You are a breath of fresh air. I understand you so much! More then other people’s opinions on this. You are talking to the majority of us folks who don’t have the BIG PERFECT THEATER. But rather everyone, including the average home theater folks. Thanks so much! Your explanation on calibration really hit home with me in keeping the settings down below or at zero when using meter set at 75db. I subscribed to you because your so easy to understand. Keep up the great work. 👍🏽
One question please. I have an old onyko at the time, and I can only choose between height speakers or rear speakers. What would you recommend. Right now AND I NO ITS A BIG NO! But I’m running the height and rears on the same line. I know what you’ll say. Just need to hear it from this great teacher. Thank you. Ray.
I took this guy's advice and re-calibrated my receiver, and also manually took measurements between my speakers and seating position, as well as turning down the dB of my speakers, as well as adjusting the crossover frequency of each speaker and WOW! What a difference. All my settings were wrong. My advice for all amateur home theater advocates: watch this video and take notes; do what this guy says! This guy definitely knows what he's talking about. It improved my sound system considerably and cost me nothing but time. GREAT video, VERY helpful.
Great video Kpaceguy..Thanks! Be careful changing distance for your speakers-the system is accounting for measured phase and delay in your room. Your sub was adjusted to compensate for the wireless connection. Once speakers are set to small, crossovers are usually in the 60-120 HZ range (small atmos/satellites may be 150 or so). THX suggests 80 HZ and that may be a good starting point to test for best crossover point. I'd be careful with 40 or below unless your speakers and receiver were able to accurately reproduce a 40 HZ reference tone safely and without distorting other frequencies or clipping. The center channel is an important channel in the surround setup- it carries 60-70% of a movie's audio track. Ensuring that is matched with the rest of the system and the correct crossover is applied is crucial.
Thank you Mr. Kenn. I figured the wireless system to my second sub was introducing a delay that the calibration was interpreting as extra distance. I came here for this comment.
EXCELLENT video! I learned sooooo much! After watching this....I calibrated my home theater system. I had EVERYTHING set wrong! What a difference since I calibrated everything correctly! Once again.....HUGE..THANK YOU for doing this video! 👍🤡👍
Hey buddy, thanks for this video. I am running 7.2.4 on my Denon x6200w. With SVS ultra tower, center , and prime satellite surrounds. after Audyssey calibration all speakers test tone levels are approx. -1 ,-2,-3 db. When I try to level match to 75 db on my meter and set the volume to 0.0 on my receiver, I had to raise up all my speakers to +3 db to + 7db. If I keep them to 0.0 db or below they won’t reach to 75db maybe to like 67 or 70 db only on the meter. Is this ok?
You are right about the amp setting your sub 2 at 38 feet away because of the delay from the svs transmitter but wrong that you should change it. Let me explain as you point out yourself speakers further away will take longer for the sound to reach the listener than closer ones, When audyssey sends a test tome to a speaker it times how long it takes for that sound to arrive at the microphone thats how it works out the distance but its not really the distance that maters. what it is really working out is how much of a delay there is so it knows how much earlier it needs to send the sound out of the speakers that are furthest away from the listener ( can you see where are going with this :) ) So as your transmitter adds a delay it needs to take that into account, that is why it show the sub as being 38 feet away. Put another way it is measuring the total delay caused by the distance and the transmitter So like i say you should leave it as is
Hello Kpaceguy, thank you for the informative video!!! Currently I have Bose Acoustimass speakers in my 11'x11' bedroom. I ran the calibration through my Onkyo receiver and set the distance accurately to the ear mark, but the rear surround speakers are drowning out the front speakers (all set to 40hz) during some dialog or music in a movie or TV show. I have my sound set to Dolby or Direct on the receiver. Even when I play around with the sound settings (All Channel Stereo, THX, etc) the sound still comes out the same that the rears are louder. Should I turn down the hz from 40hz to say 30hz? Thank you!
After doing dirac live on my Onkyo RZ50 I went back to check the speaker levels with my spl meter while making adjustments my spl wasn't moving for any speakers it would stay the same i wonder if after doing Dirac it locks the speaker level calibration my subwoofer was set to -12 I wanted to give it boost and that's when I noticed
Hi K.! The wireless subwoofer signal introduces delay so you should take that into account! Do NOT change whatever receiver decides, typically it reads 6 meters more than its physical distance. I repeat, do NOT change that! :)
Great point. When your receiver measures distance, it is also accounting for any acoustic or electronic delays that may be in your system. That 39 ft measurement is accounting for the delay your wireless subwoofer signal introduced to your system-if you change it, it could put that sub's phase and signal out of alignment with the rest of your system.
You gave good tips to go back and check my receiver settings could you explain the differences between frequencies ? I got lost with that 80h 40 etc and also how about the speaker 8 4 oms what’s all that?
