Mine looked the same way at the second oil change. I think you have to remember that the oil is shared between the engine and transmission. So you are more likely to see “more” metal from all the gears wearing in as well as the engine components
Definitely, it is a critical thing to consider. The filtration system has certainly been designed with this added source of metal in mind. I have yet to finalize the analysis video since I’ve been injured but it is all green lights, truly a testament to the system’s design. I really appreciate the comment!
@@AlejandrosEngineeredLifestyle -;Motul 7100 series offers better shifts and smoother running engine. I've used Motorex in the past. Too expensive and no benefits.
I experienced the now dreaded premature camshaft lobe wear issue that a number of people have discovered upon doing the first valve check / adjustment at 18k miles for my 2019 790R Adventure. I am pretty sure this occurred because the cam lobe oil jet nozzle got plugged, most likely by a tiny piece of metal shaving. To unplug the oil jet it took a piece of electrical motor winding wire that is approximately the width of a human hair. Very long and sorted story in my case. I ultimately ended up replacing the engine with a 2020 790 Duke engine, which so far has taken me from Seattle to Cabo and back 6k miles.... And I agree, that quick shifter use is a possible, perhaps likely, source of metal shavings.
I also just experienced the camshaft lobe wear on my ‘20 890 Duke R. Checked the valves at 18k miles and three of the cam followers were also worn down. Now, I get to replace the camshafts and three followers which are on back order for 2 months :(
Oh damn… I’m going to have to check on this. Wow, I’m gonna look into this and maybe put together a video for all of us. Thanks for much for sharing guys!
@@AlejandrosEngineeredLifestyle That would be great as your videos are awesome. I can send you photos of my cams. I called around to local shops to see if any had the cam follower replacements and one shop said they have 8 on order because of an 890 adventure that blew its engine
I am a mechanic and do all of my vehicles maintence and repairs by my self. I always change my oil at arround 4k-5k miles and of course once a year. My local dealer said you should change oil more flrequently... I am paying 25€ per liter for motorex as the manual suggests and I service my bike in half the manual service mark of 10k miles yet, my exhaust cam is damaged at the first lobe. The strange thing is that mine was on its beginning and cam follower is damaged at the start of the ramp so all valve clearances are almost in spec
Recently performed an oil change on my 23 890R. Noticed you were using JASO MA motor oil and not MA2 as recommended in the manual ( at least in the 23). MA2 should provide a higher level of static and dynamic clutch friction which should reduce clutch slip and wear.
I am going to double check the service manual. I typically don’t deviate too far from what is recommended by the engineers designing the bike so it’d surprise me if I made that big of a mistake, I appreciate you pointing it out! I’m about to change the oil as well, so this is great timing to have seen this. Hope your season is going well 👌🏽
Good video mate, I'm just about to go buy the stuff to do the first oil change on mine and this was helpful. This is way different than my old baby ninja, that's for sure.
I appreciate you! It’d be amazing if you used the affiliate links to buy your supplies but your comments are even more appreciated. Let us know what you find during your change, it seems this is a pretty common occurrence. The oil is still at the lab but I’ll definitely post as soon as I get the results for everyone.
I own a 890 adventure (R). I did a oil change at 5000 km (KTM did one at the first service at 1000 km). I found a lot of metali slivers as you did. One thing : I did not use the quickshifter during the first 1000 km wich can explain that metal maybe from the gearbox...
Interesting, I think it’s just break in in general produces a non-trivial amount of shavings. I am working on the video of the results now and will likely put about an updated analysis thereafter if it interests the channel. I am taking advantage of polls to decide upcoming videos so definitely check the channel to vote. Looks like people want the code reader video with oil analysis in second right now for this upcoming week.
Sorry for the late response, Sir! That is an excellent suggestion, after documenting the result of this season’s oil usage I will do so to make sure mine are nice and shiny before putting the bike away. I hope your season is still going 🔥
raced KTM dirtbikes for years......they always had the magnetic drain plugs and same as you always had shavings on first and sometimes second oil change on new bikes.......brand new motor makes sense to have a few shavings from manufacturing and fact KTM supplies a magnet is even better.....all japanese bike i raced didnt have them so you never saw the shavings......overall i think its good KTM does this although the rider can be alarmed because he actually sees the shavings...... 2003 500sxf, 2004 250sxf, 2006 450sxf, 2007 250sx, 2008-2010 450 sxf/xcf......every single bike had shavings on first oil service......so for me i would expect to find same in any bike....street or dirt, its just an engine and doesnt know what its being used for is my thought process..... would rather see them and know they are out of the motor than japanese bikes where you dont know if they came out with oil change or ?........never had an issue on any of my race bikes but did switch to magnetic oil plug on japanese bikes i raced because of the KTM......
You speak truth friend! Early engine wear is definitely to blame here I just wanted to convey caution. The oil test came back perfectly clear as well, minimal metal of any type, video coming soon! I appreciate your input, sounds like we could definitely use someone of your experience in the community. I really appreciate the info and comment!
Just did my 2nd oil change as well at 2,000 miles and no metal that I could see, although I had less miles than yours! I also took a sample of oil to get tested so it’ll be interesting to compare the results.
Very interesting… most of us have had at least some. Did you use another magnet to try and pull particulate from the drain plug assembly? Also, did you replace your drain plug assemblies or reuse them? I’ve got results in hand and will be shooting a video breaking down the news here soon! Let me know when yours come in. Have you used Blackstone before?
@@AlejandrosEngineeredLifestyle Yeah your correct after I inspected with a separate magnet I pulled off some metal flakes and a couple very thin metal lashes but nothing that I could see in the screens. First time using Blackstone, how long did it take for them to give you your results? Also did you use both front and rear stands to check the oil level? I just have a rear stand and it shows a full sight glass but when I take the bike off the kickstand and sit on it the sight glass is a little over half full.
