After hearing his legend, do you think Silverhand is a hero? Let me know all your thoughts down below and I hope you all enjoyed. I will be moving into a few other IPs in my upcoming videos. So hope to see you all there and have a great week chooms!
Silverhand was a terrorist, whether he wanted to be or not. And it’s not because he bombed a tower or whatever. It’s because he straddled the line between freedom fighter and a psychotic murderer - by blending those two parts of himself, he saw vindication for his actions, while others (besides the fans of his music) just saw a terrorist. That being said, if someone did to my wife, Panam Palmer, what was done to Alt, yyyeah I’d want to destroy them too and by any means possible, collateral damage be damned.
Johnny is a shitty older brother who Resents the way he treated the people around him, but dies before saying sorry or fixing anything. Given a second chance he takes the opportunity to influence V in a way that can guide them towards a fulfilling purpose in the world of Cyberpunk. All G wanted was to be a legend, Johnny gives them the keys to that life.
Hell yeah well it's like in real life you meet someone (in this case forcefully) what do you tell first? Usually the epic stories of how you felt like youre a badass then you start to open up and tell the tragedies and how things weren't always as epic...see I was stoked to see Silverhand even if he's a corrupt copy cause well I've been playing this a long time and when they said hes gonna be Keanus I was stoked so I always made friends with Silverhand! This being said yeah his loses are nuts so is Vs is like damn no one catches a break. I like to choose the nomad life path as I feel it close like you feel a closer bond to Silverhand...that's just my opinion but seeing all I can't fuckin wait for Orion it's gonna be nuts!!!
Hey layedback did you look up cyberpunk project Orion recently they're doing a gdc conference meet and ask questions in San Francisco! Sadly I can't go but you definitely should that's in your direction lol
It's really a shame we didn't get more expansions and we likely won't be seeing him in Orion. But who knows, maybe a project outside of video games will give us more Silverhand!
I always love how Johnny respects V's ability to choose for themselves. If they want V to do something, they give their own opinion whenever possible but if V decides to choose to do the opposite or something Johnny doesn't like, the worst he does is berate V for their choice. Despite the fact that if he wanted to he can take control of V but he only ever does it to save V themselves or asking for permission to do so beforehand. Just goes to show how much he values freedom and the human capacity to choose. Rock on you rebel legend.
Johnny would be a massive hypocrite if he took control of V's body. For a guy against authoritarianism, it'd be quite authoritarian for him to hijack V's body.
I think the Engram Johnny is like “The Hand” was for Johnny but instead for V, everything bad that V does they blame on Johnny; Johnny did the same for “The Hand”. Johnny’s appearance is also identical to what he wore in Never Fade Away as seen in Red; I think that’s why the Never Fade Away in 2077 is the clearest memory even considering the obvious changes, probably because before his death he swore he wouldn’t make the same mistake as he did in 2013 again.
Aye!!!! Good shit choom! As well that was his fondest as well as worst memory! Im waiting for Orion seeing how I think if you choose the nomad life path you may get a deeper connection with Johnny. Idk I'm playing a new play through seeing I had 2 updates and a shit load of memory used so we shall see choom! But I do like the keen eye to detail I know some people on here think I rant so try not to do it as much but A1! They're supposed to be coming out with blackhand material here soon so can't wait as well as edgerunners! Cyberpunk does not disappoint lol
Is it possible that part of Johnny's inaccurate memories are due to the relic losing integrity during the heist. Before Jackie slots the relic he states that it's integrity was at 86% and dropping. Something I think about with each playthrough but I never see it mentioned.
Another thing to add is how songbird mentions there is corrupted data in the relic. It is also a theory of mine that the clearing of that data gave v a few extra days if not a bit longer
@tylerrussell9926 That's a good thought. The corruption could also just be from the data being altered and copied, and altered again and again while under the "care" of Arasaka. Or it could be the result of Yorinobu hastily putting the engram on the Relic while trying to keep it secret.
One very strange thing about the relic is that it appears to be extremely volatile in the Cyberpunk 2077 V and Jackie relic heist. But that same relic existed in the radioactive ridden ruins of the destroyed Arasaka tower inside Johnny's remains for some time before Samantha arrives to collect Johnny and his belongings. So not only did it survive a nuclear warhead detonation but also the extreme conditions that came after but for some reason has to be kept in a high controlled environment to survive the 2077 events.
@@TheControlsterThing is the relic we see in 2077 is an experimental prototype meant to stay ‘in house’ for Saburo’s use, so it didn’t exist when the first Arasaka tower fell. The relic we see is meant to inject the data on it into a dead corpse so whatever engram is on it can take it over, the shard spider used was completely different as it only soulkilled Johnny and kept his engramatic data. So, basically, two entirely different shards.
That whole Angel/Alt story is so interesting to me. I'd lose it if we meet Angel in Orion (since they didn't put her or any references to her in 2077). I don't know how much source material there is on Alt, but I'd love a lore video on her!
The angel alt story let's you know pretty much that the current version we see of alt is corrupted and the last thing spidermurphys mission was to restore all parts of alt....as well as Bartmoss has his rabbids as well...restore them to their original forms as well as bring the soul killer engram aka Silverhand to his frozen body (source to original host) could be Vs only chance of actual survival....
