3797 actually 90k buddy and cheap plastic Toyota takes the cake for that 1 and let me clue u in on something guys with little pps buy Toyota trucks they wake up in the morning see the couple inches between there legs then look out the window at there lifted camry with a bed on it lol
If the idler arm has any play, it will shake. Also adjust toe in to almost zero, I do 1/8" and have had good luck with that. Really, if those two things are addressed, the rest can be pretty sloppy worn and it will still drive fine. 200,000 is a new vehicle to me. I kinda fudged on this last one, as it had only 196,000 on it when I bought it.
The truck in this video is a '10-'12 MY. They do not have good front ends. When they did the frame update in MY '13 for the 3500's and MY '14 for the 2500's, they completely fixed the front end issues. RAM has the toughest and best driving front end out there in my experience now. My 2014 has just shy of 200k on it and it's all original even with brutal oil field and service roads here. It still tracks as straight as day one. The intermediate steering shafts are not that great though. Lol. Every vehicle has its issues.
@@aaronolsen8787 Thats a big relief to hear that. Are you considering replacing the bearings or ball joints soon? Or at least repacking them with grease
@andymike6575 not at this point. They're all non-serviceable so I'll just replace them when they go out. I'll just buy the OEM ones as they've done extremely well. The mopar premium wheel bearings are SKF bearings so you can save a bit of money by going SKF on those and get the whole hub. My enclosed cargo work trailer gets the bearings greased every 2 years with NLGI 1.5 full synthetic extreme pressure grease. Honestly though, with the quality of these non serviceable bearings and parts being so good now a days, if those bearings ever go I'll probably go with the non serviceable dexter bearings. Nothing is perfect and everything wears out eventually.
great trucks but yea the front suspensions are smooth riding for a truck but nothing but issues with wear ive owned them since 97 and all have had wearing issues.
I worked at a company that had 3 Fords and 1 Dodge Ram the Fords were always in the shop the Ram was to but not as much when it was in, it was the Frontend as the ball joints were the lemon of it
To fix that put the Gelendewagen front and rear hubs on them. The front and rear shocks from the G wagon can fit with a bit of work but it solves that issue
I put leveling kits on each Ram I have had with nitto M/G 305 55 20 on fuel tims, never had that issue, I also changed the strut and arm. Some people do not do the research on what will work.
Ive heard of this but since 1985 I’ve done it with my dodge trucks from an 85 power ram 1500 to my current 2015 ram 3500 HD and NEVER EVER had an issue. I’ve had at least 20 dodge trucks never had a bad transmission either. . Driver or installer errors go a long way toward creating issues
Old guy that’s worked in different fields in life. Alignment tech as a younger man,Bear Bubble alignment machine,made me a fair wage. Also balanced wheels on the vehicle. Low air pressure,can cause the casing to wobble. Have fixed the death wobble on several trucks. Your right,but how much play in the torsion bars. That’s what fixed my 97 1500 Dodge.
I have an F150 with 348,000 miles on it. Had a real annoying shake. Balancing tires, replacing tires, nothing helped. I finally noticed oil leaking from the rear axle. Oil had coated the inside of the rims, dirt had gotten caked up in the oil and threw the balance way off. This had been going on for awhile, it just wasn't obvious because the rim and dirt was catching all the oil. When it got bad enough to drip, that's when I found it. Pulled tires off, replaced axle seals, scraped out all the caked up dirt, truck runs smooth now!
Once you lift vehicles and mess with the geometry it’s easy to mess it all up. I’ve got a Jeep Wrangler and I decided to keep it stock because too often guys lift them and put huge tires but they do it on a budget and then they’re surprised they get the death wobble
My compliments sir, brilliant utube vids I've learned so much from a humble, intelligent, really honest, man, these are great TRAINING vids coz you cross so many makes and models, the gifted gentleman you train are Blessed, to share your inquisitive intelligence, very very rare earth your made of 😮
My death wobble was fixed with heavy duty traction bar bushings, Bilstein shocks and stabilizer, exactly the same pressure in each tire. 200,000 and rides great.
I wish I could hold the knowledge you can. I love working on cars, trucks, engins, motors, suspension, anything. I cannot hold any of it. Bet I'm reading , comparing, experiencing on anything to get to your leve😊 Thank you.....for everything
I bought a Dodge Diesel years ago with oversized tires on factory rims. Used them for a month before i yanked them off for new stock size tires. Handling became so much better and fuel economy went way up.
