Ferrari 458 Italia vs Ducati 1198S - Forza Italia!
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- Which is faster? Motorcycle or car? We take these two Italian speed machines to the drag strip and the race track to find out.
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I have a bit of an issue with the closing statement...
YES, it does take someone like Steve Rapp to get those lap times from the Ducati...
But Mr. Bell is not "your average Joe" either!!
Of course, the Ferrari has a bunch of stuff that "helps" any driver be 'better' than their natural skill level... but let's see "average Joe" do a full-power 4-wheel drift, and change gears in the middle...or even know that he should change gears at that moment...
All told, with BOTH vehicles being piloted by top-level professionals... this WAS a "fair fight". The only thing not contested, where the car would have the advantage, was top speed on a long open road. There, the Ferrari would take the Ducati...eventually...if the road was long enough...
And, of course, I would LOVE to have them BOTH sitting in my garage, waiting for me to "exercise them" on a regular and frequent schedule... (-:
From experince as a avid fan of racing and having both fhe fortune of trackimg supercar and superbike the dfference between a skill is imense for a bike in terms of sheer pace a pro rider to a skiled enthusaist and a noob is night and day a pro can cut about 15seconds of from a skilled enthusaist and a enthusaiat can cut a full min off from the noob while cars are much closer the difference between say chris harris and vetell maybe 5s seconds the differene between a bike presenter/reviewer and rossi maybe 15 seconda a lap for car ita quite easy to get within 90 percent of the best driver but its far harder to get near the same pace as the best rider and bike are very scary and they can cost you dearly if you go beyond your skill limits while car are far more forgiving
We have to repeat this test with both a rider and driver who've had their license for something like a year. I'm convinced that the rider would still stand a fair chance, simply due to the fact that most bikers are often more enthusiastic and skill-oriented
can't believe 10 years has passed since the first time I saw this amazing video!
I'd rather be good at riding and save $270,000 and get the bike
How much will a new pair of legs cost you?
+Gitonga Mwaniki how much will a new opinion cost u coz u defo need one
+Gitonga Mwaniki In Canada free, free healthcare, get the bike :P
PappaLitto me too!!
So true, ferrari is nuts... fast and awesome best car company but still bonkers
No matter how many times a bike beats a car, car fan boys will always be mad. If a car beats a bike the bike guys will be mad. What you cant argue with is a bike takes way more skill to ride. Anyone who knows how to drive a can go buy a 100,000 dollar sports car if they have the money and drive it fast. If you can drive a car fast doesnt mean you have the skill to drive a bike fast.
nyuki187 yup. It does depend on what bike you have though for comfort. I rode my dads V-strom 1000 and its like a couch. My Cbr 600 isnt to bad but after 2 or 3 hours your ass hurts
bike comfort veries, true, like the shitty sit of a 883 sportster or a king chair of a CBX-750. but i'm talking about the comfort of a hot day and a rainy day (which account for most of year), when you just get into your car, turn the AC accordingly, turn up the music and pick up your girl while it rains heavily with your/her bags in the back seat, all while staying dry, smelling nice, making it possible to go on a date any time, anywhere. i rode bikes all year, nothing comes close to a comfort of a car,
nyuki187 I never use the AC though lol . And i kinda like riding in the rain. Im gonna fight this lol
listen, i like bikes too, but they aren't designed for comfort, they are designed for fun.
nyuki187 well some are but for the most part yah. They are shit loads of fun though. Cant deny that
God bless Italians
Victoria Petras thanks! God bless you too
I'm A Biker, And I'm Proud :)
Of course the Ferrari would lose in a drag race against the Ducati! But around the racetrack, the 458 will murder...
Damn it!
Chris Cummings wrong
@Alistair Blake he's quoting the video. did you even watch the vid till the end?
Idiot, 1198 run 2 seconds faster in the lap time than the 458.
Why people are just so stupid?
Is like watching a video in which they said "sky is blue" and reply "Oh yes the sky is red".
haha there is no way, motorcycles turn the same ish
Lmao
Cars vs. bikes...they both have their place, we love 'em! Unfortunately most of us will never have the chance to experience a car like the Ferrari, but the Ducati is much more accessible!
