Techno dad i dont know what reciever u are using but do u know you can set your speakers to small and still cross them over to what ever point you want them at?
@@TechnoDad ok cool because setting your speakers to small doesnt really mean they are small its for just telling the av wat to do with the rest of the bass frequency
Man, after daaaaays of trying to figure out why the sound was so crappy on my new Wharfdale towers, I came across your video and made the settings make so much more sense! All of a sudden I can hear details again! Thank you!!!!
When THX came up with the 80Hz standard it was over 25 years ago. Speakers have improved dramatically since then. Test and listen for yourself to see what’s best for your system and don’t forget the Surrounds.
@@TechnoDad i’m still working on trying to figure out what the perfect crossover would be for Bowers and Wilkins 805 D3 speakers. Any feedback you could give me would be helpful
This is really an issue that never seems to go away. Unfortunately many people, myself included fell into the trap of using the recommended 80 hz crossover for all the speakers. I didn't know much about speaker frequency response capability except it was an number in the speaker specs. Like many I purchased speakers based on recommendations from friends and reading reviews; ditto receivers. Needless to say I've wasted a lot of money. Since watching you guys on your daily podcast I have become more knowledgeable. I subscribed to your channel and came across this video. It was truly a great find. My system which consists of ML 60xts, 50xt and FX surrounds with a Polk 10 inch Sub with the FL, FR , FC set to 60 Hz and the FXs left at 80hz has really opened up the sound to the point I sat in amazement when playing my favorite go to CD which is the 1812 Overture on Mercury Living Presence with all the bells, cannon shots, etc. and the Hobbit - Battle of Five Armies movie. BTW my AVR is the Marantz SR7013 with the Emotiva BASX 2 driving the FCR speakers leaving the sub and surrounds to the Marantz (which really had a problem driving the ML 60xts despite what their specs said, that is another story). This is a long post but thank you. Perhaps this is a topic you guys should revisit on your daily podcasts.
I think you're 100% correct that it's all subjective and everyone's room is going to sound different. The size of the room, placement of the speakers, and listening distance are all factors that contribute to how the sound is going to change in any given situation. Tweaking to find what sounds best in your room is part of the enjoyment of the hobby (IMHO).
well my sound system has perfect sound reproduction and my subwoofer crossover is at 64Hz and my subwoofer doesn't make any sounds at the 90Hz frequency perfect sound is not subjective
Every video of yours is detailed and of professional level. Your way of mixing humour with the facts, is what makes the viewers keen on listening to you, without making them bored. I appreciate your efforts. Thanks and keep going.
It's refreshing to see a video keeping an open mind about crossovers and not just saying "Set crossover on all your speakers to 80Hz. Period." like so many out there. Especially when it comes to the center channel.
Just wanted to say thank you for the tips in this video. I adjusted my crossovers and it made a world of difference. You were definitely correct. I did get a much fuller and even sounding bass from my speakers, especially with fronts. Please keep making videos. I thoroughly enjoy your channel.
For about 10 years I had no idea about crossover frequency settings (I'm 26 but I'm the tech guy in my family lol). I'm going to have to play around with our set up. What did you end up choosing as crossovers for your speakers?
Great Video! I leave all my settings at 80hz/Atmos at 100hz plus lfe at 120hz dual 12" DB12 subs & sounds perfect for me, all depends on what you like & what equipment you are using. My Fluance Signature series towers going down at 35hz. 2.0 for music i change to full band without the dual subs.
I usually follow SVS's guideline of double what your speaker is rated {eg. 40Hz rating set to 80 75Hz set to 150} Seems to be a good starting point then get closer to actual rating of speakers.
I have the Klipsch R-26F, and I used the John Wick club scene as my demo as well. I believe I landed at 60hz for these speakers. I had the towers set to large for months, but after making this change I notice a huge difference in quality.
Hi Techo Dad, thought you'd like to know that the bass management in most AVR's sets the subwoofer LPF based on the crossover setting of the main channels HPF setting even if the mains are set to large. The 120Hz LFE LPF setting is independent of this setting. The sub out gets a summed response of bass from the LFE channel with the other bass managed channels. In 2CH Mode if you have your mains set small at 80Hz the bass integrates to the sub at 80Hz as well independent of the LFE LPF setting. I usually recommend always leaving the LFE setting to 120Hz to not truncate any bass that the director intended in the multi-ch movie mix. The HPF of a THX bass management scheme is actually 12dB/oct while the LPF is 24dB/oct. I believe you said the HPF was 24db/oct. The reason for this is THX originally speced sealed satellite speakers which have a natural rolloff of 12dB/oct so when combined with the sub channel, you should get a perfect blend, in theory. Theory vs reality is much different however. 80Hz is still a good global Xover setting for the bass managed sub output especially if you want to take advantage of the modal averaging benefits of multi-sub across multiple seats. If you set the crossover lower to feed the main channels more bass, you lose this benefit. Alternatively you can run your mains large and set the crossover to 80Hz for the main channels but then you have to deal with the potential of too much bass in the transition region between the mains and the subs. EQ can help this. Overall 80Hz is still the best and most system compatible crossover setting for 95% of installs IMO. That said, I don't follow my own advice in my primary theater system as I deploy more advanced bass management since I also route LFE to my mains but in my other systems I use 80Hz. Hope this helps.
Wise words from the bass-a-holic himself. Thanks Gene! I was wanting to get your insight on multi-sub placement. I’ve got a lot of people wanting me to make a video about it and I figure you’re one of the experts in that area.
Audioholics hello I would like to know should I set my dB meter to 70 or 80db to get 75 or 85 and if it is 75 should I set my crossover to 70 am not sure if it have 75 same with 85 it just say 70, 80 and 120 I think
I agree 100%. For my Klipsch 8000F's I have two crossover presets on my Yamaha Aventage Receiver, one for movies @ 60hz, and one for music at @ 40hz. After listening for quite some time I have settled on these settings and could not be happier.
Even in the Subwoofer range, as frequency goes up, the beams or directionality of the speaker becomes more directional. At lower frequencies, sound tends to sound Omni-Directional or all directional. At above 80hz, the bass sound starts to become more directional. That is, instead of coming from everywhere, it seems to be coming from a specific direction. Now this is a steady process, the higher the frequency, the more you can determine the direction the sound is coming from. Under 80hz, the sound tends to be coming from everywhere which is what you want for Sub-Bass for Movies, and even for Music.
I've been enjoying my Klipsch RF 820s with my SVS SB 4000. Watched over 50 4k movies. Finally got around to using REW. Found I had a big dip at 42 hz despite the great bass. Had to adjust one of the DSP and put it out of phase. Now I'm in heaven all over again 😁
I had my sub at 80 along with my speakers. I experimented a bit with it at lfe but the localization ruined it for me. I split the difference at 100 hz and it's amazing. Just trust your ears. Running: Yamaha aventage 3080 Klipsch 280fs Klipsch 240s Klipsch 440c Klipsch r 115sw Going to now start experimenting my front stage. Good call.
Wyatt King, smartest analyzation I’ve ever heard. “Trust your ears.” I’ve always done that too. Same thing when setting speaker level. I have hearing loss in my left ear. Setting the left channels a bit higher balance everything out for me. It may not be great for others in the room with perfect hearing, but it’s my equipment and I paid for it.
01:50 LFE and bass management are not the same thing btw ! Im pretty sure you know this very well Techno Dad but its just the way you said it (phrased it) here sounded like bass management was for LFE or that crossover was for LFE. LFE is a channel on its own & as long as you have dedicated subwoofers taking in LFE input from AVR/Processors that is it as far as LFE is concerned, nothing to do with crossovers & the other speakers. Bass management on the other hand is handing over lower frequencies to subwoofers that the main speakers might not be able to produce at all or might struggle to produce without distorting, and as we all know crossover is the cutoff point for this "handing over" of lower frequencies from the main speakers to the subwoofer. PS: Not trying to be a wise-ass, but thought this clarification is important.
I knew they were different too, and the most confusing part to me was the discussion about the overlap (80 Hz cross over to 120 Hz LFE low pass filter). It's not a real overlap, since the LFE channel is distinct from anything that crosses over via bass management. 🙂 Edit: I watched that portion again and yes it does make sense to say "overlap" as both the sub and mains output something between 80-120Hz. My mind was just looking for the distinction between LFE vs cross over, i.e. they (sub and mains) do not redundantly output the same sound.
A lot of av reciever needs to simplify this thing just use crossover for the surround speakers and let the sub handles from where that were set to cut off giving people who dont know much about crossover is gonna screw things up real bad specially on the sub
I love experimenting with the crossovers, I run 11.2.2 including a 4-way B&W HTM centre, and 12" tower mains, 10"&15" subwoofers, 6.5" everywhere else. I have the 15" sealed velodyne set around 40hz, it moves a lot of air that you feel on your pants its such a nice boost in extension into the sub frequencies. My 10" audio research is ported so its got a punch in the higher 80hz area and i have it set to 90hz. The mains and heights set to large 40hz highpass they sweeten everything at a flat but very full response throughout the entire frequency sweep. the centre although 4-way doesnt have much bass output lower than around 100hz despite its size, its set to 100. Then i have the crossover for the Low frequency extension setting that sends subwoofer signal to the mains as well as the subwoofer, its set to 150hz which seems to sound better.giving all the bass to the mains as well.