Check my how to set crossover video in the 'how to' playlist help with frequency. Try out my video called how to know when you need more power for ohms
LPF for LFE must always be at 120hz and that's because this is for dedicated .1 sound that is recorded to sound from the sub channel on movies. If you adjust it lower you loose content. If you set subwoofer mode to LFE as you say it will sound ONLY when .1 effects takes place. You should configure it to LFE+MAIN in order sub to reproduce frequencies from LFE channel + speakers low frequencies (below your crossover level ex.80hz)
Totally agree except for one point. If any speaker in your setup is set to LARGE, lower bass can be duplicated on the sub (because your speakers and the sub are playing some the same frequencies) when you use the LFE+Main setting- but if corrected properly, it can help integrate the sub with the full range speaker for a smoother crossover. If your speakers are set to SMALL, the subwoofer will always reproduce bass and LFE track regardless of the LFE setting (there may be some audible difference depending on several factors (sound level and crossover) but it is usually very small if it is audible at all because the SMALL setting is telling your system to send all bass below the crossover to the sub all of the time.
If you change it, I'm thinking you'd have to lower all channels the same amount to keep the same balance right? Also, does that change affect the accuracy of audyssey's enhancements (dynamic eq, dynamic volume, etc)?
@@MrKenn1230 for your first question, yes you're correct. It doesn't effect any enhancing or effects. They'll just kick in at a different volume level on the volume knob but that's all
My towers are full range and I still keep them on small and cross it over at 40hz. Because even though they have a ton of bass, they'll never beat my subwoofer so I let the sub do its thing
Great video! The problem that I have is that the sound from Disney + is lower or not as clear as the sound from a Netflix movie so I have to do minor adjustments to the volume, bass, etc. I update the apps every time they ask for it. Has anyone experienced that lately? Any tips? Thanks
Hey buddy i connect yesterday my prime towers with x4700h and my question is i have to run calibration with microphone or because is stereo system yet i have to wait for center sub and surrounds to make calibration i take 1 speaker every month what's your opinions please little help🙏🙏🙏
Thank you for the video. Informative as usual. I already went back and made corrections in my system. My question for you is this since I know you have an Anthem AVM-70. When it set your levels, did it set your speakers in the plus range? Mine did. It set the center channel at +10.5. All of my speakers were set in the plus range. Of course I went back and I used zero as my reference and set them accordingly. I’m just wondering is it just me that the Anthem did this to.
Very good video and informative. So it’s recommended to put the test tone levels on 0 dB or below? I usually have mine at +12 each for my 5.2 set up and didn’t notice any problems. I’ll see what the 0 dB and below sound like. I think the LPF for LFE sound best at 120HZ. Also, on the Marantz receiver, does it matter if I put the Source level to +12 dB inside the inputs/source level? It increases the overall volume and I don’t think I noticed any distortion or issues with the speakers or Marantz receiver.
@ Kpaceguy I see. Thank you for the reply and keep up the great work. Enjoy those new speakers. They look awesome and I’m sure they will sound amazing.
Thanks for a great review, i got a question, after you done sound calibration with audyssey or Yapo, You go to menu and make manual adjustment. The question is, are you done or do you do something elese? Another calibration or not?
If you were listening to 2 channel stereo music would you set your Towers to large? and would it still be LFE + Mains at 80hz or the 120 or would it be just LFE at 120 Thank You
If you're listening to 2ch without a sub I'd set the speakers to small and crossover to 40hz. If you're using a sub you can use lfe + main since there is no lfe unless there's too much bass and you can just set a regular crossover
Hello My front towers go down to 32hz they are Monitor Audio Bronze series I have them at 60Hz ? also i am having issues with my 2 Subs SVS PB1000 waking up I have them set to Auto with gain at 1 0clock and AVR trim LEVEL at -2,5 Audessy set them at -7,5db but i bumped them up thinking the AVR would be more sensitive and wake them up What am i doing wrong ? I would think with all speakers set to small and towers at 60hz and LFE +Mains some bass would go to the subs, it mostly when i am using internet radio or Pandora?@@KpaceguyThank you
@David J. Martin the rca preouts don't give a lot of voltage so it takes a good bit of volume to turn them on. All you can do is turn the level up on the receiver and then set your volume on the sub itself like you did
@@Kpaceguy Hello and Thank you may I ask you another question ? If i wanted to set up my system sound manually because Audyssey gets it wrong then how do i enter the Speaker Distances measurements into Audyssey? Do I actually run Audyssey first and then go under Manual setting /Distances and undo what Audyssey has listed and enter my own? I thought part of the purpose of having Audyssey do it was because it also included the Delay accourding to the distance of each speaker, so if you go in and undo it wont that cancel out the delay that goes with the distance for each speaker that Audyssey measured ? If you measure your speaker distances manually i dont know what to do with the measurement i guess is what im asking . Thank you @Kpaceguy
I don't know if changing from Large to Small is that easy for Audyssey. I mean, for the same reasons why you don't want to set the crossover lower than what Audyssey set it at. So, if you change size to Small, you won't get any filters at whatever you set the frequency. Can someone confirm this. Thanks.