@@rustcohle6248 Sounds quite similar to what I found, I think ultimately that’s nothing to worry about. I will be shooting a video sharing my results tomorrow! From the forums and others here it sounds like that’s pretty typical engine wear. I’ve used Blackstone a couple times and they’ve really nailed it, it took them a couple weeks to get back to me. Yes, both stands really helped me nail the oil level. After the secondary screen replacement that I did for this video mine showed at 3/4 when level on both stands, the seated level should be an accurate representation as well.
Hey Alejandro 👋 I also had quite a bit of metal slivers just like yours on the screens the first time I changed my oil out on the 790. I had a 390 duke as well. That oil came out extremely metallic the first time along with gasket materials and other bits. It was pretty concerning when I saw it. Neither bikes have had much metallic flakes or sheen since though.
Thanks so much for your comment! That does put my mind more at ease. I love diy because you can really get to know an engine but without that history I was sitting here quite concerned. I am very curious to see what the actual analysis comes back with!
@@AlejandrosEngineeredLifestyle I was planning on doing mine after 5,000km (half the recommended interval) as any earlier seems like it may be a waste of good oil. I use Maxima Extra full synthetic 15W50 with good results. UOA shows it maintains it's viscosity - KTMs being known for shearing oil. Also Motorex and Motul :)
I'd not be overly concerned as appearss par for the course. I carried out 1st & 2nd oil changes on my 390 and was happy to see little trace of metallic material at 2nd change. I cleaned/reused filter screens.
Definitely par for the course! My first video coming back after this injury will be the results of the oil test and they were outstanding and wholly without concern. KTM did excellent work on the filtration systems it seems. I see a new 390 around my local and it’s awesome to see rip around! I changed mine out of sheer caution but I’m with you, in hindsight it didn’t really need it.
@@AlejandrosEngineeredLifestyle Like you say they've done a good job with addition of secondary filter screens. Looking forward to your next vid re oil analysis results.
I am curious to hear if your 790 or 890 is experiencing similar wear, sound off below. If you took it in for service has your KTM tech mentioned any metal shavings?
Well, at least the metal was caught by the filters. Where it should be. As I see it, this film would be much better without that background music. It's just annoying. It surprised me that you put the new filter in, before letting the old oil out. It probably doesn't matter, I'm just used to remove all filters, give it a nice clean and then put new filters on. But that's me. I only had my 790 for 3 weeks. 🙂 Cheers!
Cheers! Yeah, that’s the order your KTM owner’s manual recommends and that is alright due to the lack of oil circulation when the bike is off. I am due for another change here and will be sharing the results of a full summer season. Hope you enjoyed the 790 this fall! I just rode yesterday during a nice window here in CO.
@@johnDukemaster haha I’m also experiencing the snow and ice problem. I live here at the foot of the Rocky Mountains here in Colorado so it’s GREAT riding when the weather behaves. My last day riding was the 19th of December which wasn’t so bad, my record is the 23rd of December a couple years ago when I picked up Christmas presents on the bike lol.
Very clean tutorial of changing engine oil and have been following your videos and by your experience which engine oil performs better especially during hot summer MOTOREX or MOTUL 300V or MOTUL 7100 or AMSOIL or PUTOLINE...Thanks
I have noticed metal shavings in all new bikes and cars I have owned, although my 890R is yet to go through first service, still brand new. I'm glad I found your channel you seem to be right up my alley. Random question about the decat link pipe for the 890, is it true that this bike doesn't need a tune after removing the cat box? My dealer said no tune is needed on this bike.. Although I've been a bit skeptical, traditional knowledge has been, slip ons are fine without a tune but removing cats in any way (whether its a full system or mid pipe or what) means you need a tune definitely. (Or some kind of piggyback system). I'm guessing the ECU can handle adjusting AFR enough on its own? Anywho, love the content. Keep it up!
Hey thanks for the comment! Myself and many on the 790post forum would highly recommend against the replacement without tuning. First you’re just not going to get any real benefit besides noise out of it. At worst you can run even more lean as your bike is adjusting automatically and produce an enormous amount of heat that would stress many components. Considering KTM re-tunes themselves if you option the Akrapovik system I would highly recommend we all follow suit, not only for the added power but also to keep AFR and combustion temperatures lower. I have heard of many people changing the mid pipe, riding for a short period of time then convincing their dealer to install the Akra map which will unlock about 5 HP in the midrange which could be a great way to go if you don’t want to look to aftermarket sources, alternatively you could pick up a couple more horses with a number of other tuning options which I’ll be talking about soon in an upcoming video! Thanks again for the comment and welcome!!
890 oil changed at 500(first service) then at 2000, no metal shaving at all to the point it's too clean. My annual mileage is only approx.3000 so 1 year 3000miles oil change seems frequent enough for me so far
Wow! You seem to be the minority then. Sounds like the tolerances were great on your engine 👌🏽 Very nice though, I appreciate the comment and I know others will find your experience informative!
I hear a lot of people talk about ktm oil changes, however I don't hear how ktm have strainers and others don't. A closed filter would have the same fragments in it but hidden
Yeah it is a good point. It would really just depend on your oil distribution, CFD analysis is used to shape the pan/channels/piston underside for circulation but there are always area of retention where metal can hide in various situations. I think the screen and magnet solution is pretty inspired, have you owned any other bikes with a similar setup? Also, I saved the filter and plan to open it up to investigate further when the oil results come in.
@@AlejandrosEngineeredLifestyle I have had quite a few ktms, and have had some various Japanese brands. I prefer ktm setups however the 690 is just ridiculous. I have opened twist on filters and have found loads of fragments. In my experience if you open a twist on and compare all of the contents from a ktm filter kit you will get about the same particles and ppm in oil analysis. I think strainers and magnets are more efficient then one filter too.
It just makes you feel better when they’re hidden well right 😂 I am excited to get the analysis back. Overall with yours, and all the other feedback here, my initial concerns have subsided but I have to admit when I saw that I actually stopped work for the day and had to go chill to not be upset lol. I appreciate your input and comments very much!
