Just a small correction, the protector of the little folk can be gained as any peasant republic not just this event. I got it multiple times while playing ditschmarchen.
OK, so to sum up. 1. Disinherit your heir to avoid Navarra. -50 Prestige. 2. Return Urgell to Catalonia to delay the Peasant's Republic event. -10 Prestige. Note: To keep Naples loyal, you may need the Burgher loyalty privilege and to Support Loyalists. 3. Get a queen consort (if it becomes necessary.) 4. Get a child heir. 5. Let your king die. Do not stab up to retain the negative stability. (Presumably the first step is accelerated because your king is a general, and the second can also be obtained by a No-CB on Byzantium or Epirus.) 6. Get the Iberian Wedding. This is possible because of a queen regency. 7. Take the mission for a Union CB on Portugal. 8. Take back Urgell in order to allow the mission to flip to a peasants' republic. 9. Flip to a peasant's republic. 10. Take the average monarch lifespan gov reform.
step 7 and 8 can be done in any order, as you still get restoration of PU cb on portugal as republic from the mission tree... but ideally you should make sure to let Portugal get exploration ideas first before PU-ing 'em, as if you PU them before they do, they will no longer go colonial, which wouldn't be desirable.
- Best CB Byz at start and also delay it until you get burgundy inheritance. - Take all mana privilege, Increase levies. Estate statutory rights when prompt (Remember to revoke this when you can). You will get all the land back from nobility when you switch to Present republic. easily 90%+ crownland afterward. - You can switch back to Monarchy (or Theocracy) later - You won't get spanish mission if you form with Aragonese as your main culture. Switch your main culture and/or form something else first.
@@MIsaac120 is it still possible to get castillian mission tree as aragon by culture swapping since 1.35 ? The wiki explicitely say that a nation who is aragon or who has been aragon in the past will get the aragonese spanish mission tree
I wonder how well you could combine this strat with the one where you puppet Byzantium while they are at war with the Ottomans. Thus letting you call all your allies against them in a "defensive" war and take over the balkans really easily.
You can, i did it. But it is extremely tricky, due to you having to win the war against portugal and castille conventionally, to get to Byzantium early enough. ottos usually invade byzantium about 3 years from game start, at the latest. I had something like 20 over force limit to chain all 3 wars. So the queen consort you see the Student use, is a bit too late unfortunately.
@@MrThisissparta999Can't you just disinherit your heir and release that provience in Catalonia day one? Then move onto the Byz strat, and back to the one in the video after? I don't really see why you'd have to be at war with Castile.
I did this, and Ottomans was allied to karaman who was attacked by mamluks so I got a defensive war on Mamluks and Ottomans seperately. Mamluks levant coast and most of ottoman coast pre 1500, but obviously this is pretty uncommon
some vids are not rly what i would call normal playtrough that id go for.... but most of the time im reaaaaally looking forward what you cooked up this time for a flavor nation and hope for some nice new thoughts on how to approach those mission trees. love ur content mate
I love these sorts of creative videos. But when they are this long about a small segment of a large game I think a primer intro on what the objective is would be good to keep my addled brain on rails.
I love having PU’s as a republic. I also love sortition, even if its not the optimal combination in typical circumstances - you want frequent new elections as a republic with PU’s to increase the odds of inheritance. Of course, you get to integrate Castile for free.
hey if you dont complete the siege of the fort you can extend the war with catalonia way longer before getting desire for peace, so if you stick just 1 regiment in the province you will end up getting way less war exhaustion in the long run
@@thestudentYT its good to know bc i tried this strat and got hit with a 10 year regency council so my war with catalonia went on for 20 years bc i forgot to savescum xd at least i didnt get call for peace
Amazing idea but: can you still form Spain normally and inherit Castile or you have to annex them? Also Neopolitan succession if you disinherit the starting heir happens or not? Thanks
Can someone post timelines when I am supposed to do these things? Should I disinherit right out the gate? What about granting that province? Can I still no cb Byz?
The reason why no one does timelines for guides is because you cannot tell when you should do what... you'll just have to do it when the situation let's you do it :) And imo just leave Byz alone anf just keep the Adm Mana and Manpower and Time for things that help you more with scaling your country instead of trying to prevent the Ottomans from scaling
I still find Aragon to be THE BEST player friendly country, u do tend to get Castile as the partner state, but I have purposefully not gone down that road and still had fun! I’ll either go dominate the med or become a colonial empire (I tend to choose one or the other as a challenge), I have almost 1k hours but haven’t played in awhile…I think I’ll go back into it
No it doesn't... because what else explaination to you have that Burgundies and Aragons Rulers die so quickly on Average while the French or the Castilian Rulers don't even though they have same Age?
I don't think so because the AI is super slow in it anyways and you would have to sit on a worse ruler for that time but if you want to go for a colonial Game and for European conquest then it might be worth it (just keep in mind that you'll have to delay the Peasants event as well then)
@@thestudentYTthey take explore anyway starting a few patches ago. I found that the hard way when for once I didn't want Portugal/Castile to get exploration ideas
@@thestudentYTI think at least Portugal is nowadays hardcoded to take Exploration even if a subject. Castile might not but they have a Colonist in their ideas and will end up colonizing anyway.
