That's a hell of a mentorship moment Dave! Well done... paying your wisdom forward for the next generation. These guys will remember this moment 40 years from now. Best of luck to them!
So true. I never bothered to noticed the difference between wisdom and knowledge. Dave might not be up to snuff on all the details of the newer stuff, yet somehow his wisdom and experience plays a role in the way they go about things that makes a positive impact no doubt.
@@pricetagcitrus He showed them there is a better way than tearing it apart to check the mains like they asked. He made sure they understood this engine is high mileage for what it is, and they left with a better understanding of what they were dealing with and how to best approach the situation. At least that is what I observed.
Gotta Pay Attention. You don't have guy's Like Dave all over the US! When he literally Gives you something that it took him 40 YEARS to Nail Down and be as GOOD as He is. YES, That is TEACHING!! As far as Experience..... You Can Not TEACH that!! You Learn It! Like his Son's are doing, They are Learning, However, from an EXPERT that Know's!! And his name is DAVE! Or to his Kids.... D A D....
Very respectful, while being assertive, without being disrespectful, praise to the young kid for thinking outside of the box, and getting a second high valued opinion, this channel is such a joy.
@@DavesAutoCenterCenterville you have people in the comments saying these V10 engines are very reliable and great. I haven’t seen 1 with 150k miles let alone 99k miles that didn’t have 50k of work done to it
I guess I'll give him credit for no one when they were in over their heads or out of their league and couldn't do it but they jumped in on the job when they saw how much money they would possibly make even though it was beyond their ability. Dave do you still warranty or repair with that used oil pump?
That young man's gonna go far as a mechanic. He was latched on to every word Dave spoke. There's something about a young man that is willing to listen to experience from others versus thinking he knows everything right off the rip.
As a mechanic that’s getting older now, my advice to these young guys would be that sometimes you gotta know when to turn jobs down and/or know when to walk away from one. This thing is a can of worms I’d never wanna get into but I admire their work ethic and tenacity. Be kind to these young guys Dave and help em out as much as you can. A little wisdom and encouragement can go a long way to helping steer a young man the right direction
Maybe they should save up their money and get one of those machines they can hook up the engines to and check everything without taking the engine down. It would save them hundreds of thousands of dollars over time.
As a 38 year tradesman in business for 26 years I would like to compliment that young man for asking for help from this older mechanic. Smart move. Next I would like to compliment this older mechanic for teaching and advising this young man with absolutely great advice. Mentoring from older guys is almost a thing of the past.
As an 80 year old retired mechanic I appreciate the extra time you spent with these young guys. In my mid-20's I didn't know what all I didn't know! Looking back, I'm sure I tried the patience of a few guys but it sure helped me.
Abused yes no doubt, but it has 15000 miles,? They made it sound like that’s a lot? I’m confused, even though it’s been abused, and we don’t know that, being a Lamborghini, and most people who probably rent one of these things do not know how to drive them , they are probably not like jumping into your mustang or whatever and ripping. So being abused I’m not to sure on that. And these are made to go fast. I just find it weird that it only has 15000 on it and they made sound like a lot? Sorry I’m missing something! lol
Soon as he said it was a rental at some point I knew this thing was toasted. Guarantee you this was run hard every chance a driver had, taking it to redline in every gear, burning the crap out of it, and the rental agency did not maintain it properly. Either let it run low on oil or never changed it, especially after hard runs. After you do the compression test if there’s still issues, RUN from this as fast as you can!
@@steven-nb6rt i just hope they aren't being set up... "We know this has tons of issues so we'll pawn it off on a honest hard working garage just too claim they damaged it". Even if this happens, i have a feeling these guys will recover and be a solid shop in the end.
In aircraft maintenance we always kept our fleet on a oil spectrometric oil analysis program ( soap) . The military does also. With any kind of exotic car I would want to keep it on a soap program. During oil changes a sample of oil is taken as well as a filter and sent to a lab. The lab could send you back a report of the various metals in parts per million that is in the oil that were either normal or abnormal readings. Any abnormal readings could point to a part failure internally, and you were ahead of the curve by knowing what corrective action would be coming down the road . It’s hard to believe people that own these expensive cars wouldn’t want to do the same thing to prevent these types of failures.
The rich don't drive them 😂. It's money down the drain. They'd rather have it as a status symbol but not much else. Oil change is a few thousand easy. Hell, any basic maintenance is thousands of dollars
Something smells fishy about this one. The car has been on the road for 10 years, and 15,000 miles. Hundreds of operating hours. Comes in for an electric rack, a coil, and maybe a service. Suddenly, the oil pump goes on them too? Lots of extra talking, filler, and distractions. E.g. "I heard it was a rental", "Someone else has serviced the engine before, see these marks?" "Look at this broken bolt someone irresponsibly didn't replace" While Dave is sitting there going "uh-huh, yeah." At the end of the day, it's a VW product and they can fail. That said, that V10 has a pretty solid track-record for reliability. It may not be coincidence that this unrelated major failure occurred in these same moments under the care of these guys. I think Dave knows that too, but didn't want to put them on the spot like that. Rightfully so, as nothing is going to hurt them worse than the cost of what could be a mistake made by this little shop. As a technician myself, surprise failures while a car is under our care are almost always the result of someone being a human. Making a mistake or two along the way happens sometimes, as much as we try to focus. I messed a really big job when I was young and starting out, years ago. I'm sure it has happened to Dave a time or two. I remember that feeling of desperation, you can almost see it on his face in the video. Sometimes you get lucky, and it just ends up being a big scare. Sometimes things really do break at extremely inconvenient times. Fingers crossed for this engine, and the shop owners regardless. That's just my take based on the little peek this video gave us all into what is to surely be a great set of videos to see. Great vid and knowledge sharing, as always.
With that much material in the oil filter I would be taking the sump off before spending any time hooking it up to a bench. If the sump is full of glitter its game over. Full engine rebuild time as its going to be everywhere. These dry sump pumps on the V10s are crazy powerful, its why they are shaft driven. The old pump can easily be refurbished, in fact thats what I would do. Its not cheap but much better to start with a "new" pump vs a used one. There are specialist companies that will do a rebuild, or you can get parts and DIY - they are not actually that complex.