@@JohnnySilverwrench I personally don't think V can survive as far as 2077 canon goes. Johnny could definitely be disentangled to be transferred to his frozen body, but (according to Alt's AI version, which granted could have its own reasons to lie to us) V's engram would be attacked by V's body because of how far along the Soulkiller process was by the time we attempted the transfer. Still, the Angel part of Alt's story is def worth a video imo.
@@SofaKingWashed the possibilities are endless with game the reason why I believe the host to original source ending is if you remember in the late 80s early 90s Keanu played in a similar roll called Johnny necromancer definitely worth watching to understand the concept I speak of! Lol and yes the whole blackdog story I find very intriguing so many gaps and unanswered questions 🤘
Johnny thinks he's the main character of Night City and he really wants you to think it, too. I feel like 2077 lays out pretty clearly that Alt is the main character of the main plotline of Cyberpunk and Johnny is a clingy ex who doesn't know when to let go. Never Fade Away 2013, Firestorm and 2077 are all a straight line from Alt inventing Soulkiller to Alt destroying Mikoshi.
I love your theory at the end. Brought a tear to my eye, thinking that, at least in one iteration, maybe Johnny and Angel actually could have had a happy ending
hey, man, I enjoyed the video when I play cyberpunk I always play with the intention that Johnny isn't such a good person he has good intentions to begin with but the more I dive into his intentions the more I realise that he will do anything to execute those intentions.the beginning of the game I can't really trust them and all I know is you won't revenge doesn't give a shit about saving V life.is only by talking and doing their optional side quest to actually get to know Johnny that I get to see the humanitarian in him he actually has feelings and emotions .I still do think he manipulates the player by giving every good option the chance to break into arasaka .ultimately still getting what he wants in the end
Yeah definitely agreed choom! When I originally played, I was VERY skeptical of Johnny the majority of the game. I actually think his empathetic side came a little too late into the story. But nonetheless, while some of his goals are admirable, unless you have a 100% friendship he will always attempt to guilt you into targeting Arasaka and saving him rather than prioritizing yourself.
@LayedBackGamers,yeah, I definitely got to agree. I wish CD projekt Red showed them more empathy epic side to Johnny, earlier in the game.if you mean that your choice Johnny would agree with you more compared to if you made a bad choice what does agree and try everything . I just wish there was no main consequences for the decisions you made in game. I know dlc what's better with that.and I would like that decision making to carry over to the second game for dlc
Lol I always have good time with Silverhand lmfao but that's the point I think cdpr tried to make is that if you don't know the back story of these characters from the ttrpgs and numerous interviews etc that then you won't really know. Yeah it's fun to play without knowing but epic with knowing. Johnny pondsmith made into a really damn deep character and can't wait for them to put blackhand in future instalments. I'm really rooting for Orion hope it's doesn't take forever to make. I heard there gonna switch to unreal? Idk if that true or not ....
Bug? You are not playing as Silverhand until the end of the game, remember this is V reliving Johnny's memories. Is it also a bug that depending on how V talks to Alt it affects conversations between Johnny and Alt?
Loved this video. Fantastic. Resolves most plotoles and offers to look at inconsistencies. I watched the whole thing. I gotta say, I'm sorry for leaving so many comments. I'm usually am in the comments complaining about the 2020-2077 inconsistencies waaaay too often. Gotta ask, would you be willing to possibly look into and maybe do a very short video on Silverhand's music and album career? For example, Silverhand's debut solo album A Cool Metal Fire has been essentially wiped off the wiki after 2077's release, and a bunch of songs from that album have kind of made their way onto other albums. You can only really find the track listing in one of the old sourcebooks now. A cool Metal Fire marked the debut of "Chippin In," and "Never Fade Away", which now isn't possible since "Chippin In" is now a Samurai album, and Never Fade Away is now Silverhand's possibly debut album that was released in 2009, and includes the track "Never Fade Away". I bring this up because a lot of this super niche album info is completely unknown, and inconsistencies only become known if you have a sourcebook and you compare it to the game. It also makes you wonder if the duplicate songs are retconned, re-releases, re-recorded, or reintrepretations. So there would be 3 Chippin In's, one Samurai, one solo, and one by Kerry, and 2 Never Fade Away's. One released in 2009, and one released in 2013. Makes you wonder which one was about Alt, and which one was the "Sixteen and sixteen hundred" version.
Johnny Silverhand is a character I relate to in real life. Not because of his actions or not. As a metalhead myself, and seeing his hate for corporate powers and being a damaged individual himself because LiFe... I feel his pain. So, he is my favorite character ever honestly, along side Panam Palmer of course ❤
I love how printing money to subsidize something is what caused the biggest collapse in the cyberpunk universe and its literally what the us gov did in the 2020
It’s insane how many Americans don’t know that between 20 and 80% (depending on which source you check. Claims are all over the place) of all US dollars in circulation were printed since 2020. It’s constantly pushed in the background that you could easily live on $15/hr 5 years ago in most cities and now you can barely make it above poverty on $20/hr
I personally view Johnny as the seed and the central pillar from which all other elements of the setting are built upon. The 2020 RPG (Knowingly or not) is Johnny Silverhand's decade long revenge scheme against Arasaka for killing his input.