@@thestudentYTI wouldn't say certain, but I've been hearing from a lot of reliable people that they take explo now. I'll try this build you posted and get back to you
I tried your strat and was having trouble getting enough range to take english land during the portugal war. Just wondering how you did it? Thanks and love the content
Nah. Go for the funny universe where you own all of western Europe and dont colonize so the new world is colonized by Germans, Scandinavians, and Poles.
I hate Colonial Nations... they take 50% of your Trade and you cannot even control them at all if they are not yours directly but only your subjects subject... so in my understanding of the Game this was perfectly efficient ;)
I proposed this (very similar) strategy of delaying peasant republic at the very beginning of Domination on PDX forum, wierd to see it on YT so late. But now you take it to the extreme level :D
Jokes on you, I just did this at the start of the month. 3 December. Didn't know about the cataolonia though. Could even try to get burgundian inheritance. Always have to put your video on 1.5 speed though, you speak so slow. Nice video, keep up the work!
I think people also play Prussia wrong. The correct way to play as Prussia is start as Gotland for 5% discipline and 10% morale of armies and navy, form to The Hansa for 5% discipline, form Kong for 10% morale of armies and navy and 1 extra missionary and 15% warscore against other religions, flip to sunni and form Mali to get 10% more armies morale, form Morrocos to 2.5 discipline and 10% heavy ship CA, form Sardinia Piedmont for the 5% admin efficiency and 2% missionary strenght, switch to teocracy, flip to protestant form Prussia and enjoy 155% discipline, and almost 15 morale of armies. Your army will be so powerfull and you will take so much land in 1 war that its insane.
@@thestudentYT Ahahha, yes, yes! The hardest parts are converting 100 provinces to Catholicism in Africa to the Kongo mission, then flipping to sunny to form Mali and flip again to protestant to form Prussia. I doubt it can be achievable before 1600's. But is a great setup to WW One Faith with Prussia without forming Germany and its very funny to stack modifiers. xD
@thestudentYT actually super valid, it spreads ur precious early resources out too much, and I fund by the time I crawl to that area when I play aragon, I've already become such a beast that the ottomans become irrelevant.
Re: scripted rulers, Nurhaci is equally good if not better. You would have to speedrun forming Manchu and the missions to get him extremely early in 10 years, but in a few decades you're bound to get him anyway
@@thestudentYT no, but he gets Legendary Conqueror, high stats, and the mission rewards gives him 20% siege ability until he dies. Very very powerful to just blob out of control
Sadly he's not guaranteed 6/6/6, apparently he just gets +2/+3/+4 so assuming average 3/3/3 he'd look more like a 5/6/6 I guess. Event probably can be birded though, to ensure 6/6/6 stats. Legendary conqueror is essentially 2.5 unrest reduction (applies in already-conquered lands before he became leader too)+ small extra mil buff you don't really need, so can be seen as a juiced up version of the "protector of the little folk" trait He doesn't have "careful", but that's a good thing, AE reduction is borderline useless if playing Manchu in the region and then later unifying China, whereas it's very powerful in Europe. Now... as for the 25% Average Monarch Lifespan, if you form Qing, you COULD pick one of the meritocracy options that gives monarch lifespan increase, if you really wanted to. If you CHOOSE to make him a general, he will ofc last less. Note that you DON'T HAVE to make him a general, and you get the 20% siege ability and +1 combat dice roll for attacker REGARDLESS of whether he's leading the armies or not, it's a "ruler modifier", so you can see it as a temporary country buff, and it becomes available after you complete the seven grievances mission.
It might be if you have a reasonable plan on what to use that land in the English Channel for... otherwise would an earlier Peasants Republic be better for scaling
Skanderbeg of albania, mehmed or ottomans, and polish ruler (if poland refuses lithuania PU). My main problem with republics is that they greatly reduces your diplomatic potential if youre playing as a Christian tag. If youre playing as non Christian, then yeah republics are really good.
@@thestudentYT Sort of but the exact strat I use is setting Arta as a province of critical interest so Naples frabricates a claim then full anex Epirus without coring either province, then build spy network on byzantium and make a claim on Athens that way you can declare for athens and have enough war score to vassalize byzantium and take athens in the same war. Then give the 2 Epirus provinces to Byzantium and athens after the war. You can also wait for otto to dec byzantium for defensive war but i usually recoup the declare on otto after.
