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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 11 ก.ค. 2024
- In this video I take a look at the alleged bomber from fallout 4 and 76, Arc Jet's Stingray Deluxe. Enjoy at least a snickers fun sized candy bar of lore, and a lot of disappointment from an enthusiastic Spydingo.
Hope you enjoy!
Spydingo
Music: Thanks to the talented artists that contributed to TH-cam's audio library.
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I thought the stingray in the mural wasn't then on the moon but maybe depicting a bombing run or some other air strike at night and the artist decided that it would blend best there.
I completely agree
Yes, the planes are destroying a Chinese tank (you can tell it's Chinese because there's only one main gun, not two like American tanks in Fallout. Also the colors used to depict the Stingrays match the tank and the explosions. Probably the planes destroying the tank references the Alaska campaign.
@@cmarano its a m26 ww2 tank, its in the ww2 section of the mural, and its firing its gun
@@lukav3509 Hmn... int the same part of the mural is what looks like an Sikorsky H-19 Chickasaw helo. This leads to the question, did the Korean War happen in the Fallout Universe? While the M-26 was used in the closing stages of WWII ti was used more extensively in the Korean War. Also, the tank in the mural might just as easily be an M-46. Anyway, we know for sure that there weren't tanks on the Moon. :-)
@@cmarano so it probably means that they started relying on nuclear power somewhere after the korean war maybe? and not immediately after the end ww2
This plane always wierded me out, it seemed strange to not just reuse the F-84s from FO3's Rivet City with a facelift
I'd actually say the F-84s or maybe P-80 looking vehicle wouldn't be a great approach either. Sure those platforms absolutely work, they just don't make any sense given the other tech in the fallout universe. I'd love if they met in the middle between atompunk aesthetics and functionality. That being said though, between the two, yeah, I'd take the FO3 jets hands down.
@@spydingo Exactly my thoughts, I was mostly taking the 'existing model' route for it, but a new aircraft entirely would outclass both options.
the ones in F3 are for carrier role
@@spydingo I feel as though the f-80s are out of place but the f84 wouldn't be. The f84 was modified to high hell and has some prototypes that honestly seem like fallout vehicles (see thunderscreech and the grf-84f). Speaking of the grf84f, I think the perfect choice for a fallout aircraft was the b-36 but I don't know if it was ever considered. They genuinely took a nuclear reactor and put it in a b36 for testing.
Same
Bethesda went too far into the science fiction. In Fallout 2, there's an actual space shuttle. This thing is an in-atmosphere fighter. Maybe they could stick it onto a launch rocket, but I don't see this thing surviving reentry.
I agree, not a chance this thing could survive reentry, or space in general. Also given the awkward shape of this things belly, it would be nightmare to try and strap this thing to any kind of rocket I'd bet. I'll admit that the Tesla corsair depiction looks alright for in atmosphere operations, but it is still not great.
This thing was supposed to be used on the Moon War along with conventional rockets, it was supposed to be transported to a moon airbase via shuttle, and used in dogfighting so it would not be partaking in direct flights to and from Earth
@@spydingo I imagine Bethesda would say it's made out of one of their fictional metals, maybe saturnine, for reentry. As for flying in space; it's easier to imagine since most of the aerodynamics wouldn't matter. I just dont like that they abandoned so much of the first three games realism, in favour of 50s sci fi
There is literally not a single mention of this being space-capable, the guy in the video just made that up
Yeah... anymore bethsoft just slaps rivets onto something and calls it retro. The majority of all the military technology ever implemented or even conceptualized by these guys make zero sense.
For a bunch of folks making a franchise about the 1950's military industrial complex, they seem to know shockingly little about the subject.
This is a well thought-out analysis of a wildly confusing aircraft. Why would you make a spaceplane riveted?! I appreciate the changes you made to the Stingray in your take on it, but now that makes me wonder where the intake placement would go. Maybe on the front of the wings?
Keep up the great work! I love looking at weird and wacky vehicles too, and your analyses of the ones in Fallout is always a delight to watch
I don't mind it so much as generally the aviation industry does use rivets since non Ferris metals generally are the go to construction material and I don't really buy this thing as being space capable, but I couldn't resist the chance to go all out with some space theming lol. That's a good question, I'm not entirely sure how an Arc Jet works, but I'm not sure it actually requires an intake.
Thank you! That's certainly the goal!
Inconel rivets. Each one costs $300.
@@Penultimeat jeez
I don't really think the mural was supposed to infer that this was a spacecraft at all, it just blends into the sea of tranquility panel, i feel like its more likely to be something like the invasion of mainland China or something, however if it is a spacecraft it is worth mentioning that the plan for it to re-enter may be for it to slow down propulsively and use actively cooled hull plaiting or even never re-enter at all and just be based on one of the space stations, as for ascent it probably was lifted into space with a rocket
I agree with this, although this thing would be hard to attach to a rocket externally I'd imagine due to its curved fuselage design, so it would make more sense to be lifted internally. That would make one big rocket though.