Dave as a former shop owner and someone who’s worked on my fair share of exotics, I can tell you exactly what happened…a dealer who uses this guy for euro work said “got a lambo with a small issue, think you can help me out?” This is where people who aren’t well versed in these cars should bow out. There are too many little things you need to know to just jump into an exotic. They are a whole different animal. Don’t waste time on your machine. Metal in filter….motor needs to come apart. You might be able to salvage some parts now….
Plus exotics are the number one place for abuse and fraudulant sales. I'm never surprised when any exotic or luxury car has issues early, because people who can afford them typically don't care about maintenance costs or damage. I can't imagine buying a "certified" used Lexus or BMW or anything of the sort is ever a good idea, lol.
This is exactly what happened, exotics require specific know how (speaking as a current exotic tech), and also sometimes comes down to information that was passed down from one tech to another since technical documentation is usually lacking. Kudos to them for going to someone who specializes in their field and will do right by the customer. Huracans and aventadors aren’t usually prone to major engine failure unless they’ve have turbo kits and horrible tunes.
High performance engines usually will have high abuse owners. High RPM (Revolutions Per Minute) Reving the engine to show off, smoking tires doing donuts, 180 mile per hour driving, sideway driving around curves. My theory is such an expensive engine suffering major damage at 15,000 miles is the result of a crazy driver. That engine in my opinion has been abused. Mechanical devices deserve to be treated with respect. I don't care if one is driving a Lamborghini, Corvette or any other mechanical device, drive like a grandpa and your vehicle will last much longer. Don't ever buy a used crotch rocket motorcycle. Those drivers are insane Reving their engines at 8 to 9 thousand RPM's in neutral just to show off. You will be buying nothing but problems buying such a vehicle. I own a crotch rocket and I am a rare exception to the rule. Never spin my tires, never pop the clutch, never do wheeles, rarely drive over 45 miles per hour and never rev the engine. I know, I'm boring but my vehicles last a very long time. Treat mechanical devices with respect.
@@kurtjammer9568 They could just buy a toureg, or an Audi with this base block with an oil pump for less than this oil pump sells for used. I have cheated the game a number of times with these top end cars
@BentonL yes a friend of mine has a maserati and it apparently was going to cost $10k just for a waterpump and his cousin laughed and said they are only $120 off a ford v8 I think it was
I have been a shade tree mechanic my entire life (There is a very cute picture of me at 18 months old covered in grease and oil head to toe while my father rebuild a Jeep engine--I helped!). I've torn down and rebuilt engines, drivetrains, suspensions...shade tree style. I stopped touching engines when the computers became smarter than me. There is no way I would put a wrench on that type of engine. Great job!
The 5.0L V10 engine from Lamborghini, especially from 04-05, are plagued with issues. More specifically, rod bearings commonly wearing down near 40-50K miles or SOONER, the primary cats can break down and shooting catalytic material back into the motor, as well as general oil consumption issues. Generally; it’s a weak motor in comparison to the 5.2L V10 introduced in 09’ and doesn’t withstand much boost or modifications for anyone that’s tried to push these motors further. A shame! Because these 5.0L engines sound unbelievable.
Super Anxious for part 2 !!!!! This one smells like someone ( probably the dealer ) is not being above board/ dealing off the bottom of the deck….You know what I am saying. Not the Kid I think he is being a straight shooter.
Amazing guidance, Dave! Showed them respect and gave them valuable time. I also applaud them for coming to you. They clearly want to get this done correctly and make a living. You're a good man!
Sometimes you have no other option than to work with the budget of the customer. It's likely that the used pump was the customers decision, or the only part they could get their hands on in the timeframe.
I love that you shared your knowledge with those young men in a very kind and respectful way. So many shop owners are afraid to "help the competition". Kudos to you Dave!
I think the possibility of the engine not sustaining damage after oil pump failure is quite low. We'll see what the next episode reveals and look forward to seeing it. Because the engine history is sketchy, I think it should be disassembled, inspected and parts replaced as needed. At least you know what you have...
I love how you always push diag time first, and how thorough you’re diag is. So many shops will blindly waste the customers money on unnecessary repairs, or repairs that only treat the symptom without addressing the cause.
The kid huh , I remember thinking at that age that I was fully an adult . Sure we all know we can learn something extra from others . It's a time of life when we prefer to not look ten years younger than we are but it happens.
You are a class act Dave! A lot of folks would have run that young man off as soon as he pulled out the used pump. He is trying to take of his customer, who is trying not to clean out his bank account. He stopped when he knew things just weren't looking right and sought the assistance from someone much more knowledgeable.
Dave you are an absolute Master. Taking the time to show these young mechanics what you do and will help them find out what’s going on with the lambo engine. You sir are the meaning of “ Priceless “.
I have an Audi V10 (mostly the same motor as Audi acquired Lambo in 2004). I am guessing this thing leaked from the get-go, torn down to the cooler, and the mechanic used too much RTV on reassembly ... That rtv got stuck in the pickup, which is why we are here.
Dave that’s awesome, it’s great to see the inner workings of your thought processes. Doesn’t matter if it’s a big old diesel or a lambo engine you know how to sniff out a problem
A brand new Lambo engine with a seized oil pump? That's the most unheard of thing I've ever heard of! You really jagged an interesting one here Dave! It's gonna be cool!
LoL. Italian cars are well known for their "reliability". All brands. Especially alfa, lambo, masserati and ferrari. Fiat would be most reliable, but still crap.
My father was a good mechanic . In cental oregon if you wanted your car fixed right you took it to my dad. He went to klamathfalls tech school. He was good . Taught us enough to work on our own cars. . Nice to see you so helpful. Im 68 . It was the older cars easier . I love your channel
Just started watching your videos Dave. Your a hell of a mechanic/instructor & overall str8 shooter type of dude! I love it.... Definitely one of the last breeds of decent human beings that have character & pride in what they do & who they are. Love car culture & the peeps that make it up!
