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- There are 3 Main things to keep into consideration to help integrate your Subwoofer(s) with your system. In this video I talk you through Subwoofer settings to help you blend your Subwoofer with or without calibration!
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Very informative. And explained that average people can understand. Thanks.
Great video!!! Finally a realistic and practical video to help less technical people achieve great bass for music and movies. Thanks so much; your method truly works!
I appreciate it. Thanks for watching
Another great video. Useful and practical content. Thank you.
Just keep on adjusting the until you it suite your taste, don't worry much about the freq. its already given and adjustable follow your ears and chest, the rest will follow...
This is an inherently lazy comment. Having a linear FR in both loudspeaker and subwoofer is very easily discerned once you have it dialed in vs listening to a system that isn't dialed in properly. It kinda ruins you after hearing a system that's been tuned flat. I do agree with you whole heartedly that a system is lastly eq'd to taste but if you haven't first flattened the FR through verified, manual, sweeps from a program like REW and a mic, your system will never truly disappear. Audyssey only shows a simulated averaged response. Every system's auto-eq has to be manually tweaked to be correct prior to eq-ing to taste. Even Trinnov's Optimizer.
I have 2 klipsch r-10sw and love them. Gonna calibrate again and put volume half way as u suggested.
The perfect video, very plain and straightforward in comparison with other videos on TH-cam, after following this video my home cinema sounds A1. Many thanks
Thank for watching
Quick one using 2 subs cambridge cx120 and ONKYO receiver what do I set frequency on sub unit and what do I set sub frequency on receiver?
@@Marc-dc7cb you set the sub to as high as it can go and set it 120hz in the receiver
Good video. Thanks as always.
I calibrate my subwoofer in accordance to your suggestion and it work wonders! Music is the better way to calibrate than movies because music have this repetitive rhythm where you can easily analyze if the sub is overemphasized, thin or just right.
Thanks a ton, a great video, very informative, answered all my questions here. Probably the best video on Subwoofer settings on TH-cam.
I greatly appreciate it
By far the best answer on this topic. Thanks
I appreciate it
@@Kpaceguy A quick one. I have set my R 115SW sub to -4 and at 12.00 o’clock at the gain. Any thoughts on this?
@@bijoudunco if it's balanced with the system you're good to go. If you need to adjust volume do it on the sub
Great video.Thank you for the information. Helped me a lot.
No problem man glad I could help!
Good information and helpful tips. Thanks bro
My pleasure
Good informative video..thanks dear...
No problem
Thank you so much for your video you help me out so much 😀
My pleasure
I have my Dayton T652 AIR towers mated with the Dayton SUB1000 10 inch subwoofer that is crossed over at about 55Hz on the X-over knob.
Oh yeah, you just answered my question..THANKS!
Thanks for watching
Thank you for explaining clearly for me to underestand so I can actually do it by ear … the only thing is that each song is recorded differently so adjusting is always needed …. But I got the general idea how to adjust on the first step 🙏🔈🔊🔉
My pleasure
Good informative video! By any chance will you do another theater tour of your subs?? I missed the first go round.
Sure it'll happen soon
Hi, Thanks for the very informative advice. I like the TV stand that you have in the video - could you let me know what brand it is?
No idea but it's from Amazon
I'm glad that i ran across this video.... I'm learning how to tune my system and set the sub crossover to 120hz. I'm trying out your suggestions and already sounding better
Glad I could help
@Kpaceguy I had to throw this out there. I'm upgrading my speakers and subs (Klipsch set up with the. I've watched a few of your videos, and now that I get it... time to step it up. I'm going to run a 5.1.2 (atmos) with a dual sub set up. I'm interested in the Klipsch SPL 120 subs... any thoughts?
@@TheMrTJOX you'll love em
@@Kpaceguy I actually did one better... I got dual SVS PB 1000 PRO subs over the Klipsch. They should be here in a couple of days!
@@Kpaceguy UPDATE!: I think I've learned why audio is such a male dominated hobby. Highly addictive. I finally decided on dual SVS PB-1000 pros, Klipsch RP-8000F II, Klipsch 500M II, Klipsch 500 C II, and Klipsch RP-500 SA II all run by an Onkyo TR-6050 :(. I know, I know...upgrading the AVR eventually, but it's been working for me so far.
Nice
Movies tend to boost the LFE track by 10 dB, so I did what you did with the sub level but with the trim set to +4 for music, and then at movie time I set it to -6 to counter the 10 dB boost so it still sounds the same.
Why not just reduce the LFE by -10 or whatever Value you want?