Your the man techno dad I tried it on my polk tower speakers which can go down to 40 Hz set my ROTEL processor mains to 60 Hz and left my center and surrounds at 80Hz and set subwoofer at 120Hz and made a big difference to bass performance over the recommended ROTEL default settings which was 100Hz.
Thanks for sharing your knowledge., I enjoy your show and have learned plenty. I hear you when you say it is subjective and I understand why I should probably set all my speakers to small and the receiver crossover point to 80HZ but... when I use YPAO mic to setup my Yamaha RX V473 receiver YPAO changes all the speakers (except the center channel) from small back to large and crossover back from 80 to 120 or sometimes right up to 160HZ The Yammy receiver is connected to Onkyo SKF-4800 floor-standing front speakers, Onkyo SKC-4800 center speaker, Infinity reference 5.5'' bookshelf rear speakers on stands and Sony SA-WM40 subwoofer. I mainly listen to rock and country music and stream the occasional movie or tv series. I struggle to get my head around frequency numbers ans I know is subjective, but without hearing it do you think I should probably still change all the speakers back to small and crossover to 80??? Thanks again, keep up the good work.
I just ordered the Definitely technology Cs9080 Center Speaker, That Center Speaker is know for its 8" built in subwoofer, But I already have 2 Svs Subwoofers, Should I run the CS 9080 Center Speaker Small or Large to take advantage of the Subwoofer?
Thanks for the educational video. Here is a quick question regarding the "cut off at the legs" argument for the tower speakers that go down to 32 Hz. Couldn't one make the same argument for the sub? In other words, if my sub goes up to 150 Hz, why cut it off at the legs by setting the crossover all the way down at 60 Hz? Why not set my crossover to 100 Hz, and let my powered sub handle more of the bass that it is specifically designed to handle, which also frees up my receiver's power to focus more on the mid and high range frequencies handled by my front main speakers? Thank in advance if you respond.
Hi Max! Glad you enjoyed this video. Set the sub to LFE on the back of the sub, which tells the sub to let the AVR handle the crossover. In the Bass management area of the AVR, have the LFE set to 120Hz. That's the "standard" setup. That's how I have mine setup.
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FYI, I've disconnected my subs from the floor with shock platforms usually used for say, monitors or guitar amps on risers. This allows them to move a bit and direct more sound into the listening area, and less into the carpeted floor. Huge difference after tuning!!
Nice! I always decouple my subwoofer from the floor. I even do that with my center channel. I also do that in my music studio with monitors and my large Marshall tube combo. I have found a product that will do the same for speakers but it's pricey. I need to make a video on them soon!
@@TechnoDad Channa, This may be off topic here. I'm an acoustic and electric guitarist now that I've semi-retired. Mo time, mo music. :-) I have software to slow tracks maintaining pitch, changing keys, altered tunings, etc, for learning to play new stuff. But I'd like to improve my software arsenal for recording. As you know, many recorded versions of songs have two or three guitars which you have to combine into fewer instruments for a live performance--unless you have the rare luxury of three guitarists! True, combining parts is learning event that increases knowledge and promotes a better sound, but it can be tedious. I'd like to play the different parts myself and mix them. I'd have to add some percussion and base, etc. Do you think one platform, say Apple has the best music apps? It's amazing that we can afford software and hardware that used to cost hundreds of thousands of bucks and took up half a room. :-) Is there a better place to get your thoughts? Thx!!!
In-room extension is always lower than the speaker's natural rolloff. I have found that in most rooms, given the typical slope of crossovers, your best setting will be a half-octave above the spec'd -3dB rolloff. So multiply the speaker's -3dB point by 1.5 and you will usually nail it, barring phase alignment issues.
I like your video! It's refreshing to hear advice telling people to to try out different settings to see what sounds best for their unique setup, rather than pretending to know something specific about something with so many variables. I loved how you described your process, particularly how you explained why you chose the test clip that you did. Great information. My 5.2.4 Atmos setup in the family room is set at 80Hz because it sounds best with my Boston HS-40 surrounds and height speakers. My 5.1 in the man cave, however, is set at 60Hz because it sounds fuller with my Infinity Sterling SS-03 speakers. The right crossover point really does depend upon speaker size and placement, and room size and acoustics. New fan of your channel! Thank you!
Hello Drake, and welcome! I am a music producer and DJ, so I play around with frequencies all the time when mixing music. There are times where you just have to trust your ears. You said it yourself, there are too many variables and making a broad statement about what it should be set to is a difficult thing.
Just watched and great review . Got a question . I have the Q Acoustics 3050i floorstanding speakers and the Q Acoustics 3090ci centre speaker with two svs sb1000 subs and 4 svs prime Elevation speakers two for Heights and the other two for rears all set at 80hz would you suggest setting the fronts to 50hz and the centre to 70hz and what would suggestion be for the Heights and rears . Many Thanks . Wedge .
Great explanations I’m considering buying the mono price monolith 3 Channel LCR in wall speakers. I can’t decide between the ones that have 4 woofers versus 2 woofers. I’m setting up a home theater - 3800 cubic feet. I have two RSL sub woofers. Do I need the extra woofers in the LCRs
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What crossover would you recommend for Def Tech Pro Cinema 600 series speakers? They say 120hz is the recommend crossover, but I'm wondering what would happen if i set it at 80hz or 100hz? I'm rolling with dual PB-2000's for my subs. Thanks!
When we adjust crossover accordingly, is there a point to set the avr for either small or large speakers? Audioholics recommends to set the 3 main speakers to small in a HT set-up.
Your satellite speakers are rated at 150Hz-20Khz, your subwoofer is rated at 150Hz down to 35Hz. So if you're able to set the crossover in your receiver, set your main speakers to small and then set their crossover to 150 or 160Hz, that way anything under 150Hz, your subwoofer will naturally pick up and blend all the way down to 35Hz or close enough as the ratings and RMS on those arent that great, but it should still work. Being that your satellite speakers (mains, not subwoofer) bottom out at 150hz, you do not want to set them to 80Hz crossover and then crank the volume as you risk blowing the speakers.
Thanks for the video. After 20 years I had to replace my receiver. I got at Onkyo & have Bose speaker set up. My previous receiver didn’t have this cross over stuff. Should I set ALL speakers at 80hz crossover? Or the LFE at 80 & the F S C at 100?? Please help.
Thank you for the information. What I got out of this video we need towho what are our speakers frequency can handle also. Larger or tower speakers. I have Bose 601 series 1 speakers for my front. They are very big and very old. Would I consider those tower or large speakers?
i agree with you views on crossovers there's a disc delos de 3179 which has a 20,000 to 15 hz test to see where your main speakers rolloff hope this helps good video
Thanks for sharing. I have a question i hook up a mixer for karaoke to a receiver so should the mixer and receiver be set at the same cross over frequency? Usually I set my mixer at 80hz and then 70hz for the receiver to crossover to front speakers and sub but I don’t know if that is the correct connection or not. Please help. Thanks very much
Hi 👋 Dear, I watched your video, But I need a better tone, midrange more for my listening stereo music. I have Parasound Pre P6 , Power A21 + , speakers RP 8000 F. I very comfortable with this setup now, but I need more tribe, midrange, can you advise which separate pair of cross over can I buy it which brand should I get one ☝️ How it can be connected in my pre amp and power amp. I need more low frequencies. Please advise waiting for your reply thanks 🙏.
For people with cheaper systems even though the towers may play low you may not want to push low frequencies through them because it will take away from the clarity of the mids and highs plus it would be sucking power from the receiver unnecessarily. The sub can better produce the low frequencies over the towers. I usually hand off at 120 hz if there is no mid bass drivers on the towers.
My Yamaha RX-V673 receiver has only one crossover number you can set, so I guess I cannot achieve the overlap, correct? If so, I assume I would use the lower crossover point. Does that make the subwoofer have too little range?
Great video; question, when having large towers as front speakers like the Rf-7's or other, does it also make sense to put the speakers at large instead of tweaking the crossover? Again I haven't tried any if this yet, but I wanted your input on this. Tks for reading
Hey, great vid, im just a little confused after this. When you set the crossover to say 50hz, does that mean the subwoofer only does below 50hz?. Or is the bass from 50-80hz shared between both subwoofer and speakers?. Thank you
Thanks for a great video, I agree with using your ears with the equipment you have, why would you buy some nice towers that have good bass extension and then as you say chop it off at the legs with a higher crossover point, the only reason you might do this is if you are having bass problems in your room from your fronts because of positioning that you are stuck with or because of room size or furniture etc I don't have a sub (I live in a flat) but i set my crossover to the centre to 80hz which is the same as the speaker manaufacturers specs, and 100hz for my small surround speakers, again the same as the manufacturers specs, it takes away a lot of strain from the smaller speakers and they sound clearer for it, but if you can, run your fronts full range, but play around with the crossovers like you say and let your ears decide
My speakers are 8” Polk in ceiling and an in ceiling center channel. I found I had to raise crossover to 100 or 120 to correct muffle sound. Should I start over and do something different to make the crossover closer to 80?
