It appears that the AM's trail quads and calf are not in as great an extension as the Pro, but for many of us ams, the issue may be above the hip line. I am going to film this to try to feel what lead and trail side muscles are doing during these swing phases. Can gears overlay the muscle actions (those long muscles of quadratus lumbarum and rectus abdominus) may be the real issue in getting better extension - I have a chronic Issue on my right side that takes a lot of warm up). May be that coordination of lead side flexion and trail side extension (feeling the stretch) are part of the issue, but how do you correct this in a session? Thx!
From the green back to the tee box is a great way to learn the game. Recently had a chipping and pitching lesson where the instructor was talking about this move. It makes perfect sense.
This is the most meaningful (for me) video that I’ve seen from you guys, or from anyone. congratulations and thank you! John Doss (AKA FORMER BIRD DOG)
This is exactly the lesson I had with my regular coach this week. Belt buckle finishing point up and the closest thing to the target. It follows on from my 2nd GEARS session with your associate Joe at JD Golf Academy where the way you suggest doing pitch shots was how he wanted me to practice this move. It's also what Adam Young and Joe Mayo espouse as the way to hit pitch shots. Dump the club and push out of the ground. I've been to Zen GRF golf and they say the same things. You guys have some of the best content on YT.
fantastic video again... definitely not just a video about the swing post impact, there's like a handful of gems in a single video for the entire swing.
The Y to Y drill is one of my favorites and really does wonders (Jack used it a lot back in the day). I am going to add that feeling of the body extension to it....great stuff.
In my lessons with my coach this year, this is exactly the finish that he has been trying to get me to do. I'm finally getting there, with great playing results. Your explanation and Gear comparisons really drive home the point. Very helpful. Thanks!
Great video. I started doing this a few months ago and it helped me from flipping the clubhead over too early. The body motion helps stabilize the clubhead.
Thank you for these videos. Incredible analysis. The sequencing of extension from front hip to back hip (I think that’s right?) and secondary tilt analysis made my week
Absolute treasure trove! 💛 I am holding off visiting the GEARS facility here in the UK because I'm a 20 handicapper and fear (namely the travel) it would end up covering very basic core concepts, rather than dialling or specific outcome-driven training, to which more basic lessons are more suited. So it's great to get the level of detail you provide in these videos 🙌
these good body concepts at impact are impossible to unsee and unlearn once you get them. helped me tremendously with my iron strikes. bagging the 3 iron confidently again. also now seeing swings from different angles, i understand how they *create the look* of being incredibly open at impact because of the camera angle, but in reality the hips are really only extremely open if you are made out of stretchy string cheese, they're not "facing the target" or anything like that at impact.
I like to think about the right hip (as a right hander) beating the club to the ball. It really helps me open up and extend through the ball. As always outstanding information!!
Mike and Shaun, I have seen that one way to work into the correct body driven movement you show is to think of swinging a 10 pound sledgehammer up and out towards the target. You have to start letting it move back and forth in increasing arcs, like a child on a swing, to build momentum with the arms just hanging like the chains or ropes of the swing. You have to turn the legs, hips and chest both going back and forward, not just swinging it with your arms. When you get it swinging back far enough that you are ready to heave it out toward the target, letting momentum take it up like the final height of the playground swing to get distance, your legs, hips, chest and shoulders will be, have to be, automatically in the position you show, with the arms extended straight out. You can’t swing and build momentum to heave the heavy sledgehammer any other way.
@@AthleticMotionGolf what's a flippy ball flight? high? It definitely used to launch too high. I'm actually at the range right now trying it and it's going very low, but I've lost ball speed
Hi Shaun and Mike , great drill, if we all only started playing golf like Mr Harvey Penicks suggests starting with the short game or Wedge we all may have better sequencing great tips guys cheers
yo wayne defranseco had this drill like 10+ years ago, he didn't explain it as well, just had his students figure it out organically - either way its a great drill and one that is timeless - ty for your vids and avatars using gears
As usual, great content! I do have a curiosity question based on the fact that I have lived through decades of trends, and that question is, how is this different from the old "reverse C" follow through made popular by Johnny Miller and others, but later claimed to cause back problems? What's the difference? Or is it just a matter of degree? What am I missing? Thanks!
