Who Sold Joseph Into Slavery?
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- A common argument is that Genesis has two stories of Joseph being sold into slavery. A later redactor stitched them together to form the current story, but is this really what happened?
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Thanks Mike. Joseph is my favourite character beside our Saviour & Lord.
I'm grateful that I'm not a biblical scholar, theologian or textual expert. All God asks me is to believe in Him. I leave the rest to those with the special giftings in these areas.
Happy Advent 🎄🕯️🕯️🎄
May Christ be born anew within each of us. 🙏
Glad I could help.
"Now Israel (the sun after the summer solstice), loved Joseph (the crops as ingathered in November), more than all his children (the four months of summer), because he was the child of his old age (the close of summer), and he made him a coat of many colors " (the leaves and fruits of autumn) Gen. 37. 3. Therefore his brethren hated him. Besides Joseph dreamed two dreams; In the first he was binding sheaves in the field with his brethren, "when, lo, his sheaf stood upright, while his brothers' sheaves stood round about, and made obeisance to his sheaf.' In the second the sun, moon and stars, (zodiacal constellations), make obeisance to him (the twelfth) Gen. 37.9 9. Both were to the same import, viz., that all must subsist upon the stores laid by for winter. "And his brethren (the eleven zodiacal constellations, exclusive of Sagittarius) envied him, but his father observed the saying" (Gen. 37.11). After this Joseph's father sent him out of the vale of Hebron (autumn, when grain was sowed), to Shechem (Taurus of spring, when the grain ripens), to look after his brethren. On his way the poor boy got lost (the grain was not up yet), but a certain man (Aquarius) found him, (i.e., the grain began to grow) and sent him on his way to Dothan (the latter rain of spring, when wheat harvest is approaching). At Dothan Joseph found his brethren, who were looking for him. Afar off they espied him, when they said to one another: "Behold this dreamer cometh," and, conspiring together, took him (the gathered crop) and threw him into a pit (granary).' Scarcely had they done this when some Midianites (men of strife) merchantmen, coming along, they drew him up out of the pit (such are used to-day in that country for granaries) and sold him to the Ishmaelites (the people in winter). To exculpate themselves, they having dipped it in the blood of a kid (the goat of December) slain for that purpose, exhibited poor Joseph's bloody coat to their father; i.e. they showed the reddish hue of the frost-killed vegetation. The Ishmaelites, themselves Egyptians, took Joseph (the grain) down into Egypt (winter), where they sold him to Pharaoh (winter sun), king of Egypt. Here, the Lord being with him, Joseph prospered exceedingly, and, being withal extremely beautiful, he drew upon him the lustful eyes of his mistress, who boldly accosted him, saying, "lie with me." But Joseph's virtue, like Abimelech's, was not to be overcome. The woman, however, persevered, and seizing his garment, again importuned him, saying, “Lie with me." This time Joseph fled, leaving his garment in her hands.
Here the Sun being in Virgo, the earth (Joseph) was on the opposite side, over against Virgo. Passing into the winter hemisphere, the earth or Joseph leaves its green cloak in the hands of Virgo, Potiphar's wife. It has often been said: ' ' Hell has no fury like a woman scorned. ' '
@@InspiringPhilosophy This makes me appreciate the story of Joseph and all Old Testament Scriptures being preserved in history because God knows what He's doing for ALL generations of humanity knowing they'll examine these writings. I just wanted to let you know how much of an influence you've been in my work in Christian Apologetics these past few months. Atheism is nuts it's a nonsensical conclusion that Atheists use science to come to having Creation without a Creator just a creative Force that inexplicably came about on it's own without guidance, consistency or assurance of it's success or purpose just random irrational events that they worship because it cancels out the moral accountability and responsibility that they would have to a Creator. Thanks to The Lord our God for preserving His Word through the centuries of history in The Bible so Christians and Apologists can do Good in uploading these videos. Your Inspiring Philosophy ministry always does good work in your efforts in the furtherance of The Gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ you're reaching thousands to millions of people who are seeking after The Truth of God's Existence, Word and Character in our reality 🙏❤️👊. This has nothing and everything to do with the video but please listen if you want to otherwise leave it alone and ignore it. Hello my name is Justin and I'm a fellow Christian and Apologist but I'm also a college student. I'm not a closed minded Theist as I have nothing against Atheists or unbelievers as I speak to them often to understand their reasons for unbelief but we as Christians are convinced of God's Existence due to many real factors). I'm not trying to convert anyone or convince anyone to become Christians as that's The Holy Spirit's job to help people believe but only explain why I believe in Jesus Christ. There's actually evidence of God's Existence in Christianity. First of all there's proof that Jesus of Nazareth existed in history since the writings of Tacitus, Josephus Flavius, Pliny the younger and other historical documents prove that He was living two thousand years ago that even scholars both religious and Atheists agree with historically speaking but not that He's The Divine Son of God because obviously they don't.
I'm going to give you historical and archeological evidence for God's Existence as The Scriptures have prophecies that predate the events recorded in them by several millennia including Matthew, Hosea and Zechariah which prophesy accurately of the people of Israel becoming a nation again after over 1900 years of being scattered around the nations since the destruction of the Temple in Jerusalem in 70 A.D. spoken of by Christ in Matthew 23:29-24:3 and returning to their homeland after The Holocaust with Jerusalem as their capital in 1948 exactly as Jesus The Christ said. The prophets including Daniel spoke of the time where several world empires would arise and fall including the Babylonian kingdom, Medes and Persians, Roman Empire, and Saladin and the Muslims which went in consecutive order for the past few millennia. The people of Israel becoming a nation after The Holocaust in 1948 (ironically the melting point of gold as God compares Israel to gold that's tested in fire in Zechariah 13:8 and Jeremiah 16:15) exactly how Jesus The Christ said would happen since God us everything to come in The Scriptures and not just because people were working towards as Atheists claim which are impossible for any regular man to predict.
Just before anyone says Christianity is a white man's religion made to oppress blacks during slavery you obviously aren't aware that the first Christians were Jews in The Middle East and that Christianity just like any religion can be used by evil and corrupt people to oppress others but you forget that the first Abolitionists/Civil Rights activists were Christians who sought to abolish slavery, racism, segregation, injustice and prejudice throughout American history. Jesus The Christ loves you enough not to give you what we all deserve which is God's Wrath by His Own Blood. Charles Darwin didn't originally come up with The Theory of Evolution over 200 years ago as it is mentioned in the writings of Ancient Greeks who believed in Demons that gave knowledge to philosophers.
Evolution makes no sense when nothing has evolved after thousands of years of human history and supposedly the first creature came from primordial sludge several millions of years
ago funny how they won't believe that God an Eternal Almighty Spirit Being created us from the Earth) which came from a supermassive expansion of matter at high temperature that inexplicably created everything in the known universe that supposedly came from nothing billions of years ago. How did the organs evolve before there were bones, skin, substance and how did any creatures see before eyes evolved? I've studied evolution and abiogenesis in the past and read Darwin's " Origin of The Species" I've studied evolution and abiogenesis in the past and read Darwin's " Origin of The Species" and I'm not convinced of but not macro or micro Evolution because there's no evidence of it nor clear observable examples of it where living creatures evolve into other kinds of species plus the fact that fossils don't show evidence of evolution and genetic entropy rules out evolution. The question begs how did two genders evolve from a common ancestor with a perfectly hospitable and sustainable environment with breathable oxygen and resources to survive on inexplicably? Atheists have the burden of proof to explain how everything came to be and why our existence is possible without the Existence of God from an godless perspective just as Christians have to provide evidence of God's Existence and the validity of His Word.
Evolution requires life to already exist in order to take any effect in living organisms so it doesn't account for the existence of Life and reality. Also evolution is impossible because it goes against The Law of entropy and the second Law of thermodynamics because evolution makes things better whereas nothing continues to get better but decays and turns to absolute destruction in the end. Mark Ridley an Evolutionist said "No evolutionist whether gradualist or punctuationist uses the fossil record as evidence in favor of The Theory of Darwinian Evolution as opposed to special Creation". God's Existence is made perfectly known and observable in the universe as demonstrated in His Handiwork in the intelligently designed manner that Creation was made, human consciences and consciousness historical and archaeological evidence of God's Word being valid history, fulfillment of Bible Prophecies God in His Holiness and Righteousness could give us what we deserve in Hell for our since but He's merciful to give us free will to choose to accept or reject His gift of salvation by grace through faith in His Son Jesus. I don't mean this is any condescending manner but if you'd like to discuss The Scriptures with me or have me listen to your view on anything my instagram account is Savage Christian Kombatant.
@Harvey Wabbit you forgot to say "did you know?" I would have believed every word. Lol. Do better next time. Please
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In the beginning, Zeus created the year of 12 signs/months..... Heaven (6 days/months) and Earth (6 nights/months).
Your original video on the Documentary Hypothesis convinced me that it was a silly hypothesis. But with each video where you take a closer look at a given passage, I'm slowly realizing just how arbitrary this supposed "splitting" of the texts actually is.
" Joseph is the son of a fruit-tree - the son of the fruit-tree by the well. His chiefs (the summer months) have provoked him, and the lightnings (not archers) have grieved, or shot at him; but his bow abode in strength, and the arms of his hands (bow and arrow) were made strong by the hands of the mighty of Jacob;" i.e., by the four spring months over which Jacob presided.
@@harveywabbit9541 Forgive me, but I don't understand.
@nblack I wouldn't call it silly, just long past it's use-by date. Torah isn't written like we would expect a modern single author to write. The scholars of the 17th century didn't have access to all the ANE literature we do to compare, so it seemed the best explanation at the time. Variations on that theme pretty much dominated until the 1970s.