@@steven-nb6rtAny engine can and will fail at ANY mileage if it's abused bad enough. Believe me, I've rebuilt failed engines that had less than 10 hours of run time on them. It's all in how you treat them.
Why, why? Why, why do these people not just come to your shop in the first place, it just blows my mind how they waste their time and money not doing it right the first time.
Way to go Dave, I love the way you pass on your knowledge, I’ve been in aviation for 35 years and I love to do the same thing, pass on experience to the younger guys that want to learn, nicely done
Mechanics often have no other option than to work within the budget, time-frame, and requests of the customer. It's possible that the customer wouldn't have approved a deeper inspection without the opinion of an expert such as dave.
i just get the fealing this kid tried 2 do a repair and was in over his head and screwed up as his skill level for working on that kind of stuff hasnt developed far enough yet and Dave spoted it
I love watching Dave communicate. He is an incredible manager, and an amazing leader, a wonderful teacher; and of course a world-class mechanic and problem solver. He always remains calm and unflappable.The kid knew he was in the presence of someone who knows much more than him and to his credit he let Dave be Dave.
Dave you are amazing! If I didn’t live in VA - I’d travel a few states for you and your shop to maintain my vehicles. I’m NOT a mechanic at all and the 4 C’s was a mental game changer. THANK YOU - God Bless.
Great channel Dave, Love your ethic and diligence. There's some guys in Calif - Sheepey Race started w/Honda's and now specialize in Lambos, Ferrari, Audi, etc. you name it - they've done it (1500-2k HPower) and know these engines upside down and bkwards. Just a ref if you need someone in this area of V-10, NOT EVER that you do not, but as you said this isn't your regular customer. Good luck, looking fwd to the Cause and Confirm.
LMAO! We call that a sh#t ton! I love the "Dont sugar coat it" attitude this shop has. It's the very difference between getting it done and not getting it. LOVE THIS SHOP!
I would have loved to work for Dave in my younger years. He is a master automotive technician. He knows engines inside and out. Much respect to this man's achievements.
This young mechanic knew he needed some help on this, so kudos to Dave for helping him out with a really messy situation - a car that belongs to some guy who got it from a used car dealership who brought the thing to the young mechanic's shop who brought it to Dave for help. That's sort of like putting on a dead man's shoes. And kudos to Dave for sharing his years of experience with the 4 C's. In my business, I always used to say "none of us are as smart as all of us working together". That sure applies here.
Most likely if it was a rental and is 10 years old. Just wasent maintained properly. The v10s are known for burning oil so prob was being driven on low oil for a while. Which caused all these problems
These are super easy to clock. It's also super easy to tell if it's clocked you just need to check the mileage on the other modules like the transmission matches the speedo.
@@actualizare that requires a secondary device that intercepts and falsified CAN messages for the engine and transmission controllors. The vast majority of devices will simply block the gauge cluster.
Dave is the man. A straight shooter. Awesome how he mentors these two young men. The world needs more of that. If I ever need an engine done I'll certainly consider Dave's shop and I'm in Tennessee.
Dave is the man. A real straight shooter. Awesome how he tries to mentor these young men. The world needs more of that. If I ever need a motor done I'll certainly consider Dave's shop and I'm in Tennessee.
Hopefuly they weren’t out joyriding it beating the sack off it and broke it! That could be a deal breaker for a new shop mainly the representation of the shop. Mechanic here myself almost 20 years so I do understand sometimes crap happens and at the worst time, let’s hope the pump fixes it!
No doubt it’s gonna be $ to repair. Being a rental, the Lambo was likely beat on. Can’t wait to see how this goes. Dave is an experienced mechanic. Great video 👍
I absolutely love this video Dave, by far the best. Perhaps instill in this young man Good habits. Bad habits in mechanics make life rough on the customer and the next mechanic
Was always told to follow the "4 C's". What is the Complaint? What Caused it? How did you Correct the problem? Did you Confirm your work? Dang good guidance for younger techs.
A great call Dave and very encouraging this young guy and his buddy have eaten humble pie and asked for some help. They found the right place to get some really sound advice. I was a motor engineer for 35 years serving an apprenticeship during the early to mid 1970's. As cars gradually became more and more complicated to repair I decided to call it a day after running my own shop for 24 years. I really admire these young guys coming into the industry and facing some enormous challenges with such enthusiasm, but hey, THEY MUST do their due diligence! If they are working on an engine of such high value THEY MUST ALWAYS take into account where they stand financially if it all goes wrong for what ever reason! At the moment this story has all the hallmarks of a hire company or another repair shop looking for an enthusiastic, young fall guy to blame for the engine failure? Lets hope I am wrong? My advice: Unless you have a wealth of specialist experience with any particular power plant manufacturer PLUS an extremely robust P/L Insurance policy if it all goes pear shaped then don't go there. If in ANY doubt. . . leave well alone! Good luck to these guys and look forward to the next episode. Dave P. Hertfordshire UK
Red flag 1: was a rental Red flag 2: engine was taken apart in the past Red flag 3: engine not at a Lambo service center Engine is toast. Probably auction purchase that is going sideways. I really hope this younf mechanic is not held liable for this.
Based on your videos, I decided to bring in my F350 that appears to have an issue with the High Pressure Fuel pump which requires a substantial tear down. Great videos that promote trustworthy service and complex repairs.
Dave, that was amazing advice You gave these young guys at the end, I'm not a mechanic but I try to do preventive maintainance on the family vehicle and im going to note those points down. Thanks !
This was good to watch. I was sad because my cars engine is getting old and tired at 225,000 miles. I can't imagine what it must feel like to blow an engine at 15,000 miles.
Dave, if parts are needed for that V10, check for either the Audi version or Volkswagen version of the part to save on costs. With the bell housing bolt holes, those may need TimeSerts and swap in some ARP hardware instead of the aluminum alloy bolts.
