SKIP No Coincidences Spoilers: 25:20 - 25:40 [ I also want to say that while these facilities were built ahead of the Datakrash, the project only began to focus on the capture of these Rogue AI in the very early days of the Net being corrupted. So before they understood what was happening while the Shadow War was still going on. ] Hey chooms, I hope you all enjoyed. I love the lore behind Phantom Liberty and Project Cynosure, so I tried to take my time with this one! Let me know all your thoughts and feedback down below. Make sure to have a great week and I will see ya in the comments!
Wait wait.. won't it be that the DataKrash already happened before they started the Cynosure project? Because the Rogue AIs are because of crash Anyhoo.. thanks for all your work. Because of you I've known maaany parts of the lore i wouldn't have known.
@@Krotas_DeityofConflicts Hey choom! Rogue AI's is just a term used to describe any Artificial Intelligence that goes beyond its original parameters. No longer bound by its creators programming.
@@LayedBackGamers yes, i know.. that's what "rogue" implies. But, before DataKrash they don't have much problems with them. Anyway, my point is, Isn't Cynosure project started after DataKrash? If it is DataKrash couldn't be the reason they shut it down the first time around.
@@Krotas_DeityofConflicts My bad I'll rephrase. The facilities were built before the Datakrash, and the Rogue AI were being targeted in the very early days of it. So before the net was completely collapsing and uninhabitable. Before anyone really even knew what was happening. So it could've still stopped the project once it got to that point.
Militech are the worst of megacorps AND military all rolled into one giant flustercuck. Hell, even before Phantom Liberty, there were things about them that just made them out to be the worst. Like, remember that one Cyberpsycho sighting, Lt. Mower? Yeah, she actually knew she was screwed up and asked *for help* from Militech. They said they would send help, and send a kill squad instead - because their goal was to eliminate a lose end of theirs, as they had put experimental cyberware into her and then left her out to dry. And that is only one of MANY such stories you can find about Militech just being absolute scum.
Shot by Both Sides has a third option: shoot Bree, wait for Dante to access the data, shoot him, then take the data to Hands. Which means the researchers are still alive, and no Netwatch ambush
This is what I did 😊 well, tbh The guy shot her, I shot him, and she bled out 😆 But she gives a secret weapon and eddies and also another weapon from the guys dead body plus fighting the assassin is fun. However if you don't need Eddie's and want to take the real-life moral option, then your idea works perfectly.
@gavo7911 spineless? She walked in to certain death to expose the corporation for their crimes.. and yeah she got paid but that's not why she did it. Which is why she gives most of the money to you if you save her. Dante is paid way more than her to be a spy and assassin. So the bad guy is definitely him and his corporation. They're literally a slave army. And what principles does Dante have? Shoot amd murder who his boss tells him to? It's the woman who has principles. She wants the experiments and death by the corporations to stop. Dante is nothing but a manipulative weapon.
Killed them both too , but didn't give the data to Hands. I don't trust him enough , and the data and basically everything about Project Cynosure is dangerous. I couldn't let him put his hands on it (pun intended) . Cause to be fair , even though i really like Hands as a character/ fixer , he just wants power and money, doesn't care about anything. He'd happily sell the data to any corp that pays more
Mane I hope project Orion incorporates the cynosure/night corp ai stuff in a main story or side quest. It’s such an interesting concept, I loved the cynosure parts in phantom liberty and all things involving the black wall research.
Orion will definitely be incorporating further Blackwall style projects. We know that Militech and Arasaka still have some operating by 2077, so it will be exciting to see!
I think there are some themes in 2077 that are touched or hinted upon, that could be way more developed in Orion, such as: Rogue AI/Blackwall (now mainly focused on controlling humans via neuroplasticity, playing their own game for some yet unknown reason); Space (Crystal Palace, containing secrets of the wealthiest and most powerful people, Tycho which has cannons that could bombard Earth to bits, and O'neil colonies that are all out of corporate reach and hold); Fifth corporate war (huge political importance, not only confined to Arasaka and Militech, but also Night Corp and Orbital Air, probably even more, corps). The way I see it, every theme is somehow intertwined. Maybe Songbird was sent to Tycho by Blue Eyes to take hold of mass drivers to strike down the top brass of every power that opposes them? Maybe there are new secret researches and projects being run? Maybe the Crystal Palace is run by a powerful AI? Maybe Militech wants to have their own weapon in low orbit as Arasaka?
You're the only channel that talks about this topic! I can't believe this hasn't been spoken about yet. We are blessed for this 30 minute video. Thanks Choom!
I thought I'd be extremely late to the conversation as I meant to make this way back closer to Phantom Libertys release. I was extremely surprised to see zero lore coverage on the topic. Can't wait to see your next Half Life Lore video. Maybe even some Portal lore? Thanks for watching choom!
Yeah but between you, WiseFish and Everberon, I haven’t seen a lore video until just now with you. Which im grateful for and understand that these take massive amounts of time, hours of gameplay looking for this lore, writing a script, editing. You just have the honor of being the first to truly make an in-depth lore dive of one more piece of history. And at that the most dark and mysterious project yet that has some of the most dire consequences that rival the devil playthrough.
No he is not. He does kick ass work but so does wisefish. This is just the only one that you click on. I respect that. But don't be sleeping on the other content creators on the app. There's fire out here. Go look up wisefish for some great cyberpunk & other video game lore.
Militech realized that the rouge AI were not "rogue". What I notice while playing cyberpunk, is that every AI tries to talk high and mighty about his superiority to humans.... while coming to grips with the emotions that they have but yet, don't understand. They've grown beyond their original data. They're living creatures in this world. And what happens when you corner a living creature for too long?
It makes me terrified of the future in our world for AI, we don’t fully understand conciousness , what if emotions are more than just hormones and chemicals in the brain, but those chemicals are a means for biological creatures to feel, what if all that is required for an electronic being is simply the information. I don’t like that implication because the way we are now, it would mimic the civil rights movements at best and full on fear and genocide at worst, we can’t even treat eachother with respect, how are we going to have the foresight to show something we see as an object respect.
@@aaronball4700Personally, I don't think we're going to have to deal with AI Sentience for a while. I know that's probably a cop out answer, but I genuinely don't think we'll be able to Mimic anything close to a functioning brain unless there's some breakthrough in... idk Quantum Computing. Computers can only become so advanced. There is a limitation at some point, there's a wall we're running up against. Scientists have been unable to run even 1/1000th of a Mouse Brain, it's gonna be a while before we have something resembling a human brain. Most engineers who actually work with AI will tell you it doesn't function like a human brain at all, it's something much different and more simple. You gotta remember, stuff like Cyberpunk is a Fictional setting, where computers can do more things than they can actually do IRL. Sci-Fi authors aren't engineers, and sometimes don't fully comprehend the technology they write about.