Thats why i do in my Denon and then raise my Subwoofer by +3 to +8, based on Preference.
Thing is, the Audio Calibration built in bases on LFE and so all normal Content is cut off by at least 10 db...
@@minos3258 lol this was so long ago but now I'm at a level where I don't really have to do that kind of adjusting anymore. Sometimes for music I'll set the trim up to +6 but not always.
Great video! Where is the subs crossover? Is that the low pass filter?
Yes
Good video.What if i have two subwoofers in the back?I am planning on buying a second.I recently put phase 180 on my because it was out of phase with my front speakers.How can i adjust so both subwoofers will be in phase with each other AND the fronts?
Yes the way you had it is typical correct. Just listen and toggle the switch until you hear which one gives you the most output across most frequencies
I have the same, my 4 beolab speaker go to 50hz. My sub plays till 60hz.
With a 10 Hertz overlap between front speakers and subwoofers would you recommend a 24 octave slope or 12?
Depends how it rolls off in room. You need to measure.
@@NathanOakley1980 I have it dialed in now, thanks
What about setting all speaker levels to 75 or 80db? And then perhaps increase the sub by a few DB? Would that work?
Yes and increase the center too
Great Presentation. Question. My denon avr has 2subs Connections. But really only 1. They are y’d together internally in the Avr. So, 1 sub is Directly behind my sitting area about 2’ away and,the other is 9’ away behind my tv. So I can’t use room correction to calibrate them. So do you have any thoughts? I’m gonna try your recommendations here soon. But i always here the one behind me. Ps. And I never Realized about the phase difference either. Good one. Thanks man! Also. They’re 2 different subs (all kinds of fun). Lol. 1 down firing and 1 regular.
I'd still calibrate them regardless or at least the one farthest away. Maybe even cross the one closest to you lower than the one up front as well
@@Kpaceguy the one behind me is the down firing one. When I put the sub volume at zero it blows us out of the room. The other sounds much better at zero tho. Go figure. Lol. Thanks for your fast reply and help. I’m Actually trying to calibrate them as we type. So thanks again. This bass thing is tuff to work out.
No problem. Let us know how it goes
@@Kpaceguy Hi. On the Audyssey MultEQ app. Do you use it to certain your speakers off, like say 300-400 hz or so ?
MiniDSP
Hey, I am running a prx918xlf powered subwoofer along with two prx812w JBL powered mains. I have the system powered with my Roland, TD 27 drum module, what I do is play along to music that I have coming through the system as well as my drums. I’m new to sound so I don’t really understand all the terminology or where I should set the EQ on the subwoofer, right now I have it 80hz I’m not sure what the term crossover means. I also have the capability to adjust volumes and tuning through my drum module. I think I have a pretty decent mix, but what you said really helped because I can’t really seem to hear the subwoofer other than my bass drum coming through so my thinking is what purpose really does the subwoofer serve any advice on tweaking and adjusting would be great thanks…. Sound is subjective and there is so many variables when it comes to different rooms and how many people are there any tips on That would be great as well.
PS I am only running one sub
Your subwoofer probably isn't as loud as your drums. A kick drum is no lower then 60hz abs everything else is higher so you want to set your sub crossover probably as high as you can to make sure all the drums come through
I don’t really see a setting for crossover. I’m wondering if it’s built in and the system just knows when to do it, so you’re saying higher than 80hz Like say 120hz?
Good video, u did not comment on 4 sub setup
Where u get that center channel speaker stand and what kind is it?
From sanus on amazon
Hi K, what should be the volume of my sub when calibrating? Thanks...
Halfway
I have some small and cheap Micca Covo S as my surrounds and top middle height but they do pretty good, i sometimes wonder when i hear a big thunder from the height speakers, that big sound seems to all come from those little speakers but that because of my SVS SB2000 subwoofer that sometimes blends good with my speakers but sometimes i can still localize it. Whe i will have more space i will do a two subwoofer configuration. Im not entirely satisfied by my sub and i dont know why, it could be the room, it could be that is just one sub, it could be that i chose the SB over a PB because space. Do you think i should have gone wtih a PB 1000 PRO instead the SB 2000(not pro)? For music its ok but in movies i would like to be more present, i dunno how to describe, english is not my native language.
Yes. Or anything pro. The app is such a necessity for the absolute best sound
@@Kpaceguy thanks for the reply, the app could have helped me to set the subwoofer to have a better bass even if i have one subwoofer? If i sell the SB2000 and get a PB1000 PRO would i loose anything regarding bass and quality? I seen that the amp is just 350 wats vs 500 on the SB but the PB have a bigger enclosure and maybe can sound bigger even if it's weaker.