Had a similar problem with my 2010 Expedition. Two mechanics misdiagnosed it. Finally they noticed the tires were uneven even though they had plenty of tread left.
I don’t have the over sized tires but I live on a horrible and I mean horrible dirt road. Two miles of potholes and washboarding! I changed my original shocks/struts/ and Brakes/rotors out. Of course you have to tear the front end down for the struts and I had purchased new ball joints but the factory joints showed zero wear at 127000 miles. 2015 Ram 4x4 quad cab 5.7/8spd/321 gears. Now has 141,500 miles and still doing well! 21-23 mpg. Last two Chevys had front end/ alignment/ transmission issues. one at 80,000 and one started at 11,000 miles. My Ram is hands down the best truck I’ve ever owned and I’ve had some of all!! My next will be a Ram but I guess I will have to get the Hurricane I6 in it🤷🏻♂️
This is common with all newer trucks that have solid front ends with coil, sprung suspension. The older trucks with leaf springs in the front although they rode like lumber wagons. They never had this problem. The issue is the coil spring suspension. Cannot keep the tires planted to the road and combine that with oversized tires. This is gonna lead to issues. The leaf spring trucks, the tires are firmly planted to the road and the issue is minimalized. For example, I had a 2018 ram 2500 4 x 4 and it kept eating front ends and kept eating tires. I sold that truck for a 1984 Chevy cucv. (Military k30) best decision I ever made anyways the Chevy cucv doesn’t eat tires and it does not eat front suspension. In fact, it still has its original front suspension from the factory. If manufactures would just go back to leaf springs on the front, it would solve a lot of issues, one being death wobble and two being worn out suspension issues.
I have a 2004 ram 1500 lifted and leveled on 35 inch firestone destination m/t that are way more aggressive than them tires. It rides smooth at highway speeds! Ive only had to replace upper control arms since I bought it in 2018.
I have a 2021 Ram Laramie 1500 and was told by the dealer Do Not raise the chassis or put oversize tires on it. Which I’m fine with, I like to keep it the way it is. They said it would wear parts out quickly and would mess up all the trailering, braking and other sensors.
I ran 37s on a Dodge PowerWagon with full factory suspension for well over 100k miles and wheeled it and took it down many, many miles of dirt roads. Never had an issue with “dodge suspension”. When I did the first set of wheel bearings at 150k miles, I did a free spin kit to reduce overall wear on the trucks front running gear. The issue isn’t front suspension, it’s the weight of the diesels in most of these trucks. Also I would hazard to guess that a lot of trucks with oversized tires get worked harder and used in more extreme environments than those without. I sold that truck and it’s since been to the arctic circle and back with the new owner and zero issues.
Personally I hate the look of wheels and tires that stick out like that it does not look good to me. I like what looks good and functions as designed best. I try to stay stock sizes.
As a dodge driver for the last 14 years.....best thing I have ever done is free hub the truck. Your Hubs otherwise are always locked in...meaning even in two wheel drive your front drive train is still spinning. That amd greaseable front end components no issues
Dave i was a mechanic for 35 years and yes i did front end Alignments a lot i changed more front end parts on Dodge and Chevy than i did on any FORD mostly idler arms Drag links and steering Boxes 😮
Putting reverse wheels and oversize tires allows the weight be be outboard and off center. As such, the weight on the wheel now has leverage on the wheel bearings and ball joints.
I run 35" tires on my 2007.5 Dodge Ram, and have never experienced a "wobble, or the death wobble" ever. I just replaced the factory ball joints and control arms and they had 215,000mi on the stock parts. If your going to run a bigger tire on any truck "brand" especially 3/4-1Tons you need to make sure they are the 10ply and not those cheap BF Goodrich Tires. They are known for their weak sidewall and will cause that.
Happened to me. 35” super swampers, thought it was ball joints. Ended up being tires way out of balance. 🔥💰= lesson learned and never went back to that shop.
So many people don't realize that when you put tires and rims on that stick out, it eats wheel bearings to hell. They want that weight centered over the bearings. Now mix the offset tires with weak front ends, and it's a mess.
Yeah, hub centered bearings suck. Loved the old tapered roller bearings. Serviceable and better load capabilities.
How will I feel like a big man if I can’t express my insecurities through my truck?
He is so right, only vehicle that developed a death wobble on me was a Dodge PU.