Channa, thank you very much i purchased the rf7 iii and rc64 due to you and youthman. Can you give me an up to date crossover starting point from your experience yhat i can set my front stage at. I would appreciate that. Thanks again. Also small or large for the rf7 iii and rc-64 iii
I think that the 80Hz crossover has more to do with creating uniformity in your theater. It might sound better at your one seat to have your towers playing below 80hz...but it might actually make it sound worse at another seat in your theater. It also may be that your seat has a null at 50 Hz because of your sub placement...and so you are getting to actually hear the 50 hz sounds when you adjust your front speaker crossover. If you have bass uniformity from good subwoofers then the fullness will be there if your other speakers are at 80hz. Having multiple Subs really helps with uniformity not only at your primary seat but across all seats in your theater. But it takes proper placement of the subs. And unfortunately the location of your front towers is not usually the optimal for creating uniform bass.
Hi! I have a yamaha 771 and the dali Zensor 7 front and centre speakers. I've just bought the dali e12f subwoofer. I see that the speakers goes down to 40hz and the central reaches 47hz. So i was thinking to set the front speakers to "large" the centre one to "small" and the sw to 70hz. Im trying not to push the speakers so much, im afraid of damage them, even though I don't use the volume very high. Anyone who has an opinion I'll appreciate it! Thanks! Great video.
I have a question, on my 5.1 AV receiver I set front, center and surround to small, front crossover set on 80 Hz and center and surround set on 120 Hz (here I am not sure if I made the right choice). How to set my surround and center speaker crossover if in speaker specification say that: center and surround frequency range 150 Hz-20.000 Hz? 80 - 120 Hz isn't too low if the frequency range of the speakers is between 150-20,000 Hz?
where do you set the crossover freq ? at the SW ? The other channels don't care about the setting for the SW. So is it at the receiver/amp ? I don't think there's a frequency cutoff setting, or is there ?
Thank you Channa. I have this setup and would like/appreciate your opinion. RF-7IIIs, RC-64III, 4 RP-600M & 4 CDT5800s and a JTR 4000 sub. All running off a Marantz 8015. Right now I have everything crossed to the sub at 120Hz. Your thoughts?
I have the Polk S15 bookshelf speakers mounted on the wall beside the TV and Pold S10 speakers as my surround back speakers. I also have the S35 Polk center speaker and have a Klipsch 12" sub. What would you set the crossovers for on all the speakers and also the sub? Thanks, Scott
I have a speakerset with 45-20.000 and An active subwoofer...I use the Legend album of Bonfire at Deezer to setup. I put the crossover at 120. For me this sounds great...but did I do IT correct? My volume is in the middle.
I have JBL tower front speakers and Velodyn SPL Ultra sub. My receiver is Yamaha RX-A1050. I have set all the speakers to small. Mains crossover to 60Hz and sub to direct so that the bass management is handled by the Receiver. Is that the correct setting for the sub. Previously one of the technicians set the sub to 80Hz together with all the speakers.
I understand what you're saying about crossover settings in your video. There's one part of surround sound setup that most people repeatedly skip over I noticed. Where do you set the bass level in the main speakers in a surround sound setup? Do you run it flat or dial it down?
I noticed that my sub was not doing much and everything was being handled by towers. Seen on another video always set to small speakers first even with towers.
That's silly ,why would you buy floorstanders and then make them act like bookshelves?why not buy bookshelves! Setting floorstanders to full range (which they are) is not only logical but it gives you a better sound lol
I've experienced the same thing. Moderate home theater setup with a Sony Atmos receiver, and full Energy Connoisseur setup. LRC are CC-10's, LH & RH are CB-10's, LR RR are CB-20's and there's 3 CSW-C8 subs. All the main speakers are 60-20k, and 92db. I've tried all sorts of crossover points, and it sounds really nice at the THX 80hz, but I've got them all set at 70hz and 0db which surprisingly makes a considerable difference and the whole system sounds richer and fuller with certain effects and music that are being played in surround that would otherwise be subdued. The subs are at -5 but they've got a 97db efficiency, and I have effect/eq set to off and it all sounds pretty sweet regardless if it's a new Atmos movie, an old 5.1, or even stereo. Thanks for the video!
Hi buddy I just ran Audyssey on My Denon AVR-X2200, it set my Monitor Audio Bronze 500’s to 40hz, it set my Monitor Audio Bronze C150 to 40hz and the Monitor Audio Bronze 50 which I use as rears to 40hz I then put them all at 80hz (as we all do) It set my Fronts as Large, so I changed them to Small What would YOU set the crossovers at on my setup? Here are what my speakers can do I’m running 1 x subwoofer which is a BK XXLS400 FF and have it set to LFE only BRONZE 50 Frequency Response (-6 dB) 62 - 25,000 Hz (Free field) 40 - 30,000 Hz (In room) Sensitivity (2.83v @ 1m) 85 dB Nominal Impedance 8 ohms Minimum Impedance 4.4 ohms Maximum SPL 107 dBA (pair) Power Handling (RMS) 80 W Recommended Amplifier Requirements 20 - 80 W Bass Alignment Bass reflex - HiVe II port system Crossover Frequency 2,500 Hz Drive Unit Complement 1 x 51/2" C-CAM bass/mid-range driver 1 x 25 mm C-CAM Gold Dome tweeter with UD Waveguide BRONZE 500 FLOORSTANDERS System Format 21/2-Way Frequency Response (-6 dB) 41 - 25,000 Hz (Free field) 32 - 30,000 Hz (In room) Sensitivity (2.83v @ 1m) 90 dB Nominal Impedance 8 ohms Minimum Impedance 4.1 ohms Maximum SPL 116 dBA (pair) Power Handling (RMS) 200 W Recommended Amplifier Requirements 60 - 200 W Bass Alignment Bass reflex Dual HiVe II port system Crossover Frequency 550 Hz 2,700 Hz Drive Unit Complement 2 x 8" C-CAM midbass driver 1 x 25 mm C-CAM Gold Dome tweeter with UD Waveguide BRONZE C150 CENTRE System Format 2-Way Frequency Response (-6 dB) 83 - 25,000 Hz (Free field) 66 - 30,000 Hz (In room) Sensitivity (2.83v @ 1m) 88 dB Nominal Impedance 8 ohms Minimum Impedance 4.3 ohms Maximum SPL 109 dBA (each) Power Handling (RMS) 120 W Recommended Amplifier Requirements 30 - 120 W Bass Alignment Sealed cabinet Crossover Frequency 2,700 Hz Drive Unit Complement 2 x 51/2" C-CAM mid-range driver 1 x 25 mm C-CAM Gold Dome tweeter with UD Waveguide
the spec of hz you mentioned is the lowest and highest (+/- 3db) frequency per 1 metter distance MLP, how to actually be sure if the crossover is correct if the distance MLP is 2 or 3 metters?
Great rundown. I only really absorb a little of the home theatre knowledge at a time but its funny how even your interpretations of what experts or "so-called TH-cam Experts" say that may be taken in a subjective way. Your explanation of how audio is subjective made me realize people who talk about audio being subjective isn't meant to say how we interpret it subjectively only, but also the environment and other factors that produce the subjective results. I particularly found it interesting his you mentioned how direct the speaker is with your ear that can influence what range of frequencies you want to consider when making adjustments. To tie it all in you mention the multiple drivers in each cone which really outlined my confusion as I used to judge the crossover mostly by the size of the outside of the speaker.