@@AexoeroV yes you have the right idea. It'll be a little less flat response because it's not sealed but it's very tight bass regardless. The app will probably have it sounding better than the sb2000
I just got the second Klipsch R 12SW ... and added it to the system( Yamaha TSR-700/ RX-V6A) ( it has 2 subs pre-out) and run the calibration ... I hear them both playing ...but the system still shows 5.1.2 instead of 5.2.2 ! What should I do to see it displaying 2 subwoofers?
It's all the same thing don't mind it
Only the higher model yamaha's show 2 subwoofer on ypao. I've got the rx-685 which has two sub outputs but only shows one sub on the screen during calibration.
to blend in the subs while listening to good audio where do you turn up your subs so there to loud, on the Gain or in the Receiver and then which one do you start to lower to blend. Im thinking you turn up the Gain and then go into AVR and lower but then you undid what Audyseey set . When you run audyseey the gain is at 12 oclock on the subs, are you saying after Audyseey raise the Gain What if Audessy set your AVR to -4 on for the Subs you cant very well lower it anymore ? Thank you
I tend to leave what the receiver did alone and make sub changes on the sub itself
do you adjust subwoofer volume when you blend it listening to music by the sub dial or thru the AVR?
I leave the avr setting to where it is after calibration and then use the subwoofer volume itself to dial it in
@@Kpaceguy ok just confused cause at end of video you mentioned always leave dial half way
When you calibrate it leave it half way. When its done you can turn it up or down however you please
I need help with my home theater system I am running a pair of cerwin vega vs 120 series for my front speakers and the rest of my speakers are all big cerwin vega speakers
Pair of cerwin vega vs 120 for front
Cerwin vega AT 12's for my sides
Cerwin vega AT 12's for my rear
Cerwin vega 12" power subwoofer and I can hear most of the bass coming from the front stage and the sub is on my left side of where I sit when watching movies or listening to music but I really do not know what the hz for my speakers and couldn't find anything about them on the internet and I don't have the auddessy mic to set the home theater system properly i have to do everything all manually
Cerwin Vega VS 120 and AT 12 are both: 28Hz - 22kHz
when placing the phase and the Hz setting, I see the controls on the back of the subs as well as in the receiver settings. Do I set both the sub and receiver at the same or does one of them zero out.
Keep the sub phase to normal or 0 degrees and maximize the hz setting on the sub all the way up and make your adjustments on the receiver itself
@@Kpaceguy Finally an answer. I've searched the internet for this answer! Thanks! Nobody tells you about the knob s on the sub!
My question is does the subwoofer crossover will effect the LFE channel 120hz as per recommended by AVR setting?
If you don't have a separate LFE crossover from your subwoofer crossover, yes it'll affect it
What if I have my fronts set at Full range?. Where would I set the crossover for my 2 subwoofers?. The subwoofers can go down to 40Hz.
Blend it 20hz above the lowest rating of your Fronts
Did you measure that the L&R can hit 40hz in room at the same level as they play say, 100hz?
You need to figure out where they roll off in room. You cross over where they roll off in room at around 3-6db down so, if the L&R are -6db at 70hz you cross over at 70hz. Then measure with a phone app that can show you a frequency response and adjust till you get the right summing at the crossover point. The end result should be a similar level from 20-200hz when all 3 (L&R&Sub) are measured.
My processor measures. It's a pretty linear response. But I ended up going with 50hz
The Best! 🤘🏽 thanks
You say you crossover your subwoofer at 50hz for seamless transition from your floor-standers which are set at 40hz. So will you not have seamless transition for your centre and surrounds which are set at 60hz? Should you give priority of seamless transition between your floor-standers and sub? Rather than your other speakers and sub?
Yes focus on the transition between floor standers and sub because that's where most of the best comes from. The other speakers are set where they are for limitations of the speaker itself.
@@Kpaceguy Wow, that was a rapid reply, Thanks! Makes sense!
@@ash20500 I try to answer everyone
Do you turn off the ypao settings ? Because ypao sets all speakers to large. I’m running SVS pro pb 2000
No i just change them back to small
can you recommend a SPL meter to purchase please
Anything really will do. Anything that has weighted controls and fast/slow options
Since speakers move only in 2 directions, in and out, 0 and 180 makes sense. How does everything in between work then?
Its all about delay. 0 and 180 is basically exact same movement or exact opposite movement but in between 0 and 180 is kinda the same movement or kinda opposite. A variable dial controls just how opposite one sub will be from the other.