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Joseph is the constellation Sagittarius and is the first winter constellation when the year is divided into three seasons aka winter, spring, and summer.
@@harveywabbit9541 what do you hope to achieve by copy-pasting this gibberish to every comment? It seems kind of pointless.
I remember this ‘contradiction’ coming up some years back. But it’s easy to explain. Imagine we read an account of the American War Of Independence. The first part of the account says that America defeated the British army. The latter part of the account claims that America defeated the English army. Is there a contradiction? Of course not.
It came up in the 17th century. Perhaps you meant you remember when you first heard of it?
@@DarrenGedye yes that’s what i meant. When it came up in my life, not when it came up in academic circles.
Conflating British with English is pretty controversial in the UK nowadays. Every English person is British, but not every British person is English, and those who aren't don't tend to like being called English. Also it would be equally true to refer to the colonists as both Americans and British prior to independence, and to talk about the fighting being between British rebels and loyalists.
@@patrickholt2270 As a British person I know this. But we wouldn’t say that an 18th century document calling the same army both British and English is contradicting itself.
And sometimes when we refer to groups of people (like armies) by nationality, we don’t mean every single individual in the group is of that nationality. We often mean either the group is led by or predominantly made up of people of that nationality. So the media might talk about English fans at the World Cup, but that doesn’t mean everyone at the tournament supporting England is actually English.
So the Americans defeating the British is the same as the Americans defeating the Germans
Because they were both defeated?
What part of 2 different tribes don't you get?
You resolve theological questions I didn’t know I had.
I have to say that before watching your series on the documentary hypothesis, I believed that the documentary hypothesis made perfect sense. Now I have my doubts
This made my day
@@InspiringPhilosophy LOL you are still a charlatan throwing straws to gullible believers who will grasp at anything to support there beliefs.
Babe wake up, ip just uploaded!!!🤩
Lmao In all seriousness good work ip, you bring up good points about the DH but there's one thing I was wondering, what is the alternative u use as alot of scholarship for the OT is based on the DH and source criticism so tearing it down like this is something that's pretty big.
I hold to a supplementary hypothesis. The text goes back to a unified corpus that was updated over time
I’ve been wondering about this for along time thanks ip
Joseph is the constellation Sagittarius.
@@harveywabbit9541not true. He is clearly the planet mars. If you don’t believe me then too bad because I have as much evidence for my claim as you do for yours.
Thank you for what you do my friend
Michael, thank you so much for the content you’re putting out. I, and I’m sure many members of the Body, would love it if you responded to Armored Skpetic’s interpretations of Jesus and Christianity on his channel. It would make for entertaining content, but more than that it would clarify his errors in an evangelistic sense.
Thanks for this!
Great exposition. Do a Daniel 9 video. Explain the 70 weeks.
70 Sevens! (I spent about 4-12 hours every day for a month researching and fact checking claims and reading historical documents on these passages. Now they're my favourite.)
The translators goofed when they put Week in there. The 'week' is actually a word that means 'A Unit of 7', like how we use Dozen for 12. It's a heptad.
Buckle Up!
God sent the understanding to Daniel in this way to correspond to Israel's 70 years in captivity to Babylon because they skipped the 7 Year Sabbath for the Fields (aka the Fallow Sabbaths by me) for 490 Years. (Jeremiah 25:11-12, and 2 Chronicles 36:21-22)
In this way, the next 490 Years including the 400 years of silence (no overt prophets) would be linked intrinsically to Israel's sins and rebellion against God.
What follows in Daniel 9 and 11 is the most accurate and packed set of prophecies ever seen. Secular scholars claim Daniel was written around 100BC, because it is too accurate, despite all analysis of the language and archeology pointing to the 530sBC date.
From the Decree to Rebuild Jerusalem with moat and streets, there will be 69 Sevens. (Dan 9:25)
A couple decrees are given to rebuild the Temple, but the decree to rebuild the Walls is given in 444BC.
The Clock has begun.
The 7 Sevens are not explicitly explained, but evidence points towards it being the Timeline for the rebuilding of the Temple, which we know by Josephus(I think?) took 45-49 years to rebuild, and the process is seen in Ezra and Nehemiah. Built during times of trouble. 7x7=49
Daniel's vision describes the rise and falls of multiple kingdoms, the coming of Alexander the Great and his death, the rise of his Four Generals (the Goat with Four Horns that go to the Four Winds) with a sharp focus on the Seleucid and Ptolemaic Empires and their back and forth battles, detailing the victors and losers again and again, which has been backed up by archeology (up to the Fifth Syrian War).
The vision revealed that the Eleventh King of the North (Seleucid) would then go on to oppress the Jews and set himself against God in a way no one else had done before him.
Antiochus IV got into power by using his roman allies and political acumen to trade himself as a political prisoner for a relative, gain passage from Rome to his family's empire, then ousted one relative, became regent for his almost infant relative, and then killed him and crowned himself king (eleventh horn pushing out the other three). He did many things, but of note to the Jews, he removed the high priest and installed his own toady for cash, having the guy funnel money from the Temple to him. He also tried putting pressure on the Jews to turn away from Judaism, but this was only the beginning.
Skipping ahead to the relevant bit.
He fought repeated wars against the Ptolemys, continuing the several hundred year feud. He was ordered to stop by a Roman named Gaius Popillius Laenas. Antiochus IV said he wanted to go back to his advisors and confer, Gaius drew a circle in the sand and said Antiochus IV should give an answer before he leaves it. This is where we get the phrase "A line in the sand."
Antiochus IV relied on his connections to Rome, and having lived there as a political hostage for many years, knew what their military was capable of.
Maccabees (useful for history, but I haven't done any research into any theological claims within it) details what happens next.
Antiochus IV left in a rage, returning towards the North, where his kingdom was. On the way, he stopped in Israel, which was starting to rebel because they heard rumors Antiochus IV had died, and wanted to bring back a proper Temple institution. Already unhappy, embarrassed, and a little bit crazy, Antiochus IV slaughtered 80k Jews, took 40k prisoner, and sold another 40k into slavery (if I remember correctly, i'm low on sleep).
Further, he had a pig sacrificed in the Temple, its blood sprinkled over everything, he stole the relics and the gold/silver etc precious metals, forced the Jews to eat the sacrificed pig... and erected an Idol of Zeus inside the Temple (SUPER IMPORTANT: THE ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION). Further, Antiochus IV had coins minted with his face one one side, and Zeus (and Nike) on the other with the phrase "Epiphanes" meaning God Manifest. He forbade the Jews their Religious Feasts, tried to stop circumcision, sacrifices, and tried to force worship of other gods, including Zeus (who he claimed to be incarnate).
Antiochus IV died out on the campaign trail, sick to his gut with rot or illness, in his tent.
The 2300 Mornings and Evenings is a reference to the daily sacrifices as the Second Temple. The Zeus statue etc was put up in 167BC.
The Maccabean Revolt begins, and the Second Temple is cleansed and rededicated in 164BC.
2300/ 2(Morning and Evening) = 1,150 Days, or 3.5 Years, the length of the Second Temple being profaned.
The Second Temple Rededication resulted in a yearly celebration all have heard the name of: Hanukkah.
BUT the best is yet to come!
Daniel was perfectly right about all the facts up to this point, what comes next?
Daniel says the Messiah, the Prince, will arrive at the end of the 7 and 62 Weeks.
Decree Issued: Artaxeres I, March 5th 444BC.
7x7 = 49
7x62 = 434
49 + 434 = 483.
484 / 360 (Jewish Calendar, they used Leap Months) = 173, 880 Days.
What happened on March 30, 33AD?
Luke 19 happened!
Jesus rode into Jersualem on a donkey, as a KING would during peacetimes, praised as royalty by the Jews with palm fronds etc. fulfilling the vision of Zechariah.
4 days later? He is executed on the cross, fulfilling Daniel's 'cut off' which is a specific phrase usually used for execution. And Jesus 'had nothing', which was another phrase often used for 'has progeny or heirs'.
BOOM!
69 Sevens complete.
Now, what about the 70th Seven?
Well, Daniel's prophecy points to 7+62 Sevens until the Anointed One (Jesus Messiah) arrived.
The few straggling bits in Daniel appear to be end times details, which Jesus mentions in Matthew, 'When you see the Abomination of Desolation standing there as described by Daniel, (let the reader understand)'.
Seems like the big bad at the End Times is going to do a repeat of Antiochus IV's profaning the Temple.
But, the Second Temple was destroyed in 70AD. And so many wait for a Third Temple to be built, or a building re/dedicated towards this purpose.
(You are Here)
Whew....
Thanks for coming along this wild ride of prophecy with me if you actually read all the way through. This was the Abridged Prophecies of Daniel 8, 9, 11, 12.
This was the minimal amount of details necessary. There are enough details, names, dates, etc that anyone interested can start doing their own research. I have my notes on it all, but I haven't figured out how I want to make them available.
I found a few people that do a quick summary similar to the one above in video format (Skip Heitzig, Mike Winger) here on youtube.
If you think this is interesting, and want to research more prophecies in the Bible, check out Ezekiel and Tyre, and what alexander the great did there. And then look at modern pictures of Tyre to see where the best fishing spot is.
God Bless the Berean Thinker, the one who studies, investigates, and tests Scripture.
God Bless the Innocent Heart, the one who believes and seeks a close relationship with God.
And God Bless you, who are struggling.
I believed in God for many years, because of a spiritual experience. But, I never really shared my faith. I wasn't afraid to pray in public, nor did I feel awkward, but I never stepped forward to share it with other people in person.
When God prompted me to start with studying Wisdom, I went down an endless path of learning new things in the Bible. Like a nesting Doll, if you're persistent, you'll find wondrous things to learn.