@johnl9977 Actually, buddy, a lot of 3/4 ton trucks have it this issue not saying one has it worse than the other
Also, the truck should be geared lower to keep the engine at peak torque at highway speed and prevent overloading of the transmission.
Aesthetics over Engineering, a tale as old as time.
Form over function.
@@ALLw3rk this video proves that the balljoints and wheelbearings are fine with a little offset lmao XD
oblong chinese tires on the other hand
No ignorant American s
Gotta put those city swampers on there 😂
You diagnosed the problem in the very first sentence. “We got a Dodge in here” says it all.
U sound like the master tech at my job lol
Why?
Sounds about right😂😂
Same thing happened to our chevy and ford. None of them like real truck tires.
Exactly cheap Chinese parts assembled in Mexico
I love he doesn’t talk bad on it he just says he’s not a fan. Love you and your men’s work!
Right!?! he doesn't get over emotional - just has that balanced approach to seek an optimal solution.
@@josiahstearns9615 he spends 90% of the video talking about what isnt the problem, its cheap ass oblong chinese tires
@@3DProductions so? He's educating on all that he did to make sure nothing else was missed. It's called being thorough. Who cares if he spends more time on not talking about the tires at least it's conveyed on what was done to determine that accurate fault.
Truth is truth ..this nonsense of people feelings is why the devil has deceived men into being females..it's also truth look around
He is a gentleman for sure. What a nice dude am I right? A man of values.
Change one thing, change more things forever. I learned that with my 74 datsun. Work on it every week for a decade.
@@budgreenleaf315never had an issue out of my 2001 Electra glide since brand new other than fluid changes and tires
@@budgreenleaf315 yeah I’ve only been riding maybe 2/ 1/2 years which isn’t a lot. and that sounds like a badass collection bud. I’ve always wanted to try and find a old 48 pan head but they’re extremely expensive in todays markets, but with the electra glide like I got it’s the first year of fuel injection or they changed something about it so I gotta watch out for those kind of issues. But I haven’t had any yet and with it being bar and shield I already know it’s gonna be expensive when it breaks. My dad he used to have a 45 WLA but lord have mercy if it broke we could barley find any type of part for it unless we went to swap meets since they’re older bikes, now all it does is sit up in a garage collecting dust since he passed. I’ve been trying to get it back and going but it’s not wanting to breathe life again no matter what I try
When are we gonna learn it’s ALL cars that have that issue lol
Same story with my 83 280zxt lol but it’s such a fun car to drive lol
Ouch homie
Give us an update when you figure it out.
he showed you what was wrong. The tires aren’t round so they aren’t rolling/spinning as they should. you can see when he has it raised up and driving it on the lift
@@JARMotorsI remember seeing a tractor having front tires that made me do a double and even a triple take. The tires was shaped like an egg.
The problem is it’s a dodge. There problem solved. Your welcome.
@@JARMotorstires are cupped. Like a egg 😂 you dont wanna drive these
@@TheHeadHunterZDPI had that on my Toyota. Looked to me the warped rotor was catching on the seized caliper that wasn’t returning and where it was grabbing was almost bald but the rest had 3/16 to 1/4 tread
Seeing these comments has solved my problem on my 1976 Chevy k20, which I went from 33s that did fine to 35s and then it got a bad death wobble. These comments are too helpful
Edit: I have put on a steering stabilizer and now my death wobble is solved, but you can tell when it wants to wobble
you didnt know that tires that arent round dont roll very good? lololol
Ignore the goofy goober above me, he's in the comments coping about his goofball tires and worn out wheel bearings.
Glad you were able to solve the problem, people really do underestimate how much engineering goes into every moving part of a vehicle, and how a small change can have a huge impact on a vehicle.
As a jeep jk owner, all I can say is check all the bushings. When those go, things get bad on the front end. Like "deathly" bad.
Is it..
“Death wobble” bad?
🤘🤠👍
Almost always track bar bushings
@@anthonyzhang4918What makes it even worse is the holes get wallerd out so some people change the trackbar bushings and continue to have problems. Gotta get a bigger bolt, tack on some washers, or get a reinforcing bracket.
yeah bad bushings can wreak havoc on front ends eh
Your wisdom is invaluable! Have you ever thought about putting together a list of sorts which says what you like and don’t like about each brand/model of vehicle and key maintenance issues to watch out for? I would read the heck out of that! Love your content and kindness. Thanks Dave!
That's a great idea!
