Is 80 Hz the Best Crossover Frequency Setting for Your Speakers? Home Theater Basics
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Techno dad i dont know what reciever u are using but do u know you can set your speakers to small and still cross them over to what ever point you want them at?
I don't think that will make a huge difference honestly.
@Chriswell, yup!
@@TechnoDad ok cool because setting your speakers to small doesnt really mean they are small its for just telling the av wat to do with the rest of the bass frequency
I agree 100%. For my Klipsch 8000F's I have two crossover presets on my Yamaha Aventage Receiver, one for movies @ 60hz, and one for music at @ 40hz. After listening for quite some time I have settled on these settings and could not be happier.
NICE!!!
When THX came up
with the 80Hz standard it was over 25 years ago.
Speakers have improved dramatically since then. Test and listen for yourself to see what’s best for your system
and don’t forget the Surrounds.
Yeah my fronts are dual 10, center is 4 6.5" and all my mains are full sized towers (surrounds: 3-way with 8" sub driver, and, rears are 5-way with 12" sub drivers) . I run my crossover at 40Hz and it's big sound,. I love it!
Nice!!
my fronts are full range and my rears also have wide range, my fronts are 32hz-10khz som my crossover is 60hz both sub and fronts
Its hard to quantify a "fuller sound" because sometimes we like something emphasized or "hyped" even though its technically less accurate
In the end though, it depends on your goals for the system response: do you want accuracy or personalized tonality?
Youll need measurement tools for accuracy. You just need a little time and know how to use your own ear for personal enjoyment
I can't hear a difference, I have the satellites at 120 Hz and the center channel at 130 Hz because that's what the auto-calibration gave me. I have no idea what lowering the Hz does, but I tried it, and it sounds the same. My sub is only 10 inches though. My center channel is the Kliptch R-52C and my satellites are the Kliptch RB-51 II. My receiver doesn't have an option to change to Hz on my sub, but at least I can change the Hz on all the speakers. Maybe someone can help.
Hey man! Did you still have your speakers set to small for this? Also, have you played around with LFE plus Main?
Yes Michael! You have to set them to small even though they may not be small at all! I use LFE+Main for two channel listening.
@@TechnoDad lfe plus main? Is that the same as setting fronts to full range and setting ‘double bass’ on my Onkyo? Cheers!
I'm soo confused. If my bookshelf speakers go down to 64 Hz, should I set my subwoofer crossover lower than this ?.
Hi! I would set the bookshelf speakers to 70Hz if you have that flexibility. Subwoofer LFE should still be set to 120Hz
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Hi TD! Great channel. I don't know a ton about HT, but when I got my Towers (rf8000) I adjusted them to 60hz by ear, bc it sounded right to me. My question: if you have towers set at 50-60hz, is there any benefit or harm to changing setting on Center (if it is rated same as towers in power & range)? Would that cause timbre issues or issues with front soundstage, or could it improve your center image, in your professional opinion? Thanks!
Hi! Great question! As long as your subwoofer is setup to LFE at 120Hz in your AVR, I think you’ll be fine to lower your center channel a bit. I would go 10Hz above the roll off amount. Let’s say the center is rated at 50Hz. I would set it to 60Hz. Make sense?
I always took 40Hz for my Onkyo 818 and now for the Yamaha 2080 with Yamaha NS-777, I would like to go deeper with Yamaha, but it is not possible, don't understand the logic, why is here limit for bass?
No clue!
there isn't. if you want to go past 40hz then for all intents and purposes it's the same as setting your speaker to large which just defeats the crossover and plays your full range signal
I am just getting back into home theater, and this video and others on your channel have helped tremendously. Thanks.
You're VERY welcome Vimal! Thank you for watching!
Agreed, I am not an expert at home Theatre systems but I have been learning a lot from Techno Dad's videos... The guy really knows his stuff.
I think you're 100% correct that it's all subjective and everyone's room is going to sound different. The size of the room, placement of the speakers, and listening distance are all factors that contribute to how the sound is going to change in any given situation. Tweaking to find what sounds best in your room is part of the enjoyment of the hobby (IMHO).
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well my sound system has perfect sound reproduction and my subwoofer crossover is at 64Hz and my subwoofer doesn't make any sounds at the 90Hz frequency perfect sound is not subjective
@@patk2225 I still think "perfect" is subjective though.
well said
01:50 LFE and bass management are not the same thing btw !
Im pretty sure you know this very well Techno Dad but its just the way you said it (phrased it) here sounded like bass management was for LFE or that crossover was for LFE.
LFE is a channel on its own & as long as you have dedicated subwoofers taking in LFE input from AVR/Processors that is it as far as LFE is concerned, nothing to do with crossovers & the other speakers.