I would prefer the commentary without the tired, chauvinistic "Italian supermodel" analogy
No car comes close to the sensation of riding a bike.
+SpyderRios Thats the simple truth. I've done both and while the supercar makes heads turn (not everyone likes that), it isnt close of a sensation to put the pedal to the metal than it is to open the throttle so wide that you feel its going to throw you right off the ride. The brutal acceleration of a liter bike (or above) is something noone can understand from watching videos.
This argument will rage on for years. Some like bikes some like cars. There both great. Im a bike fan as I ride on the road and hate traffic, but my wife would rather be in a super car going slow so that people can look at her. Ive never been beaten by a car on a ride through london but I wouldnt like to ride in a stock car race either. The moral is you can never compare bikes and cars as they are just not the same. To sumerise girls like cars and men like bikes!
Cars will beat bikes so easier if they have similar power to weight ratio, caterham can defeat ducati by 13 seconds with 50bhp/tone less , the Ducati ran 10s 1/4mile the new Nismo GTR ran 9.3s stock gtr ran 10s. Has u ever herd Supra or Turbo Supra?
If if if. You cant compare.
What can't I compare, supercars>superbikes. GTR have 600less hp in p/w ratio still the ducati lead only 3 seconds ahead, The caterman have a pretty close power to weight ratio as ducati, then the car lead the bike for 13 seconds. CARS 1 BIKES 0
Watford to croyden bike every time car never. Bike to any where any time bike every time. Get real no match if you select the criteria. Some times cars are better some times bikes. There not the same so dont compare.
There is: Who work batter. In race, car get speed at straight lots of grip at corners not easy to die for a connection.
Road going, car is safer, more efficient. There is many way to compare so just do it.
No matter how fast or "exciting" a car is, it will never be as exciting as a super bike! Not hating on the car at all!
+Adders321
No one buys a car for excitement, you muppet. They either buy it for multi purpose use or comfort/luxury or for it's beauty /show off.
So lack of excitement is not a negative.
for and suv or a luxury saloon yes but the whole point of getting a supercar is to feel the rush and excitement and no supercar will ever feel as exciting as bike even if a car is faster 300 kph on a car feels nothing like 300 on a bike
You idiot, you clearly didn't understand anything I wrote. So, in all your wisdom you are telling me people don't buy Lamborghini's or Ferrari's for excitement? bullshit.
of course a ferrari is exciting just not as exciting or as raw as bike if you want speed and outright adrenaline rush no beating a bike my friend but the those supercar sure pull the girls and get you a parking space in any fancy restaurant cant do that with a bike
AdLP640 as soon as he resorted to name calling his argument was lost
DUDE you ROCK!!!...Its amazing how you understand and respect both Cars and Bikes...just like I do, I love both of em...respect both wheels...and also respect you, I was just in cars first...but then, also fell in beauty of bike...so now I'm enjoying my life loving Cars and Bikes!!!...
An excellent bike vs. car video - let the next round commence!
10 seconds flat for the quarter is stunning though.
So, in essence, motorcycles are fast while cars can make you think you are fast. Hmm...
Just watching some vids this weekend while waiting for my new Ducati Multistrada S to arrive. 0-60 in 2.8 they say.:-)
I've got the base 1198, you crack it more than half throttle from a stop and you're heading straight to loop city. That being said, it is so much fun to ride I wouldn't trade it for anything....maybe a new V4 Superleggera, but thats it lol.
Ducati for the win
I'm lucky to have both, so depending on what I'm thinking at the moment, I pick one to ride. Both are completely crazy, simply perfect. Nice video.
I never get tired of these showdowns. :-)
at 10th of a price
nothing beats the fun and girl pulling power per $ of a Ducati :)
Haha, I need to replace my Suzuki then, because it only seems to attract men.
theTenthlife Easy trick, go to bars with your helmet, girls don't care what you ride, if you ride a motorcycle, she's probably going to want your D
theTenthlife Gixxers suck! They're great on the track, but that's only when other dudes are all around you, COL (chuckling out loud).
