There are so many paths to form France, the only advantage there is to start as France instead of tagswitching into it is your starting position, if you want to be a powerhouse it is just better to tagswitch into it. France being an endgame tag, funnily enought, makes France the worst France.
Yep Provence is insane. Did a run recently where I started as Provence then switched to Croatia, then Austria, then sardinia piedmont, then prussia and finally byzantium
Great video! I love playing Provance. I would like to add, a lot of people miss out on the really strong move of vassalising Provance when playing other nations. The free cores on Naples mission is available even as a vassal. Very strong opener for getting into Italy.
I've got a video suggestion: you can delay taking the 100 years war mission as England, allowing you to set up all the English missions. Then you activate the 100 years war mission, keep the popup open, do the English missions and use the popup to go for Angevin ideas.
Also love to play as Provence. Its mission tree is one of those old pearls. Maybe the best minor tree to start with in europe. Its not as stacked and op as all the new major trees but you pick up some really good perma bonuses and you re in a great position to switch into Sardinia-Piemont for even more goodies. For the start i prefer to get the cores on Naples. That requires the aragonese king to not die too early which means maybe some Alt+F4. Cause as soon Naples is free you can attack them while they have no allies and full annex them. The result is a huge jump in power for Provence and allows you to sell the land in Lorraine to Burgundy to keep them friendly without issues. And you also save a diplo slot you d have occupied for >50 years. But there is even more to it. Getting the neapolitan lands early on also means you can reach the Balkans/Greece quickly to secure a byzantine vassal. Most of the time Epirus is still around at that time and you can release Byz there. Allowing you to sabotage the Ottomans early on so they dont escalate too much.
I played campaign as Provance to Jerusalem few weeks ago and the only problematic thing about Provance is RNG. You need some lucky to get all personal unions and I dismatled HRE to finish missions quicker with can also be tricky. Anyway Provance is a beast nation, when you know how to play it :D
Now forming Sardinia-piedmont is more important because of their +5% admin efficiency on top of their dip annex +10%. And yes, Provence has an insane mission tree with crazy modifiers
I feel like forming Prussia and doing the Prussian missions to get 5% admin eff is the better way instead of directly forming to France. What you can also do beforehand is form Austria to PU Bohemia
You have to go much further afield - you might’ve noticed that Sardinia-Piedmont is not only good it is close within reach of Provence. He’s going for a fairly normal but still powerful game, not a full trek across Europe for scraps of bonuses.
I just completed a Provence campaign following this vid. I didnt turn Reformed though because I prefer staying Catholic. How do you get France in 1520s? I tried but between truce shortening and League war, I only managed to form France in 1598
I missed something in my simular playtrough as your provence-SP-france reinactment of your video. You need to own sardinia😅😢 directly and not aragon (cagliari) is the only solution integrating aragon and releasing them again for the france cores on iberia mission? You cant seize from PU member i fear
Provonce is good, but the best country for this kind of strategy is really Castile, as you can use the whole Spanish missions tree while still being able to tag switch
From my expierience that is not really that good because the really important missions of the spanish Mission Tree take often until 1600 to complete and some are even locked behind forming Spain (such as the one for the GB PU)
@@thestudentYT The GB mission isn't locked up, all of the missions are available without forming Spain. I even got the Forever Golden achievement in my run. Needing to wait for the age of reformation for the tericos mission was a bit annoying because the reformation was about 20 years late. In theory, it is possible to complete the whole mission tree in 1520 once the age of reformation begins. Maybe not all the colonial missions, but completing all of them isn't super important.
Actually there is a exploit that resets your agressive expansion with burgundy inheritance so i think best way to play france is going italy after 10 years of game. Annex everything you can core it up or make papal state vassal and then make exploit reset ae. You can change country to burgundy because it will have all provinces as core expect your capital. With this way you can have all italy after 10-20 years of game start. I learned this exploit from PlayMaker.
Yeah I heard about it but imo this is pretty edgy and also not possible to get the Provencal Missions with so anyways it is worse than those permanent modifiers and PUs
When you form Sardinia is it not worth wait for expand to northen italy for fortress mission ? becouse you can than move capital to Rome and have practicaly save capital ? with fortresses lv 6 or more ? You will be protected vs Ottomans and scaled Austrians or Poland :)
I don't think it is worth the Time or the AE that this takes ... Also I you can already defeat anyone at this point because as France with those permanent Modifiers you'll outscale everyone within 20-30 years
You can also go Admin-Influence-Quality ideas and pretty easily get -95% or even -100% diplo annex cost. Which means you annex a 1k dev vassal for basically 0 diplo points😂
I usually take professionalism in every event i can, stack mill leader cost reduction so the privilege -10% and golden era for another -10% + whatever innovativeness you have at that point. There is another -10% leader cost later down the gov reforms, but not worth waiting for that.