Hi! Yes, there are lots of factors that contribute to the subjective nature of this hobby. Another thing I didn't mention in this video is that I run power amplifiers for all my speakers. So when I have a speaker that can go down to 30Hz, my amplifier has no problems giving that extra juice for the speakers to handle the low frequencies in that range. If you are running an AVR only, it may be difficult for the AVR to provide extra power for those lower frequencies. My college and I created a new Home Theater product, and in this product, we dedicated a section on finding the correct Crossover Point for your speakers. This is specifically for a Dolby Atmos setup and it is based on what you hear through your system. Might make this topic easier to figure out - th-cam.com/video/fM4qu8s3F3k/w-d-xo.html
My receiver is a denon x4300h My speakers are all Polk signature speakers rated for 80 htz crossover. if I set all my speakers to small on a 9.2 setup and crossover at 80 with my subs on life. What do I set the subs cross over at.. is it 80 the same as speaker crossover or 60 or at 100 . So my basic question is where should I set my sub crossover. I’m running 4 subs 10” 400 watt but in fact 200 watt power. I’m confused so I’m general what do I do Thanks Barry Chapelle
THX chose 80hz because it's the point where most find bass not localized. If you measure the response seat to seat the modal frequencies are all over the place. If you know how to properly place and align multiple subs you're seat to seat response will be very similar. This means letting the subs handle as much as possible gives a more accurate response for more seats. Also most have to sit near the rear wall. If you can sit at least 3.5' (1/4 wavelength of 80hz) or a tad more away from the rear wall you give rears room to image but also the rear wall SBIR null (where reflection interacts with direct causing a null ) can be avoided with an 80hz crossover as you're crossing to subs above the the SBIR frequency so the null is fixed. Sitting closer or using a lower crossover brings the null back into the repsonse. If the subs are properly setup and confirmed via response measurements this should always give a superior experience. If you use one sub as it seems is being done here every seat will vary greatly and letting mains handle more may sound better as the sub setup needs work. For those that don't know how to align subs for a similar response at all seats then sure experiment with crossover points. But there is a very good reason THX chose it.
in the real world application it sounds fuller and better when you let your mains play down to the 60s, 50s and 40s The sound front stage comes alive so take it with a pinch of salt but what you experience and what the "Norm" is are two different things..
Muy buen video, recomiendas cambiar el corte del subwoofer que por defecto es 120 hz en el receptor, bajarlo a 80 hz?, el corte de los satelites los tengo en 80 hz tambien!!
I have a processor that if I set the speakers to small my sub setting choices are YES or NO. If set to large the choices are no, LFE, or L/R+ Sub..what would you suggest? I want as much bass as I can coming from the subwoofers. Which are two SVS SB2000. THANK YOU. GREAT VIDEO!
Thanks Channa great video. I looked at several and thought your recommendations rounded off everything I had looked at and read. I have a Pioneer SP-52KFS system. I’m thinking about about upgrading to either elac, svs, or klipsch but that’s beside the point. So on the spec sheet the towers bottom out at 40 Hz center and surrounds 55 Hz, atmos-enabled at 180 Hz. So I raised everything up by 10 hz 50 hz and 70 hz respectively. Subwoofers set 120 hz and atmos-enabled speakers (180 hz) I left at the auto-calibration level of 150 hz. I’ll listen to these settings for a week or so and see if I like ‘em.
I am looking at two SVS subs, the PB4000 and SB16 Ultra. The specs. say there ranges are 16-200hz and 16-460hz. What I don't understand is why list such a high range if the sub will never get there ?
Ok my Amp has a global crossover. Yamaha RX-Z9. I have RF-7ii RC-64ii and RS-62. The options that I have is 40hz 60 hz or 80hz. I have the PB-4000 and a Klipsch. R-115 in back. Do you think 60 Hz is to low for the Center ? Again I have a Global crossover
I'm running 2 subwoofers rated at 29-120Hz and 5 ELAC Unifi UB52's rated at 46-35,000Hz and I have tried crossovers from 40-100Hz and I found that they sound the best at 100Hz. I think that handing off the bass at 100Hz to the twin subwoofers fills the room better and it just blew me away at the clarity of the sound. You give great advice to try different settings to see what works best for your system because if I had stuck with 80Hz crossover I would be missing out on the full capability of my system. I'm running the speakers on a Yamaha RX-A4A (which I highly recommend).
@bobbyb7465 It has a steep learning curve. I like to fiddle so it doesn't bother me. The manual is 400 pages! If you have the patience, it's worth it, though.
On SVS PB-2000pro sub, on the SVS app can I set 120 Hz on the app or do I have to change it in the Yamaha RX-6VA receiver ? Or set it to 120hz on the app and receiver? Kef Q550 and SVS PB-2000pro with Yamaha RX-6VA receiver 2.1 set up
excellent video ...what do you recommend crossover and level Home theater 7.2.2 AVR Marantz 7012 Bluray 4k panasonic DP ub820 Front klipsch RF-42II Center RP 504C Subwoofer klipsch R-110SW Subwoofer SVS PB 1000 Surround and surround back RB-41 II Dolby Atmos Rp 140SA living Room size 13 x 31 (403 sq feet)
Excellent video bro. I like your videos. Bro please let me know, I am using the subwoofer SVS PB 12 NSD and really can't decide to set the crossover. Shall I set it up to 120 hz or below that. My amp is Onkyo tx nr 686. Would really appreciate to have your advise and answer on this ASAP.
Hi, I have new flagship Denon AVC110 Great. Setup using a mic. After watching many youtube post now decided to set up a manual. Great. My question is my 2ch music has SVS sub and B&W CDM9 I have set Sub + Mains and Front speaker to large with cross-over set at 80Hz. I have set my films to all speakers small and the subwoofer only cross-over 80Hz. my side speakers are CDM1 B&W and all my speakers are wired 5.1 Bi-amp. Any tips or advice I could consider trying out would be great full.
Love your channel. Have a question on av receivers and using a crown amplifier for my mains don’t know what to set the input sensitivity on the crown amplifier to? my receiver is a denon avr 6500 and for speakers I’m using all cerwin Vega xls series my mains are the xls single 15s - center channel xls 6c - and the rears are xls-6 . Also really don’t know anything about base management because I’m new to this surroundsound area should I set my mains to small or large
I need help on my set up please, I bought in a entry level Yamaha YHT 3072 5.1 av receiver along with the Taga TAV 506 v.2 and a subwoofer TAV 90 v.4, all I want to know is what crossover frequency do I set up on the av receiver and what Crossover frequency do I set up on the subwoofer, I'm using a LFE cable to link the sub to the av receiver... Thanks.
I just watched this video. Have a Klipsch RP4000F and RP404C paired with the SPL100 sub. Would crossover at 60 be better for both towers and center or 60 for the towers and 80 for the center? Should I leave the LFE at 120 or reduce it to 100 or 80? I’m new to this and would like to seek your help and thoughts! Thank you!
80hz totally works for smaller speakers but I don't think it's right to set 80hz crossovers for large towers. As a guideline for all speakers, How about setting it 20hz more than lowest frequency response? Also, your thoughts on setting the front towers to LARGE vs SMALL?
Video Timeline:
1:18 - THX Standard
4:15 - The Big Question!
5:05 - My Methodology
7:45 - My Recommendation
11:40 - The Wrap Up!
Since your still testing the PB4000, you should do a comparison with RCA subwoofer cable. From super expensive one, to affordable.
Techno dad i dont know what reciever u are using but do u know you can set your speakers to small and still cross them over to what ever point you want them at?
I don't think that will make a huge difference honestly.
@Chriswell, yup!
@@TechnoDad ok cool because setting your speakers to small doesnt really mean they are small its for just telling the av wat to do with the rest of the bass frequency
Man, after daaaaays of trying to figure out why the sound was so crappy on my new Wharfdale towers, I came across your video and made the settings make so much more sense! All of a sudden I can hear details again! Thank you!!!!
When THX came up
with the 80Hz standard it was over 25 years ago.
Speakers have improved dramatically since then. Test and listen for yourself to see what’s best for your system
and don’t forget the Surrounds.
i can't believe that there's any dislikes, i mean come on guys. This guy is the real deal and knows what he's talking about.
Thanks Alex!! Haters always going to hate!
he knows a lot he is the real deal,
@@TechnoDad i’m still working on trying to figure out what the perfect crossover would be for Bowers and Wilkins 805 D3 speakers. Any feedback you could give me would be helpful
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This is really an issue that never seems to go away. Unfortunately many people, myself included fell into the trap of using the recommended 80 hz crossover for all the speakers. I didn't know much about speaker frequency response capability except it was an number in the speaker specs. Like many I purchased speakers based on recommendations from friends and reading reviews; ditto receivers. Needless to say I've wasted a lot of money. Since watching you guys on your daily podcast I have become more knowledgeable. I subscribed to your channel and came across this video. It was truly a great find. My system which consists of ML 60xts, 50xt and FX surrounds with a Polk 10 inch Sub with the FL, FR , FC set to 60 Hz and the FXs left at 80hz has really opened up the sound to the point I sat in amazement when playing my favorite go to CD which is the 1812 Overture on Mercury Living Presence with all the bells, cannon shots, etc. and the Hobbit - Battle of Five Armies movie. BTW my AVR is the Marantz SR7013 with the Emotiva BASX 2 driving the FCR speakers leaving the sub and surrounds to the Marantz (which really had a problem driving the ML 60xts despite what their specs said, that is another story). This is a long post but thank you. Perhaps this is a topic you guys should revisit on your daily podcasts.
I think you're 100% correct that it's all subjective and everyone's room is going to sound different. The size of the room, placement of the speakers, and listening distance are all factors that contribute to how the sound is going to change in any given situation. Tweaking to find what sounds best in your room is part of the enjoyment of the hobby (IMHO).
