Myths about Engine Oil Change - Motorcycle or Car Engine.
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 5 ม.ค. 2017
- Friends, in this video I talk about my experience with maintaining the KTM Duke 390, Suzuki GSXR 1000, Yamaha R1, Suzuki GSX 1100F and many other motorcycles like the Honda CBR 600RR, Yamaha FZ1, Suzuki Katana etc and cars like the Honda Civic, Skoda Octavia, Ford Ikon, Chevrolet optra, Chevrolet Cruze, Captiva etc with regards to the Engine Oil Change Myth.
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This is the only indian motorcycle channel that speaks good english. Pronounciation/phasing/delivery are good. Unlike other channels who are base in India. Great job bro..1 sub here from 🇺🇸.
Vikas is so practical and the people who disliked the video are showroom people 🤣 thanks for the info vikas ❤️
Thanks and cheers brother
Automobile companies in India follow time based oil change because they have to keep their revenue in check
Ended up learning so much from your videos, brother.
I recommend your channel to my automotive enthusiast friends, all the time! 👍
Your videos are always so informative. thanks a lot. I had even followed your engine break in video when I bought a new duke 200.
Thanks very much for watching bro!
A lot depends on the place where you live and the kind of driving you do. Usually the time limit is 1 year for most higher displacement bikes and for most cars. The issue we have in northern countries is condensation inside the engine and water will contaminate oil. When you use a car for short trips, the oil is not warmed enough to evaporate the condensation. This can lead to corrosion, oil contamination, cylinder scoring and over time, increased oil burning. But these effects usually become apparent after around 100,000kms of mileage.
The dealership from which i bought my bike asked me to change oil after every odd services no matter i have ridden my bike or not and i told them not to do so and they told me it will void my warranty but i told them no to. And one day my hero xtreme sports start showing some problems in the instrument cluster like the rmp and fuel gauge readings got faulty and the dealer told me they can't claim warranty because i didn't change oil as they wish they also told me that engine oil will loose it viscosity and be like water after 6 months( lol iam a mechanical engineer😁). In the instructions manual the oil change period is 6k km and top up at 3k km so i contact heromotocorp and asked them what the heck is this, With in one day the dealer called me and told me to bring my bike to showroom and they will change it free of cost and i got it replaced😂. So this message is for everyone out there don't be fooled by those dealers just read your bike's manual carefully.
This video came in like cool water for a thirsty man in a desert. I was so confused about this time vs mileage change once upon a time. Ended up spending a lot of parent's money on timely oil changes on my R15. I own a Duke 390 now and I think I'll do the second service only when the bike completes 8500 km.
Thank you so much for resolving the confusion with the back up of evidence.
+Sushrut Dongargaonkar Thanks for watching mate. I am glad you liked my video. Hope you enjoy my other videos too and hope you subscribe.
Very logical approach on dissecting the myths. Love it bro! -from a Mechanical Engineer
+Abhishek Roy Thanks very much for watching mate and hope you enjoy my other videos too and hope you subscribe
Vikas Rachamalla
Already subscribed mate!
spot on dude...u earned ur self one more subscriber...keep up da good work...may ur tribe increase..
Very informative. Thanks sir. A bit shocked when you said that u did not replace your engine oil on ur yamaha haha
Love the Energy Vikash :) Honestly, this is informative ...
Keep on making such informative videos, It really helps :) Cheers Buddy!!!!
very much information given Thank-you buddy.love your videos.
Bro. YOU ARE MY POCKET SAVIOUR.good information.Keep it up
nice video bro!!!!
waiting for your videos!!