@@AlejandrosEngineeredLifestyle Your first oil analysis is not going to be very good I promise that you'll probably have a really high aluminum count as well. Don't stress on it and wait until about 3000 miles in retest if your curious and compare the two
Heard! Yeah I am excited to create a record for reference. I wonder the efficiency of the filtration, if the ppm comes back low that will be a good sign of a well designed system but at the same time will be kind of shocking considering what I pulled from the magnets lol. I’m not expecting much!
Interesting to do it yourself. I'm pretty mechanically inebriated... I just got a decat pipe, went to attach that but there's a bolt under the kickstand that I need to take, and I don't have any stands. Might have to invest in a couple now...
I’d say definitely worth it. Most jobs start on stands, even stuff as simple as chain tensioning/cleaning. I’m willing to bet KTM’s techs are also aware of early engine break-in and the resulting metal but not many people are doing their oil and writing about it in the forums comparatively. I have more maintenance and decat tutorials on the way, let me know if anything in particular will help you! 👌🏽 I just have the cycle gear trackside stands and have no complaints thus far if you’d be so kind as to consider using the link!
i have a 2021 890 duke and i'm not seeing any metal on my magnets. going to keep a close eye on it, i know there have been issues with cams, and the quickshifter. sending an oil sample to the lab might not be a bad idea.
How many miles you working with? Did you buy yours new or after a couple oil changes? I’ll be sending another sample in soon and will be posting again and of course sharing the results when the come back.
Would you recommend doing the 1st oil change early? The bike hasn’t hit 600 miles yet(only 300) but I’m already putting it away for the winter and the oil is almost a year old. Thanks
Hey 890R, nice profile name 🔥 I would change it before storage given the oil age and the owner’s manual recommendation. But I’d also inquire with your authorized dealer to ensure that your warranty is maintained if you do so, or if you need to have them do it. Definitely want to preserve your warranty if still applicable! Thanks for the comment!
I replace the screens on the follow up service and the o rings on the first as they come in the package. I believe it’s recommended to change both each time as it all comes in service kit I buy.
Just changed my 2022 model 890 adventure it had very fine metal on the magnets but there wasn’t much took the paper filter apart and have a few small pieces of aluminum in it I see people filling the oil filter with oil just looked at my service manual for 2022 it says nothing about filling the new filter.
Correct, that step is omitted from the owners manual. In reality, the filter will have oil pass through immediately regardless but people have their preferences. If the engineers who manufactured the engine don’t list it as critical I assure you it is not as some might say. I saved my filter and was hoping to take it apart as well as a continuation of this series. Thanks for the comment! I’m laying out the content plan for the summer, I’ll be sure to include filter deconstruction on there.
Nice! Yeah I’d ride to work so I could ride in the foothills after and that was only over the fall months since I’d just bought it! Unfortunately, due to my injury I’ve not been on it since December but I hope to have another good fall. Hope you enjoyed the hell out of it over summer!
@@AlejandrosEngineeredLifestyle I tried but had surgery in the beginning of the year. So I stopped riding for now. On your video it doesn't say how to turn off the service light. How do that?
Ahhh damn, sounds like we’re in similar boats. I’m in PT for my surgery now and I hope to be better while the weather is still holding. It’s actually the very next video that’s linked to this one. If you take a look at my channel it’s the very next one!
@@AlejandrosEngineeredLifestyle yeah its bad, I live in wisconsin so we don't get much riding time up here as it is. Hopefully next year will be better for you too
I had exactly the same amount of metal on my 890r oil screen magnets at about 1,800 miles on the bike. What’s going on, are our ktm 890r’s supposed to be like that? This was it’s 2nd oil change. The dealer did the first one after the break-in period.
Yeah, I am curious to hear from someone who has done the first oil change! I bet there was a significant amount of metal therein but I'm sure they don't mention it because that kind of break-in wear is pretty typical, even of modern engines! Tight tolerances and assembly are definitely the two factors that make for these metal shavings, as time goes on it sounds like we'll see less as less as you'd expect. I am thankful for a triple oil filtration system, filter, drain plug screens, and magnets. It's pretty clear that the KTM engineers has accounted for particulate mitigation in their design. I would be far more worried it if was just the oil filter and a drain plug! It's always good to hear from you!
Just seems par for the course after talking with everyone 🙃 I definitely did not expect that but am overall feeling better. Initially I thought my bike was just a lemon!
seems way to much metal came loose but old KTM will tell you thats all normal but i dont believe KTM mine is getting antifreeze in the oil and they say its fine and dont want to fix it.
lol… all manufacturers will tell you all is well. I got what I deserved for tuning the 335xi so that’s fine. I just love tinkering and monitoring the results though. This is quite the expensive hobby but the first time you tune and feel the difference you’re completely hooked.
Any theories as to where the larger fragments are coming from? I can see the transmission producing the finer particles, the eyelash pieces seem like an odd item but I've seen them from other bikes as well.
I’ll look into it further before I speculating, perhaps include what I find in the oil analysis video. I’m with you though, I thought transmission first.
They’re usually from the transmission. I didn’t do the 600 mile oil change (dealer did that one), but I did change the oil at 3k miles and it had a lot of metal shavings. Either the dealer didn’t clean it or I still had trash or producing trash in the motor I did blow everything out with compressed air which removed all of it. Now my both of my rc8’s have 20k miles each. And there barely any trash if any on the magnet or screen.
Same question I had. In any event, I remove them all and let everything drain well on my 890R. I've always done this on every bike I've owned. So far, so good!
@@portaltwo Yes, you should remove all before putting the clean filter in. I even waste a little by pouring some in to flush the bottom out better. Maybe 50ml or so, and let it drain for a few minutes.