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well my sound system has perfect sound reproduction and my subwoofer crossover is at 64Hz and my subwoofer doesn't make any sounds at the 90Hz frequency perfect sound is not subjective
@@patk2225 I still think "perfect" is subjective though.
well said
Every video of yours is detailed and of professional level. Your way of mixing humour with the facts, is what makes the viewers keen on listening to you, without making them bored. I appreciate your efforts. Thanks and keep going.
Thank you!
It's refreshing to see a video keeping an open mind about crossovers and not just saying "Set crossover on all your speakers to 80Hz. Period." like so many out there. Especially when it comes to the center channel.
I am just getting back into home theater, and this video and others on your channel have helped tremendously. Thanks.
You're VERY welcome Vimal! Thank you for watching!
Agreed, I am not an expert at home Theatre systems but I have been learning a lot from Techno Dad's videos... The guy really knows his stuff.
Just wanted to say thank you for the tips in this video. I adjusted my crossovers and it made a world of difference. You were definitely correct. I did get a much fuller and even sounding bass from my speakers, especially with fronts. Please keep making videos. I thoroughly enjoy your channel.
For about 10 years I had no idea about crossover frequency settings (I'm 26 but I'm the tech guy in my family lol). I'm going to have to play around with our set up. What did you end up choosing as crossovers for your speakers?
Glad I found this video, cause I’ve been kind of scratching my head about this very topic. Great review!!
Thank you! I'm glad you enjoyed the video.
@@TechnoDad thank you again.
Great Video! I leave all my settings at 80hz/Atmos at 100hz plus lfe at 120hz dual 12" DB12 subs & sounds perfect for me, all depends on what you like & what equipment you are using. My Fluance Signature series towers going down at 35hz.
2.0 for music i change to full band without the dual subs.
Nice!!!
I usually follow SVS's guideline of double what your speaker is rated {eg. 40Hz rating set to 80 75Hz set to 150} Seems to be a good starting point then get closer to actual rating of speakers.
That's a good way to look at it!
I have the Klipsch R-26F, and I used the John Wick club scene as my demo as well. I believe I landed at 60hz for these speakers. I had the towers set to large for months, but after making this change I notice a huge difference in quality.
Nice Brian! Thank you for sharing your experience!
Hi Techo Dad, thought you'd like to know that the bass management in most AVR's sets the subwoofer LPF based on the crossover setting of the main channels HPF setting even if the mains are set to large. The 120Hz LFE LPF setting is independent of this setting. The sub out gets a summed response of bass from the LFE channel with the other bass managed channels. In 2CH Mode if you have your mains set small at 80Hz the bass integrates to the sub at 80Hz as well independent of the LFE LPF setting. I usually recommend always leaving the LFE setting to 120Hz to not truncate any bass that the director intended in the multi-ch movie mix.
The HPF of a THX bass management scheme is actually 12dB/oct while the LPF is 24dB/oct. I believe you said the HPF was 24db/oct. The reason for this is THX originally speced sealed satellite speakers which have a natural rolloff of 12dB/oct so when combined with the sub channel, you should get a perfect blend, in theory. Theory vs reality is much different however. 80Hz is still a good global Xover setting for the bass managed sub output especially if you want to take advantage of the modal averaging benefits of multi-sub across multiple seats. If you set the crossover lower to feed the main channels more bass, you lose this benefit.
Alternatively you can run your mains large and set the crossover to 80Hz for the main channels but then you have to deal with the potential of too much bass in the transition region between the mains and the subs. EQ can help this. Overall 80Hz is still the best and most system compatible crossover setting for 95% of installs IMO. That said, I don't follow my own advice in my primary theater system as I deploy more advanced bass management since I also route LFE to my mains but in my other systems I use 80Hz. Hope this helps.
Wise words from the bass-a-holic himself. Thanks Gene! I was wanting to get your insight on multi-sub placement. I’ve got a lot of people wanting me to make a video about it and I figure you’re one of the experts in that area.
@@TechnoDad sure man, we do have several videos on that topic but I'd be happy to be a guest sometime on your show if you like.
That sounds like a great idea! I’ll shoot you an email.
Audioholics hello I would like to know should I set my dB meter to 70 or 80db to get 75 or 85 and if it is 75 should I set my crossover to 70 am not sure if it have 75 same with 85 it just say 70, 80 and 120 I think
I agree 100%. For my Klipsch 8000F's I have two crossover presets on my Yamaha Aventage Receiver, one for movies @ 60hz, and one for music at @ 40hz. After listening for quite some time I have settled on these settings and could not be happier.
NICE!!!
Even in the Subwoofer range, as frequency goes up, the beams or directionality of the speaker becomes more directional. At lower frequencies, sound tends to sound Omni-Directional or all directional. At above 80hz, the bass sound starts to become more directional. That is, instead of coming from everywhere, it seems to be coming from a specific direction. Now this is a steady process, the higher the frequency, the more you can determine the direction the sound is coming from. Under 80hz, the sound tends to be coming from everywhere which is what you want for Sub-Bass for Movies, and even for Music.
I've been enjoying my Klipsch RF 820s with my SVS SB 4000. Watched over 50 4k movies. Finally got around to using REW. Found I had a big dip at 42 hz despite the great bass. Had to adjust one of the DSP and put it out of phase. Now I'm in heaven all over again 😁
I had my sub at 80 along with my speakers. I experimented a bit with it at lfe but the localization ruined it for me. I split the difference at 100 hz and it's amazing. Just trust your ears.
Running:
Yamaha aventage 3080
Klipsch 280fs
Klipsch 240s
Klipsch 440c
Klipsch r 115sw
Going to now start experimenting my front stage. Good call.
Nice Wyatt! Let me know how it goes!
Wyatt King, smartest analyzation I’ve ever heard. “Trust your ears.” I’ve always done that too. Same thing when setting speaker level. I have hearing loss in my left ear. Setting the left channels a bit higher balance everything out for me. It may not be great for others in the room with perfect hearing, but it’s my equipment and I paid for it.
01:50 LFE and bass management are not the same thing btw !
Im pretty sure you know this very well Techno Dad but its just the way you said it (phrased it) here sounded like bass management was for LFE or that crossover was for LFE.
LFE is a channel on its own & as long as you have dedicated subwoofers taking in LFE input from AVR/Processors that is it as far as LFE is concerned, nothing to do with crossovers & the other speakers.
Bass management on the other hand is handing over lower frequencies to subwoofers that the main speakers might not be able to produce at all or might struggle to produce without distorting, and as we all know crossover is the cutoff point for this "handing over" of lower frequencies from the main speakers to the subwoofer.
PS: Not trying to be a wise-ass, but thought this clarification is important.
Yeah, I get what you're saying and I do know the difference. Probably is a little confusing...maybe I'll make a video about the difference!
I knew they were different too, and the most confusing part to me was the discussion about the overlap (80 Hz cross over to 120 Hz LFE low pass filter). It's not a real overlap, since the LFE channel is distinct from anything that crosses over via bass management. 🙂
Edit: I watched that portion again and yes it does make sense to say "overlap" as both the sub and mains output something between 80-120Hz. My mind was just looking for the distinction between LFE vs cross over, i.e. they (sub and mains) do not redundantly output the same sound.
Thats why i like my emotiva xmc-1 preamp processor bass management
A lot of av reciever needs to simplify this thing just use crossover for the surround speakers and let the sub handles from where that were set to cut off giving people who dont know much about crossover is gonna screw things up real bad specially on the sub
So @@TechnoDad Do it please cause I still didn't get the difference.
Hey man, can you make a video elaborating about having two subwoofers / dual / stereo subwoofer? Thanks
I love experimenting with the crossovers, I run 11.2.2 including a 4-way B&W HTM centre, and 12" tower mains, 10"&15" subwoofers, 6.5" everywhere else. I have the 15" sealed velodyne set around 40hz, it moves a lot of air that you feel on your pants its such a nice boost in extension into the sub frequencies. My 10" audio research is ported so its got a punch in the higher 80hz area and i have it set to 90hz. The mains and heights set to large 40hz highpass they sweeten everything at a flat but very full response throughout the entire frequency sweep. the centre although 4-way doesnt have much bass output lower than around 100hz despite its size, its set to 100. Then i have the crossover for the Low frequency extension setting that sends subwoofer signal to the mains as well as the subwoofer, its set to 150hz which seems to sound better.giving all the bass to the mains as well.
Your the man techno dad I tried it on my polk tower speakers which can go down to 40 Hz set my ROTEL processor mains to 60 Hz and left my center and surrounds at 80Hz and set subwoofer at 120Hz and made a big difference to bass performance over the recommended ROTEL default settings which was 100Hz.
Nice Shaun! I'm glad it worked out for you!
Thanks for sharing your knowledge., I enjoy your show and have learned plenty.
I hear you when you say it is subjective and I understand why I should probably set all my speakers to small and the receiver crossover point to 80HZ but... when I use YPAO mic to setup my Yamaha RX V473 receiver YPAO changes all the speakers (except the center channel) from small back to large and crossover back from 80 to 120 or sometimes right up to 160HZ
The Yammy receiver is connected to Onkyo SKF-4800 floor-standing front speakers, Onkyo SKC-4800 center speaker, Infinity reference 5.5'' bookshelf rear speakers on stands and Sony SA-WM40 subwoofer.