Vikas Rachamalla; Just thought I'd bounce this off you see what your thoughts may be. Engines that do not get fully warmed up to normal operating temperature will leave moisture(condensation) inside that crankcase that will increase the acid levels in the oil. To explain, it's like the exhaust pipe that steams on startup on the cooler days and then clears. If you turn your motor off before the steam clears on a daily basis, you are going to rust out your exhaust pipe. Take a person that rides a very short distance back and forth to work everyday and hardly ever gets their engine fully warmed up. The miles are not adding up very fast toward an oil change, but over time their oil needs to be changed due to the acids they may be creating from the moisture. The oil is going to look great, but the make-up has changed to warrant the change. Then there's the engine on the other end of the extreme that does stay running most the day in terribly slow traffic that doesn't build miles fast either, but will need an oil change. So, each low miles person will have to determine for themselves whether they should consider time base oil changes or not. I hope this explains the manufacturers request for the time base oil changes. All they are doing is trying to embrace all the driving needs that a customer may have.
Note: An engine that's continued to be used after it's fully warmed up for a little bit is most likely "dry" through the positive crankcase ventilation(PCV) system, or some form of crankcase ventilation, so low miles may not be so much of a threat. I don't know when a crankcase changes from moisture "wet" to moisture "dry" and it probably will vary per engine. Crankcase ventilation works well to prevent acids, so much so that most people don't even know engine acids can form.
Anyway, that's the way all was explained to me. Have that good one.
+John Devore Thanks very much for the information. I truly appreciate it. Hope you enjoy my other videos too and hope you subscribe.
bt from where the moisture goes inside the engine to make acid ,, exaust valves are closed,, naaaaaa??? 😅😅 i have doubt
Another great video brother.. very informative.. also could you make a video about fork oils and coolant.. i believe even they are important and needs to be changed at a certain interval
thanks Vikas for sharing useful information and tips..
You're awesome.
its very hlpfull video sir.. thank u fr this..
I Totally Agree With You Vikas. My R15 runned for at-least 2.5years and had no issues. but for a new motorcycle we need to follow the company service rules to get Covered in Warranty Issues. I have faced such problem in 2004 when I bought Yamaha Fazer .
exactly my point too... I like how you point things out with logical and proper reasoning, and we're on the same page... Thank you for this video for making things clear to me. Will surely subscribe to your page. Ridesafe sir!
absolutely right... 👍👍👍
Your comments on oil are far more accurate than you would ever believe. DAF Trucks in the 60 -70s ran a test engine for 20 years continuously without a single oil change. The engine was fitted with a parallel filter system that allowed filters to be isolated and changed without stopping the engine. The experiment was eventually stopped as it became too expensive.
Conclusion. You only need filter changes to keep your oil healthy.
Imagine if oil consumption was reduced by 90%.
Nice drown shot.... Seems epic.... Nice video.
Hi brother thanks for giving us this awesome feedback about one of the most important issues regarding engine oil change. I am really thankful to you for your support and concern for us. You are really a very good person brother as you always shares good knowledge about bikes and cars for all the bike lovers as well as car lovers. I am really indebted to you for this crucial information. As I own a Bajaj pulsar 180 dtsi bs4 and very soon I am going to buy classic stealth black 500 as I am eagerly waiting for the new classic stealth black with abs and as soon as it comes fully loaded I will definitely buy it. Thanks a lot once again and god bless you always with health wealth and prosperity always.
+The Booklovers Retreat thanks very much brother
awesomely explained bro
Great man ....😊😊loved it
Totally agree with you Vikas. Time based oil change is just waste of money based on my personal experience maintaining multiple cars and bikes
Bro what you have explained is 100 percent correct I agree with your points
I also didnt change my oil in 2 yrs 3000kms in my cbr 250r....u r absolutely right...i also do it as u said
Lol i was here to check for my cbr 250r same with me except kilometres are 4.5 k and I've brought oil already.
Just one question how much liters do you use, which oil, and did u use engine oil flush or additive?