Bass management on the other hand is handing over lower frequencies to subwoofers that the main speakers might not be able to produce at all or might struggle to produce without distorting, and as we all know crossover is the cutoff point for this "handing over" of lower frequencies from the main speakers to the subwoofer.
PS: Not trying to be a wise-ass, but thought this clarification is important.
Yeah, I get what you're saying and I do know the difference. Probably is a little confusing...maybe I'll make a video about the difference!
I knew they were different too, and the most confusing part to me was the discussion about the overlap (80 Hz cross over to 120 Hz LFE low pass filter). It's not a real overlap, since the LFE channel is distinct from anything that crosses over via bass management. 🙂
Edit: I watched that portion again and yes it does make sense to say "overlap" as both the sub and mains output something between 80-120Hz. My mind was just looking for the distinction between LFE vs cross over, i.e. they (sub and mains) do not redundantly output the same sound.
Thats why i like my emotiva xmc-1 preamp processor bass management
A lot of av reciever needs to simplify this thing just use crossover for the surround speakers and let the sub handles from where that were set to cut off giving people who dont know much about crossover is gonna screw things up real bad specially on the sub
So @@TechnoDad Do it please cause I still didn't get the difference.
This is really an issue that never seems to go away. Unfortunately many people, myself included fell into the trap of using the recommended 80 hz crossover for all the speakers. I didn't know much about speaker frequency response capability except it was an number in the speaker specs. Like many I purchased speakers based on recommendations from friends and reading reviews; ditto receivers. Needless to say I've wasted a lot of money. Since watching you guys on your daily podcast I have become more knowledgeable. I subscribed to your channel and came across this video. It was truly a great find. My system which consists of ML 60xts, 50xt and FX surrounds with a Polk 10 inch Sub with the FL, FR , FC set to 60 Hz and the FXs left at 80hz has really opened up the sound to the point I sat in amazement when playing my favorite go to CD which is the 1812 Overture on Mercury Living Presence with all the bells, cannon shots, etc. and the Hobbit - Battle of Five Armies movie. BTW my AVR is the Marantz SR7013 with the Emotiva BASX 2 driving the FCR speakers leaving the sub and surrounds to the Marantz (which really had a problem driving the ML 60xts despite what their specs said, that is another story). This is a long post but thank you. Perhaps this is a topic you guys should revisit on your daily podcasts.
i can't believe that there's any dislikes, i mean come on guys. This guy is the real deal and knows what he's talking about.
Thanks Alex!! Haters always going to hate!
he knows a lot he is the real deal,
@@TechnoDad i’m still working on trying to figure out what the perfect crossover would be for Bowers and Wilkins 805 D3 speakers. Any feedback you could give me would be helpful
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Just wanted to say thank you for the tips in this video. I adjusted my crossovers and it made a world of difference. You were definitely correct. I did get a much fuller and even sounding bass from my speakers, especially with fronts. Please keep making videos. I thoroughly enjoy your channel.
For about 10 years I had no idea about crossover frequency settings (I'm 26 but I'm the tech guy in my family lol). I'm going to have to play around with our set up. What did you end up choosing as crossovers for your speakers?
Man, after daaaaays of trying to figure out why the sound was so crappy on my new Wharfdale towers, I came across your video and made the settings make so much more sense! All of a sudden I can hear details again! Thank you!!!!
Great Video! I leave all my settings at 80hz/Atmos at 100hz plus lfe at 120hz dual 12" DB12 subs & sounds perfect for me, all depends on what you like & what equipment you are using. My Fluance Signature series towers going down at 35hz.
2.0 for music i change to full band without the dual subs.
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Even in the Subwoofer range, as frequency goes up, the beams or directionality of the speaker becomes more directional. At lower frequencies, sound tends to sound Omni-Directional or all directional. At above 80hz, the bass sound starts to become more directional. That is, instead of coming from everywhere, it seems to be coming from a specific direction. Now this is a steady process, the higher the frequency, the more you can determine the direction the sound is coming from. Under 80hz, the sound tends to be coming from everywhere which is what you want for Sub-Bass for Movies, and even for Music.
Glad I found this video, cause I’ve been kind of scratching my head about this very topic. Great review!!
Thank you! I'm glad you enjoyed the video.
@@TechnoDad thank you again.
Hi Techo Dad, thought you'd like to know that the bass management in most AVR's sets the subwoofer LPF based on the crossover setting of the main channels HPF setting even if the mains are set to large. The 120Hz LFE LPF setting is independent of this setting. The sub out gets a summed response of bass from the LFE channel with the other bass managed channels. In 2CH Mode if you have your mains set small at 80Hz the bass integrates to the sub at 80Hz as well independent of the LFE LPF setting. I usually recommend always leaving the LFE setting to 120Hz to not truncate any bass that the director intended in the multi-ch movie mix.