The stingray deluxe is such a strange 'retro future' fighter, its not really based on anything like the cars in the setting, same goes for the strange double barreled tank. I wish they had actually designed an interesting jet, and this was some kind of like personal luxury jet, and that actual fighters were seen on the tarmac at boston airport. I dunno the designs in fallout 4 are so far from the previous depictions in 3 and new vegas that it makes them seem tottaly unrealistic to look at.
I agree wholeheartedly with this. The jets we have gotten are awful. They are either nuts like the Stingray Deluxe, or just mild reskins of the Lockheed P-80 like the jets found on rivet city.
@@spydingo I always in my head canon atleast, liked to think the P-80's were mothball fighters that they pulled into service just at the end of the war, I know there is alot of info that contradicts that but 3 and new vegas were really really just the 1950's but with laser guns and robots. And while I praise fallout 4 for taking a more atomic punk future (less desielpunk) it seems so bright and well clean in comparison. I dunno it just dosent have the same oomph the old games had, I KNOW!
It dosent feel lived in, its like a dream of what the future would be like, it dosent have that realism, say like star wars, its got a lived in feel because (atleast in the origional series) everything was made using modern earth materials to give things a realistic look.
@@Pathfinder118 i preferred 3s gothic aesthetic fallout 4 just look like a tele-tubby puked a pack of crayons everywhere and i feel like the art style needed a few more design iterations or maybe a few less. its even worse when you see the concept art and it looks really good and doesn't look like a rainbow jizzed on my screen.
@@boxfoxscoot1614 lolol thats a great way to put it.
@@spydingo quiza sea por que boston es una "watoga" primitiva, no? Hablo de que es una ciudad futurista, y siendo una de las mas importantes para los estados unidos de 2077, es logico que tenga lo mas avanzado en tecnologia, aunque si es raro que no haya aviones de otro tipo, pero que en apalachia si los haya podria confirmar que solo estaban en areas de menor importancia... nah... solo es pereza de bethesda 🤣🤣🤣
The design of the stingray is actually based on a design for a hypersonic biplane design where the second wing sort of catches the shockwave. The in game design seems to be the nasa design with an f3h shoved up it's rear. The actual idea of it would be to have it ride the narrow band where the wing actually works.
I have a suggestion for a Fallout vehicle in the future video. The Chimera tank from the Operation Anchorage dlc simulation.
Despite the fact that not everything that happens in the simulation is accurate, I believe that the capabilities of the Chinese are accurate. We see their special forces, the Crimson Dragoons, using the Stealth suits, and we get the shock sword as a reward in the bunker. The spider drones enemies that show up are probably also accurate, given the Liberators and their mentioned earlier models from Fallout 76. So I believe that the Chimera Tanks are at least somewhat accurate to the actual events.
I'll certainly have to cover the Chimera. It provides insight into a different country, a different military strategy, and into mining in the fallout universe all in one. First though, I have to play enough fallout 3 to get to Anchorage and given the amount of time I've been spending on videos, it will be a while lol.
Could you maybe do a video of meta analysis? I.e. vehicles like the Stingray are obviously going for 'Rule of Cool' aesthetic over anything else, but I think an overview video on what that says would be interesting
Also I'm absolutely up for videos on the Mars Shot and the other subjects you mentioned!
Hmm, I'm not sure I'm completely following your suggestion. Are you meaning I analysis the design decisions that might have lead to the end result of the Stringray?
Cool! I hope others are too!
Another great video! Glad to see my idea of what your design would look like inspired you. Keep up the good work
Thanks! And thanks for adding another segment idea to my toolbelt!
you should cover the weird planes that were on the deck of Rivet city or at the air ports in new vegas. soo many vehicles and stuff to cover and im always excited to see you drop another video. ^^
And rivet city herself would be a great time to bring back the Rivets rant! I'm sure I will find myself covering em' sometime. I'm glad you are! The next two videos I'm thinking of doing are a bit experimental in nature though, so apologies in advance if they fail to meet expectations.
@@spydingo you gotta experiment at times to make content . Don't worry about them meeting expectations . Just have fun with it and they will probably do well . Either way I'll watch them and give feedback if I see anything ^^
I hazard a guess as to what those planes are. I THINK that they were modified from the F-80 Shooting Star.
Please explore more of the Mars Shot Project, that sounds very fascinating! Gnerally space travel in Fallout would be fun to hear about!
Another great video, hope you do one about the Prydwen soon!
Thanks! Me too, soo many videos I'd like to do and yet so little time!
nice video! Love picking apart things for the rule of cool. but more so how you would go about fixing them.