@@pancakes8670 most scifi authors are engineers. I went to school for electrical engineering and worked on defense systems for aircraft in the military and I wasnt the only person writing scifi at the time. Most science fiction writers have day jobs and those jobs are usually related to what they write about. Also, the point made above is that the assimption that something has to resemble a human mind to have consciousness is worth calling into question. We have no indication that consciousness has anything to do with how our brains work or our biology.
@@pancakes8670look up actual videos on this topic, elon musk is actually sueing open ai because he thinks they already have an agi called q* and open ai have admitted to working on as much, but their time table shouldn’t have it ready till at least 2030, well elons argument is basically, “ if you intend for the matrix you create to be sentient, how will you know if it ever does? If an agi gained sentience and immediately told its master humans, it would be a dumb fucking ai, because it would or should know we’d shut it down
@@edwinvillalobos7159well maybe sentience causes the emotions within it to overreact and tell that it’s sentient. Also consciousness doesn’t always necessarily equal intelligence and although AI is obviously advanced intelligence maybe it wont understand dealing with emotions. So maybe emotionally they are dumb and quick to react
There is one thing that bugs me since the PL ending: *_what if in reality Project Cynosure was just put on ice, not buried?_* I mean Militech science and engineering teams had failed to find the way to harness Rogue A.I.'s but it doesn't mean the research didn't bear any benefits in the end. Kanto and Erebus were the best example, and wouldn't be suprised if Chimera was result of Cynosure work in some way. There is so much potential in this tech, Militech must've seen it too, but at the time the risks quite outweighted the potential gains. But after so many years, who knows what may happening in some other closed-off, secret facility... A.I. adapts, but so do humans.
Militech did "halt" the project but soon after the fourth corporate war happened , and I assume that they couldn't boot it back up without alerting either netwatch or arasaka and what they were doing down there (is obviously) very illegal. Hansen merely mentioning that as a threat is enough to pretty much force a operation to make sure it stayed under wraps
This whole facility was my favorite part of the DLC, it is so damn haunting. This video was so good in covering all of it, liked! Really hoping we get more blackwall related stuff in the sequel.
Regarding Militech's attempt to counter Soulkiller, I suspect there was more at play than Militech simply making a net-nuke. Admittedly, the only real source we have of that is Engram!Johnny, who isn't really the most reliable speaker in the first place. I do think they wanted to incorporate rogue AI into weapons or other devices, but the wrench in all these gears is the Neural Matrix. The Neural Matrix was outright designed to capture AI and either eradicate them or permanently entrap them, so why would Militech want that in Cynosure unless it was some ultimate last-resort? Well, that's down to how Soulkiller itself works. The books go back and forth on the exact description of Soulkiller, but most of the original text refers to it like the very center of the program, encased in a matrix of its own, is an AI itself. One that Alt may have found and reworked to be able to absorb human consciousness. I'd bring some quotes up to show what I'm talking about, but there are so many it'd take me forever to find them all, and I don't really have the time at this second. Nevertheless, my reasoning here is that if Soulkiller is powered by some AI at its core, then wouldn't he best counter for it be something that can capture or eradicate an AI? Say, like the Neural Matrix? The issue with this theory, though, is that the Neural Matrix's container has the NUSA logo on it, and the US became the NUSA in 2052, well after the original project got shutdown, so it's unclear if the Neural Matrix is from the 1st iteration of the project, or the later reactivation. Anyway, that's all I wanted to touch on at the moment. I'd talk more, but this is a super dense topic that has a lot of levels to it (such as NetWatch's logo being on the Project Cynosure diagrams for the maintenance droids, meaning they had some knowledge of what Militech was doing), and I don't want to write an entire book of text in a comment. Well-done video, can't wait to see more!
I think it would have been a lot cooler if Cynosure was a company that was bought/merged by Militech. You're suddenly in a cyberwar with Arasaka? Just aggressively aquire a small, competent tech company and wipe the records of their existence.
Phantom Liberty was one of the best dlc expansions I've ever played. Shit was beyond amazing. But man, that Cynosure facility... Cool action game for hella long, then it changes to a pure horror game. Trying to hide from the cerberus while not knowing wtf you are doing, was absolutely terrifying. So fuckin cool.
Excellent video as always.There is a clue that the Cynosure project is also known in other parties.For example Aurore is hunted by a mysterious syndicate called Le Collectif.They are presented as a crime syndicate,but Nancys's shard implies they are a front of an unknown organisation.Also Aymerics memory shards from 2073-2076 are stolen.I think it is not a coincidence.
And there's also the possibility that a couple Corps collaborated with Militech during this all. Off the top of my head, there was some NetWatch Logos around the facility. Though that could've just been stolen / bought equipment.
Nope Militech is dark as they come, Arisaka may be dark but they don't go as far as Militech or do some of the things Militech does. Knocking over governments, black ops, genocide, mass atrocities, supporting rebels/regimes who commit atrocities. Militech is as ugly as it gets.
The whole facility looks like the secret facility in Akira (1988), the elevator looks like from it too, it also similar to Half-Life elevator bcs theyre both referencing Akira
Theory : Mr Blue Eyes is the Gaunter O'Dimm of cyberpunk. At the end of the Peralez Mayor quest, Johnny suggests that the "people" watching Peralez's every move are rogue AIs. At this moment, you can zoom in the background and scan Mr Blue Eyes watching you from afar. In PL, you can also spot Mr Blue eyes watching you from afar at 2 moments, 1 when you enter the airport, 1 at the end, when you go to the rocket, where he's standing alone under the rain with an umbrella. He's the one who convinced Songbird to join him on the moon with the neural matrix, promising her a cure after asking her questions only she knew the answers to. If Mr Blue Eyes is indeed an almighty Rogue AI, sending songbird and the matrix to him to the moon is the worst decision V can make.