A lot of that reverse C came from knee drive that had the lead knee well outside the ankle. There was also a lot of hip and knee issues from that as well. Any good movement can be over/under down - your point about being a matter of degrees is a very important one 👏
Not to speak for the fellas but speaking from an anatomy standpoint there's obviously extremes. That being said one sure fire way to screw your back is too much rotating while side bending. Spines primary function is to flex and extend so those motions aren't bad for your back unless you dont actually have those ranges from a mobility standpoint
Great lesson, it solves a conceptual issue for me. When you’re showing Pro vs. Am swings side-by-side you might also consider overlapping the two images at some point, as I think it would demonstrate the different positions even more dramatically; fwiw
@@AthleticMotionGolf Ok thanks - I think its easier to make the turn by using force from the left plus you have to have the whole weight on the left side to be able to "drag" the right foot. The problem otherwise is that the right side usually overpowers the left. Sheffler is another good example of that. Fred Couples too. Thanks for great videos.
Fantastic stuff, love you guys! Would love to see some info on how the arms sync up with this. I "feel" like I have dead arms and it leads to the left arm coming off the chest, and the wrists not being active enough - holding off the release. I'm "trying to feel" - the left arm externally rotating, the right elbow extending, the left wrist flexing. It feels like if I don't do those things, the energy in the body doesn't fully get through the ball. After seeing this I'm left wondering...do I need to feel any of that stuff? Am I just creating Mike's "bad" example (using the arms to throw the ball) Huge fan, love your work!
Really helpful! Thanks! If we are practicing with our own camera (not GEARS), what is the best way we could position it to check the position of our hand vis-a-vis belt buckle, mid-chest, & shoulders? I would like to film myself and draw lines on that would be used as checkpoints for these positions on follow-through. (You may need a follow-up video for this.)
@@victoranderson1264 guesstimate how your hips are open at impact, then place the camera so it will be looking perpendicular to the center of your hips at impact. Doesn’t have to be dead on exact but it may take a swing or two to get it in the right spot 👍
Great video, thank you. Just to check, so you actively lower the hands in the downswing but then let the body raise them in the follow through? So it’s not actively lowering and then actively raising? Thank you
The arms do lift coming through but much of that lift is a result of the extension and they aren’t lifting past the chest until much later than what most golfers realize.
Great video as always. My dad has this issue. He gets the club steep coming down and that lack of extension etc, seems like a way to keep the club from going further left. Have you guys seen that type of pattern? As always the fix probably is fixing the early stuff in the swing first. Will have to get him to come by this winter when he’s in your area.
Great explanation and use of data, you guys are the best! As for the effort to make this video, there won’t be any money. But when you die, you will receive total consciousness. So you got that going for you…which is nice.
Gentlemen, tremendous video. One of my biggest problems is that right knee coming way too forward in the downswing.I know you said your going to do a future video on that, but in the short term would a thought of leaving the right knee behind as your extending be a possible swing thought? My other question I have to make sure I am understanding this properly is in the process of extending upward does the golfer totally forget about his arms and hands and let the body mostly bring the club around to the finish?
@@cubfan69kmz85 we did a lesson 2hrs ago where we were able to get the golfer to finally stop doing “arm and hand” stuff through impact and just get him to move his body more like this… he was amazed he saw himself suddenly do all the Armand hand stuff he’d been try to do 🙂 When you say “forward” with the knee, are you taking about towards the ball or towards the target?
Great video and also good drill 👍 I uderstand that this is good for pitching but to me it always feel difficult to get driver over 200 yards. I mean you need good and fast body rotation to get speed. Yes pros are doing it, but they aren't "normal" people 😅
Athletic Motion Golf, I would be very interested to see ground force information in conjunction with GEAR to explain what is going on with the rear leg through impact with pros. I suspect there is a lot of sideways push going on with pros when the average player has a sleeping rear leg in that area of the swing.
I wouldn’t because I don’t feel that lol. But that’s the thing about feels, they are unique to the player. The best way to know what it should feel like to YOU is make the proper movements (as slow as it needs to be to do it) then pay attention to what that feels like.
I found if I have half decent pressure shifts that if I feel head behind ball at impact all this happens. Cause and effect. AMG is the only info-trainment I tell golfers at my club to watch.
The only way I can get this position and forward shaft lean at impact look it to swing the club like I a whipping motion. Is this motion the key to every golf swing and is that what the pros are doing and feeling. I struggle with the finish and it only works when I finish the swing at parallel.
It’s like you guys can read my mind. However I’m curious if this takes us to a reverse C finish position, and if this is bad for the back. I remember way back we were taught to avoid this which somewhat contributed to finishing low and around. 🤔
@@winsyong finishing with the chest up and back extended (to top half of the reverse “C”) is a back saver. The back killer is the bottom half of the “C” saggy knee leg drive. DOING what we show here is how to NOT finish low and around 😉
For anyone (me, especially) with back and lower back issues, that lifting pelvis during torsion is pain-inducing. Made me want to quit but retirement golf is important so I went to a swing that requires no lumbar "compression" and I now can play all I want, at a 6 handicap (6300 yd. 132 slope course), at 70 years young! Your advice is great for all those who don't have back problems. Thanks.