I smell a scam! The used car lot new there was an oil issue, found a young mechanic with a new shop and thought hey, let’s give it to him as he messed up and he owes the customer a rebuild! Just speculation on my part but it’s suspicious to me that they entrust an exotic car with a green mechanic with full trust? Doesn’t seem right to me ! I’m thinking I’d insist it go to Lamborghini if I was a used car dealer that did it want to be on the hook for a new engine myself! Especially since it’s at a used car lot with 15,000 miles!
I agree completely. The used pump is evidence that there is no money behind this job, and that someone is making decisions based on poor diagnostics or blind hope. It is very suspicious to hand that car to a mechanic who at best is three years a journeyman, if that. Customers, and there are three of them before Dave, have to pass the "flake test". None of the three do, and I'm surprised Dave is willing to get involved. Maybe Dave is correct and that filter is full of crap after "ten seconds" of no oil pressure. Maybe not and the "shit dump" turns into a shit show.
😂😂, you are so suspicious of the Dealer without any evidence of what your accusing. The person or Rental Agency who previously had possession of it could have trashed it then had some patch job repair done then sent it to the Auction where it ran good enough for no one to detect…not even Dealer or their customer until it was too late. To me the Dealer is helping their customer who bought it by bringing it to this young Shop owner who seems to have some very good credentials and background. Lambo V10 engines are complicated so he took it to Dave. Good job young Tech
Every single dave that I have known and met have been the niceset people. And this one is no exception it would be a honner and a blessing to meat you DAVE!!
This guy is very very smart. He knew he was in over his head and seek out somebody who knows more than he does for help. That is very, very smart.
How will him being smart create extra homosexual special rights ?
He's no illegal mexican !
Agreed, go ask for help, I do it all the time👍
It certainly is.
That’s correct.
He had no choice
That's a hell of a mentorship moment Dave! Well done... paying your wisdom forward for the next generation. These guys will remember this moment 40 years from now. Best of luck to them!
So true. I never bothered to noticed the difference between wisdom and knowledge. Dave might not be up to snuff on all the details of the newer stuff, yet somehow his wisdom and experience plays a role in the way they go about things that makes a positive impact no doubt.
What exactly did he teach them? They don't have a sim test machine or the oil pump so they don't know how it failed. They literally know nothing yet.
@@pricetagcitrus - He tutored them on the "Four C's"... 😉
@@pricetagcitrus He showed them there is a better way than tearing it apart to check the mains like they asked. He made sure they understood this engine is high mileage for what it is, and they left with a better understanding of what they were dealing with and how to best approach the situation.
At least that is what I observed.
Gotta Pay Attention. You don't have guy's Like Dave all over the US! When he literally Gives you something that it took him 40 YEARS to Nail Down and be as GOOD as He is. YES, That is TEACHING!! As far as Experience..... You Can Not TEACH that!! You Learn It! Like his Son's are doing, They are Learning, However, from an EXPERT that Know's!! And his name is DAVE! Or to his Kids.... D A D....
Very respectful, while being assertive, without being disrespectful, praise to the young kid for thinking outside of the box, and getting a second high valued opinion, this channel is such a joy.
Yes, these young men deserve kudos👍
@@DavesAutoCenterCenterville you have people in the comments saying these V10 engines are very reliable and great. I haven’t seen 1 with 150k miles let alone 99k miles that didn’t have 50k of work done to it
@@stavroslask1292 I mean... using 150k miles as a measurement if a 700+ hp high perofrmance v10 engine is reliable is a bit strange...
@@KTMmarkus ok 75k miles…..
I guess I'll give him credit for no one when they were in over their heads or out of their league and couldn't do it but they jumped in on the job when they saw how much money they would possibly make even though it was beyond their ability. Dave do you still warranty or repair with that used oil pump?
That motor is a barrel of monkeys. Be careful.
It’s a barrel of barrels of monkeys.
Yeah totally red flags when a motor guys bringing the motor to another motor guy red flags all day.📡🇺🇸👽 Pulling a 1-900 it's your fault.
omg, the replaced parts and witness marks - if this is from a RENTAL lambo, i might not care as much
Think cubic dollars.
@@paulskopic5844I digg that gauge
If it was a rental (as the kid in the video suggested), then you KNOW that it was well-maintained & gently driven by little old ladies.😊
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
😂
Just needed "something low to the ground to drive to bingo in"
And the mileage was never "tempered' with. I'd bet it has odometer tampering device in there still
@@DavesAutoCenterCenterville Mayday Mayday Abandon Ship, Abandon Ship, get off that Lambo Titanic before she goes under.
That young man's gonna go far as a mechanic. He was latched on to every word Dave spoke. There's something about a young man that is willing to listen to experience from others versus thinking he knows everything right off the rip.
Agreed👍. Wish him the best
As a mechanic that’s getting older now, my advice to these young guys would be that sometimes you gotta know when to turn jobs down and/or know when to walk away from one. This thing is a can of worms I’d never wanna get into but I admire their work ethic and tenacity. Be kind to these young guys Dave and help em out as much as you can. A little wisdom and encouragement can go a long way to helping steer a young man the right direction
I’ll take this advice with me thank u🙏
We turn a lot of job away great advice
Maybe they should save up their money and get one of those machines they can hook up the engines to and check everything without taking the engine down. It would save them hundreds of thousands of dollars over time.
PLEASE film the WHOLE process of this. I love watching to guys at work with all your machinery.
As a 38 year tradesman in business for 26 years I would like to compliment that young man for asking for help from this older mechanic. Smart move. Next I would like to compliment this older mechanic for teaching and advising this young man with absolutely great advice. Mentoring from older guys is almost a thing of the past.
As an 80 year old retired mechanic I appreciate the extra time you spent with these young guys. In my mid-20's I didn't know what all I didn't know! Looking back, I'm sure I tried the patience of a few guys but it sure helped me.
Right on
If it was a rental,it was probably abused by several renters. This could be the end of the road for that Lambo.
It was probably abused by 99% of the renters
Seems like it's the end of the road for anyone who can't for whatever reason dump the required money into it.