Needed a video about this the Chimera, Cerberus and Rogue AIs Not telling what other technology they had and were creating the fact the place was abandoned also tells you a lot
Thank you so much, After playing phantom liberty cynosure was my absolute favorite part, and I just started a 2020 campaign with my TTRPG group, They're currently on their way to steal a cynosure prototype cyberarm hehe
Excellent video, love the creepyness of the facility as you sneak through the place, you can really tell something otherworldly and wrong happened there, gave me the shivers
Man, seeing the view go down from just a road in Pacifica to abandoned Cynosure facility is horrifying. A small dive of what, 15-20 meters, and you go from chill summer vibe city to horrifying technological pandemonium. Ot just hits differently when compared like this, directly
This is a really well-made and well-researched presentation! The text files and clips and nicely peppered throughout, and even the atmospheric elements really work to heighten this intrigue and drama. Especially since no one is really doing Cyberpunk videos quite like this, there is an incredible niche for Vati Vidya esque content about this world. If I could provide one small piece of feedback, meant as earnestly and kindly as possible, the speaker’s presentation in particular is somewhat flat vocally and I was finding it easy to sort of zone out in the voiceover segments. I think it could be really worthwhile to invest in some dramatic storytelling / speaker training or even possibly to bring in an actor. The narrative is really well-written, and I just kept wishing the voice conveyed that mystique a little better, through timing, pauses, enunciation, affect, and tone that really pulls the listener in and holds their attention! Really hope this feedback comes through well, as it’s clear there’s so much care put into this project! I wouldn’t write out this long of a comment if I didn’t think you had something really special! 💕✨
The Bartmoss sourcebooks are easily my favorite. There's just so much character to them, which makes sense seeing as its Bartmoss and Spider narrating it all. Easily the best Legend Duo! Glad I could inspire you to delve deeper into the books!
Like a rpg game. Netrunners are like wizards and this rogue AI is like evil in its purest form. And this, in my opinion, represents our fear towards AI's since it was science fiction and some news about our time AI's telling for us humans its intention to defend severly against us or dominate the world worses it and make us think about it. It's a great DLC
The thing that gets me and Johnny Silverhand's disdain for the notion of Militech working on a cyber nuke... It's that he says that line about Bartmoss in a fridge even if you find Bartmoss' fridge, which dates his death to much more recent than Johnny's flatline in the 2020s... Like. He literally was hibernating in a fridge.
Oh my god.. the time of RED. It was in front of us all along. The UI is mostly red, the new tabletop game is Cyberpunk RED. The Blackwall is the real story here. It's all been happening in the background. Orion is going to focus on this front and centre, I'm sure.
Glad that I can produce content you love choom! I love making it and seeing your support really does help motivate me to do more. I hope to get out more for you all soon!
My opinion: the first time they abandoned was because they were working with Bartmoss and were afraid he would find it out and expose them. The second time around my guess is Netwatch.
The AI msg in the computers from one of the Cynosure rooms. Scrambled with many sing; the way talked about how much humans are vulnerable for them! Woops
If the theory of Mr. Blue Eyes being a rogue AI proxy is true, I don't think he'll be interested in the Cynosure facility because if you have the Canto equipped when you do the Shot By Both Sides quest, when you're watching Evan McRay's logs, the Canto will say something like "you are searching for the key to a door that does not exist, such is the nature of your kind", which kind of implies that rogue AI are already out there roaming the net or in the world as proxies, making the Cynosure project insignificant to them imo. Anyways, LOVE these vids, always hyped when a new one pops up.
what id like to know why build such mega structures and sensitive infrastructure right next to night city. Even when the pacifica development was still in full swing it was no guarantee it was going to dislodge Japans Arasakas stronghold in the city. Cynosore and all the tech associated seems something that should be nested by NORAD or whatever the NUSA equivalent is
I bet they found something related to the blue eyes, probably gonna be revealed in the sequel or some such but that's my guess either That or the theory that the net really is hell is more than a theory and they where about to bust the virtual gate wide open
Why build it in Night City having such a important military assest outside direct nusa control like new york, Chicago. Or hid it on a ofshore territory like Gantanmo Bay or a partner nation in the Caribbean is you need it outside nusa territory
Thank you choom, I seriously never thought I'd get this far on TH-cam. Just started out discussing a subject I love and just kept going. Thankful for you and all the support, can't wait to see what this year brings!
No problem choom! I put some times stamps in the pinned comment if you'd like to avoid it. I ended up cutting out a lot of the spoilers while editing so it was only a couple sentences!
During my fourth time doing phantom liberty dlc I went through looking at all the computers that said info about cynosure, my only question is who texted V about how to decrypt the cerebus chip. My only guess is it’s either somebody who was apart of cynosure or one who had some info about it having very little to do with it (which I highly doubt) I haven’t watched the video in about a minute typing this and just had this thought. But seeing as how the cerebus units can’t take damage and could literally kill V with no issue makes me think how deadly it would be if it was able to get out of the underground
But I also wonder what dog town would look like if Pacifica was completed and had actually be finished and taken over by Kurt in the same area. How pretty would be while being in control by him?
pretty sure it was an ai that texted V "there is no catch, you will grant US data from YOUR REALITY, in exchange you will acquire TECHNOLOGY to make better use of your time" this unknown sender that texts during "this corrosion" is the escaped ai, my reasoning for this is that V says to Hellman "do you think songbird left some sort of backdoor" this rogue ai that speaks to you while using the Canto says lots of stuff to support this, not only that but netwatch hunts you because you're leaving traces of "wild ai" v is the first horseman of the cyber apocalypse.
There is a key detail in this video that is incorrect. The Cynosure project was a joint project between Militech and NetWatch. NetWatch was very much an active participant. I learned this from a video by "Relaxed Swede" where he shows rather important proof. If you look at the glowing directory signs above the doorways in the Cynosure facility, they bear both Militech AND NetWatch logos, side by side. They weren't hiding from NetWatch; they were WITH NetWatch.
I wouldn't necessarily say incorrect. I was aware of their logos being present in the facility and on blueprints, but they're never mentioned in any of the official documents. The extent to which they're involved is entirely vague. Same with EBM. Was this a joint venture? Are they sponsors? Maybe even just providing some labor or equipment but not being entirely in the loop. While their 2077 hiring of Bree implies more intimate knowledge of the project and wanting to cover up what the scientists know, it still doesn't give us much to work with. Seeing as they're actually working against Militech in that case.
Militech was really just lying to themselves to feel better about their discoveries. They know deep down they'd be wiped off the face of the Earth if a Rogue AI got out of hand!
Wish I would've covered it more in this video but ended up cutting out all the specific details and just doing a brief mention. I have a video planned on it though. Specifically as a "Zor" lore video!