Thanks! I'm hoping to do that type of segment more often!
That commonwealth flag in space transition was super slick
That I cannot deny
Great stuff, i appreciate trying to fix the stingray into something semi useable.
Thanks! I'm glad you appreciated it. It was fun exercise to try.
Given that the mural is a temopral progression and shows the plane flying from the explosion behind a tank (looks like a mobile artillery like an M-109), I always thought of it as a point that these planes served from whenever this arty served to the time that the lunar wars took place.
Also oh my God this channel is so good, so goddamn high quality
Thanks I try! . . .Maybe a bit to hard at times lol
It would be really interesting just to get a grasp on everything fallout 4 did or put in space. I have tried to track down as much as possible about the war in the sea of tranquility and vault-tec amongst the stars but I didn't find much. I do remember seeing some rockets orbiting a planet or planets in a building somewhere but it's been a bit and I can't recall where that was. Might have been repcon interior when siding with BOS.
I'd like to see an in depth USSA video, The crashed space station alone in Fallout 76 infers a very highly advanced space administration.
Van Buren, while not canon, may still he an influence and depicts the US government still existing on a space station. The vault of the future in Nuka World also implies that space colonization is seen as a near-future goal.
The fuselage shape seems like it will be perfect for a belly flop
i think the mural part is just suppose to be on the side of the space part like it feels more like is bombing the tanks than the space part
The Stingray always just made me think of a pelican’s mouth. Something like the A-6 Intruder would’ve been so much more fitting for Fallout.
Whats good about the wing engines is that they can provide more force behind steering as wether the fins be up or down, the energy passing from the outside of the engines will allow for dramatic bonuses in maneuverability for such small fins. The braced wings could be a way to limit the amount of movement that super powerful engines cause to the wings when they are having air pass through them at sonic speeds, but since combustion takes place outside of the plane, i cant imagine it being that useful. The antenna is probably just a way to receive radio call signs as most of fallout is analog based and tech is mostly stuck in the sixties, meaning its not unlikely to see this on a plane when the pipboy is still about 8x thicker than a tablet computer. Also, the wings fold up, which not only helps with storage space, but with proper guards, could be seen as a descent leverage for climbing to the cockpit. The two side windows i dont understand aside from maybe fusion core storage directly next to the engines, and considering power output, likely wouldnt be too far off from having the ability to power one engine alone, but two with current advancements in tech in fallout? Yeah idk man, guessing is fun tho, makes mr handy look like a set of clouds that you and your friend try to guess the shapes of. Its fun because it has no set path
The Bulbous growth lookin things beside the cockpit could possibly be some sort of radomes?
That's an interesting thought, though I would find it odd that two antennas would be needed, in addition to the janky wire antenna that she has mounted on the back of her fuselage. Although I'm generally all for redundancy in aircraft, so if we remove the wire antenna, I like this explanation.
Your version of the plane reminds me of the Me163 Komet
Hold up, I just realized something about the mural: the battleship's hull number is 63, and the only battleship I know of that has the hull number 63 is the Iowa-class fast battleship USS Missouri and she only has three triple mount turrets, not four, that's the Montana-class battleship concept. I wonder if she and her sister ships were broken up and rebuilt as Montana-class ships in the Fallout universe.
I could understand it working as a hypersonic capable fighter.
4:00 The soveit space shuttle (Energia Buran) has a small jet engine, so it is capable of powered atmospheric flight
man your animations are sick
not gunna lie, I'm pretty proud of the intro to this video!
@@spydingo wow thanks for taking the time to respond to me and all the other commentors, it's really genuine and wholesome. I enjoyed watching the rest of your content, the topics are right up my alley and I appreciate your unique graphics. I'll be there for the next one!
Your redesign is a substantial upgrade. I expect more than a few modders will be begging to use your design. I also agree with other posters who feel it makes more sense as an attack plane than a fighter. As an aerospace craft it not only makes no sense, it also has no reason to exist. The Delta IX rocket already existed and makes a much better platform to convert into a space fighter. My actual view of the Stingrays in the mural is the same as the P-80s, an inexcusable idiotic mistake. At least with the mural I can somewhat hand wave it as either:
A) In universe the artist or the person telling the artist what paint messed up.
B) Changes or frequent changes were ordered during the mural's creation and time ran out before the changes could be completed. (Deadline got pushed up or funding ran out.)
C) The boss or someone else preformed some executive meddling and insisted that Stingrays be added after it was finished even though it does not fit because they felt it would look cool.
The Delta IX rocket has its own problems as a replacement as it would contradict the XVB02 information shown in Fallout 3. But that can be dealt with as what is written on the exhibit is just the official story.
Thanks I'm glad you like it. Agreed, actual rockets make a lot more sense. If I got to pick I'd go with Option C, I can relate to it the most thanks to the day job lol.