Love to hear that you’re playing pain free now. But I think you’re confusing spinal compression with what we’re showing. Extension of the spine, like we’re showing here, is the opposite of compressing it. Shaun has a herniated disc and I have 6 screws in my lower back. Swing mechanics that are safe on the back are paramount in our instruction 🙂
@@AthleticMotionGolf Thanks for the correction and glad to hear that you are cognizant of the issue. My "conventional" swing also worked pretty well and I have learned a lot from your channel about "positions" and execution. A job well done.
i can tell that i'm getting armsy and not getting my body extended when my back starts hurting. i feel that my back doesn't hurt when i get through the ball and get stretched in my follow threw
I have trouble turning so I duck both feet out ...when I tried to get to your impact position I noticed it is very hard for me to move my trail leg to that 45 degree position which makes me think the duck foot is helping the backswing but hurting my impact and ability to rotate fully to a finish position. Might have to try keeping the trail foot closer to square to help my down swing flow. I notice it most on wedges where I am not swing as hard and momentum isn't helping me get around as much...EYE OPENER
Watch the older players at the local club that are teeing off first thing in the morning and you see this lack of thoracic extension through the hit. However I know from experience that as we age our spines loose some of the mobility necessary to extend the spine
@@AthleticMotionGolf This was an awesome video. Working on this pushing a ball and then 20-30 yard pitch shots is the way to make it better And I am looking forward to your book 10 keys to better golf. 👊🔥
Mike/Shaun. Have you ever run into a student who is extremely open at impact?? I’m talking chest like 60 degrees or so open at impact and hits it nowhere - very short! What is going on here? Also right knee is “kicked in” excessively. Might that be the culprit?? Really curious if you’ve ever seen anyone that open at impact. Appreciate any input!
How does one increase clubhead speed BUT what is the relationship between swing weight and clubhead speed? Say, a person swinging a driver with a swing weight at E-0 and 102 mph head speed vs a person swinging a driver with a swing weight of D-2 and 110 mph head speed. Would the result be similar length drives? Seems that the momentum calculation (mv) would represent the situation of hitting a golf ball, as opposed to the kinetic energy calculation (1/2m•v^2). I say this because whatever clubhead speed is generated by the point of contact that momentum is transferred to the ball. The momentum of a heavier clubhead is greater per mph, such that a slower clubhead speed with a heavier driver head does impart as much momentum to the ball as a faster moving but light clubhead. Has anyone done a study on this physical aspect of the swing and clubhead mass and shot distance (or ball speed) produced?
@@billygraham5589 as a practical application, there is t a rule for swing weight clubhead speed. How a given player reacts is the wildcard in the equation. Also swing weight is not a good indicator for mass involved at impact as SW doesn’t tell you of the components.
Pro's will start moving up with their lower body upwards to give them room to hit ball (because if they didn't do this they would hit the club into the ground). Am player uses his arms and lifts up to create the space..
@@kenthustvedt7139 we don’t subscribe to the back/mid/front post theory as we haven’t seen it borne out in the data we’ve collected over the years. What leads you to believe most of the pros we show, and us, are mid post? Isn’t a screening necessary to make the determination?
@@AthleticMotionGolfI think he means your ideal averages out to be mid-post (right or wrong). Is the thought that someone like Bryson is essentially within the realm of acceptability vs “being front post”?
@@ryandavidtrapasso we haven’t seen a single pro yet who doesn’t do what we’re highlighting in this video. Maybe I’m just not following the question correctly, but I love learning and swing discussions 🤓
@@AthleticMotionGolf Screening is good, but the post is generally obvious because there are a lot of traits. Dustin Johnson is rear post and he has a very strong grip, has more hip hinge, turns around his rear leg, his pressure moves to the target later, his hips are wide open at impact, he extends both arms parallel to ground on the through swing, and he uses the ground mostly horizontally. Rory has a more neutral grip, medium hip hinge, his hips are less open at impact, he extends both arms lower than Dustin and uses the ground rotationally and vertically. And from what I've seen your swings are similar to Rory's. A front post golfer has a weaker grip, more upright stance, pressure moves forward at P2, hips are even less open at impact, arms are extended 1-2' past impact, and uses the ground mostly vertically. There are clearly exceptions so I'd say the post is a starting point for explaining differences between different golf swings. I love your videos but the only basis that I hear for the golfers that you use in your examples is that they won a lot of money or majors. These people are freak athletes whose bodies can hold up under their extensive training regimens over many years. So it may not be reasonable to think everyone can move the way that they move or that everyone should swing the same way. In this video I don't see an explanation as to why Dustin and Rory have differences in their swings. Or your 3 other examples. Is it that you don't know how/why they are different or is it that it's beyond the scope of a video to provide this information? I'm not saying that you should adopt Mike Adams' approach, but it would be nice if you could explain why your examples are different so we could maximize the value of your great experience and technology.