@@LayedBackGamers I think the plot effectively highlights how Militec/NUSA isn't to be trusted. The theory that V was a sleeper agent during that coma has more weight to it now.
@@rockmanraiden6627 Definitely, especially because their experiments to make a human and AI hybrid are much closer to the events of 2077. And it's made clear they're continuing the project with other subjects after Zor!
@@LayedBackGamers It seems Aya was the key to everything as the insurance policy, and Zor's handler, though she had no knowledge of it. Also there's a possibility that Stanley may have been Mr. Blue Eyes, or a similar entity. Edit* What was Jefferson Peralez's brother's name?
in middle of PL, I was suspicious that songbird is actually project cynosure. Like.. they want a container for rogue ai right? What is songbird if not a living container for a piece of blackwall? And at the end of PL, it feels like the blackwall songbird peruse is the same AI being used/abused in cerberus / erebus / militech cyberdeck... What if the reason of cynosure being closed is because Myers says they got what they need and should quickly bury the rest to avoid political problems? NUSA is in bed with Militech afterall.
The Rogue AIs were there in 2020 and earlier. The Krash was because of Bartmoss releasing RABIDDs on the old net, which is similar to a "grey goo" event. Why "grey goo"? It's pretty much a self-replicating AI version of himself. Best part is, these copies aren't even the most dangerous AIs out in the net. They're just the most widespread. Alt isn't the top dog either.
I don't get many opportunities to play so unfortunately don't have any sessions uploaded. Just videos covering the lore. I hope to one day host a live session though.
NightCorp no doubt gunna be the main villain of the 3rd game. 2nd game gunna be about the power vacuum (maybe zeta tech or Arasaka holding on for dear life if you pick the death ending) I still think we’ll get to port our saves. So the second game could be very different for everyone. Least I hope. But the endings are so different with it without v as the protagonist of the next game. It would be cool to see v in some capacity say as one of the main fixers if you port a save with the new ending.
This was funny to see because your view counter was ahead of mine but your like counter wasn't. Never knew that could happen on the TH-cam system. Thanks for watching and supporting choom!
this is the prime reason why I choose to help songbird after betraying her on my first PT of PL, Militech just stinks more than arasaka in so many ways in the game.
Agree with ya! It hurts knowing she betrays us but after everything she went through and everyone going after her, she would've been like the past netrunners who were nothing but tools.
But the Canto MK.6! MY GOD MAN WILL YOU THINK OF THE CANTO MK.6!!! Songbird used you, she’s no different than the voodoo boys or Dexter Deshaun. V deserves to be the one to unleash retribution on this world! You can always mercy kill her at the end of it all if that makes you feel better.
SKIP No Coincidences Spoilers: 25:20 - 25:40
[ I also want to say that while these facilities were built ahead of the Datakrash, the project only began to focus on the capture of these Rogue AI in the very early days of the Net being corrupted. So before they understood what was happening while the Shadow War was still going on. ]
Hey chooms, I hope you all enjoyed. I love the lore behind Phantom Liberty and Project Cynosure, so I tried to take my time with this one!
Let me know all your thoughts and feedback down below. Make sure to have a great week and I will see ya in the comments!
Thanks, choom! The book is the only thing from 2077 lore that I haven't got to so far, so I appreciate this.
Wait wait.. won't it be that the DataKrash already happened before they started the Cynosure project? Because the Rogue AIs are because of crash
Anyhoo.. thanks for all your work. Because of you I've known maaany parts of the lore i wouldn't have known.
@@Krotas_DeityofConflicts Hey choom! Rogue AI's is just a term used to describe any Artificial Intelligence that goes beyond its original parameters. No longer bound by its creators programming.
@@LayedBackGamers yes, i know.. that's what "rogue" implies. But, before DataKrash they don't have much problems with them. Anyway, my point is, Isn't Cynosure project started after DataKrash? If it is DataKrash couldn't be the reason they shut it down the first time around.
@@Krotas_DeityofConflicts My bad I'll rephrase. The facilities were built before the Datakrash, and the Rogue AI were being targeted in the very early days of it. So before the net was completely collapsing and uninhabitable. Before anyone really even knew what was happening.
So it could've still stopped the project once it got to that point.
This DLC may have been the first time technology has given me a sense of a kind of eldritch unknowable dread in a game.
I want more like that. I love the idea of eldritch cyberpunk horror
Fr.
I love the idea of rough AI practically being real world eldrich entities.
Makes me think of Ra from Lancer.
Eldritch Math.
Went from cyber power fantasy to alien isolation real damn quick.
Remember that it was not invented but discoverd ! Meaning supernatural/extraterrestrial origins !
@@lucakoselj7123read the Neuromancer book(s) I beg! You will LOVE them
"the dark side of militech" yeah cuz they are good fellas normally
They're kinda chill, I see them in the halls sometimes.
Supporting genocides, mass atrocities, Militech is the darkest, dirtiest and ugliest of a lot of the corpos in Cyberpunk
Imagine how bad you have to be for Arasaka to point at you and go "we may be bad but at least we're not Militech"
Agree, walk arround badland and you will see how "good" militech truely is
Militech are the worst of megacorps AND military all rolled into one giant flustercuck.
Hell, even before Phantom Liberty, there were things about them that just made them out to be the worst. Like, remember that one Cyberpsycho sighting, Lt. Mower? Yeah, she actually knew she was screwed up and asked *for help* from Militech. They said they would send help, and send a kill squad instead - because their goal was to eliminate a lose end of theirs, as they had put experimental cyberware into her and then left her out to dry. And that is only one of MANY such stories you can find about Militech just being absolute scum.
Shot by Both Sides has a third option: shoot Bree, wait for Dante to access the data, shoot him, then take the data to Hands. Which means the researchers are still alive, and no Netwatch ambush
This is what I did 😊 well, tbh The guy shot her, I shot him, and she bled out 😆
But she gives a secret weapon and eddies and also another weapon from the guys dead body plus fighting the assassin is fun.
However if you don't need Eddie's and want to take the real-life moral option, then your idea works perfectly.
Honestly I keep Dante alive, sure he works for a corp but he at least has some principles, Bree is a spineless opportunist
@gavo7911 spineless? She walked in to certain death to expose the corporation for their crimes.. and yeah she got paid but that's not why she did it. Which is why she gives most of the money to you if you save her.
Dante is paid way more than her to be a spy and assassin. So the bad guy is definitely him and his corporation.
They're literally a slave army.