Never said Gixxer...
There is no question that BOTH of these vehicles are full-on 'chic magnets' ...
But very few girls know the difference in motorcycles...but they ALL 'know' about Ferrari's!
And most girls/ladies will be much less likely to ride with you on a sport bike than they will in a Ferrari!
i like this british guy, his review is always been mature, well organized, and informative
Love this! Never gets old!
458 Italia Laptime: 1.22.3
1198S Laptime: 1.19.3
BEGIN THE CHANT! DU-CA-TI! DU-CA-TI! DU-CA-TI! :)
Very fair review. That was enjoyable to watch.
@54spatula sir, your views are intriguing and i second your notion
Italians...thanks for the great art, fast cars, trick bikes & amazing women!
They should do it again with a BMW HP4, like lol where's the Ferrari???
Jim Gleason/MotorTrend! Could you please tell me the name of the song playing at 0:09! I'm absolutely in love with it!
@loeger1 noise restrictions/regulations require exhaust systems that restrict air flow. engines, especially high reving naturally aspirated ones like the ferrari's, are all about air flow
I just bought one of these bikes. Oh. My. Sweet. Baby. Jesus.
I think I am going to need bigger testicles.
This video made me appreciate the ferrari more. It did great against a super bike
i love the way this guy talks. U know what your saying dude. Ur awesome
@MrsShadowBroker Yes i do. Look up "650SBK Race - Streets of Willow" he takes third at 1:19.44 or something like that on a dayton 675. Tires were Pirelli Supercorsa Pro's with a 190 rear. Bikes are modified to though.. But nothing to crazy we cant do in our own garage.. I heard the record is 1:15.8 still looking for it though. And this track is the same technical version in this video.. They have a larger track they use these days.. weird if you ask me.. I like the smaller one..
Thank you Italy.
you're welcome
WOW that is one fast car to come that close to a bike! well done Ferrari
What's the music at the start? I can't find it from Shazam.
I like this video because it highlights all parts of each side. Some similar videos skew the results, or don't paint an accurate picture. I would say its still slightly biased to car, saying it takes insane skill to enjoy a bike, but not bad overall.
But but but but but I'm butthurt. There's only one sort of car that will own a super/sports motorcycle on a track - super cars - the f1 - f3 types.
Yup and they are both illegal to drive on public roads and they cost many millions of dollars ;)
this is not GP bike. At GP Bikes have 250-280 Horse power. This is serial bike you can buy it like a ferrari but you can't buy GP bike like F1. Compare f1 f3 to GP bikes if you want
They are just trying to make Ferrari look better at the end
Can someone tell me the difference the 1098, 1198, and 1199? Just engine size with suspension changes?
Bell's supermodel reference was perfect lol
Fuck it, I'm getting a Kawasaki ZX 14R.
this 4 little word call FUCK, indeed is a powerful word
How about a 600, if it's the first time you've ridden I don't think you need any faster than 2.9 seconds to 60mph.
All true.. to ride a bike like that around the track, one has to be pretty special. HOWEVER even I will outdrag a $200K Ferrari on my $6K Gixxer 1000.
Yeah it takes guts to drive superbikes.But super bike vs super car or 1299 panigale whatever vs laferrari, i am afraid the bike loses
Depends on the track/car - on longer/faster tracks (e.g.: Spa, Nurburgring) an average production 1000cc bike will be faster than most supercars. Either way bikes provide a much bigger bang for the buck, but require much more specialist skill to go at comparable speeds.
My old 1984 Ninja 900 would do a high 10 second quarter mile, & you can get one of those for $1500.00!!
SCARFACE if your taking the laferrari against a Ducati then you also have to take the top of the range bike. The 1299 and 1299s are both more street oriented. The 1299r or superleggera are the top of the range 'street legal' track focused bikes. I think it depends on the circuit to be honest. In braking zones the car can make up a lot of time as well as mid corner when the bike is less stable. The bikes speed is in its acceleration and direction changes
1299s panigale is at least 3 second a lap quicker then the 1198s im not sure laferrari is 7 second faster then 458 on willow springs that how much it has to be faster to beat a new panigale and anyway the 1299s is not even the fastest one there the 1299 superleggera or a h2r /hp4 race if your gonna bring the most expensive hypercar you better compare it to a hyper bike a 1299 is more or less a 458/488 in the ferrari tree of hierarchy and ducati aren't even the fastest superbike maker to be honest
@stoneeh Im not trolling, i simply need education. But how does noise restriction give a powerboost?