The Archeology is impossible without God, the prophecies are entirely too accurate. (Ezekiel - Tyre Hosea - Sticks Jereimiah - Babylon Joshua - Jericho, Hazor's Ash Layer = Within 40 years of Moses!)
Learning the prophecies, and how they align with History, and the textual criticisms and defenses in detail gives me the confidence to look someone in the eye, and not only say "I believe," but, "So should you, and here's why."
I want to end on a note of Love: When all these things demonstrate the reality of the Bible, we are left confronting a very hard Truth. God is real. And, it's the God of the Bible and no other. No other system of religion, or collection of prophecies is so seamless and accurate. And that means the Creator of the Universe Loves you.
He wants a beautiful relationship of Father and Son, and King and Subject all in one. He Loves you not because of anything you've done, or will do, but because you are His. You can turn away, you can put up barriers, you can say "I won't come home until I'm clean enough."
But, He's the richest being in the Universe (which He created), a little hot water for a shower is no less than what any parent would give their child when they show up at the door muddy and hurt. He doesn't make you pay a toll or pray seven times before He begrudgingly allows you to use the shower. He brings you in and ushers you into safety, cleaning, and holiness.
As Jesus, said, if even an evil person would do as much for their child, what more would God do for you?
Why wouldn't you want to learn everything you could about a Friend-King you loves you?
Translating it as 70 Weeks is not a "goof" (what an ugly word) at all. Weeks are sets of sevens and these weeks are Weeks of Years, a common term in many languages.
@inspiring philosophy can u do a video on tai jacksons prophecies
This makes me appreciate the story of Joseph and all Old Testament Scriptures being preserved in history because God knows what He's doing for ALL generations of humanity knowing they'll examine these writings. I just wanted to let you know how much of an influence you've been in my work in Christian Apologetics these past few months. Atheism is nuts it's a nonsensical conclusion that Atheists use science to come to having Creation without a Creator just a creative Force that inexplicably came about on it's own without guidance, consistency or assurance of it's success or purpose just random irrational events that they worship because it cancels out the moral accountability and responsibility that they would have to a Creator. Thanks to The Lord our God for preserving His Word through the centuries of history in The Bible so Christians and Apologists can do Good in uploading these videos. Your Inspiring Philosophy ministry always does good work in your efforts in the furtherance of The Gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ you're reaching thousands to millions of people who are seeking after The Truth of God's Existence, Word and Character in our reality 🙏❤️👊. This has nothing and everything to do with the video but please listen if you want to otherwise leave it alone and ignore it. Hello my name is Justin and I'm a fellow Christian and Apologist but I'm also a college student. I'm not a closed minded Theist as I have nothing against Atheists or unbelievers as I speak to them often to understand their reasons for unbelief but we as Christians are convinced of God's Existence due to many real factors). I'm not trying to convert anyone or convince anyone to become Christians as that's The Holy Spirit's job to help people believe but only explain why I believe in Jesus Christ. There's actually evidence of God's Existence in Christianity. First of all there's proof that Jesus of Nazareth existed in history since the writings of Tacitus, Josephus Flavius, Pliny the younger and other historical documents prove that He was living two thousand years ago that even scholars both religious and Atheists agree with historically speaking but not that He's The Divine Son of God because obviously they don't.
I'm going to give you historical and archeological evidence for God's Existence as The Scriptures have prophecies that predate the events recorded in them by several millennia including Matthew, Hosea and Zechariah which prophesy accurately of the people of Israel becoming a nation again after over 1900 years of being scattered around the nations since the destruction of the Temple in Jerusalem in 70 A.D. spoken of by Christ in Matthew 23:29-24:3 and returning to their homeland after The Holocaust with Jerusalem as their capital in 1948 exactly as Jesus The Christ said. The prophets including Daniel spoke of the time where several world empires would arise and fall including the Babylonian kingdom, Medes and Persians, Roman Empire, and Saladin and the Muslims which went in consecutive order for the past few millennia. The people of Israel becoming a nation after The Holocaust in 1948 (ironically the melting point of gold as God compares Israel to gold that's tested in fire in Zechariah 13:8 and Jeremiah 16:15) exactly how Jesus The Christ said would happen since God us everything to come in The Scriptures and not just because people were working towards as Atheists claim which are impossible for any regular man to predict.
Just before anyone says Christianity is a white man's religion made to oppress blacks during slavery you obviously aren't aware that the first Christians were Jews in The Middle East and that Christianity just like any religion can be used by evil and corrupt people to oppress others but you forget that the first Abolitionists/Civil Rights activists were Christians who sought to abolish slavery, racism, segregation, injustice and prejudice throughout American history. Jesus The Christ loves you enough not to give you what we all deserve which is God's Wrath by His Own Blood. Charles Darwin didn't originally come up with The Theory of Evolution over 200 years ago as it is mentioned in the writings of Ancient Greeks who believed in Demons that gave knowledge to philosophers.
Evolution makes no sense when nothing has evolved after thousands of years of human history and supposedly the first creature came from primordial sludge several millions of years
ago funny how they won't believe that God an Eternal Almighty Spirit Being created us from the Earth) which came from a supermassive expansion of matter at high temperature that inexplicably created everything in the known universe that supposedly came from nothing billions of years ago. How did the organs evolve before there were bones, skin, substance and how did any creatures see before eyes evolved? I've studied evolution and abiogenesis in the past and read Darwin's " Origin of The Species" I've studied evolution and abiogenesis in the past and read Darwin's " Origin of The Species" and I'm not convinced of but not macro or micro Evolution because there's no evidence of it nor clear observable examples of it where living creatures evolve into other kinds of species plus the fact that fossils don't show evidence of evolution and genetic entropy rules out evolution. The question begs how did two genders evolve from a common ancestor with a perfectly hospitable and sustainable environment with breathable oxygen and resources to survive on inexplicably? Atheists have the burden of proof to explain how everything came to be and why our existence is possible without the Existence of God from an godless perspective just as Christians have to provide evidence of God's Existence and the validity of His Word.
Evolution requires life to already exist in order to take any effect in living organisms so it doesn't account for the existence of Life and reality. Also evolution is impossible because it goes against The Law of entropy and the second Law of thermodynamics because evolution makes things better whereas nothing continues to get better but decays and turns to absolute destruction in the end. Mark Ridley an Evolutionist said "No evolutionist whether gradualist or punctuationist uses the fossil record as evidence in favor of The Theory of Darwinian Evolution as opposed to special Creation". God's Existence is made perfectly known and observable in the universe as demonstrated in His Handiwork in the intelligently designed manner that Creation was made, human consciences and consciousness historical and archaeological evidence of God's Word being valid history, fulfillment of Bible Prophecies God in His Holiness and Righteousness could give us what we deserve in Hell for our since but He's merciful to give us free will to choose to accept or reject His gift of salvation by grace through faith in His Son Jesus. I don't mean this is any condescending manner but if you'd like to discuss The Scriptures with me or have me listen to your view on anything my instagram account is Savage Christian Kombatant.
Genesis one is about the year being divided into 12 months/signs. The "Creation" story is an annual event. Day one begins at the spring equinox and night six brings us back to the same equinox.
Always great to hear from you. I'd be really interested to hear your thoughts on who the author of the Gospel of John was and the identity of the "disciple whom Jesus loved".
Well I do think it was John.
@@InspiringPhilosophy Why would John want to conceal his identity? I have heard some people claim it was in fact Lazarus, others that it was Mary Magdalene but I don't think it was any of those.
@@robbo916 Of any of them, it seems like it would be Lazarus most to me. He is, after all, the only disciple (not of the 12, of course) whom the text specifically says Jesus loved: "Now a man named Lazarus was sick. He was from Bethany, the village of Mary and her sister Martha. (This Mary, whose brother Lazarus now lay sick, was the same one who poured perfume on the Lord and wiped his feet with her hair.) So the sisters sent word to Jesus, “Lord, _the one you love_ is sick,” John 11:1-3 (NIV, emphasis mine).
@@jonhilderbrand4615 Thanks for the reply. This certainly makes more sense to me than that it was John, but why would Lazarus not identify himself either? I think there is a better and even more amazing explanation that throws up some incredible ideas. Try reading it with the presupposition that it was none other than ... JUDAS ISCARIOT!
EP Sanders argued this was just the way a lot of jewish authors wrote, as it would give more authority to them. If it was the gospel of Mark is was Mark's perspective. But if it was just the gospel, it was seen in that culture as more objective.
Great video!!
Just like some small details about certain event differ between gospels. It doesn't mean the event itself is not true at all.
I think we can't be critical of the separated versions of the stories being incomplete. This would be a natural outcome of the reaction process - merging the stories wears away rough edges and removes pieces to let the new story flow more smoothly.
Not really. You’re starting with an assumption that there WERE separate texts in the first place when there is little logical reason to think so. There’s PLENTY of reason to be hard on the separate texts. The whole idea that spawns them was bad from the start.
@@John-fk2ky I was assuming that they could have existed and was pointing out the incompleteness was not a real issue. However, it does read like I was assuming there were two existing stories; I could have phrased things better.
Great video
This peaked my interest as my current research is in the Gen 37-50.
It is true that scholarship has largely moved away from dividing the text into J and E. However, that doesn't mean that the Joseph Story is then viewed as a unity.
It's nearly universally agreed on that chapters 38 and 49 are later additions to the story. And there's majority agreement that large sections of 39, 46-48 and even sections of 50 (if not all) are expansions to the core Joseph Story (the diaspora novella).