Agreed
Honda- leaks oil to let you know it’s there
Bmw- sensor to tell you there’s no oil
I have an 06 mega cab Cummins, got it about 120-150k, can't remember. It know has just under 300k. I've only replaced front end parts 1 time. I have only had issues once so I am blessed, praise God. Unfortunately, the only time was with full death wobble at 130mph. Thought I was gonna die.
Yes, Dave I have oversized tires too 😂. Appreciate everything you do and say!
@@DavesAutoCenterCenterville I want to know what's wrong with the old Toyota 4runner and classic Honda Civic
As a former tire technician comma I can almost guarantee you that it's the tires. I can't tell you how many guys would buy F250's , Ram 3500's or Tundra ,, put a lift kit on it, and install new oversized tires. Then, 3 or 4 months later, they bring the vehicle back stating it "Vibrates at high speeds." The tire is probably warped or seprated and needs to be replaced. Id check all four tires, do a re-balance on the tires and finish with an alignment. Cheers!
Tire rotation would probably be the #1 thing to do, but those other things can't hurt! 👍
I'd of left it stock. Wallaaa!
@@toddgittins5692stock trucks aren’t as fun.
how old are you trucks are for work you want fun buy a 200hp motorcycle @@connor4961
Cupping is also a common issue on oversized tires
I love how you are diplomatic and say you are not a fan of something when its made outa rubbish as to not upset the owners
he literally spent 80% of the video saying dodges front ends are shitty when there is nothing wrong with it but shitty oblong chinese tires XD jus saying lmao
Years ago we had a mamachine that actually shaved a tire as it rotated and knocked off the high spots to make a concentric circle. Made for a very smooth ride and less wear on parts but it greatly reduced tire life so they gave up on them. With everything there is a cost!! Rise smoothly for 30k mi. or shake your truck apart for 40k! 😊
I saw that problem with a new set of stock size Michelins. Truck was smooth until those tires went on then it was never quite right. I argued with 3 different shops of the same company they should check them and shave if needed. I could see they weren't true when I jacked it up to spin the tires. They always claimed they never heard of such a thing as tire shaving. The truck is gone now but not because of the tires.
I've seen those tire shavers.
Rare machine, no shops really have em.
That’s why I keep my tires OEM size never had issues
Yep, me too. I want the chassis of my truck to perform as engineered by the OEM, which requires the OEM wheel dimensions. I also don't want the braking performance of my truck to decrease, which is what happens with larger diameter wheels. And I don't want slop thrown all over the sides of my truck, which is what happens with offset wheels sticking 3 or 4 inches outside the wheel openings.
i keep my daily stock, but if i had a toy kind of truck, id lower it. not to the ground, but like 3 or 4 inches. get it basically car profile.
@@onemoremisfit Absolutely
Well that's no fun
Car modifications are for idiots why would anybody ever modify a car what a bunch of morons that would change parts on a car factory parts are The only parts worth a s***. Moog problem so for never helped anybody.
Silverado mirrors? Nice touch.
Gm mirrors technically
No problems 2012 1500 35s going on 11 years
I thought something looked odd.
First thing I noticed.. throw those ugly dodge mirrors away
I would rather have those than the ones that came on it.
Been dealing with these customers for years now. Im glad i have this video to pull whe. They dont believe me.
Thanks
His face 🙄😮😮💨😐 when he had to reluctantly admit how he feels about Dodge front ends is priceless. 😂😂😂😂
All that vibration just wears out all the joints!
If you have a steering slop issue check the steering column intermeidiate shaft before it exits the firewall. Turn the wheel left and right with the truck off. There is a coupler there with a rubber bushing and a pin through it. They usually have excessive play. They sell couplers online for 15 bucks that center that pin and keep it from moving.
Especially with a tall truck people use the steering wheel to climb in and out. When the steering is locked that does hell on that bushing
Thx for this. I'll check into it. Was about to replace the gear box. I agree with this guy that the 35" tires and leveling kit caused my issues, but I don't agree after multiple tire changes, alignments, replacing front end parts, and adding stabilizers, that tires are continually causing my steering slop
Hola 👋 señor Dave !!! Good morning I just received the notification and immediately I came to watch what you were doing in the shoop😊You guys need a day off enjoy your Sunday…Saludos!!!👋😊👋those trucks have some issues 😢😮
Hunter with road force specifically designed to help this problem. The basic ones also have a program that try to emulate road force but it's a lot more work that a roadforce drum equipped machine and not as acute but usable. I personally have both in my garage.