@@KailasNathXagain engine flush is also myth i have cbr 250r running shell advance 10w40 u can use any oil 10w-30 or 10w-40
Many thanks for the info!
yes u r right... i also asked same thing in the service centre... they just told me..... " rakhe rakhe kharab hojata hai "......😂😂😂
🤣🤣🤣🤣 same here
Hi, I agree with you but I have one question tough... In India where we have bumper to bumper traffic, engine idles for lot of time which makes results in even more wear on the engine's cylinder(from to pistons of course), etc. So maybe we have to include time factor for oil change period too, not as much as dealer suggests, but may be upto some extent. Do you agree?
yamaha r1 ktm duke 390 nd the lil doremon tricycle lol
Ha ha! Yes bro! That tricycle is more important than any superbike at my home, as it belongs to SID (My Son)... he he.. Thanks for watching bro!
and the pet dog was also cute :)
Vikas Rachamalla bro suggest me the best engine oil( mineral or synthetic) and tyres for my hyosung gt250r.
I agree with you but doesnt oil condensate in the engine over time with the hot and cold changes etc and it gets acidic by sitting in the engine with the blow by from the pistons contaminating the oil even after 2000km.
Hey Vikas! This video was really great but at last you said that your honda civic runs for 10,000 kms on mineral oil it is because of low rpm of car engines as compared to that of high rpm motorcycle engines. And oil drain interval according to miles is really great but i would like to add few things that it also depends on how you ride. Like some people like to ride on higher rpms above 8-9k and few peoples like me😛 ride generally at 4-5k rpm, this is also the case to be considered when changing the oil.
And atlast there are few deawbacks of mineral oils like it deposit carbons (black sticky things) on your engine component whereas a full synthetic keeps it clean 😄
Famousinsane: If you are getting black sticky things(sludge) in your oil you need to change your oil brand or choose an oil with a detergent additive to prevent sludge from forming. You may have sludge deposits in your oil passages restricting oil flow. The detergents will clean this out, so you will need to change your oil filter at least once, perhaps midway, through a normal oil change interval with your first use of the detergent oil. Hope this helps.
Is it true that high viscosity engine oil like 20w50 are not good for newer engines? So what about the sludge formation due to longer usage of oil? Enlight me pls.
I completely agree with you Vikas Bhai. I Do oil changes on Miles basis and my engines are working good. The time based oil chages are myths.
Thanks bro!
I ride Apache 200.I have put synthetic oil in it.
Is it okay to ride up to 10000 or more as you said?
You also said to follow the manual book to change the oil it .In the book it says to change the oil after 3000km.
I'm confused.
I had a general question about warranty - Let's say a vehicle has 2 years/30,000kms warranty, whichever is earlier, and manufacturer gives you 3 free services and then 3 paid ones which are 'mandatory' to ensure warranty is not void, as written in the manual. If you go in for minor stuff like oil change or air filter clean up etc, or brake/clutch level tightening or chain tightening etc they shouldn't change you for the services during the 'warranty period' right? Also what happens after warranty? Do you get the same services with money that you would get during the 'warranty period paid services'?
engine oil change information was very helpful... i do agree with what you said...thanks Vikas.. i would like you to put up a video about clutch plate change... when do we actually change clutch plate on bike.. i own yamaha FZ16.. showroom guy tells me to change it after every 10000km..
really nice myth breaker sir. could you do a video on changing exhausts, people say your bike's performance changes, mileage changes. pls
noc noc the back pressure changes too and does the graph change too !!! so go for a fully system exhaust only if u got a sports bike ..
Sir i own rc390 which is almost 1.5 years old that i have clocked only 3200 kms only by now as i dont get to ride it much often because of work and travelling so my question is do i need to change oil every 120 days as manual says or i should do it according to km
informative video bro!! :)
hey bro loved the content of video ,I just want to add a thing which I have faced during my ownership period ,if ur oil sumps threads are gone u can always have them rethread and have an oversize bolt to fix it u can avoid changing whole oil pan ,peace bro :-)
Thanks very much bro!
yah your right . i dont follow time or mile base. you just need to check the oil if it is still good.