The other day I helped my friend service his 2018 KTM Duke 390, 25 000 km on the clock and his filters also had alot of metal shavings im also quite curious as wat it is. I'm planning on servicing my 790 Duke, I'll have a look if i got shaving in my Duke.
Hmmm, that is kind of surprising still after so many miles. I thought perhaps it would taper off after break in… we shall see, I will post a video about the oil analysis!
@@JellyBeak That’s the way to do it! I got mine used too. You won’t regret the track pack. The quick shift can be finicky but I just shot a chain tension adjustment video yesterday that helps a lot
Sorry for the confusion, I see your point. I've inferred that changing yourself would make you aware of the metal shavings and wear of your engine as opposed to someone who will just replace the components and tell you to go back on your merry way none-the-wiser. I will think of an improved title, thanks for your feedback!
🎯 Key Takeaways for quick navigation: 00:00 🛠️ Introduction and Importance of DIY Oil Change 01:06 🧪 Using Blackstone Laboratories Oil Analysis Kit 01:29 🔄 Replacing the Oil Filter 02:27 🧲 Examining Metal Particulates in Drain Bolts 03:36 🔍 Cleaning Metal Shavings from Drain Plug Assembly 04:18 🛢️ Reinstalling Drain Plugs and Torquing 04:55 ⛽ Refilling Oil and Checking Oil Level 05:36 🔍 Inspection of Reused Drain Plug Assemblies 06:04 📅 Conclusion and Future Updates Made with HARPA AI
Thank you for making such excellent videos. They are so helpful. I've had a lot of problems with my 790, so your videos help me out a lot. Thanks!@@AlejandrosEngineeredLifestyle
What ever came of the oil samples? I just did an oil change for this season and I had quite a bit of those eyelash size shavings. All the sameish size… not sure where they came from
Hey Noah, life took a turn for me and I’ve been trying to bounce back. Overall sample results were very positive and I’ve been working on my plan to regularly post here on the channel again. Word of the wise don’t ever rupture and Achilles tendon, it takes FOREVER to heal! I look forward to putting out informative work here soon. I hope you’re having a great start to the riding season!
Hi Alejandro! I have a Ktm Duke 890 and it just had its first service, after 80 miles it started to sound strange (like intermittent screeches) when I low revs, if I hit gas it sounded normal but the moment I take off the gas and low revs start again… Do you have any idea what it could be? should i take it to warranty?
Hey J N, sorry to miss your comment I was on vacation. Are the screeches rhythmic? I know for a fact a chain will be noisier if it’s under the wrong tension. I have videos coming explaining how to check and adjust this. Incorrect tension will not only sound bad but will also make the quick shift act improperly and may lead to premature chain wear. Thanks for the comment, keep us updated if you learn anything!
Hi there, so the two filter assemblies can in fact be reused if you’re careful not to crush the mesh and there is little to no metal flakes on the mesh or magnets. From what others are telling me as the engine wears in further the should be more feasible although I didn’t want to take any chances given it’s the first oil change out of warranty for me! Let me know if you’ve got any other questions. Thanks for the comment!
Well I don’t want to make assumptions, but I’ve literally found no direct answer, within the manual or on any forums.. but the oil filters/screens are the same as the 790..? I own a 2022 Duke r, I don’t think anything has changed.. does anyone know for sure before I buy parts?
My apologies for not seeing this, Daniel! Yes, I can confirm with confidence the kit: 00050000068, is standard across nearly every modern LC8 KTM engine. Go ahead and copy that serial number and a web search should confirm this!
@@AlejandrosEngineeredLifestyle No worries brother, I appreciate your reply in general and thanks for the insight. I figured it would be the same, but you never know now days. And with how fast and rapidly designs and technologies change.
Hey thanks for checking out the video! This was just before I got injured so I have yet to process that footage but I will put it to the top of the queue for you
Video is still coming since I’ve been in recovery from a torn Achilles. The results were clear though, it looks like the system of filters is perfectly efficient 👌🏽
Watch out or KTM will void your warranty on cheese cams , if you do it yourself, sounds like they never pay out anyway , just put it back on the customer.
Haha sorry man, I like it because it’s hard not to find your own voice annoying when you record videos so the music was my answer. Hope you’re enjoying the riding season man 🔥
One big problem in modern bikes is the abuse of the quickshifter, most shavings tend to come from the gearbox and not from the engine itself.
Yea I'm not buying that shit. the only thing I might pickup is the cruise control...maybe.
Bollocks , all the videos are of cams , which have pressed onto shafts instead of making them a single billet .. No to this KTM bot.
Mine looked the same way at the second oil change. I think you have to remember that the oil is shared between the engine and transmission. So you are more likely to see “more” metal from all the gears wearing in as well as the engine components
Definitely, it is a critical thing to consider. The filtration system has certainly been designed with this added source of metal in mind. I have yet to finalize the analysis video since I’ve been injured but it is all green lights, truly a testament to the system’s design. I really appreciate the comment!
@@AlejandrosEngineeredLifestyle -;Motul 7100 series offers better shifts and smoother running engine.
I've used Motorex in the past. Too expensive and no benefits.
I experienced the now dreaded premature camshaft lobe wear issue that a number of people have discovered upon doing the first valve check / adjustment at 18k miles for my 2019 790R Adventure. I am pretty sure this occurred because the cam lobe oil jet nozzle got plugged, most likely by a tiny piece of metal shaving. To unplug the oil jet it took a piece of electrical motor winding wire that is approximately the width of a human hair. Very long and sorted story in my case. I ultimately ended up replacing the engine with a 2020 790 Duke engine, which so far has taken me from Seattle to Cabo and back 6k miles.... And I agree, that quick shifter use is a possible, perhaps likely, source of metal shavings.
I also just experienced the camshaft lobe wear on my ‘20 890 Duke R. Checked the valves at 18k miles and three of the cam followers were also worn down. Now, I get to replace the camshafts and three followers which are on back order for 2 months :(
Me too guys... What the heck with this engine 😢😢😢
Oh damn… I’m going to have to check on this. Wow, I’m gonna look into this and maybe put together a video for all of us. Thanks for much for sharing guys!