I’d have caned the living fuck out of a rental Lambo. 😂
Abused yes no doubt, but it has 15000 miles,? They made it sound like that’s a lot? I’m confused, even though it’s been abused, and we don’t know that, being a Lamborghini, and most people who probably rent one of these things do not know how to drive them , they are probably not like jumping into your mustang or whatever and ripping. So being abused I’m not to sure on that. And these are made to go fast. I just find it weird that it only has 15000 on it and they made sound like a lot? Sorry I’m missing something! lol
Buying a Lambo is like marrying a pr0st1tute. It'll drain your accounts, run up debts, seduce your friends, and you'll never know a worry-free moment.
Soon as he said it was a rental at some point I knew this thing was toasted. Guarantee you this was run hard every chance a driver had, taking it to redline in every gear, burning the crap out of it, and the rental agency did not maintain it properly. Either let it run low on oil or never changed it, especially after hard runs.
After you do the compression test if there’s still issues, RUN from this as fast as you can!
Soon as he found out it was a rental he should've ran. I would almost bet the house it was ran low on oil or never changed after the warranty was up.
And I bet the rental company had a milage blocker to so it’s prob twice that
@@verteup I didn't know the car was a rental. Personally I would have not touched the car with a 10 foot pole. chuckles.
@@steven-nb6rt i just hope they aren't being set up... "We know this has tons of issues so we'll pawn it off on a honest hard working garage just too claim they damaged it". Even if this happens, i have a feeling these guys will recover and be a solid shop in the end.
How are you gonna run a Huracan to redline every gear on the street? 😂 just trying to imagine the logistics there. Agree with your point though
Amazing to see the discussion with the young mechanic.
It didn't have 15,000 miles, it had a mileage blocker on it. I would guess 50,000 miles.
either that or some idiot revved it to the limiter in neutral
In aircraft maintenance we always kept our fleet on a oil spectrometric oil analysis program ( soap) . The military does also. With any kind of exotic car I would want to keep it on a soap program. During oil changes a sample of oil is taken as well as a filter and sent to a lab. The lab could send you back a report of the various metals in parts per million that is in the oil that were either normal or abnormal readings. Any abnormal readings could point to a part failure internally, and you were ahead of the curve by knowing what corrective action would be coming down the road . It’s hard to believe people that own these expensive cars wouldn’t want to do the same thing to prevent these types of failures.
We do that for our offroad trucks too. Every 250 rpm hours.
Running 16-20 drive hours per day, that test interval comes up pretty quick.
Spot on sir. Only way to be sure what's going on inside the motor.
SOAP saml
Another great comment from our aircraft community 👍
The rich don't drive them 😂. It's money down the drain. They'd rather have it as a status symbol but not much else. Oil change is a few thousand easy. Hell, any basic maintenance is thousands of dollars
I hope this kid protected himself from liability. Used car dealerships aren’t usually managed by the most trustworthy people
The used car dealer most likely knew the engine was toast and tried to pawn liability off on these guys.
Definitely see that. They seem worried the dealership probably already shifted the liability to them
Just like anything across professions,you touch it you own it.
Something smells fishy about this one. The car has been on the road for 10 years, and 15,000 miles. Hundreds of operating hours. Comes in for an electric rack, a coil, and maybe a service. Suddenly, the oil pump goes on them too? Lots of extra talking, filler, and distractions. E.g. "I heard it was a rental", "Someone else has serviced the engine before, see these marks?" "Look at this broken bolt someone irresponsibly didn't replace" While Dave is sitting there going "uh-huh, yeah."
At the end of the day, it's a VW product and they can fail. That said, that V10 has a pretty solid track-record for reliability.
It may not be coincidence that this unrelated major failure occurred in these same moments under the care of these guys. I think Dave knows that too, but didn't want to put them on the spot like that. Rightfully so, as nothing is going to hurt them worse than the cost of what could be a mistake made by this little shop. As a technician myself, surprise failures while a car is under our care are almost always the result of someone being a human. Making a mistake or two along the way happens sometimes, as much as we try to focus. I messed a really big job when I was young and starting out, years ago. I'm sure it has happened to Dave a time or two. I remember that feeling of desperation, you can almost see it on his face in the video.
Sometimes you get lucky, and it just ends up being a big scare. Sometimes things really do break at extremely inconvenient times. Fingers crossed for this engine, and the shop owners regardless.
That's just my take based on the little peek this video gave us all into what is to surely be a great set of videos to see.
Great vid and knowledge sharing, as always.
With that much material in the oil filter I would be taking the sump off before spending any time hooking it up to a bench. If the sump is full of glitter its game over. Full engine rebuild time as its going to be everywhere. These dry sump pumps on the V10s are crazy powerful, its why they are shaft driven. The old pump can easily be refurbished, in fact thats what I would do. Its not cheap but much better to start with a "new" pump vs a used one. There are specialist companies that will do a rebuild, or you can get parts and DIY - they are not actually that complex.
Dave as a former shop owner and someone who’s worked on my fair share of exotics, I can tell you exactly what happened…a dealer who uses this guy for euro work said “got a lambo with a small issue, think you can help me out?” This is where people who aren’t well versed in these cars should bow out. There are too many little things you need to know to just jump into an exotic. They are a whole different animal. Don’t waste time on your machine. Metal in filter….motor needs to come apart. You might be able to salvage some parts now….
Plus exotics are the number one place for abuse and fraudulant sales. I'm never surprised when any exotic or luxury car has issues early, because people who can afford them typically don't care about maintenance costs or damage.
I can't imagine buying a "certified" used Lexus or BMW or anything of the sort is ever a good idea, lol.
Thanks for the feedback
This is exactly what happened, exotics require specific know how (speaking as a current exotic tech), and also sometimes comes down to information that was passed down from one tech to another since technical documentation is usually lacking. Kudos to them for going to someone who specializes in their field and will do right by the customer. Huracans and aventadors aren’t usually prone to major engine failure unless they’ve have turbo kits and horrible tunes.