I'm still confused a bit. I just have the 2 fronts that's it, my Yamaha won't let me change them to small, plus after ypao it's got the left at 0db and the right at +3.5db but the distance was the same. I'm not sure what to do?
Since you have no subwoofer it automatically sets your speakers to large because of that. If your distance is exactly the same and your room is symmetrical, bring the 3.5db down to 0
Another check for your stereo speaker balance is sit in the middle between the speakers and play a mono tone . When you close you eyes, it should be straight in front of you. If it's not, rerun you balance and be careful with the microphone placement (tripod, at least 18 inches from the back wall and approximately at the height your ears would be)
The constant prompts to 'Like' and 'subscribe' popping up every second though..😕. Yeah I did like the video 'cause it's a great vid. But can we have the prompts at the beginning or end of the video? That"'ll be👍😎. Now with that out'a the way, 😃 First off I run a 3.1 setup for now, am getting my surrounds next week; and my Atmos in a coupla months. So, my Onkyo TX-NR686 crossover settings are as follows: Front Mains (Polk Audio Signature Series S55's) are set to 'small' and crossed over at 80hz even though they can go down to 32hz, I'm scared to cross them over too low. But the bass is awesome when listening to 2ch music in 'Pure Audio' mode... not sure if i want it any lower than that. My centre channel (Polk Audio S35) is also crossed over at 80hz, sounds nice and crisp. Like yours, my subwoofer is set to 120hz, but I had to tune it a little to manage the bass and a seamless crossover from the mains, 'cause there was some out of phase transition or something... But now, they are perfectly aligned. And I stay on Netflix or Dstv/Showmax.👌😂
Hi, first of all let me say thank you for making a video trying to answer my question! The only way to say thanks is to subscribe and give this video a 👍 😉 It's very informative, if you haven't used the general settings of a sound receiver. But what I was trying ask with my question was about your experiences with the Audyssey App. What you did and why and what differences the changes of the frequency curves made (in a positive or negative way) And a small note about the distance to your subwoofer. Different distances could be corrected.(although your results are a little bit much apart ^^) I've read about a way to get better sound from a subwoofer by "playing around" with the distance to your sweetspot.(add or remove 0.5m/2feet(?) or more) By that you move the top of the sin wave and may get a fuller bass (I hope you get what I mean 😅) once again... thanks for the video. have a nice day ...😉
@@Kpaceguy I wouldn’t mind having someone coming over and setting it up for me so the clipping can go away. But if I set all the speakers to 0db it doesn’t sound balanced
Hi mate, loving the videos. Easy for an idiot like me to understand! 😀 you mentioned running your second sub with an adapter. I'm looking at adding a second PB1000 pro with an svs adapter too. Do you have any issues with 1 wired, 1 wireless sub, and how do you calibrate them both as my denon x6700 doesn't have 2 true separate sub outs. Do you use Mini DSP? Thanks!
I don't have an issue because my processor is independent dual sub outputs. If you have 1 sub output or 2 sub outputs that aren't independent, don't do it
@@Kpaceguy thanks for this. I read a number of people suggest denons didn't have independent outputs and i never questioned it. Assumed your marantz would be the same so it's lucky I double checked thanks to your message!
More times than not you'll have to raise it. They probably recommend not lowering it because it changed what they corrected and/or bass management isn't easy for automatic calibration if I had to guess
Hello kpace iam your fan please guide me I have a denon 1600h.speakers Polk tl1600 and OWM3 Atmos top middle and dual sub , I calbarated Auddesey yesterday little effect only crossover is front center surround 120hz, Atmos 100 hz, how to proper setup send your good suggestion thanks
Good try but your recommended adjusting the distance for your sub in particular is not correct. Also, your crossover recommendations are at best questionable.
I need to change my lfe I have mine set to lfe+main at 120hz and I was wondering why everything was a bit boomie. I had tried setting just lfe before at 80hz and it didn’t sound right I had it backwards LoL thanks for the tip this was very helpful 🙏👊🏻
To be honest running the Yamaha calibration the measurements were so far off of what they actually were doing it manually it was ridiculous First mistake was it had all my crossovers lower at the 40 then it sit on my speakers to large all of them are bookshelves. Then the level and distances were completely wrong. actually, the levels were plus on everything. It only got one measurement, correct was pretty epically horrible. I attempted to try it with the settings that I had it was so far off and not cohesive none of the settings where accurate. Yamaha’s system ypao very unimpressed. It actually didn’t address anything lol especially if you have to correct everything lol almost hilarious.