I always felt like the differences in Johnny's memories were just hallucinations. With an Engram trapped in a reality of its own making, it's divorced from actual reality. One's own internal model is kept in check by constant updates from experience through sensory devices, and memory is much in the same way. How many times have you remembered something, only to be reminded by someone else who was also there that things did not exactly happen that way? Memory is a very strange and very malleable thing. And with Johnny's obvious personality flaws and mental issues, it's no surprise that his hallucinations turned out to be what they are.
This was actually an interesting fact to know that the malorian is actually a cyberlink weapon made specifically for johnnies cyberarm, I did not know about it. I wish we could apply it somehow in the game, although pre 2.0 malorian was also very op, being able to also penetrate and richoshate
Can’t wait for the new Cyber game with all the new game technology out now. Been playing The Finals a lot lately. If we could get the destruction and graphics of the finals in a new Cyberpunk game…. I’d just die.
You'll definitely be seeing it once the Edgerunnsrs mission kit for Cyberpunk Red releases! That will have a lot of new info on the entire Maine crew so there's a chance to do a video on the entire crew in one!
Hell yeah choom love the video! Great actual back story of the Rockerboy Silverhand and holy shit didn't realize how many new chooms subscribed to your channel! Cool shit keep it up! 🤘
Man I wish CD Projekt Red would commission all six Samurai albums from the band that did the Samurai songs in the base game. How fucking cool would it be to actually have their entire discography exist in real life?
It took a long time to understand Johnny, but now I know why he calls Kerry a P-word. He was a high functioning cyberpsycho but good intentions, poor execution
No, cause Jackie was bleeding out, which is something the chip wouldn't be able to fix. The chip kept V alive cause it basically rewired his brain and repaired the neurons after he got shot in the head.
@@antthomas7916 The Chip would have Fixed it... Cause of V gets shot in the head... that does mean we bleed or Dex kinda angled that shot so badly we didnt actually die from it in reality. Remember what Vektor Vic says? low kaliber. Now that is interesting infomation we get. So it is either Vs skull kinda bounced the shot. That can happend with a 45caliber round. If you angle the shot the skull can bounce it. Or V did get shot in the head and missing brain pierces... but that does not really make sense... cause we are kinda running and what not around... I do not belive the chip can do that. So my therory on this. The chip did not fix us. Dex angled the shot so badly and we survived. Because logically speaking here. The Chip takes over slowly. But it also damages our brain... So that does mean our brain from dexes shot did not get damaged. Just a light headache. Also it does not make sense that this chip can revive you from death and repair our brain with nanites. So we still have full body function we can talk and fight and what not.. I do not think that is possible to repair tbh. Since the brain is far to complex. What does make sense however is that the chip only stores a person and that person is now trying to take over. That I can kinda see happending but lets be real its a bit of a far stretch. So logically speaking i do not think the chip did anything but upload so to say Jhonnys personality. Also Anders Helmann never ever mentions that we got shot in the head or had brain damage from the bullet wound. Wich is quite interesting so to say.
Grayson recounts what smasher told him when you reach him on the Ebunike. They bring Johnnys body to Saburo to interrogate, scorch him with Soulkiller and take his body out to the oil fields to bury. I'd think that this would be closest to what actually happened to Johnny?
I hope they come out with a visual of all the events within Johnny’s life until his final death. As well as the years after his death when he was actually turned into an engram (and all the other versions of his engrams) with an end that eludes to the beginning of 2077’s story.
31:45 it's an oversight by the devs it basically saying you fell out last time I have you this time it made no since to incorporate that scene in the game if it wasn't alluding to him falling out of the heli the first time. you're stretching that waaaay too far man they should have had a scene where smasher is basically giving V/Johhny a hard time and there is a point where he may get killed by smasher again and in comes rogue to save Johnny from smasher and that quote "not this time" would have fit better.
I have always worked under the assumption that Soulkiller is a progression of the tech that allows BD recordings and given the prominence that BD editing is given in 2077, it's reasonable to assume that what you see is a warped version of Johnny even without rad damage.
I love listening to your lore videos, always relaxing. But c'mon choom, you know as well as I that Night City is the main character, she's in every story and she always wins.
johnny is only a legend in his re-telling of the story. there is nothing in night city that shows that johnny was/is a legend. only one shop of samurai merch
I'd argue that Songbird being a fan of his despite being from Brooklyn must mean his reach is still pretty vast. Especially since they pin the entirety of the nukes doing onto Silverhand. The primary reason his music and story isn't as popular anymore is the datakrash and Time of Red. Lots of information lost during that time. Though you'd be correct in saying it wasn't his combat that made him a Legend, it was his message and charisma. A vast difference from Solos like Rogue and Blackhand who were more popular amongst mercs and fixers.
So beat the game for now like the 60th time lol but Alts poem at the end and for those who are wondering here's the rest of it No! I am not Prince Hamlet, nor was meant to be; Am an attendant lord, one that will do To swell a progress, start a scene or two, Advise the prince; no doubt, an easy tool, Deferential, glad to be of use, Politic, cautious, and meticulous; Full of high sentence, but a bit obtuse; At times, indeed, almost ridiculous- Almost, at times, the Fool. Meaning you're not the ultimate warrior but you don't need to be you've learned to adapt us your skills and some yes you make mistakes and still the fool. You're slowing the progress of a corrupt political machine one that was thought to be invulnerable you being the fool yet seeing the corruptness of the corporations knowing all odds are against you still try to put a stop to this being a fool still thinking it'll save your life ....there's more to this but gotta start with the basics first and see how many people actually paid attention to corrupt Cunninghams poem ....