@@markpayne5892 Okay but how relyable does Naples actually make that claim and how long does it take? And what do you do if the Ottomans are faster with conquering Byzantium? And what do you do if Alfonso dies early and Naples gets insane liberty desire? Don't get me wrong: That is a reasonable tactic and I tried it myself already as well (but Naples simply didn't do any claims in that game) but I guess that the No cb tactic actually only exists to have a fully controlled Path to beat the Ottomans with minimal cost of ressources which "Time" might be the most important Ressource in that idea and relyability would be the 2nd important Ressource... And both of these Ressources are not there anymore with your tactic (at least not as much) But tbh imo it might just be the best strategy to not care about byz at all in the Beginning and instead conquer Granada, Tunis, get Castile PU asap, take Portugal, maybe weakening France first time already and so on (basically focus on internal and western stuff first) so that you simply outscale the Ottomans and following your Missions more efficiently
@@thestudentYT Naples will make the claim as fast as you could make the claim, (you can build a spy network with another non rival country to get the around about time I usually build on Tlemcen) then sit on diplo map mode to see it pop up as long as it is the only claim Naples can make he will do it. This strat work almost every time for me but sometimes Otto declare before you but then release byzantium from arta after otto full anex. Naples the first thing I do is start improving relations from first month. It is usually enough with support loyalist you dont get to pay off debt much as they are in Italy. You dont really need Naples to beat Epirus or Byzantium just build a bunch of galleys like 10 more they are cheap. After Naples makes the claim on Arta I get them to make the claim on Ragusa so you can reset Truce with Otto easy.
You could wait but it is a lot of time so a lot of risk that something goes wrong (for example if Castile gets Isabella you'll have to wait even longer)
@@thestudentYT makes sense, but talking efficiency would this not make a wc easier if you already have a junior partner colonising the new world for you while youre focusing on europe/asia?
@@toxic6444 Every WC that I did (except my first one) was a One Tag WC so no for that it is not really more efficient but generelly it is surely nice to have a passive growth of colonial Nations so feel free to just go for that if you want to
@@thestudentYT you declared before the event. you cant declare after the event, even if you have clicked the mission before. you will lose the cb and not even get the cores
@@thestudentYT 7:29 you show the cb. 7:43 you are at war with Portugal already and the even triggers. I just tried it in my own game you lose the cb if you are not at war with Portugal edit: ok at 11:53 you show the cb again, but I'm telling you, you lose it if you are not at war, try it out if you still have a save.
But why would that make a difference for the CB if I am at war or not? You loose the cb while at War if you claim the Throne and they get an heir so why would I not loose the cb while I am at war in this situation? Are you sure that you didn't miss something on your game?
Wanted to ask as someone better then me at the game does MTTH events go by day or month or year? Like is there a pulse that rolls for the event daily monthly yearly? And does MTTH format matter?
There are Pulse events, Triggered Events, and MTTH events. The first set, Pulse events, trigger once a year (or every two years, etc, depending) and a random event is chosen from the set when the pulse day happens for the nation & year. Triggered Events happen when you complete a mission, or decision, or finish a siege monument etc. Some thing happens, and an event is triggered. Some events trigger after a set delay. MTTH events are basically delayed trigger events with a random delay. MTTH is always written in month format (as far as I've seen), and it checks more frequently than monthly, but not daily. While the conditions are met (for example, you have 102% Overextension) the events have a chance to roll.
Try your "guide" Alfonso die in 1447, Want to recharge but got a 5/4/4 ruler so I guess I won't be as efficient as you to trigger the Iberia wedding but at least I won't struggle in mana point.
A little cheesy, but I think I'll have to try this out before they (probably) patch it. I missed the boat with the old way, so after the holidays I'm going peasant!
I'd say the only bit of cheese is releasing Catalonia to delay the Peasant Republic event, with a bit of luck you could probably get the same result without having done that.
question- if you put castille and portugal under a union before they take their first ideas, will they still take exploration expansion? Ive heard before if they get vassalized before taking any of these ideas they wont take them anymore merry christmas
No. The only requirement in-game is that the junior partner be a Christian monarchy, Senior partner can be anything. This situation exists in the real world today, with the President of France being one of the Co-Princes of Andorra. And in-game times, with William of Orange being Stadtholder in the Dutch Republic and also King of England/Scotland/Ireland.
95% my ass. AI Castille declares war against Granada, blocking Iberian Wedding because of the not a war leader rule. Granada is allied to Morocco and Tunis. Their fleets first defeat Castille's fleet. Castille calls Portugal into war who wins the naval war. Then Castille gets stuck sieging 1 fortress at a time for like 900 days each and the war takes on for like 10+ years without AI Castille peacing out. Meanwhile my heir gets 15+ years old, ruining the different genders rule for Iberian Wedding. YIKES And in another run Alfons lived to see his new heir getting to 15+ years old.
There are actually two decisions related to LOTR for Aragon. If you "Defeat Saruhan" in Anatolia you get a little bit of prestige, and if you capture Gonder in Ethiopia you can "Become King of Gonder" for some tiny buffs to the tile 😆
Yeah sure you could wait for that but I thought that I would rather have a very early 6/6/6 ruler and S-Tier Mana Generation than waiting for the RNG of Burgundy (I mean sometimes it takes until 1480s/90s for Charles to die)
This strat while being great has big downsides and thats both Portugal and Castille wont colonize for you and you wont be able to get the burgundian inheritance. On a monarchy Aragon game while waiting for Castille and Portugal to reach Admin 5 i focus on cutting down the Ottomans early by feeding a Byz vassal. And i feed Burgundy french land to make them as chonky as possible before i inherit them. When i got the other iberians colonizing for me as subjects i just eat up Italy, the rest of France and northern Africa. Putting me into a position for an early Rome. I know this title shouldnt get taken too serious. But i think monarchy Aragon is still superior. The republic is just better on short term with that first ruler. He will still die and then you re stuck with average 522 rulers.