The Ishmaelites/Midiantes being the same is plausible, but it's certainly not clear. The use of Ishmaelites in the Judges passage could be adjectival. One also has to contend with the fact that one of the oldest interpretations, a 2nd-3rd century Targum reads them as distinct peoples, as does Rashi in the Medieval period. Others saw them as the same, such as Rashbam and Ibn Ezra. But the diversity of opinion is evidence that it was not clear from the Hebrew linguistics of the passage alone.
That said, I do think it's plausible they were the same... but it's out of a lack of a better explanation - not an abundance of evidence. Another possibility advocated by scholars is that the Midianites were part of a redactional expansion (not a source) with the aim of obscuring the fact that the brothers sold Joseph into slavery in order to better establish that it was God who brought Joseph to Egypt. Though that has its own issues as well.
I’m fine with saying the text may have been updated over time. My point is there is a lot more unity in the text than most people suggest. I think attempts to divide up the passage of Gen 37 are riddled with problems and unjustified assumptions. There’s no reason to think ancient authors preserved there sources in their works
@@InspiringPhilosophy So they lied? Therefore the bible is not the inerrant word of god?
What are evangelicals going to do?
@@fordprefect5304 The additions do not constitute a corruption of the text (as erroneous facts were not injected into the document). They were mostly added for clarity.
@Jordan Steele I am genuinely having trouble parsing what you're trying to say lol, help me through
"The language of the Rig Veda was not updated."
"Sanskrit from the Rigveda matches what an Aryan language from the middle to late Bronze 1500-1200 BCE"
"The culture destribed in the Rigveda matches the Shintashta culture which dates to 2050-1900 BCE"
"Sanskrit does not evolve into existence until about 1500 BCE"
So it's describing things from 2050 BC using language that came about in 1500 BC? How is this the language not being updated?
The rest is about there being Vedic influences in the ANE. Alright. Cool. Haven't looked into that, but cool if true. What's your point here?
The Hebrew Bible also preserves ancient forms of words from the specific time period of the Exodus, like toponyms for example. Also many ancient Egyptian loanwords. And the descriptions also closely match Ancient Egyptian culture at that time. So there is a genuine ancient historical core to it. Now, as for your question, "Why would the Hebrew Bible need to be updated" - Dr Michael Heiser argues that the text was ultimately finalized during the Babylonian exile, with the purpose of specifically interacting with and arguing against the surrounding cultures and religions. So it makes sense. That's just one example answer off the top of my head. You could also challenge the notion that it was updated, but let's just grant that it was - no problem.
@Jordan Steele Okay, but once again - as Michael Heiser says, the Pentetauch was finished up during the Babylonian exile. So it's possible that there's features from a later time period. I'm not too knowledgeable on grammar, though, lol
But that still doesn't explain the big relative amount of Egyptian loanwords in the Pentetauch. Later books in the Bible have much less Egyptian vocabulary. So this imples that the Pentetauch has earlier historical roots. Once again, including very time-specific toponyms that WERE NOT used after 1000 BCE (to illustrate, you wouldn't call New York "New Amsterdam" today). How would the Pentetauch have these features if it was entirely made up after 1000 BCE?
Also if you want customs and traditions, as I said, the text seems very familiar with Egyptian culture, customs, and agricultural practices from the time of the Exodus. There's also the altar at Mount Ebal (the Joshua altar), which was used for kosher animal sacrifices (deduced from the bone remains found at it), and matches chronologically with a late-date Exodus. IP has a documentary about this, but if you want to hear it from an Egyptologist, check out Dr. David Falk, "Ancient Egypt and the Bible" on youtube. He's got a playlist on the Exodus.
Say, here's what - Dr Falk is going to have a Q&A livestream tomorrow, and I'm going to ask him about the date of the language in the Pentetauch, alright?
Edit: In the mean time, do watch IP's documentary "Exodus Rediscovered", he actually goes into the grammar and linguistic analysis heavily there and cites a lot of scholarship
One thing I still don’t get though…
To me, verses 29-30 are hard to understand.
We read that the brothers plot to sell Joseph, then the Medianites/Ishmaelites pass by, then the brothers lift Joseph out of the pit and sell him as it was planed…
But then in the immediate next verse, Reuben goes back to the pit and is somehow surprised it’s empty?? Then he goes back to his brothers to announce to them that Joseph is missing??
Am I missing something? It’s as if Reuben mysteriously disappears between verses 24 and 25, leaving his 10 brothers and wondering by himself for a while, only to come back in verse 29…
Can I compile your works (mainly Bible contradiction) into a book in my language and published it.
That would be plagiarism. If you want to write a book on the subject, you should do your own research and write it yourself.
@@isoldam my main objective is for my brother's in Christ here at home to not lose faith, Mr Jones can have all the profits. Of course I can do my own research, but to be honest, I don't have the skills or talent as my major is not in philosophy so I'm asking whether he would be so kind as to share his work. As I said, he can ask for how much royalty he wants which he rightfully deserved. All I'm asking is for the lisence.
Plagiarism and copying are not the same thing. If you copy a work or passage but have permission and cite your source, it’s difficult to see how that would be plagiarism.
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Love the work.
On a Christian video I was watching, Christians and muslims were going back and forth in the comments. One muslim said that Christians took out from the Bible the verse of something along the lines of: "the final prophet will be an Arab."
I doubt that is true, but can you do a video on it please?
There is no verse that says that
@InspiringPhilosophy Thought so. I don't think Muslims do any research.
Thank you so much for replying. I means so much to me. I love your videos.
I think Dan McClellan just responded to you about this topic albeit rather indirectly lol
I saw your comment and so I went and watched it. If it is it is a pretty lackluster response, and would not even address my main points. He also ends with poisoning the well, so it doesn’t really address anything I said here.
@@InspiringPhilosophy yeah, I found it lack luster too
He may not have even have watched my video, but it is odd timing to say the least.
@@InspiringPhilosophy I find most of McCllenan's work unimpressive and lazy. There are some LDS scholars that can hold their ground and stay true to their beliefs and present properly exegeted theological work, but I do not think he is one. His title is, a JW scripture translation supervisor, and that makes him the biggest fraud of them all, being that he has to add and/or remove Greek words to make their horrific translation work. I know this is a bit off-topic, but I felt I needed to mention it. There is one guy who I believe is no longer a JW, but went rogue and had a debate with Dr. James White, on the deity of Christ, and it was an excellent debate and the guy held his ground and presented solid points backing his beliefs.
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is it possible that the traders contained people from both groups?
Of course
No
It's like trying to divide the Diatessaron back into four Gospels--but without the Gospels. Even if you can establish the likelihood of multiple sources in the Torah, those sources would overlap so much that determining the original forms with any degree of precision would be hopeless. It would inevitably result in gross overgeneralizations at best. (Analogy: "This story of the rich young ruler is about economics and generosity, so it must have been exclusive to Luke!")
I would like to share something with you so that you can look at the data. Matthew 27:53 baffled me for a long time. It seemed like this was myth or interpolation. However, after much digging and sifting thru archeological data, i think i found evidence this indeed happened. After I looked at all the data from tombs from 30AD to 33AD time period by analizing the ossuary catalogues I notice a pattern. All ossuaries that had no bones in them had the symbol of the fish with a person comming out of its mouth or a circle with a person in it. The circle with a person in it symbol baffled me since it didnt really indicate anything in particular. However when you analyze it carefully it seems to indicate a cave, or tomb entrance and one walking out of it. This then led me to search all the catalogues of ossuaries found with these symbols. After much digging thru thousands of records I notice that those ossuaries with said symbols didnt have bones nor corpses in them. Could this be proof that these first century people marked the ossuaries of ressurected individuals? What do you think?
You will find Dagon (fish-sun) in the O.T. Remember where Nun (fish) fathers Joshua? There is also the story of Jonah (the sun) being swallowed by a fish/whale. Check out the myth of Oannes. How about the story of the coin in the mouth of the fish? That coin is the star Formalhaut. This southern fish also swallowed the manhood of Osiris.
@@harveywabbit9541so what is your understanding?
Genesis 37-50 was a cohesive narrative written during the reign of ptolemy. It was a critique of judah (the south) and an uplifting of ephraim (the north). The documentary hypothesis takes the teeth out of these meticulously crafted narratives. i generally agree with secular scholarship, but it doesn’t look good when there’s very little agreement on what exactly constitutes a supposed source divergence.
P.S.: i did a bit of cursory research and it is possible elements of the joseph story existed during the persian period (Thomas Romer), but that still doesn’t justify the documentary hypothesis. Updates to a text in light of newer events is fundamentally different from creating a text out of contradictory sources.
You will find part of the Joseph story in the Egyptian tale of two brothers, Anpu and Bata. Gen.39:12.
At one time, Egypt was a major source of grain for the Roman empire.
He is then sold to Egypt by the Medanites (37:36), but also by the Ishmaelites (39:1)
Clear case of scholars creating contradiction where there's none
Yes!
Interesting how after Genesis 37 the J and E sources become incoherent without each other. Did scholars just arbitrarily decide which verses to put in each source?
I feel like the easy answer to this is that Ishmaelite is the larger grouping and Midianite the smaller like Israelite the larger grouping and Dannites the smaller grouping within that. It could also be the reverse with Midianite the larger group and Ishmaelite the smaller grouping, tho.