I mainly listen to rock and country music and stream the occasional movie or tv series.
I struggle to get my head around frequency numbers ans I know is subjective, but without hearing it do you think I should probably still change all the speakers back to small and crossover to 80???
Thanks again, keep up the good work.
I just ordered the Definitely technology Cs9080 Center Speaker, That Center Speaker is know for its 8" built in subwoofer, But I already have 2 Svs Subwoofers, Should I run the CS 9080 Center Speaker Small or Large to take advantage of the Subwoofer?
Thanks for the educational video. Here is a quick question regarding the "cut off at the legs" argument for the tower speakers that go down to 32 Hz. Couldn't one make the same argument for the sub? In other words, if my sub goes up to 150 Hz, why cut it off at the legs by setting the crossover all the way down at 60 Hz? Why not set my crossover to 100 Hz, and let my powered sub handle more of the bass that it is specifically designed to handle, which also frees up my receiver's power to focus more on the mid and high range frequencies handled by my front main speakers? Thank in advance if you respond.
Hi Max! Glad you enjoyed this video. Set the sub to LFE on the back of the sub, which tells the sub to let the AVR handle the crossover. In the Bass management area of the AVR, have the LFE set to 120Hz. That's the "standard" setup. That's how I have mine setup.
Who in the hell said to set a sub crossover at 60????
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FYI, I've disconnected my subs from the floor with shock platforms usually used for say, monitors or guitar amps on risers. This allows them to move a bit and direct more sound into the listening area, and less into the carpeted floor. Huge difference after tuning!!
Nice! I always decouple my subwoofer from the floor. I even do that with my center channel. I also do that in my music studio with monitors and my large Marshall tube combo. I have found a product that will do the same for speakers but it's pricey. I need to make a video on them soon!
@@TechnoDad Channa,
This may be off topic here. I'm an acoustic and electric guitarist now that I've semi-retired. Mo time, mo music. :-)
I have software to slow tracks maintaining pitch, changing keys, altered tunings, etc, for learning to play new stuff. But I'd like to improve my software arsenal for recording.
As you know, many recorded versions of songs have two or three guitars which you have to combine into fewer instruments for a live performance--unless you have the rare luxury of three guitarists!
True, combining parts is learning event that increases knowledge and promotes a better sound, but it can be tedious.
I'd like to play the different parts myself and mix them. I'd have to add some percussion and base, etc.
Do you think one platform, say Apple has the best music apps?
It's amazing that we can afford software and hardware that used to cost hundreds of thousands of bucks and took up half a room. :-)
Is there a better place to get your thoughts? Thx!!!
In-room extension is always lower than the speaker's natural rolloff. I have found that in most rooms, given the typical slope of crossovers, your best setting will be a half-octave above the spec'd -3dB rolloff. So multiply the speaker's -3dB point by 1.5 and you will usually nail it, barring phase alignment issues.
Hi! Great tip, I'll check it out!
I like your video! It's refreshing to hear advice telling people to to try out different settings to see what sounds best for their unique setup, rather than pretending to know something specific about something with so many variables. I loved how you described your process, particularly how you explained why you chose the test clip that you did. Great information. My 5.2.4 Atmos setup in the family room is set at 80Hz because it sounds best with my Boston HS-40 surrounds and height speakers. My 5.1 in the man cave, however, is set at 60Hz because it sounds fuller with my Infinity Sterling SS-03 speakers. The right crossover point really does depend upon speaker size and placement, and room size and acoustics. New fan of your channel! Thank you!
Hello Drake, and welcome! I am a music producer and DJ, so I play around with frequencies all the time when mixing music. There are times where you just have to trust your ears. You said it yourself, there are too many variables and making a broad statement about what it should be set to is a difficult thing.
Totally agree with you on this.
The Audyssey XT32 does it all for you and more e.g. crossovers, channel levels, time delays and EQs and phasings.
Just watched and great review . Got a question . I have the Q Acoustics 3050i floorstanding speakers and the Q Acoustics 3090ci centre speaker with two svs sb1000 subs and 4 svs prime Elevation speakers two for Heights and the other two for rears all set at 80hz would you suggest setting the fronts to 50hz and the centre to 70hz and what would suggestion be for the Heights and rears .
Many Thanks .
Wedge .
Great explanations I’m considering buying the mono price monolith 3 Channel LCR in wall speakers. I can’t decide between the ones that have 4 woofers versus 2 woofers. I’m setting up a home theater - 3800 cubic feet. I have two RSL sub woofers. Do I need the extra woofers in the LCRs
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Excellent video. What setting would you recommended for a Sennheiser soundbar with a SVS 13" 800w sealed sub
What crossover would you recommend for Def Tech Pro Cinema 600 series speakers? They say 120hz is the recommend crossover, but I'm wondering what would happen if i set it at 80hz or 100hz? I'm rolling with dual PB-2000's for my subs. Thanks!
When we adjust crossover accordingly, is there a point to set the avr for either small or large speakers? Audioholics recommends to set the 3 main speakers to small in a HT set-up.
I have the leviton aeh50-bl jbl system 3.5" satellite speakers with 150Hz - 20Hz response. What would be the best crossover setting?
Your satellite speakers are rated at 150Hz-20Khz, your subwoofer is rated at 150Hz down to 35Hz. So if you're able to set the crossover in your receiver, set your main speakers to small and then set their crossover to 150 or 160Hz, that way anything under 150Hz, your subwoofer will naturally pick up and blend all the way down to 35Hz or close enough as the ratings and RMS on those arent that great, but it should still work. Being that your satellite speakers (mains, not subwoofer) bottom out at 150hz, you do not want to set them to 80Hz crossover and then crank the volume as you risk blowing the speakers.
@@smklvr69 thank you! I really appreciate it.
Thanks for the video. After 20 years I had to replace my receiver. I got at Onkyo & have Bose speaker set up. My previous receiver didn’t have this cross over stuff. Should I set ALL speakers at 80hz crossover? Or the LFE at 80 & the F S C at 100?? Please help.
Thank you for the information. What I got out of this video we need towho what are our speakers frequency can handle also. Larger or tower speakers. I have Bose 601 series 1 speakers for my front. They are very big and very old. Would I consider those tower or large speakers?
i agree with you views on crossovers there's a disc delos de 3179 which has a 20,000 to 15 hz test to see where your main speakers rolloff hope this helps good video
Thanks for sharing. I have a question i hook up a mixer for karaoke to a receiver so should the mixer and receiver be set at the same cross over frequency? Usually I set my mixer at 80hz and then 70hz for the receiver to crossover to front speakers and sub but I don’t know if that is the correct connection or not. Please help. Thanks very much
Is there a minimum setting above the speakers lower rating that is recommended to set the sub-woofers crossover? Thank you.
Hi 👋 Dear, I watched your video, But I need a better tone, midrange more for my listening stereo music. I have Parasound Pre P6 , Power A21 + , speakers RP 8000 F. I very comfortable with this setup now, but I need more tribe, midrange, can you advise which separate pair of cross over can I buy it which brand should I get one ☝️ How it can be connected in my pre amp and power amp. I need more low frequencies. Please advise waiting for your reply thanks 🙏.
For people with cheaper systems even though the towers may play low you may not want to push low frequencies through them because it will take away from the clarity of the mids and highs plus it would be sucking power from the receiver unnecessarily. The sub can better produce the low frequencies over the towers. I usually hand off at 120 hz if there is no mid bass drivers on the towers.
I've seen a fair amount of your videos and after this one, I have a greater appreciation for you T.D. Keep on, keeping on.
Thank you so much, Mike!
My Yamaha RX-V673 receiver has only one crossover number you can set, so I guess I cannot achieve the overlap, correct? If so, I assume I would use the lower crossover point. Does that make the subwoofer have too little range?
Please do video about switching stereo to 7. 2. 2 channels and sound
quality difference between both
Great video; question, when having large towers as front speakers like the Rf-7's or other, does it also make sense to put the speakers at large instead of tweaking the crossover?
Again I haven't tried any if this yet, but I wanted your input on this.
Tks for reading
Hey, great vid, im just a little confused after this. When you set the crossover to say 50hz, does that mean the subwoofer only does below 50hz?. Or is the bass from 50-80hz shared between both subwoofer and speakers?.
Thank you
Thanks for a great video, I agree with using your ears with the equipment you have, why would you buy some nice towers that have good bass extension and then as you say chop it off at the legs with a higher crossover point, the only reason you might do this is if you are having bass problems in your room from your fronts because of positioning that you are stuck with or because of room size or furniture etc I don't have a sub (I live in a flat) but i set my crossover to the centre to 80hz which is the same as the speaker manaufacturers specs, and 100hz for my small surround speakers, again the same as the manufacturers specs, it takes away a lot of strain from the smaller speakers and they sound clearer for it, but if you can, run your fronts full range, but play around with the crossovers like you say and let your ears decide
My speakers are 8” Polk in ceiling and an in ceiling center channel. I found I had to raise crossover to 100 or 120 to correct muffle sound. Should I start over and do something different to make the crossover closer to 80?