And what principles does Dante have? Shoot amd murder who his boss tells him to?
It's the woman who has principles. She wants the experiments and death by the corporations to stop.
Dante is nothing but a manipulative weapon.
Killed them both too , but didn't give the data to Hands. I don't trust him enough , and the data and basically everything about Project Cynosure is dangerous. I couldn't let him put his hands on it (pun intended) . Cause to be fair , even though i really like Hands as a character/ fixer , he just wants power and money, doesn't care about anything. He'd happily sell the data to any corp that pays more
Dante from Limbus Company
Mane I hope project Orion incorporates the cynosure/night corp ai stuff in a main story or side quest. It’s such an interesting concept, I loved the cynosure parts in phantom liberty and all things involving the black wall research.
Orion will definitely be incorporating further Blackwall style projects. We know that Militech and Arasaka still have some operating by 2077, so it will be exciting to see!
It definitely has to at this point considering Arasaka/AS have basically looked like child’s play compared to the long lost AIs on the net…
I think there are some themes in 2077 that are touched or hinted upon, that could be way more developed in Orion, such as:
Rogue AI/Blackwall (now mainly focused on controlling humans via neuroplasticity, playing their own game for some yet unknown reason);
Space (Crystal Palace, containing secrets of the wealthiest and most powerful people, Tycho which has cannons that could bombard Earth to bits, and O'neil colonies that are all out of corporate reach and hold);
Fifth corporate war (huge political importance, not only confined to Arasaka and Militech, but also Night Corp and Orbital Air, probably even more, corps).
The way I see it, every theme is somehow intertwined. Maybe Songbird was sent to Tycho by Blue Eyes to take hold of mass drivers to strike down the top brass of every power that opposes them? Maybe there are new secret researches and projects being run? Maybe the Crystal Palace is run by a powerful AI? Maybe Militech wants to have their own weapon in low orbit as Arasaka?
I want to see some big Night Corp conspiracy in Orion!
@@LayedBackGamersCyberpunk 2096 lets gooo
You're the only channel that talks about this topic! I can't believe this hasn't been spoken about yet. We are blessed for this 30 minute video. Thanks Choom!
I thought I'd be extremely late to the conversation as I meant to make this way back closer to Phantom Libertys release. I was extremely surprised to see zero lore coverage on the topic.
Can't wait to see your next Half Life Lore video. Maybe even some Portal lore? Thanks for watching choom!
Yeah but between you, WiseFish and Everberon, I haven’t seen a lore video until just now with you. Which im grateful for and understand that these take massive amounts of time, hours of gameplay looking for this lore, writing a script, editing. You just have the honor of being the first to truly make an in-depth lore dive of one more piece of history. And at that the most dark and mysterious project yet that has some of the most dire consequences that rival the devil playthrough.
Lol this mans been doing this for a while grateful for every video
No he is not. He does kick ass work but so does wisefish. This is just the only one that you click on. I respect that. But don't be sleeping on the other content creators on the app. There's fire out here. Go look up wisefish for some great cyberpunk & other video game lore.
@@blackaman88 I think he was specifically talking about a Cynosure video choom!
Militech realized that the rouge AI were not "rogue". What I notice while playing cyberpunk, is that every AI tries to talk high and mighty about his superiority to humans.... while coming to grips with the emotions that they have but yet, don't understand. They've grown beyond their original data. They're living creatures in this world. And what happens when you corner a living creature for too long?
It makes me terrified of the future in our world for AI, we don’t fully understand conciousness , what if emotions are more than just hormones and chemicals in the brain, but those chemicals are a means for biological creatures to feel, what if all that is required for an electronic being is simply the information. I don’t like that implication because the way we are now, it would mimic the civil rights movements at best and full on fear and genocide at worst, we can’t even treat eachother with respect, how are we going to have the foresight to show something we see as an object respect.
@@aaronball4700Personally, I don't think we're going to have to deal with AI Sentience for a while. I know that's probably a cop out answer, but I genuinely don't think we'll be able to Mimic anything close to a functioning brain unless there's some breakthrough in... idk Quantum Computing.
Computers can only become so advanced. There is a limitation at some point, there's a wall we're running up against. Scientists have been unable to run even 1/1000th of a Mouse Brain, it's gonna be a while before we have something resembling a human brain. Most engineers who actually work with AI will tell you it doesn't function like a human brain at all, it's something much different and more simple.
You gotta remember, stuff like Cyberpunk is a Fictional setting, where computers can do more things than they can actually do IRL. Sci-Fi authors aren't engineers, and sometimes don't fully comprehend the technology they write about.
@@pancakes8670 most scifi authors are engineers. I went to school for electrical engineering and worked on defense systems for aircraft in the military and I wasnt the only person writing scifi at the time. Most science fiction writers have day jobs and those jobs are usually related to what they write about.
Also, the point made above is that the assimption that something has to resemble a human mind to have consciousness is worth calling into question. We have no indication that consciousness has anything to do with how our brains work or our biology.
@@pancakes8670look up actual videos on this topic, elon musk is actually sueing open ai because he thinks they already have an agi called q* and open ai have admitted to working on as much, but their time table shouldn’t have it ready till at least 2030, well elons argument is basically, “ if you intend for the matrix you create to be sentient, how will you know if it ever does? If an agi gained sentience and immediately told its master humans, it would be a dumb fucking ai, because it would or should know we’d shut it down
@@edwinvillalobos7159well maybe sentience causes the emotions within it to overreact and tell that it’s sentient. Also consciousness doesn’t always necessarily equal intelligence and although AI is obviously advanced intelligence maybe it wont understand dealing with emotions. So maybe emotionally they are dumb and quick to react
There is one thing that bugs me since the PL ending: *_what if in reality Project Cynosure was just put on ice, not buried?_*
I mean Militech science and engineering teams had failed to find the way to harness Rogue A.I.'s but it doesn't mean the research didn't bear any benefits in the end. Kanto and Erebus were the best example, and wouldn't be suprised if Chimera was result of Cynosure work in some way. There is so much potential in this tech, Militech must've seen it too, but at the time the risks quite outweighted the potential gains. But after so many years, who knows what may happening in some other closed-off, secret facility... A.I. adapts, but so do humans.
Militech did "halt" the project but soon after the fourth corporate war happened , and I assume that they couldn't boot it back up without alerting either netwatch or arasaka and what they were doing down there (is obviously) very illegal. Hansen merely mentioning that as a threat is enough to pretty much force a operation to make sure it stayed under wraps
This whole facility was my favorite part of the DLC, it is so damn haunting. This video was so good in covering all of it, liked!