Joseph dreamed two dreams; In the first he was binding sheaves in the field with his brethren, "when, lo, his sheaf stood upright, while his brothers' sheaves stood round about, and made obeisance to his sheaf.' In the second the sun, moon and stars, (zodiacal constellations), make obeisance to him (the twelfth) Gen. 37.9 9. Both were to the same import, viz., that all must subsist upon the stores laid by for winter. "And his brethren (the eleven zodiacal constellations, exclusive of Sagittarius) envied him, but his father observed the saying" (Gen. 37.11). After this Joseph's father sent him out of the vale of Hebron (autumn, when grain was sowed), to Shechem (Taurus of spring, when the grain ripens), to look after his brethren. On his way the poor boy got lost (the grain was not up yet), but a certain man (Aquarius) found him, (i.e., the grain began to grow) and sent him on his way to Dothan (the latter rain of spring, when wheat harvest is approaching). At Dothan Joseph found his brethren, who were looking for him. Afar off they espied him, when they said to one another: "Behold this dreamer cometh," and, conspiring together, took him (the gathered crop) and threw him into a pit (granary).' Scarcely had they done this when some Midianites (men of strife) merchantmen, coming along, they drew him up out of the pit (such are used to-day in that country for granaries) and sold him to the Ishmaelites (the people in winter). To exculpate themselves, they having dipped it in the blood of a kid (the goat of December) slain for that purpose, exhibited poor Joseph's bloody coat to their father; i.e. they showed the reddish hue of the frost-killed vegetation
Probably.Just like saying the Isralites are here then later specify to Danites are here.Which means the same but the latter more specific.Issue is do we have prove from the bible?
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There are always at least three common names or ways of referring to different nationalities today. There's reference to the capital city, there's reference to the official name for the country or people, and there's reference to the leader. US pundits use "Putin", "Russia" and "Moscow" interchangeably, lthough that does reveal considerable ignorance and prejudice on their part. Then there's the ruling ideology, the dominant religion and so on. Names of nationalities can be derived from the geographical term for the land area they have as their country, or it can be derived from their "race" or a name of a founding ancestor. People often seem to stumble over Azerbaijan, because they haven't heard that the nationality is Azeri rather than Azerbaijanian, because so many other nationalities are named by adding an "ian" onto the name of the country. Evidently a "baijan" is much like a "-stan", the country of the people specified in the prefix. So this kind of multiple naming is absolutely ubiquitous. Turkey is the land of the Turks, or Turkmenis, rather than being called Anatolia and the people Anatolians, although the people living there are both Turks and Anatolians, and still include large numbers of Kurds despite the best efforts of Turkish nationalists to do to them what was previously done to the Anatolian Armenians and Greeks.
I always get puzzled that the Ishmaelites (meaning the descendants from Ishmael) appear to be an entire people in this account. That ist interesting, because Ishmael was Isaaks brother, and there are only 2-3 Generations between Isaak and Joseph… How could they multiply so fast, that they are already known as a distinct people?
A generation (circle), in biblespeak, will never exceed 12 months.
Magic, the same way the many cities of Sumeria rose after the flood and Egypt, and China, and the Indus valley along with the hundreds of other civilizations.
Genesis 25 and 28 say that Ishmael had 13 children. If each of them had an average of 6 children (to pick an arbitrary but plausible number) who survived to adulthood and marriage, then including spouses, Ishmael would have had around 26 (children's generation) + 13*12 (grandchildren's generation) = 182 descendants in his tribe by the time of the Joseph story, more if he had any great-grandchildren by that time, which seems likely. Given the significance of the rivalry between Ishmael and Isaac, that seems large enough to identify them by name.
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The 13 would be 12 tribes/constellations plus the Moon who is called Dinah. Dinah is the same as Diana (Latin) and Artemis (Greek). and likely the Egyptian Hathor. Yerah/Jerah is the moon. Remember the story of Joshua (the sun) and the battle of Jericho. The battle is the lunar month which was changed from 28 days to 30 days in order to align it with the sun. The sun and moon made to stand still for about a day is the adjustment of the calendar every four years aka February 29. The battle between Isaac/Abel (summer) and Ishmael/Cain (winter) is a common myth. These twins are born six months apart yet manage to wrestle while in the womb.
A generation (bible) is one year or 12 signs. This is also the "world" which never exceeds one year. The religious year begins at the spring equinox (Aries/head) and ends at the spring equinox (Pisces/feet). Here, the end of the world is the last few days before the pass over of the sun from winter (Egypt) to summer (Promised Land).
This is the division of the year/world expressed in Genesis one. The six nights = autumn equinox - spring equinox. The six days = spring equinox - autumn equinox. There are other myths where the year is expressed as ten months aka five below and five above.
There is also some interesting narrative play about midianites ishmaelites and the other children of Abraham when it comes to the Moses narrative. We're introduced to YHWH through the Moses narrative, but Israel was not the first YHWH cult. It implies there's a neat, unspoken subtext and interplay between these sibling/cousin groups in both family and religious relationships.
Joseph prospered exceedingly, and, being withal extremely beautiful, he drew upon him the lustful eyes of his mistress, who boldly accosted him, saying, "lie with me." But Joseph's virtue, like Abimelech's, was not to be overcome. The woman, however, persevered, and seizing his garment, again importuned him, saying, “Lie with me." This time Joseph fled, leaving his garment in her hands.
Here the Sun being in Virgo, the earth (Joseph) was on the opposite side, over against Virgo. Passing into the winter hemisphere, the earth or Joseph leaves its green cloak in the hands of Virgo, Potiphar's wife. It has often been said: ' ' Hell has no fury like a woman scorned. ' '
Hence, Mrs. Potiphar, appearances being in her favor, accused Joseph before her husband. Joseph, of course, was condemned and sent to prison - " in Potiphar's own house " (Smith's Old Test. Hist., p. 109), which looks rather ominous, since Potiphar dying soon after, Joseph took this same woman to wife (Gould's Leg. of Patriarchs and Prophets., p. 237), and soon learned of a truth that " her house is the way to Hell, going down into the chambers of death (winter). For she hath cast down many wounded; yea, many strong men have been slain by her" (Prov. 7, 26, 27).
@@harveywabbit9541 no, Joseph married his daughter, not his widow. Also, we have reason to believe that Potiphar knew his wife was lying. Joseph got a cushy job in prison, because Potiphar was in charge of the prison. Potiphar was forced to act because of the social convention and the accusations of a prominent Egyptian's wife against an outsider. Potiphar did the kind and just thing to help Joseph while in prison, when he very well could have been put to death instead.
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Potiphar's wife is the constellation Virgo.
I never even considered that the "they" who drew him up might refer to the Midianites because that reading wouldn't make sense.
I always thought Midianites ranged from northeast of Moab and to the east and as far south as Havilar. I thought Ishmaelites would of been a smaller subgroup of them mostly in the Sinai to the west of Petra as far as Egypt. Hagar being Egyptian.
As for the confusion between Ishmaelite and Midianite. I doubt Joseph's brothers could tell one from another if there were a difference.
Joseph is a personification of Sagittarius and he is followed by Zeubun of Capricorn. Pharaoh, Scorpio, rode the first chariot and Joseph was just behind him.
@@harveywabbit9541 When the moon is in the Seventh House And Jupiter aligns with Mars.
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The five chariots of Pharaoh (winter) are the five months/signs (led by Scorpio) that can harm man. Rev 9.5.
These same five make up Noah's arc of five months (rainy season).
They also make up Goliath of Gath (his head is Scorpio).
They make up the Sodomites and are also the five sons of Shem.
The winter of five months is such a meanie. The summer of seven months (Aries thru Libra) are much favored over the season of darkness and hunger.
Maybe we should go back to Genesis one where we have six days (months) of "summer" and six nights (months) of "winter."
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The Historical and Literary Complexity of the Joseph
Story
The story of Joseph as a young man (Genesis 37-40) is full of contradictions and doublets, and is interrupted by the story of Tamar and Judah (Genesis 38). Beyond that, hovering in the background is the question: how can the spoiled youth, his father’s favorite, become the prudent leader and savior of his family?
Prof. Athalya Brenner-Idan
Starting from the End: The Final form of the Joseph Account
whoever composed or edited Genesis seems to have appreciated stories about Joseph not only for their literary or entertainment value but also for what they told about national formation, namely the transition from a Jacob Family (in Genesis) to a group of “tribes,” Sons of Jacob, then the nation Israel (in Exodus and beyond).
The Joseph tribes ceased to exist as a political body after the Assyrian conquest of the Northern
Kingdom in 722 BCE. It is thus likely that these stories were first told and collected before then, while the Joseph group still existed in the Northern part of the country. Yet, as we shall see, parts of the story feature Judah as a protagonist, and view him positively.
This is not surprising since most of the Hebrew Bible has come to us via Judean, or Jerusalemite lenses. It is likely that an earlier story, with Reuben as the other important brother, was taken over by scribes and editors of the Southern Kingdom shortly after its Northern (Joseph) kingdom’s demise, when the need for remembering, or manufacturing historical memory for the present and future, was keenly felt.
Some Source-Critical Insights: Who Wants to Save Joseph? Who Sells
Him?
Two brothers save Joseph’s life. Reuben stops his brothers from murdering him by suggesting they throw Joseph into a pit and avoid spilling blood (37:21-22). Later, Judah suggests selling Joseph (37:26-27). The brothers agree to both ideas, yet when Reuben returns to the pit he is shocked to find Joseph gone (37:29-30). Why didn’t Reuben know they were selling him?
To add to this problem, the sale of Joseph is particularly confusing. He is picked up by Midianite merchants (37:28) but sold to the Ishmaelites (37:27, 28). He is then sold to Egypt by the Medanites (37:36), but also by the Ishmaelites (39:1).