You can just wait longer with the peasants event and then just wait for the explorations Ideas and the Burgundian Inheritance as well if you wanted to so... that's not a problem at all XD
@dentYT No you do lose it. I did everything as you showed here. PUd Castile clicked the mission, got my PU CB on Portugal, reconquered Urgell, swapped to republic, and after couple of month when I was about to declare on Portugal I could only do it using rando Castile claims. I use PDX Unlimiter tool so to check if I didn't fuck up somehow I went back to save just before annexing Catalonia and I had PU CB then. I even waited for Sindica event and before clicking it I double checked that I can indeed DoW Portugal with PU CB, after clicking on event and swapping to republic I checked again the very next day and PU CB on Portugal was gone. Edit: If you want I can send you that save. Its 1455, Castile is in PU, Urgell is annexed and being cored but Sindica event has not fired yet.
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Just a small correction, the protector of the little folk can be gained as any peasant republic not just this event. I got it multiple times while playing ditschmarchen.
Oh okay I didn't know that! But at least this one is scripted :)
this christmas make sure to overthrow your local nobility
If you still have a local nobility in 2023 then yes you should definetly try to finally also get rid of them ;)
@@thestudentYT i knew about this combo unlike most of your crazy strats, anyway, nice job :)
@@thestudentYT We have local nobility in Spain, in fact I am part of it
@@DonPedroman Oh I am sorry... I didn't mean it... at least not that drastically of course XD
@@thestudentYT The even funnier part is that my family comes from the old Kingdom of Aragon, from northern Catalonia
OK, so to sum up.
1. Disinherit your heir to avoid Navarra. -50 Prestige.
2. Return Urgell to Catalonia to delay the Peasant's Republic event. -10 Prestige.
Note: To keep Naples loyal, you may need the Burgher loyalty privilege and to Support Loyalists.
3. Get a queen consort (if it becomes necessary.)
4. Get a child heir.
5. Let your king die. Do not stab up to retain the negative stability. (Presumably the first step is accelerated because your king is a general, and the second can also be obtained by a No-CB on Byzantium or Epirus.)
6. Get the Iberian Wedding. This is possible because of a queen regency.
7. Take the mission for a Union CB on Portugal.
8. Take back Urgell in order to allow the mission to flip to a peasants' republic.
9. Flip to a peasant's republic.
10. Take the average monarch lifespan gov reform.
step 7 and 8 can be done in any order, as you still get restoration of PU cb on portugal as republic from the mission tree... but ideally you should make sure to let Portugal get exploration ideas first before PU-ing 'em, as if you PU them before they do, they will no longer go colonial, which wouldn't be desirable.
I wonder how it would be possible to fit a pu with burgundy in all of this
@@filipp0tonelliI did this I had Byzantium, burgundy, Castile, Naples and Portugal as my vassals. I tanked my economy however and the save was a dud
- Best CB Byz at start and also delay it until you get burgundy inheritance.
- Take all mana privilege, Increase levies. Estate statutory rights when prompt (Remember to revoke this when you can). You will get all the land back from nobility when you switch to Present republic. easily 90%+ crownland afterward.
- You can switch back to Monarchy (or Theocracy) later
- You won't get spanish mission if you form with Aragonese as your main culture. Switch your main culture and/or form something else first.
@@MIsaac120 is it still possible to get castillian mission tree as aragon by culture swapping since 1.35 ? The wiki explicitely say that a nation who is aragon or who has been aragon in the past will get the aragonese spanish mission tree
I wonder how well you could combine this strat with the one where you puppet Byzantium while they are at war with the Ottomans. Thus letting you call all your allies against them in a "defensive" war and take over the balkans really easily.
And Mausoleum of Halicarnassus to stack ruler lifespan lol
@@Xuebeioh boiii, oh boiii. Add curt ideas also and have the 140y 6/6/6guy
You can, i did it. But it is extremely tricky, due to you having to win the war against portugal and castille conventionally, to get to Byzantium early enough. ottos usually invade byzantium about 3 years from game start, at the latest. I had something like 20 over force limit to chain all 3 wars. So the queen consort you see the Student use, is a bit too late unfortunately.
@@MrThisissparta999Can't you just disinherit your heir and release that provience in Catalonia day one? Then move onto the Byz strat, and back to the one in the video after? I don't really see why you'd have to be at war with Castile.
I did this, and Ottomans was allied to karaman who was attacked by mamluks so I got a defensive war on Mamluks and Ottomans seperately.
Mamluks levant coast and most of ottoman coast pre 1500, but obviously this is pretty uncommon
some vids are not rly what i would call normal playtrough that id go for....
but most of the time im reaaaaally looking forward what you cooked up this time for a flavor nation and hope for some nice new thoughts on how to approach those mission trees. love ur content mate
i've played exactly this way, integrated Catalonia bit later, just to take burgundian inheritance and then got The Reapers achievement.
Court and plutocratic stack nicely for reform progress growth. I am going to try that out when I do this run ...!
Waiting for portugal to take exploration ideas is wise
I love these sorts of creative videos. But when they are this long about a small segment of a large game I think a primer intro on what the objective is would be good to keep my addled brain on rails.
