Please return swiftly! Can’t begin to tell you how much I enjoy your passion and knowledge of the Tolkien’s Legendarium. You have been nothing short of masterful in your story telling of Tolkien’s works. Hope your Hiatus goes well, can’t wait for more of your work. Blessings!
I can picture the conversation where Elrond tells Aragorn that he cannot marry Arwen unless he becomes the king of both Gondor and Arnor and Aragorn responding with, "Well, it's not stealing a silmaril from Morgoth's crown. So that's something I guess."
This is, single handedly, the best LotR video I have ever seen on TH-cam. The interpretation you bring to the story is simply unparalleled and could easily be brought to life in a prequel LotR series. I would like to congratulate you on your work, but I believe a "thank you" is more fit. For I'm gratefull for having the opportunity to witness such passion and impeccable interpratation of Tokien's words and intentions when writing this story. Thank you! And I hope you'll continue to grace us with videos like this.
What a beautiful story! You are a truly gifted storyteller, your pacing and emphasis are spot-on. You must be a poet at heart. I'll keep an eye out for your book.
What you do with this channel that separates it from other great lotr channels is dive into the psychology of these great characters and even villains like Sauron which for me is the reason I’m so interested in this lore. Loved this video and love how you emphasize what it is that makes Aragorn the king of kings in mythological lore
Rainbow Dave, I can't express how much useful your videos are, I can definitely tell the love you poured into these. They are superbly well paced and they always keep us entertained. Thank you, very much.
Up until now I preferred movie Aragorn to book Aragorn. In the books I felt like he was too sure of himself and a little bit arrogant in contrast to how he is in films ( I had first seen the films and then read the books)but thank you for making sense of his reasoning ( I hope I am making sense). Thank you for all the amazing videos you make❤️🧡💛💚💙💜
It was such a great series and they sure have rekindled my passion towards Tolkien's great works after some busy years! Be sure to be back for Silmarillion series!!
Man the way you talk with such passion and admiration for Tolkien’s work is so refreshing and beautiful. Almost brought me to tears. Loved every second of this video.
I’ve recently discovered your channel and watched all of your videos, and I just want to thank you and express my hopes for a swift return. Like many people, I had previously attempted to read The Silmarillion and lost interest about a third of the way through. But you tell the stories in such a way as to fully expose their inherent drama, which can sometimes get buried on the page by the way information is doled out. Well, you got me excited about reading it again, and I’m thoroughly enjoying it now and thrilled to dive even deeper into Professor Tolkien’s Legendarium. So once again, thank you and I hope to see more from you soon.
Thank you so much, I'm really glad you've enjoyed the channel, and especially glad that it's led you back to the Silmarillion! I can't wait to get back to the story too. I'm working on new episodes at the moment, and hopefully it won't be too long before I'm uploading again.
Man it took me several attempts to get through the Silmarillion. I first tried in my early teens and wasn't able to read it cover to cover until my 20s. It's not a light read, it's very dense with a ton of co-liniar plots throughout. That being said it is one of my favorite books I've read and find it much easier to reread now that I'm familiar with the many characters and plots. Stick with it man, it is a tale worth finishing!
@@NathanWood23 I finished it and loved it. I followed it up with The Hobbit, and now I’m halfway through The Lord of the Rings, which I’ve only read once before about 20 years ago. It really is so much more fulfilling after The Silmarillion though. I’m starting on Unfinished Tales after this.
Funny how people differ. For me the Silmarillion was a pretty easy read, and I find The Lord of the Rings way less inviting, surprisingly. I gobbled the Silmarilluon up in my mid teens (it was actually my toilet book for some years 😂) imo it invites casual reading more than The Lord of the Rings does, bc it has all these different stories, so it can also be read more like a collection of stories or even a history book. I could start anywhere and be absorbed by what happened there. TLotR on the other hand is this big story spanning three books, so for me that takes a lot more commitment. I think I have read those books only twice in my life so far, whereas the Silmarillion, I can't even count. Ah, and the LotR appendices function similarly to the Silmarillion for me, so I have read those countless times as well, waaaaay more often than thr main books 😂😂😂
@@muenchhausenmusic well I’ll admit that there have actually been a number of occasions on which I’ve started reading The Lord of the Rings and made it maybe halfway through before getting distracted, so it’s definitely more of a commitment and a bit of a marathon read. And I don’t find The Silmarillion nearly as challenging now that I’ve read it. I find it quite fascinating actually. It’s just adapting to its style initially that seems to hang a lot of people up. Of all of Tolkien’s works I’ve definitely read The Hobbit the most, for obvious reasons of speed and ease, and it tends to be where I begin regardless of how far I get.
You missed an important element in Aragorn’s journey from Ranger to King. Unlike Isildur he withstood the temptation of the One Ring and through that proved himself and his line to be once more worthy of the crowns of Gondor and Arnor. Tolkien was a Catholic and his outlook was Catholic. This moral test was an important one to Tolkien.
This really doesn't happen in the books. However, Aragorn is said to be remarkably like Isildur's father Elendil and Isildur's son Elendur. Aragorn is the most similar to Elendil and Elendur in three thousand years. Its no exaggeration to say Aragorn is the most gifted man in three thousands years.
Maybe you aren't one, but you sound like a Catholic with a chip on your shoulder because your religion didn't get referenced in this video. The Ring wasn't central to Aragorn's character arc, at least not in the books.