These contradictions are noted and explained by most of the medieval parshanim. Rashi (1040-1105), for example, suggests that Joseph was sold twice: the brothers sold Joseph to the Ishmaelites who then resold him to the Midianites.^Rashi’s grandson, Rashbam (1085-1158), suggests that the brothers never actually sold Joseph, but that while they were deliberating, a group of Midianites came, pulled Joseph out of the pit and sold him to the Ishmaelites^2]
More likely, the final form of Genesis has combined two versions of a similar story: a Judah and Ishmaelites version, and a Reuben and Midianites version.^ In the Judah story, the brothers are about to kill Joseph when Judah suggests selling him to the Ishmaelites, which they do. In the Reuben version, the brothers are about to kill Joseph when Reuben suggests throwing him in a pit. Later, Reuben sneaks back to the pit to save Joseph, but by then a group of Midianites have already found him and taken him away.
Reuben is Jacob’s firstborn (Genesis 29:32) who lost his primogeniture because he had sex with Bilhah, his father’s secondary wife (35:22, 49:3-4). This reflects the tribe of Reuben’s loss of prominence and eventual disappearance during the time when the Northern Kingdom was still in existence. Judah, Leah’s fourth son, comes into dominance later on and plays a decisive role in the family reunification in Egypt. The two versions here reflect the struggle between these two groups, with the redacted text reflecting Judah as winner. Nevertheless, the memory of the Reuben group’s dominance, long lost, persists.
Literary Doublets: Joseph’s Punishment
Joseph is punished in twos. For example, he is first thrown into a pit, then into prison. He is stripped naked twice: once his brothers take his ketonet (meaning of Hebrew uncertain), then he leaves his clothing to Madam Potiphar.
Literary Explanation 1: Multiplying Difficulties
These repetitions highlight the grave dangers that befall Joseph. The more difficulties the future hero faces, from his birth or even earlier,M the more impressive his eventual achievements; the more obstacles he clears, the more competent he will be to lead;^] the more he withstands sexual temptation by married women, such as Madam Potiphar (chap. 39), the more trustworthy and ethical, the less impeachable, he would seem. From Sargon to Oedipus and beyond, the hero’s trajectory to power and authority is not complete without overcoming complications that would have reduced a lesser man. But this answer still feels insufficient. It makes sense that the text would multiply ordeals, but why two ordeals of the same nature?
Literary Explanation 2: Joseph Needs Two Rounds of Ordeals
As Bereshit Rabba (84:7-22; 86-88) and other later midrashim point outJ6^ Joseph starts out as an arrogant, foolish youngster, and throughout his stay at Potiphar’s house, it is not at all clear that he is completely blameless and free of conceit. He is still in need of education; in the language of the sages, he needs to undergo another test. He needs to show that he is either naturally righteous, never feeling temptation, or that he can control his desire with the Egyptian woman, along the lines of “Who is a hero? He who controls his desire” (Avoth 4:l)J7]Thus, another round is necessary for the schooling process of this young man. He will be on trial until he learns humility, which he finally shows with the interpretation of the Egyptian courtiers’ dreams, which are also doubled.^
The Meaning of Dreams in the Ancient Near East
Joseph tells two dreams that are one: both are symbolic visions of his future rule over his family members. His dreams do not require interpretation,as evidenced by the brothers’ resentment. The courtiers’ dreams are also paired: although they require interpretation-a different one for each-they prove correct in due course.
Since Freud, Jung and their successors, it is customary to interpret dreams as expressions of inner states of consciousness, processing past and present experience, wishes, fears and desires. Dreams in the ancient world are conceptualized otherwise: they are understood as predictions of the future, coming from God or gods as a divine portent.
The Doubling of the Dreams
But why are all the dreams (Joseph’s, the courtiers’, later Pharaoh’s) arranged in pairs, when the first pair always has wheat in itj10! and the second bolsters the meaning of the first?
The ‘wheat’ element functions as an early hint for Joseph’s later career, where he provides wheat for the Egyptians (Gen 41:47-57) and later for his brothers (Gen 42:19, 45:5-7). These repetitions do not derive from different sources, but are for emphasis, in order to foreground the single emphatic meaning of the double dream (Joseph’s, Pharaoh’s). That the middle pair - the courtiers’ dreams - is a variation, two dreams with contrasting meanings, strengthens the argument that the other repetitions serve a literary function.
Judah: A Story that is more than just about an Individual
Although Joseph is the main protagonist of the end of Genesis, the story in ch. 38 focuses on Judah, which seems intrusive here. Rashi writes (for 38:1) that the placement of the story here reflects the brothers’ displeasure at their father’s mourning, and consequendy less respect for Judah because he advised selling Joseph instead of bringing him back to his father^11]
Rashi’s fundamental insight that the chapter’s place here reflects conflicts between the brothers seems sound. The Joseph story is about Joseph, but not only about him. It is also about Judah, and to a lesser extent about Reuben. It is not only a story about individuals and their jealousy, but also about related kin groups that josde for power, prestige, political clout and land (food! wheat!). These conflicts are projected back on to their eponymous ancestors. We are, therefore, reminded at this point, and later in the next parashot, that Judah is still a contender for Jacob’s promise, although Joseph seems like his father’s preferred choice. But feelings about Judah-the ancestor of King David-are mixed: hence the ignoble tale about his illicit dealings with Tamar.
Some Methodological Reflections
Modem biblical scholarship has a wide variety of methods-it does not believe that one solution solves all problems. The Joseph story is unusually complex, both in terms of its contents and its long compositional history. It is rife with contradictions and doublets. Yet, one method cannot solve all of these problems; in some cases, diachronic solutions, suggesting that the text has developed over time, resolve the problems; while in others, synchronic solutions, suggesting that doublets reflect emphasis, are more satisfactory. Different readers, however, may prefer different solutions, or different combinations of solutions, to these same problems.
Joseph is the constellation Sagittarius and his realm includes Capricorn (Zebulun), Aquarius (Reuben), and Pisces (Simeon). He represents winter and the season of sharing/charity.
stop copy pasting stuff you don't know about you are a joke, same as this guy above
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Facts bother you little boy?
@@fordprefect5304
Nahor.. means snorter....can you guess why he gets Sagittarius?
@@harveywabbit9541 Let me guess
It is a black hole at the center of the galaxy?
10:45 - IP is saying Judges 8:22-24 proves Ishmaelite and Midianite were the same… it says exactly the opposite! In Judges 8, Gideon goes to fight the Midianites. On the way he asks the people of Sukkoth and Peniel for food and water, which they do not provide. Gideon returns to the people of Sukkoth and Peniel AFTER DESTROYING THE MIDIANITES and conquers Sukkoth and Peniel.
Immediately after conquering Sukkoth and Peniel, the Israelites ask Gideon to be their king because he saved them from the Midianites. He refuses, and says “give me the earrings you got as spoil…” Who did he just finish conquering? The rulers of Sukkoth and Peniel - who are DECIDEDLY NOT MIDIANITES. So, the most logical conclusion is that the people of SUKKOTH AND PENIEL were Ishmaelites, and therefore, NOT Midianites.
Jdg 8:24 NET Gideon continued, “I would like to make one request. Each of you give me an earring from the plunder you have taken.” (The Midianites had gold earrings because they were Ishmaelites.)
For me I'm just like simple solution they planned to sell to one group but came across another group sooner. Like if I plan to go to BP for gas but decided to get it while I'm already at Costco
Interestingly if they were literally Ishmaelites they would of been third cousins.
Abraham genealogy isn't that far from Ishmael or Jacob. Let alone Joseph and the merchants
20:25 or Hagrites were the leaders of the coalition
It seems that there is some interpretation on where the pronouns point to. I wonder if this is not a problem for literalists.
his brothers?
What about Abel and his acceptable sacrifice?
What about it? Seriously, what are you asking? Abel did EXACTLY what he was supposed to do. He gave a blood sacrifice from his flock. Cain did not. He decided to do things his own way. What he should have done was take those fruits to his brother and trade them for an acceptable animal sacrifice. Cain knew the requirements and blatantly ignored them. With respect, what part of any of that is confusing or unclear?
@@John-fk2ky 🚫Flesh Eating and burnt Offerings:
❤️ This really deep deception!!! Going through our cannon there are several verses that ABA NEVER wanted any blood sacrifices!!!
This is very understandable if we go back to The Garden of Eden and OUR CREATOR’S original intent for man! Our food was vegetation. THE FATHER is The CREATOR of life!!! How could HE take pleasure in burning of any flesh ???!!!
Supporting verses:
Psalm 50: 7 Hear, O my people, and I will speak; O Israel, and I will testify against thee: I am God, even thy God. 8 I will not reprove thee for thy sacrifices or thy burnt offerings, to have been continually before me. 9 I will take no bullock out of thy house, nor he goats out of thy folds. 10 For every beast of the forest is mine, and the cattle upon a thousand hills. 11 I know all the fowls of the mountains: and the wild beasts of the field are mine.
12 If I were hungry, I would not tell thee: for the world is mine, and the fulness thereof. 13 Will I eat the flesh of bulls, or drink the blood of goats? 14 Offer unto God thanksgiving; and pay thy vows unto the most High: 15 And call upon me in the day of trouble: I will deliver thee, and thou shalt glorify me.
16 But unto the wicked God saith, What hast thou to do to declare my statutes, or that thou shouldest take my covenant in thy mouth? 17 Seeing thou hatest instruction, and castest my words behind thee.
Jeremaiah 7: 21 Thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel; Put your burnt offerings unto your sacrifices, and eat flesh. 22 For I spake not unto your fathers, nor commanded them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices: 23 But this thing commanded I them, saying, Obey my voice, and I will be your God, and ye shall be my people: and walk ye in all the ways that I have commanded you, that it may be well unto you. 24 But they hearkened not, nor inclined their ear, but walked in the counsels and in the imagination of their evil heart, and went backward, and not forward. 25 Since the day that your fathers came forth out of the land of Egypt unto this day I have even sent unto you all my servants the prophets, daily rising up early and sending them: 26 Yet they hearkened not unto me, nor inclined their ear, but hardened their neck: they did worse than their fathers.