This is a very strong way to play. Aragon is one of my all-time favorites as well. Thanks for the video!
Aragon was my first WC start - I did not play THIS efficiently but even without all these amazing tricks it wasn't too hard
This is the min/maxing in video games I live for
I love having PU’s as a republic. I also love sortition, even if its not the optimal combination in typical circumstances - you want frequent new elections as a republic with PU’s to increase the odds of inheritance. Of course, you get to integrate Castile for free.
you can easily switch between sortition and frequent elections since republics generate so much reform progress
you can also go burgundian pu if you pray to rngesus hard enough
I wish i knew this when i did my aragon achievement run
quite exactly what i do on Aragon like every time
hey if you dont complete the siege of the fort you can extend the war with catalonia way longer before getting desire for peace, so if you stick just 1 regiment in the province you will end up getting way less war exhaustion in the long run
Ok but if I remember correctly then I actually peaced them out 3 months after I sieged them so I think I didn't get a call for peace
@@thestudentYT its good to know bc i tried this strat and got hit with a 10 year regency council so my war with catalonia went on for 20 years bc i forgot to savescum xd at least i didnt get call for peace
Not getting the same 90% odds on an heir, keep having to alt+F4 when Alfonso dies
Amazing idea but: can you still form Spain normally and inherit Castile or you have to annex them?
Also Neopolitan succession if you disinherit the starting heir happens or not? Thanks
Yes actually it's easier because you just need 90 Rep. Tradition and not 100 Legitimacy
And yes Naples event is tied to Alfonsos death
Beautiful graphics. What map graphics and event graphics mod do you play with?
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Can someone post timelines when I am supposed to do these things? Should I disinherit right out the gate? What about granting that province? Can I still no cb Byz?
The reason why no one does timelines for guides is because you cannot tell when you should do what... you'll just have to do it when the situation let's you do it :)
And imo just leave Byz alone anf just keep the Adm Mana and Manpower and Time for things that help you more with scaling your country instead of trying to prevent the Ottomans from scaling
Thank you! @@thestudentYT
Any way to guarantee Trastámara child heir before Alfonso dies?
I still find Aragon to be THE BEST player friendly country, u do tend to get Castile as the partner state, but I have purposefully not gone down that road and still had fun! I’ll either go dominate the med or become a colonial empire (I tend to choose one or the other as a challenge), I have almost 1k hours but haven’t played in awhile…I think I’ll go back into it
Nah bro. Portugal is easier, Poland is easier, Muscovy is easier...
Great video man. I tried it, get the Iberian wedding 2 years before you, get Urgell back, but the sindicat event never poped, something i did wrong ?
Mtth of 60 months
Personnaly the bonuses to 'leader lifespan' let my rulers die at age 30 or so...
The only reliable modifier to help regarding that is the birding one.
I played a lot with Sortition and so I can say this is actually working as you can also see on Venice AI all the time
Well, if you make your ruler into a general, then general death rolls override ruler ones.
No it doesn't... because what else explaination to you have that Burgundies and Aragons Rulers die so quickly on Average while the French or the Castilian Rulers don't even though they have same Age?
Is it worth delaying the Iberian wedding until Spain and Portugal take exploration ideas before going down this route?
I don't think so because the AI is super slow in it anyways and you would have to sit on a worse ruler for that time but if you want to go for a colonial Game and for European conquest then it might be worth it (just keep in mind that you'll have to delay the Peasants event as well then)
@@thestudentYTthey take explore anyway starting a few patches ago. I found that the hard way when for once I didn't want Portugal/Castile to get exploration ideas
Are you sure about that? As far as I know the AI gets a -1000 Modifier for taking Explo if they are a subject...
@@thestudentYTI think at least Portugal is nowadays hardcoded to take Exploration even if a subject. Castile might not but they have a Colonist in their ideas and will end up colonizing anyway.
@@thestudentYTI wouldn't say certain, but I've been hearing from a lot of reliable people that they take explo now. I'll try this build you posted and get back to you
I tried your strat and was having trouble getting enough range to take english land during the portugal war. Just wondering how you did it? Thanks and love the content
I took Gibraltar
@@thestudentYT oh right, thanks!
Marry Christmas!
Isn’t there an issue with a very early PUs on Castile and Portugal that they don’t take explo + expansion ideas? That’s a pretty big loss imo.
I I mean you can delay that Peasants event forever so just wait for it then I guess
Nah. Go for the funny universe where you own all of western Europe and dont colonize so the new world is colonized by Germans, Scandinavians, and Poles.
Bro is cooking in eu4
I dont play aragon inefficiently. I just dont play aragon
says others are playing inefficient.. *proceeds to take portugal restoration cb before portugal takes exploration/expansion*
I hate Colonial Nations... they take 50% of your Trade and you cannot even control them at all if they are not yours directly but only your subjects subject... so in my understanding of the Game this was perfectly efficient ;)
I proposed this (very similar) strategy of delaying peasant republic at the very beginning of Domination on PDX forum, wierd to see it on YT so late. But now you take it to the extreme level :D
Wait for what I show you tomorrow with the same Campaign :)
@@thestudentYT In my first game after Domination I went for PUs and HRE emperorship before reanexxing Catalonia
wouldn't the PU dissolve after you elect a new monarch?