The HPF of a THX bass management scheme is actually 12dB/oct while the LPF is 24dB/oct. I believe you said the HPF was 24db/oct. The reason for this is THX originally speced sealed satellite speakers which have a natural rolloff of 12dB/oct so when combined with the sub channel, you should get a perfect blend, in theory. Theory vs reality is much different however. 80Hz is still a good global Xover setting for the bass managed sub output especially if you want to take advantage of the modal averaging benefits of multi-sub across multiple seats. If you set the crossover lower to feed the main channels more bass, you lose this benefit.
Alternatively you can run your mains large and set the crossover to 80Hz for the main channels but then you have to deal with the potential of too much bass in the transition region between the mains and the subs. EQ can help this. Overall 80Hz is still the best and most system compatible crossover setting for 95% of installs IMO. That said, I don't follow my own advice in my primary theater system as I deploy more advanced bass management since I also route LFE to my mains but in my other systems I use 80Hz. Hope this helps.
Wise words from the bass-a-holic himself. Thanks Gene! I was wanting to get your insight on multi-sub placement. I’ve got a lot of people wanting me to make a video about it and I figure you’re one of the experts in that area.
@@TechnoDad sure man, we do have several videos on that topic but I'd be happy to be a guest sometime on your show if you like.
That sounds like a great idea! I’ll shoot you an email.
Audioholics hello I would like to know should I set my dB meter to 70 or 80db to get 75 or 85 and if it is 75 should I set my crossover to 70 am not sure if it have 75 same with 85 it just say 70, 80 and 120 I think
I usually follow SVS's guideline of double what your speaker is rated {eg. 40Hz rating set to 80 75Hz set to 150} Seems to be a good starting point then get closer to actual rating of speakers.
That's a good way to look at it!
I have the Klipsch R-26F, and I used the John Wick club scene as my demo as well. I believe I landed at 60hz for these speakers. I had the towers set to large for months, but after making this change I notice a huge difference in quality.
Nice Brian! Thank you for sharing your experience!
It makes sense to let the sub handle bass. A proper sub will take the stress off small satellites and do it better.
If you have good towers that play low you will notice the difference at 50hz set on the towers. It is night and day
Martin Logan motion 40 for my center, massive difference setting to 60hz, dialogue especially low dialogue was so much better the bass in our large room is much better, also. Addiing an amp to the center aloud this to happen, I tested before and wasn't much difference with channle only getting 90 w from avr but now with monothil amp feeding 300 watts setting at 60hz made a difference now. So it could be speakers might just need power to notice a difference also
Hi Andrew! Yeah, a lot of male voices do go pretty low and a power amp will definitely help the situation!
Well it's interesting to go through all experts idea or suggestion but technically 80hz is THX recommendation which don't go with every other brand speakers. Crossover frequency should be 10 to 20hz higher then the specified lowest frequency of speakers, you can't set 150hz bookshelve speakers to 80hz it will blow your driver coil aswell damage receiver while playing high volume. So I don't go with logic of this setup of 80hz.
A good rule of thumb is to put it 10hz above what the speaker can do at the low end.
I can roll with that.
so if my tower speakers are at 40hz - 22hz then set x-over at 50hz more or less?
@@camf33 If your centre speaker can go deeper than 60 hz, then set the crossover between 60 - 70 hz.
I've been enjoying my Klipsch RF 820s with my SVS SB 4000. Watched over 50 4k movies. Finally got around to using REW. Found I had a big dip at 42 hz despite the great bass. Had to adjust one of the DSP and put it out of phase. Now I'm in heaven all over again 😁
Hi!
I have a yamaha 771 and the dali Zensor 7 front and centre speakers. I've just bought the dali e12f subwoofer. I see that the speakers goes down to 40hz and the central reaches 47hz. So i was thinking to set the front speakers to "large" the centre one to "small" and the sw to 70hz. Im trying not to push the speakers so much, im afraid of damage them, even though I don't use the volume very high.
Anyone who has an opinion I'll appreciate it!
Thanks! Great video.
I had my sub at 80 along with my speakers. I experimented a bit with it at lfe but the localization ruined it for me. I split the difference at 100 hz and it's amazing. Just trust your ears.
Running:
Yamaha aventage 3080
Klipsch 280fs
Klipsch 240s
Klipsch 440c
Klipsch r 115sw
Going to now start experimenting my front stage. Good call.
Nice Wyatt! Let me know how it goes!
Wyatt King, smartest analyzation I’ve ever heard. “Trust your ears.” I’ve always done that too. Same thing when setting speaker level. I have hearing loss in my left ear. Setting the left channels a bit higher balance everything out for me. It may not be great for others in the room with perfect hearing, but it’s my equipment and I paid for it.