@Paul G the busa is faster is because it has more cylinders than the Ducati. Ducati is a v twin. So needs more cc to have the power of the other 1000cc bikes.. Another example is the 3 Cylinder Triumph 675cc competes with 600cc inline 4s. Hope that answers your question.
let me see, Lamborghini didn't have the guts to go head to head with the 458 but
Ferrari had the guts to go head to head with a Ducati 1198S. If I ever hit the lotto I'm buying the Ferrari and the Ducati.
rdsii64 They're still pussies for not racing LaFerrari against the P1 and the 918.
tavi921 VS Bmw hp4 VS Panigale superleggera VS Aprillia RSV4 VS R1
That would be a good race
next up... a ford fiesta vs Ducati 1198S.... makes as much sense as this video
The funny thing about it is that the Ford Fiesta is probably still more expensive than the Ducati. When you think about it, its just crazy how much performance these bikes offer for such a low price.
TheLastGunfighter Block's fiesta is 500 grand :)
***** Lol, it's already 25000$ VS 280000$
What do you want ? 25000$ VS 5000000$ ? ^^ Don't you understand that a streetlegal car can't beat a superbike unless it's 5000000$ ?
@OnInstiinct no worries.lol.. It was the 2009. Google "2009 supersport shootout track."
Does anybody know the name of the song playing in the beginning between 0:08-1:24
comparing a car and bike is as illogical as comparing a corporate jet and a fighter plane. just like the bike and a fighter plane it takes a professional to pilot it at its true potential while a commercial pilot or part time racer can push a business jet or a 458, they aren't the same and are not meant to be! and price comparisons are even more stupid, more technology = more price hence, bike
Your comment = Ferrari fanboy who can't accept defeat
Lol not really ! I love bikes and I have a little r6 myself ! Ferrari fan or not it's not possible for that high power vtwin to loose to any car with a capable rider. My point was just that because they couldn't find a lambo doesn't mean they just get a bike and have a race. It defeats the purpose since everyone would know the results anyway.
next up..Ford Ranger vs Ducati 1198s
To make it fair they should take the DUCATI 1199 Superleggera which will be released in 2014!
That V-twin sounds just sick!
Do you remember the order of the fastest bikes ? because i can't seem to find it anywhere
Bike may be faster down a straight but the car is better in pretty much everyway; looks, sound, practicality and useability. I wouldn't choose the bike anyday, I like to stay dry when it rains.
To each his own, but after riding bikes all the time, cars are boring.
warner735 so true, I was completely into cars before I ever got on a bike. Had a really nice 300zx that I spent a shit ton of money restoring and modding until it was just how I wanted it. Then got introduced to riding, sold the car, got a bike, and never looked back. Anyone who prefers a car has prolly never felt that feeling of leaning over close to the pavement and catapulting out of a corner
Well if you have the money to chose, why not both (chuckle)
rdsii64 If you have the money more power to you, but even in First World countries very very few people can afford a Ferrari or Lambo.
warner735 I can barely afford the used motorcycle I have now, but If I did have that kind of cash.......................
Both italian, and the bike vs car deal has always made a great show.
awesome video :)
love it
Amazing cinematography
is there any scuderia version of the 458 ????
What's the instrumental?
Very nice video.
What's the name of this track?
Guys, what is the song playing in the beginning?) please help , can`t find it((((((((
LOL at the Englishman having a moment in the Italian car, funny shit.
You are right, so in that sense I stand corrected. I just sold my Ducati Monster recently, and although they don't make them like they used to, it was still a nice-ish bike. A friend of mine who works at Ducati in their development team said that modern dukes are basically "sushi wrapped in pizza" these days. I thought it quite funny.