@@AlejandrosEngineeredLifestyle That would be great as your videos are awesome. I can send you photos of my cams. I called around to local shops to see if any had the cam follower replacements and one shop said they have 8 on order because of an 890 adventure that blew its engine
I am a mechanic and do all of my vehicles maintence and repairs by my self. I always change my oil at arround 4k-5k miles and of course once a year. My local dealer said you should change oil more flrequently... I am paying 25€ per liter for motorex as the manual suggests and I service my bike in half the manual service mark of 10k miles yet, my exhaust cam is damaged at the first lobe. The strange thing is that mine was on its beginning and cam follower is damaged at the start of the ramp so all valve clearances are almost in spec
Recently performed an oil change on my 23 890R. Noticed you were using JASO MA motor oil and not MA2 as recommended in the manual ( at least in the 23). MA2 should provide a higher level of static and dynamic clutch friction which should reduce clutch slip and wear.
I am going to double check the service manual. I typically don’t deviate too far from what is recommended by the engineers designing the bike so it’d surprise me if I made that big of a mistake, I appreciate you pointing it out! I’m about to change the oil as well, so this is great timing to have seen this. Hope your season is going well 👌🏽
Good video mate, I'm just about to go buy the stuff to do the first oil change on mine and this was helpful. This is way different than my old baby ninja, that's for sure.
I appreciate you! It’d be amazing if you used the affiliate links to buy your supplies but your comments are even more appreciated. Let us know what you find during your change, it seems this is a pretty common occurrence. The oil is still at the lab but I’ll definitely post as soon as I get the results for everyone.
I own a 890 adventure (R). I did a oil change at 5000 km (KTM did one at the first service at 1000 km). I found a lot of metali slivers as you did. One thing : I did not use the quickshifter during the first 1000 km wich can explain that metal maybe from the gearbox...
Interesting, I think it’s just break in in general produces a non-trivial amount of shavings. I am working on the video of the results now and will likely put about an updated analysis thereafter if it interests the channel. I am taking advantage of polls to decide upcoming videos so definitely check the channel to vote. Looks like people want the code reader video with oil analysis in second right now for this upcoming week.
Those magnets clean off REALLY easy with an air hose. Of course it's a bit difficult to catch all the pieces but its the quick easy way.
Sorry for the late response, Sir! That is an excellent suggestion, after documenting the result of this season’s oil usage I will do so to make sure mine are nice and shiny before putting the bike away. I hope your season is still going 🔥
How often to replace the screens?
raced KTM dirtbikes for years......they always had the magnetic drain plugs and same as you always had shavings on first and sometimes second oil change on new bikes.......brand new motor makes sense to have a few shavings from manufacturing and fact KTM supplies a magnet is even better.....all japanese bike i raced didnt have them so you never saw the shavings......overall i think its good KTM does this although the rider can be alarmed because he actually sees the shavings......
2003 500sxf, 2004 250sxf, 2006 450sxf, 2007 250sx, 2008-2010 450 sxf/xcf......every single bike had shavings on first oil service......so for me i would expect to find same in any bike....street or dirt, its just an engine and doesnt know what its being used for is my thought process.....
would rather see them and know they are out of the motor than japanese bikes where you dont know if they came out with oil change or ?........never had an issue on any of my race bikes but did switch to magnetic oil plug on japanese bikes i raced because of the KTM......
You speak truth friend! Early engine wear is definitely to blame here I just wanted to convey caution. The oil test came back perfectly clear as well, minimal metal of any type, video coming soon! I appreciate your input, sounds like we could definitely use someone of your experience in the community. I really appreciate the info and comment!
Just did my 2nd oil change as well at 2,000 miles and no metal that I could see, although I had less miles than yours! I also took a sample of oil to get tested so it’ll be interesting to compare the results.
Very interesting… most of us have had at least some. Did you use another magnet to try and pull particulate from the drain plug assembly? Also, did you replace your drain plug assemblies or reuse them? I’ve got results in hand and will be shooting a video breaking down the news here soon! Let me know when yours come in. Have you used Blackstone before?
@@AlejandrosEngineeredLifestyle Yeah your correct after I inspected with a separate magnet I pulled off some metal flakes and a couple very thin metal lashes but nothing that I could see in the screens. First time using Blackstone, how long did it take for them to give you your results? Also did you use both front and rear stands to check the oil level? I just have a rear stand and it shows a full sight glass but when I take the bike off the kickstand and sit on it the sight glass is a little over half full.
@@rustcohle6248 Sounds quite similar to what I found, I think ultimately that’s nothing to worry about. I will be shooting a video sharing my results tomorrow! From the forums and others here it sounds like that’s pretty typical engine wear. I’ve used Blackstone a couple times and they’ve really nailed it, it took them a couple weeks to get back to me. Yes, both stands really helped me nail the oil level. After the secondary screen replacement that I did for this video mine showed at 3/4 when level on both stands, the seated level should be an accurate representation as well.
Hey Alejandro 👋 I also had quite a bit of metal slivers just like yours on the screens the first time I changed my oil out on the 790. I had a 390 duke as well. That oil came out extremely metallic the first time along with gasket materials and other bits. It was pretty concerning when I saw it. Neither bikes have had much metallic flakes or sheen since though.
Thanks so much for your comment! That does put my mind more at ease. I love diy because you can really get to know an engine but without that history I was sitting here quite concerned. I am very curious to see what the actual analysis comes back with!
@@AlejandrosEngineeredLifestyle me too. I'm curious to see the results!
Yes, mine looked much the same at 2,000km (got the bike used at this mileage). How often are you changing your oil?
Hey thanks so much for the comments! I was planning on changing at 4800. How about you?