Hunter road force balancer is nothing but an understanding of where the low side of the wheel is relative to the tire. The process can be emulated with a good static wheel balancer and a tire crayon. But most customers think it's magic.
As for this stupid setup, there's gonna be vibration regardless.
When is the tv show coming out
Discovery said the first pilot should be out by the end of the year👍. Haven't started any filming yet
😮 Congratulations Dave!!! thats awsome
@@DavesAutoCenterCenterville
Can you yell at your son, and build theme choppers?
I'm hoping the show has the same feel as your videos. Please withhold any unnecessary silliness, tomfoolery and grab ass that other car shows occasionally offer up.@@DavesAutoCenterCenterville
@@PanamaZareltodiscovery is the boss now
If you offset the wheels, you change the geometry dramatically that induces shaking and understeer , don't do it on the front wheels unless you modify the uprights
So putting some 20mm spacers is going to create a shakey ride for me?
@@PROofHAPPYWHEELSlol yes 😅
@@PROofHAPPYWHEELS not at the rear wheels
What parts are the uprights?
@@loicdore39 😂 maybe you're talking about the slip on ones non hub centric
To many people forget about the steering, wheel bearing, ball joints and brakes when they lift ANY truck and put bigger tires and wheels. Even if they use aluminum wheels the bigger tire equals more weight.
I need this man to work on my Chevy.
Used to work in tire shop. Would have to balance tire with LUG CENTRIC Adapter because center whole was always off with 8 lug wheels
Yes good point I'd did a lot of tires when I was a mechanic I'm retired now
There’s still a ton of travel from that tire. Needs marked and 180d then rebalance it correctly with a big cone or the adapter. Should help some but large tires still ride rough
I had a 2011 3500 Cummins crew cab. About every 10 months the entire front suspension and steering had to be rebuilt and this was with the upgraded heavier duty parts. They’re just too heavy for the components used
Get rid of it
@@CBrasil1966most people can make a profit off of using the Cummins, but rebuilding a front end shouldn’t necessarily be required
Screw that. I would gwt rid of it before I ever had to waste money
@@DirtyOne614 of course it’s required. The engine is too heavy for the front end
@@michaelq3174 company paid for all the work but I eventually upgraded to a ‘23 ford 350 with a 6.7 diesel. Easier on fuel and front end parts and more towing power
I have a 2nd gen with 238k miles. Not sure when the last time wheel bearings or ball joints have been done but i redid the rest of the front end with the upgraded style about a year ago and have just some 20x12’ on 33’s. So far so good and she see speed. Main problem is people don’t frequently check their stuff.. they just drive it and hope for the best.
Track bar every time causing the infamous “death wobble” 😂
I had a Dodge dealership Tell me that they design their front ends to wear out in less than 30,000 mi. We had a customer that brought two trucks to the shop and that were bought from a dealership with less than 30,000 mi on them and the ball joints were all blown out.
You were probably checking them wrong, or the guy was jumping pivot tracks in his farm field
Had a dodge 2500 diesel and replaced the front end Three times and got rid of it at 135k miles. Guys with snow plows avoided Dodge like the plague
Iam thinking most people get suckered into suspension work because its easy money but cummins is a heavey engine
As a FCA technician, I call BS.
I'm not saying they are built to last, but built to last the extent of the warranty.
But in truth, Ram front ends (If left stock) usually last 100k to 150k before I start to see warn parts. Usually wheel bearing and ball joints. And there's a lot of allotted play for the ball joints, like 0.09".
@@chucktraughber505dodges are terrible trucks. I’ve owned several. There front end in every generation is terrible. They are the definition of death wobble. They use bad components. You get what you pay for… sorry. 😢
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Had a similar problem on a front wheel drive car. Replaced tie-rods, tie rod ends, had the CV’s checked out, checked that the drive shaft were true and not bowed….Turn out to be the tires, big brand name that we didn’t think would present such a problem. Rhymes with Dunflop.
Most deff is his wheels and tires the scrubb radius is off so even you align it it’s off the only way to fix it is trail and error on the alignment rack align it and keep track and records of tire wear so you can ether toe in more or toe out more ….
Maintenance is key! As soon as a suspension part is worn out and has excessive play it will start wearing the tire, even once parts have bien replaced the wear is still there
Look at the spinning wheel, no change. Now look at the BOTTOM of the tire... see that eighth inch of change there? Think that doesn't matter? Its the tires. Either the mounting of same itself OR the tire is out of round.