Think of it as lag time. If that makes sense.
@@Kpaceguy so if it controls lag time, then a 180 shift on the knob is different from the switch?
I have focal sopra 2 it's say they go down 34hz so what frequency crossover would be ok with dual rel s812.
I would do high level input/output and cross them at 45-50hz or low level at 60hz
@Kpaceguy okay thanks I will try that setting...
@Kpaceguy just another question is it best to keep gain below crossover or above as in if crossover is set at 12 clicks gain is below in clicks.
@@hawkmoon369 personal preference how loud you'd like your volume to be
@Kpaceguy Thanks i look forward to more of your videos.
What is that monster center speaker?
Polk Audio lsim 706c I think was the technical name
So my L/R and Center are crossed at 120 should my sub be crossed at 110? Or is that too high?
Your lfe should be at 120hz if you have that setting
@@Kpaceguy I dont have LFE im controlling the crossover from the back of the sub. So I should still set it to 120?
@@BigDavos yes
@@Kpaceguy thx for the quick response this vid was mad helpful and my bass sounds better allrdy, i had my speakers at 120 and my sub at 55 🥴
What is your feeling on using lfe
It's a must for home theater. No less than 2 subs
Need to use a reference source, streamed music is not a reference source as most if not all is lossy format (compressed file). A good CD would be best or use SACD or muti channel music DVD/Bluray.
I have to agree with you here on that. Perhaps something with real instruments like a good jazz recording with an upright bass, pianos, drums, etc... would make excellent reference material. This way you can get the natural variations in tones, volumes and the like as a good point of reference for calibration purposes.
I plan on doing such a demo with my one year review of my Vizio P series TV and PB 4000 subs. I'll be using a bluray concert of Sade 2011.
here is that demo I told you about DJ th-cam.com/video/LUQIMu9aoxM/w-d-xo.html
th-cam.com/video/i41hf5jpUjI/w-d-xo.html
I thought if you wanted to blend your subs with all the other speaker you first said to just raise the GAIN on the back of the sub after running Audyseey and leave it alone in the AVR but towards the end of the video you now say to play a soundtrack and set subs louder and then turn down in the AVR. ? do you turn up the sub so its to loud on the GAIN or in the AVR level . If you turn it up on the gain you cant very well be sitting in your listening area and getting up each time and going over to the sub and turn it down until it blends so you must of meant in the level trim on th AVR so aren't you undoing what Audyseey set for your Sub level ?
If you have an extra pair of hands you can use the subwoofer controls
I have kliptsch r-120sw subs, do you think I should get svs or stay with the kliptsch? Thx.
Honestly you'll be fine with either. Your decision needs to be based off the kind of performance you're looking at. If you want to match your sub with your speakers maybe stay klipsch. If you don't mind mixing brands go with svs. If you need sub calibration or low bass maybe svs would be better. If you don't need a large sub or a lot of power maybe klipsch. It all depends on your needs
Do you set the sw crossover to bypass?
I do not I set my sub crossover to 120hz
Does your receiver do the sw crossover management? What crossover level do you set your sw to while running the audysee?
@@private_Angus turn the subwoofer crossover as high as it goes before calibration. The receiver will do the managing
@@Kpaceguy great! Thanks, will try once I get my second sunfire ;-)
Now and again i think of cancelling my TH-cam fee subscription but when I hear tips and explanations like this, it makes me think... 'oh no',
You can just pay Me directly lol
Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the world wide phenomenon that is, subwoofer integration. 2ways you can do this. Let audyssey choose and leave it, with minor tweaks. Or use your ears. One will take 20mins, and the other will take 20hours. I’m forever playing with mine and recently they threw another spanner at my ears when after a calibration they started performing differently. I don’t know if it was an update of what, because of all the winging over Denon exaggerating their bass. Which was a load of shit. But if they’ve changed it, it for the worse. I’d rather too much, and then tune them than have too little. Either way, I used to be able to set my subwoofer in my old marantz, at 80hz, individually, and the LFE set to 120hz. In my new Denon, I can only set the LFE....so individual Xover is either gone, or extremely well fuckin hidden. Leaves me constantly playing around to get them right. About 2weeks it’s been now. Anyway. Good video man. Keep it up.
ksaunders359 I think. I’m just guessing, it’s been a while since I had my Marantz, but I think it was the sub to mains Xover point, in stereo modes. For surround modes there was just an LFE Xover, which should just be left at 120hz anyway. I don’t change that. But on the Marantz there was a separate low pass filter. I don’t miss it nor do I need it, providing the Denon is doing what it should correctly. Il be better digging the old digital manual out for the Marantz first to find the option.
ksaunders359 with having to do too much research though, I think the LFE is variable because of the different types of speaker available in the market nowadays, some people decide not to use a subwoofer, but full range speakers instead, I think that’s why it’s variable anyway. Either way, in a HT the LFE opens up at 120hz. So I just leave it there at its default. 😀☺️
If your heights are crossed at 80 and you set your sub to 50, where does 50 to 80hz go????