prussia also have drill loss modifier so provence > prussia > france that way you can use musketeer reform and still have -100% drill loss modifier but it's a late game mission reward for prussia, lol
@@thestudentYT you have good discount on integration, plus it can become close to free if you form Austria, if you wish to delay Fra. also, nation colonise for you. and some mana points from missions. Or permanent claims, if you go for republic (which is free )
Of course you can do that if you want but imo Netherlands is still one of the worst fotmables to do in between other tags because their missions are not that strong (no permanent Modifiers) or they take way to much time to be completed... but that's just my humble opinion
Provence is probably one of the best singleplayer tag. But it just can't beat France. France can just stomp over Europe and own all of it by 1520. Few other nations can do that, and Provence is not of that list. So yeah France being an end-game tag now is a letdown for the french I am, but it's still hella powerful in the early game
@@thestudentYT You can complete most of the 2 Sicilies mission tree since youve already conquered most of the area that needed to be conqured, you can get more development, ship trade power, goverment reform progress and a 15% less liberty for vassals from development untill the end of the game, aswell you get alot of claims on balkans and northern africa
There are so many paths to form France, the only advantage there is to start as France instead of tagswitching into it is your starting position, if you want to be a powerhouse it is just better to tagswitch into it. France being an endgame tag, funnily enought, makes France the worst France.
France is not an endtag
@@omer.g4386 Yes it is, as of 1.35 it became an endgame tag.
@@omer.g4386 As @Scott-qp6fs said, they did change it. You can check the wiki or try to switch it yourself if you don't believe us.
@@Scott-en-tot I feel like single player iron made mode should have no end tags or be an option in the game launch settings.
@@kylekelly1167 it's an option in the game though.
A provance starting guide would be amazing!
I once started a random game with Provence and it went so well, that I actually did a world conquest.
Yep Provence is insane. Did a run recently where I started as Provence then switched to Croatia, then Austria, then sardinia piedmont, then prussia and finally byzantium
Ah, Provence, one of the more underrated tags in the game. Always good to see them in the spotlight!
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Great video! I love playing Provance. I would like to add, a lot of people miss out on the really strong move of vassalising Provance when playing other nations. The free cores on Naples mission is available even as a vassal. Very strong opener for getting into Italy.
I've got a video suggestion: you can delay taking the 100 years war mission as England, allowing you to set up all the English missions. Then you activate the 100 years war mission, keep the popup open, do the English missions and use the popup to go for Angevin ideas.
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I would love to see a Provence starting guide
Guess it's finally time i get around to playing provonce
Also love to play as Provence. Its mission tree is one of those old pearls. Maybe the best minor tree to start with in europe. Its not as stacked and op as all the new major trees but you pick up some really good perma bonuses and you re in a great position to switch into Sardinia-Piemont for even more goodies.
For the start i prefer to get the cores on Naples. That requires the aragonese king to not die too early which means maybe some Alt+F4. Cause as soon Naples is free you can attack them while they have no allies and full annex them. The result is a huge jump in power for Provence and allows you to sell the land in Lorraine to Burgundy to keep them friendly without issues. And you also save a diplo slot you d have occupied for >50 years.
But there is even more to it. Getting the neapolitan lands early on also means you can reach the Balkans/Greece quickly to secure a byzantine vassal. Most of the time Epirus is still around at that time and you can release Byz there. Allowing you to sabotage the Ottomans early on so they dont escalate too much.
Is it not worth becoming Jerusalem after completing the provincal mission tree, flipping reformed when you switch to Sardinia-Piedmont
Not really but you can do it... you would just have to go way further into Syria and Egypt and the new World which I didn't want
Tempting but I think I'll be forming Toothpaste as Savoy
is there a reason you PUd naples as opposed to getting the cores?
I played campaign as Provance to Jerusalem few weeks ago and the only problematic thing about Provance is RNG. You need some lucky to get all personal unions and I dismatled HRE to finish missions quicker with can also be tricky. Anyway Provance is a beast nation, when you know how to play it :D
Now forming Sardinia-piedmont is more important because of their +5% admin efficiency on top of their dip annex +10%. And yes, Provence has an insane mission tree with crazy modifiers
Always great content. Keep it up!
Do a stint into Croatia for the -5 years separatists and the -5% dev cost.
Please make a guide for provence expansion
A big Advantage of Provence is, you can join way easier the HRE and become Emperor + Burgandian Inheritance.
Yeah that's what I did in this Game as well
The only France game I've ever played was Provence into France
And that is also the best France Game :)
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I feel like forming Prussia and doing the Prussian missions to get 5% admin eff is the better way instead of directly forming to France.
What you can also do beforehand is form Austria to PU Bohemia
You have to go much further afield - you might’ve noticed that Sardinia-Piedmont is not only good it is close within reach of Provence. He’s going for a fairly normal but still powerful game, not a full trek across Europe for scraps of bonuses.