+Tonnierose Rivera Thanks for watching mate and hope you enjoy my other videos too and hope you subscribe
We would love to see more such videos bro :) And i would like to share my experience here. My ride is Pulsar 220 and the oil recommended by bajaj is mineral oil and drain interval is 10k kms. But believe it until 1.5-2k kms it runs absolutely fine, but later on its down hill jiffy, i tend to notice the gear box becomes very sluggish, vibrations tend to kick in and a lot more stuff. Well it totally depends on how we ride it, that's true. But as far as i'm concerned my commute is usually half city-half highway. I lube my chain every 500 kms. Every other pulsar owners blame the oil used in it. In every other forums and what not over the internet people tend to not stick with the bajaj oil and use other synthetic oil available.
And sir please do some more DIY's and Myth buster as it's very informative :)
Maheshwaran AJ Ha, have brought 5100 15w50 this time gonna change it in a few days. If not satisfied will try 7100 20w50 :) Thanks mate
Vikram I totally agree with you, i own a bajaj pulsar 220f 2016, and after 1.5-2k kms the mineral oil provided by bajaj makes engine a bit rough, gear shifts become hard lots of false neutral and other stuff.
I would recommend you to go for 'Motul 4t 3100 gold 20w50' and believe me bike is running amazing, precised gear shifts minimal vibrations and what not.
btw 7100 20w50 is also and good option but I haven't used it yet.
That's true bro, i guess most of the owners face the same issue when used bajaj oil. And BTW can u just tell me why did u go with 4t 3100 gold 20w50 over 5100 or 7100? I've brought the 5100 and expecting the bike to perform better than before :)
Same issue here Vikram, I have been riding a 2015 200NS and using Bajaj dtsi oil since the beginning. I have ridden almost 27K. The Bajaj oil feels good for the first 1.5 to 2k km, but after that the engine becomes a little bit harsh, I can feel the difference. So now m planning to go for Motul 7100 4T 20W50. Hope it will perform better.. :)
my 3 months old rs200 have been giving me issues with the gear shift. It usually gives a sticking sensation while upshift and makes a thumping sound at downshift.
any help here?
Thanks for clear my doubt sir
hey there! we are doing some tuning work on a couple of 150cc engines to test their limits and I was wondering if using synthetic oil would aid this as we are pushing the engine for some research purposes. what is your opinion, thank you!
Hii Vikas jii. I have duke 200. I ride only 3700 after changing engine oil. Recently when i go for service engine oil is decrease. What is the cause for that..I bought it june 2021 and ran only 6000km. There is no leakage from engine. In duke, service center used motul full synthetic 20w50.
What should i do ? I've done my 1st free servicing on basis of time... should i follow the miles basis? Or time period for other free services?
sir where u can buy ur duke tank pouch or bag i want to buy for my gixxer plz inform me
what oil do you use on your KTMs?
synthetic or mineral?
can you tell me the site from where i can order spare parts for my ktm duke 390 ? like hand guards , side guards and short tail tidy
Thanks a lot for such an info bro
Vikas sir, I have Pulsar 150 2014 model and when should I change my engine oil, I mean after how many kilometres..? Basically I use Castrol Active mineral oil and change it for 2.5 to 3k kilometres..
you r absolutely right sir....
Hi Iam using my bike very less km in 6 months I ride 1300 km so should I change engine oil in 6 months or I change after 3000 but it will take 1 year and Iam using full synthetic oil answer please
I was in search for motul 7100 for my ns and after watching your engine oil video i go for motul 3100 technosynthese and yess i find it absolutely fine my engine perform better and less vibrations also it is better than bajajs 10000 engine oil..😀
hello sir ! oil change was done for my CBR 250r in the 1st service ! but didn't change oil filter since it wasn't available ! is it okay to ride in higher rpm or is there limit for rpm until oil filter is changed?
Which is the best engine oil that we can prefer for a 2016 Duke 390 ?
you r absolutely right.because i have been following this for some years. it saves our money and time. but unfortunately in our country Bangladesh people change mineral oil within only 1000 km, semi synthetic 1500km and full synthetic 2500-3000km. they are made believe by the mechanic and service center that without following this their engine ie going to be bad. once i talk about this in our bike community they called me a fool.