‘That you are a stout fellow,’ answered Strider; ‘but I am afraid my only answer to you, Sam Gamgee, is this. If I had killed the real Strider, I could kill you. And I should have killed you already without so much talk. If I was after the Ring, I could have it - NOW!’ He stood up, and seemed suddenly to grow taller. In his eyes gleamed a light, keen and commanding. Throwing back his cloak, he laid his hand on the hilt of a sword that had hung concealed by his side. They did not dare to move. Sam sat wide-mouthed staring at him dumbly. ‘But I am the real Strider, fortunately,’ he said, looking down at them with his face softened by a sudden smile. ‘I am Aragorn son of Arathorn; and if by life or death I can save you, I will.’
another thing he had that the heirs before him did not was the sword of the king and the loyalty of men from both kingdoms he was also the first to make the oathbreakers honour their oath which is one of the reasons the other outlying provinces of Gondor sent their remaining troops to the aid of the Capital as up until that point they were having issues of their own and needed the bulk of their forces to hold their own lands against the Corsairs of umbar these people of southern Gondor seeing him and the others of their northern kin also brought them hope for the first time in yrs
As always, well done David of Many Colours! I enjoyed this one immensely even if I learned much less than I usually do listening to your work as Samwise and I venture out on our nightly walks. Thank you my friend!
I really wished that you would come out with a series of guided meditations. I could listen to your voice for hours and it's incredibly soothing waxing and whoever you are I wish you well thank you.
I know this is an old video, but the sentiment remains the same: safe travels and swift return, David of Many Colors. I eagerly await more of your eloquent discussions.
And now I have unfortunately caught up on every video on the channel. :D Thanks for the many hours of entertainment. I will certainly be looking forward to the next!
Wow that's an incredible effort! I'll be back with new videos before too long, and I'm incredibly excited to continue the Silmarillion series. Hopefully the best is yet to come 😀
If I had a silver penny for every mannish king whose father was killed by a poisoned arrow to the eye while he was still a small child, I would have two silver pennies, which isn't a lot, but it's weird that it happened twice.
There's so much more to ask about Aragorn Where, exactly, was he born? He says "my home, such as it is, is in the North" (Council of Elrond). Where in the North? His mother Gilraen "returns to her own people in Eriador" (Appendix A). Where in Eriador? I believe some have landed on the Angle between Bruinen and Mitheithel (Loudwater and Hoarwell) as a potential place for defensible Dunedain villages. Is this true? My own take: the remnants of the Northern Dunedain are viewed with suspicion by the Breelanders, as wandering folk with no permanent homes at all. Much as "travellers", or "gypsies", or "tinkers" (John Bunyan came of these!) have been viewed in modern times It would be great to hear any speculations you might have!
These are great thoughts. I've never had any strong inclinations as to where Aragorn was born, but I can certainly imagine the Dunedain as a wandering people, who set up temporary homes in the abandoned ruins of Arnor. Kind of like hermit crabs taking a new shell.
This also just makes the portrayal of Elrond in the film all that worse aragorn was all that was left of his brothers lineage he loved him like a son. I feel like making elrond kind of cold to add tension was not necessary. That storyline was def on the back burner anyway.
Hi! Great video as always, I'm watching through them all slowly. I have a question I've wondered for a while - in the book, the song is called the Lay of Leithian, but in the movie and in your video it's the Lay of Luthien. Is the Leithian an alternative name for Luthien or does it mean something else? I always assumed it was a mistake in the movie until I heard you say it just now.
Very good question! So although Leithian does sound a lot like Luthien, it's actually a totally separate Sindarin word that means something along the lines of 'release from bondage.' So the Lay of Leithian is the somewhat confusingly named story of Luthien (and Beren's) quest to release the silmaril from the bondage of Morgoth. Canto XIII verses 4-8 illustrate this best 🙂 "Behold! the hope of Elvenland the fire of Fëanor, Light of Morn before the sun and moon were born, thus out of bondage came at last, from iron to mortal hand it passed." What makes this even more confusing however, is that although Tolkien wrote the really long Lay of Leithian, as well as a different song called the Tale of Tinuviel which Strider sings in LOTR, during the appendices where most of Aragorn and Arwen's early story is told, it is the Lay of Luthien that Aragorn sings. But we have no idea how this goes or how is differs from the Lay of Leithian, as Tolkien never mentioned the Lay of Luthien ever again.
Elrond: You must earn your destiny and become king! Aragorn: shit that’s intense okay… if I do that can I date ur daughter? Elrond: Jesus. Yeah I guess that’s fair.
Another great video, thank you. If you set the rights issues aside, I think this would make for cracking content for the Amazon show. Daft question but does this mean then that Aragorn isn't wearing the ring in Two Towers like in the movie?
Yeah that scene always made me think that Aragorn wore the ring in the books too, but according to Tolkien, by the time of Lord of the Rings, the Ring of Barahir belonged to Arwen.
the thing that Denethor forgot is that it was never the stewards role to rule Gondor they were merely to keep it Safe and in trust for the next king he started to see him self as equal to the kings of men which i think all men are equal but not all are worthy to rule or have the right to do so We see this with the way they are in their lives some make the world better some hide from it and some do nothing to stop the evil within it from spreading
In doing this he was following the example set by his family for hundreds and hundreds of years. The line of Hurin were descendants of the Elendil through the female line. They were a high ranking Numenor house and they looked down upon the heirs of Isildur. Denethor himself is probably one of the most accomplished and gifted men to be steward for generations. The Numenoreans as a whole were the 'Kings of Men' and as said Denethor himself was also descendant from a line of the actual Kings.
I much prefer movie Aragorn to book Aragorn honestly. I thought that it would make sense that he would have some emotional turmoil, considering his most famous ancestor (and the one he would be measuring all of his accomplishments against) failed and allowed evil to persist. Book Aragorn was way too Gung ho to become the king. Movie Boromir is also better in my opinion.