@@kenthustvedt7139 can you link me to the measured ground forces of Rory and DJ that support those descriptions? We have them both on real 3D and their data does not support the movements you described. But again, if you have links you could share I’d love to see the captures. We do not suggest movements that only fit, thin, hyper mobile players can do. That would be highly useless instruction. What do you feel we teach that falls into that category. We work with many tour players, but work with many many many more players between the ages of 50-70. They don’t seem to have an issue. I’ve heard all the guesses and opinions why those guys swing differently. But I haven’t anything more concrete than guesses or opinions. Which is fine btw. We prefer to lean on the data we’ve collected and trust our measurement tools to inform our instruction. It’s always up to the player to choose the path they want to go down. But if this is a discussion on the why or what’s measured, I’m sure you’ll agree that your descriptions will need to be supported by evidence as well, right?
@@television3771 haha was just making sure you saw the how part. some folks don't make it all the way through videos before commenting or asking questions. Thanks for sharing the vids 🙏👊
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It appears that the AM's trail quads and calf are not in as great an extension as the Pro, but for many of us ams, the issue may be above the hip line.
I am going to film this to try to feel what lead and trail side muscles are doing during these swing phases. Can gears overlay the muscle actions (those long muscles of quadratus lumbarum and rectus abdominus) may be the real issue in getting better extension - I have a chronic Issue on my right side that takes a lot of warm up). May be that coordination of lead side flexion and trail side extension (feeling the stretch) are part of the issue, but how do you correct this in a session? Thx!
From the green back to the tee box is a great way to learn the game. Recently had a chipping and pitching lesson where the instructor was talking about this move. It makes perfect sense.
This video should easily have 1 million views at least. These guys are throwing out gems here.
This is the most meaningful (for me) video that I’ve seen from you guys, or from anyone. congratulations and thank you!
John Doss (AKA FORMER BIRD DOG)
This is exactly what I needed! You guys are the best golf content on TH-cam.
Wow, thanks!
Love the long form content. Every topic are pennie’s from haven. There are always little pieces of gold in every vid. Thanks guys!
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This is exactly the lesson I had with my regular coach this week. Belt buckle finishing point up and the closest thing to the target. It follows on from my 2nd GEARS session with your associate Joe at JD Golf Academy where the way you suggest doing pitch shots was how he wanted me to practice this move. It's also what Adam Young and Joe Mayo espouse as the way to hit pitch shots. Dump the club and push out of the ground. I've been to Zen GRF golf and they say the same things. You guys have some of the best content on YT.
Thank you 🙏🏻 👊
fantastic video again... definitely not just a video about the swing post impact, there's like a handful of gems in a single video for the entire swing.
Every time I think you have released your best video ever, you outdo yourselves again. Fantastic work, gentlemen!
@@Tier_1_Golf_Academy you’re too kind 🙏🏻💯
@@AthleticMotionGolf you deserve it
Pure gold. You guys are so good.
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Great job on the explanation and great drill.
The Y to Y drill is one of my favorites and really does wonders (Jack used it a lot back in the day). I am going to add that feeling of the body extension to it....great stuff.
Another great video guys thanks so much!
Terrific! Just what I needed. Very well explained. Thanks!
Love it! Thanks for watching 👊
It’s like you’re watching me practice- I needed this. Thank you
You are so welcome!
I think I have needed this video since my last ilesson. Thank you! Great stuff as usual!
Love it 👊🙂
Thanks so much for this video. Very well explained!
In my lessons with my coach this year, this is exactly the finish that he has been trying to get me to do. I'm finally getting there, with great playing results. Your explanation and Gear comparisons really drive home the point. Very helpful. Thanks!
Awesome! Sounds like your working with a good pro 👏
This was just what i needed!
Let’s go 👊🙂
This vid gave me that 💡 moment and vastly improved my swing and shots! Impact on trail side is key
Great video. I started doing this a few months ago and it helped me from flipping the clubhead over too early. The body motion helps stabilize the clubhead.
@@ranmangolf sure does - well said 👏
Great video. Makes really good sense. The belt buckle tip takes the over the top move out of play. Compressing the ball again!
@@leemartino5547 let’s go 💪
Thank you for these videos. Incredible analysis. The sequencing of extension from front hip to back hip (I think that’s right?) and secondary tilt analysis made my week
You got it!