@@AlejandrosEngineeredLifestyle I was planning on doing mine after 5,000km (half the recommended interval) as any earlier seems like it may be a waste of good oil. I use Maxima Extra full synthetic 15W50 with good results. UOA shows it maintains it's viscosity - KTMs being known for shearing oil. Also Motorex and Motul :)
I'd not be overly concerned as appearss par for the course. I carried out 1st & 2nd oil changes on my 390 and was happy to see little trace of metallic material at 2nd change. I cleaned/reused filter screens.
Definitely par for the course! My first video coming back after this injury will be the results of the oil test and they were outstanding and wholly without concern. KTM did excellent work on the filtration systems it seems. I see a new 390 around my local and it’s awesome to see rip around! I changed mine out of sheer caution but I’m with you, in hindsight it didn’t really need it.
@@AlejandrosEngineeredLifestyle Like you say they've done a good job with addition of secondary filter screens.
Looking forward to your next vid re oil analysis results.
I am curious to hear if your 790 or 890 is experiencing similar wear, sound off below. If you took it in for service has your KTM tech mentioned any metal shavings?
My cams failed at 31,000, plenty of shavings, rubbish engines
Well, at least the metal was caught by the filters. Where it should be.
As I see it, this film would be much better without that background music. It's just annoying.
It surprised me that you put the new filter in, before letting the old oil out. It probably doesn't matter, I'm just used to remove all filters, give it a nice clean and then put new filters on.
But that's me. I only had my 790 for 3 weeks. 🙂
Cheers!
Cheers! Yeah, that’s the order your KTM owner’s manual recommends and that is alright due to the lack of oil circulation when the bike is off. I am due for another change here and will be sharing the results of a full summer season. Hope you enjoyed the 790 this fall! I just rode yesterday during a nice window here in CO.
@@AlejandrosEngineeredLifestyle Well, I haven't been able to ride as much as I want to, due to snow and ice. Really cold autumn.
What/where is CO? 🙂
@@johnDukemaster haha I’m also experiencing the snow and ice problem. I live here at the foot of the Rocky Mountains here in Colorado so it’s GREAT riding when the weather behaves. My last day riding was the 19th of December which wasn’t so bad, my record is the 23rd of December a couple years ago when I picked up Christmas presents on the bike lol.
@@AlejandrosEngineeredLifestyle Yes, strange feeling to ride and look at Christmas decorations! Happy new year!
Very clean tutorial of changing engine oil and have been following your videos and by your experience which engine oil performs better especially during hot summer MOTOREX or MOTUL 300V or MOTUL 7100 or AMSOIL or PUTOLINE...Thanks
Wow, two drain bolts!!! I've never seen that on any vehicle in my life. I get it dealer serviced.
It was a first for me as well but I have great news to share regarding this filtration system in an upcoming video!
i thought i read the 890 has 2 oil pumps
@@marktrosper2481 Yes, just confirmed it in OM, page 277. This bike keeps surprising me.
I have noticed metal shavings in all new bikes and cars I have owned, although my 890R is yet to go through first service, still brand new. I'm glad I found your channel you seem to be right up my alley. Random question about the decat link pipe for the 890, is it true that this bike doesn't need a tune after removing the cat box? My dealer said no tune is needed on this bike.. Although I've been a bit skeptical, traditional knowledge has been, slip ons are fine without a tune but removing cats in any way (whether its a full system or mid pipe or what) means you need a tune definitely. (Or some kind of piggyback system). I'm guessing the ECU can handle adjusting AFR enough on its own?
Anywho, love the content. Keep it up!
Hey thanks for the comment! Myself and many on the 790post forum would highly recommend against the replacement without tuning. First you’re just not going to get any real benefit besides noise out of it. At worst you can run even more lean as your bike is adjusting automatically and produce an enormous amount of heat that would stress many components. Considering KTM re-tunes themselves if you option the Akrapovik system I would highly recommend we all follow suit, not only for the added power but also to keep AFR and combustion temperatures lower. I have heard of many people changing the mid pipe, riding for a short period of time then convincing their dealer to install the Akra map which will unlock about 5 HP in the midrange which could be a great way to go if you don’t want to look to aftermarket sources, alternatively you could pick up a couple more horses with a number of other tuning options which I’ll be talking about soon in an upcoming video! Thanks again for the comment and welcome!!
BTW congrats on the new purchase… this bike is absolutely epic fun! No matter what route you go you’re going to love it
890 oil changed at 500(first service) then at 2000, no metal shaving at all to the point it's too clean. My annual mileage is only approx.3000 so 1 year 3000miles oil change seems frequent enough for me so far
Wow! You seem to be the minority then. Sounds like the tolerances were great on your engine 👌🏽 Very nice though, I appreciate the comment and I know others will find your experience informative!
I hear a lot of people talk about ktm oil changes, however I don't hear how ktm have strainers and others don't. A closed filter would have the same fragments in it but hidden
Yeah it is a good point. It would really just depend on your oil distribution, CFD analysis is used to shape the pan/channels/piston underside for circulation but there are always area of retention where metal can hide in various situations. I think the screen and magnet solution is pretty inspired, have you owned any other bikes with a similar setup? Also, I saved the filter and plan to open it up to investigate further when the oil results come in.
@@AlejandrosEngineeredLifestyle I have had quite a few ktms, and have had some various Japanese brands. I prefer ktm setups however the 690 is just ridiculous. I have opened twist on filters and have found loads of fragments. In my experience if you open a twist on and compare all of the contents from a ktm filter kit you will get about the same particles and ppm in oil analysis. I think strainers and magnets are more efficient then one filter too.
It just makes you feel better when they’re hidden well right 😂 I am excited to get the analysis back. Overall with yours, and all the other feedback here, my initial concerns have subsided but I have to admit when I saw that I actually stopped work for the day and had to go chill to not be upset lol. I appreciate your input and comments very much!