It's fair enough to prefer these characters, but Isildur's Fall is blown out of proportion in the films. In the books he is much more of a tragic, great character who has accomplished a lot. The only time Aragorn really compares himself to his ancestor is to negatively compare himself to the statues in Denethors halls. Boromir is more likeable in the films, but I don't think the films really give the impression that Boromir is the heir to the greatest kingdom of still around. To be honest the whole of Gondor is treated poorly. Boromir has the pride one would expect from the 'Prince of Gondor.' Its also worth mentioning that Boromir and all the stewards are almost certainly descendants of Elendil themselves.
Except Isildur didn't fail. What many people seem to be forgetting is that neither Isildur, nor Frodo afterwards, were actually capable of destroying the One Ring. You see, the One Ring was designed to be indestructible, which meant that not only the only way to destroy it was in the fires where it was created but also that it had defensive mechanisms to prevent this possibility from ever actually happening. The One Ring was stronger than any one person, be it Isildur, Frodo, Elrond or even Gandalf, therefore none of them, nor anyone else, could have actually thrown the One Ring into the fires of Mt. Doom willingly, the ring simply wouldn't allow them to. That's why the person that ultimately destroyed the One Ring was Gollum, and he did so unwillingly. He didn't wish to destroy the ring but to get it back, and of course he didn't want to die in the process.
But in truth Eladan and Elrohir and Elrond himself are relatives with Aragorn...Aragorn was a descendant of Elros first king of Numenor twin brother of Elrond ...distant relativs but relatives and this bloodline lead to Elves Men and even Maiar
Where is the link to the video about Aragorn’s effort to find Gollum. You referenced it in this video, but I can’t find it anywhere obvious choice in your videos, nor in the description. I love your work, your integrity in your work, your enthusiasm, and your knowledge of the subject matter. I think these all come together to create one of the most exciting Tolkien lore channels. I hope you will be making videos, out of the joy for it, for a long time. With Metta, InscrutableJohn
I addressed the issue of the beardlessness of those mortals descended from Luthien in response to a comment below. I believe that a more accurate portrayal of Aragorn in the LoTR movies would have reflected the fact that he was beardless.
It's interesting that it could be argued that Mithrandír should have given the elven ring Narya to Aragorn, since he arguably did more "inspiring" and "kindling hope" in Men than did Gandalf. You could say "well, it would have been too risky to give it to Aragorn, since he was a mortal man and could have died", well, of the two of them, Gandalf actually did die, and Aragorn always managed to win.
That can't be true. Luthien and Beren's souls left Arda and there is no indication souls of men can be reincarnated. In fact considering Tolkien's rejection of Elvish reincarnation, at least in their children, it is very very unlikely the souls of men are reincarnated in theirs.
I think Sauron feared isildur becuz isil is the son of elendil remember elendil and gil-galad defeat sauron And aragorn raised by elrond not only becuz his the heir of isil he also related to elrond cuz elrond twin brother elros is aragorn ancestor
That is Finrod's ring not Fingolfin's ring. It was given to Barahir, for what we call in the military, a rear guard operation. I am really surprised that no one corrected me. It is not unusual for me to say the wrong thing while drinking, but usually someone corrects me right away, which I am fine with. They did both do one on one battle with the darkest of lords, so it is an easy mistake to make.
I disagree with respect? Aragorn in the books always struck me as more humble and vulnerable. He openly risks and doubts himself repeatedly. The films made him more of a superhero.
But why was the Dunedain? Why did they have long life while other men did not? I have not found the answer to this question in any of your videos yet. I thought maybe this one would or the one about the Black Numenoreans, but it wasn't. At some point, pls cover this.
So...way back in the First Age, there were three Houses of Men who joined the Elves of Beleriand in their wars against Morgoth. These were relatively normal men with normal lifespans, but thanks to their actions, Morgoth was eventually defeated at the end of the First Age. At the beginning of the Second Age, the descendents of these First Age Men (known as Edain) were rewarded for their ancestors's heroism by being gifted the island of Numenor. The Men that went to colonise Numenor were given longer lifespans than the other middle-men of Middle-earth. However the longest lived of all Numenoreans were the kings (especially back in the beginning). Fast forward to the end of the Second Age, and (with the help of Sauron) the Numenoreans self destructed, and their entire island was destroyed. But a few faithful Numenoreans survived, and followed their lord Elendil to Middle-earth. During the Third Age, the descendents of these Numenorean exiles became known as the Dunedain, and they lived in their two kingdoms of Arnor and Gondor. Over the years, the Kingdom of Arnor was wiped out by the Witch-king, and the Dunedain of Arnor became nothing more than rangers of the north. When the kingdom fell, the kings of Arnor became mere chieftains of the rangers; and a thousand years later, the last chieftain was Arathorn, father of Aragorn. So, Aragorn has a longer life than most other men because he is a descendent of the exiled Numenoreans, who were in turn descendents of the Edain of the First Age. But, there's more. Aragorn's father was Arathorn, and Arathorn's father was Arador, and Arador's father was an earlier chieftain of the Dunedain, and his ancestors were kings of Arnor, and their direct ancestor was Elendil, and his direct ancestor was the first ever king of Numenor who was granted exceptionally long life. So the reason Aragorn lives so much longer than any other Dunedain in the Third Age is because he's directly descended from not only Numenor's first king, but also Beren, and Tuor, and Hador, and the other Edain heroes of the First Age who helped take down Morgoth.