My speakers sound much better setting them to large. Those Polks surely also should sound better using large?🤔🙄 I did an A/B non interrupted comparison and it wasn't even close and that's using JBL 590's. The whole theory about small for tower speakers must be directed to some pretty awful floorstanding speakers. I'm comparing music not a war movie only because I didn't test that aspect of performance. Either way, your experience may differ than mine!🤪😬
Right now it's a luxury, but it should be a necessity to have different stored preset calibration files, for music and for movies. You will need to have a unit with Dirac with multiple slots you can save to. You are right that running towers for large is ideal for music (better blending, and bass notes typically in the 60-100hz region, but movies will go down to sub 20hz or less, and there are no towers that will reproduce those notes with authority.
@@nonametofame I normally listen in 'Pure Audio' mode on my Onkyo TX-NR686, I've heard that in that mode the Receiver turns every circuitry activity off including the display and the EQ... would it by any chance override the crossover settings as well, and maybe run the front mains in full range?
@@Turtleback8024 Yes, it's to my understanding that a pure or direct mode will also turn off any bass management. Which typically means it will send your front speakers the full range of sound. Bass management is really crucial unless you have a perfect room. With proper room treatment, it can be "near perfect" but I like being able to dial in my settings, and apply reasonable boosts in bass and some roll off on the highs across the frequency range. Think of it as a complex, but extremely accurate EQ. And since nobody has a perfect room, or a large tower that can reproduce 20hz bass range with authority, it's best to use room correction, REW, then dial in your settings to your preferences. You can store multiple calibration files on your PC using the Audyssey editor, but not many will want to have to load a unique setting each time they either watch movies, or listen to music.
Your ear is NOT the best calibration tool! REW and a mic are much much better. You will completely shit yourself trying to EQ speaker pairs by ear alone. It wont even be close. Trust me
If you want accuracy sure. But if accuracy doesn't sound good to you then I doubt you'll set it that way. Example. I boost 20-30 hz on my subs just because I love Deep low bass. But it's not necessarily ideal in terms of a flat response
You are a breath of fresh air. I understand you so much! More then other people’s opinions on this. You are talking to the majority of us folks who don’t have the BIG PERFECT THEATER. But rather everyone, including the average home theater folks. Thanks so much! Your explanation on calibration really hit home with me in keeping the settings down below or at zero when using meter set at 75db. I subscribed to you because your so easy to understand. Keep up the great work. 👍🏽
I greatly appreciate that and I'm glad I could help!
One question please. I have an old onyko at the time, and I can only choose between height speakers or rear speakers. What would you recommend. Right now AND I NO ITS A BIG NO! But I’m running the height and rears on the same line. I know what you’ll say. Just need to hear it from this great teacher. Thank you. Ray.
@@rayanderson3693 rear
I took this guy's advice and re-calibrated my receiver, and also manually took measurements between my speakers and seating position, as well as turning down the dB of my speakers, as well as adjusting the crossover frequency of each speaker and WOW! What a difference. All my settings were wrong. My advice for all amateur home theater advocates: watch this video and take notes; do what this guy says! This guy definitely knows what he's talking about. It improved my sound system considerably and cost me nothing but time. GREAT video, VERY helpful.
I appreciate that my friend
Great video Kpaceguy..Thanks! Be careful changing distance for your speakers-the system is accounting for measured phase and delay in your room. Your sub was adjusted to compensate for the wireless connection. Once speakers are set to small, crossovers are usually in the 60-120 HZ range (small atmos/satellites may be 150 or so). THX suggests 80 HZ and that may be a good starting point to test for best crossover point. I'd be careful with 40 or below unless your speakers and receiver were able to accurately reproduce a 40 HZ reference tone safely and without distorting other frequencies or clipping. The center channel is an important channel in the surround setup- it carries 60-70% of a movie's audio track. Ensuring that is matched with the rest of the system and the correct crossover is applied is crucial.
Thank you Mr. Kenn. I figured the wireless system to my second sub was introducing a delay that the calibration was interpreting as extra distance. I came here for this comment.
This is by far the most comprehensive video I have seen on this topic. Dispelled a lot of questions i had.
I appreciate it
EXCELLENT video! I learned sooooo much! After watching this....I calibrated my home theater system. I had EVERYTHING set wrong! What a difference since I calibrated everything correctly! Once again.....HUGE..THANK YOU for doing this video! 👍🤡👍
Thanks for watching!
DB level being negative or zero DB was something I did not know and your reasoning was appreciated.
Hey buddy, thanks for this video. I am running 7.2.4 on my Denon x6200w. With SVS ultra tower, center , and prime satellite surrounds. after Audyssey calibration all speakers test tone levels are approx. -1 ,-2,-3 db. When I try to level match to 75 db on my meter and set the volume to 0.0 on my receiver, I had to raise up all my speakers to +3 db to + 7db. If I keep them to 0.0 db or below they won’t reach to 75db maybe to like 67 or 70 db only on the meter.