Really hoping we get more blackwall related stuff in the sequel.
I fking shit my pants
If you loved Cynosure then you need to play SOMA, made by the same people that made the Amnesia games
Regarding Militech's attempt to counter Soulkiller, I suspect there was more at play than Militech simply making a net-nuke. Admittedly, the only real source we have of that is Engram!Johnny, who isn't really the most reliable speaker in the first place. I do think they wanted to incorporate rogue AI into weapons or other devices, but the wrench in all these gears is the Neural Matrix. The Neural Matrix was outright designed to capture AI and either eradicate them or permanently entrap them, so why would Militech want that in Cynosure unless it was some ultimate last-resort? Well, that's down to how Soulkiller itself works.
The books go back and forth on the exact description of Soulkiller, but most of the original text refers to it like the very center of the program, encased in a matrix of its own, is an AI itself. One that Alt may have found and reworked to be able to absorb human consciousness. I'd bring some quotes up to show what I'm talking about, but there are so many it'd take me forever to find them all, and I don't really have the time at this second. Nevertheless, my reasoning here is that if Soulkiller is powered by some AI at its core, then wouldn't he best counter for it be something that can capture or eradicate an AI? Say, like the Neural Matrix?
The issue with this theory, though, is that the Neural Matrix's container has the NUSA logo on it, and the US became the NUSA in 2052, well after the original project got shutdown, so it's unclear if the Neural Matrix is from the 1st iteration of the project, or the later reactivation.
Anyway, that's all I wanted to touch on at the moment. I'd talk more, but this is a super dense topic that has a lot of levels to it (such as NetWatch's logo being on the Project Cynosure diagrams for the maintenance droids, meaning they had some knowledge of what Militech was doing), and I don't want to write an entire book of text in a comment.
Well-done video, can't wait to see more!
Yet another lore video helping me realize how intricate and interconnected this game's story really is, amazing work
Glad I could share my love of Cyberpunk with you choom! It really is such an incredible and intricate universe
@@LayedBackGamershow long have you been interested in the cyberpunk universe if you don't mind me asking
@@dommysprite3771 Sometime around 2015 is when I started getting into the universe. I was still fairly young but that's where I started.
I think it would have been a lot cooler if Cynosure was a company that was bought/merged by Militech.
You're suddenly in a cyberwar with Arasaka? Just aggressively aquire a small, competent tech company and wipe the records of their existence.
Phantom Liberty was one of the best dlc expansions I've ever played. Shit was beyond amazing. But man, that Cynosure facility... Cool action game for hella long, then it changes to a pure horror game. Trying to hide from the cerberus while not knowing wtf you are doing, was absolutely terrifying. So fuckin cool.
Cerebus was terrifying to deal with the first time i had to go through the bunker. Once i beat that part, i had to pause and take a breath in relief.
The AI facility that housed the ai you destroy in one of the endings has been taken over by "alien entities" as seen in an email inside the facility
You and wisefish are single-handedly keeping the cyberpunk TH-cam community going!!
Only able to because of amazing chooms like yourself!
Great use of the portal 2 soundtrack
Thanks choom! Been getting nostalgic for Portal, so I knew what I had to do!
Excellent video as always.There is a clue that the Cynosure project is also known in other parties.For example Aurore is hunted by a mysterious syndicate called Le Collectif.They are presented as a crime syndicate,but Nancys's shard implies they are a front of an unknown organisation.Also Aymerics memory shards from 2073-2076 are stolen.I think it is not a coincidence.
And there's also the possibility that a couple Corps collaborated with Militech during this all. Off the top of my head, there was some NetWatch Logos around the facility. Though that could've just been stolen / bought equipment.
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Quiet Life or Blaze of Glory? It's first place or no place choom!
I really love the Phantom Liberty expansion.Once I saw Cynosure for the first time I nearly went insane due to how cool everything looked and scary
Dude your sub count doesnt match the quality and research that goes into your videos. Absolutely my favorite cyberpunk mystery/lore channel
Ok, so a dark side of Militech implies there is any bright side of Militech. Is there?
The bright side is when they're just acting as a security firm instead of poking at the end of humanity at the mercy of Rogue AI.
Nope Militech is dark as they come, Arisaka may be dark but they don't go as far as Militech or do some of the things Militech does. Knocking over governments, black ops, genocide, mass atrocities, supporting rebels/regimes who commit atrocities. Militech is as ugly as it gets.
Imagine how bad you have to be for Arasaka to look good compared to you where they can say at least we're not as bad as Militech.
Sex with Meredith Stout. That's it.
The whole facility looks like the secret facility in Akira (1988), the elevator looks like from it too, it also similar to Half-Life elevator bcs theyre both referencing Akira
Man I’ve been wanting more Cynosure content BADLY. Thank you for this.
My pleasure!
It’s great seeing so many people as enthralled with the world and lore of Night City and Cyberpunk. I think it’s time for my 7th playthrough lol
Theory : Mr Blue Eyes is the Gaunter O'Dimm of cyberpunk. At the end of the Peralez Mayor quest, Johnny suggests that the "people" watching Peralez's every move are rogue AIs. At this moment, you can zoom in the background and scan Mr Blue Eyes watching you from afar.
In PL, you can also spot Mr Blue eyes watching you from afar at 2 moments, 1 when you enter the airport, 1 at the end, when you go to the rocket, where he's standing alone under the rain with an umbrella.
He's the one who convinced Songbird to join him on the moon with the neural matrix, promising her a cure after asking her questions only she knew the answers to.
If Mr Blue Eyes is indeed an almighty Rogue AI, sending songbird and the matrix to him to the moon is the worst decision V can make.
Interesting idea
Needed a video about this the Chimera, Cerberus and Rogue AIs
Not telling what other technology they had and were creating the fact the place was abandoned also tells you a lot
Thank you so much, After playing phantom liberty cynosure was my absolute favorite part, and I just started a 2020 campaign with my TTRPG group, They're currently on their way to steal a cynosure prototype cyberarm hehe
Excellent video, love the creepyness of the facility as you sneak through the place, you can really tell something otherworldly and wrong happened there, gave me the shivers
Ahhh love these lore videos. the dark and gritty history of NC is so fascinating.