Great answer I would just add that the earliest Numenorean king was also Half-Elven. Elros being the twin brother of Elrond. Elvish blood is definitely dominant and this can be seen how Aragorn, Boromir, Denethor, Faramir and Imrahil don't have beards. This is why whilst ALL Numenoreans had their lives extended the royal line had even longer lives than the others.
@@danbee3288 At llong last I have found someone else who recognizes the beardelessness of those descended from Luthien. Tolkien himself stated as such in one of the last letters that he wrote on the subject of Middle-earth, according to Christopher Tolkien. I think all the bearded images of Aragorn that we see in the ranks of fan art reflect the misconception propagated by the Jackson movies. For someone who researched Middle-earth as thoroughly (supposedly) as he did,, Jackson would have uncovered Tolkien's comments regarding the absence of beards in Luthien's descendants. So: Bravo to you!
I won't fault Vigo Mortensen for his depiction of the Aragorn Peter Jackson wanted him to portray. But I will admit this Aragorn is a much more complicated character.
Arwen mistaking Aragorn for "an elf-lord from the isles of the west" implies that such lords exist. What happened to the elf-lords of Berenland, but there are a number of hills and mountains that could survive as islands. Maedhros' fortress in Himring is on a hill. I know Maedhros dies in the Silmarillion, but when the Lord of the Rings were written, perhaps Maedhros' fate had not been decided. So Arwen might have mistaken Aragorn for Maedhros. This would bring the elder line of the kings of the Noldor into Aragorn's story, if only indirectly. This is a distant and unlikely closure worthy of Tolkien.
I honestly kinda feel like I’m cheating since I haven’t read the books (movies only) but I’ve been watching so many lore videos it’s going to be weird when I finally read them
I don't know, but I feel good about their story. It feel kind of a sad story. I don't know. It's a weird feel. When watched the movie I always wish for him to stick wit that Rohan lady I forgot the name.
Ive always wondered about this, was he Strider for like 70 years? Lets see what big bro dave knows lol. 2:06 (edit) imagine if Galadriel just slapped a Silmaril on his brow out of nowhere lol, In the fashion of Feanor and Morgoth. Sauron might've straight up forgot about the ring, or he would've thought he could make it even better..
Maybe they should have named the last part of the "trilogy" aka the last 2 books, something that would have tricked the audience a bit by using the ring of fanarfin, like The rings heir or maybe the titular "lord of the ring" but singular? Even The Lord and the Ring. I feel like most any of those would have pulled the average mind in the wrong direction until you read it then it'd hit you like ahhh, I feel like the go to publisher style name would've been like the last heir, or maybe the ranger and the king but they really dropped the ball. I feel like instead of a spoiler title Tolkien hated, he might've liked something quite the opposite. But ideally y'know... He could've named it? Crazy thought I know!
Orc Commander: "Man-armour is weak at the neck and under the arms."
Orc Archer: "I'm aiming for the eye, as usual."
Oof.
Now that loving kiss on Boromir's head in the movies makes sense. Thank you!!
Aragorn his a king and this a normal action for a king in this dey
Please return swiftly! Can’t begin to tell you how much I enjoy your passion and knowledge of the Tolkien’s Legendarium. You have been nothing short of masterful in your story telling of Tolkien’s works. Hope your Hiatus goes well, can’t wait for more of your work. Blessings!
Thanks so much! I'm really glad you've enjoyed the videos.
I can picture the conversation where Elrond tells Aragorn that he cannot marry Arwen unless he becomes the king of both Gondor and Arnor and Aragorn responding with, "Well, it's not stealing a silmaril from Morgoth's crown. So that's something I guess."
I wish someone had pitched this to Tolkien xD
( Elven Translation )
Elrond: GET A REAL JOB FIRST KIDDO! 🤬
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Or maybe he said "For little price do elven lords sell their daughters."😁
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Yup😂
This is, single handedly, the best LotR video I have ever seen on TH-cam.
The interpretation you bring to the story is simply unparalleled and could easily be brought to life in a prequel LotR series.
I would like to congratulate you on your work, but I believe a "thank you" is more fit.
For I'm gratefull for having the opportunity to witness such passion and impeccable interpratation of Tokien's words and intentions when writing this story.
Thank you!
And I hope you'll continue to grace us with videos like this.
Thanks so much for your lovely feedback!
You have an incredible gift of being a captivating storyteller. I have only just started following your channel but I will watch all the videos!
Thanks! Much appreciated.
How come I always want to cry at the end of these long videos!?! This guy is a master!
What a beautiful story! You are a truly gifted storyteller, your pacing and emphasis are spot-on. You must be a poet at heart. I'll keep an eye out for your book.
Thanks!
What you do with this channel that separates it from other great lotr channels is dive into the psychology of these great characters and even villains like Sauron which for me is the reason I’m so interested in this lore. Loved this video and love how you emphasize what it is that makes Aragorn the king of kings in mythological lore
Rainbow Dave, I can't express how much useful your videos are, I can definitely tell the love you poured into these. They are superbly well paced and they always keep us entertained. Thank you, very much.
Thanks! I'm really glad you enjoy the videos.
Up until now I preferred movie Aragorn to book Aragorn. In the books I felt like he was too sure of himself and a little bit arrogant in contrast to how he is in films ( I had first seen the films and then read the books)but thank you for making sense of his reasoning ( I hope I am making sense). Thank you for all the amazing videos you make❤️🧡💛💚💙💜
It was such a great series and they sure have rekindled my passion towards Tolkien's great works after some busy years! Be sure to be back for Silmarillion series!!