The fronts
LFE channel plays frequency's from 120hz and lower during movie's. Your actually loosing sound from your subwoofers if watching a film. I also see you have your front speakers set to small. If you going to run that low of a xover why not run them large?
Because they play louder when crossed over higher and I found the quality of bass that comes from my speakers vs the subs to sound different. Not necessarily worst or better. But different. I like the low bass to come from my subs because I can calibrate it. It's also far louder. I also listen to music so when I do the subs go off and the speakers go full range of course. I'm aware that the LFE track extends to 120hz but overall I like it lower just because of the sound I get overall.
@@Kpaceguy awesome yeah I guess it all comes down to personal preference. Bye the way I picked up the monolith 7X based on your review. Do you have yours connected to a surge protector or straight to the wall.
Sweet dude it's a phenomenal piece of equipment
Not giving your sub much to do crossing over at 40hz.
Should speakers be set to large or small in an AV receiver?
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Unless your main speakers can go down to 20 hz, I'd set them to small. Crossover at like 60-80 at the lowest. Any decent sub is just going to do a better job at that frequency range than almost any tower speakers.
Those are front L/R. Your speakers Hz settings are ALWAYS completely independent of your sub. On literally every receiver that exists.
I'd refrain from giving advice on HT if you can't even comprehend a visual speaker setup screen on any AVR out there.
ok lets chat man lol this is old vid lol i have all Klipsch's speakers i just bought new sub at costco i play alot movies so i have pahse set to 0 herts to 80 now i watch ready player one its sounds great but i feel like the bass is to much i have vol low i will try to set in the receiver. hit me back man i do have disocrd to You tuber here i love tech stuff but omg i love my movies lol.
You just simply need to turn down your subs to a reasonable volume or if you're able to, find it What frequencies are too loud and adjust them. Try different subwoofer placement
@@Kpaceguy k
You have the phase settings incorrect. If the subs are in front facing you, you generally leave them at 0...if they are in the rear facing in, you out them at 180. If they are on the side walls facing in, use 90 if available). If your subwoofer has crossover frequency on the back of the sub, always choose the highest available number...your receiver will handle the actual frequency via LFE.
Yeah I did the same thing..I have turned the nob all the way to lfe and let the reciever handle it and made changes to LFE in the reciever as well
There are no hard rules like that. Rooms, distances are unique. He mistakes polarity for phase.
@@keywestjimmy Of course there's no hard rules...your ears are the rules...but generally speaking that's how you setup the subs...I made a mistake when setting my 15 inch 1000 watt sub up on both the phase and frequency...once I put it to the maximum frequency and changed the phase to 90, my sub literally sounded and felt twice as good. The phase is less important than the frequency but on some subs it makes a huge difference.
@@JagadeeshPolepalli You should never change the LFE frequency...it's usually defaulted to 120hz and you should keep it there because you may be missing out on some frequency if your other speakers aren't capable of doing lower frequencies well. This is even more important if you have bookshelf sized speakers. On my previous front tower speakers, I had 5.25 inch woofers that really couldn't do frequencies under 80hz well. It wasn't until I got my current towers that have 8 inch woofers that I was able to set them to 60hz and get great sound.
Gurvinder Parmar It seems you get it, but simply suggesting settings is kind of meaningless or maybe misleading. Here is what I would suggest.
Setting phase on a sub:
Since it's easier to hear a null than a peak do this. Reverse the polarity of one speaker (swap + and -) and play a test tone from 20hz to 200hz. Next, from the listening position, ask someone to adjust the phase so you hear a DIP in sound level at some point during the test tone. This creates a null point. Swap your speaker cable back and you're done!
This video is breaking my brain a bit and is not correct.
So much misinformation in this video
Feel free to add your own in the comment section
You’re description isn’t accurate. For one if you cross both @80 you’re not loosing any frequencies. It’s not a hard cut off. Crossover’s have different slopes. Most common are 6, 12, 18, or 24 db per octave. So if you use a 12db per octane crossover @80 hz on you’re mains it will be down 12db @40 hz.