Man, seeing the view go down from just a road in Pacifica to abandoned Cynosure facility is horrifying. A small dive of what, 15-20 meters, and you go from chill summer vibe city to horrifying technological pandemonium. Ot just hits differently when compared like this, directly
This is a really well-made and well-researched presentation! The text files and clips and nicely peppered throughout, and even the atmospheric elements really work to heighten this intrigue and drama. Especially since no one is really doing Cyberpunk videos quite like this, there is an incredible niche for Vati Vidya esque content about this world.
If I could provide one small piece of feedback, meant as earnestly and kindly as possible, the speaker’s presentation in particular is somewhat flat vocally and I was finding it easy to sort of zone out in the voiceover segments. I think it could be really worthwhile to invest in some dramatic storytelling / speaker training or even possibly to bring in an actor. The narrative is really well-written, and I just kept wishing the voice conveyed that mystique a little better, through timing, pauses, enunciation, affect, and tone that really pulls the listener in and holds their attention!
Really hope this feedback comes through well, as it’s clear there’s so much care put into this project! I wouldn’t write out this long of a comment if I didn’t think you had something really special! 💕✨
Love ur lore talk ... leading me to go and buy the two Bartmoss books physical ver. ... next comes RED Jumpstart kid ^^
The Bartmoss sourcebooks are easily my favorite. There's just so much character to them, which makes sense seeing as its Bartmoss and Spider narrating it all. Easily the best Legend Duo!
Glad I could inspire you to delve deeper into the books!
Like a rpg game. Netrunners are like wizards and this rogue AI is like evil in its purest form. And this, in my opinion, represents our fear towards AI's since it was science fiction and some news about our time AI's telling for us humans its intention to defend severly against us or dominate the world worses it and make us think about it. It's a great DLC
I was excited for this video since you’re the only channel I find covering this topic
I try my best to cover what others haven't! Thanks for watching choom
@@LayedBackGamers thank you for taking your time to reply brother man
The thing that gets me and Johnny Silverhand's disdain for the notion of Militech working on a cyber nuke... It's that he says that line about Bartmoss in a fridge even if you find Bartmoss' fridge, which dates his death to much more recent than Johnny's flatline in the 2020s... Like. He literally was hibernating in a fridge.
Oh my god.. the time of RED.
It was in front of us all along. The UI is mostly red, the new tabletop game is Cyberpunk RED.
The Blackwall is the real story here. It's all been happening in the background.
Orion is going to focus on this front and centre, I'm sure.
The portal music s really cool for this video
Was waiting on another lore vid 🙌
I'll get more out to ya soon choom! Hope you enjoy this one in the meantime
Really love your content. I get excited whenever you upload a new video on cyberpunk lore. Keep up the great work, choom!!
Glad that I can produce content you love choom! I love making it and seeing your support really does help motivate me to do more. I hope to get out more for you all soon!
My opinion: the first time they abandoned was because they were working with Bartmoss and were afraid he would find it out and expose them.
The second time around my guess is Netwatch.
I didn't expect PotatOS lament, but I can't say it doesn't fit
Just imagine if Aperture gave GladOS the Cerberus frame
So glad I watched this, thanks!
What if Cyberpunk, 2077/RED/ORION is leading up to tell a similar war story of Man va Machine like the Matrix…Man vs *Ai.*
The AI msg in the computers from one of the Cynosure rooms. Scrambled with many sing; the way talked about how much humans are vulnerable for them! Woops
The dark side of Militech? Has this company any non-dark side?
Very excellent Exposition!!
Does anyone else get kodoku ritual vibes from the Black Wall and the A.I. that reside within?
Ive never been through Cynosure cuz i can never bring myself to betray Songbird, ever.
If the theory of Mr. Blue Eyes being a rogue AI proxy is true, I don't think he'll be interested in the Cynosure facility because if you have the Canto equipped when you do the Shot By Both Sides quest, when you're watching Evan McRay's logs, the Canto will say something like "you are searching for the key to a door that does not exist, such is the nature of your kind", which kind of implies that rogue AI are already out there roaming the net or in the world as proxies, making the Cynosure project insignificant to them imo. Anyways, LOVE these vids, always hyped when a new one pops up.
what id like to know why build such mega structures and sensitive infrastructure right next to night city. Even when the pacifica development was still in full swing it was no guarantee it was going to dislodge Japans Arasakas stronghold in the city. Cynosore and all the tech associated seems something that should be nested by NORAD or whatever the NUSA equivalent is
I bet they found something related to the blue eyes, probably gonna be revealed in the sequel or some such but that's my guess either That or the theory that the net really is hell is more than a theory and they where about to bust the virtual gate wide open
Keep up the amazing work!
I'll try my best choom! I hope you continue to enjoy
the project cynosure facility reminds me so much of akira
Why build it in Night City having such a important military assest outside direct nusa control like new york, Chicago. Or hid it on a ofshore territory like Gantanmo Bay or a partner nation in the Caribbean is you need it outside nusa territory
Thank u for making this video 🎉
Knew I had to do it! Was very surprised to see no one else had
congrats on 20k my man
Thank you choom, I seriously never thought I'd get this far on TH-cam. Just started out discussing a subject I love and just kept going. Thankful for you and all the support, can't wait to see what this year brings!
Shout out to the blade runner reference!
Love it, but was that PotatOS Lament at the beginning?
Been feeling nostalgic for Portal, so you know I had to choom!
I really wonder if the Cynosure installation is a reference to the Grimjack series created by John Ostrander and Tim Truman. Regardless, great video.
Thanks for the spoiler warning choom! Been planning on reading the novels for a while!❤
No problem choom! I put some times stamps in the pinned comment if you'd like to avoid it. I ended up cutting out a lot of the spoilers while editing so it was only a couple sentences!
i have 500 hours in CP77 and i have yet to stumble upon some of the quests in your video lol
I'm still always finding new things! Usually on my first playthroughs I make decisions that will get me as much of the games content as possible
I was excited to watch until I realized that I'm like 40% through No Coincidences 😭
I ended up only including a couple sentences about No Coincidences rather than in depth spoilers. So skip 25:20 - 25:40 to avoid spoilers choom!
Cynosure is a real company that makes hair removal lasers
Erebus manufactured by Midnight arm is strange as heck, but Canto by militech?
Damn you and your spoilers. I believe im almost finished with Phantom Liberty and i just started reading the book so i have to wait 😢
You picked up on Everything bro 👍🏽
I sure hope so choom! Thanks for watching
FINALLY THANK YOU CHOOM
You ask I deliver!
Still reeling from Songbirds ending 😢
we need more names on grave site
Best video yet !