I wanted to ask that I bought recently Apache 180 in august.
I am done with 4 services.
on 2nd service, when I filled bike with TVS TRU4 SYNTHETIC OIL, I felt that engine became smoother than before. service interval is 2500-3000kms
So I changed oil after approximately 5000kms, on the 4th service.
The moment I was reaching near to 5000kms, I was feeling like engine is becoming but rough. Engine oil level was good, no leakage etc.
I thought I made mistake to run my bike for 5000kms, I should have changed the oil on 3rd service.
Now when I changed oil on 4th service, engine is feeling bit rough as it was before service.
What could be the expected reason after it?
What should I do to get smoother engine performance?
Should I fill up Mineral oil at interval of 2500kms or Synthetic oil for 5000kms??? Kindly answer
93 Rider how much km you have done..?
if it is above 15k km go for a motul full synthetic oil and feel the smoothness...
Rohit Sharma i am done 8500+ kms yet. done 4th service on 8000kms
93 Rider keep going with tvs oil till 15k then u can talk to service guys about using full synthetic oil if they agree go for it else the warranty will be void....
Rohit Sharma Ohhhh.. aisa kya???
lol
very valuable information sir
Nice video man
Good video!!! I dont have sports/super bike , but what about lower cc carburettor engines, can we keep oil for longer period?
Absolutely right... Time based replacement is just a wastage of money.
I filled my Hero Xtreme with Valvoline 20/50 and use to replace after 5000km. My bike has done almost 35000 km and i never faced any problem. Engine is so smooth, sound is really good.
Vikas, thanks for this video..
keep uploading such valuable information.
Good Luck
+The Boy Thanks very much bro
I am planning for the solo ride to all over India, would be covering almost 18000 km in 45 days. I had avenger 220 cruise in my mind for this tour, but after dominor400 launch i have the option.
I need you to come up with your suggestion, obliviously that will help me a lot to decide.
If you don't mind can you please write me on "thecanceriankin@gmail.com" so i can get in touch with you directly in-case i need any techno help in the future.
Thanks in advance
The Boy good oil
sir which oil should be used in yamaha fzs mineral oil or synthetic oil?
Waiting so long for this topic..Vikas you nailed it perfectly..Just want to know I run my Pulsar 220 in Motul 7100..what would be the ideal interval kms ..And is this oil ideal for my bike or I should shift to another one.
very good info.
I own a duke 390 too,can i use mobil 1 fully synthetic 5w40 engine oil.?
totaly agree with you on this
Thanks very much bro!
Is oil changing necessary for new motorcycle at every service interval ?
which kind of oil I should use for my Hero Karizma ZMR?
if v change the brand of engine oil is there is any effect on milage or ant heating issues
I always use survo in my ns200
while using survo I got a average off 500+ on full tank
me and my frnzs planed a tour suddenly i changed in some gas station I changed to HP I got just 430 for fool tank
and as usually v cruise at 85 -90 speed
Hi vikas can u please suggest me a good engine oil and powerful break pads for dominar.
motul 300v 15w-50 how much over all km it will cover in yamaha fz ?
Can we run more kms on synthetic oil when compare to mineral oil?
If Yes, then can we replace any bike mineral oil with synthetic oil?
Pls suggest
if the oil colour changes to thickish brown then it's time to replace oil or just top it up with fresh oil and run?
This is exactly what happend to me with my r15, mechanics used to tell me change it by time basis, or ur warranty will be void, even though i had done 1500-2000 kms. Glad i didnt fall for it.
I changed to motul from yamalube, on my fz16 it's leaking is that a problem?