Is this ok?
@@theamazingbassdude4811 sometimes that's just how it is
WOW! Great video!! Now I'm going to have to do my system all over again!!
You are right about the amp setting your sub 2 at 38 feet away because of the delay from the svs transmitter but wrong that you should change it.
Let me explain as you point out yourself speakers further away will take longer for the sound to reach the listener than closer ones, When audyssey sends a test tome to a speaker it times how long it takes for that sound to arrive at the microphone thats how it works out the distance but its not really the distance that maters. what it is really working out is how much of a delay there is so it knows how much earlier it needs to send the sound out of the speakers that are furthest away from the listener ( can you see where are going with this :) )
So as your transmitter adds a delay it needs to take that into account, that is why it show the sub as being 38 feet away. Put another way it is measuring the total delay caused by the distance and the transmitter
So like i say you should leave it as is
Thank you
Excellent topic. Will remake adjustments when I get home from work with my Denon AVR-X3500H
Wow best explanation for calibration that I’ve seen on TH-cam. Thanks. Much more understandable than other ones I’ve seen.
I appreciate it
This video was extremely helpful. I learned a lot watching this video. I highly recommend this video to home theater folks out there. 😃
I appreciate that. Thanks for watching
Hello Kpaceguy, thank you for the informative video!!! Currently I have Bose Acoustimass speakers in my 11'x11' bedroom. I ran the calibration through my Onkyo receiver and set the distance accurately to the ear mark, but the rear surround speakers are drowning out the front speakers (all set to 40hz) during some dialog or music in a movie or TV show. I have my sound set to Dolby or Direct on the receiver. Even when I play around with the sound settings (All Channel Stereo, THX, etc) the sound still comes out the same that the rears are louder. Should I turn down the hz from 40hz to say 30hz? Thank you!
I don't think you're describing this correctly but yeah whatever is too loud turn it down
I learned something! Gotta make some changes tonight. Thanks
After doing dirac live on my Onkyo RZ50 I went back to check the speaker levels with my spl meter while making adjustments my spl wasn't moving for any speakers it would stay the same i wonder if after doing Dirac it locks the speaker level calibration my subwoofer was set to -12 I wanted to give it boost and that's when I noticed
Glad I found this! Will try it tomorrow with my NAD M28 7 channel Amp to hook up with my Marantz AV7706 processor. Thanks!
Hi K.! The wireless subwoofer signal introduces delay so you should take that into account! Do NOT change whatever receiver decides, typically it reads 6 meters more than its physical distance. I repeat, do NOT change that! :)
Great point. When your receiver measures distance, it is also accounting for any acoustic or electronic delays that may be in your system. That 39 ft measurement is accounting for the delay your wireless subwoofer signal introduced to your system-if you change it, it could put that sub's phase and signal out of alignment with the rest of your system.
Ahhh good to know
@@Kpaceguy PS Otherwise very good video, love your channel.
I can’t wait to get started making the changes you recommend!
You gave good tips to go back and check my receiver settings could you explain the differences between frequencies ? I got lost with that 80h 40 etc and also how about the speaker 8 4 oms what’s all that?
Check my how to set crossover video in the 'how to' playlist help with frequency. Try out my video called how to know when you need more power for ohms
That was a great run through. Much appreciated.
My pleasure
Great Video!! Thank you for explaining so Well!!!
Thanks for watching
LPF for LFE must always be at 120hz and that's because this is for dedicated .1 sound that is recorded to sound from the sub channel on movies. If you adjust it lower you loose content.
If you set subwoofer mode to LFE as you say it will sound ONLY when .1 effects takes place. You should configure it to LFE+MAIN in order sub to reproduce frequencies from LFE channel + speakers low frequencies (below your crossover level ex.80hz)
Totally agree except for one point. If any speaker in your setup is set to LARGE, lower bass can be duplicated on the sub (because your speakers and the sub are playing some the same frequencies) when you use the LFE+Main setting- but if corrected properly, it can help integrate the sub with the full range speaker for a smoother crossover. If your speakers are set to SMALL, the subwoofer will always reproduce bass and LFE track regardless of the LFE setting (there may be some audible difference depending on several factors (sound level and crossover) but it is usually very small if it is audible at all because the SMALL setting is telling your system to send all bass below the crossover to the sub all of the time.
What about for Multi Ch music? 80 hz?
You had your fronts at +db is that how it should be?
That's how the receiver had it. I wouldn't have to higher than 0
@@Kpaceguy ok
If you change it, I'm thinking you'd have to lower all channels the same amount to keep the same balance right? Also, does that change affect the accuracy of audyssey's enhancements (dynamic eq, dynamic volume, etc)?