@@leecowell8165 Yeah I noticed that right away. If you road force balance them, you may find out why it does that.
Best way to keep a front end together is to get the alignment toe in then run a big track bar with little give.
Dodge front end isn't bad. They're just a bit inadequate from the factory and usually need steering stabilizer and track bar upgrades.
Ive learned so much bc of your honesty TY!
It’s also very odd he chose Chevy tow mirrors over rams tow mirrors. I like both and use both it’s just odd.
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Thank you! Will do!
As a previous dodge owner, I concur. That thing ate u-joints for breakfast! And that was with the stock wheels.
Dave. The greatest respect for you and your shop. However as you sort of stated, the problem is 'dodge'. Especially now with ccp stellantis.
My money is on the trackbar bushings or elongated mounting holes. The tires and wheels make it worse and accelerate trackbar bushing wear.
Dodge has really cheap quality suspension. I've seen Challengers, Chargers, Durango and trucks with low miles and suspension sounds like half a million miles! 😂
Have a friend who works on highway patrol vehicles. He told me they can't keep front end parts and wheel bearings on Chrysler vehicles. Very little problems on the Ford Crown Vicks
Nothing has changed with them only the name same old cheap truck but hey it’s the number 1 selling truck….
I love the honesty
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Dave you’re the man! God speed… to you and the team
That’s why for it’s always best to leave the vehicle as is how it came from the factory … if something gets worn out it’s a cheap fix and there’s no guessing about the root cause of the issue
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The biggest problem with the Rams up front is the steering boxes wear out way too easy.
Also those lower ball joints, when it is time to replace them, like to seize in the inner C
Not 09 to 18 1500s. Because they don’t have steering boxes.
@@henrybabin8031 yea nobody cares about half tons. Clearly i wasnt talking about those
@@chriso1373 well mr geniouse! Rams stopped using steering boxes in 2009!
And on 3/4 ton truck later down the line
I’ve got a 2002 Dodge1500 SLT, 2WD, 4.7L, with 152,000 since new. I keep it maintained and replace worn parts and tires as needed. I have a super mechanic that does all the work on it. Have had BG service on everything that needed it. Synthetic oil changed every 5,000 miles. He told me never get rid of this truck. You’ll not find anything new as reliable. It’s hauled cross country furniture, I’ve hauled cow manure( wife’s garden), sod, dirt, cement blocks, mowing equipment and all kinds of stuff. I run 20” tires on Mopar original wheels.
Dodge....the national sponsor of "my dad's on the title and I'm 2 payments behind".
I got a fix. Toyota tundra. 700,000 miles. Oil changes and brakes
And stock wheel offset, I bet.
Not a real truck dodge is junk but Toyota is a car on wheels lol
@@matmarchand2399uh yeah. All cars and trucks have wheels. I’ll happily take my sedan and small utility trailer and get more capability over your $80,000 oversized, impractical, top-heavy, gas-guzzling, unsafe small PP plastic tinderbox looking POS.
@zacharytracy3797 actually 90k buddy and cheap plastic Toyota takes the cake for that 1 and let me clue u in on something guys with little pps buy Toyota trucks they wake up in the morning see the couple inches between there legs then look out the window at there lifted camry with a bed on it lol
@@matmarchand2399 yeah ok buddy. Keep smoking crack you’re clueless.
If the idler arm has any play, it will shake. Also adjust toe in to almost zero, I do 1/8" and have had good luck with that. Really, if those two things are addressed, the rest can be pretty sloppy worn and it will still drive fine. 200,000 is a new vehicle to me. I kinda fudged on this last one, as it had only 196,000 on it when I bought it.
There is no idler arm that's a chevy thing.
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My 2018 2500 Cummins with 35s and 200,000 miles rides like a champ. Still have all the factory suspension components in the front end.
Also have an 18 6.7L 2500 2” level kit with 35s and no problems…yet. Is yours leveled?
A lot of these people don’t know that a lot of the 4th gen rams don’t even have a steering box. They have rack and pinion.lol which can’t be beat.
The truck in this video is a '10-'12 MY. They do not have good front ends. When they did the frame update in MY '13 for the 3500's and MY '14 for the 2500's, they completely fixed the front end issues. RAM has the toughest and best driving front end out there in my experience now. My 2014 has just shy of 200k on it and it's all original even with brutal oil field and service roads here. It still tracks as straight as day one. The intermediate steering shafts are not that great though. Lol. Every vehicle has its issues.