The entire poem is entirely too long for here but definitely worth looking at it's the constant struggle of what you believe what is right and wrong and the balance of the greater good....
Next video idea maybe you should talk about how night city was built over another city called morro bay and how they demolished state parks for mega high rises and parking lots😂😂
I still wonder if Keanu didn’t play JS and CDPR went with their original plans would JS even still be as popular or did Keanu enhance the character to a new level?
Still think that V is a bio construkt housing a AI based on morgan blackhand. he or she lives as a sleeper agent. Spider murphy gets hold of information of this V while laying low, Sends jackie in to reprogram the AI, by making a dilema where the AI have to chose logic or feelings. And as V chosen feelings, by becoming friends with Jackie, the next mission is set, where to bring back silverhand and alt. to find bartmoss. I mean most characters have a unique voice in this game, except two. Spider murphy and misty, why aren't their voices unique? because it's the same. Misty is also subtly conditioning us through out the game, with what path to walk. She acts like a storefront, though she is in the middle of everything. might be some flaw to this, i haven't found it though.
How can Black Dog be an "unreleased" Samurai song when it is the very first song that starts playing on the Samurai vinyl in V's apartments in the game?
@@ElJulioso Because Trace Santiagos Edgerunner group didn't gatekeep the edition Angel gave them choom! So it ended up unofficially released some point after 2045.
good video, but when Shaitan video? there is no way that the wiki encompasses ALL the lore on him. especially since he plays a fairly important role in the AHQ bombing.
With this aspect we can assume this V engram is a copy of the real johnny Ingram. That explains why alt so cold to johnny cuz he not the real silverhand.
Wow!! You are very good at lore. But this exceeds them all. I have a much better picture of Johnny and how he is portrayed in CP2077 as well as the source material and its author Maximum Mike Pondsmith. I still view Johnny more as a tragic character than a heroic one. But I can sympathize with him more and very glad he has such a large part in the game.
I believe they get hnds on his engram. But not original. This is copy of a copy. And they torture and mold his memories as test to true purpose of relic.
He didn’t cheat death. Johnny silver hand is dead. The engram of his consciousness is now a new being. It’s like in soma except there’s no coin toss. There’s no “happy ending.” When you get copied your copy is now a new entity as getting copied isn’t the same as being “cut” you would say. The original conscious is still present or WAS. Now his new conscious is only what Arasaka viewed as. This is why Johnny is such a prick by nature, in reality he was probably more soft.
After hearing his legend, do you think Silverhand is a hero? Let me know all your thoughts down below and I hope you all enjoyed.
I will be moving into a few other IPs in my upcoming videos. So hope to see you all there and have a great week chooms!
Silverhand was a terrorist, whether he wanted to be or not. And it’s not because he bombed a tower or whatever. It’s because he straddled the line between freedom fighter and a psychotic murderer - by blending those two parts of himself, he saw vindication for his actions, while others (besides the fans of his music) just saw a terrorist. That being said, if someone did to my wife, Panam Palmer, what was done to Alt, yyyeah I’d want to destroy them too and by any means possible, collateral damage be damned.
Johnny is a shitty older brother who Resents the way he treated the people around him, but dies before saying sorry or fixing anything. Given a second chance he takes the opportunity to influence V in a way that can guide them towards a fulfilling purpose in the world of Cyberpunk. All G wanted was to be a legend, Johnny gives them the keys to that life.
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Hell yeah well it's like in real life you meet someone (in this case forcefully) what do you tell first? Usually the epic stories of how you felt like youre a badass then you start to open up and tell the tragedies and how things weren't always as epic...see I was stoked to see Silverhand even if he's a corrupt copy cause well I've been playing this a long time and when they said hes gonna be Keanus I was stoked so I always made friends with Silverhand! This being said yeah his loses are nuts so is Vs is like damn no one catches a break. I like to choose the nomad life path as I feel it close like you feel a closer bond to Silverhand...that's just my opinion but seeing all I can't fuckin wait for Orion it's gonna be nuts!!!
Hey layedback did you look up cyberpunk project Orion recently they're doing a gdc conference meet and ask questions in San Francisco! Sadly I can't go but you definitely should that's in your direction lol
One of my favorite character ever in a video game, i wish we had more expansions just to spend more time with Johnny
It's really a shame we didn't get more expansions and we likely won't be seeing him in Orion. But who knows, maybe a project outside of video games will give us more Silverhand!
Thanks to CDPR all we got is empty feeling average looking game. No background, no mechanics, no 'real' Cyberpunk taste.
@@ipatates gotta be the most delusional take of this year 💀
What the hell this man just say?!
Definitely delusional maybe lives under rock possibly 😂
I always love how Johnny respects V's ability to choose for themselves. If they want V to do something, they give their own opinion whenever possible but if V decides to choose to do the opposite or something Johnny doesn't like, the worst he does is berate V for their choice. Despite the fact that if he wanted to he can take control of V but he only ever does it to save V themselves or asking for permission to do so beforehand. Just goes to show how much he values freedom and the human capacity to choose. Rock on you rebel legend.