Absolute treasure trove! 💛 I am holding off visiting the GEARS facility here in the UK because I'm a 20 handicapper and fear (namely the travel) it would end up covering very basic core concepts, rather than dialling or specific outcome-driven training, to which more basic lessons are more suited. So it's great to get the level of detail you provide in these videos 🙌
We’re about to board a plane to the UK to do some 1-day golf schools with GEARS at the JD Golf Academy this Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday . 🙂
Outstanding video. Loved the short game nugget also.
@@richardelgart8420 🙏🏻👊
Thanks for the information lads it's brilliant
Wow - amazing content guys!!!
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Just love this channel. OCD me is saying “please change the burned out neon light!” lol
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this was a big one for me ! thanks
these good body concepts at impact are impossible to unsee and unlearn once you get them. helped me tremendously with my iron strikes. bagging the 3 iron confidently again.
also now seeing swings from different angles, i understand how they *create the look* of being incredibly open at impact because of the camera angle, but in reality the hips are really only extremely open if you are made out of stretchy string cheese, they're not "facing the target" or anything like that at impact.
@@michaelnugent707 post of the week 🙌
I like to think about the right hip (as a right hander) beating the club to the ball. It really helps me open up and extend through the ball. As always outstanding information!!
Great thought 🙌
@@AthleticMotionGolf thanks. That's positive reinforcement!
Awesome. Thanks for the great content.
Mike and Shaun, I have seen that one way to work into the correct body driven movement you show is to think of swinging a 10 pound sledgehammer up and out towards the target. You have to start letting it move back and forth in increasing arcs, like a child on a swing, to build momentum with the arms just hanging like the chains or ropes of the swing. You have to turn the legs, hips and chest both going back and forward, not just swinging it with your arms. When you get it swinging back far enough that you are ready to heave it out toward the target, letting momentum take it up like the final height of the playground swing to get distance, your legs, hips, chest and shoulders will be, have to be, automatically in the position you show, with the arms extended straight out. You can’t swing and build momentum to heave the heavy sledgehammer any other way.
@@johnatchley9754 love it👏 Very similar to one of the drills we use in our Speed System .
Yet another great video, can't wait to try this as my follow through looks wrong and flippy. How will this affect my shots though?
No way for us to know without seeing what you currently do, but it should be the opposite of a flippy ball flight 😊
@@AthleticMotionGolf what's a flippy ball flight? high? It definitely used to launch too high. I'm actually at the range right now trying it and it's going very low, but I've lost ball speed
@@patitoshorehigh is good. Ballooning not good
Hi Shaun and Mike , great drill, if we all only started playing golf like Mr Harvey Penicks suggests starting with the short game or Wedge we all may have
better sequencing great tips guys cheers
@@malcolmparker2243 👊🙂
New videos always fantastic, but also makes me go work on something new 😂
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Mr Havercamp has a world class pause at the top of the swing
that ALL the great golfers have tried to copy.
Clearly the father of the “modern swing” 👊😂
yo wayne defranseco had this drill like 10+ years ago, he didn't explain it as well, just had his students figure it out organically - either way its a great drill and one that is timeless - ty for your vids and avatars using gears
Great point. Many of he best, and simplistic, drills have been around since great golf has been played
Isn't that a 2 Live Crew song? 🎶Club down, Body up, that's how we get in the cup. 🎶
You sir have just made the first Crew reference in our channels history 👏🙂
As usual, great content! I do have a curiosity question based on the fact that I have lived through decades of trends, and that question is, how is this different from the old "reverse C" follow through made popular by Johnny Miller and others, but later claimed to cause back problems? What's the difference? Or is it just a matter of degree? What am I missing? Thanks!
A lot of that reverse C came from knee drive that had the lead knee well outside the ankle. There was also a lot of hip and knee issues from that as well. Any good movement can be over/under down - your point about being a matter of degrees is a very important one 👏
Not to speak for the fellas but speaking from an anatomy standpoint there's obviously extremes. That being said one sure fire way to screw your back is too much rotating while side bending. Spines primary function is to flex and extend so those motions aren't bad for your back unless you dont actually have those ranges from a mobility standpoint
Great lesson, it solves a conceptual issue for me. When you’re showing Pro vs. Am swings side-by-side you might also consider overlapping the two images at some point, as I think it would demonstrate the different positions even more dramatically; fwiw
Great videos thanks - how about to turn and "dragging" the right foot like Hogan and many others?
@@lennartsandberg1568 not a thing wrong with that 👊
@@AthleticMotionGolf Ok thanks - I think its easier to make the turn by using force from the left plus you have to have the whole weight on the left side to be able to "drag" the right foot. The problem otherwise is that the right side usually overpowers the left. Sheffler is another good example of that. Fred Couples too. Thanks for great videos.
Fantastic stuff, love you guys!