Man the way you talk with such passion and admiration for Tolkien’s work is so refreshing and beautiful. Almost brought me to tears. Loved every second of this video.
Thanks!
me too
Me too, when the King returned with his men, it is too epic
Love your longer videos especially. I can only imagine the work that goes into them.
Your expression and enthusiasm make your telling so captivating! Sums it up. Your knowledge of backstory sets u apart and infuse it great!
This video deserves way more views than it has to date...great job
I’ve recently discovered your channel and watched all of your videos, and I just want to thank you and express my hopes for a swift return.
Like many people, I had previously attempted to read The Silmarillion and lost interest about a third of the way through. But you tell the stories in such a way as to fully expose their inherent drama, which can sometimes get buried on the page by the way information is doled out.
Well, you got me excited about reading it again, and I’m thoroughly enjoying it now and thrilled to dive even deeper into Professor Tolkien’s Legendarium. So once again, thank you and I hope to see more from you soon.
Thank you so much, I'm really glad you've enjoyed the channel, and especially glad that it's led you back to the Silmarillion!
I can't wait to get back to the story too. I'm working on new episodes at the moment, and hopefully it won't be too long before I'm uploading again.
Man it took me several attempts to get through the Silmarillion. I first tried in my early teens and wasn't able to read it cover to cover until my 20s. It's not a light read, it's very dense with a ton of co-liniar plots throughout. That being said it is one of my favorite books I've read and find it much easier to reread now that I'm familiar with the many characters and plots. Stick with it man, it is a tale worth finishing!
@@NathanWood23 I finished it and loved it. I followed it up with The Hobbit, and now I’m halfway through The Lord of the Rings, which I’ve only read once before about 20 years ago. It really is so much more fulfilling after The Silmarillion though. I’m starting on Unfinished Tales after this.
Funny how people differ. For me the Silmarillion was a pretty easy read, and I find The Lord of the Rings way less inviting, surprisingly. I gobbled the Silmarilluon up in my mid teens (it was actually my toilet book for some years 😂) imo it invites casual reading more than The Lord of the Rings does, bc it has all these different stories, so it can also be read more like a collection of stories or even a history book. I could start anywhere and be absorbed by what happened there. TLotR on the other hand is this big story spanning three books, so for me that takes a lot more commitment. I think I have read those books only twice in my life so far, whereas the Silmarillion, I can't even count.
Ah, and the LotR appendices function similarly to the Silmarillion for me, so I have read those countless times as well, waaaaay more often than thr main books 😂😂😂
@@muenchhausenmusic well I’ll admit that there have actually been a number of occasions on which I’ve started reading The Lord of the Rings and made it maybe halfway through before getting distracted, so it’s definitely more of a commitment and a bit of a marathon read.
And I don’t find The Silmarillion nearly as challenging now that I’ve read it. I find it quite fascinating actually. It’s just adapting to its style initially that seems to hang a lot of people up.
Of all of Tolkien’s works I’ve definitely read The Hobbit the most, for obvious reasons of speed and ease, and it tends to be where I begin regardless of how far I get.
This is such a touching treatment of this tale; thank you so much!
Very well done. It took me way back in time to when I first read these books.
You missed an important element in Aragorn’s journey from Ranger to King. Unlike Isildur he withstood the temptation of the One Ring and through that proved himself and his line to be once more worthy of the crowns of Gondor and Arnor. Tolkien was a Catholic and his outlook was Catholic. This moral test was an important one to Tolkien.
This really doesn't happen in the books.
However, Aragorn is said to be remarkably like Isildur's father Elendil and Isildur's son Elendur.
Aragorn is the most similar to Elendil and Elendur in three thousand years. Its no exaggeration to say Aragorn is the most gifted man in three thousands years.
Maybe you aren't one, but you sound like a Catholic with a chip on your shoulder because your religion didn't get referenced in this video. The Ring wasn't central to Aragorn's character arc, at least not in the books.
‘That you are a stout fellow,’ answered Strider; ‘but I am afraid my only answer to you, Sam Gamgee, is this. If I had killed the real Strider, I could kill you. And I should have killed you already without so much talk. If I was after the Ring, I could have it - NOW!’
He stood up, and seemed suddenly to grow taller. In his eyes gleamed a light, keen and commanding. Throwing back his cloak, he laid his hand on the hilt of a sword that had hung concealed by his side. They did not dare to move. Sam sat wide-mouthed staring at him dumbly.
‘But I am the real Strider, fortunately,’ he said, looking down at them with his face softened by a sudden smile. ‘I am Aragorn son of Arathorn; and if by life or death I can save you, I will.’
@@sdagoth3037 Nevertheless, the original comment points out a true and very important distinction in both the books and movies. Calm down please.
That's just the movie, in the books Isildur did nothing wrong
Dave you’re such a gifted storyteller. Bravo bravo
That was fantastic
Thank you this was a wonderful video
Incredible artwork in these videos.
Thanks!
Cheers, much appreciated!
Such a great literature and history you bring by doing this. Don't stop!
Beautifully done. Thank you for this exceptional summation. ❤
Thank you rainbow Dave for all these incredible stories and journey’s. Highly appreciate your video’s.
You did a great job again, my friend.
another thing he had that the heirs before him did not was the sword of the king and the loyalty of men from both kingdoms he was also the first to make the oathbreakers honour their oath which is one of the reasons the other outlying provinces of Gondor sent their remaining troops to the aid of the Capital as up until that point they were having issues of their own and needed the bulk of their forces to hold their own lands against the Corsairs of umbar these people of southern Gondor seeing him and the others of their northern kin also brought them hope for the first time in yrs
Brought me to tears. Beautiful ❤
Beautiful story, thanks for the telling
As always, well done David of Many Colours! I enjoyed this one immensely even if I learned much less than I usually do listening to your work as Samwise and I venture out on our nightly walks. Thank you my friend!