I love experimenting with the crossovers, I run 11.2.2 including a 4-way B&W HTM centre, and 12" tower mains, 10"&15" subwoofers, 6.5" everywhere else. I have the 15" sealed velodyne set around 40hz, it moves a lot of air that you feel on your pants its such a nice boost in extension into the sub frequencies. My 10" audio research is ported so its got a punch in the higher 80hz area and i have it set to 90hz. The mains and heights set to large 40hz highpass they sweeten everything at a flat but very full response throughout the entire frequency sweep. the centre although 4-way doesnt have much bass output lower than around 100hz despite its size, its set to 100. Then i have the crossover for the Low frequency extension setting that sends subwoofer signal to the mains as well as the subwoofer, its set to 150hz which seems to sound better.giving all the bass to the mains as well.
Simple fix. Just increase the crossover 20 above the speakers handling ability. Unfortunately Marantz doesn’t give you an option to chose 70HZ in the AVR. You go from 80 to 60. My center goes down to 59 so 80 is the correct spot. My mains go down to 38 so I set those at 60. My height channels are all 150 and my surrounds are 100. This seems to work the best in my room.
Yeah, I hate that about Denon/Marantz…
Thanks for sharing your knowledge., I enjoy your show and have learned plenty.
I hear you when you say it is subjective and I understand why I should probably set all my speakers to small and the receiver crossover point to 80HZ but... when I use YPAO mic to setup my Yamaha RX V473 receiver YPAO changes all the speakers (except the center channel) from small back to large and crossover back from 80 to 120 or sometimes right up to 160HZ
The Yammy receiver is connected to Onkyo SKF-4800 floor-standing front speakers, Onkyo SKC-4800 center speaker, Infinity reference 5.5'' bookshelf rear speakers on stands and Sony SA-WM40 subwoofer.
I mainly listen to rock and country music and stream the occasional movie or tv series.
I struggle to get my head around frequency numbers ans I know is subjective, but without hearing it do you think I should probably still change all the speakers back to small and crossover to 80???
Thanks again, keep up the good work.
What crossover would you recommend for Def Tech Pro Cinema 600 series speakers? They say 120hz is the recommend crossover, but I'm wondering what would happen if i set it at 80hz or 100hz? I'm rolling with dual PB-2000's for my subs. Thanks!
Remember folks, set your speakers to small to get the most out of them and your subwoofer.
I have found that running Audyssey and then going in and making changes with the crossovers along with a few other settings is darn near mandatory. It is tedious but worth it in the end to make these changes. And they will never be correct, no matter how perfect you think you have it, as something will make you go WTF and have you diving in all over again. And remember too, one day you will wake up and your system will just sound different, even though nothing has changed in your settings... Happens to me all of the time, and I am sure it happens to others. I guess it is just age or barometric pressure?
my onkyo tr-646 doesnt have a small or large setting. what do I go by then?
Why it sounds different on any day is cuz of ear wax or water in ears.
I set mine at 100hz.
I have cambridge audio aero series with the bmr drivers. Bmr are brilliant at spreading sound and is fantastic for home cinema as you can never pick out what speaker the sound is coming from. Its just like a bubble of sound everywhere and this can be the case in several listening positions due to their wide dispersion over normal tweets.
I run a 9.2.2 set up and I know my towers and book shelfs go down to 50hz.
But even if it says on the box 50hz. Yes it probably can. But it won't have the same impact attack and at the same dB rating of a decent subwoofer. Unless your speakers cost you thousands!!
I run 2 pb2000 pros. If I lower my hz to say 50hz as my speakers are rated to. I'm robbing the frequencys my subs are able to produce "better" with more power and grunt.
It winds me up when people say it must be this it must be that. Like you say everyone perceives sound differently.
A 100hz sounds best for me. because my drivers are only 6 inches, the lower I set it the less attack I get because Im robbing it from 2 subwoofers that can reproduce it better.
It all depends on your set up.
For me personally your subwoofer is set to 120hz for a reason.
Don't rob it of its capability. Because it will reproduce frequencys below 80hz better than what the average consumer speaker can.
Thats just my 10 cents.
Only issue I have had for ages is i have a room mode at 50hz and have to eq that out on my subs. 🤣.
Setting my speakers to 50hz will just make things worse.
I think the THX specs are great. The subwoofer is filtered at 80Hz and has a 24dB/oct slope. The satellites are filtered at 80Hz with a 12dB/oct slope. The satellites are acoustically filtered at 80Hz with a 12dB/oct slope since they are closed speakers (THX spec). So the summed filter of the satellites will be 24dB/oct.
Everything together should result in a flat line if the volumes match.