Would love to see some info on how the arms sync up with this. I "feel" like I have dead arms and it leads to the left arm coming off the chest, and the wrists not being active enough - holding off the release. I'm "trying to feel" - the left arm externally rotating, the right elbow extending, the left wrist flexing. It feels like if I don't do those things, the energy in the body doesn't fully get through the ball. After seeing this I'm left wondering...do I need to feel any of that stuff? Am I just creating Mike's "bad" example (using the arms to throw the ball)
Huge fan, love your work!
Try focusing on the body movements in the video and see if you don’t get that left arm stuff for free 🙂
Good one.
Really helpful! Thanks! If we are practicing with our own camera (not GEARS), what is the best way we could position it to check the position of our hand vis-a-vis belt buckle, mid-chest, & shoulders? I would like to film myself and draw lines on that would be used as checkpoints for these positions on follow-through. (You may need a follow-up video for this.)
@@victoranderson1264 guesstimate how your hips are open at impact, then place the camera so it will be looking perpendicular to the center of your hips at impact. Doesn’t have to be dead on exact but it may take a swing or two to get it in the right spot 👍
@@AthleticMotionGolf That makes sense. Will give that a try. Thanks!
Great video, thank you. Just to check, so you actively lower the hands in the downswing but then let the body raise them in the follow through? So it’s not actively lowering and then actively raising?
Thank you
The arms do lift coming through but much of that lift is a result of the extension and they aren’t lifting past the chest until much later than what most golfers realize.
Thanks for the reply.
Great video as always. My dad has this issue. He gets the club steep coming down and that lack of extension etc, seems like a way to keep the club from going further left. Have you guys seen that type of pattern? As always the fix probably is fixing the early stuff in the swing first. Will have to get him to come by this winter when he’s in your area.
@@gregowsik3848 we have seen that a couple times. What to fix is gonna be directly related to how much he practices 🙂
@@AthleticMotionGolf he’s from the Allen Iverson school of practice
@@gregowsik3848 😂 mine too
Great video
@@leepuddefoot-attackanglego7734 🙏🏻👊
Great explanation and use of data, you guys are the best! As for the effort to make this video, there won’t be any money. But when you die, you will receive total consciousness. So you got that going for you…which is nice.
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Gentlemen, tremendous video. One of my biggest problems is that right knee coming way too forward in the downswing.I know you said your going to do a future video on that, but in the short term would a thought of leaving the right knee behind as your extending be a possible swing thought? My other question I have to make sure I am understanding this properly is in the process of extending upward does the golfer totally forget about his arms and hands and let the body mostly bring the club around to the finish?
@@cubfan69kmz85 we did a lesson 2hrs ago where we were able to get the golfer to finally stop doing “arm and hand” stuff through impact and just get him to move his body more like this… he was amazed he saw himself suddenly do all the Armand hand stuff he’d been try to do 🙂
When you say “forward” with the knee, are you taking about towards the ball or towards the target?
@@AthleticMotionGolftowards target, like the amateur in gears.
Great video and also good drill 👍 I uderstand that this is good for pitching but to me it always feel difficult to get driver over 200 yards. I mean you need good and fast body rotation to get speed. Yes pros are doing it, but they aren't "normal" people 😅
Athletic Motion Golf, I would be very interested to see ground force information in conjunction with GEAR to explain what is going on with the rear leg through impact with pros. I suspect there is a lot of sideways push going on with pros when the average player has a sleeping rear leg in that area of the swing.
Just the opposite is through impact with pros. The he trail leg is doing very little. Think front wheel drive lol. Ams are more rear wheel drive
@@AthleticMotionGolf Does the rear leg provide sideways push earlier in the downswing ? If so when and at what point does it switch off?
@@johnhue8933 it’s early to mid backswing 😉
Excellent. What is the age difference pro vs the amateur? Does this affect the amateurs ability to achieve the correct movement?
Our pros range from early 20's to late 60's. They all do this movement. IIRC the am here was late 40's.
Great lesson, this part of the swing has always been the worst looking part. I now see what I need to be focusing on. Thanks guys.
You got this!
Great video.....would you say the feeling of throwing the club upwards and toward the target would achieve similiar body positions through impact?
I wouldn’t because I don’t feel that lol. But that’s the thing about feels, they are unique to the player. The best way to know what it should feel like to YOU is make the proper movements (as slow as it needs to be to do it) then pay attention to what that feels like.
Agree, I'll try both feels and let you know how I get on
Another outstanding video. Legendary teacher Bob Toski would use a 2 x 4. It's almost impossible to move in with your arms.
That's awesome - I haven't heard that one before. What a legend!
Great video thanks. How critical is the left knee bend and direction going into that extension?