High performance engines usually will have high abuse owners. High RPM (Revolutions Per Minute) Reving the engine to show off, smoking tires doing donuts, 180 mile per hour driving, sideway driving around curves. My theory is such an expensive engine suffering major damage at 15,000 miles is the result of a crazy driver. That engine in my opinion has been abused. Mechanical devices deserve to be treated with respect. I don't care if one is driving a Lamborghini, Corvette or any other mechanical device, drive like a grandpa and your vehicle will last much longer. Don't ever buy a used crotch rocket motorcycle. Those drivers are insane Reving their engines at 8 to 9 thousand RPM's in neutral just to show off. You will be buying nothing but problems buying such a vehicle. I own a crotch rocket and I am a rare exception to the rule. Never spin my tires, never pop the clutch, never do wheeles, rarely drive over 45 miles per hour and never rev the engine. I know, I'm boring but my vehicles last a very long time. Treat mechanical devices with respect.
Its very common for these cars to have their odometers rolled back. 15k miles is very unlikely.
How do they roll them back?
@@Dave-bz4pbTheir are hackers out there.
15k miles is hard miles on a lambo..
@@kurtjammer9568 They could just buy a toureg, or an Audi with this base block with an oil pump for less than this oil pump sells for used. I have cheated the game a number of times with these top end cars
@BentonL yes a friend of mine has a maserati and it apparently was going to cost $10k just for a waterpump and his cousin laughed and said they are only $120 off a ford v8 I think it was
I have been a shade tree mechanic my entire life (There is a very cute picture of me at 18 months old covered in grease and oil head to toe while my father rebuild a Jeep engine--I helped!). I've torn down and rebuilt engines, drivetrains, suspensions...shade tree style. I stopped touching engines when the computers became smarter than me. There is no way I would put a wrench on that type of engine. Great job!
Thanks for sharing!
The 5.0L V10 engine from Lamborghini, especially from 04-05, are plagued with issues. More specifically, rod bearings commonly wearing down near 40-50K miles or SOONER, the primary cats can break down and shooting catalytic material back into the motor, as well as general oil consumption issues. Generally; it’s a weak motor in comparison to the 5.2L V10 introduced in 09’ and doesn’t withstand much boost or modifications for anyone that’s tried to push these motors further. A shame! Because these 5.0L engines sound unbelievable.
Very interesting appraisal. Good comment.
You taking the time to share your wisdom with these young men I pray lands well and brings success full circle.
What was the wisdom? The 4Cs?
Super Anxious for part 2 !!!!! This one smells like someone ( probably the dealer ) is not being above board/ dealing off the bottom of the deck….You know what I am saying. Not the Kid I think he is being a straight shooter.
You should price the oil change at the actual lambo dealership
Love seeing Dave taking the time to mentor a young stranger. The world needs more Dave's!
Got that right love this channel
Amazing guidance, Dave! Showed them respect and gave them valuable time. I also applaud them for coming to you. They clearly want to get this done correctly and make a living. You're a good man!
Much appreciated!
Poor kid sounds like hes trying to get it done as cheap as possible and Dave is trying to do as best as possible.
Sometimes you have no other option than to work with the budget of the customer. It's likely that the used pump was the customers decision, or the only part they could get their hands on in the timeframe.
Naw this young man isn't trying for lowest bidder. I didn't catch if he knew that Dave's does YT, but he knew what he was getting into
I love that you shared your knowledge with those young men in a very kind and respectful way. So many shop owners are afraid to "help the competition".
Kudos to you Dave!
I think the possibility of the engine not sustaining damage after oil pump failure is quite low. We'll see what the next episode reveals and look forward to seeing it. Because the engine history is sketchy, I think it should be disassembled, inspected and parts replaced as needed. At least you know what you have...
Good to see young mechanics going for it & listening to Wisdom - we need more; keep coming!! Thank's Dave & Crew!!
Our pleasure!
There's a shortage of mechanics in Australia if you looking to migrate.
I love how you always push diag time first, and how thorough you’re diag is. So many shops will blindly waste the customers money on unnecessary repairs, or repairs that only treat the symptom without addressing the cause.
You could tell the kid was super grateful to get 5 mins of mentorship from Dave. Love it!
The kid huh , I remember thinking at that age that I was fully an adult . Sure we all know we can learn something extra from others . It's a time of life when we prefer to not look ten years younger than we are but it happens.
@@Philip-hv2kca kid in the grand scheme of life dude. Use your brain
You are a class act Dave! A lot of folks would have run that young man off as soon as he pulled out the used pump. He is trying to take of his customer, who is trying not to clean out his bank account. He stopped when he knew things just weren't looking right and sought the assistance from someone much more knowledgeable.
Dave you are an absolute Master. Taking the time to show these young mechanics what you do and will help them find out what’s going on with the lambo engine. You sir are the meaning of “ Priceless “.
I have an Audi V10 (mostly the same motor as Audi acquired Lambo in 2004). I am guessing this thing leaked from the get-go, torn down to the cooler, and the mechanic used too much RTV on reassembly ... That rtv got stuck in the pickup, which is why we are here.
rtv is these days, obsolete. Loctite 518 or the Permatex equivalent is vastly safer and superior to sealing joints. Only numbnuts use rtv.
What is RTV?
@@Chad-Giga. silicon gasket maker.
Italian cars leak too
They put a junkyard oil pump on a lamborghini engine? Daheck
Dave that’s awesome, it’s great to see the inner workings of your thought processes. Doesn’t matter if it’s a big old diesel or a lambo engine you know how to sniff out a problem
Your a great guy Dave! You have taught myself the 4 C’s and I now run my small shop by it and I thank you for your mentorship!
Keep doing what you’re doing Dave! No sugar coating. Just the straight scoop. I wish all people appreciated that like those young men did. 👍
A brand new Lambo engine with a seized oil pump? That's the most unheard of thing I've ever heard of! You really jagged an interesting one here Dave! It's gonna be cool!
LoL. Italian cars are well known for their "reliability". All brands. Especially alfa, lambo, masserati and ferrari. Fiat would be most reliable, but still crap.