@@aaronolsen8787 Thats a big relief to hear that. Are you considering replacing the bearings or ball joints soon? Or at least repacking them with grease
@andymike6575 not at this point. They're all non-serviceable so I'll just replace them when they go out. I'll just buy the OEM ones as they've done extremely well. The mopar premium wheel bearings are SKF bearings so you can save a bit of money by going SKF on those and get the whole hub.
My enclosed cargo work trailer gets the bearings greased every 2 years with NLGI 1.5 full synthetic extreme pressure grease. Honestly though, with the quality of these non serviceable bearings and parts being so good now a days, if those bearings ever go I'll probably go with the non serviceable dexter bearings. Nothing is perfect and everything wears out eventually.
"I'm not a fan, they wear out"
car has 230k miles on it
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Only 230…
The ball joints and wheel bearings have been replaced multiple times on that thing
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great trucks but yea the front suspensions are smooth riding for a truck but nothing but issues with wear ive owned them since 97 and all have had wearing issues.
I worked at a company that had 3 Fords and 1 Dodge Ram the Fords were always in the shop the Ram was to but not as much when it was in, it was the Frontend as the ball joints were the lemon of it
To fix that put the Gelendewagen front and rear hubs on them. The front and rear shocks from the G wagon can fit with a bit of work but it solves that issue
This is a thing?
dude, you're the best. Nothing but the truth.
I put leveling kits on each Ram I have had with nitto M/G 305 55 20 on fuel tims, never had that issue, I also changed the strut and arm. Some people do not do the research on what will work.
Definitely them tires! They wear out because they dont make ball joints like they used to. Plastic
Yeah he actually might be right.
And he explained the actual reason why Bigger tires would cause that. Has nothing to do with rubber or plastic
Ive heard of this but since 1985 I’ve done it with my dodge trucks from an 85 power ram 1500 to my current 2015 ram 3500 HD and NEVER EVER had an issue. I’ve had at least 20 dodge trucks never had a bad transmission either. . Driver or installer errors go a long way toward creating issues
Old guy that’s worked in different fields in life. Alignment tech as a younger man,Bear Bubble alignment machine,made me a fair wage. Also balanced wheels on the vehicle. Low air pressure,can cause the casing to wobble. Have fixed the death wobble on several trucks. Your right,but how much play in the torsion bars. That’s what fixed my 97 1500 Dodge.
I have an F150 with 348,000 miles on it. Had a real annoying shake. Balancing tires, replacing tires, nothing helped. I finally noticed oil leaking from the rear axle. Oil had coated the inside of the rims, dirt had gotten caked up in the oil and threw the balance way off. This had been going on for awhile, it just wasn't obvious because the rim and dirt was catching all the oil. When it got bad enough to drip, that's when I found it. Pulled tires off, replaced axle seals, scraped out all the caked up dirt, truck runs smooth now!
I like how it looks though 😂.
Every teenage boy at heart: "but...but...but it looks cool!"
The tow mirrors throw me off, just like the alignment..🤣
IVE NEVER SEEN A INDUSTRIAL CAST HOUSING STYLE FLANGE BEARING ON A TRUCK BEFORE. 😅
Once you lift vehicles and mess with the geometry it’s easy to mess it all up. I’ve got a Jeep Wrangler and I decided to keep it stock because too often guys lift them and put huge tires but they do it on a budget and then they’re surprised they get the death wobble
Accurate diagnosis!...A rare breed in today's mechanics market!
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We spin and buff our racing tires, makes them truly round.
My death wobble was fixed with heavy duty traction bar bushings, Bilstein shocks and stabilizer, exactly the same pressure in each tire. 200,000 and rides great.
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I agree with you test driving the truck at highway speed. Almost all vehicles function well at 25mph, but when you are going 75mph not so much.
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I bought a Dodge Diesel years ago with oversized tires on factory rims. Used them for a month before i yanked them off for new stock size tires. Handling became so much better and fuel economy went way up.
Had a similar problem with my 2010 Expedition. Two mechanics misdiagnosed it. Finally they noticed the tires were uneven even though they had plenty of tread left.
Larger Tyres really need to be Lathe Machined ROUND before fitting !