Only if the opinion was negative
Jokes on you, I just did this at the start of the month. 3 December. Didn't know about the cataolonia though. Could even try to get burgundian inheritance. Always have to put your video on 1.5 speed though, you speak so slow. Nice video, keep up the work!
I mean it's a lot of Information so better too slow than too fast
@@thestudentYT Yes for newer player definitely a good thing, I think. Was just more of a meme from me.
Maybe someone already mentioned but don't the pu s missing out of the Exploration ideas then? 😅
AI colonizing is way worse anyways
I have tried this four times in a row, the king dies heirless four times out of four within a year or two
Did you let him command an Army?
@@thestudentYT the first time. I just got very bad rng. I'm trying again shortly
3 more tries three more heirless deaths by 1447
@@jasonmain6398 You must be the unluckiest person alive then xd
But again: Did you make him lead your army or not?
@@thestudentYT only the first game
I think people also play Prussia wrong.
The correct way to play as Prussia is start as Gotland for 5% discipline and 10% morale of armies and navy, form to The Hansa for 5% discipline, form Kong for 10% morale of armies and navy and 1 extra missionary and 15% warscore against other religions, flip to sunni and form Mali to get 10% more armies morale, form Morrocos to 2.5 discipline and 10% heavy ship CA, form Sardinia Piedmont for the 5% admin efficiency and 2% missionary strenght, switch to teocracy, flip to protestant form Prussia and enjoy 155% discipline, and almost 15 morale of armies.
Your army will be so powerfull and you will take so much land in 1 war that its insane.
But this is a little more than just a 1444 opening strategy right?
@@thestudentYT Ahahha, yes, yes! The hardest parts are converting 100 provinces to Catholicism in Africa to the Kongo mission, then flipping to sunny to form Mali and flip again to protestant to form Prussia. I doubt it can be achievable before 1600's.
But is a great setup to WW One Faith with Prussia without forming Germany and its very funny to stack modifiers. xD
That is really cool, never would have discovered it on my own.
"..in the early game, until 1600, republics are by far the strongest government form in the ENTIRE game"
Hordes?
Yeah I ment was from Monarchy, Republic and Theocrocy XD
@@thestudentYT Fair, hordes are a different breed
Why didnt you day one nocb byzantium?
Because this is totally overrated and imo you havee more important things to conquer and spend your expensive early game Time on as Aragon
@thestudentYT actually super valid, it spreads ur precious early resources out too much, and I fund by the time I crawl to that area when I play aragon, I've already become such a beast that the ottomans become irrelevant.
Re: scripted rulers, Nurhaci is equally good if not better. You would have to speedrun forming Manchu and the missions to get him extremely early in 10 years, but in a few decades you're bound to get him anyway
And has he +25% Average Monarch Lifespan?
@@thestudentYT no, but he gets Legendary Conqueror, high stats, and the mission rewards gives him 20% siege ability until he dies. Very very powerful to just blob out of control
Yeah guess it's even then :)
@@masakado until he dies in 2 months bc hes a general lmao
Sadly he's not guaranteed 6/6/6, apparently he just gets +2/+3/+4 so assuming average 3/3/3 he'd look more like a 5/6/6 I guess.
Event probably can be birded though, to ensure 6/6/6 stats.
Legendary conqueror is essentially 2.5 unrest reduction (applies in already-conquered lands before he became leader too)+ small extra mil buff you don't really need, so can be seen as a juiced up version of the "protector of the little folk" trait
He doesn't have "careful", but that's a good thing, AE reduction is borderline useless if playing Manchu in the region and then later unifying China, whereas it's very powerful in Europe.
Now... as for the 25% Average Monarch Lifespan, if you form Qing, you COULD pick one of the meritocracy options that gives monarch lifespan increase, if you really wanted to.
If you CHOOSE to make him a general, he will ofc last less. Note that you DON'T HAVE to make him a general, and you get the 20% siege ability and +1 combat dice roll for attacker REGARDLESS of whether he's leading the armies or not, it's a "ruler modifier", so you can see it as a temporary country buff, and it becomes available after you complete the seven grievances mission.
Do you think trying to get the Burdungian Inheritance is enough reason to delay the Peasant Republic?
It might be if you have a reasonable plan on what to use that land in the English Channel for... otherwise would an earlier Peasants Republic be better for scaling
@@thestudentYTLike rapid reform progress? 🙃
For example:)
anyone else getting minus 3 stab instead of the 3x50 mana for the 3rd choice?? im curious
I said that in the video... you need to have -1 Stability to get the other option with mana loss
Will Castile and Portugal still go colonial if you PU them this early?
Not if they were still on Adm tech 4
Marie died in March of 1445 :(
Did they patch this? I believe I did everything correctly but when I became a republic, I lost the claim on portugal.
Yeah they patched that but you can still always declare the war before you get the event so then all should be fine
Skanderbeg of albania, mehmed or ottomans, and polish ruler (if poland refuses lithuania PU).