@@AlejandrosEngineeredLifestyle Your first oil analysis is not going to be very good I promise that you'll probably have a really high aluminum count as well. Don't stress on it and wait until about 3000 miles in retest if your curious and compare the two
Heard! Yeah I am excited to create a record for reference. I wonder the efficiency of the filtration, if the ppm comes back low that will be a good sign of a well designed system but at the same time will be kind of shocking considering what I pulled from the magnets lol. I’m not expecting much!
Interesting to do it yourself. I'm pretty mechanically inebriated...
I just got a decat pipe, went to attach that but there's a bolt under the kickstand that I need to take, and I don't have any stands. Might have to invest in a couple now...
I’d say definitely worth it. Most jobs start on stands, even stuff as simple as chain tensioning/cleaning. I’m willing to bet KTM’s techs are also aware of early engine break-in and the resulting metal but not many people are doing their oil and writing about it in the forums comparatively. I have more maintenance and decat tutorials on the way, let me know if anything in particular will help you! 👌🏽 I just have the cycle gear trackside stands and have no complaints thus far if you’d be so kind as to consider using the link!
Looks like stands are on sale right now as well sovrn.co/1he59f1
@@AlejandrosEngineeredLifestyle I'm in Australia, shipping would be murder ;)
@@i_am_rolkus right you are 😂 still amazes me to hear how far these videos reach. I appreciate you
i have a 2021 890 duke and i'm not seeing any metal on my magnets. going to keep a close eye on it, i know there have been issues with cams, and the quickshifter. sending an oil sample to the lab might not be a bad idea.
How many miles you working with? Did you buy yours new or after a couple oil changes? I’ll be sending another sample in soon and will be posting again and of course sharing the results when the come back.
Would you recommend doing the 1st oil change early? The bike hasn’t hit 600 miles yet(only 300) but I’m already putting it away for the winter and the oil is almost a year old. Thanks
Hey 890R, nice profile name 🔥 I would change it before storage given the oil age and the owner’s manual recommendation. But I’d also inquire with your authorized dealer to ensure that your warranty is maintained if you do so, or if you need to have them do it. Definitely want to preserve your warranty if still applicable! Thanks for the comment!
no new screen/plug o-rings needed?
I replace the screens on the follow up service and the o rings on the first as they come in the package. I believe it’s recommended to change both each time as it all comes in service kit I buy.
Just changed my 2022 model 890 adventure it had very fine metal on the magnets but there wasn’t much took the paper filter apart and have a few small pieces of aluminum in it I see people filling the oil filter with oil just looked at my service manual for 2022 it says nothing about filling the new filter.
Correct, that step is omitted from the owners manual. In reality, the filter will have oil pass through immediately regardless but people have their preferences. If the engineers who manufactured the engine don’t list it as critical I assure you it is not as some might say. I saved my filter and was hoping to take it apart as well as a continuation of this series. Thanks for the comment! I’m laying out the content plan for the summer, I’ll be sure to include filter deconstruction on there.
Damn 4k miles in a year. Bought mine new in March of 21 and have only 1k miles. I'm doing my 2nd oil change now before I put it away for winter
Nice! Yeah I’d ride to work so I could ride in the foothills after and that was only over the fall months since I’d just bought it! Unfortunately, due to my injury I’ve not been on it since December but I hope to have another good fall. Hope you enjoyed the hell out of it over summer!
@@AlejandrosEngineeredLifestyle I tried but had surgery in the beginning of the year. So I stopped riding for now. On your video it doesn't say how to turn off the service light. How do that?
Ahhh damn, sounds like we’re in similar boats. I’m in PT for my surgery now and I hope to be better while the weather is still holding. It’s actually the very next video that’s linked to this one. If you take a look at my channel it’s the very next one!
@@AlejandrosEngineeredLifestyle yeah its bad, I live in wisconsin so we don't get much riding time up here as it is. Hopefully next year will be better for you too
I had exactly the same amount of metal on my 890r oil screen magnets at about 1,800 miles on the bike. What’s going on, are our ktm 890r’s supposed to be like that? This was it’s 2nd oil change. The dealer did the first one after the break-in period.
Yeah, I am curious to hear from someone who has done the first oil change! I bet there was a significant amount of metal therein but I'm sure they don't mention it because that kind of break-in wear is pretty typical, even of modern engines! Tight tolerances and assembly are definitely the two factors that make for these metal shavings, as time goes on it sounds like we'll see less as less as you'd expect. I am thankful for a triple oil filtration system, filter, drain plug screens, and magnets. It's pretty clear that the KTM engineers has accounted for particulate mitigation in their design. I would be far more worried it if was just the oil filter and a drain plug! It's always good to hear from you!
Mine also at 2000km. 2nd oil change.
Just seems par for the course after talking with everyone 🙃 I definitely did not expect that but am overall feeling better. Initially I thought my bike was just a lemon!
seems way to much metal came loose but old KTM will tell you thats all normal but i dont believe KTM mine is getting antifreeze in the oil and they say its fine and dont want to fix it.
lol… all manufacturers will tell you all is well. I got what I deserved for tuning the 335xi so that’s fine. I just love tinkering and monitoring the results though. This is quite the expensive hobby but the first time you tune and feel the difference you’re completely hooked.
Any theories as to where the larger fragments are coming from? I can see the transmission producing the finer particles, the eyelash pieces seem like an odd item but I've seen them from other bikes as well.
I’ll look into it further before I speculating, perhaps include what I find in the oil analysis video. I’m with you though, I thought transmission first.
They’re usually from the transmission. I didn’t do the 600 mile oil change (dealer did that one), but I did change the oil at 3k miles and it had a lot of metal shavings. Either the dealer didn’t clean it or I still had trash or producing trash in the motor I did blow everything out with compressed air which removed all of it.
Now my both of my rc8’s have 20k miles each. And there barely any trash if any on the magnet or screen.
Where did you blow it?