Thank u so much sir for your information ❤❤👌
I have a KTM RC 390 for which I recently got the engine oil changed. They changed the oil filter too and they used 1.5l Motul 7100 4T as recommended. Thing is that I noticed the oil level is not between the mark that should be and I checked it a couple of times. Then I checked with the KTM service and after arguing with them, they drained the entire oil and showed me the oil that they used in a measurement jar. I got some assurance and then got the engine oil filled again. They mentioned I can see the right level during morning but no way and still its at that low level when I checked the oil level keeping the bike upright. I have seen threads mentioning you might have to fill in 1.6-1.7l to get the right level. And these KTM guys also mentioned the same that they had to use around 1.6. But I am just not getting the right oil level that it should be. What is your opinion on this bro?
Hi vikas I have been one your oldest follower :p
like you talked about service centers changing oil just for money they are lot of other unnecessary things these guys do just for money Esspecially ktm. So I want you to make a HONEST SERVICING VIDEO with pricing along with simple diys TIA
+cake55555 Thanks very much for watching mate.. Sure. Will do...
i was thinking to switch to motul 7100 20w50 fully synthetic oil for my pulsar rs 200, will it be fine? right now i am using a 20w50 bajaj recomended oil.
People say we should not topup engine oil, one should fully replace. Please reply
Hi Vikas, is it a necessary that we must service our motorcycle every 3 months? That's what we are told by all the service centres here in Bangalore. Useful videos. Thanks and keep up the good work :)
hi , i have Benelli 600 GT , and i tour a lot and in last 4 months I've done 12,500 kms so far , but the problem I'm facing is the service cost , so benelli has a pathetic service interval of just 4000 kms , so I'm ending up with service every month which is costing around 8000 rupees per month just maintain the bike which is very high , so can you suggest does my bike really need motel 300 oil fully synthetic ? or it will also run good enough with mineral oil ?
Dr Rohan sp: A well refined mineral oil should do you very well. If you have a wet clutch make sure the oil you choose does not have a friction reducing modifier.
yes right.. they just do it time based oil change because they get good margin income on it. we can check the color and thickness of oil from outside and if we love our bike, we can feel it needs to change or not.
Cheers bro! Thanks for watching!
which oil is best suitable for karizma r old version?
Vikas bhai I have a doubt...I’m currently using yamalube for my fz16 and I’m going for the Motul coz I’m not satisfied with yamalube...many people are saying to stick with manufacturer recommended oil i.e.,yamalube for 12k kilometres . Is this true?? (P.s: my bike ran around 4500 kilometres)
i buy new fz 25 and in january 2018 it has its second service and i hardly drive time 2 day in a week if i not able to cross 5000km till january should i need to replace it my oil in my fz 25
I follow what you say 😌, I go with miles as well👍🏻, time based is just for the service centre to make money 💰🙉
Bro , nicely explained. But my issue is different. I use shell full synthetic engine oil but my cat runs only 700 to 800 kilometers in 6 months. So what do I do now some workshops say that even if you run your car 100 kilometers in 5 months, you should change the oil no matter even it is full synthetic. Some workshops say since you drive like 700 kilometers only in 5 months so you keep the oil for at best 6 months. Full synthetic oils can last up to at least 7000 kilometers or 6 months. Some say whether your oil is full synthetic or whatever , just change your oil every 3 months even if you drive for 100 kilometers only in 3 months. So what should I do now? I drive 700 kilometers only in 5 months not 7000 kilometers. I am really confused. Need some clean and clear answers. Please help here.
Completely agree with your views. From petrol pump to service centers to dealers everyone is readily waiting with choona in their hands to apply on customers shaven head. No need to go to c Lord Venkateshwara!
+Bapuji IMS Thanks very much
Sir i have question about engine oil...BAJAJ has lauched a dtsi-10,000oil which they said to be change on completing 10,000kms each...and all ppl says motal oils are good...so is bajaj dtsi oil is really so bad for engine??plzz tell sir
What about emisyntetic oil drain interval in km base.. How many kilometres can run with a semisynthetic oill in a 150 cc bike?
What will happen if the oil level is more then the upper mark . ? Is it good or bad ??
100 percent agreed
Please suggest engine oil for Yamaha Fazer 150cc