Johnny would be a massive hypocrite if he took control of V's body. For a guy against authoritarianism, it'd be quite authoritarian for him to hijack V's body.
"Ah yes "the hand" killed all of those officers and maxtac operatives"
- V
I think the Engram Johnny is like “The Hand” was for Johnny but instead for V, everything bad that V does they blame on Johnny; Johnny did the same for “The Hand”.
Johnny’s appearance is also identical to what he wore in Never Fade Away as seen in Red; I think that’s why the Never Fade Away in 2077 is the clearest memory even considering the obvious changes, probably because before his death he swore he wouldn’t make the same mistake as he did in 2013 again.
Aye!!!! Good shit choom! As well that was his fondest as well as worst memory! Im waiting for Orion seeing how I think if you choose the nomad life path you may get a deeper connection with Johnny. Idk I'm playing a new play through seeing I had 2 updates and a shit load of memory used so we shall see choom! But I do like the keen eye to detail I know some people on here think I rant so try not to do it as much but A1! They're supposed to be coming out with blackhand material here soon so can't wait as well as edgerunners! Cyberpunk does not disappoint lol
Is it possible that part of Johnny's inaccurate memories are due to the relic losing integrity during the heist. Before Jackie slots the relic he states that it's integrity was at 86% and dropping. Something I think about with each playthrough but I never see it mentioned.
Another thing to add is how songbird mentions there is corrupted data in the relic. It is also a theory of mine that the clearing of that data gave v a few extra days if not a bit longer
@tylerrussell9926 That's a good thought. The corruption could also just be from the data being altered and copied, and altered again and again while under the "care" of Arasaka. Or it could be the result of Yorinobu hastily putting the engram on the Relic while trying to keep it secret.
One very strange thing about the relic is that it appears to be extremely volatile in the Cyberpunk 2077 V and Jackie relic heist. But that same relic existed in the radioactive ridden ruins of the destroyed Arasaka tower inside Johnny's remains for some time before Samantha arrives to collect Johnny and his belongings. So not only did it survive a nuclear warhead detonation but also the extreme conditions that came after but for some reason has to be kept in a high controlled environment to survive the 2077 events.
@@TheControlsterThing is the relic we see in 2077 is an experimental prototype meant to stay ‘in house’ for Saburo’s use, so it didn’t exist when the first Arasaka tower fell. The relic we see is meant to inject the data on it into a dead corpse so whatever engram is on it can take it over, the shard spider used was completely different as it only soulkilled Johnny and kept his engramatic data. So, basically, two entirely different shards.
We need a cyberpunk2077 prequel when we're playing as Johnny or Morgan Blackhand.
It's called Cyberpunk 2020 and it already exists.
@@chrisallen9638 thats a ttrpg though and not exactly what this commenter had in mind idiot
@@chrisallen9638 i think they're talking about a proper video game
"Never fade away"
That whole Angel/Alt story is so interesting to me. I'd lose it if we meet Angel in Orion (since they didn't put her or any references to her in 2077). I don't know how much source material there is on Alt, but I'd love a lore video on her!
This whole Angel/Alt story greatly reminds me of Soma and how that ended.
The angel alt story let's you know pretty much that the current version we see of alt is corrupted and the last thing spidermurphys mission was to restore all parts of alt....as well as Bartmoss has his rabbids as well...restore them to their original forms as well as bring the soul killer engram aka Silverhand to his frozen body (source to original host) could be Vs only chance of actual survival....
@@JohnnySilverwrench I personally don't think V can survive as far as 2077 canon goes. Johnny could definitely be disentangled to be transferred to his frozen body, but (according to Alt's AI version, which granted could have its own reasons to lie to us) V's engram would be attacked by V's body because of how far along the Soulkiller process was by the time we attempted the transfer. Still, the Angel part of Alt's story is def worth a video imo.
@@SofaKingWashed the possibilities are endless with game the reason why I believe the host to original source ending is if you remember in the late 80s early 90s Keanu played in a similar roll called Johnny necromancer definitely worth watching to understand the concept I speak of! Lol and yes the whole blackdog story I find very intriguing so many gaps and unanswered questions 🤘
I think orion might revolve around mr blue eyes aka humans with ai inside of them
Johnny thinks he's the main character of Night City and he really wants you to think it, too. I feel like 2077 lays out pretty clearly that Alt is the main character of the main plotline of Cyberpunk and Johnny is a clingy ex who doesn't know when to let go. Never Fade Away 2013, Firestorm and 2077 are all a straight line from Alt inventing Soulkiller to Alt destroying Mikoshi.