Hey man, can you make a video elaborating about having two subwoofers / dual / stereo subwoofer? Thanks
I just ordered the Definitely technology Cs9080 Center Speaker, That Center Speaker is know for its 8" built in subwoofer, But I already have 2 Svs Subwoofers, Should I run the CS 9080 Center Speaker Small or Large to take advantage of the Subwoofer?
Hey, great vid, im just a little confused after this. When you set the crossover to say 50hz, does that mean the subwoofer only does below 50hz?. Or is the bass from 50-80hz shared between both subwoofer and speakers?.
Thank you
My floorstands are lows 26hz capable can i set to 40 or 60hz? What happens if it is my denon x1400h 7.2 avr, is my avr capable?
Very disappointed in Pioneer room calibration. It sets the front speakers to large, which turns off the sub for stereo. Had to change everything to small to make the music come alive. I don’t know which is worse. Automatic Room calibration or TVs coming with video smoothing on.
I have towers with 6 inch drivers and a centre channel with 5 inch drivers.
I still always set them to 100hz. Just my flavour. Even though my towers are rated down to 40hz.
I just tend to think that anything below 100hz no matter how good your speakers are... a decent subwoofer will play them frequencys better!
Recommending that people *listen* to their systems at different settings? Absolutely not. No sir. Blasphemy. HT is all about dialing in settings without the interference of our pathetic "senses." And fighting about those settings on the Internet. /S
Great video. This is a hard subject only because of he amount of variables, I'd say 80 has always been a good reference point for most in a surround system, in years past A/V receivers had somewhat limited bass management options, today things are different at the mid to high end level. One of the factors in a lot of the systems i have setup over the years that use clients legacy towers speakers is the power output of the A/V receiver. If a client had big fairly inefficient towers, lowering the crossover point and adding bass would definitely sap the power from the receiver on surround playback effecting the overall sound of the system, not so much an issue with speakers like Klipsch that are crazy efficient, but speakers that were in the low 80db range power hogs. In my system, my towers run full range in both two channel and surround, they are efficient and have powerful outboard amps pushing them with tons of headroom, but If I had a mid level A/V receiver (Like most people do)I would probably experiment just as you suggested...as you know, manufactures specs can be a little inflated from time to time :-) Anyway not trolling at all, I am an AV pro in my day job and former DJ myself, your info is sound, it's just that there are a ton of factors involved in this people may not consider and you could make a two our video on this...bust only audio nerds like us would watch. Good job brother.
This is very helpful! Thanks!
AVR - Yamaha 5.1 HTR 3072
All Yamaha Bookshelf.
Speakers FREQUENCY.
Center - 58Hz - 45Khz
FS - 57Hz - 45Khz
SS - 62Hz - 20Khz
SW - 20-160Hz
According to abv what crossover is to be set. Currently set 80Hz.
my center speaker fq 47-30 Dali Opticon MK2 wich fq you recomend for my center speaker ??
new subscribers from the philiphines. I have a 3way crossover and im set the freq.to 130hz for the sub and 3.5k for midhigh. Is this right??
For people with cheaper systems even though the towers may play low you may not want to push low frequencies through them because it will take away from the clarity of the mids and highs plus it would be sucking power from the receiver unnecessarily. The sub can better produce the low frequencies over the towers. I usually hand off at 120 hz if there is no mid bass drivers on the towers.
I’m using 2 speakers, only ( Wharfedale 9.1) with my pioneer VSX 933 home cinema receiver ( No subwoofer) i have a choice of cross overs. Either 50, 80, 150, or 200; But not really sure. i think, I Need to do some experimenting on this particular topic; as i do listen to an awful lot of music on CD and on TH-cam. What you say… does make sense.
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On SVS PB-2000pro sub, on the SVS app can I set 120 Hz on the app or do I have to change it in the Yamaha RX-6VA receiver ? Or set it to 120hz on the app and receiver? Kef Q550 and SVS PB-2000pro with Yamaha RX-6VA receiver 2.1 set up
I did an auto calibration my fronts audio pro avantek six when down too 40HZ. My center too 100HZ. My surround 120hz. LFE 120hz . Is this a good setup ? or should i bump up my mains too 80 hz ?
I noticed that my sub was not doing much and everything was being handled by towers. Seen on another video always set to small speakers first even with towers.
That's silly ,why would you buy floorstanders and then make them act like bookshelves?why not buy bookshelves! Setting floorstanders to full range (which they are) is not only logical but it gives you a better sound lol
@@shaundavidssd set them to large now as sub is broken svs is more bang for buck but rel is also good. The old one was 300w so can't go lower.
FREQUENCY RESPONSE
35Hz - 21kHz +/- 3dB
SENSITIVITY
97 dB @ 2.83V/1M
POWER HANDLING (CONT/PEAK)
150W/600W
NOMINAL IMPEDANCE
8 ohms Compatible
CROSSOVER FREQUENCY
1,700 Hz hi.. this is my front tower speakers details . please tell me what is the best settings in my av receiver frequency Hz of front and sub crossover ?