Much appreciated! Glad you enjoyed it.
A through story of the life of Aragorn and the return of the king. Thank you.
great story telling as always! have a bit of tears in my eyes now :')
Adrien, you are truly a gifted commentator bring a story to life.
Hey man I just became your 1000th sub, Congrats man!
That's awesome! Thanks man!
Always bringing such amazing perspectives on Tolkien's legendarium. Love your job! Regards from Brazil.
Thanks, I'm really glad you enjoyed it!
Glad you are back.....
The ring,is mine,I must subscribe,magnificent channel sir.
You r fantastic ,please keep telling ur tales
I really wished that you would come out with a series of guided meditations. I could listen to your voice for hours and it's incredibly soothing waxing and whoever you are I wish you well thank you.
Thanks so much!
I know this is an old video, but the sentiment remains the same: safe travels and swift return, David of Many Colors. I eagerly await more of your eloquent discussions.
Loved this. Thank you Rainbow Dave 😊
I love Tolkien Untangled.! I've learned so much.
Aragon was my favorite character in the movies.
awesome video like all!
And now I have unfortunately caught up on every video on the channel. :D Thanks for the many hours of entertainment. I will certainly be looking forward to the next!
Wow that's an incredible effort! I'll be back with new videos before too long, and I'm incredibly excited to continue the Silmarillion series. Hopefully the best is yet to come 😀
Dave knows what he’s Tolkien about
Great, as always.
Great video, very thorough. Thank you for the effort!
Aragon also had Gandolph, Sam and Frodo, lol. That didn't hurt none.
If I had a silver penny for every mannish king whose father was killed by a poisoned arrow to the eye while he was still a small child, I would have two silver pennies, which isn't a lot, but it's weird that it happened twice.
Mah dude. Another banger. Good journey, see you on the other side in a video!!!
Thanks!
This is the best story ever.
Thank you. This is very helpful.
Aragorn's major character trait was perseverance. (He was very nice to Bilbo, too. He seemed to have really liked the old hobbit.)
Awesome nice work
There's so much more to ask about Aragorn
Where, exactly, was he born? He says "my home, such as it is, is in the North" (Council of Elrond). Where in the North?
His mother Gilraen "returns to her own people in Eriador" (Appendix A). Where in Eriador?
I believe some have landed on the Angle between Bruinen and Mitheithel (Loudwater and Hoarwell) as a potential place for defensible Dunedain villages. Is this true?
My own take: the remnants of the Northern Dunedain are viewed with suspicion by the Breelanders, as wandering folk with no permanent homes at all. Much as "travellers", or "gypsies", or "tinkers" (John Bunyan came of these!) have been viewed in modern times
It would be great to hear any speculations you might have!
These are great thoughts. I've never had any strong inclinations as to where Aragorn was born, but I can certainly imagine the Dunedain as a wandering people, who set up temporary homes in the abandoned ruins of Arnor. Kind of like hermit crabs taking a new shell.
Great video
PSA: Aragorn was 20 years old while Bilbo was defeating Gollum in a game of riddles.
No, he was only nine or ten. Aragorn was born in 2931 (T.A.) and Bilbo met Gollum and found the ring in 2941.
I always imagine King Alfred the Great of England as being much like Aragorn.
Brah, can you make a video about the ring?!
I really would like to hear more about it.
Thx
He was a great king that took care of the troubles in the land. But also knew small things... like which taverns had good beer.
This also just makes the portrayal of Elrond in the film all that worse aragorn was all that was left of his brothers lineage he loved him like a son. I feel like making elrond kind of cold to add tension was not necessary. That storyline was def on the back burner anyway.
He earned that love though because he was slightly different and we as men have forgotten his lessons
Missing your videos man! Hope you can come back soon.👍
Thanks man. I can't wait to be making more videos too! Hopefully not too much longer until new videos are uploaded.
Are they doing the samarillion heard something about it and what app or provider is it on ?
Hi! Great video as always, I'm watching through them all slowly. I have a question I've wondered for a while - in the book, the song is called the Lay of Leithian, but in the movie and in your video it's the Lay of Luthien. Is the Leithian an alternative name for Luthien or does it mean something else? I always assumed it was a mistake in the movie until I heard you say it just now.
Very good question!
So although Leithian does sound a lot like Luthien, it's actually a totally separate Sindarin word that means something along the lines of 'release from bondage.' So the Lay of Leithian is the somewhat confusingly named story of Luthien (and Beren's) quest to release the silmaril from the bondage of Morgoth.
Canto XIII verses 4-8 illustrate this best 🙂
"Behold! the hope of Elvenland
the fire of Fëanor, Light of Morn
before the sun and moon were born,
thus out of bondage came at last,
from iron to mortal hand it passed."
What makes this even more confusing however, is that although Tolkien wrote the really long Lay of Leithian, as well as a different song called the Tale of Tinuviel which Strider sings in LOTR, during the appendices where most of Aragorn and Arwen's early story is told, it is the Lay of Luthien that Aragorn sings. But we have no idea how this goes or how is differs from the Lay of Leithian, as Tolkien never mentioned the Lay of Luthien ever again.
@@tolkienuntangled Thanks! I knew there'd be a good reason!
Maybe the things we go through that seem bad will be woth it in the end. like stryder maybe we will become elessar
Elrond weaponised the "Thingol bet" method. Because Elrond learns from other peoples' mistakes.