Channa, thank you very much i purchased the rf7 iii and rc64 due to you and youthman. Can you give me an up to date crossover starting point from your experience yhat i can set my front stage at. I would appreciate that. Thanks again. Also small or large for the rf7 iii and rc-64 iii
I think that the 80Hz crossover has more to do with creating uniformity in your theater. It might sound better at your one seat to have your towers playing below 80hz...but it might actually make it sound worse at another seat in your theater. It also may be that your seat has a null at 50 Hz because of your sub placement...and so you are getting to actually hear the 50 hz sounds when you adjust your front speaker crossover. If you have bass uniformity from good subwoofers then the fullness will be there if your other speakers are at 80hz. Having multiple Subs really helps with uniformity not only at your primary seat but across all seats in your theater. But it takes proper placement of the subs. And unfortunately the location of your front towers is not usually the optimal for creating uniform bass.
Ty
Hi!
I have a yamaha 771 and the dali Zensor 7 front and centre speakers. I've just bought the dali e12f subwoofer. I see that the speakers goes down to 40hz and the central reaches 47hz. So i was thinking to set the front speakers to "large" the centre one to "small" and the sw to 70hz. Im trying not to push the speakers so much, im afraid of damage them, even though I don't use the volume very high.
Anyone who has an opinion I'll appreciate it!
Thanks! Great video.
I have a question, on my 5.1 AV receiver I set front, center and surround to small, front crossover set on 80 Hz and center and surround set on 120 Hz (here I am not sure if I made the right choice). How to set my surround and center speaker crossover if in speaker specification say that: center and surround frequency range 150 Hz-20.000 Hz? 80 - 120 Hz isn't too low if the frequency range of the speakers is between 150-20,000 Hz?
where do you set the crossover freq ? at the SW ? The other channels don't care about the setting for the SW. So is it at the receiver/amp ? I don't think there's a frequency cutoff setting, or is there ?
Thank you Channa. I have this setup and would like/appreciate your opinion. RF-7IIIs, RC-64III, 4 RP-600M & 4 CDT5800s and a JTR 4000 sub. All running off a Marantz 8015. Right now I have everything crossed to the sub at 120Hz. Your thoughts?
Thanks for this! So for movies always 120 Hz for Subwoofer? 😊
Yes! Set all speaker crossovers to 80Hz and subwoofer LFE to 120Hz
@@TechnoDad meny Thanks! But did you not recommend to set it to like 60 Hz? 😊
I have the Polk S15 bookshelf speakers mounted on the wall beside the TV and Pold S10 speakers as my surround back speakers. I also have the S35 Polk center speaker and have a Klipsch 12" sub. What would you set the crossovers for on all the speakers and also the sub? Thanks, Scott
It makes sense to let the sub handle bass. A proper sub will take the stress off small satellites and do it better.
If you have good towers that play low you will notice the difference at 50hz set on the towers. It is night and day
Always learn something new from TD's channel because he knows what he's talking about! I like that. Great!! 👍
Thanks Rafael!
I have a speakerset with 45-20.000 and An active subwoofer...I use the Legend album of Bonfire at Deezer to setup. I put the crossover at 120. For me this sounds great...but did I do IT correct? My volume is in the middle.
I have JBL tower front speakers and Velodyn SPL Ultra sub. My receiver is Yamaha RX-A1050. I have set all the speakers to small. Mains crossover to 60Hz and sub to direct so that the bass management is handled by the Receiver. Is that the correct setting for the sub. Previously one of the technicians set the sub to 80Hz together with all the speakers.
What about for music ? I have the Klipsch RP 280s 2 8" x 4.
I have the Klipsch RP 280s in the front and set them to large, my music sounds so much better. I had to turn my subs down a little bit.
I was really impressed when you said 'john wick is here' your point was made clearly sir.
I understand what you're saying about crossover settings in your video. There's one part of surround sound setup that most people repeatedly skip over I noticed. Where do you set the bass level in the main speakers in a surround sound setup? Do you run it flat or dial it down?
i have my surround at 60 hz crossover it works just fine
I noticed that my sub was not doing much and everything was being handled by towers. Seen on another video always set to small speakers first even with towers.
That's silly ,why would you buy floorstanders and then make them act like bookshelves?why not buy bookshelves! Setting floorstanders to full range (which they are) is not only logical but it gives you a better sound lol
@@shaundavidssd set them to large now as sub is broken svs is more bang for buck but rel is also good. The old one was 300w so can't go lower.
I've experienced the same thing. Moderate home theater setup with a Sony Atmos receiver, and full Energy Connoisseur setup. LRC are CC-10's, LH & RH are CB-10's, LR RR are CB-20's and there's 3 CSW-C8 subs. All the main speakers are 60-20k, and 92db. I've tried all sorts of crossover points, and it sounds really nice at the THX 80hz, but I've got them all set at 70hz and 0db which surprisingly makes a considerable difference and the whole system sounds richer and fuller with certain effects and music that are being played in surround that would otherwise be subdued. The subs are at -5 but they've got a 97db efficiency, and I have effect/eq set to off and it all sounds pretty sweet regardless if it's a new Atmos movie, an old 5.1, or even stereo. Thanks for the video!
I bought an Onkyo receiver and it calibrated my Bose surround sound speakers to 40 hz. Can I change that setting to 80 hz?
Hi buddy
I just ran Audyssey on My Denon AVR-X2200, it set my Monitor Audio Bronze 500’s to 40hz, it set my Monitor Audio Bronze C150 to 40hz and the Monitor Audio Bronze 50 which I use as rears to 40hz
I then put them all at 80hz (as we all do)
It set my Fronts as Large, so I changed them to Small
What would YOU set the crossovers at on my setup? Here are what my speakers can do
I’m running 1 x subwoofer which is a BK XXLS400 FF and have it set to LFE only
BRONZE 50
Frequency Response (-6 dB)
62 - 25,000 Hz (Free field)
40 - 30,000 Hz (In room)
Sensitivity (2.83v @ 1m)
85 dB
Nominal Impedance
8 ohms
Minimum Impedance
4.4 ohms
Maximum SPL
107 dBA (pair)
Power Handling (RMS)
80 W
Recommended Amplifier Requirements
20 - 80 W
Bass Alignment
Bass reflex - HiVe II port system
Crossover Frequency
2,500 Hz
Drive Unit Complement
1 x 51/2" C-CAM bass/mid-range driver
1 x 25 mm C-CAM Gold Dome tweeter with UD Waveguide
BRONZE 500 FLOORSTANDERS
System Format
21/2-Way
Frequency Response (-6 dB)
41 - 25,000 Hz (Free field)
32 - 30,000 Hz (In room)
Sensitivity (2.83v @ 1m)
90 dB
Nominal Impedance
8 ohms
Minimum Impedance
4.1 ohms
Maximum SPL
116 dBA (pair)
Power Handling (RMS)
200 W
Recommended Amplifier Requirements
60 - 200 W
Bass Alignment
Bass reflex Dual HiVe II port system
Crossover Frequency
550 Hz
2,700 Hz
Drive Unit Complement
2 x 8" C-CAM midbass driver
1 x 25 mm C-CAM Gold Dome tweeter with UD Waveguide
BRONZE C150 CENTRE
System Format
2-Way
Frequency Response (-6 dB)
83 - 25,000 Hz (Free field)
66 - 30,000 Hz (In room)
Sensitivity (2.83v @ 1m)
88 dB
Nominal Impedance
8 ohms
Minimum Impedance
4.3 ohms
Maximum SPL
109 dBA (each)
Power Handling (RMS)
120 W
Recommended Amplifier Requirements
30 - 120 W
Bass Alignment
Sealed cabinet
Crossover Frequency
2,700 Hz
Drive Unit Complement
2 x 51/2" C-CAM mid-range driver
1 x 25 mm C-CAM Gold Dome tweeter with UD Waveguide
the spec of hz you mentioned is the lowest and highest (+/- 3db) frequency per 1 metter distance MLP, how to actually be sure if the crossover is correct if the distance MLP is 2 or 3 metters?
The -3dB point is a physical property of the speaker independent of the distance to the listener.
Great rundown. I only really absorb a little of the home theatre knowledge at a time but its funny how even your interpretations of what experts or "so-called TH-cam Experts" say that may be taken in a subjective way. Your explanation of how audio is subjective made me realize people who talk about audio being subjective isn't meant to say how we interpret it subjectively only, but also the environment and other factors that produce the subjective results.
I particularly found it interesting his you mentioned how direct the speaker is with your ear that can influence what range of frequencies you want to consider when making adjustments. To tie it all in you mention the multiple drivers in each cone which really outlined my confusion as I used to judge the crossover mostly by the size of the outside of the speaker.