I just completed a Provence campaign following this vid. I didnt turn Reformed though because I prefer staying Catholic. How do you get France in 1520s? I tried but between truce shortening and League war, I only managed to form France in 1598
I guess it's just my expierience with Provence :)
I missed something in my simular playtrough as your provence-SP-france reinactment of your video. You need to own sardinia😅😢 directly and not aragon (cagliari) is the only solution integrating aragon and releasing them again for the france cores on iberia mission? You cant seize from PU member i fear
is there a way you made the setup for provence more consistent with the Personal Unions up to this point i.e did u rush any wars/missions etc
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Provonce is good, but the best country for this kind of strategy is really Castile, as you can use the whole Spanish missions tree while still being able to tag switch
From my expierience that is not really that good because the really important missions of the spanish Mission Tree take often until 1600 to complete and some are even locked behind forming Spain (such as the one for the GB PU)
@@thestudentYT The GB mission isn't locked up, all of the missions are available without forming Spain. I even got the Forever Golden achievement in my run. Needing to wait for the age of reformation for the tericos mission was a bit annoying because the reformation was about 20 years late. In theory, it is possible to complete the whole mission tree in 1520 once the age of reformation begins. Maybe not all the colonial missions, but completing all of them isn't super important.
I agree, I did this to stack permanent -100% diplo annexation cost and it was an absolute blast to play :)
Actually there is a exploit that resets your agressive expansion with burgundy inheritance so i think best way to play france is going italy after 10 years of game. Annex everything you can core it up or make papal state vassal and then make exploit reset ae. You can change country to burgundy because it will have all provinces as core expect your capital. With this way you can have all italy after 10-20 years of game start. I learned this exploit from PlayMaker.
Yeah I heard about it but imo this is pretty edgy and also not possible to get the Provencal Missions with so anyways it is worse than those permanent modifiers and PUs
Dude, you are insane. Well done
When you form Sardinia is it not worth wait for expand to northen italy for fortress mission ? becouse you can than move capital to Rome and have practicaly save capital ? with fortresses lv 6 or more ? You will be protected vs Ottomans and scaled Austrians or Poland :)
I don't think it is worth the Time or the AE that this takes ...
Also I you can already defeat anyone at this point because as France with those permanent Modifiers you'll outscale everyone within 20-30 years
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Hi, great video to show an understimated tag. Keep up the good content. What idea did u pick ?
Can i learn which grapich mods do you have? İt has very nice seem.
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You can also go Admin-Influence-Quality ideas and pretty easily get -95% or even -100% diplo annex cost. Which means you annex a 1k dev vassal for basically 0 diplo points😂
I know... I know... :)
How to get high army professionalism so quick?
I usually take professionalism in every event i can, stack mill leader cost reduction so the privilege -10% and golden era for another -10% + whatever innovativeness you have at that point. There is another -10% leader cost later down the gov reforms, but not worth waiting for that.
So, You can Do this with Great Britain instead of France and become cursed annexation machine :D
*England not GB as GB is an endtag
@@LemonCake101GB have diplo anex Cost bonus, so yes, that would be end game and very cursed.
@@ursusmursus2709 oh I see, into GB as your endtag, I misunderstood.
prussia also have drill loss modifier
so provence > prussia > france
that way you can use musketeer reform and still have -100% drill loss modifier
but it's a late game mission reward for prussia, lol
why didn’t you culture switch to piedmont alot earlier? So you don’t need to destate.
Because I didn't conquer it that early
@@thestudentYT Oh ok. I tend to focus on getting Italy when I am around it.
Whelp, I know my next run.
Bro you missed Netherlands for Pu over England, as basicaly you had all condtions fulliflied
Not worth the diplo points and the 50 years cooldown to integrate... I had already Scotland as PU
@@thestudentYT you have good discount on integration, plus it can become close to free if you form Austria, if you wish to delay Fra. also, nation colonise for you. and some mana points from missions.
Or permanent claims, if you go for republic (which is free )
Of course you can do that if you want but imo Netherlands is still one of the worst fotmables to do in between other tags because their missions are not that strong (no permanent Modifiers) or they take way to much time to be completed... but that's just my humble opinion
Can you share the save to try this France out?
I'll share this save... but not yet :)
Provence is probably one of the best singleplayer tag. But it just can't beat France. France can just stomp over Europe and own all of it by 1520. Few other nations can do that, and Provence is not of that list. So yeah France being an end-game tag now is a letdown for the french I am, but it's still hella powerful in the early game
Yes that is true but the longer you play the better Provence gets
So would you say its ProFrance? Okay okay ill show myself out.
Tbh you could form every single Italian formable and then after form France
Sure but for what?
@@thestudentYT You can complete most of the 2 Sicilies mission tree since youve already conquered most of the area that needed to be conqured, you can get more development, ship trade power, goverment reform progress and a 15% less liberty for vassals from development untill the end of the game, aswell you get alot of claims on balkans and northern africa
still my Gotland is stronger;)
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