My main problem with republics is that they greatly reduces your diplomatic potential if youre playing as a Christian tag. If youre playing as non Christian, then yeah republics are really good.
Quick reminder: the alternative way of giving catalonia to a subject (navara or catalonia) does not work anymore.
That's why I didn't do it that way XD
Just wanted to add, not correct you
coukd u pls tell me the name of the workshop pack which makes events colourful the images
The Great Exhibition
Hey man I came up with a way to make Byzantium a vassal without no-cb if you are interested
Yes...
Is it about letting them getting full annexed and then release them from the Epirus Province?
@@thestudentYT Sort of but the exact strat I use is setting Arta as a province of critical interest so Naples frabricates a claim then full anex Epirus without coring either province, then build spy network on byzantium and make a claim on Athens that way you can declare for athens and have enough war score to vassalize byzantium and take athens in the same war. Then give the 2 Epirus provinces to Byzantium and athens after the war. You can also wait for otto to dec byzantium for defensive war but i usually recoup the declare on otto after.
@@markpayne5892 Okay but how relyable does Naples actually make that claim and how long does it take? And what do you do if the Ottomans are faster with conquering Byzantium? And what do you do if Alfonso dies early and Naples gets insane liberty desire?
Don't get me wrong: That is a reasonable tactic and I tried it myself already as well (but Naples simply didn't do any claims in that game) but I guess that the No cb tactic actually only exists to have a fully controlled Path to beat the Ottomans with minimal cost of ressources which "Time" might be the most important Ressource in that idea and relyability would be the 2nd important Ressource...
And both of these Ressources are not there anymore with your tactic (at least not as much)
But tbh imo it might just be the best strategy to not care about byz at all in the Beginning and instead conquer Granada, Tunis, get Castile PU asap, take Portugal, maybe weakening France first time already and so on (basically focus on internal and western stuff first) so that you simply outscale the Ottomans and following your Missions more efficiently
@@thestudentYT Naples will make the claim as fast as you could make the claim, (you can build a spy network with another non rival country to get the around about time I usually build on Tlemcen) then sit on diplo map mode to see it pop up as long as it is the only claim Naples can make he will do it. This strat work almost every time for me but sometimes Otto declare before you but then release byzantium from arta after otto full anex. Naples the first thing I do is start improving relations from first month. It is usually enough with support loyalist you dont get to pay off debt much as they are in Italy. You dont really need Naples to beat Epirus or Byzantium just build a bunch of galleys like 10 more they are cheap. After Naples makes the claim on Arta I get them to make the claim on Ragusa so you can reset Truce with Otto easy.
@@thestudentYT just made you a screenshot if you want it first try
isnt it better to get the pu after castille gets explo ideas?
You could wait but it is a lot of time so a lot of risk that something goes wrong (for example if Castile gets Isabella you'll have to wait even longer)
@@thestudentYT makes sense, but talking efficiency would this not make a wc easier if you already have a junior partner colonising the new world for you while youre focusing on europe/asia?
@@toxic6444 Every WC that I did (except my first one) was a One Tag WC so no for that it is not really more efficient but generelly it is surely nice to have a passive growth of colonial Nations so feel free to just go for that if you want to
Does Castile and Portugal colonize this way?
Not if you do it this fast
@@thestudentYT A very good strategy nonetheless.
you lose the unification cb against Portugal upon switching to a republic
I didn't as you saw
@@thestudentYT you declared before the event. you cant declare after the event, even if you have clicked the mission before. you will lose the cb and not even get the cores
I showed in the video my available CBs and it was shown there so it was actually still there
@@thestudentYT 7:29 you show the cb. 7:43 you are at war with Portugal already and the even triggers. I just tried it in my own game you lose the cb if you are not at war with Portugal
edit: ok at 11:53 you show the cb again, but I'm telling you, you lose it if you are not at war, try it out if you still have a save.
But why would that make a difference for the CB if I am at war or not? You loose the cb while at War if you claim the Throne and they get an heir so why would I not loose the cb while I am at war in this situation? Are you sure that you didn't miss something on your game?
Wanted to ask as someone better then me at the game does MTTH events go by day or month or year?
Like is there a pulse that rolls for the event daily monthly yearly? And does MTTH format matter?
As far as I know it checks the potential chance of happening every day
There are Pulse events, Triggered Events, and MTTH events. The first set, Pulse events, trigger once a year (or every two years, etc, depending) and a random event is chosen from the set when the pulse day happens for the nation & year.
Triggered Events happen when you complete a mission, or decision, or finish a siege monument etc. Some thing happens, and an event is triggered. Some events trigger after a set delay.
MTTH events are basically delayed trigger events with a random delay. MTTH is always written in month format (as far as I've seen), and it checks more frequently than monthly, but not daily. While the conditions are met (for example, you have 102% Overextension) the events have a chance to roll.
@@LibertyMonk Yeh I know how MTTH events happen just didn’t know how often it rolled.
I’ve seen it formatted as years tho iirc
Try your "guide" Alfonso die in 1447, Want to recharge but got a 5/4/4 ruler so I guess I won't be as efficient as you to trigger the Iberia wedding but at least I won't struggle in mana point.