Lap records at willow springs technical track are by Jeremy Toye on an R6 and Cbr 1000rr.
R6 clocked 1:14.913
CBR ran a 1:14.271
Both are a fantasy, and my favorite of their respective categories.
is the ducati on slicks?
that noise from the 1198 testastretta. masterpiece
no, your english was great. and i agree, everyone knows the power to weight of the a supersport bike will always win in a drag, the power to weight of those things is like that of a balistic missile (i ride a Triumph Speed Triple, and that is no pushover in my opinion, at 138 hp) but a full race would be particularly interesting, id love to see that, like a WSBK race with other high end race cars with them too! (i dont know the car class terms, sorry)
@deemvv not necessarily the Ferrari weighs much more so it outweighs the grip
My favorite video of all time (but then again, I'm in love with everything "Ducati")
@MrsShadowBroker are you a Mass Effect Fan?
@SDkawi6 I know man. I love coming back to this page, it's hilarious.
@MrsShadowBroker Just think, with skycars there'll be more room for boosters. They'll be quicker than what would've replaced bikes.
Nice vid.
Now run a F12 Berlinetta against the 1199 Panigale S. Would be interesting to see what happens.
NAME OF THE SONG??? In beginning 0:08 - 1:25 ??? Please :-)
I love cars, I did a Tial Sport Stage 3 Twin-Turbo kit in my 2001 S4. Which is my weekend car since I drive a nice 2500 Dodge 4 door as my daily now.
Last summer I picked up the regular 1198 (not the S). It almost makes me not care about cars anymore. My brother sold his Lamborghini, since after I got my bike he got one too, and also picked up a 1198S version. We use to ride motocross etc.
Riding isn't safe like a car but you can't beat the Performance:Price ratio.
Drive/ride safe guys!
why not have both?
Shame the ducati's don't sound as great as they look, cause the ferrari does! Great video, thanks for uploading :)
just wondering, how skillful you need to be in order to ride a ducati? And is it very dangerous and uncomfortable if I just use it in the city?
Duas lindas maquinas velozes. otimo video . .....rsrs
Both beautiful examples of art and automotive engineering.
ariel atom? is safer easier to drive can carry 2 people. is as fast ?
GT1, GT2, GT3 those one, whichever they determine is most congruent with the performance of the bikes, i would love to see as close a match as possible
good comeback Hector.. lol.. I guess you got me. hahaha..
It's cool to have one of each Italian in ya garage. Each has it's place, one is not better than the other.
Go for it. The Streets is a handling course. I would be very curious as to how the mighty Bug would do there. It is less than a second faster than a 458 on the TG test track and over 2 seconds off the one and only (not posted) bike time there... (Since Clarkson would rather jump in a lake of fire than put a bike on his lap time table)
You do realize the best lap time on the Streets for a stock road car is 1:20.25 by the GTR? Do you know how much that thing weighs?
The music at the beginning was beatiful...
@lionbeer actually choose your words carefully... Ken Blocks ford fiesta goes from 0-60 in 1.9 seconds..
You got a new subscriber.
How?
awesome video thumbs up
completely fascinating
Good commenting on the video finally explaining those ppl out there why it is nonsense to complain about Bike vs Car comparisons
@dalesalsa it's your choise what car it is, depending of level of compromises you can take, in the name of... something. I mean, for some people it's enough the vehicle to move on it's own (fast enough, of course:) ). Motorbikes (and not just 'em), don't have any roof, climatics and stuff... but people ride 'em everywhere, not just on track; (and chicks love 'em too!) ;) I can't find why Atom V8 to be exception of this group?
1 of the pistons on that ducati equal 4 of mine on my r6 :(
is the motorcycle expensive on motorycycle terms? seems pretty cheap for a brand new car but its not a car so...
It is one game?
music in the beginning, anyone?
@54spatula I agree with both of you guys.. In the SF bay area so much street racing from both bikes and cars. Actually quite lame if you ask me.. They are all about how fast their vehicle is.. How about they take it to the track and who how fast (slow) they really are..