@@MrKenn1230 for your first question, yes you're correct. It doesn't effect any enhancing or effects. They'll just kick in at a different volume level on the volume knob but that's all
Great topic! Do you use Audyssey flat or reference for movies?
I use reference for everything
Yep. Reference will work out most of the time. Depending on your setup and room, when listening to music you may prefer flat. Try it and compare!
What if your front L and R are full range towers? Do you keep the large settings or change them back to small ?
My towers are full range and I still keep them on small and cross it over at 40hz. Because even though they have a ton of bass, they'll never beat my subwoofer so I let the sub do its thing
Great video! The problem that I have is that the sound from Disney + is lower or not as clear as the sound from a Netflix movie so I have to do minor adjustments to the volume, bass, etc. I update the apps every time they ask for it. Has anyone experienced that lately? Any tips? Thanks
Nothing you can do. That's just the nature of Streaming
Hey buddy i connect yesterday my prime towers with x4700h and my question is i have to run calibration with microphone or because is stereo system yet i have to wait for center sub and surrounds to make calibration i take 1 speaker every month what's your opinions please little help🙏🙏🙏
There's no way around it. It's not meant to be only a stereo receiver. You'll have to wait until you get your other speakers
Kpace Do these speaker levels ( keeping at 0db) is that the same for the Sony DH790
Yes. You want to try and keep it around that 0db mark if you can but not always possible
Thank you for the video. Informative as usual. I already went back and made corrections in my system. My question for you is this since I know you have an Anthem AVM-70. When it set your levels, did it set your speakers in the plus range? Mine did. It set the center channel at +10.5. All of my speakers were set in the plus range. Of course I went back and I used zero as my reference and set them accordingly. I’m just wondering is it just me that the Anthem did this to.
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Thank you for the video I used to Denon 2400 on Klipsch F200,
Do I have to do any adjustment, on the back of the sub? How do you calibrate two subs, with a Y splitter RCA cable(one output with two subs)?
You can't calibrate two subs with one y splitter. The receiver will adjusts the two subs as if it was one
Very good video and informative. So it’s recommended to put the test tone levels on 0 dB or below? I usually have mine at +12 each for my 5.2 set up and didn’t notice any problems. I’ll see what the 0 dB and below sound like. I think the LPF for LFE sound best at 120HZ.
Also, on the Marantz receiver, does it matter if I put the Source level to +12 dB inside the inputs/source level? It increases the overall volume and I don’t think I noticed any distortion or issues with the speakers or Marantz receiver.
The distortion comes when you start to really turn it up and you ask the receiver to play louder than it can
@ Kpaceguy I see. Thank you for the reply and keep up the great work. Enjoy those new speakers. They look awesome and I’m sure they will sound amazing.
Hi KP, I noticed your SUB is set to 2 spkrs -- How did you do that 🤔? Thanks!
You have to have dual independent outputs
Thanks for a great review, i got a question, after you done sound calibration with audyssey or Yapo,
You go to menu and make manual adjustment.
The question is, are you done or do you do something elese?
Another calibration or not?
Nope you run it once, go behind it and tweak it further then you're done
@@Kpaceguy can i ask if you have any experience with monitor audio?
@@MrSupermanMr i was going to purchase them but after long and deep research I was more attracted to canton. Monitor audio is very very reputable
If you were listening to 2 channel stereo music would you set your Towers to large? and would it still be LFE + Mains at 80hz or the 120 or would it be just LFE at 120 Thank You
If you're listening to 2ch without a sub I'd set the speakers to small and crossover to 40hz. If you're using a sub you can use lfe + main since there is no lfe unless there's too much bass and you can just set a regular crossover
Hello My front towers go down to 32hz they are Monitor Audio Bronze series I have them at 60Hz ? also i am having issues with my 2 Subs SVS PB1000 waking up I have them set to Auto with gain at 1 0clock and AVR trim LEVEL at -2,5 Audessy set them at -7,5db but i bumped them up thinking the AVR would be more sensitive and wake them up What am i doing wrong ? I would think with all speakers set to small and towers at 60hz and LFE +Mains some bass would go to the subs, it mostly when i am using internet radio or Pandora?@@KpaceguyThank you
@David J. Martin the rca preouts don't give a lot of voltage so it takes a good bit of volume to turn them on. All you can do is turn the level up on the receiver and then set your volume on the sub itself like you did
@@Kpaceguy Hello and Thank you may I ask you another question ? If i wanted to set up my system sound manually because Audyssey gets it wrong then how do i enter the Speaker Distances measurements into Audyssey? Do I actually run Audyssey first and then go under Manual setting /Distances and undo what Audyssey has listed and enter my own? I thought part of the purpose of having Audyssey do it was because it also included the Delay accourding to the distance of each speaker, so if you go in and undo it wont that cancel out the delay that goes with the distance for each speaker that Audyssey measured ? If you measure your speaker distances manually i dont know what to do with the measurement i guess is what im asking . Thank you @Kpaceguy
@David J. Martin run it then make your own corrections. Use the audyssey app for more control. Typically leave distance alone
I use MultiEQ editor app. after running room correction
I don't know if changing from Large to Small is that easy for Audyssey. I mean, for the same reasons why you don't want to set the crossover lower than what Audyssey set it at. So, if you change size to Small, you won't get any filters at whatever you set the frequency. Can someone confirm this. Thanks.