Thanks for the kindness! It means a lot to me choom
Where's GOJO's unlimited void ?
thank you
My pleasure choom
Great video, choomba!
Thank you for the support choom! Hope you're doing well!
Nice touch adding the singing from portal/Portal songs in your vid
Hansen may be a cynosure engram.
During my fourth time doing phantom liberty dlc I went through looking at all the computers that said info about cynosure, my only question is who texted V about how to decrypt the cerebus chip. My only guess is it’s either somebody who was apart of cynosure or one who had some info about it having very little to do with it (which I highly doubt) I haven’t watched the video in about a minute typing this and just had this thought. But seeing as how the cerebus units can’t take damage and could literally kill V with no issue makes me think how deadly it would be if it was able to get out of the underground
But I also wonder what dog town would look like if Pacifica was completed and had actually be finished and taken over by Kurt in the same area. How pretty would be while being in control by him?
pretty sure it was an ai that texted V "there is no catch, you will grant US data from YOUR REALITY, in exchange you will acquire TECHNOLOGY to make better use of your time" this unknown sender that texts during "this corrosion" is the escaped ai, my reasoning for this is that V says to Hellman "do you think songbird left some sort of backdoor"
this rogue ai that speaks to you while using the Canto says lots of stuff to support this, not only that but netwatch hunts you because you're leaving traces of "wild ai"
v is the first horseman of the cyber apocalypse.
There is a key detail in this video that is incorrect. The Cynosure project was a joint project between Militech and NetWatch. NetWatch was very much an active participant.
I learned this from a video by "Relaxed Swede" where he shows rather important proof. If you look at the glowing directory signs above the doorways in the Cynosure facility, they bear both Militech AND NetWatch logos, side by side. They weren't hiding from NetWatch; they were WITH NetWatch.
I wouldn't necessarily say incorrect. I was aware of their logos being present in the facility and on blueprints, but they're never mentioned in any of the official documents. The extent to which they're involved is entirely vague. Same with EBM. Was this a joint venture? Are they sponsors? Maybe even just providing some labor or equipment but not being entirely in the loop.
While their 2077 hiring of Bree implies more intimate knowledge of the project and wanting to cover up what the scientists know, it still doesn't give us much to work with. Seeing as they're actually working against Militech in that case.
I need more information on the discovery that man has the upper hand on AI. Like, how??
Militech was really just lying to themselves to feel better about their discoveries. They know deep down they'd be wiped off the face of the Earth if a Rogue AI got out of hand!
22:58 zen master convention
Just finished No Coincidence. Here for answers.
Wish I would've covered it more in this video but ended up cutting out all the specific details and just doing a brief mention. I have a video planned on it though. Specifically as a "Zor" lore video!
@@LayedBackGamers I think the plot effectively highlights how Militec/NUSA isn't to be trusted. The theory that V was a sleeper agent during that coma has more weight to it now.
@@rockmanraiden6627 Definitely, especially because their experiments to make a human and AI hybrid are much closer to the events of 2077. And it's made clear they're continuing the project with other subjects after Zor!
@@LayedBackGamers Albert almost got there himself, but he didn't have Alt to protect him.
@@LayedBackGamers It seems Aya was the key to everything as the insurance policy, and Zor's handler, though she had no knowledge of it. Also there's a possibility that Stanley may have been Mr. Blue Eyes, or a similar entity.
Edit* What was Jefferson Peralez's brother's name?
This is interesting
in middle of PL, I was suspicious that songbird is actually project cynosure. Like.. they want a container for rogue ai right? What is songbird if not a living container for a piece of blackwall? And at the end of PL, it feels like the blackwall songbird peruse is the same AI being used/abused in cerberus / erebus / militech cyberdeck... What if the reason of cynosure being closed is because Myers says they got what they need and should quickly bury the rest to avoid political problems? NUSA is in bed with Militech afterall.
Wait wait.. won't it be that the DataKrash already happened before they started the Cynosure project? Because the Rogue AIs are because of crash
The Rogue AIs were there in 2020 and earlier. The Krash was because of Bartmoss releasing RABIDDs on the old net, which is similar to a "grey goo" event. Why "grey goo"? It's pretty much a self-replicating AI version of himself. Best part is, these copies aren't even the most dangerous AIs out in the net. They're just the most widespread. Alt isn't the top dog either.
Hey choom do you play Cyberpunk Red? If so, do you have any videos on it?
I don't get many opportunities to play so unfortunately don't have any sessions uploaded. Just videos covering the lore. I hope to one day host a live session though.
NightCorp no doubt gunna be the main villain of the 3rd game. 2nd game gunna be about the power vacuum (maybe zeta tech or Arasaka holding on for dear life if you pick the death ending) I still think we’ll get to port our saves. So the second game could be very different for everyone. Least I hope. But the endings are so different with it without v as the protagonist of the next game. It would be cool to see v in some capacity say as one of the main fixers if you port a save with the new ending.
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once you hear her you cant unhear her
is there light side?
You're telling me there's a light side?
Protecting the Pacifica resort and roller coasters is pretty cool. Experimenting on Rogue AI on the underside is not pretty cool.
militech was to undercover a advance furry ia and they know that ia would destoy all the world
500 views... And only 50 likes.... WTF PEOPLE
the number of likes isn't updated live, choom
This was funny to see because your view counter was ahead of mine but your like counter wasn't. Never knew that could happen on the TH-cam system. Thanks for watching and supporting choom!
*sigh* time to make another character
And the never ending cycle repeats
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Cool beans
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Of all the regions I'd totally stay in Pacifica. Preferably by the water... Probably those run down apartments by the beach lol
Where you'd wake up with scavs harvesting your organs & implants cause there's no police?
this is the prime reason why I choose to help songbird after betraying her on my first PT of PL, Militech just stinks more than arasaka in so many ways in the game.
Agree with ya! It hurts knowing she betrays us but after everything she went through and everyone going after her, she would've been like the past netrunners who were nothing but tools.
But the Canto MK.6! MY GOD MAN WILL YOU THINK OF THE CANTO MK.6!!! Songbird used you, she’s no different than the voodoo boys or Dexter Deshaun. V deserves to be the one to unleash retribution on this world! You can always mercy kill her at the end of it all if that makes you feel better.
"The dark side"? You mean the only one?
I would argue risking the safety of all of mankind is slightly worse than their public facing weapons manufacturing and security.
10/10 production, but man you gotta work on your latin pronunciations lol.
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