It was a rental, you can imagine the abuse and launch control attempts.
@@WhiteLivesMatterPLLamborghini hasn't been italian in decades.
@@WhiteLivesMatterPLI mean imagine how car owners buy them cars with little knowledge and just do what they wanna do to them.
@@DexBunny Don't care. They still catch fire like crazy
I’m not sure I’d even touch that. He’s getting it third hand with with really no repair history.
My father was a good mechanic . In cental oregon if you wanted your car fixed right you took it to my dad. He went to klamathfalls tech school. He was good . Taught us enough to work on our own cars. . Nice to see you so helpful. Im 68 . It was the older cars easier . I love your channel
Great to see the old Master at work. Great advice Dave!. That kid has a bright future provided he stays well away from the Black holes nearby......
Shotgun instead of a rifle never heard that excellence friend Blessings to you all out there pray this world gets straightened around
Just started watching your videos Dave. Your a hell of a mechanic/instructor & overall str8 shooter type of dude! I love it.... Definitely one of the last breeds of decent human beings that have character & pride in what they do & who they are. Love car culture & the peeps that make it up!
Outstanding Dave, really nice to see you sharing your knowledge and expertise with a young guy. We need more people like you
Nothing about age but these mechanics seemed to be in very deep waters here.
That's what I'm thinking. Props to the guys for having the humility to seek help when the problem seemed out of their scope.
Possibly going to get stitched up by owner/dealer if not very careful....
That's not humility that's an oh shi* moment. Better take it to someone who has an idea. @@r.b.ratieta6111
I think the two mechanics knew that. Engines like that are in a league of their own. Only thing I greatly question is failure at 15,000???
@@steven-nb6rtAny engine can and will fail at ANY mileage if it's abused bad enough. Believe me, I've rebuilt failed engines that had less than 10 hours of run time on them. It's all in how you treat them.
Why, why? Why, why do these people not just come to your shop in the first place, it just blows my mind how they waste their time and money not doing it right the first time.
Maximum respect to you and your shop Dave. Many shops would not go anywhere near that engine. Your systematic way of working is second to none 👍🏼
Thanks 👍
Way to go Dave, I love the way you pass on your knowledge, I’ve been in aviation for 35 years and I love to do the same thing, pass on experience to the younger guys that want to learn, nicely done
That is awesome!
"Just check the bottom end" Bois are about to get learnt.
Learn what?
@@pricetagcitrusthe true meaning of "easier said than done"
Exactly my thought was. "Sit down and let me tell you something". Haha
Mechanics often have no other option than to work within the budget, time-frame, and requests of the customer. It's possible that the customer wouldn't have approved a deeper inspection without the opinion of an expert such as dave.
why do i get the fealing i smell something funkie with this engine that this kid is not telling u
i just get the fealing this kid tried 2 do a repair and was in over his head and screwed up as his skill level for working on that kind of stuff hasnt developed far enough yet and Dave spoted it
Crossed my mind
I love watching Dave communicate. He is an incredible manager, and an amazing leader, a wonderful teacher; and of course a world-class mechanic and problem solver. He always remains calm and unflappable.The kid knew he was in the presence of someone who knows much more than him and to his credit he let Dave be Dave.
Dave you are amazing! If I didn’t live in VA - I’d travel a few states for you and your shop to maintain my vehicles. I’m NOT a mechanic at all and the 4 C’s was a mental game changer. THANK YOU - God Bless.
Great channel Dave, Love your ethic and diligence. There's some guys in Calif - Sheepey Race started w/Honda's and now specialize in Lambos, Ferrari, Audi, etc. you name it - they've done it (1500-2k HPower) and know these engines upside down and bkwards. Just a ref if you need someone in this area of V-10, NOT EVER that you do not, but as you said this isn't your regular customer. Good luck, looking fwd to the Cause and Confirm.
HARD PASS. Sorry, son, I don't think we can help you with this one. This is a "nobody wins" scenario if I've ever seen one.
This man is always dropping Gems , helping us learn. Not everyone is willing to share the knowledge.Thank you very much sir 💯
seeing you take on these young guys and really give them love and advice warms my heart. Dave you are whats good in this world!
It’s a defective engine! Italians aren’t known for building engines or transmissions that last 300k miles
good thing it's German. The 5.2 v10 is well-known for its excellent reliability.
@@samuelmurphy8692 dude spare me! No lambo or Ferrari engine lasts 100k miles
LMAO! We call that a sh#t ton! I love the "Dont sugar coat it" attitude this shop has. It's the very difference between getting it done and not getting it. LOVE THIS SHOP!
I would have loved to work for Dave in my younger years. He is a master automotive technician. He knows engines inside and out. Much respect to this man's achievements.
This young mechanic knew he needed some help on this, so kudos to Dave for helping him out with a really messy situation - a car that belongs to some guy who got it from a used car dealership who brought the thing to the young mechanic's shop who brought it to Dave for help. That's sort of like putting on a dead man's shoes. And kudos to Dave for sharing his years of experience with the 4 C's. In my business, I always used to say "none of us are as smart as all of us working together". That sure applies here.
It likely had a mileage blocker on it. There’s a company called SKF that sells them for about $500.
Most likely if it was a rental and is 10 years old. Just wasent maintained properly. The v10s are known for burning oil so prob was being driven on low oil for a while. Which caused all these problems
These are super easy to clock. It's also super easy to tell if it's clocked you just need to check the mileage on the other modules like the transmission matches the speedo.
@@dirtygrillNot with a mileage blocker
@@actualizare that requires a secondary device that intercepts and falsified CAN messages for the engine and transmission controllors. The vast majority of devices will simply block the gauge cluster.
I love how you help these guys out. Nothing scares you.
Dave is the man. A straight shooter. Awesome how he mentors these two young men. The world needs more of that. If I ever need an engine done I'll certainly consider Dave's shop and I'm in Tennessee.
Dave is the man. A real straight shooter. Awesome how he tries to mentor these young men. The world needs more of that. If I ever need a motor done I'll certainly consider Dave's shop and I'm in Tennessee.