I don’t have the over sized tires but I live on a horrible and I mean horrible dirt road. Two miles of potholes and washboarding! I changed my original shocks/struts/ and Brakes/rotors out. Of course you have to tear the front end down for the struts and I had purchased new ball joints but the factory joints showed zero wear at 127000 miles. 2015 Ram 4x4 quad cab 5.7/8spd/321 gears. Now has 141,500 miles and still doing well! 21-23 mpg. Last two Chevys had front end/ alignment/ transmission issues. one at 80,000 and one started at 11,000 miles. My Ram is hands down the best truck I’ve ever owned and I’ve had some of all!! My next will be a Ram but I guess I will have to get the Hurricane I6 in it🤷🏻♂️
This is common with all newer trucks that have solid front ends with coil, sprung suspension. The older trucks with leaf springs in the front although they rode like lumber wagons. They never had this problem. The issue is the coil spring suspension. Cannot keep the tires planted to the road and combine that with oversized tires. This is gonna lead to issues. The leaf spring trucks, the tires are firmly planted to the road and the issue is minimalized. For example, I had a 2018 ram 2500 4 x 4 and it kept eating front ends and kept eating tires. I sold that truck for a 1984 Chevy cucv. (Military k30) best decision I ever made anyways the Chevy cucv doesn’t eat tires and it does not eat front suspension. In fact, it still has its original front suspension from the factory. If manufactures would just go back to leaf springs on the front, it would solve a lot of issues, one being death wobble and two being worn out suspension issues.
I have a 2004 ram 1500 lifted and leveled on 35 inch firestone destination m/t that are way more aggressive than them tires. It rides smooth at highway speeds! Ive only had to replace upper control arms since I bought it in 2018.
Oversize tires with offset REDUCES payload and performance!
I have a 2021 Ram Laramie 1500 and was told by the dealer Do Not raise the chassis or put oversize tires on it. Which I’m fine with, I like to keep it the way it is. They said it would wear parts out quickly and would mess up all the trailering, braking and other sensors.
I concur.. I just put a clutch in one the other day on a ram just like that, and I was thinking the same on the test drive.
I ran 37s on a Dodge PowerWagon with full factory suspension for well over 100k miles and wheeled it and took it down many, many miles of dirt roads. Never had an issue with “dodge suspension”. When I did the first set of wheel bearings at 150k miles, I did a free spin kit to reduce overall wear on the trucks front running gear. The issue isn’t front suspension, it’s the weight of the diesels in most of these trucks. Also I would hazard to guess that a lot of trucks with oversized tires get worked harder and used in more extreme environments than those without. I sold that truck and it’s since been to the arctic circle and back with the new owner and zero issues.
Personally I hate the look of wheels and tires that stick out like that it does not look good to me. I like what looks good and functions as designed best. I try to stay stock sizes.
As a dodge driver for the last 14 years.....best thing I have ever done is free hub the truck. Your Hubs otherwise are always locked in...meaning even in two wheel drive your front drive train is still spinning. That amd greaseable front end components no issues
Dave i was a mechanic for 35 years and yes i did front end Alignments a lot i changed more front end parts on Dodge and Chevy than i did on any FORD mostly idler arms Drag links and steering Boxes 😮
Trac bar , a good one , also check everything , alinement , and a steering box brace .
What a beautiful truck and those tires they look amazing
Putting reverse wheels and oversize tires allows the weight be be outboard and off center. As such, the weight on the wheel now has leverage on the wheel bearings and ball joints.
Yup, had a set on my truck when i got it, usually the tires.
Nothing funnier than the ford f350 " death wobble" video
The guy in it is hilarious
" we got a death wobbles!!!!!""""
Teacher told me this 20 years ago. Offset is important.
I run 35" tires on my 2007.5 Dodge Ram, and have never experienced a "wobble, or the death wobble" ever. I just replaced the factory ball joints and control arms and they had 215,000mi on the stock parts. If your going to run a bigger tire on any truck "brand" especially 3/4-1Tons you need to make sure they are the 10ply and not those cheap BF Goodrich Tires. They are known for their weak sidewall and will cause that.
Good to know thanks dave
The easiest way to diagnose tires is to test drive for a base feel. Rotate tires front to rear. Test drive and feel if things have changed.
Happened to me. 35” super swampers, thought it was ball joints. Ended up being tires way out of balance. 🔥💰= lesson learned and never went back to that shop.
Every dodge truck I've had, I left totally stock and still had to rebuild the front end. One only had 19,000 miles.