Se we are currently living through silver hands childhood given what's happening to America rn
Not lacking we locked in this time
I love your theory at the end. Brought a tear to my eye, thinking that, at least in one iteration, maybe Johnny and Angel actually could have had a happy ending
ITS AMAZING TO SEE YOU GO FROM A FEW SUBSCRIBERS TO NOW 20k KEEP IT UP MAN BEEN YOUR NUMBER 1 FAN SINCE THE START LOVE YOU BRO
I didn’t even know he got split in half by Adam smasher that’s some crazy stuff
Some of the best characters have the unfortunate fate of losing their bottom half
really makes you reconsider why he has 2 death scene in cyberpunk 2077...
hey, man, I enjoyed the video when I play cyberpunk I always play with the intention that Johnny isn't such a good person he has good intentions to begin with but the more I dive into his intentions the more I realise that he will do anything to execute those intentions.the beginning of the game I can't really trust them and all I know is you won't revenge doesn't give a shit about saving V life.is only by talking and doing their optional side quest to actually get to know Johnny that I get to see the humanitarian in him he actually has feelings and emotions .I still do think he manipulates the player by giving every good option the chance to break into arasaka .ultimately still getting what he wants in the end
Yeah definitely agreed choom! When I originally played, I was VERY skeptical of Johnny the majority of the game. I actually think his empathetic side came a little too late into the story. But nonetheless, while some of his goals are admirable, unless you have a 100% friendship he will always attempt to guilt you into targeting Arasaka and saving him rather than prioritizing yourself.
@LayedBackGamers,yeah, I definitely got to agree. I wish CD projekt Red showed them more empathy epic side to Johnny, earlier in the game.if you mean that your choice Johnny would agree with you more compared to if you made a bad choice what does agree and try everything . I just wish there was no main consequences for the decisions you made in game. I know dlc what's better with that.and I would like that decision making to carry over to the second game for dlc
Lol I always have good time with Silverhand lmfao but that's the point I think cdpr tried to make is that if you don't know the back story of these characters from the ttrpgs and numerous interviews etc that then you won't really know. Yeah it's fun to play without knowing but epic with knowing. Johnny pondsmith made into a really damn deep character and can't wait for them to put blackhand in future instalments. I'm really rooting for Orion hope it's doesn't take forever to make. I heard there gonna switch to unreal? Idk if that true or not ....
Heard it's absolutely true lol so this shouldn't take as long plus they have half the US team and half the Poland team working on it! 🤘
The Metal Gear 4 theme when you’re talking about soldiers and shit was a nice touch.
I knew it! The Malorian was supposed to be in the left silver hand! Such a huge bug in the game.
Bug? You are not playing as Silverhand until the end of the game, remember this is V reliving Johnny's memories. Is it also a bug that depending on how V talks to Alt it affects conversations between Johnny and Alt?
Loved this video. Fantastic. Resolves most plotoles and offers to look at inconsistencies. I watched the whole thing.
I gotta say, I'm sorry for leaving so many comments. I'm usually am in the comments complaining about the 2020-2077 inconsistencies waaaay too often.
Gotta ask, would you be willing to possibly look into and maybe do a very short video on Silverhand's music and album career? For example, Silverhand's debut solo album A Cool Metal Fire has been essentially wiped off the wiki after 2077's release, and a bunch of songs from that album have kind of made their way onto other albums. You can only really find the track listing in one of the old sourcebooks now. A cool Metal Fire marked the debut of "Chippin In," and "Never Fade Away", which now isn't possible since "Chippin In" is now a Samurai album, and Never Fade Away is now Silverhand's possibly debut album that was released in 2009, and includes the track "Never Fade Away".
I bring this up because a lot of this super niche album info is completely unknown, and inconsistencies only become known if you have a sourcebook and you compare it to the game. It also makes you wonder if the duplicate songs are retconned, re-releases, re-recorded, or reintrepretations. So there would be 3 Chippin In's, one Samurai, one solo, and one by Kerry, and 2 Never Fade Away's. One released in 2009, and one released in 2013. Makes you wonder which one was about Alt, and which one was the "Sixteen and sixteen hundred" version.
Johnny Silverhand is a character I relate to in real life. Not because of his actions or not. As a metalhead myself, and seeing his hate for corporate powers and being a damaged individual himself because LiFe... I feel his pain. So, he is my favorite character ever honestly, along side Panam Palmer of course ❤
I love the addition of a piano version of halo reach’s music, really fits tbh
I love how printing money to subsidize something is what caused the biggest collapse in the cyberpunk universe and its literally what the us gov did in the 2020
And 2008 and it'll happen again.
It’s insane how many Americans don’t know that between 20 and 80% (depending on which source you check. Claims are all over the place) of all US dollars in circulation were printed since 2020. It’s constantly pushed in the background that you could easily live on $15/hr 5 years ago in most cities and now you can barely make it above poverty on $20/hr
That Metal Gear Solid soundtrack fit very well 👌
I wouldn't call life as an AI Doom.
I personally view Johnny as the seed and the central pillar from which all other elements of the setting are built upon. The 2020 RPG (Knowingly or not) is Johnny Silverhand's decade long revenge scheme against Arasaka for killing his input.
Johnny's life is definitely complicated with the relic but glad you could piece it all together 😅
I always felt like the differences in Johnny's memories were just hallucinations. With an Engram trapped in a reality of its own making, it's divorced from actual reality. One's own internal model is kept in check by constant updates from experience through sensory devices, and memory is much in the same way. How many times have you remembered something, only to be reminded by someone else who was also there that things did not exactly happen that way? Memory is a very strange and very malleable thing. And with Johnny's obvious personality flaws and mental issues, it's no surprise that his hallucinations turned out to be what they are.