Testing and making adjustments to your bass using movies as a reference? Let me know how that works out for you when your favorite movie sounds good to you but everything else sounds like crap. If you're not using a Sine sweep you're going to be watching movies all day long trying to figure out where the peaks and nulls are in your bass and go to bed discouraged when you can't find them.
80 hz is still somewhat directional. Why would I want to listen to this frequency in mono rather than surround?
Hi, I have new flagship Denon AVC110 Great. Setup using a mic. After watching many youtube post now decided to set up a manual. Great. My question is my 2ch music has SVS sub and B&W CDM9 I have set Sub + Mains and Front speaker to large with cross-over set at 80Hz. I have set my films to all speakers small and the subwoofer only cross-over 80Hz. my side speakers are CDM1 B&W and all my speakers are wired 5.1 Bi-amp. Any tips or advice I could consider trying out would be great full.
Hi Techno dad, would you set you these floorstanders to 40hz if it had these specs:
Frequency Response (+/- 3 dB): 44Hz - 22kHz, Nominal Impedance: 6ohm, Sensitivity: 92dB
Q acoustic 3050 Floorstanding
Marantz 6007 av receiver
Thanks
My receiver is a denon x4300h
My speakers are all Polk signature speakers rated for 80 htz crossover. if I set all my speakers to small on a 9.2 setup and crossover at 80 with my subs on life. What do I set the subs cross over at.. is it 80 the same as speaker crossover or 60 or at 100 . So my basic question is where should I set my sub crossover. I’m running 4 subs 10” 400 watt but in fact 200 watt power.
I’m confused so I’m general what do I do
Thanks
Barry Chapelle
HI I have Canton movie 75 ,5.1 speakers, set at 80hz on Denon x3700, is this good for these speakers, canton says frequency range 120-2500hz and crossover frequency 5hz
Hi buddy
I just ran Audyssey on My Denon AVR-X2200, it set my Monitor Audio Bronze 500’s to 40hz, it set my Monitor Audio Bronze C150 to 40hz and the Monitor Audio Bronze 50 which I use as rears to 40hz
I then put them all at 80hz (as we all do)
It set my Fronts as Large, so I changed them to Small
What would YOU set the crossovers at on my setup? Here are what my speakers can do
I’m running 1 x subwoofer which is a BK XXLS400 FF and have it set to LFE only
BRONZE 50
Frequency Response (-6 dB)
62 - 25,000 Hz (Free field)
40 - 30,000 Hz (In room)
Sensitivity (2.83v @ 1m)
85 dB
Nominal Impedance
8 ohms
Minimum Impedance
4.4 ohms
Maximum SPL
107 dBA (pair)
Power Handling (RMS)
80 W
Recommended Amplifier Requirements
20 - 80 W
Bass Alignment
Bass reflex - HiVe II port system
Crossover Frequency
2,500 Hz
Drive Unit Complement
1 x 51/2" C-CAM bass/mid-range driver
1 x 25 mm C-CAM Gold Dome tweeter with UD Waveguide
BRONZE 500 FLOORSTANDERS
System Format
21/2-Way
Frequency Response (-6 dB)
41 - 25,000 Hz (Free field)
32 - 30,000 Hz (In room)
Sensitivity (2.83v @ 1m)
90 dB
Nominal Impedance
8 ohms
Minimum Impedance
4.1 ohms
Maximum SPL
116 dBA (pair)
Power Handling (RMS)
200 W
Recommended Amplifier Requirements
60 - 200 W
Bass Alignment
Bass reflex Dual HiVe II port system
Crossover Frequency
550 Hz
2,700 Hz
Drive Unit Complement
2 x 8" C-CAM midbass driver
1 x 25 mm C-CAM Gold Dome tweeter with UD Waveguide
BRONZE C150 CENTRE
System Format
2-Way
Frequency Response (-6 dB)
83 - 25,000 Hz (Free field)
66 - 30,000 Hz (In room)
Sensitivity (2.83v @ 1m)
88 dB
Nominal Impedance
8 ohms
Minimum Impedance
4.3 ohms
Maximum SPL
109 dBA (each)
Power Handling (RMS)
120 W
Recommended Amplifier Requirements
30 - 120 W
Bass Alignment
Sealed cabinet
Crossover Frequency
2,700 Hz
Drive Unit Complement
2 x 51/2" C-CAM mid-range driver
1 x 25 mm C-CAM Gold Dome tweeter with UD Waveguide
Brothers i am experiencing too much base from my sub. Gain is 12 clock. And Low pass filter knob is set to LFE on my klipsch R12 and level of that sub is set to -10db.