Elrond: You must earn your destiny and become king!
Aragorn: shit that’s intense okay… if I do that can I date ur daughter?
Elrond: Jesus. Yeah I guess that’s fair.
“I just can’t wait.............to be king”
Another great video, thank you. If you set the rights issues aside, I think this would make for cracking content for the Amazon show. Daft question but does this mean then that Aragorn isn't wearing the ring in Two Towers like in the movie?
Yeah that scene always made me think that Aragorn wore the ring in the books too, but according to Tolkien, by the time of Lord of the Rings, the Ring of Barahir belonged to Arwen.
@@tolkienuntangled there we go! Every day’s a school day.
the thing that Denethor forgot is that it was never the stewards role to rule Gondor they were merely to keep it Safe and in trust for the next king he started to see him self as equal to the kings of men which i think all men are equal but not all are worthy to rule or have the right to do so We see this with the way they are in their lives some make the world better some hide from it and some do nothing to stop the evil within it from spreading
In doing this he was following the example set by his family for hundreds and hundreds of years. The line of Hurin were descendants of the Elendil through the female line. They were a high ranking Numenor house and they looked down upon the heirs of Isildur.
Denethor himself is probably one of the most accomplished and gifted men to be steward for generations.
The Numenoreans as a whole were the 'Kings of Men' and as said Denethor himself was also descendant from a line of the actual Kings.
I much prefer movie Aragorn to book Aragorn honestly. I thought that it would make sense that he would have some emotional turmoil, considering his most famous ancestor (and the one he would be measuring all of his accomplishments against) failed and allowed evil to persist. Book Aragorn was way too Gung ho to become the king.
Movie Boromir is also better in my opinion.
It's fair enough to prefer these characters, but Isildur's Fall is blown out of proportion in the films. In the books he is much more of a tragic, great character who has accomplished a lot. The only time Aragorn really compares himself to his ancestor is to negatively compare himself to the statues in Denethors halls.
Boromir is more likeable in the films, but I don't think the films really give the impression that Boromir is the heir to the greatest kingdom of still around. To be honest the whole of Gondor is treated poorly. Boromir has the pride one would expect from the 'Prince of Gondor.' Its also worth mentioning that Boromir and all the stewards are almost certainly descendants of Elendil themselves.
Except Isildur didn't fail. What many people seem to be forgetting is that neither Isildur, nor Frodo afterwards, were actually capable of destroying the One Ring. You see, the One Ring was designed to be indestructible, which meant that not only the only way to destroy it was in the fires where it was created but also that it had defensive mechanisms to prevent this possibility from ever actually happening. The One Ring was stronger than any one person, be it Isildur, Frodo, Elrond or even Gandalf, therefore none of them, nor anyone else, could have actually thrown the One Ring into the fires of Mt. Doom willingly, the ring simply wouldn't allow them to. That's why the person that ultimately destroyed the One Ring was Gollum, and he did so unwillingly. He didn't wish to destroy the ring but to get it back, and of course he didn't want to die in the process.
Thanks rainbow Dave!
But in truth Eladan and Elrohir and Elrond himself are relatives with Aragorn...Aragorn was a descendant of Elros first king of Numenor twin brother of Elrond ...distant relativs but relatives and this bloodline lead to Elves Men and even Maiar
Dodgy anime style art is at odds with the really nice middle earth aesthetic.
can you please explain how come you don't have at least 500k subscribers? your storytelling is amazing
Thanks!
Where is the link to the video about Aragorn’s effort to find Gollum. You referenced it in this video, but I can’t find it anywhere obvious choice in your videos, nor in the description.
I love your work, your integrity in your work, your enthusiasm, and your knowledge of the subject matter. I think these all come together to create one of the most exciting Tolkien lore channels.
I hope you will be making videos, out of the joy for it, for a long time.
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Thanks! It’s this one: Lord of the Rings: Books VS Movies Part 2 - What's the Difference?
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@@tolkienuntangled Excellent. Thanks for the reply. I’m about to watch it.
I addressed the issue of the beardlessness of those mortals descended from Luthien in response to a comment below. I believe that a more accurate portrayal of Aragorn in the LoTR movies would have reflected the fact that he was beardless.
It's interesting that it could be argued that Mithrandír should have given the elven ring Narya to Aragorn, since he arguably did more "inspiring" and "kindling hope" in Men than did Gandalf. You could say "well, it would have been too risky to give it to Aragorn, since he was a mortal man and could have died", well, of the two of them, Gandalf actually did die, and Aragorn always managed to win.
Gandalf was alweys more impresive to me
I think Aragorn and Arwen are Beren and Luthien reincarnated.
That can't be true. Luthien and Beren's souls left Arda and there is no indication souls of men can be reincarnated. In fact considering Tolkien's rejection of Elvish reincarnation, at least in their children, it is very very unlikely the souls of men are reincarnated in theirs.
I think Sauron feared isildur becuz isil is the son of elendil remember elendil and gil-galad defeat sauron
And aragorn raised by elrond not only becuz his the heir of isil he also related to elrond cuz elrond twin brother elros is aragorn ancestor
For the ring of Barahir i would contend mauhap it was crafted by a high king of the Noldor, Feanor himself???????
That is Fingolfin's ring, and one of the most powerful reasons, that I claim Peter Jackson staid true to Tolkien.
That is Finrod's ring not Fingolfin's ring. It was given to Barahir, for what we call in the military, a rear guard operation. I am really surprised that no one corrected me. It is not unusual for me to say the wrong thing while drinking, but usually someone corrects me right away, which I am fine with. They did both do one on one battle with the darkest of lords, so it is an easy mistake to make.