Kpaceguy....great video, this kind of content is really useful. I am always look for ways to improve my sound.
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I'm still confused a bit. I just have the 2 fronts that's it, my Yamaha won't let me change them to small, plus after ypao it's got the left at 0db and the right at +3.5db but the distance was the same. I'm not sure what to do?
Since you have no subwoofer it automatically sets your speakers to large because of that. If your distance is exactly the same and your room is symmetrical, bring the 3.5db down to 0
@@Kpaceguy thanks for your heip
No prob
Another check for your stereo speaker balance is sit in the middle between the speakers and play a mono tone . When you close you eyes, it should be straight in front of you. If it's not, rerun you balance and be careful with the microphone placement (tripod, at least 18 inches from the back wall and approximately at the height your ears would be)
The constant prompts to 'Like' and 'subscribe' popping up every second though..😕. Yeah I did like the video 'cause it's a great vid. But can we have the prompts at the beginning or end of the video? That"'ll be👍😎. Now with that out'a the way, 😃 First off I run a 3.1 setup for now, am getting my surrounds next week; and my Atmos in a coupla months. So, my Onkyo TX-NR686 crossover settings are as follows: Front Mains (Polk Audio Signature Series S55's) are set to 'small' and crossed over at 80hz even though they can go down to 32hz, I'm scared to cross them over too low. But the bass is awesome when listening to 2ch music in 'Pure Audio' mode... not sure if i want it any lower than that. My centre channel (Polk Audio S35) is also crossed over at 80hz, sounds nice and crisp. Like yours, my subwoofer is set to 120hz, but I had to tune it a little to manage the bass and a seamless crossover from the mains, 'cause there was some out of phase transition or something... But now, they are perfectly aligned. And I stay on Netflix or Dstv/Showmax.👌😂
What i havent heard was, What level should my receiver volume be set at when doing the ypaio calibration??
It sets itself to 0 or "reference" level
Does lfe work with music?
No
Hi, first of all let me say thank you for making a video trying to answer my question! The only way to say thanks is to subscribe and give this video a 👍 😉 It's very informative, if you haven't used the general settings of a sound receiver. But what I was trying ask with my question was about your experiences with the Audyssey App. What you did and why and what differences the changes of the frequency curves made (in a positive or negative way)
And a small note about the distance to your subwoofer. Different distances could be corrected.(although your results are a little bit much apart ^^) I've read about a way to get better sound from a subwoofer by "playing around" with the distance to your sweetspot.(add or remove 0.5m/2feet(?) or more) By that you move the top of the sin wave and may get a fuller bass (I hope you get what I mean 😅)
once again... thanks for the video. have a nice day ...😉
You got any r l Boyce yet?
Not yet
@@Kpaceguy look it up.be a great test for your system
@@Kpaceguy opens up the midrange sounds fantastic
@@Kpaceguy You still got the shit bose stuff?
What would you run the crossover for music with the SB2000
Depends the speakers you have
Kpaceguy this is for my gym I have BW AM 1
@@GregoryJKeyes cross it no lower then 100hz
Thank you so much
Holy crap. That was really good... What manual settings can undo what Audyssey did? I’m using a Denon AVR-X3500H. Thank you for the great content!
I wouldn't say undo, but alter. Things like crossover and changing speaker levels
@@Kpaceguy Got it. Thanks much.
So should I leave all the speakers at 75db so my speakers don’t clipp because I own a denon
Yes if you can. The goal is just not to go too much over 0db levels
@@Kpaceguy yeah because I keep noticing clipping on one of my speakers so what’s the best option to fix that
Lower all volume levels a couple db
@@Kpaceguy I wouldn’t mind having someone coming over and setting it up for me so the clipping can go away. But if I set all the speakers to 0db it doesn’t sound balanced
@@Lowkey_nxthxn yes you definitely don't want to do that. You need to set all speakers to be 75db from where they are in the room to your ear
Hi mate, loving the videos. Easy for an idiot like me to understand! 😀 you mentioned running your second sub with an adapter. I'm looking at adding a second PB1000 pro with an svs adapter too. Do you have any issues with 1 wired, 1 wireless sub, and how do you calibrate them both as my denon x6700 doesn't have 2 true separate sub outs. Do you use Mini DSP? Thanks!