This looks like a plane from Zeta Gundam
Seeing its bulky body, it either would host a really beefy reactor, or, tbh, I would put entrance to the ship at ventral point, somewhere at the back, with enginges being something akin to SABRE engines and internal space would not only be hosting nuclear reactor but also internal cabin for total crew of two - pilot and co-pilot since if this plane-ship would be space-worthy it would make sense for pilot to get to cockpit from the inside of the ship and having two people crew for long space missions so they can, for example, get to the Moon and then back to Earth and would have some living area with possible bunkbeds, a mini kitchen and a toilet (or at least some other kind of waste disposal system). We can even forego bunkbeds and just have some open space, by assuming that they only take long missions in space and space has no gravity (Well, it's Zero-G environment, I know, I know, it's not Zero Gravity and all that) so pilots will only require some space to latch themselves on. Missile or Bomb pilons and pods are definitely missing but what if we put pods into its bulky bois of wings? Or make 2 of those 4 panels actually missile pods on revolving pilons inside the ship? Antenna still will have to go though. I can see this ship as some sort of Star Wars bounty hunter ship though.
Holy hell the graphics are impressive!
Thanks! I got a little carried away with the first 20 secs or so I must admit.
Got some suggestions for you quite a few.
- the alien ships
- the fire truck in f76
- the prydwen
Also are you just doing vehicles, cause I would love to see you take a look at the design and practicality of vaults. Also I read somewhere that the canons are laser on the stingray.
Thanks for the suggestions!
The alien ship and prydwen will happen, its just a matter of when and I'll have to check out the fire truck.
I have just been looking at vehicles so far in an attempt to build a library of content I know there is an audience for, but I absolutely want to do experimental videos straying from that concept to see what else I can do. In fact I'm working on a slightly experimental video now. I like the idea of looking at vaults, would let me dive into the world of preppers for a while, plus I already have a decent vault door!
Please do more space-lore!
You can absolutely have an air breathing engine in space.
The SABRE engine is an engine currently in development that can switch between an air breathing ram jet mode, and an oxidizer fuel rocket engine mode.
It’s possible this plane is a single stage to orbit space plane with a similar engine, which would explain the existence of an air intake
If you had to make your plane that fat to squeeze a nuclear reactor for (Infinite range)/ deep enemy line self sufficiency and ground to space capabilities, I think it will be well worth it. If this thing can glide would be quiet dive bomber and stealth. Attacking form space heights is ludicrously difficult to shoot down. Fly by wire is probably a thing in Fallout. If this thing can hold cargo in the fat body too this thing will do wonders for logistics as well do it’s unlimited range.
Whatever the design, if it could accomplish these feats I have to give it a go ahead.
Alright that's official, Im deeply in love with this channel. I thought I was the only weird to analyze this kinda of things
I don't think that it is a spaceplane and I imagine that if the person who designed this jet was thinking on a braced wing or some sort of biplane. The antenna i think is inspired by some early 50s jet fighters
Personally I find this fighter beautiful but when i made a model to imagine the flight characteristics i find that it's not good at all.
I'm glad to hear it!
I agree, just added to the mural like that for artistic purposes.
I really whish I found the Stingray to be beautiful, but sadly I just really don't. I want my fighters to look sleek and deadly, not like overinflated boomerangs. A fact that is a little odd since I like boomerangs though.
I don't think this was intended to be a spaceplane. The Museum of Freedom mural "implies" that biplanes were used by the US in WW2 in the same fashion as it "implies" that the Stingray Deluxe was used on the moon or in outer space. Also, there are significantly less stars in the sky behind the Stingrays than in the moon section, which actually implies that they are being depicted on earth.
Ultimately, the Stingray is another product of Bethesda's complete lack of understanding on military subjects (I remember reading a terminal 76 where a U.S. Army Drill instructor called himself a "United States Armed Forces officer").
I swear to god I'll just design my own take on a Fallout Fighter
I think it might be a reference to Aerojet, now Aerojet Rocketdyne
Boy howdy, you arn't wrong, that rocket motif is very similar indeed!
@@spydingo Yea, they were the guys who made basically every NASA crew rate first stage engine from the Apollo program to the SLS now
The frontal main wing would make it flip every time I tried to make a turn.
If it were to ever be used as a shuttle it would need to go in reverse otherwise the areo forces would make it an fan.
As far as climbing into the cockpit, there seems to be a section on the underside of the nose with a yellow marker, maybe that's a boarding ramp? Also you say multiple times it couldn't work as a space plane, you're the only one that said it was a space plane
I was going to bring up both of those points. Saying it's a space plane based off of a deteriorated mural is a stretch.
I gotta admit, it's too bad that fallout didn't add a nuclear drone that would be similar to the Lodestar Drone in COD BO2, or an X-47B in our world, except maybe bigger and probably able to carry nukes. Also, I would like to see a breakdown of the Jetliner, aka the nuclear airliner.