Elrond is that solid rock uncle you can always count on lol😂
I disagree with respect? Aragorn in the books always struck me as more humble and vulnerable. He openly risks and doubts himself repeatedly. The films made him more of a superhero.
But why was the Dunedain? Why did they have long life while other men did not? I have not found the answer to this question in any of your videos yet. I thought maybe this one would or the one about the Black Numenoreans, but it wasn't. At some point, pls cover this.
So...way back in the First Age, there were three Houses of Men who joined the Elves of Beleriand in their wars against Morgoth. These were relatively normal men with normal lifespans, but thanks to their actions, Morgoth was eventually defeated at the end of the First Age. At the beginning of the Second Age, the descendents of these First Age Men (known as Edain) were rewarded for their ancestors's heroism by being gifted the island of Numenor. The Men that went to colonise Numenor were given longer lifespans than the other middle-men of Middle-earth. However the longest lived of all Numenoreans were the kings (especially back in the beginning). Fast forward to the end of the Second Age, and (with the help of Sauron) the Numenoreans self destructed, and their entire island was destroyed. But a few faithful Numenoreans survived, and followed their lord Elendil to Middle-earth. During the Third Age, the descendents of these Numenorean exiles became known as the Dunedain, and they lived in their two kingdoms of Arnor and Gondor. Over the years, the Kingdom of Arnor was wiped out by the Witch-king, and the Dunedain of Arnor became nothing more than rangers of the north. When the kingdom fell, the kings of Arnor became mere chieftains of the rangers; and a thousand years later, the last chieftain was Arathorn, father of Aragorn.
So, Aragorn has a longer life than most other men because he is a descendent of the exiled Numenoreans, who were in turn descendents of the Edain of the First Age. But, there's more. Aragorn's father was Arathorn, and Arathorn's father was Arador, and Arador's father was an earlier chieftain of the Dunedain, and his ancestors were kings of Arnor, and their direct ancestor was Elendil, and his direct ancestor was the first ever king of Numenor who was granted exceptionally long life. So the reason Aragorn lives so much longer than any other Dunedain in the Third Age is because he's directly descended from not only Numenor's first king, but also Beren, and Tuor, and Hador, and the other Edain heroes of the First Age who helped take down Morgoth.
Great answer I would just add that the earliest Numenorean king was also Half-Elven. Elros being the twin brother of Elrond.
Elvish blood is definitely dominant and this can be seen how Aragorn, Boromir, Denethor, Faramir and Imrahil don't have beards. This is why whilst ALL Numenoreans had their lives extended the royal line had even longer lives than the others.
@@danbee3288 At llong last I have found someone else who recognizes the beardelessness of those descended from Luthien. Tolkien himself stated as such in one of the last letters that he wrote on the subject of Middle-earth, according to Christopher Tolkien. I think all the bearded images of Aragorn that we see in the ranks of fan art reflect the misconception propagated by the Jackson movies. For someone who researched Middle-earth as thoroughly (supposedly) as he did,, Jackson would have uncovered Tolkien's comments regarding the absence of beards in Luthien's descendants. So: Bravo to you!
I won't fault Vigo Mortensen for his depiction of the Aragorn Peter Jackson wanted him to portray. But I will admit this Aragorn is a much more complicated character.
“Anyway”
Arwen mistaking Aragorn for "an elf-lord from the isles of the west" implies that such lords exist. What happened to the elf-lords of Berenland, but there are a number of hills and mountains that could survive as islands. Maedhros' fortress in Himring is on a hill. I know Maedhros dies in the Silmarillion, but when the Lord of the Rings were written, perhaps Maedhros' fate had not been decided. So Arwen might have mistaken Aragorn for Maedhros. This would bring the elder line of the kings of the Noldor into Aragorn's story, if only indirectly. This is a distant and unlikely closure worthy of Tolkien.
Would Elrond be aragon uncle cuz of Elrond twin brother 🤔
Thousands of years removed - yes.
"and with that sentence Elrond started the return of the king".
Guy became king for the booty 😂😂
Book???? I would love to read it!
Thanks! It's not finished yet, but it's getting there.
I honestly kinda feel like I’m cheating since I haven’t read the books (movies only) but I’ve been watching so many lore videos it’s going to be weird when I finally read them
I don't know, but I feel good about their story. It feel kind of a sad story. I don't know. It's a weird feel.
When watched the movie I always wish for him to stick wit that Rohan lady I forgot the name.
Ive always wondered about this, was he Strider for like 70 years? Lets see what big bro dave knows lol. 2:06 (edit)
imagine if Galadriel just slapped a Silmaril on his brow out of nowhere lol, In the fashion of Feanor and Morgoth. Sauron might've straight up forgot about the ring, or he would've thought he could make it even better..
Maybe they should have named the last part of the "trilogy" aka the last 2 books, something that would have tricked the audience a bit by using the ring of fanarfin, like The rings heir or maybe the titular "lord of the ring" but singular? Even The Lord and the Ring. I feel like most any of those would have pulled the average mind in the wrong direction until you read it then it'd hit you like ahhh, I feel like the go to publisher style name would've been like the last heir, or maybe the ranger and the king but they really dropped the ball. I feel like instead of a spoiler title Tolkien hated, he might've liked something quite the opposite. But ideally y'know... He could've named it? Crazy thought I know!
God the original version is so much better, where he comes off the ships with the twin hunters... That's one part I'll never forget.
I think Sauron only feared isildur becuz isil is the son of elendil remember elendil and gil-galad defeat sauron