I don't have an issue because my processor is independent dual sub outputs. If you have 1 sub output or 2 sub outputs that aren't independent, don't do it
@@Kpaceguy thanks for this. I read a number of people suggest denons didn't have independent outputs and i never questioned it. Assumed your marantz would be the same so it's lucky I double checked thanks to your message!
why would you select small fronts if they are in fact large and capable of playing deep bass?
Because small let's you set a crossover. Large makes them full range and no traditional tower is full range
I read numerous times that you shouldn’t lower the crossover manually to what audyssey set?
I think that's pretty silly since it's usually pretty wrong. And usually too low to begin with
@@Kpaceguy you can manually raise the crossover that audyssey set...just advised that you shouldn't lower it to what audyssey set.
More times than not you'll have to raise it. They probably recommend not lowering it because it changed what they corrected and/or bass management isn't easy for automatic calibration if I had to guess
That was great thanks
Thank you for great explanation.
Thank you for watching!
You always explain things really well one of the few..But the room correction is not really correct..
Excelent videos .From Malta
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The added distance calibrated by your receiver for your subwoofers is to compensate for the way bass frequencies behave in a room.
@@SPPACATR thank you, you said it much better than I did. If I remember correctly, I learned that from the guys at Audioholics.
I’m about to recalibrate my speakers now 😂
Hello kpace iam your fan please guide me I have a denon 1600h.speakers Polk tl1600 and OWM3 Atmos top middle and dual sub , I calbarated Auddesey
yesterday little effect only crossover is front center surround 120hz, Atmos 100 hz, how to proper setup send your good suggestion thanks
Leave them right where they are. They dont need to play anything under 120hz
Thanks kpace
Very useful content 👌
I appreciate it
i guess this video is made for me hahaha....thx mate....that word muddy made my day :)))))
No problem!
Great job
Great video
I appreciate it
Thanks man!
My pleasure
Good try but your recommended adjusting the distance for your sub in particular is not correct. Also, your crossover recommendations are at best questionable.
I need to change my lfe I have mine set to lfe+main at 120hz and I was wondering why everything was a bit boomie.
I had tried setting just lfe before at 80hz and it didn’t sound right I had it backwards LoL thanks for the tip this was very helpful 🙏👊🏻
Glad I could help
To be honest running the Yamaha calibration the measurements were so far off of what they actually were doing it manually it was ridiculous First mistake was it had all my crossovers lower at the 40 then it sit on my speakers to large all of them are bookshelves. Then the level and distances were completely wrong. actually, the levels were plus on everything. It only got one measurement, correct was pretty epically horrible. I attempted to try it with the settings that I had it was so far off and not cohesive none of the settings where accurate. Yamaha’s system ypao very unimpressed. It actually didn’t address anything lol especially if you have to correct everything lol almost hilarious.
My speakers sound much better setting them to large. Those Polks surely also should sound better using large?🤔🙄 I did an A/B non interrupted comparison and it wasn't even close and that's using JBL 590's. The whole theory about small for tower speakers must be directed to some pretty awful floorstanding speakers. I'm comparing music not a war movie only because I didn't test that aspect of performance. Either way, your experience may differ than mine!🤪😬
Right now it's a luxury, but it should be a necessity to have different stored preset calibration files, for music and for movies. You will need to have a unit with Dirac with multiple slots you can save to. You are right that running towers for large is ideal for music (better blending, and bass notes typically in the 60-100hz region, but movies will go down to sub 20hz or less, and there are no towers that will reproduce those notes with authority.
@@nonametofame I normally listen in 'Pure Audio' mode on my Onkyo TX-NR686, I've heard that in that mode the Receiver turns every circuitry activity off including the display and the EQ... would it by any chance override the crossover settings as well, and maybe run the front mains in full range?
@@Turtleback8024 Yes, it's to my understanding that a pure or direct mode will also turn off any bass management. Which typically means it will send your front speakers the full range of sound. Bass management is really crucial unless you have a perfect room. With proper room treatment, it can be "near perfect" but I like being able to dial in my settings, and apply reasonable boosts in bass and some roll off on the highs across the frequency range. Think of it as a complex, but extremely accurate EQ. And since nobody has a perfect room, or a large tower that can reproduce 20hz bass range with authority, it's best to use room correction, REW, then dial in your settings to your preferences. You can store multiple calibration files on your PC using the Audyssey editor, but not many will want to have to load a unique setting each time they either watch movies, or listen to music.
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Your ear is NOT the best calibration tool! REW and a mic are much much better. You will completely shit yourself trying to EQ speaker pairs by ear alone. It wont even be close. Trust me
If you want accuracy sure. But if accuracy doesn't sound good to you then I doubt you'll set it that way. Example. I boost 20-30 hz on my subs just because I love Deep low bass. But it's not necessarily ideal in terms of a flat response