@@brucelade8551 it’s much harder to extend the pelvis correctly if the lead knee is sagging through impact
@@AthleticMotionGolf Thanks makes sense in context of your video. Your Gears pro left knee looks very "quiet"?
What software do you recommend for swing recording?
I found if I have half decent pressure shifts that if I feel head behind ball at impact all this happens. Cause and effect. AMG is the only info-trainment I tell golfers at my club to watch.
These guys and Dan Grieve for short game are the only guys I recommend.
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@@adamhope8689Thank you! 👊🙂
@@adamhope8689 lol me too
@@adamhope8689 imagine that collaboration....get dan on there
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Great one guys. Definitely resonates with me....unfortunately
Now you can work on it 👊😉
The only way I can get this position and forward shaft lean at impact look it to swing the club like I a whipping motion. Is this motion the key to every golf swing and is that what the pros are doing and feeling. I struggle with the finish and it only works when I finish the swing at parallel.
Does the forearm supination aka "the hitchhiker" move or the throw happen during this sequence?
@@tedfields9978 it starts well before and continues during 👍
Thanks for the prompt response.
So what is the sequence that causes this result (good and bad)? Are players ‘stalling’ their body rotation? Not moving forward early enough?
It’s like you guys can read my mind. However I’m curious if this takes us to a reverse C finish position, and if this is bad for the back. I remember way back we were taught to avoid this which somewhat contributed to finishing low and around. 🤔
@@winsyong finishing with the chest up and back extended (to top half of the reverse “C”) is a back saver. The back killer is the bottom half of the “C” saggy knee leg drive. DOING what we show here is how to NOT finish low and around 😉
@@AthleticMotionGolf thanks for the feedback, will definitely be paying attention to the pointers in this video as well.
For anyone (me, especially) with back and lower back issues, that lifting pelvis during torsion is pain-inducing. Made me want to quit but retirement golf is important so I went to a swing that requires no lumbar "compression" and I now can play all I want, at a 6 handicap (6300 yd. 132 slope course), at 70 years young! Your advice is great for all those who don't have back problems. Thanks.
Love to hear that you’re playing pain free now. But I think you’re confusing spinal compression with what we’re showing. Extension of the spine, like we’re showing here, is the opposite of compressing it. Shaun has a herniated disc and I have 6 screws in my lower back. Swing mechanics that are safe on the back are paramount in our instruction 🙂
@@AthleticMotionGolf Thanks for the correction and glad to hear that you are cognizant of the issue. My "conventional" swing also worked pretty well and I have learned a lot from your channel about "positions" and execution. A job well done.
i can tell that i'm getting armsy and not getting my body extended when my back starts hurting. i feel that my back doesn't hurt when i get through the ball and get stretched in my follow threw
Great point and I feel your pain 😬😅
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I have trouble turning so I duck both feet out ...when I tried to get to your impact position I noticed it is very hard for me to move my trail leg to that 45 degree position which
makes me think the duck foot is helping the backswing but hurting my impact and ability to rotate fully to a finish position. Might have to try keeping the trail foot closer to square to help my down swing flow. I notice it most on wedges where I am not swing as hard and momentum isn't helping me get around as much...EYE OPENER
Watch the older players at the local club that are teeing off first thing in the morning and you see this lack of thoracic extension through the hit. However I know from experience that as we age our spines loose some of the mobility necessary to extend the spine
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@@AthleticMotionGolf This was an awesome video. Working on this pushing a ball and then 20-30 yard pitch shots is the way to make it better And I am looking forward to your book 10 keys to better golf. 👊🔥
Mike/Shaun. Have you ever run into a student who is extremely open at impact?? I’m talking chest like 60 degrees or so open at impact and hits it nowhere - very short! What is going on here? Also right knee is “kicked in” excessively. Might that be the culprit?? Really curious if you’ve ever seen anyone that open at impact. Appreciate any input!
@@louislane1968 we have seen a few like that. Basically spinning. Not much speed at all associated with being excessively open.
I just looked at Furyk, he came to mind. He is in similar position, but gets away with it.
@@louislane1968 Incredible golfer. Good athlete. Good example of rotation not producing speed.
Thank you for your reply!
How does one increase clubhead speed BUT what is the relationship between swing weight and clubhead speed? Say, a person swinging a driver with a swing weight at E-0 and 102 mph head speed vs a person swinging a driver with a swing weight of D-2 and 110 mph head speed. Would the result be similar length drives? Seems that the momentum calculation (mv) would represent the situation of hitting a golf ball, as opposed to the kinetic energy calculation (1/2m•v^2). I say this because whatever clubhead speed is generated by the point of contact that momentum is transferred to the ball. The momentum of a heavier clubhead is greater per mph, such that a slower clubhead speed with a heavier driver head does impart as much momentum to the ball as a faster moving but light clubhead. Has anyone done a study on this physical aspect of the swing and clubhead mass and shot distance (or ball speed) produced?