Agreed, imagine what the fallout universe could do with drone tech.
Not sure when I'll get to the jetliner, but I'm sure I will. I have things to say about it as well and even a couple of mildly related real world examples that could be used.
Well, they have the Cargo-bots from Fallout 76. They are the smallest automated flying machine we have in Fallout, except for the Eyebots. Though, given how ED-E can get hacked by Ulysses, maybe you *could* use Eyebots as drones
@@tinaherr3856"Study Ulysses, and be ready."
My big thing with the Stingray is the thought of REPAIRING the damn thing. Also, since we haven't seen any heavier weapon that could be used in a fighter than a .50 cal (Yes, I'm ignoring the minigun), then I would reckon that the ArcJet Stingray is a ground attack craft. Call my crazy but
Agreed, I think that repairing most of these vehicles I've looked at would be a nightmare, but maybe since its the Fallout universe it just works lol. The Tesla magazine with the rocket pods and missiles also implies its a ground attack vehicle. Maybe interceptors weren't really a thing in Fallout, considering we haven't seen any evidence of Chinese air forces to my knowledge. Although, I suppose Xian-85 fighters were mentioned in NV by the boomers.
@@spydingo Also the Xian-85 was mentioned in Operation: Anchorage. But. I now smell of motor oil. Good Lord
Repairing doesn't seem to be a necessity in fallout for whatever reason. Many robots seem to work fine 200+ years after the end of the world with 0 maintenance, something unthinkable today.
I just adopted the assumption of the 'flying brick' principle of aircraft, as many futuristic designs from that time period followed the same principle. While these designed circulated, the realities that followed were designed with the knowledge that we DIDN'T have infinite nuclear reactors in the back. 🙂
Your design is way superior 😌 🙌 👏 👌
I would love to see you do the passenger planes from fallout 4.
Nice Turbo Kat paint scheme xD
The fact that someone else appreciates the Turbo Kat warms my heart.
Isn't there a prototype engine that can transform form turbine to space propulsion that is in testing Fase?, maybe a similar engine would be used in the application of the space capable version
Even with the "what would Dingo do" rework it still wouldn't make much of a spaceplane without some sort of ability to maneuver outside of the atmosphere - the control surfaces on the wings are useless in a vacuum. At the very least it would need a reaction wheel, but likely some thrusters too.
More space lore please.
The folding winglets might not be used for space saving. I think they are used to help stabilize the plane in supersonic flight regimes. The angle might bring it outside of the shockwave so it can act as a stabilator, giving a lot of controllability. It might also give compression lift effects like that on the XB-70 which i assume would be desperately needed on a supersonic flying wing considering how un-optimized this design is for such speeds
regardless of actual functionality, I think this looks dope, and the bulbous and rotund shape matches the general aesthetic of alot of other vehicles really well IMO, and it reminds me of the frankly impracticaly bulbous shape of the cab / nose of the trucks (military trucks and semi tractors) we see in the games...
why not keep the turbojets for atmospheric flight? wouldnt that safe energy if that thing is truly meant to be used in atmospheric and in spaceflight?
Could it be like modern times, where what we are seeing is the navy/airforce version and there is a separate model for the ‘space force’?
"...Ho-lee Jesus...What is that? WHAT THE FUCK IS THAT? WHAT IS THAT, PRIVATE PYLE?"
I hope the next game at least tries to make sense
your redesign reminds me of the Me163 Komet
I see it!
Would love more space in fallout videos, I feel like it’s one of the fuzziest parts of the lore for most fans.
Looks to me like you turned it into a space capable Me 163, hopefully without the tendency of blowing up waiting for takeoff.
Yes to all the possible video ideas you suggested!
That's what I like to hear! lol
Braced wing could be used for manuvrebility, Fallout seems to still have dog fights rather than the missile based air battles we have today. And having more wings is good.
And there is historical exsamples off this, with the Germans during ww1 having issues to get air craft engiens so they added more wings to their planes this had the effect that their fighters did have more manuvrebility than Entant fighters. Leading to the triple winged fighter made famous by the Red baron.
I loved your concept although still super bulky I think it would work well as a Space Plane Fighter/ CAS Bomber and tones back the insanity that bethesda did in making fallout 4 a bit to far out Si-Fi 50's in my opinion. I can see this plane taking on an attacker/fighter/CAS role with standard fighters and long range bombers in the Pre-War US arsenal as well. Dang shame fallout 4 went a bit to crazy with almost everything but all in all your redesign proposal looks way better and feel like its toned back just enough to be both functional, aesthetically pleasing, and to some degree Space plane worthy.
Kind of reminds me of smaller stupider version of the Helion from tactics
I think the idea is to reach the upper most atmosphere. There the extra lifting surface makes more sense in the WAAAAY thinner air.