And rest all speakers ( main are tower speakers) are set on 80hz.
Dont know why but there is too much bass. Should i keep Low filter knob to 80hz?
I want to get rid of that boomy bass.
My avr is yamaha A2A
Towers are polk signatures S20
I have a speakerset with 45-20.000 and An active subwoofer...I use the Legend album of Bonfire at Deezer to setup. I put the crossover at 120. For me this sounds great...but did I do IT correct? My volume is in the middle.
I have JBL tower front speakers and Velodyn SPL Ultra sub. My receiver is Yamaha RX-A1050. I have set all the speakers to small. Mains crossover to 60Hz and sub to direct so that the bass management is handled by the Receiver. Is that the correct setting for the sub. Previously one of the technicians set the sub to 80Hz together with all the speakers.
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Thank you!
I bought an Onkyo receiver and it calibrated my Bose surround sound speakers to 40 hz. Can I change that setting to 80 hz?
My Yamaha RX-V673 receiver has only one crossover number you can set, so I guess I cannot achieve the overlap, correct? If so, I assume I would use the lower crossover point. Does that make the subwoofer have too little range?
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So my Denon only does 40/60/80/90/100/110/120 Would love to set the L/R at 50 can't. So i set them at 60 as the center will do 55 & the L/R can go down to 40 (don't feel like putting the L/R at there max 40) close enough on the center at 55, once i did wow sounds popped hard to explain. Fuller sound as you letter that extra sounds go through the L/R/C...... This is even after room correction.
So here is an idea. Get the mic out and take measurements. Or don't if your equipment is garbage anyway.
I let the subs handle my bass free's up more power for the receiver to produce mids and highs. Now if you have high end or large driver speakers with powerful amps by all means set the Crossover differently. I once had 3 towers containing 15 inch drivers with Monoblock amps powering each one was no need for a subwoofer at all for the speakers 🔊 get it!
Yeah, I get it. I forgot to mention that I have a power amp for my ear level speakers.
Hi my front speaker is 30 hz and my center is 57 hz . How much must be my sub level? 50 or 80. Please help
Thanks for sharing. I have a question i hook up a mixer for karaoke to a receiver so should the mixer and receiver be set at the same cross over frequency? Usually I set my mixer at 80hz and then 70hz for the receiver to crossover to front speakers and sub but I don’t know if that is the correct connection or not. Please help. Thanks very much
The other point is that Amps need much more power to drive lower frequencies than high ones - Active Subs have their own amplification. So by letting your Sub handle
80hz for me, Let the sub do the work as any calibration software will have more filters in the LFE then your main speakers.
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For movies 80hz might be best but I listen to music mostly and hard rock. I found for that 110-120 sounds best. Kicks harder on kick drum and low guitar. Ok found out why setting my mains to 110-120 sounds best. I have bad ass towers and 2 r112sw subs. My receiver is cheap as fuck and can't change woofer while on lfe it sets sub to what my mains are set to
I have a Yamaha A3070. After running YPAO it put all speakers as Large. I have a 300 watt Energy sub and I immediately noticed almost nothing was coming out of the sub and bass overall was way too low. Once I set the the LRC speakers to small I could set the crossovers and I didn't notice much bass going to the sub until I hit 70hz. once I hit 80hz it seemed about perfect. I don't know if this is just a Yamaha thing but I would imagine other AVRs do the same thing which you did not touch upon. If the crossover is set lower on the front main speakers the receiver just does not send nearly as much bass to the subwoofer so its pointless to set it lower than 70-80hz. Anyone else notice this with their AVR?
The Yamaha mobile app has a few more settings, Like Subwoofer trim, extra bass, etc.. you could try playing with
Just watched and great review . Got a question . I have the Q Acoustics 3050i floorstanding speakers and the Q Acoustics 3090ci centre speaker with two svs sb1000 subs and 4 svs prime Elevation speakers two for Heights and the other two for rears all set at 80hz would you suggest setting the fronts to 50hz and the centre to 70hz and what would suggestion be for the Heights and rears .
Many Thanks .
Wedge .
Hi guys,my set up is marantz nr1711 with dali oberon 3,zensor vokal and fazon mikro rear speakers,i cant hear the different between 80 and 90hz on my surround speakers so i leave it on 80hz,sound its good,great video✌️
good channel but please get rid of the annoying music playing the background when you're speaking
120 or lower there's no point in buying a sub that expensive
if you're gonna cut its limitations in half
Couldn't imagine it
80hz is the standard for THX but is it truely the right set up to have everything at 80hz? Maybe for
bookshelf speakers but should you be setting up actual tower speakers, subs and 4 speaker center channels to that??? If that's the case why have a dial and settings for Hz at all. I myself don't buy into the 80hz for it to be the one and all setting. I consider it to be a safe setting in thst nobody wants to be bothered of having to set things up especially with terrible hearing or as the basic starting point of setting up your system. My towers are set to full but they are real towers not medium ones that come up to my knee caps, I have my 4 speaker center channel set to 60HZ and had my two Subs set to 80hz but I wasn't happy with it I bumped them up to 90hz much better.