Isaiah 1: 10 Hear the word of the LORD, ye rulers of Sodom; give ear unto the law of our God, ye people of Gomorrah. 11 To what purpose is the multitude of your sacrifices unto me? saith the LORD: I am full of the burnt offerings of rams, and the fat of fed beasts; and I delight not in the blood of bullocks, or of lambs, or of he goats.
12 When ye come to appear before me, who hath required this at your hand, to tread my courts? 13 Bring no more vain oblations; incense is an abomination unto me; the new moons and sabbaths, the calling of assemblies, I cannot away with; it is iniquity, even the solemn meeting. 14 Your new moons and your appointed feasts my soul hateth: they are a trouble unto me; I am weary to bear them. 15 And when ye spread forth your hands, I will hide mine eyes from you: yea, when ye make many prayers, I will not hear: your hands are full of blood. 16 Wash you, make you clean; put away the evil of your doings from before mine eyes; cease to do evil; 17 Learn to do well; seek judgment, relieve the oppressed, judge the fatherless, plead for the widow.
Isaiah 66: 1 Thus saith the LORD, The heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool: where is the house that ye build unto me? and where is the place of my rest? 2 For all those things hath mine hand made, and all those things have been, saith the LORD: but to this man will I look, even to him that is poor and of a contrite spirit, and trembleth at my word.
3 He that killeth an ox is as if he slew a man; he that sacrificeth a lamb, as if he cut off a dog's neck; he that offereth an oblation, as if he offered swine's blood; he that burneth incense, as if he blessed an idol. Yea, they have chosen their own ways, and their soul delighteth in their abominations. 4 I also will choose their delusions, and will bring their fears upon them; because when I called, none did answer; when I spake, they did not hear: but they did evil before mine eyes, and chose that in which I delighted not.
Food Was Bread:
Nehemiah 9:15 And (a)gavest them bread from heaven for their hunger, and
(b) broughtest forth water for them out of the rock for their thirst, and promisedst them that they (c)should go in to possess the land which thou hadst sworn to give them.
Cross References:
a.
Numbers 14:30
Exodus 16:14,15
John 6:31
b.
Exodus 17:6
Numbers 20:9-13
c.
Deu 1:8
I guess this is a technicality but is one a slave when they are captured but before they are put to work? Wouldn't they just be an abductee at that point? They could just be imprisoned. When the captured people actually do work then they become slaves.
Look at the Mayans. They captured people to be sacrificed. Those people wouldn't be considered slaves.
the midianites are the ishmaelites
It was very common throughout history for slave owners to be able to kill their slaves -- even the Myans would (normally) sacrifice slaves when their owners passed. Slavery itself has much in common with being a prisoner (poor diets, restricted activities, restriction via chains). In other words -- it's a bit of a difference without a distinction.
That is one of the ways of obtaining a slave. Even the African slave trade has something like that, an African tribe attacking enemy tribes to sell the captives to the Europeans. I am not sure but the Islamic system has something like that too.
Hi @501Moebius, an interesting point. I suspect the word choice is influenced by the motive behind the capture. Otherwise John Newton wouldn't have been a slave trader, he would have been a "captured -Africans-who-were-on-their-way-to-becoming-slaves-but-who-hadn't-done-any-work-for-him trader" 😉
@@DarrenGedye Right. I was just thinking about a scenario where someone is captured to be a slave and transported to a place and then released at the destination. Were they ever slaves?
"Illusory" not "illusionary" LOL!
6:17 this idea comes from your incorrect supposing these are the words of god and thus unchanged rather than realizing these were humans and big shock here, humans are not perfect and they error. So no issue here at all
The answer is both!
You can find clearly in the bible that the Ishmaelites were midianites, it says that the midianites were merchants who were also Ishmaelites!
Midianites were middlemen and the Ishmaelites were Egyptians.
AMEN brothers and sisters in Christ our Lord and God bless ya brother Inspiring Philosophy's Apologetics ministry showing how consistent The Bible's historicity is. Jesus Christ of Nazareth changed the world by everything that He said and did in His public appearances in the ancient world being recorded in a series of books written by a handful of Jewish fishermen, scribes, physicians and outcasts who carried on His Will for generations up until two millennia later in our time. This has nothing and everything to do with the video but please listen if you want to otherwise leave it alone and ignore it. Hello my name is Justin and I'm a Christian and Apologist but I'm also a college student. I'm not a closed minded Theist as I have nothing against Atheists or unbelievers as I speak to them often to understand their reasons for unbelief but we as Christians are convinced of God's Existence due to many real factors). I'm not trying to convert anyone or convince anyone to become Christians as that's The Holy Spirit's job to help people believe but only explain why I believe in Jesus Christ. There's actually evidence of God's Existence in Christianity. First of all there's proof that Jesus of Nazareth existed in history since the writings of Tacitus, Josephus Flavius, Pliny the younger and other historical documents prove that He was living two thousand years ago that even scholars both religious and Atheists agree with historically speaking but not that He's The Divine Son of God because obviously they don't.
I'm going to give you historical and archeological evidence for God's Existence as The Scriptures have prophecies that predate the events recorded in them by several millennia including Matthew, Hosea and Zechariah which prophesy accurately of the people of Israel becoming a nation again after over 1900 years of being scattered around the nations since the destruction of the Temple in Jerusalem in 70 A.D. spoken of by Christ in Matthew 23:29-24:3 and returning to their homeland after The Holocaust with Jerusalem as their capital in 1948 exactly as Jesus The Christ said. The prophets including Daniel spoke of the time where several world empires would arise and fall including the Babylonian kingdom, Medes and Persians, Roman Empire, and Saladin and the Muslims which went in consecutive order for the past few millennia. The people of Israel becoming a nation after The Holocaust in 1948 (ironically the melting point of gold as God compares Israel to gold that's tested in fire in Zechariah 13:8 and Jeremiah 16:15) exactly how Jesus The Christ said would happen since God us everything to come in The Scriptures and not just because people were working towards as Atheists claim which are impossible for any regular man to predict.
Just before anyone says Christianity is a white man's religion made to oppress blacks during slavery you obviously aren't aware that the first Christians were Jews in The Middle East and that Christianity just like any religion can be used by evil and corrupt people to oppress others but you forget that the first Abolitionists/Civil Rights activists were Christians who sought to abolish slavery, racism, segregation, injustice and prejudice throughout American history. Jesus The Christ loves you enough not to give you what we all deserve which is God's Wrath by His Own Blood. Charles Darwin didn't originally come up with The Theory of Evolution over 200 years ago as it is mentioned in the writings of Ancient Greeks who believed in Demons that gave knowledge to philosophers.
Evolution makes no sense when nothing has evolved after thousands of years of human history and supposedly the first creature came from primordial sludge several millions of years
ago funny how they won't believe that God an Eternal Almighty Spirit Being created us from the Earth) which came from a supermassive expansion of matter at high temperature that inexplicably created everything in the known universe that supposedly came from nothing billions of years ago. How did the organs evolve before there were bones, skin, substance and how did any creatures see before eyes evolved? I've studied evolution and abiogenesis in the past and read Darwin's " Origin of The Species" and I'm not convinced of macro Evolutionary biology but I accept micro Evolutionary biology like speciation and adaptation because there's no evidence of macro Evolutionary biology nor clear observable examples of it where living creatures evolve into other kinds of species plus the fact that fossils don't show evidence of evolution and genetic entropy rules out evolution. The question begs how did two genders evolve from a common ancestor with a perfectly hospitable and sustainable environment with breathable oxygen and resources to survive on inexplicably? Atheists have the burden of proof to explain how everything came to be and why our existence is possible without the Existence of God from an godless perspective just as Christians have to provide evidence of God's Existence and the validity of His Word.
Evolution requires life to already exist in order to take any effect in living organisms so it doesn't account for the existence of Life and reality. Also evolution is impossible because it goes against The Law of entropy and the second Law of thermodynamics because evolution makes things better whereas nothing continues to get better but decays and turns to absolute destruction in the end. Mark Ridley an Evolutionist said "No evolutionist whether gradualist or punctuationist uses the fossil record as evidence in favor of The Theory of Darwinian Evolution as opposed to special Creation". God's Existence is made perfectly known and observable in the universe as demonstrated in His Handiwork in the intelligently designed manner that Creation was made, human consciences and consciousness historical and archaeological evidence of God's Word being valid history, fulfillment of Bible Prophecies God in His Holiness and Righteousness could give us what we deserve in Hell for our since but He's merciful to give us free will to choose to accept or reject His gift of salvation by grace through faith in His Son Jesus. I don't mean this is any condescending manner but if you'd like to discuss The Scriptures with me or have me listen to your view on anything my instagram account is Savage Christian Kombatant
*Jesus Christ of Nazareth*
Except there was no Nazareth in the first century
So right off the bat you are wrong and believing in a history that never happened.
Just like IP presents a history that never happened.
Helloo brother, do you think our Bible is not accurate as it is ? Because there are so many contradictions... thank you
He has a while series on dose supposed Bint contradictions
Who are those source critics? Were they there? After thousands of years these sources rise up and want to correct the original account. Why? To spread lies.
Joseph's trip to Egypt (sun in southern hemisphere) aka "winter."
Sun in winter was always known as the hidden one-Sether, whose cabalistic number is 666 (Rev. 13.18). Thus, in Job 13. 24: "Wherefore hidest thou thy face, and boldest me for thine enemy?" (see also Ps. 44.24, and 98. 14; and the Seals of the Planets in Barrett’s Magus.)
Does learning the truth bother you?