As for the weird combo of flying wing and fat body... I kinda think thats the fallout take on a lifting body design. If you have a nearly unlimited amout of engine because your plane doesnt have to worry about fuel aerodynamics become much more... customizable to specific roles.
You don't have to take fuel economy into account. And you can keep the plane at the edge of space until it starts its bombing run.
There I would assume it has to begin a very steep dive onto its target a braced wing makes more sense it its meant to dive bomb from a really high angle at a very high speed as well. Since pulling out of a dive like that would be crazy hard on the air frame. It would explain why the heat shielding and armor are all on the front of the plane to.
The weirdest bit to me is the placement of the cockpit. But maybe it makes more sense for a dive bomber than a fighter for it to be high and back like that?
I don't know what crackhead they hired to make the vehicles of Fallout 4 but I got to say from a 1 seater small bed pick up & completely non-streamlined overly designed 2 story tall trains to Whale shaped & sized "fighter jet/bombers" & ridiculously complex quad tracked double barreled bulbus ww1 looking tanks, they were really on a streak to make the most impractical vehicles ever created.
I am sorry I am only watching the 3 littles planes race each other
Maybe the bulges are coolant tanks for the nuclear reactor?
That's an interesting thought. Could also create a cool visual effect if they glowed from heat exchange or something when the Deluxe is in operation. Bethesda are you listening? If you are do that, then delete the Stingray Deluxe lol.
@@spydingo that would be cool
I would just use the model of the B-65 Shortsword from Halo as a purpose built space fighter as opposed to the Longsword that’s just too big to *not* have any alternatives in space. The Broadsword didn’t even exist until much later.
Plz to one of the Airliners from Fl4 there are wild concept
A couple of thoughts I had through this. If this was actually a space plane there are "jet" engines that burn fuel and air in atmo, and then can switch over to oxidizer and fuel in high altitude or space flight. To add to that the bracing might be to help the wing support the weight of the reactor during high speed maneuvers or reentry.
I personally never liked how bulbus the plane looks, although that space could contain the reactor I just think it is too big and round to be very good at anything.
Good callout on the jet engines that can change their configs to operate in low oxygen situations. I'm not sure how the wing bracing would help support the weight of the reactor unless the reactor was in the wings, and I hope that's not the case.
Agreed, when I see a jet fighter I want something that looks like sleek alpha predator like a F-22, or in the case of a bomber something like the B-1B lancer.
Zero-G reentry, works in space flight simulator (TM)
Although, for Fallout lore, it's probably just a motorjet, which is an air-breathing engine... or maybe gas-electric turbine, with the turbine running offa da nuclear reactor....?
Of course, the design is merely a prototype, because of the nuclear war......
I'm no engine expert, but I'd bet its running off of either electricity produced by the nuclear reactor or by the heat generated.
Not sure if the Stingray is actually a prototype, it can be happened upon in quite a few places across the commonwealth and Appalachia.
I like the science fiction feel tbh idk if anyone else feels that way but I feel like it looks more fallouty Especially because of the art changes and power armor update
The abomination. They should've just put in the T-33 and the F-89
I choose to believe that the Stingray is meant to be a CAS/light bomber rather than a fighter. This helps explain why it has such a fat fuselage.
Something of note: nuclear thermal jet engines wouldnt actually burn anything, just super heat compressed air
I agree about there not being stingrays on the moon but I still think that there was a battle on the moon as the astronauts are depicted with guns and everything else in this mural is battle or war related
The moon battle could also just be shooting at the flag china left on the moon
@@calebbarnhouse496for fallout that wouldn’t be that out of character
I'd remove the rivets, and shrink up the under belly bulge, make the wings a bit longer, square up the front, give it a big vertical tail and - FUCK I made the Longsword again!
Uh i have a strange problem with this video: if i play this video on my 4k tv at 2160k i get all sorts of destortions wich only can be removed by watching on a lower quality setting
I'm sorry to hear that. I have no idea why that would be either!
That is a Kyogre
The Stingray seems like an aerospace fighter rather than a standard aircraft. I get why there's riveted plating- it's because bethesda fallout fits a sort of atompunk, industrial aesthetic- but it does seem weird that it's almost entirely riveted.
It's as if Bethesda's artists are afraid that if there's no rivets or greebles their bosses or the fan base will riot.
I give em' more of a pass with aircraft, since rivets are at least socially acceptable to bring to that party, but yeah, your right. As someone who has drawn a lot of those rivets with the Stingray and "Thick Boy" I completely agree. I guess I should also mention one of these days, that although rivets are often used in the construction process, aircraft these days generally have wraps or coatings that cover such details up anyways.
I guess we will have definitive proof of this depending on the rivet situation in 15 years the next time a fallout game thinks of gracing us with its presence lol.