Okay but if ruler dies What will happen to pu
Same as always: If you have positive Relations you keep them, if you have negative relations you loose them
do you get restoration cb after losing them ?@@thestudentYT
@@bomontius yes but why would you loose them?
@@thestudentYT maybe your ruler dies before making him positive that’s why I’ve asked 😄
@@bomontius Yeah I mean that would be quite unlucky though
What's a name of map mode ???!
Video description
did WoC patch this?
No it still works
A little cheesy, but I think I'll have to try this out before they (probably) patch it. I missed the boat with the old way, so after the holidays I'm going peasant!
I'd say the only bit of cheese is releasing Catalonia to delay the Peasant Republic event, with a bit of luck you could probably get the same result without having done that.
question- if you put castille and portugal under a union before they take their first ideas, will they still take exploration expansion? Ive heard before if they get vassalized before taking any of these ideas they wont take them anymore
merry christmas
Yeah if they are subjects then they cannot take exploration ideas
I think the rule is "non-tributary subjects", but I can't be sure.
Very nice.
Forming Jerusalem -> Spain -> Sardinia-Piedmont -> Italy -> Roman Empire is better than that.
Epic
Should lose all juniot partners once you flip republic
would break dutch republic, also it would be really lame
No. The only requirement in-game is that the junior partner be a Christian monarchy, Senior partner can be anything.
This situation exists in the real world today, with the President of France being one of the Co-Princes of Andorra. And in-game times, with William of Orange being Stadtholder in the Dutch Republic and also King of England/Scotland/Ireland.
95% my ass.
AI Castille declares war against Granada, blocking Iberian Wedding because of the not a war leader rule.
Granada is allied to Morocco and Tunis. Their fleets first defeat Castille's fleet.
Castille calls Portugal into war who wins the naval war.
Then Castille gets stuck sieging 1 fortress at a time for like 900 days each and the war takes on for like 10+ years without AI Castille peacing out.
Meanwhile my heir gets 15+ years old, ruining the different genders rule for Iberian Wedding.
YIKES
And in another run Alfons lived to see his new heir getting to 15+ years old.
You might be the unluckiest EU4 Player alive then XD
@@thestudentYT I usually roll good rulers at least.
I have a friend who doubts the game even has higher than 2/2/2 characters.
This happened to me, I'm the most unluckiest EU4 player alive.
That is a totally broken opening for Aragon,
Aragon? Where is lord of the rings? :D
Joking
There are actually two decisions related to LOTR for Aragon. If you "Defeat Saruhan" in Anatolia you get a little bit of prestige, and if you capture Gonder in Ethiopia you can "Become King of Gonder" for some tiny buffs to the tile 😆
Bro, why rush there is free Burg realestate. also dont forget to exploit dev, when give away province
Yeah sure you could wait for that but I thought that I would rather have a very early 6/6/6 ruler and S-Tier Mana Generation than waiting for the RNG of Burgundy (I mean sometimes it takes until 1480s/90s for Charles to die)
This strat while being great has big downsides and thats both Portugal and Castille wont colonize for you and you wont be able to get the burgundian inheritance.
On a monarchy Aragon game while waiting for Castille and Portugal to reach Admin 5 i focus on cutting down the Ottomans early by feeding a Byz vassal. And i feed Burgundy french land to make them as chonky as possible before i inherit them. When i got the other iberians colonizing for me as subjects i just eat up Italy, the rest of France and northern Africa. Putting me into a position for an early Rome.
I know this title shouldnt get taken too serious. But i think monarchy Aragon is still superior. The republic is just better on short term with that first ruler. He will still die and then you re stuck with average 522 rulers.
You can just wait longer with the peasants event and then just wait for the explorations Ideas and the Burgundian Inheritance as well if you wanted to so... that's not a problem at all XD
You lose your PU on Portugal when you become republic. Im guessing you could PU Portgual only because you were already at PU war when event fired.
No you don't loose the PU
@dentYT No you do lose it. I did everything as you showed here. PUd Castile clicked the mission, got my PU CB on Portugal, reconquered Urgell, swapped to republic, and after couple of month when I was about to declare on Portugal I could only do it using rando Castile claims.
I use PDX Unlimiter tool so to check if I didn't fuck up somehow I went back to save just before annexing Catalonia and I had PU CB then. I even waited for Sindica event and before clicking it I double checked that I can indeed DoW Portugal with PU CB, after clicking on event and swapping to republic I checked again the very next day and PU CB on Portugal was gone.
Edit: If you want I can send you that save. Its 1455, Castile is in PU, Urgell is annexed and being cored but Sindica event has not fired yet.
@@janismednis447 So you mean you loose the PU CB and not the PU?
@@thestudentYT Yes CB not PU. I see wasn't exactly clear about that in my first post. Sorry.
@@janismednis447 Then you are right
castile starting ruler it's better !
Sure 1/1/2 is surely better than 5/6/4...
XD
20 =/= 28
Yeah I ment to say 28 I am sorry
speaking of inefficiency, why do you talk so slowly?
Because this is quite a lot of Information XD but you can just make the video go on 1.25 speed and you'll be fine
At lest we can understand him so thats nice