14:02 no it wouldn’t be like this at all. Unless the text claimed the US followed gods order and the text was claimed to be divine. A claimed divine text is not the same as historical text, stop making this false comparison
Waaait a minute... Joseph also has a chiastic structure, just like the flood and creation accounts? At this point just list all the chiastic structures of the 'two accounts' narrative and throw in some psalms for good measure 😂
After all, they're poetry and chiastic structure would help them sing and/or recite, ie remember
The Egyptian Tale of Two Brothers, Anpu and Bata, was used by bible assemblers in the myth of Joseph (Earth). The story of Zeus/Jupiter abducting Ganymede became Exodus 19.4. The God of the mythical Moses is obviously Zeus/Jupiter.
@@harveywabbit9541 Exodus was composed before any intermingling with Greece or Rome
@@davidadamovic1950
Exodus is the apparent rising of the sun from the winter solstice to the spring equinox. The escape from Egypt (winter) is celebrated as Passover. December 25 and March 25 are significant dates in this myth.
@@davidadamovic1950These guys are schizos. Ignore them. It's like Jordan Maxwell level "Supernatural --> Soup a natural --> primordial soup. Therefore, we came from primordial soup".
4:58 this is so illogical I can’t help but facepalm. You find it odd that someone taking two separate narratives could combine to make a better flowing story? Take a single writing class and you’ll see how insane your reasoning is
Do you know Hebrew?
The bible could have just said merchants and it would be still ok.
It’s almost like the documentary hypothesis is a load of fabricated, unsubstantiated, outdated, speculative, arbitrary, overly-skeptical garbage. 🤔
On the flight of Joseph.
Jupiter had a sister-wife (Sorer et conjux) Juno. The Grecian Zeus took Hera, his sister, to wife. (Keightley's Myth., p. 85.) The Scandinavian Thor and the Indian Indra were counterparts of the Zeus and Jupiter of the Greeks and Romans. The latter, Indra, being once covered all over with the symbols of his concupiscence, was named "the profligate lord of the gods." (Moor's Hindu Pantheon, p. 264.) As these lords all personify spring, the love season, these facts may be readily accounted for. Here, too, it was that Noah got drunk, as we have seen, and lost his virility; and again, it was the very spot where Joseph, as we shall hereafter find, being impotent, forfeited his cloak to the beautiful wife of his master and fled, rather than expose his weakness. (Gen.39:12.)
Noah is also Osiris of the Egyptian mythos.
@@harveywabbit9541 1) What does any of this have to do with what I said?
2) What on God’s green earth are you talking about? How does any of that prove that Joseph and Noah are counterparts to pagan gods? None of what you’ve said (which I can barely follow because it’s close to being word salad) leads to your conclusions.
@@ryanhoward8694
Without Vesta (Earth) the wife of Saturn, you would not have a green earth.
@@ProdigalSon100 I advise you to actually bring an argument to the table rather than empty insults and intellectual postering. I also advise you to check out K.A. Kitchen’s “Ancient Orient and Old Testament”, particularly the first section of chapter 6. Even in the ‘60s, Kitchen was showing how the documentary hypothesis is extremely arbitrary, speculative, and unsupported by the text, manuscript evidence, and archaeology.
@@ProdigalSon100 Bro, what are you talking about? I’m challenging the documentary hypothesis concerning the Pentateuch which is a product of old school source criticism. Do you know what the documentary hypothesis is? Did you even actually watch this video?
Crazy how many different interpretations there are. I feel like the easiest explanation is to just read it as is. Brothers put him in a pit, thought about selling him into slavery but when they returned, the midianites had already pulled him from the pit and sold him to the ishmaelites. I don't think anything needs changed or anything has been changed. And I don't think we need to pretend ishmaelites and midianites are the same people either. It clearly says midianites sold him to the Ishmaelites
In ancient times the months were designated as trees, each bearing its appropriate fruit. Joseph was the son (fruit) of the tree (month) by the well (winter). This is the month November. The word Joseph signifies addition; or Joseph is something to which something is added. But Joseph's "branches run over the wall," i.e., over the previous eight months, during which the crops were grown, gathered, put in market by November, and afterward sold to the Midianites or middle-men.
Joseph dreamed two dreams; In the first he was binding sheaves in the field with his brethren, "when, lo, his sheaf stood upright, while his brothers' sheaves stood round about, and made obeisance to his sheaf.' In the second the sun, moon and stars, (zodiacal constellations), make obeisance to him (the twelfth) Gen. 37.9 9. Both were to the same import, viz., that all must subsist upon the stores laid by for winter. "And his brethren (the eleven zodiacal constellations, exclusive of Sagittarius) envied him, but his father observed the saying" (Gen. 37.11). After this Joseph's father sent him out of the vale of Hebron (autumn, when grain was sowed), to Shechem (Taurus of spring, when the grain ripens), to look after his brethren. On his way the poor boy got lost (the grain was not up yet), but a certain man (Aquarius) found him, (i.e., the grain began to grow) and sent him on his way to Dothan (the latter rain of spring, when wheat harvest is approaching). At Dothan Joseph found his brethren, who were looking for him. Afar off they espied him, when they said to one another: "Behold this dreamer cometh," and, conspiring together, took him (the gathered crop) and threw him into a pit (granary).' Scarcely had they done this when some Midianites (men of strife) merchantmen, coming along, they drew him up out of the pit (such are used to-day in that country for granaries) and sold him to the Ishmaelites (the people in winter). To exculpate themselves, they having dipped it in the blood of a kid (the goat of December) slain for that purpose, exhibited poor Joseph's bloody coat to their father; i.e. they showed the reddish hue of the frost-killed vegetation
@@harveywabbit9541 sounds good. Lol so january and March tried to sell November into slavery to the Egyptians
@@harveywabbit9541 so Jesus didn't die but was made to look like he died. And we just eat him in our loaves of bread all winter because he's actually just wheat. I mean I'm following you, just not sure I get your point
@@joshdb142
Bread and wine are symbols of spring and summer. Flesh and the hunter would be winter.
At one time, the year was divided into winter (Shem/Nahor) Nov - Feb, spring (Japheth/Abram) Mar - Jun, and summer (Ham/Haran) Jul - Oct.
You can see this in Isaiah 9.14-15, where the biblical Israel (summer) is composed of Leo (royalty/nobility), Virgo (palm branch), Libra (water plant), and Scorpio (liar).
You can see how Scorpio is used as tail of Israel and as the "head" of winter when the year is divided into seven months of summer and five months of winter. The writers did a lot of double counting of the signs. Genesis one divides the year into six nights (months) of darkness/winter (Libra thru Pisces) and six days (months) of light/summer (Aries thru Virgo). This is modified by taking Libra and adding it to the six "days." Libra is often associated with sheba (7). Libra became Saturn day of the Jews. You will find the balance/scales in this sign. Libra is the first southern constellation and is called "firstborn" of the Egyptians (winter).
The people in the Bible were not white lol I know this because Moses was raised by Egyptians and he looked like one of them, also Jesus Christ hid in Egypt and once again he looked like one of them that's how he blended in, otherwise herod and his men would of caught him.
Problems, one they weren't white so you're right about that, they were however middle eastern.
Second Moses (if he existed) and the Egyptians did probably share a similar skintone the only thing is the Egyptians depicted themselves as a bit of a tanned brown color and separated themselves from how the nubians looked.
Third Egypt was a multi ethnic culture therefore there was an array of skintones there and this included very light skinned (although still not white) people and then also very dark skinned people (such as nubians or some native Egyptians)
Fourth herod and his men didn't go look for Jesus in Egypt and fifth Jesus would've blended in with egypts multiethnic culture because all the people in Egypt were from around that area so he most likely had tanned brownish color skin.
I agree with your initial statement that the people in the bible aren't white but I hope that doesn't mean you're implying the other extreme that ppl in the bible were black.
For more on Egyptians skin color I'd recommend this video th-cam.com/video/jnGfzEj12mk/w-d-xo.html
Mr. Truth 777, I can see you are another person obsessed with a person's skin color. Get over it already. Because it is a fact that most of the crime that is committed against minorities. Is perpetrated by other minorities. And Also when minorities start making a lot of money. They almost always move into white neighborhoods,now why is that? And don't bother to even think about calling me a racist. I am a Native American Indian!
I mean DUH OBVIOUSLY they're ancient Hebrews and Israelites not Europeans 😂
I'm not saying Jesus was white, but there was a community of Jews in Egypt. Also, there is no way that Herod could know where in the world they are if they just get up and go to a different country. It's not like they are rock stars.
Egyptians and the people who lived there did not all look alike.
I recommend looking into this topic more.
Slavery (bible) is the winter (non-productive) season of hardship. Winter relies upon Summer to feed it (charity). One division of the year has seven months of "summer" and five months of "winter." See Rev. 9.5, where winter, the season that can harm man, is described as five months. The leader is the scorpion, who is despised throughout the bible.
Hey big guy you found this nonsense tool. You do know I am the only person who understands your comments.
Take care, see yo around.
@@fordprefect5304
That constellation is blamed for all the bad things that happen. He is called Satan, father lies and even the devil. Note in Isaiah 9.14-15, he is called the tail of Israel.
Let me take a guess here, God? Did God sell him into slavery, lol?
That Old Testament God was something, no?
You will find the Egyptian Set/Seth who became the Greek Typhon all over the O.T. This is the character (Adoni/Adonai) who closed the ark of Noah. The door in the side of the ark, is the autumn equinox and the window (exit) is the spring equinox. The waters (winter/rainy season) prevailed for 150 days. This is the five months of Revelation 9.5.
LOL my favorite charlatan throws another straw to gullible believers who will grasp at anything to support there beliefs in a history that never happened.😝
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂I swear