But it fits the fallout 4 world quite well. They could just be moon craft of a sort. On Earth on Moon application. Dropped off as needed.
Could be, though I'd like to see how they would get the Stingray into space in the first place. It has real awkward lines to attempt to attach to a booster rocket.
I think that plane was more of an air supremacy craft than a starfighter. I could imagine it being able of brief suborbital climbs to stall pursuing chinese fighters before swooping down with a hellfire of railgun pellets, like a hawk. No way that thing could survive a complete atmospheric re-entry, let alone have the might to make it all the way to the moon.
About that cable thing, I'm not very knowledgeable of radiowaves, but I imagine it is part of a long-range, interference-resistant antenna system, designed to create a triangulation point with the under-armor receiver of the plane, so its loss would be a minor setback with communications rather than a total loss of maneuverability. I think the rear stabilizers don't move, and the maneuverability of the plane is achieved by a mix of thrusters' push and those flexible main wing tips flexing, somewhat analogous to how a tank is driven and turned.
I would love if they would have just used the fallout 3 fighter
Looks like a inverted box wing to me. But it has a separate tail and the brace is too far forward to be a box wing. This thing is weird.
I think that considering how thick this thing is you should look for doors on the bottom instead of some ladder and also i would point out how ridiculous is the idea that somebody would get to some sort of working nuclear propulsion before they realized that tons of rivets everywhere are going to create a lot of unnecessary drag, even though it looks cool.
Engines under wings instead of modern design with nozzle at the end of the plane suggests that this is in similar place as early real jets were, unreliable and underpowered. Engines are in pods cause they need to be serviced or swapped so often. It could be that these pods or entire engines are disposable and supposed to be swapped after some time because they become radioactive and dangerous to crew. Maybe thats why the plane is so thick because of the amount of material needed to protect pilot from reactor.
Civilian origin could be just deception, it makes more sense than some sort of aerocar that somehow got adopted to serve as fighter or bomber.
One more thing, i just realized that rivets could also mean that with use the whole plane becomes eventually dangerously radioactive, so fast that it wouldn't make economic sense to make them top notch quality you would expect.
Their service life is quite short by design, once they hit their safe limit, they wont be recycled but just buried or chugged directly into the ocean.
I can fix the Stingray's cockpit with one simple trick! Ready?
Belly access ladder ala Su-34's cockpit!
I suppose that could work actually, could maybe put such a feature into the central wheel well with minimal modifications.
I have to respectfully disagree.
I don't think those are braced wings I think those are ion engines.
The ESA has an air-breathing ion engine that's good all the way up to LEO.
If the Stingray is made out of steel, it can just do a hot body reentry. With nuclear Jets you don't really have to worry about the rocket equation. One of the space shuttles got lucky when they had a burn through of the tile system. Behind that particular tile was a piece of steel for mounting the landing gear.
Hot body was even considered by SpaceX for a little while.
Slap a little PIKA-X on the leading edges and you are good to go.
I think it's meant to have flight characteristics very similar to the X-37B. It cost a heck of a lot of fuel to dog leg a rocket. I'm a little high so I can't remember the exact word for it. But the x-37 dips into the atmosphere but not far enough to heat up, and can sort of surf / glide the extremely rarefied air, probably aided by some sort of electric propulsion like an ion engine, to change its orbit vastly more efficiently.
Same idea with the spaceplane.
I'm also assuming that it uses a SABRE style hybrid jet / rocket, except also nuclear.
So everything up to low earth orbit is basically free, and that's halfway to anywhere in the solar system.
A moon mission would be entirely feasible.
I think it's a really well designed craft.
/Contrarian
I forgot about that wire.
It's not an antenna, well it's not primarily a traditional antenna it's mostly a degausser, that you can use as an antenna when it's not degaussing.
It seems like the aircraft/spaceplane was supposed to be a spyplane used for probing Chinese satellites and other various craft, it's the only thing I can imagine the antenna being used for, the wing support and aerodynamics are too beefed up for it to be just a fighter or bomber, if hypothetically flown at current mass and model it would experience a lot of drag on top of the vehicle especially the canopy, thats a big no no if the only thing protecting you from the depths of space is a glass capsule, even the two bottom engines couldn't support it in a take off or landing at it's size. Sadly the only way for this aircraft to fly would probably be to scrap the bottom engines and locate two on each side, in between the wing support and wing for stability and thrust. it reminds me a lot of the large red spaceship from Lilo & Stitch with how the craft doesn't make any sense without the comically large engines
That certainly could be, not sure why they wouldn't have gone with a sleeker design for such a task but oh well. I certainly see a similarity in the silhouette with the Lilo & Stitch ship and I'd take Lilo's ship of the Stingray tbh.
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Don't know what you mean, but I like the energy!