@@billygraham5589 as a practical application, there is t a rule for swing weight clubhead speed. How a given player reacts is the wildcard in the equation. Also swing weight is not a good indicator for mass involved at impact as SW doesn’t tell you of the components.
Pro's will start moving up with their lower body upwards to give them room to hit ball (because if they didn't do this they would hit the club into the ground). Am player uses his arms and lifts up to create the space..
How would the impact position look different for a front post golfer? Most of your examples seem to be mid post golfers, as probably both of you are .
@@kenthustvedt7139 we don’t subscribe to the back/mid/front post theory as we haven’t seen it borne out in the data we’ve collected over the years. What leads you to believe most of the pros we show, and us, are mid post? Isn’t a screening necessary to make the determination?
@@AthleticMotionGolfI think he means your ideal averages out to be mid-post (right or wrong). Is the thought that someone like Bryson is essentially within the realm of acceptability vs “being front post”?
@@ryandavidtrapasso we haven’t seen a single pro yet who doesn’t do what we’re highlighting in this video. Maybe I’m just not following the question correctly, but I love learning and swing discussions 🤓
@@AthleticMotionGolf Screening is good, but the post is generally obvious because there are a lot of traits. Dustin Johnson is rear post and he has a very strong grip, has more hip hinge, turns around his rear leg, his pressure moves to the target later, his hips are wide open at impact, he extends both arms parallel to ground on the through swing, and he uses the ground mostly horizontally. Rory has a more neutral grip, medium hip hinge, his hips are less open at impact, he extends both arms lower than Dustin and uses the ground rotationally and vertically. And from what I've seen your swings are similar to Rory's. A front post golfer has a weaker grip, more upright stance, pressure moves forward at P2, hips are even less open at impact, arms are extended 1-2' past impact, and uses the ground mostly vertically. There are clearly exceptions so I'd say the post is a starting point for explaining differences between different golf swings.
I love your videos but the only basis that I hear for the golfers that you use in your examples is that they won a lot of money or majors. These people are freak athletes whose bodies can hold up under their extensive training regimens over many years. So it may not be reasonable to think everyone can move the way that they move or that everyone should swing the same way.
In this video I don't see an explanation as to why Dustin and Rory have differences in their swings. Or your 3 other examples. Is it that you don't know how/why they are different or is it that it's beyond the scope of a video to provide this information?
I'm not saying that you should adopt Mike Adams' approach, but it would be nice if you could explain why your examples are different so we could maximize the value of your great experience and technology.
@@kenthustvedt7139 can you link me to the measured ground forces of Rory and DJ that support those descriptions?
We have them both on real 3D and their data does not support the movements you described. But again, if you have links you could share I’d love to see the captures.
We do not suggest movements that only fit, thin, hyper mobile players can do. That would be highly useless instruction. What do you feel we teach that falls into that category. We work with many tour players, but work with many many many more players between the ages of 50-70. They don’t seem to have an issue.
I’ve heard all the guesses and opinions why those guys swing differently. But I haven’t anything more concrete than guesses or opinions. Which is fine btw. We prefer to lean on the data we’ve collected and trust our measurement tools to inform our instruction. It’s always up to the player to choose the path they want to go down. But if this is a discussion on the why or what’s measured, I’m sure you’ll agree that your descriptions will need to be supported by evidence as well, right?
Do you squeeze your cheeks at impact to stabilize?
@@bdstl6622 to extend, yes 👍
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There's a million ways not to swing the club just go to the driving range 😢😅
Getting that right heel up in chip shots will cause you to drive the chip shop. Not good results.
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Oh golly you guys are hot today! What a peach!
We see what you did there 🍑😄
They can see better with gears but they don’t know how to get it done.
@@television3771 sounds like you didn’t watch the how to get it done part?
@@AthleticMotionGolf Of course I did…….Love the content and you and Mike are likable. I reference your vids all the time.
@@television3771 haha was just making sure you saw the how part. some folks don't make it all the way through videos before commenting or asking questions. Thanks for sharing the vids 🙏👊
Why golf instructor compare us to tour players 😀..Play like James (NBA) drive like Formula 1 drivers😄
@@sm00v00 not the same thing. Bad analogy
golf is so complicated
@@Rusnak1973 it can be, but that’s also why accurate info is important 🙂
You talk and show 15 min mistakes but only 3 minutes about the right way. No drill???
@@ruedigermergemeier interesting how what you saw is so different than everyone else.
Mike looking skinny!
@@LBJC camera angles 😛
They both looking more fit. Congrats guys