My bookshelf (rear surrounds) goes down upto 55 hz. Is it okay if i set them to 70 hz crossover?
I have the leviton aeh50-bl jbl system 3.5" satellite speakers with 150Hz - 20Hz response. What would be the best crossover setting?
Your satellite speakers are rated at 150Hz-20Khz, your subwoofer is rated at 150Hz down to 35Hz. So if you're able to set the crossover in your receiver, set your main speakers to small and then set their crossover to 150 or 160Hz, that way anything under 150Hz, your subwoofer will naturally pick up and blend all the way down to 35Hz or close enough as the ratings and RMS on those arent that great, but it should still work. Being that your satellite speakers (mains, not subwoofer) bottom out at 150hz, you do not want to set them to 80Hz crossover and then crank the volume as you risk blowing the speakers.
@@smklvr69 thank you! I really appreciate it.
Depends on your setup.
I have my center and rear at 80hz hp
Fronts at 35hz hp
Subs 40hz and 15hz bandpass
All 48db per oactive
that's an interesting spelling for "octave"
@@RapttorX lol
Thanks for a great video, I agree with using your ears with the equipment you have, why would you buy some nice towers that have good bass extension and then as you say chop it off at the legs with a higher crossover point, the only reason you might do this is if you are having bass problems in your room from your fronts because of positioning that you are stuck with or because of room size or furniture etc I don't have a sub (I live in a flat) but i set my crossover to the centre to 80hz which is the same as the speaker manaufacturers specs, and 100hz for my small surround speakers, again the same as the manufacturers specs, it takes away a lot of strain from the smaller speakers and they sound clearer for it, but if you can, run your fronts full range, but play around with the crossovers like you say and let your ears decide
Hi have a question I have jbl studio 590 speaker what is the best settings for 2 channel only set to small are large
It's refreshing to see a video keeping an open mind about crossovers and not just saying "Set crossover on all your speakers to 80Hz. Period." like so many out there. Especially when it comes to the center channel.
Yes. 80hz is probably the best crossover because 1) most decent speakers can go down that low 2) Most humans can hear that bass as tight 3) at that crossover point, there is a peak, an automatic boost for your L&R + subwoofer are playing that.
Yep what he said. But i think he's totally wro..
RIGHT AT ALL HIS POINTS.
When you are doing this to your speakers let's say the centre speaker do you disable all the other speakers❓
Sometimes even 120 Hz isn't the best crossover for a subwoofer, depending on the subwoofer driver, you may loose some mid bass, in some situations with a small diameter Subwoofer driver in 8" or 6.75" diameters. I've been learning a lot about sound engineering the last few months, just out of my own curiosity, and 100 Hz, or 80 Hz isn't the be all end all for crossovers.
Crossover is only part, what about level adjustment at the same time.
Channa, thank you very much i purchased the rf7 iii and rc64 due to you and youthman. Can you give me an up to date crossover starting point from your experience yhat i can set my front stage at. I would appreciate that. Thanks again. Also small or large for the rf7 iii and rc-64 iii
Thanks for the educational video. Here is a quick question regarding the "cut off at the legs" argument for the tower speakers that go down to 32 Hz. Couldn't one make the same argument for the sub? In other words, if my sub goes up to 150 Hz, why cut it off at the legs by setting the crossover all the way down at 60 Hz? Why not set my crossover to 100 Hz, and let my powered sub handle more of the bass that it is specifically designed to handle, which also frees up my receiver's power to focus more on the mid and high range frequencies handled by my front main speakers? Thank in advance if you respond.
Hi Max! Glad you enjoyed this video. Set the sub to LFE on the back of the sub, which tells the sub to let the AVR handle the crossover. In the Bass management area of the AVR, have the LFE set to 120Hz. That's the "standard" setup. That's how I have mine setup.
Who in the hell said to set a sub crossover at 60????
What if your speaker’s are not thx then what hz do you set speakers at?
where do you set the crossover freq ? at the SW ? The other channels don't care about the setting for the SW. So is it at the receiver/amp ? I don't think there's a frequency cutoff setting, or is there ?
You explain everything so well dude. Thank you!! Question....I have older Polk satellites..will they have that number on the speaker somewhere?..Sorry but I would look,but I won’t be home for at least a month..lol. Thanks again...And don’t worry about the folks that cant make sense of good advice..just sayin..