Hi! Yes, there are lots of factors that contribute to the subjective nature of this hobby. Another thing I didn't mention in this video is that I run power amplifiers for all my speakers. So when I have a speaker that can go down to 30Hz, my amplifier has no problems giving that extra juice for the speakers to handle the low frequencies in that range. If you are running an AVR only, it may be difficult for the AVR to provide extra power for those lower frequencies. My college and I created a new Home Theater product, and in this product, we dedicated a section on finding the correct Crossover Point for your speakers. This is specifically for a Dolby Atmos setup and it is based on what you hear through your system. Might make this topic easier to figure out - th-cam.com/video/fM4qu8s3F3k/w-d-xo.html
My receiver is a denon x4300h
My speakers are all Polk signature speakers rated for 80 htz crossover. if I set all my speakers to small on a 9.2 setup and crossover at 80 with my subs on life. What do I set the subs cross over at.. is it 80 the same as speaker crossover or 60 or at 100 . So my basic question is where should I set my sub crossover. I’m running 4 subs 10” 400 watt but in fact 200 watt power.
I’m confused so I’m general what do I do
Thanks
Barry Chapelle
THX chose 80hz because it's the point where most find bass not localized. If you measure the response seat to seat the modal frequencies are all over the place. If you know how to properly place and align multiple subs you're seat to seat response will be very similar. This means letting the subs handle as much as possible gives a more accurate response for more seats.
Also most have to sit near the rear wall. If you can sit at least 3.5' (1/4 wavelength of 80hz) or a tad more away from the rear wall you give rears room to image but also the rear wall SBIR null (where reflection interacts with direct causing a null ) can
be avoided with an 80hz crossover as you're crossing to subs above the the SBIR frequency so the null is fixed. Sitting closer or using a lower crossover brings the null back into the repsonse.
If the subs are properly setup and confirmed via response measurements this should always give a superior experience. If you use one sub as it seems is being done here every seat will vary greatly and letting mains handle more may sound better as the sub setup needs work.
For those that don't know how to align subs for a similar response at all seats then sure experiment with crossover points. But there is a very good reason THX chose it.
in the real world application it sounds fuller and better when you let your mains play down to the 60s, 50s and 40s The sound front stage comes alive so take it with a pinch of salt but what you experience and what the "Norm" is are two different things..
Muy buen video, recomiendas cambiar el corte del subwoofer que por defecto es 120 hz en el receptor, bajarlo a 80 hz?, el corte de los satelites los tengo en 80 hz tambien!!
I have a processor that if I set the speakers to small my sub setting choices are YES or NO. If set to large the choices are no, LFE, or L/R+ Sub..what would you suggest? I want as much bass as I can coming from the subwoofers. Which are two SVS SB2000.
THANK YOU.
GREAT VIDEO!
Hi! You want the sub to be LFE
Hi have a question I have jbl studio 590 speaker what is the best settings for 2 channel only set to small are large
Thanks Channa great video. I looked at several and thought your recommendations rounded off everything I had looked at and read. I have a Pioneer SP-52KFS system. I’m thinking about about upgrading to either elac, svs, or klipsch but that’s beside the point. So on the spec sheet the towers bottom out at 40 Hz center and surrounds 55 Hz, atmos-enabled at 180 Hz. So I raised everything up by 10 hz 50 hz and 70 hz respectively. Subwoofers set 120 hz and atmos-enabled speakers (180 hz) I left at the auto-calibration level of 150 hz. I’ll listen to these settings for a week or so and see if I like ‘em.
I am looking at two SVS subs, the PB4000 and SB16 Ultra. The specs. say there ranges are 16-200hz and 16-460hz. What I don't understand is why list such a high range if the sub will never get there ?
A good rule of thumb is to put it 10hz above what the speaker can do at the low end.
I can roll with that.
so if my tower speakers are at 40hz - 22hz then set x-over at 50hz more or less?
@@camf33 If your centre speaker can go deeper than 60 hz, then set the crossover between 60 - 70 hz.
If the SVS Bookshelfs get down to 45HZ, can I set the crossover @ 60HZ?
Ok my Amp has a global crossover. Yamaha RX-Z9. I have RF-7ii RC-64ii and RS-62. The options that I have is 40hz 60 hz or 80hz. I have the PB-4000 and a Klipsch. R-115 in back. Do you think 60 Hz is to low for the Center ? Again I have a Global crossover
I'm running 2 subwoofers rated at 29-120Hz and 5 ELAC Unifi UB52's rated at 46-35,000Hz and I have tried crossovers from 40-100Hz and I found that they sound the best at 100Hz. I think that handing off the bass at 100Hz to the twin subwoofers fills the room better and it just blew me away at the clarity of the sound. You give great advice to try different settings to see what works best for your system because if I had stuck with 80Hz crossover I would be missing out on the full capability of my system. I'm running the speakers on a Yamaha RX-A4A (which I highly recommend).
Im strongly considering the RX-A4A. What are your biggest dislikes from it so far?
@bobbyb7465 It has a steep learning curve. I like to fiddle so it doesn't bother me. The manual is 400 pages! If you have the patience, it's worth it, though.
my center speaker fq 47-30 Dali Opticon MK2 wich fq you recomend for my center speaker ??
What about when you have speakers like the Canton movie 165 series were the speakers only work from 120hz?
Then set those to 120Hz. This is mainly for tower speakers that go lower than 80Hz.
What should the subwoofer overlap be?
The subwoofer LFE should be set to 120 Hz in your AVR.
On SVS PB-2000pro sub, on the SVS app can I set 120 Hz on the app or do I have to change it in the Yamaha RX-6VA receiver ? Or set it to 120hz on the app and receiver? Kef Q550 and SVS PB-2000pro with Yamaha RX-6VA receiver 2.1 set up
How about for car subs? Whats the best hertz for setup? 40hz? 50hz?
I have a p2200- pro what should the crossover point be on that?
excellent video ...what do you recommend crossover and level
Home theater 7.2.2
AVR Marantz 7012
Bluray 4k panasonic DP ub820
Front klipsch RF-42II
Center RP 504C
Subwoofer klipsch R-110SW
Subwoofer SVS PB 1000
Surround and surround back RB-41 II
Dolby Atmos Rp 140SA
living Room size 13 x 31 (403 sq feet)
Which Power amplifier is suitable for Onkyo Tx-Rz 830?
9.2 chanels
Thanks.
Excellent video bro. I like your videos. Bro please let me know, I am using the subwoofer SVS PB 12 NSD and really can't decide to set the crossover. Shall I set it up to 120 hz or below that. My amp is Onkyo tx nr 686. Would really appreciate to have your advise and answer on this ASAP.
My bookshelf (rear surrounds) goes down upto 55 hz. Is it okay if i set them to 70 hz crossover?
Hi, I have new flagship Denon AVC110 Great. Setup using a mic. After watching many youtube post now decided to set up a manual. Great. My question is my 2ch music has SVS sub and B&W CDM9 I have set Sub + Mains and Front speaker to large with cross-over set at 80Hz. I have set my films to all speakers small and the subwoofer only cross-over 80Hz. my side speakers are CDM1 B&W and all my speakers are wired 5.1 Bi-amp. Any tips or advice I could consider trying out would be great full.
Love your channel. Have a question on av receivers and using a crown amplifier for my mains don’t know what to set the input sensitivity on the crown amplifier to? my receiver is a denon avr 6500 and for speakers I’m using all cerwin Vega xls series my mains are the xls single 15s - center channel xls 6c - and the rears are xls-6 . Also really don’t know anything about base management because I’m new to this surroundsound area should I set my mains to small or large
Thanks Techno Dad this vid really helped me understand about crossovers so many thanks and keep on going
I need help on my set up please,
I bought in a entry level Yamaha YHT 3072 5.1 av receiver along with the Taga TAV 506 v.2 and a subwoofer TAV 90 v.4, all I want to know is what crossover frequency do I set up on the av receiver and what Crossover frequency do I set up on the subwoofer, I'm using a LFE cable to link the sub to the av receiver... Thanks.
I just watched this video. Have a Klipsch RP4000F and RP404C paired with the SPL100 sub. Would crossover at 60 be better for both towers and center or 60 for the towers and 80 for the center? Should I leave the LFE at 120 or reduce it to 100 or 80? I’m new to this and would like to seek your help and thoughts! Thank you!
Should I set the crossover to maximum in my subwoofer and adjust crossover in my AV receiver?
Subwoofer should be set to LFE. Don’t forget to check me out on Patreon - Patreon.com/TechnoDad
80hz totally works for smaller speakers but I don't think it's right to set 80hz crossovers for large towers. As a guideline for all speakers, How about setting it 20hz more than lowest frequency response? Also, your thoughts on setting the front towers to LARGE vs SMALL?
Always small, because that way you can set the frequencies for all youre speakers.