Hopefuly they weren’t out joyriding it beating the sack off it and broke it! That could be a deal breaker for a new shop mainly the representation of the shop. Mechanic here myself almost 20 years so I do understand sometimes crap happens and at the worst time, let’s hope the pump fixes it!
Great advice please post the followup conclusion so that we can : Condition Cause Correction Confirm !
No doubt it’s gonna be $ to repair. Being a rental, the Lambo was likely beat on. Can’t wait to see how this goes. Dave is an experienced mechanic. Great video 👍
I absolutely love this video Dave, by far the best. Perhaps instill in this young man Good habits. Bad habits in mechanics make life rough on the customer and the next mechanic
This sounds expensive.
Was always told to follow the "4 C's". What is the Complaint? What Caused it? How did you Correct the problem? Did you Confirm your work?
Dang good guidance for younger techs.
A great call Dave and very encouraging this young guy and his buddy have eaten humble pie and asked for some help. They found the right place to get some really sound advice.
I was a motor engineer for 35 years serving an apprenticeship during the early to mid 1970's. As cars gradually became more and more complicated to repair I decided to call it a day after running my own shop for 24 years.
I really admire these young guys coming into the industry and facing some enormous challenges with such enthusiasm, but hey, THEY MUST do their due diligence!
If they are working on an engine of such high value THEY MUST ALWAYS take into account where they stand financially if it all goes wrong for what ever reason! At the moment this story has all the hallmarks of a hire company or another repair shop looking for an enthusiastic, young fall guy to blame for the engine failure? Lets hope I am wrong?
My advice: Unless you have a wealth of specialist experience with any particular power plant manufacturer PLUS an extremely robust P/L Insurance policy if it all goes pear shaped then don't go there. If in ANY doubt. . . leave well alone!
Good luck to these guys and look forward to the next episode. Dave P. Hertfordshire UK
I love how Dave is so assertive but eager to help. You can tell how much he wants to pass his wisdom on.
Best episode to date! As a teacher, you made a teachable moment! Well done.
Wow, thanks!
Good to help out a young mechanic 👍
I've always called that using a "parts cannon" approach, which sadly is far too common!
LOVE THIS! You show the young guy what it takes to be best mechanic! paying it forward!
Thanks for the general troubleshooting tips.
Red flag 1: was a rental
Red flag 2: engine was taken apart in the past
Red flag 3: engine not at a Lambo service center
Engine is toast. Probably auction purchase that is going sideways. I really hope this younf mechanic is not held liable for this.
That engine is probably beat to hell...9 years and 15,000 miles is a lot for that type of car...its maintenance history is anyone's guess 😮
Based on your videos, I decided to bring in my F350 that appears to have an issue with the High Pressure Fuel pump which requires a substantial tear down. Great videos that promote trustworthy service and complex repairs.
Dave, Your a Great Teacher. I admire your abilities. Tread lightly! Love it.
Thanks 👍
Dang sure is a weird to see you not working on a diesel lol but so cool to see these young men asking for help and getting help in knowledge as well.
That young man just got some of the best advice from a master machinist engine builder✓
Thx for helping the kid out. You are inspirational.
Dave, that was amazing advice You gave these young guys at the end, I'm not a mechanic but I try to do preventive maintainance on the family vehicle and im going to note those points down. Thanks !
Glad to help
Want to see more about this Lambo engine!! 🙂
This was good to watch. I was sad because my cars engine is getting old and tired at 225,000 miles. I can't imagine what it must feel like to blow an engine at 15,000 miles.
My 5.7 in my 1997 can has 240k..and great oil pressure..and pulls strong....amazing how delicate the lambos are...nice car to look at I guess
Dave, if parts are needed for that V10, check for either the Audi version or Volkswagen version of the part to save on costs.
With the bell housing bolt holes, those may need TimeSerts and swap in some ARP hardware instead of the aluminum alloy bolts.
Always a pleasure to watch your videos! Big shout out to you guys from Belgium 🇧🇪
Thanks for watching!
15k on a lambo is equivalent to 150k+ on most sports cars!😮
Not true. It’s a vw, not a spaceship lol all depends on how it was taken care of and driven
I smell a scam! The used car lot new there was an oil issue, found a young mechanic with a new shop and thought hey, let’s give it to him as he messed up and he owes the customer a rebuild! Just speculation on my part but it’s suspicious to me that they entrust an exotic car with a green mechanic with full trust? Doesn’t seem right to me ! I’m thinking I’d insist it go to Lamborghini if I was a used car dealer that did it want to be on the hook for a new engine myself! Especially since it’s at a used car lot with 15,000 miles!
Exactly, sounds like the young guy is being set up as the fall guy.
I agree completely. The used pump is evidence that there is no money behind this job, and that someone is making decisions based on poor diagnostics or blind hope. It is very suspicious to hand that car to a mechanic who at best is three years a journeyman, if that. Customers, and there are three of them before Dave, have to pass the "flake test". None of the three do, and I'm surprised Dave is willing to get involved. Maybe Dave is correct and that filter is full of crap after "ten seconds" of no oil pressure. Maybe not and the "shit dump" turns into a shit show.
😂😂, you are so suspicious of the Dealer without any evidence of what your accusing. The person or Rental Agency who previously had possession of it could have trashed it then had some patch job repair done then sent it to the Auction where it ran good enough for no one to detect…not even Dealer or their customer until it was too late. To me the Dealer is helping their customer who bought it by bringing it to this young Shop owner who seems to have some very good credentials and background. Lambo V10 engines are complicated so he took it to Dave. Good job young Tech
Every single dave that I have known and met have been the niceset people. And this one is no exception it would be a honner and a blessing to meat you DAVE!!
Can't wait for pt.2.. Dave you're the man👊much love from Indian River County Fl
can we watch the sim test
Dave and his guys at his facility are bar none running to the top. Good bless y’all!
Yikes! But certainly looking forward to the next video on this engine. Great work man! Love your CCCC Philosophy!
Love these videos with exotic engines. Interesting how you react to a $200 K engine .