@@duc7686 Sorry but how did you blow things out? Can you explain it? Thanks,
@@frankpusch4616 blew the trash out of the screen and off the magnet using compressed air.
The owner's manual has you remove all three ports to drain. Why do you put the clean filter in before removing the oil screen bolts?
Same question I had. In any event, I remove them all and let everything drain well on my 890R. I've always done this on every bike I've owned. So far, so good!
@@portaltwo Yes, you should remove all before putting the clean filter in. I even waste a little by pouring some in to flush the bottom out better. Maybe 50ml or so, and let it drain for a few minutes.
The other day I helped my friend service his 2018 KTM Duke 390, 25 000 km on the clock and his filters also had alot of metal shavings im also quite curious as wat it is.
I'm planning on servicing my 790 Duke, I'll have a look if i got shaving in my Duke.
Hmmm, that is kind of surprising still after so many miles. I thought perhaps it would taper off after break in… we shall see, I will post a video about the oil analysis!
This is normal on KTM 🙂
Just bought an 890. Keep us updated on what you figure out! Seemingly this is a common problem?
Certainly common, congrats on the purchase! Got several more 890 relevant videos in the works. Did you option any power parts?
@@AlejandrosEngineeredLifestyle I bought it used at a steal of a deal. It has the QS, but I’ll probably add the track pack
@@JellyBeak That’s the way to do it! I got mine used too. You won’t regret the track pack. The quick shift can be finicky but I just shot a chain tension adjustment video yesterday that helps a lot
Title of the video "Why You Need to Do it Yourself" video does not talk about that at all.
Sorry for the confusion, I see your point. I've inferred that changing yourself would make you aware of the metal shavings and wear of your engine as opposed to someone who will just replace the components and tell you to go back on your merry way none-the-wiser. I will think of an improved title, thanks for your feedback!
hello, do you cover the screw threads from the oil filter cover with loctide glue ?
Hey there, no the manual does not recommend any application of Loctite and I’ve experience zero leakage without. I hope the video helped, cheers!
🎯 Key Takeaways for quick navigation:
00:00 🛠️ Introduction and Importance of DIY Oil Change
01:06 🧪 Using Blackstone Laboratories Oil Analysis Kit
01:29 🔄 Replacing the Oil Filter
02:27 🧲 Examining Metal Particulates in Drain Bolts
03:36 🔍 Cleaning Metal Shavings from Drain Plug Assembly
04:18 🛢️ Reinstalling Drain Plugs and Torquing
04:55 ⛽ Refilling Oil and Checking Oil Level
05:36 🔍 Inspection of Reused Drain Plug Assemblies
06:04 📅 Conclusion and Future Updates
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Thank you for making such excellent videos. They are so helpful. I've had a lot of problems with my 790, so your videos help me out a lot. Thanks!@@AlejandrosEngineeredLifestyle
What ever came of the oil samples? I just did an oil change for this season and I had quite a bit of those eyelash size shavings. All the sameish size… not sure where they came from
Hey Noah, life took a turn for me and I’ve been trying to bounce back. Overall sample results were very positive and I’ve been working on my plan to regularly post here on the channel again. Word of the wise don’t ever rupture and Achilles tendon, it takes FOREVER to heal! I look forward to putting out informative work here soon. I hope you’re having a great start to the riding season!
@@AlejandrosEngineeredLifestyle such a bummer about your tendon… I’d be going crazy for sure. Thanks for the reply
Hi Alejandro! I have a Ktm Duke 890 and it just had its first service, after 80 miles it started to sound strange (like intermittent screeches) when I low revs, if I hit gas it sounded normal but the moment I take off the gas and low revs start again… Do you have any idea what it could be? should i take it to warranty?
Hey J N, sorry to miss your comment I was on vacation. Are the screeches rhythmic? I know for a fact a chain will be noisier if it’s under the wrong tension. I have videos coming explaining how to check and adjust this. Incorrect tension will not only sound bad but will also make the quick shift act improperly and may lead to premature chain wear. Thanks for the comment, keep us updated if you learn anything!
@Alejandro hey do you need to replace the drain plug filters each change?
Hi there, so the two filter assemblies can in fact be reused if you’re careful not to crush the mesh and there is little to no metal flakes on the mesh or magnets. From what others are telling me as the engine wears in further the should be more feasible although I didn’t want to take any chances given it’s the first oil change out of warranty for me! Let me know if you’ve got any other questions. Thanks for the comment!
Well I don’t want to make assumptions, but I’ve literally found no direct answer, within the manual or on any forums.. but the oil filters/screens are the same as the 790..? I own a 2022 Duke r, I don’t think anything has changed.. does anyone know for sure before I buy parts?
My apologies for not seeing this, Daniel! Yes, I can confirm with confidence the kit: 00050000068, is standard across nearly every modern LC8 KTM engine. Go ahead and copy that serial number and a web search should confirm this!
@@AlejandrosEngineeredLifestyle No worries brother, I appreciate your reply in general and thanks for the insight. I figured it would be the same, but you never know now days. And with how fast and rapidly designs and technologies change.
I cannot find the links that you put up for the oil/filters can you please postem on this comment
Can someone please post a link to the oil analysis video? (I can't find it.)
Hey thanks for checking out the video! This was just before I got injured so I have yet to process that footage but I will put it to the top of the queue for you
@@AlejandrosEngineeredLifestyle Thank You!
Where can I find xour results?
Thx
Video is still coming since I’ve been in recovery from a torn Achilles. The results were clear though, it looks like the system of filters is perfectly efficient 👌🏽
Watch out or KTM will void your warranty on cheese cams , if you do it yourself,
sounds like they never pay out anyway , just put it back on the customer.
Thank’s. Would skip the annoing Music.
Haha sorry man, I like it because it’s hard not to find your own voice annoying when you record videos so the music was my answer. Hope you’re enjoying the riding season man 🔥
Cam failure
bad audio
Absolutely terrible