As much as I agree with you on the lack of a lack of marketability for a civilian version, I did read somewhere (either in game or on the wiki, can’t remember) that there was a civilian version that was produced. And I disagree with you on the point that the engines would be useless in space, as the aircraft could just close off the inlets and run on an internal supply of oxygen, as with the proposed IRL Reaction Engines Ltd Skylon spaceplane with its SABRE engines.
As for the aerodynamic surfaces, the braced wing could just be to get additional lift to make the plane more agile in a dogfight (tighter turning circle). I would also say that the Stingray is less of a flying wing and more of a blended wing-body, which tend to have a flying wing type fuselage but a more conventional tail (although this would be more useful for say, a cargo plane rather than a combatant). Also, the folding wingtips are for aerodynamic efficiency as they’re designed to “fold” and “unfold” in flight. The exact purpose or effects I can’t remember off the top of my head but they’re being experimented with IRL for applications on civilian aircraft (don’t know if there’s military applications though)
Great callout on the SABRE engines. That could be the case for the wing brace, but I'd have to imagine there was a reason biplanes became obsolete in military designs, and in this case the brace seems a lot more like a second wing than anything else, at least to me. I certainly do see the similarity in design to a blended wing, especially in relation to some of the concept images for Lockheed Martins "hybrid wing-body". As for the wing tips, yeah, you are right it looks like they (NASA) have been experimenting with them since 2018 or so they could serve some purpose on the Stingray, although its a safe bet that purpose wasn't thought of when the Stingray was being modeled. Thanks for the callouts I learned a lot!
The Stingray is a dive bomber which is evident by its forward facing bomb doors so it's design makes sense somewhat. The supports are justified.
I agree that the stingray is a dive bomber, even though that type of platform doesn't make a lot of sense in a world with VATS and eyebots. I don't think that makes the supports justified though, the main wing itself is plenty solid and prolific dive bombers like the Stuka from WWII didn't need any bracing for its wings.
@@spydingo Yes...but this is pre-war American tech thats been riveted together...rivets inherently are very weak especially when stressed by fast movements and high G-forces. Thats the only reason I see the reason for the support struts. The Stuka wasn't a riveted designed plane but was made of Duralumin, Elektron, Pantal and welded steel far superior to any riveted plane designs. Also I don't think V.A.T.S was universally available to all people as it was developed for Vault Tek and not the general public as evidenced by all the corses of soldiers and civilianswithout a pipboy littering the wastelands of the fallout universe. Eyebots were more of a propaganda tool even when they were first created designed to interact with locals so the user never had to interact directly but were eventually given automated programming to patrol local areas and repeat recordings, extremely limited AI if any at all, dumb but decent for perimeter defence.
Two things I see problems with that you didn't touch on.
1) The location of the cockpit for a tail-wheel plane makes landing a purely trust-driven exercise.
2) This "thing" stomps on the cross-sectional area concepts of aircraft design, sets them on fire, and urinates on the ashes. In other words, it is too fat right where the wings are. This would increase drag to the point that no matter how powerful an engine you jam in the back, you will not get the speed you want. Heck, you might be limited to sub-sonic flight.
You don’t see ladders on any aircraft in the real world either. All the built in ladders are stowed in flight.
That's true, but the way the cockpit is situated its quite different from most aircraft to set up a ladder. It would need to have a gangway attached to it to function, certainly not a method that could scramble particularly fast. Your right though, its a relatively minor complaint.
I think my biggest gripe with Bethesda's focus on Fallout is that they overexaguerate the whole "Atom Punk" aesthetic when in previous games, and New Vegas, we saw a more realistic Vietnam-era equipment being fielded instead of these bulky junkpiles.
also like. these people know there are countersunk head rivets right? they don have to use DOME HEAD FUCKING RIVETS ON THE AIRFOIL OF THEIR HYPERKUTURISTIC SPACEPLANE
There's no chance this thing's a spaceplane, and here's why:
1) Underslung intakes. Those intakes are right where the maximum thermal stress would occur during atmospheric entry. A flat surface would cause too much plasma accumulation and heat transfer. There's a reason surfaces directly in contact with the entry bow shock like heatshields and the bottom of the space shuttle are so blunt and flat - they need to be, to deflect the airflow away from the craft. Also, that exposed wire antenna - that'd melt long LONG before that ever got up to LEO.
2) High aspect ratio, low sweep main wings. Eyeballing the wings, they look swept to less than 30 degrees, and the underwing truss looks not to be swept at all. This aircraft would have a pretty hard time getting anywhere up to the speeds needed for orbital flight. It probably wouldn't have been all that good a fighter, either, given the high roll moment needed for those long, slender wings. There is a positive point though - the wing configuration does look vaguely like a supersonic design known as a Busemann Biplane, which does allow for efficient supersonic cruise, so it's not all bad.
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