Always a banger when the video drops
This was actually an interesting fact to know that the malorian is actually a cyberlink weapon made specifically for johnnies cyberarm, I did not know about it. I wish we could apply it somehow in the game, although pre 2.0 malorian was also very op, being able to also penetrate and richoshate
Can’t wait for the new Cyber game with all the new game technology out now. Been playing The Finals a lot lately. If we could get the destruction and graphics of the finals in a new Cyberpunk game…. I’d just die.
banger vid as always choom cant wait for more
Layedback you need to do a live stream with the new updates shits pretty fuckin dope!! 🤘
Johnny silverhand is such a great character
Wow I think this is your best video yet! I love it!
I’d love to see your take on David Martinez
You'll definitely be seeing it once the Edgerunnsrs mission kit for Cyberpunk Red releases! That will have a lot of new info on the entire Maine crew so there's a chance to do a video on the entire crew in one!
Hell yeah new update gotta see the difference now!!! 🤘
Hell yeah choom love the video! Great actual back story of the Rockerboy Silverhand and holy shit didn't realize how many new chooms subscribed to your channel! Cool shit keep it up! 🤘
Man I wish CD Projekt Red would commission all six Samurai albums from the band that did the Samurai songs in the base game. How fucking cool would it be to actually have their entire discography exist in real life?
It took a long time to understand Johnny, but now I know why he calls Kerry a P-word. He was a high functioning cyberpsycho but good intentions, poor execution
So technically if we didn't take the shard from jackie. Then jackie would be alive with johnny inside of him. And we could of prolonged jackies Death
Don't think so. Jackie was heavily shot up. Insides wouldn't work? V was shot in the head and there have been a few survivors of that act in real life
No, Dex would still kill V and Jackie in the no tell motel if that came to be.
No, cause Jackie was bleeding out, which is something the chip wouldn't be able to fix. The chip kept V alive cause it basically rewired his brain and repaired the neurons after he got shot in the head.
@@antthomas7916 The Chip would have Fixed it... Cause of V gets shot in the head... that does mean we bleed or Dex kinda angled that shot so badly we didnt actually die from it in reality.
Remember what Vektor Vic says? low kaliber. Now that is interesting infomation we get.
So it is either Vs skull kinda bounced the shot. That can happend with a 45caliber round. If you angle the shot the skull can bounce it.
Or V did get shot in the head and missing brain pierces... but that does not really make sense... cause we are kinda running and what not around... I do not belive the chip can do that.
So my therory on this. The chip did not fix us. Dex angled the shot so badly and we survived. Because logically speaking here. The Chip takes over slowly. But it also damages our brain... So that does mean our brain from dexes shot did not get damaged. Just a light headache.
Also it does not make sense that this chip can revive you from death and repair our brain with nanites. So we still have full body function we can talk and fight and what not..
I do not think that is possible to repair tbh. Since the brain is far to complex.
What does make sense however is that the chip only stores a person and that person is now trying to take over. That I can kinda see happending but lets be real its a bit of a far stretch.
So logically speaking i do not think the chip did anything but upload so to say Jhonnys personality.
Also Anders Helmann never ever mentions that we got shot in the head or had brain damage from the bullet wound. Wich is quite interesting so to say.
This is awesome and Johnny is my favorite character in cyber punk. I wasn’t good at the game, but he was my favorite character nonetheless
Grayson recounts what smasher told him when you reach him on the Ebunike. They bring Johnnys body to Saburo to interrogate, scorch him with Soulkiller and take his body out to the oil fields to bury. I'd think that this would be closest to what actually happened to Johnny?
The only way this could've happened was to a cloned Johnny post Time of Red since his body was retrieved by Samantha directly from the bunker in 2023.
The reason the nomads dont settle down is because if the do and bulid nomad city, the courps will move in because theres money to be made.
I hope they come out with a visual of all the events within Johnny’s life until his final death. As well as the years after his death when he was actually turned into an engram (and all the other versions of his engrams) with an end that eludes to the beginning of 2077’s story.
Great video chum 🫡
31:45 it's an oversight by the devs it basically saying you fell out last time I have you this time it made no since to incorporate that scene in the game if it wasn't alluding to him falling out of the heli the first time. you're stretching that waaaay too far man they should have had a scene where smasher is basically giving V/Johhny a hard time and there is a point where he may get killed by smasher again and in comes rogue to save Johnny from smasher and that quote "not this time" would have fit better.
I have always worked under the assumption that Soulkiller is a progression of the tech that allows BD recordings and given the prominence that BD editing is given in 2077, it's reasonable to assume that what you see is a warped version of Johnny even without rad damage.
This is insane lore for the next Cyberpunk.
I love listening to your lore videos, always relaxing. But c'mon choom, you know as well as I that Night City is the main character, she's in every story and she always wins.
Chooms cdpr has their lead of development talking about how about how it's in the making!!! Roughly 12 hours ago hell yeah! 🎉❤ 🤘
johnny silverhand is a good guy u can see it from having a high friendship with him.
johnny is only a legend in his re-telling of the story. there is nothing in night city that shows that johnny was/is a legend. only one shop of samurai merch
I'd argue that Songbird being a fan of his despite being from Brooklyn must mean his reach is still pretty vast. Especially since they pin the entirety of the nukes doing onto Silverhand.
The primary reason his music and story isn't as popular anymore is the datakrash and Time of Red. Lots of information lost during that time. Though you'd be correct in saying it wasn't his combat that made him a Legend, it was his message and charisma. A vast difference from Solos like Rogue and Blackhand who were more popular amongst mercs and fixers.
Just to add, the Afterlife has a drink called the "Johnny Silverhand" as well.
It's what Claire serves Jackie and V at the beginning of the game.
@@clevergray8754 Your profile picture is giving me bad memories
I like that snake eater song at the end
Am I tripping balls or am I hearing the MGS theme during the Nicaragua invasion?
So beat the game for now like the 60th time lol but Alts poem at the end and for those who are wondering here's the rest of it
No! I am not Prince Hamlet, nor was meant to be;
Am an attendant lord, one that will do
To swell a progress, start a scene or two,
Advise the prince; no doubt, an easy tool,
Deferential, glad to be of use,
Politic, cautious, and meticulous;
Full of high sentence, but a bit obtuse;
At times, indeed, almost ridiculous-
Almost, at times, the Fool.
Meaning you're not the ultimate warrior but you don't need to be you've learned to adapt us your skills and some yes you make mistakes and still the fool. You're slowing the progress of a corrupt political machine one that was thought to be invulnerable you being the fool yet seeing the corruptness of the corporations knowing all odds are against you still try to put a stop to this being a fool still thinking it'll save your life ....there's more to this but gotta start with the basics first and see how many people actually paid attention to corrupt Cunninghams poem ....
The entire poem is entirely too long for here but definitely worth looking at it's the constant struggle of what you believe what is right and wrong and the balance of the greater good....
"Bryan, College Station" is that were he was born ? Texas A&M town.
Next video idea maybe you should talk about how night city was built over another city called morro bay and how they demolished state parks for mega high rises and parking lots😂😂
Temperance is the best ending
Johnny getting sold by his dad for a pack of cigarettes.
"Good stuff"
I think he meant it as in “ one of the “good things” in his story as apposed to his life as a whole
@@iXmetalXi yeah ik, just found it funny
Choom! Fucking amazing video!! Please please please keep it up
they should make a series kind of like net runners except way longer explaining his origin and life
I still wonder if Keanu didn’t play JS and CDPR went with their original plans would JS even still be as popular or did Keanu enhance the character to a new level?
There are no heroes in Night City. Wrong city. Wrong people.
If Johnnys gun is left handed why isn’t he usin it in his left hand
Still think that V is a bio construkt housing a AI based on morgan blackhand. he or she lives as a sleeper agent. Spider murphy gets hold of information of this V while laying low, Sends jackie in to reprogram the AI, by making a dilema where the AI have to chose logic or feelings. And as V chosen feelings, by becoming friends with Jackie, the next mission is set, where to bring back silverhand and alt. to find bartmoss. I mean most characters have a unique voice in this game, except two. Spider murphy and misty, why aren't their voices unique? because it's the same. Misty is also subtly conditioning us through out the game, with what path to walk. She acts like a storefront, though she is in the middle of everything. might be some flaw to this, i haven't found it though.
How can Black Dog be an "unreleased" Samurai song when it is the very first song that starts playing on the Samurai vinyl in V's apartments in the game?
@@ElJulioso Because Trace Santiagos Edgerunner group didn't gatekeep the edition Angel gave them choom! So it ended up unofficially released some point after 2045.
I hear that metal gear solid background theme Sir.
Great content
So johnny was a beserker?
good video, but when Shaitan video? there is no way that the wiki encompasses ALL the lore on him. especially since he plays a fairly important role in the AHQ bombing.
With this aspect we can assume this V engram is a copy of the real johnny Ingram. That explains why alt so cold to johnny cuz he not the real silverhand.
Great Video
I always thought Kerry was the singer of samurai
They both did vocals for the band at separate points! I bet they each had their songs they felt more closely to and therefore sung.
What a dude
Wow!! You are very good at lore. But this exceeds them all. I have a much better picture of Johnny and how he is portrayed in CP2077 as well as the source material and its author Maximum Mike Pondsmith.
I still view Johnny more as a tragic character than a heroic one. But I can sympathize with him more and very glad he has such a large part in the game.
I believe they get hnds on his engram. But not original. This is copy of a copy. And they torture and mold his memories as test to true purpose of relic.
Great video. Best video game companion ever.
this easily coulda been a 15 minute video
Ummm... colombia equador and those countries you mentioned ARE NOT CENTRAL AMERICA... wtf... that's south america.
His Dad sold him for cigarettes?
Kinda wish you would have warned us about the endings being given away in this. I was listening to stuff for johnny and then boom spoiler
Game's four years old, man. Any cyberpunk media could have spoilers. I hope you learn to view with discretion next time.
He didn’t cheat death. Johnny silver hand is dead.
The engram of his consciousness is now a new being.
It’s like in soma except there’s no coin toss. There’s no “happy ending.”
When you get copied your copy is now a new entity as getting copied isn’t the same as being “cut” you would say.
The original conscious is still present or WAS. Now his new conscious is only what Arasaka viewed as. This is why Johnny is such a prick by nature, in reality he was probably more soft.
Vs new theme......O Fortuna......😂(if you know you know)
Real
barely made it on time !
Any time is the right time!
Please keep mgs out of this.😊
Nuh uh
first
I'm always beat to my own videos!
@@LayedBackGamers where's raging usually he beats all 🤣
me and johnny share the same birthplace…minor flex 🥱